Sept.

20, 2018
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 Editors’ Note [Dec. 18, 2020]: In 2018, The Times released a

12-part narrative podcast series called “Caliphate” on the Islamic
State terrorist group and its operations. While parts of the series
involved a broad examination of the group’s tactics and influence,
multiple episodes were driven primarily by the confessional tale
of a Canadian man of Pakistani origin who called himself Abu
Huzayfah and claimed to have been a member of the Islamic State
who had taken part in killings in Syria.

During the course of reporting for the series, The Times

discovered significant falsehoods and other discrepancies in
Huzayfah’s story. The Times took a number of steps, including
seeking confirmation of details from intelligence officials in the
United States, to find independent evidence of Huzayfah’s story.
The decision was made to proceed with the project but to include
an episode, Chapter 6, devoted to exploring major discrepancies
and highlighting the fact-checking process that sought to verify
key elements of the narrative.
In September — two and a half years after the podcast was
released — the Canadian police arrested Huzayfah, whose real
name is Shehroze Chaudhry, and charged him with perpetrating a
terrorist hoax. Canadian officials say they believe that Mr.
Chaudhry’s account of supposed terrorist activity is completely
fabricated. The hoax charge led The Times to investigate what
Canadian officials had discovered, and to re-examine Mr.
Chaudhry’s account and the earlier efforts to determine its
validity. This new examination found a history of
misrepresentations by Mr. Chaudhry and no corroboration that he
committed the atrocities he described in the “Caliphate” podcast.
As a result, The Times has concluded that the episodes of
“Caliphate” that presented Mr. Chaudhry’s claims did not meet
our standards for accuracy.
From the outset, “Caliphate” should have had the regular
participation of an editor experienced in the subject matter. In
addition, The Times should have pressed harder to verify Mr.
Chaudhry’s claims before deciding to place so much emphasis on
one individual’s account. For example, reporters and editors could
have vetted more thoroughly materials Mr. Chaudhry provided for
evidence that he had traveled to Syria to join the Islamic State,
and pushed harder and earlier to determine what the authorities
knew about him. It is also clear that elements of the original fact-
checking process were not sufficiently rigorous: Times journalists
were too credulous about the verification steps that were
undertaken and dismissive of the lack of corroboration of
essential aspects of Mr. Chaudhry’s account.
In the absence of firmer evidence, “Caliphate” should have been
substantially revised to exclude the material related to Mr.
Chaudhry. The podcast as a whole should not have been produced
with Mr. Chaudhry as a central narrative character.
A fuller description of what The Times has learned about Mr.
Chaudhry was published on Dec. 18, 2020.

In the war on terror, who is it that we’re really fighting?

“Caliphate” is a documentary audio series from The New York
Times that follows Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism for
The Times, on her quest to understand ISIS. For more information
about the series, visit nytimes.com/caliphate.
The following is a transcript of Chapter 10. The episode was
released on June 21, 2018. The portions in italics were recorded
outside of a studio or excerpted from archival tape.

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One Year Later

[Applause and cheering]
Donald J. Trump: ISIS is being dealt one brutal defeat after
another. You see it. Not only are we defeating these killers, these
savage killers, horrible, horrible — you don’t even want to say
people — over there, but we sure as hell don’t want them to come
over here.
[Music]
Trump: I’m sorry. I’m sorry. You know, they come back to some
countries, and they come in. We’re making it a very difficult
process. We had such weakness. They go out, kill people, then
they come back, and they go back home to mom and dad.
Andy Mills: All right.
Rukmini Callimachi: So, it’s been a year. Walk us through what
happened the morning after we left.
Abu Huzayfah: I had just woken up, you know — hair all messy,
pajamas and T-shirt.
[Music]
Huzayfah: It was winter, so they were wearing, like, their
jackets, black jackets. They introduced themselves, they showed
their badges, and then they said that — “Can we come in and
have a conversation with you?” I knew why they were here right
away. And they — we sat down right on the — in my living room,
in my house.
Mills: How’d you feel in that moment?
Huzayfah: Really nervous. ’Cause it was their very first time this
was happening with me. So they just asked me about my online
activity first, and then they asked me about my travels, and then
they asked, “Were you in Syria?” And I said, “No.” What’s the
most they can do, right? I already proved that I’m not a threat,
and I talked to them nicely. I was cooperating with them, so ——
Mills: So, like, the next few days, were you, you ——
Huzayfah: Oh, the next few days, I just went low-key for a few
days. I just went through my Facebook, my Instagram and
everything, and deleted a bunch of stuff. And, you know, I just
stopped following a bunch of people. And, you know, I didn’t
know to what extent they were watching me. And then, and then I
was worried about, like, what if, like, now, I’m not going to be
able to get a job in the future? And then for my parents, I was
worried about them, too, ’cause they’re thinking that, “Oh, no,
now what’s gonna happen? He’s gonna go to, like, Guantánamo
or something. They’re gonna send him off.” And so they just told
me, “Just show these people that, you know, that you’re
concentrated on your school and your family and your work, so
that they know that it’s a waste of time just watching you.”
[Music]
Callimachi: So how much after we left do you get into university?
Huzayfah: I got in about the January after you left.
Callimachi: January. O.K.
Huzayfah: Yeah.
Callimachi: You get a letter in the mail?
Huzayfah: Yeah. I walked into my parents’ room and just said,
“Congratulate me.” [Laughs] I finally did something right. So
they were really happy, but, you know, they were just, like, now
maintain it and everything. The first, O.K., two weeks — not even
the first day — it was just me running around getting lost, finding
my way to class.
Mills: Did you make any friends?
Huzayfah: Oh, no, no, no. No. There are — there’s like — I
didn’t, like, try to talk to anyone or hang out with any specific
group. Like, in breaks even, or, like, if I had extra time on
campus, I’d just walk around. And I can’t let someone get too
close to me. There has to be a distance. Like, yeah, you can ask
how I am and everything, and I’ll ask how you are. But if you’re
gonna sit down and have a meal with me, no. That’s a big no.
Callimachi: I can see how that would be really isolating.
Huzayfah: I made a couple of new friends in Canada and, well,
some other country, but, um ——
Callimachi: It’s online only?
Huzayfah: Yeah, it’s all online, but, like, I know of them. Like,
I’ve seen pictures, everything, on social media of them. They
seem to, like, you know, be on the same ideology, and they’re
playing it safe, as well. But here, like, in university, again, I just
go to class and go home, and ——
Mills: When was the first time you suspected that you might be
being followed?
Huzayfah: Um, right after the first meeting. I’d always have, like,
random-, like, looking strangers just, like, you know, on the same
train as me, on the same subway as me, too. Same route the
whole way through.
Callimachi: This person was moving from transit to transit,
sitting a few seats behind you?
Huzayfah: Yeah.
[Music]
Huzayfah: And then CSIS came on their second visit. So this
time, they actually did pull up pictures of me holding a gun. And,
you know, it was me holding a handgun, and my face was clearly
visible in it and everything.
Callimachi: Was this a, was this a picture that somebody took in
Syria of you?
Huzayfah: Yeah. So it’s just me holding a gun, facing — my back
toward the camera, but looking back, like that, you know. And
then I just have the gun up, like that, so it’s — that was kind of
shocking, how they came across that.
Callimachi: When they’re showing you this picture, which you
know has been taken in Syria, you’re telling them that’s not in
Syria, or that’s not ——
Huzayfah: I told them it was in Pakistan, and that the gun was
one of my uncle’s guns, and just went on with it. And then I told
them also that I wasn’t with ISIS, I was with Tablighi Jamaat
instead, and, you know, we’d just go around in Pakistan on
motorcycles. And they just — I went along. I told them a whole
entire thing, and then, they’re like — he was clearly pissed off,
like ——
Callimachi: He was pissed off because he knew you were lying to
him?
Huzayfah: Yeah. When my dad was — when he was talking to my
dad after, he said, “O.K., so we’re done here,” and, you know,
“We’re watching you. We have everything on file and record.”
So ——
Callimachi: So, second meeting, you’re insisting that you did
some humanitarian work, and ——
Huzayfah: Yeah, and also just, you know, I was, I mingled with
the, with ——
Callimachi: That you mingled with them, but you were
maintaining that you’d never been to Syria.
Huzayfah: Yeah. I maintained that.
[Music]
Huzayfah: So this time, they invite me to a breakfast restaurant,
so I go there, and ——
Callimachi: This is what month, now? We’re in March? April?
Huzayfah: March, April — this is April.
Callimachi: Spring of 2017.
Huzayfah: Yeah. I’m, like, dressed up and everything. And then
they ask me, “How is everything going?” and everything. And
they’re like, “So we just have some new information, and now
you can come clean about where you had been and what you
have been doing, and your role, essentially, in the past few
years.” I’m like, “You know what, I don’t have to say anything. I
can walk out of here.” They’re like, “Yeah, you can walk out of
here, if you want.” And I’m like, “I can keep denying it, and you
have no way to prove it.” They’re like, you know, “You’re just
going to dig yourself a bigger and bigger hole if you just keep
lying to us like this. Just tell the truth once, and then we can see
what we can do to help you. We’re not here to get you in trouble.
We just want to know if you’re a threat and where your mind-set
is at and everything. Just come clean, and it’ll be easier.” So I’m
like, “O.K. So this is what happened. I did cross the border.”
[Music]
Huzayfah: And then, they’re like, “O.K., so start from the
beginning. So how did this all happen?” And then I started. I told
them from in Pakistan, who I got recruited through, where I went,
the safe house, what I’d do there, the locations in Manbij —
pointed it out on the map.
Mills: Did you tell them about the meeting that you told us
about?
Callimachi: The Amn al-Kharji.
Huzayfah: Oh, yeah, yeah. I had to tell them everything, yeah.
Like, you know, how they talked about people going into Europe,
how they talked about going — sending people into North
America. I told them the names of who the guys were, too.
Mills: Did they ask about any time that you had to enforce
violence?
Huzayfah: Yeah, they asked me, “O.K., did you commit any
violence, or did you see anything like that?” And obviously, you
saw things like that. But I didn’t, like, admit to them I did some,
though. ’Cause, like — but I, um, I felt like that’s not something,
like — O.K., the reason, like, I hid that, because that’s not their
business, really. It took place in a war zone, and there’s — it
wasn’t like I had, like, I had done it out of, like, craziness, or —
anyways, it’s a war zone. And I thought that it’s not their
business to deal with, and it’s my own business to overcome and
deal with that, and, yeah. So I just thought, like, it’s better off for
me not to tell them. I felt lighter after that meeting. I’m like, now
they can — now that they’re fully aware of my situation, like, you
know, O.K., now it’s — everything’s crystal clear, pretty much.
Now I can finally fully work on progressing.
Callimachi: But if I can just push back, it wasn’t crystal clear,
because you didn’t tell them about the executions that you took
part in.
Huzayfah: That does not really need to be told, though. That’s
not gonna do anything except cause public mischief. Because
what’s gonna happen is that they’re gonna say, “O.K., so now
he’s just admitting it.” But that — and then Canadians are gonna
ask the bigger question, “Why is he out?” You know, that’s the
only question I feel like it’s gonna raise. It’s not gonna — if I
come out with it, there’s not gonna be any benefit of me coming
out with it.
Callimachi: But to turn the tables, I think that is a — that is a
valid question for people to have, given that this is a group that
people are very afraid of, right? And that has vowed to carry out
attacks all over the world, right?
Huzayfah: That’s the thing, like, they were — they are afraid, but
they caused them. They caused it upon themselves. You keep
bombing them. You keep restricting them. You sanction them and
everything. You turn the whole world against them. You’re
bombing them literally 50, 60 times a day. If you had let it
flourish — it wasn’t our responsibility. It wasn’t the North
American NATO or American forces or British responsibility to
deal with what’s going on in Syria. If you corner a dog that wants
its freedom, it’s gonna bite you like that, you know?
Mills: Well, hearing — hearing you say that, what is it that you
believe, and how does ISIS factor into that?
Huzayfah: Um, I think of my ideology a lot. I think of ISIS a lot,
still, but I think of, like, you know, what happened if they were —
had truly claimed to be on the right path. How did they deviate so
hard from something that was holding a huge amount of territory,
you know? ISIS took it to an extreme, but they’re not on a straight
path. Hence, you could see their situation now, you know.
Callimachi: So you’re seeing the loss of territory as undercutting
the prophecy, right?
Huzayfah: Yeah.
Callimachi: If they’d been on the right path, they should have
been able to hold this territory.
Huzayfah: Yeah. If, like, if they had been on the right path, if they
had not had an ulterior motive of being power-hungry, they
would have maybe succeeded — but also because the world
didn’t let them, either.
Mills: A lot of that doesn’t sound all that different to me than
what you were saying before. How do you think your views have
changed?
Huzayfah: I’m still working on fixing my ideology. Like I said,
I’m still a student, still learning every day from it. Like, O.K.
That’s a really hard question, what’s changed. ’Cause that I’m
able to, like, clear up my worldviews more, and put it, like, try to
put it through a filter, at least, or be more accepting of, like, you
know, other things, looking at things with a critical eye. Like, you
don’t have to worry about the violence part. That’s not gonna
happen. Not ever. At least, unless I’m in the proper time and
place for it, right? The battlefield.
[Music]
Huzayfah: But I’m becoming more and more adamant in my
ideology.
Callimachi: You believe you’re becoming more adamant? More
stringent?
Huzayfah: I’ve learned that, like, you know, not all jihadi groups
are right. They’re just groups. There’s an ideology, though, that
you should be following — the ideology of the truth, meaning that
should be your faith. And you should be — make your life goal
not dying or sacrificing yourself for battle, but to have enough
knowledge so that when you are on the battlefield, you can know
why you’re there, fully why you’re there, you know?
Mills: What about in terms of the us versus them? Like, in your
ideology right now, at this moment, who do you think of as the us,
and who’s the them?
Huzayfah: The us is, according to the Hadith, a Hadith, it’s Al
Sunnah wal Jama’a — Al Sunnah wal Jama’a is those who follow
the methodology and the Sunnah of the prophet. So that’s the us.
Callimachi: That’s the us.
Huzayfah: That’s the us. And then the them — the them is still
those that are war against Islam. It is — the them is very much,
like, people like Donald Trump that are at an open war with
Islam. But it’s those that are at a secret war with Islam, the
forefront of them is those within your own community, those
Muslims that are allying with, like, the disbelievers, and are
justifying them. They accept a more sugar-coated view of it, you
know?
Callimachi: Got it. Huzayfah, do you think I am one of the them?
Huzayfah: Um, you? See, I — for you, I could say that you just,
you don’t know it, but you — God’s given you a long life, and
maybe down the road, you will accept Islam. Maybe you will, too.
And you will accept it with full, 100 percent certainty in your
mind.
Callimachi: But until we do ——
Huzayfah: Until you do, you are, in my, in my personal view —
in my personal view, you guys are potentials.
Callimachi: Potential us.
Huzayfah: You guys are potential Muslims.
Callimachi: But until we convert, we’re what? We’re in a limbo?
Or are we the them until we convert?
Huzayfah: You are — you are the them until you convert.
Because fact is fact — I mean, you guys have not accepted Islam
yet, but the us is an open gate.
[Music]
Mills: So the last time that we saw Huzayfah in person was in
December.
Callimachi: Right.
Mills: And since then ——
[Music]
Reporter: It’s still unclear what the true story is of the Canadian
known as Abu Huzayfah al-Kanadi and the time he says he spent
——
Mills: His story has gotten more attention.
Callimachi: Yeah.
Reporter: In a recent New York Times podcast, he admitted to
killing two men.
Reporter: Huzayfah described taking part in a kind of execution
of men who resisted ISIS.
Mills: Including among some lawmakers in Canada’s House of
Commons.
Candice Bergen: Canadians deserve more answers from this
government. Why aren’t they doing something about this
despicable animal?
[Applause]
James Bezan: When will the prime minister finally take action,
put public safety first, and arrest this terrorist?
[Applause]
Geoff Regan: Honorable Minister of Public Safety.
Ralph Goodale: Operations are active and ongoing, and
obviously we don’t broadcast our plans to suspects.
[Shouting]
Regan: I, I — order, order. O.K., I just — order!
Mills: Could you just give me an update? What is going on with
Huzayfah as of right now, June 2018?
Callimachi: Right. So, I’m still talking to him. He’s texting me
regularly. And in fact, I was chatting with him this morning, just a
few hours before coming in to the studio.
Mills: Hmm.
Callimachi: What he’s telling me now is that he is fully
cooperating with law enforcement. Now, I don’t know if that’s
actually true. He told me that he has willingly handed over one of
his phones to the police, who presumably took down the data
from that phone. He says that they call him on the order of three
times a week, and he has evidence that he is under increased
surveillance. There’s a minivan, he says, that is parked outside his
house and follows him wherever he goes.
Mills: They’re not even trying to be subtle about it.
Callimachi: They’re not trying to be subtle. Right.
Mills: Wow.
Callimachi: But I also know that the counselor that we
introduced him to has essentially given up. He considers
Huzayfah to be perhaps even more radicalized now than he was at
the beginning of their counseling sessions in 2016. He says that
he’s become increasingly arrogant, and that he thinks that he has
somehow gamed the system.
Mills: Is he gaming the system? Do you know ——
Callimachi: Yeah.
Mills: Does it appear that anything is actually going to happen to
him when it comes to law enforcement?
Callimachi: So, I think on some level, he is gaming the system. I
think he is acutely aware of the fact that the bar for prosecution in
Canada is quite high. Now, let’s say a witness somehow manages
to leave Syria and makes their way, you know, to Europe, or to
North America, and is willing to testify against him. Then,
perhaps, he would be facing serious charges that could end up
putting him in prison for perhaps most of his life.
Mills: Hmm.
Callimachi: The problem, though, is unless you put these people
away for life, jails, in general, turn out to be a vector in the
radicalization. People come out of jails more radicalized than they
were before, and also smarter about how to carry out crimes,
because they have now been rubbing elbows with fellow
extremists.
Mills: Right.
Callimachi: But more likely than not, from everything I know,
Canada does not have the evidence to put somebody like
Huzayfah away. And that’s where Canada finds itself in the same
situation as pretty much every Western democracy. We know that
around 40,000 foreign fighters went to join ISIS. And according
to a recent report by the Soufan Group, 5,600 of them have
returned home. 5,600 Huzayfahs are ——
Mills: You’re saying these are people who went to Syria ——
Callimachi: Yeah.
Mills: Received training, were part of the caliphate, and
somehow, and somehow, they’re now — they’re back.
Callimachi: And they’re back. Right. Of course, that includes
women and children, but they’re back. And in Western
democracies they’re posing this very problem. Given that there is
so little forensic data to be had, they’re not able to put them away.
Mills: Hmm.
Callimachi: So Canada is experimenting with something called a
peace bond.
Mills: Could you just say more about what that would be like for
someone like Huzayfah?
Callimachi: So let’s say Huzayfah was to be charged with one of
these peace bonds. What it would look like is that he would,
number one, still be allowed to live at home. He’d still be in the
general population. But he would have a series of pretty serious
restrictions. He would possibly have to wear an ankle bracelet. He
might need to give up internet. And he most likely will have to
check in with law enforcement at regular intervals. Basically, the
prosecution is identifying him as somebody that they think could
be a future threat.
Mills: And so does it seem likely that that’s what he’s going to
get?
Callimachi: So they haven’t issued a peace bond, and, frankly,
that’s puzzling. We don’t really know why. Right? One theory
I’ve heard is that when a peace bond is registered, the real name
of the suspect becomes public. It would mean that Huzayfah’s
identity ——
Mills: Is out.
Callimachi: Would be revealed. And it could be that law
enforcement is using, they’re using that as a point of leverage,
knowing that Huzayfah is extremely concerned about his identity
becoming public, because he doesn’t want to bring harm to his
family.
Mills: O.K.
Callimachi: So it could be that they’re using that point of
leverage to get Huzayfah to cooperate on a bigger investigation
about ISIS.
Mills: Hmm.
Callimachi: But I don’t know.
Mills: Right.
[Music]
Mills: What about ISIS? Where is the group as of right now?
Callimachi: Right. So on the one hand, this is a group that has
suffered devastating losses in the last couple of months. They’ve
lost all but three percent of the land that they once held in Iraq
and Syria. With the loss of that land, they lost the lion’s share of
their revenue, because they were relying on taxation.
Mills: Right. So the land’s gone, that money’s gone.
Callimachi: The land’s gone, that source of revenue is gone.
Mills: O.K.
Callimachi: And in the fight to hold on to Mosul and Raqqa and
the numerous other cities that they were trying to protect, they
lost tens of thousands of their fighters. But at the same time that
they have suffered all of these losses, the group is growing.
[Music]
Reporter: ISIS has lost its so-called caliphate in Iraq and Syria,
but it’s been gaining strength in Libya, Egypt, Yemen and
Somalia.
Callimachi: In Yemen, in Afghanistan, in Niger, they’re both
recruiting new fighters and they’re continuing to take land.
Reporter: ISIS militants disguised as doctors slaughtered at least
30 people today in a military hospital in Afghanistan.
Callimachi: And around the world ——
Reporter: Militants bombed a crowded mosque during Friday
prayers, killing more than 300 people.
Callimachi: They’re still continuing to carry out attacks.
Reporter: Authorities suspect it was all the work of ISIS.
Callimachi: And even in Iraq and Syria, where, I think, most
people think that they have now been erased, they are still holding
a thousand square miles of land. That’s twice the size of Los
Angeles.
Mills: Hmm.
Callimachi: Twice the size of L.A.
Mills: And what is it ——
Callimachi: Mhmm?
Mills: That, as far as you can tell, ISIS is planning on doing next?
Callimachi: I don’t know. But I fear that we are once again in the
same newsreel that I’ve seen before. We have a history of
underestimating this group. And they are now armed with the
more than three years’ experience of running their own state. And
so, to people who say that ISIS has been decimated, ISIS has been
destroyed, what I say is ——
[Music]
Anwar al-Awlaki: Victory is on our side, because there’s a
difference between us and you.
Callimachi: Remember the story of Anwar Awlaki.
Awlaki: We are fighting for a noble cause.
Callimachi: Remember that it was in his death that he gained this
elevated status.
Awlaki: We are fighting for God, and you are fighting for worldly
gain.
Callimachi: It was because of his death that his message was
amplified.
Awlaki: We proclaim our message to the world openly and
truthfully.
Callimachi: And implicit in his message is that death is
something to be welcomed.
Awlaki: We are facing you with men who love death just like you
love life.
Callimachi: That dying for this cause is pretty much the holiest
thing that a person could do.
Awlaki: Winning the physical battle is only a matter of time.
Callimachi: And that that will ultimately lead them to victory.
[Sound of explosion]
Callimachi: And what’s happening right now ——
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi: [Arabic]
Callimachi: Is that if you listen to the messages of the leadership
of ISIS ——
Baghdadi: [Arabic]
Callimachi: What they’re saying is that these lives ——
Baghdadi: [Arabic]
Callimachi: These tens of thousands of their fighters who died in
the fall of Mosul and Raqqa, and all of the places that they have
lost ——
Baghdadi: [Arabic]
Callimachi: They died in the service of a great battle ——
Baghdadi: [Arabic]
Callimachi: One which continues on today.
[Music]
Callimachi: And that message is going out all over the world.
Not just to the committed ideologues, but it’s going out to all of
those people who feel disconnected from their communities, who
are looking for a sense of meaning, a sense of purpose and a sense
of belonging.
Awlaki: It is true that you have your B-52s, your Apaches, your
Abrams and your cruise missiles, and we have small arms and
simple improvised explosive devices. But we have men who are
dedicated and sincere, with hearts of lions. And blessed are the
meek, for they shall inherit the world.
[Music]
[Rustling]
Mills: So could you just walk me through what it is you’re doing
right now?
Callimachi: So, I’m packing up right now the documents that we
found, because today, they’re going to a high-end scanner, where
they’re going to be digitized. And after that, we’re going to
basically preserve these documents and share them with the
public, and the originals are gonna go to the Iraqi Embassy.
[Music]
Callimachi: So, look at this. This is from a place called Tidmur
Tunnel. It was actually a railway tunnel that ISIS turned into a
training camp. So right here, these are all the documents we
found in the briefcase. Right here is the Martyrs Brigade — this is
basically the unit that deals with suicide bombers. This is
something that Hawk found for me.
Mills: What about these?
Callimachi: So these are the very first — the very first set of
documents that I found, in a village outside of Mosul called Omar
Khan.
[Footsteps]
Callimachi: O.K.
[Door closes]
Callimachi: Hi, Abduljabbar, how are you? Nice to see you.
Mills: Hello.
Abduljabbar Yousif: Good to see you.
Mills: How are you?
Yousif: O.K., you?
Mills: Yeah, I’m doing good. All right, so you’re gonna go with
the documents.
Callimachi: I’m gonna go with the documents. And I want to go
make sure that they get there in one piece, and say goodbye.
Mills: Say goodbye to the documents.
Callimachi: Say goodbye to the documents.
[Sound of cars passing]
Mills: Well ——
Callimachi: See you, Andy.
Mills: Goodbye, Rukmini.
Callimachi: Ciao, ciao.
[Car door closes]