Why Hazrat Ali RA at death Bed of Omer RA said that He established the Sunnah but according to

Shia He was an Innovator ..!!

Ali ibn Abi Talib(RA) said: May Allah reward such and such man, he straightened the curve, cured
the disease, abandoned mischief, and #established_the_Sunnah. He departed (from this world) with
untarnished clothes and little shortcomings. He achieved the goodness (of this world) and remained
safe from its evils. He offered Allah’s obedience and feared Him as He deserved. He went away and
left the people in dividing ways wherein the misled cannot obtain guidance and the guided cannot
attain certainty.[Nahjul Balagha, page 350, Sermon 228]

Regarding Sermon 227 of Nahjul Balagha where Ali ra praised Omar ra(rib breaker of Majoos) at
His deathbed , shia author deceptively hide his name and replaced it with word fulan ...
Shia instead of answering my claim , as usually started to Hide behind Sermon 3 Of Nahjul Balagha
The Infamous Sermon of Shaqshaqiya !
Now i want to know from rafidha regarding its authenticity , which reliable source of hadith
predating Nahjul Balagha mentioned complete chain of this sermon reaching Ali ra !

Zahid Fareed
, there is no such story the one you wrote about umar from sermon 228 of Nahjul balagha. If Abi Al-
hadid wrote something from his own as a commentary outside of the text of sermon that has no
meaning at all. Shia have nothing to do with Abi Al hadid.

Is ths shia is apostate or someone like that ?

Shia scholar Allamah Ali bin Moosa al-Tabreeziacknowledged this fact stating:
What is intended by the word “fulan(such and such man)” here is the second Caliph(Umar), even
though others say that someone else is intended. The Imami explanation for this is that , it was to win
the hearts of his followers. [Miraat al-kutub, vol 6, page 712].
Zahid
Your this statement showed sermon 228 had nothing about umar. Commentaries of people outside of
the text of sermon has no meaning.
It only proved your lies. Please don't lie. Lies will never earn you anything.
Shokeen Khan

Again your comments are showing your hypocricy

°°°°
Who is this companion then !

Munir Ahmed
Thousands of companions were living in Madina. How I could exactly say who was that man. You are catching a straw which
will never save you from drowning and this is your hypocrisy.

Shokeen Khan

Therfore we have indepent sources pointed toward Omer

Lol
Shia scholar Allamah Ali bin Moosa al-Tabreezi acknowledged this fact stating:
What is intended by the word “fulan (such and such man)” here is the second Caliph (Umar), even
though others say that someone else is intended. The Imami explanation for this is that , it was to win
the hearts of his followers. [Miraat al-kutub, vol 6, page 712].
Similar Statement of Ali RA is found in Sunni source
al-Mughirah bin Shu`bah said: When Umar died, the daughter of abu Hathmah cried him saying: “O
Umar, he straightened the curve, cured the disease, he buried the Fitnah and established the Sunnah.
He departed (from this world) with untarnished clothes and little shortcomings.” Mughirah said:
When Umar was buried I went to Ali as I liked to hear what he had to say about Umar, I saw him
brushing his hair and beard while being wrapped in a cloth after bathing, he had no doubt that
authority would be his, he (Ali) then said: “May Allah have mercy upon Ibn al-Khattab, the daughter
of abi Hathmah spoke the truth for he achieved the goodness (of this world) and remained safe from
its evils. By Allah, she never said it (knowing it) but she was taught it. [Tareekh al-Tabari, vol 4,
page 218]
Shokeen Khan
And second what Ibn e Hadid says
The word Omer is found in the Orignal copy of Nahj ul Balagha
So my point is , is there any copy of Nahj ul Balagha where Other companion by that name is
mentioned ?

Shokeen Khan

Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed 3/383 says, “The man that is referred to is Omar bin Al-Khattab. It was found in
Al-Radhi’s copy – the author of Nahjul Balagha – under ‘such and such man’ the name: Omar

Shokeen Khan

I was told of this by Fakhaar bin Ma’d Al-Musawi Al-Awdi the poet. I also asked the head of Al-
Ashraf (Bani Hashim) Abu Ja’afar Yahya bin Abi Zaid Al-Alawi and he said, ‘It is Omar.’ I said,
‘The commander of the believer – peace be onto him – would praise him in such a way?’ He said,
‘Yes’.”
Fakhaar bin Ma’d is a major seventh century scholar that studied under Ibn Idrees Al-Hilli and Ibn
Shahr Ashoub. He is the teacher of notable scholars like Al-Muhaqiq Al-Hilli, Ahmad bin Tawus,
and Ali bin Tawus. He was praised as a major scholar by the likes of Al-Hurr Al-Amili, Al-Majlisi,
and Abbas Al-Qummi.
http://en.mobile.wikishia.net/index.php?title=Shams_al-Din_Fakhar_b._Ma%27d_b._Fakhkhar_al-
Musawi&action=edit&redlink=1
Munir Ahmed
All your stories are just catching a straw.

Shokeen Khan

Talk with reference and logic instead of denying everythng

Lol

Munir Ahmed
Umar was a big man he wasn't an ordinary man. An ordinary man just cannot go against the orders of Allah and his prophet pbuh
when prophet pbuh at Ghadeer Khum announced wallaya and successorship of Ali ebne Abu Talib AS with the orders of Allah
only a man like umar could go against it. I hereby tell you umar was a big conspirator and the major part of conspiracy of saqifah
bani saada is held with umar.

Shokeen Khan

Instead of again regurgitating same shit which you have been fed
FirSt answer me
Why Ali RA is praising Omer at his death bed ?

And regarding khadir khum we will come to it later

And the view of Ali RA and Conspiracy of Ibn e Sabba regarding succesorship
Bt first deal with the topic at hand !

Munir Ahmed
The topic is this I have nothing to do with the comments of Abi al hadid.
Al Hadid was shafi sunni mutazila

Shokeen Khan
The point here is You are denying your respectable scholarS lol !
I have plenty of evidence that it was Omer RA frm multiple indepent sources
What evidence you have provided ?
Nothing !
Shokeen Khan

Abdul Zahra’ Al-Khateeb, the expert on everything Nahjul Balagha, says in his Masadir Nahjul
Balagha 1/213, “The commentary of Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed is the most famous commentary, the most
circulated commentary, the deepest and most useful in content.”

Umar was a big man he wasn't an ordinary man. An ordinary man just cannot go against the orders of
Allah and his prophet pbuh when prophet pbuh at Ghadeer Khum announced wallaya and
successorship of Ali ebne Abu Talib AS only a man like umar could go against it. I hereby tell you
umar was a big conspirator and the major part of conspiracy of saqifah bani saada is held with umar.
Abubakr came out a caliph from saqifah bani saada with the efforts of umar bin khatab.

Shokeen Khan

It is fascinating how quickly Shias will throw someone under the bus. Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed, even
though he is accepted as a Mu’tazili, has been seen as the scholar that penned the most authoritative
commentary on Nahjul Balagha for eight centuries. It is only in our modern times that we find Shias
casting doubts on him and this is only due to a couple of sentences that they find problematic from
his twenty volume commentary.

Shokeen Khan

The point is Ibn e Hadid Not Only found this name in Orignal copy bt also confirmed it from
contemporary notable scholars
The man that is referred to is Omar bin Al-Khattab. It was found in Al-Radhi’s copy – the author of
Nahjul Balagha – under ‘such and such man’ the name: Omar. I was told of this by Fakhaar bin Ma’d
Al-Musawi Al-Awdi the poet. I also asked the head of Al-Ashraf (Bani Hashim) Abu Ja’afar Yahya
bin Abi Zaid Al-Alawi and he said, ‘It is Omar.’ I said, ‘The commander of the believer – peace be
onto him – would praise him in such a way?’ He said, ‘Yes’.”
Shokeen Khan

The point here is later copyist delibrately omitted the word Omer in later copies in their inherent anti
Omer Anti Arab Anti islamic majoosi grudge

Munir Ahmed
Ibn e Hadid wasn't such a man who could held the original copy.

Shokeen Khan
Another point he passed away before occurence of troubles
About a companion who passed away from this world #before_the_occurrence_of_Troubles
Yes historicaly speaking troubles and trials started after the death of Omer RA during the reign of
Uthman RA
similar hadith is present in Sahi Bukhari regarding Omer RA
we find in an authentic report that afflictions will not start till death of Umar(ra). [Sahih al-Bukhari,
vol 4, page 476-477, #3586].
And in another report Ali, Al-Baqir and Al-Sadiq AUTHENTICALLY Praise ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab
Ali enters upon ‘Umar as his body was wrapped and prepared prior to his burial, and he says: “I
would not love to meet Allah with anyone’s record asides from this wrapped man’s record.”
Fada’il Al-Sahabah (‘Abdullah’s additions) #345, Fada’il Al-Sahabah (Al-Qati’i’s additions) #652,
Al-Mutamannin by Ibn Abi Al-Dunya pg 58, Fada’il Al-Khulafaa’ Al-Rashidin by Abu Nu’aym
#206, Al-Du’afaa’ Al-Kabir by Al-‘Uqaili 2:179, Al-Mustadrak by Al-Hakem #4523, Al-Ma’rifah
wal-Tarikh by Al-Fasawi #2:745, Al-Tabaqat Al-Kubra 3:282, Ansab Al-Ashraf by Al-Baladhuri
10:444, Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah #32018
http://www.twelvershia.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Sadiq.png
Umar b. Al-Khattab’s accomplishments during has reign as caliph were impressive and crucial to the
spread of Islam to various parts of the world. ‘Umar similarly laid the administrative foundations to
various government institutions that would later prove to be central. His role with the Prophet since
the earliest days of Islam is well-kbown, and so are his numerous sacrifices. Thus, it is not a surprise
that other companions of the Prophet wished to possess such feats and deeds in their records on the
Day of Judgement

Shokeen Khan

It was ibn e Sabba who laid the foundation of hatred and cursing of sheikhain
Ali RA Strictly prohibited it and said to whip those persons
How jewis persian conspiracy has hijacked the teachings of Ahl e Byt
Abu Ishaq Al-Fazari narrated from Shu’bah from Salamah b. Kuhayl from Abu Al-Za’raa’ AND
from Zaid bin Wahb(*)that Suwayd b. Ghaflah entered upon Ali during his rule, and said, “I passed
by a group who were mentioning Abu Bakr and Umar, claiming that you hold the same views
towards them both. Among them was Abd Allah b. Saba, and he was the first to manifest that. So,
Ali said, “What does this evil black man(**) want from me?” Then he said, “I seek Allah’s refuge.
My opinion of them both (i.e. Abu Bakr and Umar) is nothing but good and beautiful.” Then he sent
a messenger to Abd Allah b. Saba and exiled him to al-Madain, and said, “He shall not live in the
same town as me ever again.” Then he rushed to the pulpit and gathered the people, and delivered a
long speech to praise them both (i.e. Abu Bakr and Umar). At its end, he said, “Verily, if it reaches
me that anyone places me above them both, I will whip him with the whipping of a lying
slanderer.”(Lisan al-Mizan of Hafiz ibn Hajar Asqalani, vol 4, page 484-485, #4253)
https://youpuncturedtheark.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/lisan-al-mizan-4253-vol-4-page-484-
485.jpg