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u/Nightmare1990
Cleric
7 days ago

Would you be mad if your character died in

combat and party Death Domain Cleric used
your corpse as a zombie with Animate Dead?
Misc

Just asking... For no particular reason....

Edit: For those advocating for Revivify instead; diamonds? In this economy?!

325 comments
96% Upvoted

level 1
Raccoon_Walker
· 7 days ago

I’d prefer if they used Revivify, to be honest.

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level 2
CplSnorlax
· 7 days ago
Paladin

I assumed for the exercise the party didn't have e the diamond

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level 3
CrypticKilljoy
· 7 days ago
DM

oh please, every 5th level party and above, have at least one diamond for emergency use.

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level 4
NotMorganSlavewoman
· 7 days ago

My 11th level party just ran out of diamonds and we have 2 dead people. Well, at least we have a
magic cauldron and 200lbs of salt.

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level 5
ihvnnm
· 6 days ago

Mmmm, hero soup and in the morning leftovers are the breakfast of champions

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level 4
OCHNCaPKSNaClMg_Yo
· 7 days ago

level 5
CrypticKilljoy
· 7 days ago
DM

I'm wondering if that is an isolated example. a few years back when 8 played through ToA, I had
so much gold I was bribing officials left, right and center for hundreds of gold pieces each.

and if you follow the treasure guidelines in the DMG, you will rapidly have more gold than
things to do with it.

level 6
OCHNCaPKSNaClMg_Yo
· 7 days ago

level 7
CrypticKilljoy
· 7 days ago
DM

I bet. having too little gold is far worse than having too much (to the point it's irrelevant). if only
finding that balance was easier.

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level 8
OCHNCaPKSNaClMg_Yo
· 7 days ago

level 9
CrypticKilljoy
· 6 days ago
DM

That's rough, though, gold is rarely the treasure worth all the effort but rather the friends and
memories you make along the way.

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level 4
ArtemisCaresTooMuch
· 7 days ago
DM

And if those are used up?

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level 4
MartFatlBlart
· 7 days ago
Paladin

My party is level 18 now and we still occasionally run out of diamonds mid combat. Luckily we
can easily go get one but sometimes people run out.

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level 4
SecXy94
· 6 days ago
Druid

Really? 300 Gold diamonds are that common in your games?

We often are limited by either gold, or simply supply (unless in a major city or capital)

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level 5
PrototypeMD
· 6 days ago

Shopkeep drops a bag that looks like it weighs 20 pounds on the table. "Industrial grade
diamonds. All we get up here. Still works for revivify. Not pretty though."

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level 4
skyziter
· 6 days ago

my party has never even touched a diamond of that cost and the party I'm running from... FOR
prob wont have one for awhile

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level 3
StopDehumanizing
· 6 days ago

Sorry dude, all I have are these black onyx's!

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level 1
quuerdude
· 7 days ago

Yeah because the spell that could be used to revive me now goes from a 5th level cleric spell to a
9th level wizard spell

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level 2
_Bl4ze
· 7 days ago
Warlock

9th level cleric spell. Why use Wish as a brute force solution and risk losing the ability to cast it
forever when True Resurrection exists for this?
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level 3
yrtemmySymmetry
· 6 days ago
Artificer

and with that, its just a matter of Spamming divine intervention until you get a success

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level 3
OkNewspaper1581
· 6 days ago

Hey, reincarnate could also work... That's all I got

level 4
quuerdude
· 6 days ago

Not technically

level 3
dinkleboop
· 6 days ago

True Res? In this economy? Nah, use Wish

level 3
gphomeslice
· 6 days ago
Using Wish to replicate another spell doesn't give you the debuff or the risk of losing the spell.
So just replicate Resurrection and you're good. And it doesn't consume any material components
because it's Wish!

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level 1
Littlebigchief88
· 7 days ago

It would depend on the situation and the nature of the character in question. I wouldn’t call it
inherently taboo for me and my characters, though

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level 2
CostPsychological
· 6 days ago

as long as I get to roleplay my own zombie i'm okay with it

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level 1
Fancypants-Jenkins
· 7 days ago

Reduce, Reuse, Recycle

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level 2
Nightmare1990
Op · 7 days ago
Cleric

Right?

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level 3
the__Gallant
· 7 days ago

On the bright side there's now a slim chance you get revived one day if the party happens to find
access to a wish spell

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level 4
Yuri-theThief
· 7 days ago

On the blight side they're still going cool, exotic places and carrying around loot.

level 3
Fancypants-Jenkins
· 7 days ago

An you're doing is looking after the environment. Nothing wrong with that

level 1
Ashzaroth
· 7 days ago

That depends. If reviving me isn't an option, then no. If the fights is going badly and an extra
body would help, by all means. If reviving is a valid option than I'd be a little mad, but not
enough to hold it against the player. In the end I still died. Expecting to be revived takes away
the tension of combat.

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level 2
_Bl4ze
· 7 days ago
Warlock

To be clear, they would have to be doing this after the battle is over. It's not that Animate Dead
can't be casted in combat, it's just it will take 10 rounds to do so.

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level 2
dat_bot_u_killed
· 7 days ago

level 3
Ashzaroth
· 7 days ago

It's already at 70, but I appreciate the effort

level 4
banshes
· 7 days ago

Dont worry, I'll down vote so it can get back to 69 ;)

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level 5
dat_bot_u_killed
· 7 days ago

With these hands we shall fight a war against this man's common sense to keep the funny
number.

level 1
Crashen17
· 7 days ago

Yes. Because if your corpse is animated it's a lot harder to resurrect/raise dead.

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level 2
Nightmare1990
Op · 7 days ago
Cleric

Ok same question BUT, what if the BBEG used Animate Dead and turned your zombie on the
party?

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level 3
Tin_O_Nuts
· 7 days ago

Well that would be kinda neat

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level 4
[deleted]
· 7 days ago

level 5
ArcanumOaks
· 7 days ago

No… but it becomes a cool story

level 5
Tin_O_Nuts
· 7 days ago

I mean, being morally not good is kinda the BBEG's job, if the antagonist does fucked up shit
with your corpse it becomes a rallying call and lights the fires of vengeance in the rest of the
party

level 3
Phoenixian_Ultimatum
· 7 days ago

If I could still play as Zombie-me with all my abilities ... it could be fun.

Play as a zombie with thar statblock ... annoyed but still enjoyable.

Either under the DM's control and I'm just sitting at the table waiting for something ... I probably
wouldn't care as I'd probably pack it up at that point (or be too distracted killing time on my
phone)

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level 4
Crashen17
· 7 days ago

Get reanimated as a Reborn. Bing bang boom done cool.

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level 3
YourPainTastesGood
· 7 days ago
They couldn't mid-fight, it takes a minute to cast so they'd need to steal your body and take it
away to raise. A player couldn't do it either.

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level 3
Celestaria
· 7 days ago
DM

Depends. Can I control the zombie?

level 2
DarthJarJar242
· 7 days ago
DM

level 3
Crashen17
· 7 days ago

You don't have to eliminate the spells, just make the components prohibitively rare. Not
expensive, rare. Something you can't just buy.

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level 4
DarthJarJar242
· 7 days ago
DM

I prefer to take the spells out of the game so that I can make the act of reviving someone be a
much bigger thing than a simple spell. I want someone dying and being resurrected to be a big
thing. My group loves it and hordes the resurrection signets they find like they are precious
artifacts from a bygone era (they are).

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level 3
mobey_wee
· 6 days ago

For my games, Revivify is more like a magic defibrillator or CPR. Their heart stopped for 30
seconds, they were technically dead, but people are resuscitated like that often enough in real
life, it's not a huge deal (this also depends on how they died though). Then the other rez spells
involve rituals and skill challenges.

level 3
Individual-Curve-287
· 7 days ago

level 4
DarthJarJar242
· 7 days ago
DM

It's a hot take apparently that basically having free plot armor is dumb. I love that the accepted
solution of "just make the spell mats scarce" is 100% okay with everyone but me homebrewing
something that takes more effort isnt. It's whatever, people are free to play however they like.

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level 1
TorkoalSoup
· 7 days ago

Honestly, would be solely dependent on the character I’m playing and the tone of the game

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level 2
Celestaria
· 7 days ago
DM

I'm picturing the old "Goofus and Gallant" strip from Highlights:

Goofus uses Animate Dead on a warlock whose patron has hates undead and whose DM will
make the warlock deal with the consequences of Goofus's actions.

Gallant uses Animate Dead on a wild magic sorcerer who fireballs himself in an Adventure
League game.

level 1
Sudden-Reason3963
· 7 days ago
Barbarian

Mad is a strong word. Salty? Probably. If that really happened, then I wouldn’t invest myself on
the next character as much, since apparently they are just cannon fodder.

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level 1
not_quite_a_lung_doc
· 7 days ago

That sounds sick af honestly.

level 1
DrummerElectronic247
· 7 days ago

So long as the corpse is used responsibly and achieves a sufficiently high kill-count, I'd be fine
with it.

And as long as they don't make it dance or eat pears. Obviously those things are unforgiveable.

level 1
No-Agent-96
· 6 days ago

No, that would be awesome, well thought by my fellow player. Would make for a cool dramatic
scene

level 1
Denathrius
· 7 days ago

Hell no that's awesome/hilarious.

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level 2
AJClarkson
· 7 days ago

Thus is me. I'd laugh my ass off, and, knowing outer group, it'd turn into a really bizarre running
gag.

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level 3
BleekerTheBard
· 7 days ago

Your corpse is just with the party for the rest of the campaign as a zombie minion

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level 4
GhandiTheButcher
· 7 days ago

An entire army of fallen PCs would also be fun

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level 4
Hypnotic_Toad
· 7 days ago
Rogue

Weekend at burnies it

level 1
Unlikely-Plate-5131
· 7 days ago

Consent

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level 2
ErikaTheDeceasedGal
· 7 days ago

Everyone should watch Jocat's Necrohunt campaign - incredible examples of player consent
being called into question. I'm glad I watched a few episodes, not nearly enough people exercise
asking for it

level 3
skyziter
· 6 days ago

nothing to add here but to say main theme and boss remix fking slaps

level 1
Artanis137
· 6 days ago

Cleric: "who knew your corpse would be more useful than you".

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level 1
TotallyXGames
· 7 days ago
Paladin

Depending on how attached I was to that character but in general yes, I would be pretty miffed,
less so about the act and more about the disrespect.

If my character dies I usually want them to have a fitting end, plus there's always the possibility
of my character's death being used as plot or for future events, being used as a cheap Animate
Dead target would remove all impact and honestly make me pretty pissed ngl.

Also the fact that if you're able to cast Animate Dead you're also very much likely to be able to
cast Revivify at most, or at least Gentle Repose to be revived later?

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level 1
racherdoodle
· 7 days ago
DM

If the party didn’t have the means to res my character, no. It would be funny. If the cleric opted
to animate dead my character’s corpse instead of an otherwise doable res, then yes I’d be mad.

level 1
BrianSerra
· 7 days ago

No because, at least in my current campaign, my character would be very upset about being
legitimately resurrected and her spirit would likely resist, so if the Death Cleric decided to
animate the corpse it would be fine because the character isn't coming back anyway.

level 1
somespazzoid
· 7 days ago
I'd be offended if they didn't

level 1
shecoldshehungry
· 7 days ago
Barbarian

That kind of thing would make me as a person deeply uncomfortable, but I also discuss this
OOG when I know a PC will have that kind of ability.

level 1
NotMCherry
· 7 days ago

I feel like it would be unreasonable to be mad at that but I'd still feel idk the word, violated? My
character is not me but in some games the distinction is pretty blurry, if a vilain does it you hate
them of course but if a player does it its a betrayal with some touch of humiliation on the side

level 2
XoriSable
· 7 days ago

Yeah, villain does it ok, I'm not happy but it makes sense. My party does it, that's a form of pvp
in my mind. I'd rank it below killing my character in terms of severity, but not a lot lower, and
it's certainly leading to a group discussion later.

level 1
DocSternau
· 7 days ago

Yes. never mess with another players character - even when it's just the corpse of it.

Make zombies out of killed enemies and resurrect your party members.
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level 1
DunkNuts_
· 7 days ago

I’d like to be asked first but that’s pretty cool imo

level 1
Amaya-hime
· 7 days ago
DM

Clearly it's going to vary from one person to another. I would flat out not be okay with that usage
of my character by a party member. I wouldn't be thrilled about it from the opposing side either,
but at least it might make some sense. For me, it would be grounds for a serious talk, and
potentially leaving the table if that wasn't enough to resolve it.

level 1
CrypticKilljoy
· 7 days ago
DM

Yes!

Why does the phrase, "For no particular reason...." strike me as something said with less than
honourable intentions. Almost as if, resurrecting the character, but chooses to let him die so the
death cleric and be all necromantic with the Animate Dead power play!

Just DON'T!!!!

level 1
Morita_Crowley
· 6 days ago
level 1
FalseNote
· 6 days ago

Yeah for sure, but I’m dead.

level 1
ManOfReason
· 7 days ago

Animate Dead has a 1 minute cast time. So it’s practically unusable in combat, and wouldn’t
work functionally. Danse Macabre or Finger of Death would get around this, but they are 5th and
7th level spells respectively (the latter requiring the killing blow). If the character would have
expected a rez, however, this would not be a cool thing to do, though. So you’ll want to gauge to
other players’ opinions before this.

Source: currently playing a necromancer who loves these shenanigans.

level 1
-B0B-
· 7 days ago
Monk

Depends on my and the cleric's character

level 1
MiraclezMatter
· 7 days ago

I wouldn’t be mad, but only if they didn’t have the ability to revivify me instead.

level 1
Yasha_Ingren
· 7 days ago
I'm pretty sure that if they "end" my undead state my character can be resurrected again when we
have the diamonds for it so I think it would be a fun bandaid until I can res or introduce a new
character.

Extra fun if they let me roll my zombie.

level 1
blacktiger994
· 7 days ago

In character for a death cleric lmao

level 1
MadaxTheShadow
· 7 days ago

They just ruined any chance of my character being revived short of True Resurrection/Wish.
Depending on DM's world rules, that could also trap or harm the soul. Yeah I'd be mad.

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level 1
IIBun-BunII
· 7 days ago
Artificer

This is why I carry at least one whole skeleton in my bag if we have a cleric in the party. :3

level 1
BoredPsion
· 7 days ago
So long as they walked me to the nearest person with resurrection abilities like a jiangshi
afterwards we'll be square

level 1
RiskyRedds
· 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

r/oddlyspecific

Real talk, tho. Unless you were attached to the character or the cleric was a full on asshat, I
wouldn't be too upset. I'd likely be annoyed in the moment because the Negative Energy just
disrupted any chances of coming back outside a proper Resurrection (unless the DM ruled that
the body is desecrated beyond hope in which case it's on both the cleric and the DM because
fuck that noise), but next session I'd be fine.

level 1
vbrimme
· 7 days ago

I mean, I wasn’t using that body anymore.

level 1
Pvt_Conscriptovitch
· 7 days ago · edited 7 days ago

level 1
Existing-Banana-4220
· 7 days ago

I'd be too busy laughing to be mad. That's friggin cool AF.

Then I'd insist on still playing my (now) zombie character, and oh best believe, some
shenanigans will ensue!!

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level 1
YourPainTastesGood
· 7 days ago

Animate Dead has a casting time of 1 minute so they couldn't do that in the same combat

Regardless they should cast Revivify.

If my character was perma-dead, I wouldn't care much if their character zombified mine unless it
was something my character in the game was unabashedly against.

level 1
Theburritolyfe
· 7 days ago

Your are a part of the party forever

level 1
djehutylvl20
· 7 days ago

I’d be honoured

level 1
Zedman5000
· 7 days ago
Paladin

If he could be Revivified or Gentle Reposed to be revived later, I'd be pretty annoyed if they did
that and made it unreasonably difficult to bring my character back.

If resurrection wasn't on the table, then no, using my character's body as a resource to keep the
rest of the party safe wouldn't bother me as a player. It'd probably bother my character in
whatever afterlife he wound up in, though.

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level 1
QueenZoe6586
· 7 days ago

Oh I’m stealing this. I’ll be delirious in grief, completely in denial that my friend has died. “See?
See? They’re fine!” I say, crying, as their corpse claws at the remains of a brigand…

level 1
DoesNothingThenDies
· 7 days ago

Yeah itd annoy me. If I was the DM, I wouldnt allow it. To those that say its awesome, why?

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level 1
afyoung05
· 7 days ago

Depends on my character's relationship to that character and the circumstances of my death.

level 1
BCFranco2003
· 7 days ago

Depends… if my character does not care or judges necromancy spells. Go ahead, better than
dead weight.

But if he had Revivify and/or my character was extremely against the necromancy arts. I would
be very upset.

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E1invar
· 6 days ago

Depends a lot on the world.

Is animate dead fucking my character over in the afterlife? Then hell yeah I’d be mad. This isn’t
default lore for D&D afaik but I think it’s how free-willed undead work in Golarion.

Is revivify or reincarnation an option? Then also yeah, I’d be mad. As players we both know that
I’ll just come back with a new PC at the same level, but in character that’s basically saying he
has no regard for my character as a person- just as a sack of hitpoints between him and his
enemies. Imo if I did somehow get brought back after this I’d be well within my rights to kill
him.

Are we in a desperate struggle where dead is dead, and another body on the field would help
even the odds? Yeah that’s fine, I’d encourage it.

My PC might be a little grumpy about it in the afterlife, but it’s ultimately for the best. I’d be
insulted if I died and the other players didn’t take my stuff to give them a fighting edge. Same
sort of idea.

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level 1
haisevaheikki
· 6 days ago
Barbarian

That sound metal as fuck, I'd have no issue with it. Besides, I got a hundred different character
concepts lying around.

level 1
Mazzmarach
· 6 days ago
They'd have to ask my permission first. I can think of pretty dumb stuff to yell at whoever killed
me for the next 24 hours or so. Might make for an interesting player experience, having to
remind the dude who animated you about extending their used corpse warranty.

level 1
MaliwanArtisan
· 6 days ago

I'd only be mad if there was reason to believe the Cleric hadn't tried his best to prevent my death.
Even then I wouldn't be actually angry if the player was being true to who his character was. I'd
actually find it cool that the Cleric is doing everything in there power to win the fight and not die
with me. But of course I'm far from your average D&D player it would seem.

The real question is would my character be mad. Answer: no, they would be dead.

level 1
SUPERD0MIN0
· 6 days ago

This happened in one of my groups and the reanimated party member got the kill on the mind
flayer we were fighting. One of our most cherished moments.

level 1
Megotaku
· 6 days ago

You willingly traveled with a Death Domain. You knew what this was.

level 1
workingMan9to5
· 6 days ago

It depends on if I get to control the zomvie and have my own initiative still or not. If I get to RP
as a zombie now and stay engaged in the rest of the session, then sure go for it
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level 1
SpiritedImplement4
· 6 days ago

It'd probably get a laugh out of me.

level 1
lawrencetokill
· 7 days ago

no that's awesome

level 1
TheRandomSpoolkMan
· 7 days ago
Sorcerer

My character might be mad from the afterlife, but I the player would not

level 1
Official_Adidas
· 7 days ago
Fighter

I don’t care. It’s funny and I’m dead. I’ll just make a new guy

level 1
SnooDoughnuts4295
· 7 days ago

Yeah I would
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level 1
Fidus_Dominus
· 7 days ago

I would think in either case it was an A-hole move. By either the player or the DM. Based on
your "other" question.

level 1
defaultusername-17
· 7 days ago

is my dead butt aware that this happened?

level 2
robodex001
· 7 days ago

I’d hope the dead rest of you would be as well

level 3
defaultusername-17
· 7 days ago

i am the amorphous lump, i keep the think-meats in the butt.

level 1
thedoppio
· 7 days ago

It’s what my character would want.

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level 1
CplSnorlax
· 7 days ago
Paladin

Only if they use my corpse for triggering traps or something else demeaning. Otherwise waste
not, want not

level 1
OkMarsupial
· 7 days ago

I can't honestly answer this. My better self wants to say I would laugh and RP as the zombie. I
think it could be fun. But I also recognize that character death can be upsetting and frustrating
and sometimes I do get emotional about it.

level 1
Makeitstopgoshdarnit
· 7 days ago

level 1
LordMikel
· 7 days ago

That happened to my character once during a campaign. Killed and brought back as a zombie.
No one liked the fact that he still wore the gauntlets of ogre strength, zombie version could do
some damage still.

level 1
manos_de_pietro
· 7 days ago

That's been discussed around my table too...

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level 1
TheSpoonkMan
· 7 days ago

I'd feel that'd be pretty unceremonious

level 1
shoetea155
· 7 days ago

Yeah I'd be mad. But the feelings of it being fucking awesome would outweigh my anger.

level 1
Right-Aspect2945
· 7 days ago

If it's going to make resurrecting me harder or impossible? Then yes.

If it's just a fun way to do something with the body because there's no immediate resurrection
nearby? No, that's fucking rad as hell, but I want to play my zombie.

level 1
ArbitraryChaos13
· 7 days ago

Your character is dead, I think they're beyond caring.

If you mean irl, depends on the character. If it's one I hate, absolutely do not care. I can farm a
few more zombies if you'd like. If it's one I'm attached to, I'd rather they not zombify it.

level 2
XoriSable
· 7 days ago

Why would you be playing a character you hate?

level 3
ArbitraryChaos13
· 7 days ago

Maybe it would be less hate, more one that I think I'm done playing, for one reason or another.

Honestly, I don't know. I was just speaking hypothetically without considering further
consequences and reasoning.

level 1
Real_Echo
· 7 days ago

That’d be dope, probably better to revivify if possible but I definitely wouldn’t be mad

level 1
ddynamite123
· 7 days ago

I mean revivify is a preferred use of the third level slot and if for some reason you can't then sure
if there is no other alternative

level 1
PrinceAeds
· 7 days ago
Bard

I mean make it funny at least.

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level 1
Massive-Instance-579
· 7 days ago

No. That’s metal as hell. Plus an opportunity to play a new character.

level 1
Blortzman
· 7 days ago

I would offer suggestions for the funniest way to dispose of my body after the fight while rolling
up a new character.

level 1
GhandiTheButcher
· 7 days ago

No, it would be hilarious

level 1
Sigrah117
· 7 days ago

Lol, did that to my wife in guild wars 1. She died and as a necro I made a new minion with her
body.

level 1
violet_jester68
· 7 days ago
Depending on the caharcter, situation, availability of revive spells etc, I might prefer to be
resurrected, but in general, I dont care if my chara ter becomes a mindless undead(or gm
permitting, special undead), the character might, but they dead so who cares

level 1
Hay_Golem
· 7 days ago

Yeah, I would be angry. My players actually almost faced this exact dilemma, but the
Necromancy Wizard made the right choice in the end.

level 1
Reynyan
· 7 days ago

It all depends on the situation. If facing an otherwise certain TPK then yes. But, revivify (if there
are the mats), gentle repose (if I need to make it till the mats can be acquired) are much
preferred.

What level party and context matter A LOT. In a well established party with the Death Domain
Cleric not being of an evil alignment, I would expect all efforts to be used to bring a party
member back. Not turned into an undead tool.

level 1
NotSoSmort
· 7 days ago

In our Curse of Strahd campaign (where diamonds are very rare), Strahd promised the death
domain cleric a diamond if the cleric reanimates the first party member who dies. Since the cleric
can't raised without the diamond anyway, it is a method to rescue the second person who dies
and Strahd is sowing discord in the party and corrupting them.

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u/Anacostiah20
23 days ago

They laughed at my BBEG😞

DMing

So I DMed for four kids (6-8 year olds). At about the fifth session they came face to face with
the evil necromancer they had been looking for . I describe how evil , dark, scary he is. kids roll
their eyes then start taunting him about trying to kiss people. I was confused. After a few more
jokes, it dawned on me. They didn’t know what a necromancer was , they thought I was saying
“neck romancer “.😂

Edit: Holy crap! A gold ? I am humbled and thankful. I hope this brought a smile to your face.
Please consider donating a few $$ to your local literacy program or consider starting a DnD
outreach program !!!!

After posting , I went over the incident with my daughter. She still remembers it from a few
years ago. She corrected me the ages were more like 6-10 and she said she was the ring leader of
that.

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u/SSL2004
7 days ago

They absolutely RUINED Wild Shape

One D&D

As of right now the survey for the new One D&d playtest isn't out, So I'm just going to have to
resort to ranting on here. Everything, Literally every single thing they did to the mechanics of the
Wild Shape feature is atrocious. I can't even fathom how they thought it was good idea.

The one change I like that does involve Wild Shape is more of a global change to the Druid
itself. Instead of Wild Shape being the class's main resource, Wild Shape is merely one thing you
can activate when you use its new class resource, Channel Nature (ala Channel Divinity). I like
this change. There were already quite a few features within the Druid, particularly it's subclasses,
that arbitrarily required uses of your Wild Shape to have effects that are completely disconnected
from that feature. This makes it a lot cleaner and it also gives the base Druid some more options.
In particular Healing Blossoms is really cool because it's a low level, scaling, non-spell AOE
heal.

HOWEVER, every other change is absolutely abominable. To start with, The entire point of
Wild Shape is the idea that you can see a creature, and then transform into that creature, carrying
over all of its traits and abilities. It's strengths and weaknesses. ALL of that is gone. Wild Shape
no longer lets you transform into creatures, instead you can transform into one of three generic
"Beast" forms depending on your level that homogenizes all creatures within that category.
Want to transform into a Dire Wolf because you think it's abilities would be really nice in this
combat encounter? Too bad, you're stuck using the "Beast of the Land" Stat Block that you
would also use if you transform into a Bear, or a Lion, or a Horse, or a goddamn Poodle. There is
no variety in the Wild Shape transformations anymore. And on top of this, You don't even get
access to the stat blocks Multi Attack or Climbing Speed until Level 5, making it even LESS
interesting.

On top of this, It seems like they removed the "buffer" function of Wild Shape. You can't use the
HP of your Wild Shape form as a form of temporary HP over top of your Druid form, which
makes wild shaping and the specific creatures to tank attacks basically a non-factor. I imagine
that the reason this was done was to make it more cleanly understandable what the Druids HP is
at, as the new 13th Level feature, "Alternating Forms", allows you to transform out of your Wild
Shape for one round and then back into it again without expending a Channel Nature. This is a
really cool idea, but the problem could easily be solved by just having a clause within the feature
that states that when you transform back into your Wild Shape form, It retains the HP it had
when the Alternating Forms feature was used.

But it gets worse, because the homogenized stat blocks only allow you to choose between Small
Medium And Large, meaning that you can't transform into Tiny creatures anymore. This
removes basically all of the creative, out of combat utility of the Wild Shape form. You can't turn
into a tiny creature to squeeze into little gaps and scout out areas. Oh but don't worry. They did
think of that. So they created a special, specific feature that allows you to transform into a tiny
size (still homogenized so you don't get any of the benefits of said creature but we're getting
somewhere). And you only have to wait until... LEVEL ELEVEN????. That's right, You have to
be halfway to the power of a God before you can transform into a chipmunk. Hope you weren't
wanting to turn into a cockroach, because you'll have to slay a few dragons first.

It's been repeatedly stated that the philosophy for the changes to these classes is to bring out
everything that the original players of these classes loved and then add on top of it, this is
literally the dichotomal opposite of that. It absolutely baffles me that they didn't see the issues
with any of this.

(Edited because I misunderstood the Size of the Wild Shape forms, but point remains)

As an aside, the whole purpose of this playtest is to critique it, So if you're coming here just to
say "homebrew it" or "play another system" or "don't like it don't buy it", Just note that comment
is entirely irrelevant.

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•Posted by
u/Webbhead
14 days ago

Players want to Polymorph into Wyvern and then milk it for venom

5th Edition

**2nd Edit**

Just found the list of what is a beast in 5e. Young Green Dragon isn't either, so I guess he can't
do any of these.

**EDIT**

He has clarified he wants to be a young green dragon. Would a young green dragon be
considered a beast?

Our rogue wants to have our Wizard polymorph him into a young green wyvern and then let the
wizard attempt to milk him for the venom to make a poison he can apply to his weapons.
We are close to end game anyways, so I will allow it, but trying to figure out what an appropriate
animal handling DC would be for him to successfully get the poison vs. something else?

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Player Abandoned Party To Die - Do We Split

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22 days ago

Player Abandoned Party To Die - Do We Split

Loot?
5th Edition
So last session (only session 4) our party of 4 were trying to rescue a child from some goblins.
The two martial characters snuck into the camp to save the child and try to sneak out, while my
character and the paladin distracted with magic the other side of the camp.

Due to some poor rolls, the jig was up and the goblins discovered the martials while one of them
was carrying the child out of camp. The goblins descended on them and they were massively
outnumbered and surrounded. On the paladin’s first turn they refused to help and walked away,
first casting bless on my character, before exiting the area. They reasoned that their character
avoids fights, tries to redeem people not kill them and didn’t ask for this fight.

Honestly, I was in shock. This is a “lawful good” character abandoned a child to die and be eaten
as well as the two martials. Thanks to some good rolls, we survived the fight and got some loot,
including two magic items both my character and the paladin could use.

Now the problem, next session I plan on giving the paladin an in character bollocking as frankly,
my character sees what they did as evil. In addition, when divying up the loot I don’t see why we
should share anything with them. Out of character though, I want everyone to get along and I
don’t want to make it seem like I am trying to hog the magic items we could both use - do you
have any advice on how to approach this?

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Tabaxi-CabDriver
· 22 days ago

FIRST, voice your concern to the DM. If they have plans on addressing it, let them.
If they dont:

In character. "That was a rough one, folks... Fer most of us anyway. Let's divvy up the loot
yeah?"

Give everyone but the deserter their fair share.

Paladin. "What about me?"

"What about you?"

This will turn up the heat, at which point the conversation can happen above table OOC.

Remain civil, even when the Paladin doesn't. Explain your concerns and find common ground.

They aren't playing a video game.

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 22 days ago

This is really solid advice, thank you

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level 2
NerinNZ
· 22 days ago

I would add that you can also address this to the Paladin, not the player.

Ask the Paladin how the group can possibly trust them? They are a team, and the Paladin
abandoned them.

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namocaw
· 22 days ago
A Paladin who fails to keep code or does any evil act loses all Paladin abilities and becomes just
a fighter and can never again be a Paladin,

IMHO leaving a child to die when the Party had already half rescued them would probably
qualify...

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level 1
East_Ad_5878
· 22 days ago

I have nothing to offer (you've already got way better advice than I could give), but please update
us! I'd love want to hear how this ends up playing out!

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 22 days ago

Sure thing, I will come back to this comment specifically - I want everyone to have fun but I just
don’t understand how forfeiting all your turns in an hour long combat is fun for the paladin

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 21 days ago

Okay so I spoke to the DM today and he was surprised too by the paladin’s actions. As a fairly
new player, he isn’t going to punish her by taking away powers etc. but said he will try and work
with her to sort out her motivations and give her a reason to work with the group. He has also
said he is going to try and outline what is “evil” more clearly for the paladin (I.e. child killing
goblins are pretty much irredeemably evil) and that we need to work as a team. Some people
have said to kick the character, but that is not on the table for us.

We also discussed how best for my character to deal with it - we both approached the topic by
keeping in mind the goal is for every to have fun and remain faithful to their character. We
agreed that it really is a golden opportunity to roleplay conflict in the group (provided we keep in
in character). My character is very logical and would pose the Q: what if you left and the
martials and they died? The end result is, the goblins would have found the child and killed him
too. How does that align with their faith?

Another thing about my character is that previously, he had tried to do things the “right” way
before, and it ultimately got him unfairly disgraced, cast down and his best friend/mentor killed.
I plan on alluding to this (developing my character with the other players) and reason that in the
face of imminent danger, my character will always act first and talk later as he has been burned
before. This is also an opportunity for my character and the paladin to find common ground - we
both want what is best for the greater good.

I did mention the loot but the DM didn’t mention it in his reply, so I imagine it is something he is
leaving to the PCs to resolve. I won’t press not having loot for the paladin as that is kind of a
dick move, but in character I would roleplay absolutely not wanting to share and (maybe)
begrudgingly agreeing.

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RyoHakuron
· 22 days ago

"They reasoned that their character avoids fights, tries to redeem people not kill them and didn’t
ask for this fight."

So just attack nonlethally? Knock them out????

If "what your character would do" is leave the party to die and go sit on the sidelines and not
participate, then you're not playing the game. Make a new character. Party buy-in is mandatory.
What reason would your characters even have to continue to adventure with this dude who left
y'all to die? A player going "its what my character would do" and creating this situation means
the rest of the party is left with the choice being super not-in-character and dragging along this
liability of a character purely because they're a PC, or the player just needs to make a new
character.

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level 2
No_Corner3272
· 22 days ago

This. There is no way I'd go into a dangerous situation with a person who has demonstrated
they'd happily walk off and leave me. Kick them from the party.
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No_Ship2353
· 22 days ago

He abandoned party. I would tell him straight up in a calm voice you ran away and left the party.
We can not trust you. Till you earn our trust you get as much of the loot as work you put in to the
actual combat. Which is none.

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level 1
Elyonee
· 22 days ago

The fight had just started, right? You weren't clearly losing?

The paladin should consider themselves lucky to get no loot at all, because it would be
completely valid to boot the character from the party entirely for leaving everyone else to die.

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 22 days ago

The two martials and the child where in the centre of the camp (the death pit) completely
surrounded.

We are early in and not had much chance for friendships to form, is their defence, which I can
sort of get is reasoning to leave the party members. I just can’t get over leaving a child to get
eaten.

How would you approach not giving them loot?

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andrewta
· 22 days ago
DM

They bailed. They get either nothing or at a bare minimum a pittance from the loot. They did
help to plan but didn’t execute.

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 22 days ago

Any advice on how to say “no loot for you” in a civil way so no one feels hard done by?

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Roughryd
· 22 days ago

The paladin says that they didn’t ask for a fight but taking the quest to save the child was them
agreeing to a fight. I’m confused

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Secure-Bet7435
Op · 21 days ago

I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but it’s not like the paladin tried to sneak round to protect
the child or anything - they literally walked away from the entire thing

level 1
Jojobulu
· 22 days ago

First check with the DM see what they have to say about it. If they don't have anything to say.
Then banish this Paladin from the party.
If "what his character would do" is run away and leave y'all to die then why would your
character continue to work with that Paladin. They can't be counted on.

The player can make a new character that wants to work with the party.

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