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u/Webbhead
14 days ago

Players want to Polymorph into Wyvern and

then milk it for venom
5th Edition

**2nd Edit**

Just found the list of what is a beast in 5e. Young Green Dragon isn't either, so I guess he can't
do any of these.

**EDIT**

He has clarified he wants to be a young green dragon. Would a young green dragon be
considered a beast?

Our rogue wants to have our Wizard polymorph him into a young green wyvern and then let the
wizard attempt to milk him for the venom to make a poison he can apply to his weapons.

We are close to end game anyways, so I will allow it, but trying to figure out what an appropriate
animal handling DC would be for him to successfully get the poison vs. something else?

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level 1
darkpower467
· 14 days ago
DM

Wyverns aren't beasts.

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level 1
greyforyou
· 14 days ago
Druid

What an intimate relationship the rogue and wizard must have.

206

level 2
Mountain_Answer6013
· 14 days ago

Beat me to it!

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level 2
PaxEthenica
· 14 days ago
Artificer

When the spell wears off, the Rogue & Wizard are left with a vial of cum, & now no one ever
wants to fight a wyvern ever again.

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level 2
fek_
· 14 days ago
DM

In a campaign a few years back, my rogue and the party bard - a green dragonborn - had a
similar relationship.

Green dragonborn venom isn't quite as potent as wyvern venom, but there was no polymorph
required to milk him for it. 8D

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level 1
Maple__Syrup__
· 14 days ago
DM

Polymorph only transforms you into Beasts and Wyvern isn't a Beast.

If they use a higher level version that has no such restriction, then sure, that means they're high
level enough that having wyvern poison isn't exactly a problem.

205

level 1
SmartAlec13
· 14 days ago

Rule of thumb: if it isn’t a real life animal (or a giant version of one), then it isn’t a Beast.

Owlbears aren’t real, not beast.

Giant Toads are giant versions of toads, which are real, so it’s a beast.
Green dragons aren’t real, so they aren’t a beast.

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level 2
rumo2403
· 13 days ago

Also forgot to mention some flying creatures that are classified as beasts despite not being real,
like flying monkeys, flying snakes or birds.

level 2
Direct_Taste_3884
· 14 days ago

What about a Komodo dragon? Their saliva has stuff that’s considered poisonous.

level 1
deathtoputin189
· 14 days ago · edited 14 days ago

All monster stats tell what type of creature they are... and dragons are not beasts... they are
dragons ;)

on young green dragon it says... "Large Dragon" ... {Creature Size} {Creature Type}

i guess extracting poison from a wyvern would take some skill but also the player is the wyvern
and ask yourself if they can fail at doing this? If it were me I probably wouldn't even have them
roll but that's just me. Maybe a mishap and the player gets some poison on them a little could be
worth a roll.

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level 2
legospark
· 14 days ago
Best answer here. The keywords in dnd matter a lot and this particular format is discussed in the
monster manual. Every MM entry has a creature type. If a spell effect lists something as
affecting a "Creature" That's any living thing. If lists something as affecting a specific Creature
Type (beasts in this case). That keyword of beast must appear in the correct spot on the stat block

level 1
SumptuousShorts7
· 14 days ago

Not a beast

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level 1
SafariFlapsInBack
· 14 days ago

When we make up and misinterpret rules we can do anything.

But no, they can’t do any of that nonsense. Beasts. At or below their level. That’s it.

E: there are poisonous beasts though, so maybe go that route.

level 1
Ophalla
· 14 days ago

I've always wondered if a druid wildshapes into something like an elk and has its antlers
removed, do they disappear when they drop the form? A couple druids could stop the rhino horn
trade very quickly.

I've never seen an official ruling, so I assume it's DM's discretion.

level 2
GoldenThane
· 14 days ago
If a druid wildshaped into a bear shits in the woods, does the poop stay bear-sized? If they eat
half a deer, what happens to their stomach when they shift back?

These are all questions only an exasperated DM can answer.

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level 2
Master-Merman
· 14 days ago

Increase of supply does not 'stop the trade' it just bottoms out the market. Now, my rhino poacher
is making less money, but his only other path to income is adventuring, and he's not about that
life.

level 1
FatherMellow
· 14 days ago

Dragons are Dragons. Not Beasts. Do you not have a MM?

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level 2
Webbhead
Op · 14 days ago

Yeah, my fault for not double checking the wording of polymorph. Not going to let him do it.

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level 1
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level 1
Fire_is_beauty
· 14 days ago

Do it with a giant scorpion.

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level 1
Guilleastos
· 14 days ago

Would also like to point out that Polymorph also makes you an actual beast, not a "man in a
beast's body". Animal that knows the "friend/foe", but it's otherwise an animal. Ever tried to trim,
say, a cat's nails? YOUR cat, that lives with you and somewhat trusts you? Now imagine
"milking" a non-domesticated, feral beast that knows it probably shouldn't kill you... and that's it.
I say, Good luck to the d6 hit die wizard with this endeavour!

level 2
dvshnk2
· 14 days ago

Would also like to point out that Polymorph also makes you an actual beast, not a "man in a
beast's body".

where do you read that?

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level 1
JoeTwoBeards
· 14 days ago

They need True Polymorph to do this.

level 1
JKSHulenburg
· 14 days ago

"We need a plan to make our weapons more lethal"

"Now hear me out......... Milk me"

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level 1
xnago_tyr_sires
· 14 days ago

RAW is you can't. Wyvens aren't beasts.

As a DM, their plan seems fine to me and I'd allow it in theory. They just need a different
transformation.

level 1
YourPainTastesGood
· 14 days ago

Wyverns aren't beasts, they'd need true polymorph and id allow that if they had it.

level 1
ddynamite123
· 14 days ago

polymorph specifies it has to be a beast, wyverns have the dragon type so the only way that
could work is with the shape change or true polymorph spell

level 1
happy_the_dragon
· 14 days ago
Monk

He could do like a snake instead. Lower save dc on that poison, and it doesn’t do a ton of
damage, but it’s something.

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