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Darren Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:48 pm
Beautiful trade - I must start looking more at the hourly charts for setups!
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immy Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:50 pm
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Beautiful trade - I must start looking more at the hourly charts for setups!
I might be making it compulsory for new traders to start off H1's. I have enough evidence to support this decision but just not ready yet. too busy.
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immy Post subject: THE BUD! Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:01 pm
The Seed and The Seed Bud Entries

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Every now and then, we see a Seed its followed by a candle formation that I choose to call The Bud. You know, like a Bud that forms in plants that
shoot into a new development and also its like the Seeds little buddy that forms immediately after a seed. In most cases its formation is similar to a
small Pin Bar or a BDC. Its actually a failed/fake breakout of seed. Here are some examples in pictures. These are my favourite formations that can
be taken in the direction of the Trend i.e. Gator.
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How to Trade the Bud
Bullish Bud: Put SL below the Low of The Bullish BUD below the Tail and since the high of the Seed is not broken yet put Pending order Long above
the high of the seed.
Bearish Bud: Pul SL Above the Hgh of the Bearish BUD above the tail and since the low of the Seed is not broken yet put Pending Order Short below
the low of the Seed.
Bullish Outside Bud: Put SL below the tail/low and PO above the high of the Bud.
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Bearish Outside Bud: Put SL Above the tail/low and PO below the low of the Bud. (Both and High and Low of Seed have been broken so take the bud
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Any Questions... please feel free to comment/ask by replying to the post here.
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francisrama Post subject: Re: THE BUD! Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:14 pm
immy wrote:
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The Seed and The Seed Bud Entries
Every now and then, we see a Seed its followed by a candle formation that I choose to call The Bud. You know, like a Bud that forms in plants
that shoot into a new development and also its like the Seeds little buddy that forms immediately after a seed. In most cases its formation is
similar to a small Pin Bar or a BDC. Its actually a failed/fake breakout of seed. Here are some examples in pictures. These are my favourite
formations that can be taken in the direction of the Trend i.e. Gator.
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How to Trade the Bud
Bullish Bud: Put SL below the Low of The Bullish BUD below the Tail and since the high of the Seed is not broken yet put Pending order Long
above the high of the seed.
Bearish Bud: Pul SL Above the Hgh of the Bearish BUD above the tail and since the low of the Seed is not broken yet put Pending Order Short
below the low of the Seed.
Bullish Outside Bud: Put SL below the tail/low and PO above the high of the Bud.
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Bearish Outside Bud: Put SL Above the tail/low and PO below the low of the Bud. (Both and High and Low of Seed have been broken so take the
bud high and low)
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Any Questions... please feel free to comment/ask by replying to the post here.
cheers
Immy,
this sounds very promising !!! One more "tool" in our arsenal now...I'll have a look at it definitely!!!
Thx very much

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The_Snowman Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:24 pm
I have a questions, can you please show the Color settings for The Seed V2.2
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And the F8 chart Color settings & if the Chart on foreground or not?
I just can't make my candles same as yours, thanks, John

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fxsam Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:37 pm
Hi Immy,
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Thanks for the new entry technique. I have a question.
Normally we take entry after SEED candle. If next candle after SEEDS form Bullish or Bearish BUD then it's ok as PO doesn't go live but if next candle
form as Bullish/Bearish Outside BUD then it might be rent. My question is should we wait for one more candle after SEED or continue taking entry on
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Andrewb Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:43 pm
Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the Bud
aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
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The_Snowman Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:14 pm
Andrewb wrote:
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Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the
Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
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I'm not Immy but I don't see where the extra RISK is ?
If you mean using a stop that is farther away, well, you can still put stop at Seed candle or adjust position size to keep risk the same.
Looks to me like these BUD candles are extra confirmation and will actually make a safer trade = less risk
I have been using BAR chart but hope Immy answer my question above soon.
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Andrewb Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:31 pm
The_Snowman wrote:
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Andrewb wrote:
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with
4:53 am the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
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I'm not Immy but I don't see where the extra RISK is ?
If you mean using a stop that is farther away, well, you can still put stop at Seed candle or adjust position size to keep risk the same.
I have been using BAR chart but hope Immy answer my question above soon.
Sorry it's not more risk as you can manage your lot size but in terms of pips it more, meaning more pips to get to 1:1 risk reward. As you have said it
gives you more confirmation.
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immy Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:52 am
fxsam wrote:
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Hi Immy,
Thanks for the new entry technique. I have a question.

Normally we take entry after SEED candle. If next candle after SEEDS form Bullish or Bearish BUD then it's ok as PO doesn't go live but if next
candle form as Bullish/Bearish Outside BUD then it might be rent. My question is should we wait for one more candle after SEED or continue
taking entry on SEED ?
Regards,
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If you took the seed, you took the seed, if you did not take the seed and BUD appears, you use that, if the outside bearish or bullish bar stopped out
Been thanked: 100 times your seed entry, you have chance to re-enter, but it does not always do that, so if it did not, you have confidence in staying in the trade. continue
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taking seeds as they appear, this is extra price pattern as apposed to replacement of seed.
I hope it makes sense
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Andrewb wrote:
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Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with the
Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
Cheers in advance.
Hi Andrew
Yes, some buds may have longer tails, requiring slightly bigger SL but of course the lot size will reflect accordingly, but it gives you a price pattern
9:46 am that is "leading indicator", the bullish or bearish price pattern "predicts" a move, that adds to the odds in our favour. I hope it makes sense
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The_Snowman wrote:
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Andrewb wrote:
Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with
the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
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Andrewb Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:47 am
immy wrote:
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Andrewb wrote:
Hi Immy, thanks for the new technique, the ever evolving Aims, love it. A question though, the advantage of the seed was its low risk, with
the Bud aren't we taking away that low risk? With the entry being above the seed if long but the SL at the low of the bud.
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Hi Andrew
Yes, some buds may have longer tails, requiring slightly bigger SL but of course the lot size will reflect accordingly, but it gives you a price
pattern that is "leading indicator", the bullish or bearish price pattern "predicts" a move, that adds to the odds in our favour. I hope it makes
sense
ps: yes, I understand that the major major point of Seed, which sadly not many people have understood, is exactly what you mentionedn. It gives
you Low Low risk entries with potential of many fold multiples of rewards. e.g. a 10 pip Seed with 150 pip reward in one wave.
Cheers Immy, I will certainly look into it.
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Darren Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:52 am
Now I am looking a little more at the hourly charts I have a quick question about a seed trade that I don't think would have been a short trade as price went
above the seed by 18 pips and slightly above the gator, but I am not sure.
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In the chart below, I assume that you would put your PO below the seed as it is in a downtrend, but at what point would you delete the PO, if at all?

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francisrama Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:46 am
Darren wrote:
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Now I am looking a little more at the hourly charts I have a quick question about a seed trade that I don't think would have been a short trade as
price went above the seed by 18 pips and slightly above the gator, but I am not sure.
In the chart below, I assume that you would put your PO below the seed as it is in a downtrend, but at what point would you delete the PO, if at
all?
Hi Darren,
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Has thanked: 0 time To me what's important = where does this SEED occur regarding the IMPULSE. If it were at the beginning, or in the middle of the IMPULSE, then yes I'd
First Name: Fran take it in the direction of the trend. I'd cancel the PO if the UP move goes upper that the last TOP. On the other hand, if it were close to the end of
the IMPULSE, since there is also a FRUIT, I'd take it countertrend. So now = how can I know if it is at the middle or the nd of the IMPULSE? This is
EW...e.g. if this is wave5, then decompose it into 5 subwaves...if this SEED occurs close to the end of subwave 5 of wave5, then I'd take it
countertrend.
Hope I'm clear -not sure though...- ...
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Darren Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:21 am
Thanks for the reply Fran. That does all make sense.
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Lets suppose the seed appeared after a stronger wave 3 than is shown on the chart, and the seed appeared after a bit of a retracement. You would
leave the PO on unless the current price goes above the previous swing high, or Aims high? I am looking for some 'rule' as to when to cancel the PO.
This has probably been discussed before so apologies if it has!
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immy Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:32 am
Darren wrote:
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Thanks for the reply Fran. That does all make sense.
Lets suppose the seed appeared after a stronger wave 3 than is shown on the chart, and the seed appeared after a bit of a retracement. You
would leave the PO on unless the current price goes above the previous swing high, or Aims high? I am looking for some 'rule' as to when to cancel
the PO. This has probably been discussed before so apologies if it has!
Cheers,
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Firstly I'd say, I love such questions. This really shows that someone is out there trying ot learn to trade correctly and we all know that the reward of
correct trading can be massive.
having said that, I agree 100% with Fran and I'd add this, if a couple of candle after a seed price doesn't break the low of the seed or does not form a
BUD or Fruit in the direction of the trend (which the indicator will not show if the settings are not set it to show it , which is by default turned to not
showing Frruit in the direction of trend) I'll ignore it.
Like Fran mentioned, First job for any trader is to Find What is The Trend . We do that using 2 things 1. Alligator mouth 2. eWave analysis. IF I see a
wave 3 and a pull back I know I may be entering into a 5 of 3 or a new 5 but for new five i have to have evidence of wave 4 and its end. If the Seed
appears at the end of a PC, confirming possible end of wave 4, I'll take it even if its within the gator mouth provided gator is not completely closed.
This would help me get in before a fractal break hence reducing my risk and increasing my potential reward.
I hope it makes sense. I'll say again here

Fruit = Picking top and bottoms of waves. (could be impulse or corrective)
Seed = Picking tops and bottoms of Corrective waves within IMpulse waves
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Brinx
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Welcome to AIMS Stress Free Trading Commuinty. Thank you for joining. You asked a question in chat which I could not answer while you were
around because I was filling our warehouse with a container load of stuff. Some good exercise, no need to go to gym tonight haha
Your Question:
new to the seed concept..... can it be used on all time frames, or has H1 been determined to be the best?
Answer: (please forgive my complicated writing style just don't have time right now)
Immy: Hi Brinx... The Seed can be used on anytimeframe. As a matter of fact any AIMS entry technique can be used on any time frame. But the story
of the Seed is different. We traded the Classic S1 and S2 setups and I always wanted an entry mechanism, a trading strategy suitable for those users
who dont , for reasons of their own or technical reasons, trade or like trading the lower time frames. I said the basic Setup must be the foundation of
Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2010 that. I cannot go into Fractal Geometric nature of the market right now but I'll say this, that the market has a structure which is Fractal in nature.
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Posts: 4474 For that reason I found that a H1 Seed = M5 Classic S1 Setup. So that means that you can trade the m5 setups without the need of checking your
Location: UK charts every 5 mintues. By trading h1 you're risking only low number of pips that is equal to m5 level stops yet you're able to hit bit H1 level profits
Been thanked: 100 times that is 100-150 pips. An m5 level S1 setup may require 15 pips but may stop you out within 30 or 50 pips whereas a Seed on H1 has the potential to
First Name: Immy run for 2-3 days grabbing on average 150 pips risking only 15 sometimes even 10 pips. that is huge risk reward. you can apply the same techniqeu to
m15, where you'd be catching M1 level setups and gaining m15 level profits. IMHO this is really really good trading strategy. I hope this helps. more
on this in the Seed and the Fruit Section of the forum. all the best 19:24
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We missed it but some one else got it. This is trading. If we all could trade alike, exactly alike, there will be no market. here is a picture of a trade
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Darren Post subject: Re: The SEED Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:21 pm
Thanks Fran and Immy for the comprehensive replies. Your answers both make perfect sense and has clarified one or two things in my mind.
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Thx very much

I just can't make my candles same as yours, thanks, John

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Thanks for the new entry technique. I have a question.

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I hope it makes sense

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Cheers Immy, I will certainly look into it.

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