Meeting Transcription 20-04-2023

Meeting started: 4/20/2023, 8:00:16 AM

Duration: 56 minutes
Participants: Aaron Alejandro, Albert Tanajura, ANGELO CHITO
BAYRON, bene joseph cantillas, Brendan Carlos, Christian
Barbero, Edmon Quizon, Eugene Pereyra, Huu Nhat,
Joseph Gabriel Lopez, Lance Estrada, Minh Le Van, Raffy
Tomlouie Sadang, Stephen Paul Echiverri, Toan Ngo, tom
diossua Banton, Tr§n Tâm

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19:02 bene joseph cantillas: Nice try. Take note that it's about biblical language. Tito.
First straight ahead.
19:26 bene joseph cantillas: Hear philological. Study a very good correct. So again,
Um, you have pinpoint. so far, this will be the last at I So, take note of your point later. I
will gather them.
37:29 bene joseph cantillas: Ian. Hello. Okay, Nova. Okay, so that's what I have. I am
saying a while ago, there are many criticism in as much as we can have. in the Bible,
much more than we, Mentioned to you. but, in a sense that we, we have, this criticism,
it's in order for us to understand, And to how we interpret. The text in the Bible so we will
go now to the importance of peace.
38:09 bene joseph cantillas: Why is it important? and before, before saying it's
important, and I asked also the body for you What is? The importance.
38:41 Albert Tanajura: Um, actually understand. All the time to analyze over. Because at
first, let's take actually having a heard about the criticism. I thought something like those
only decisions in the Bible. So they listen, it's working really and also reading the fact
that somehow, like an important thing for us to know and to learn for us to understand
more the Bible because that's pretty sense are not a negative thing but and more on
how to understand the Bible and I think most

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00:00 Edmon Q.: A drum, Tom.

00:04 Tr§n T.
: Good morning, sir.
00:06 Edmon Q.: Good morning. We are already. 16, 16 students.
00:46 Edmon Q.: Good morning, Joseph. Bennett Joseph. Our reporter.

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01:15 Edmon Q.: So, it's 8 o'clock. Perhaps we can already start with the with a prayer.
Owner. Good morning. So we are about to start. May ask. Trump to lead the prayer for
us.
01:49 Tr§n T.
: Yes, sir. That's very new products and Holy Spirit. Our Father who art in
heaven,
01:58 Albert T.: Amen.
01:59 Tr§n T.
: hallowed be thy name, I can come there will be done on earth as it in
heaven.
02:03 Edmon Q.: just,
02:03 Tr§n T.
:
02:06 Albert T.: Give up.
02:06 Tr§n T.
: This day out daily bread. And for whipped us out responses,
02:09 Huu N.: But he,
02:11 Tr§n T.
: as we will close as possibly winners,
02:12 Albert T.: We?
02:14 Tr§n T.
: a little is not into temptation, but deliver us from
02:15 Edmon Q.: but,
02:15 Albert T.: Only.
02:21 Tr§n T.
: so, in Vincent de Paul,
02:23 Edmon Q.: Pre-furness.
02:25 Albert T.: Very well.
02:25 Tr§n T.
: New Father and Son, Holy Spirit.
02:28 Edmon Q.: Amen. Thank you. Tom thumbnail. Okay. so, for our first session, when
the first session expires the Google, meet the session expires, You will. You will use the
other. Link that I give you, okay? So, let's wait around five minutes more now. Before
Joseph will. Continue the report.
03:06 Albert T.:
03:13 Edmon Q.: Beneath bene, are you?
03:17 bene j.c.: Yes, Attorney.
03:17 Edmon Q.: Bandit Joseph. How do you want to continue the Report now. Will you
be present some slides?
03:24 bene j.c.: He? Yes. Yes. Attorney.
03:29 Edmon Q.: Okay, Parabayan.
03:32 bene j.c.: I will just present, but My.

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03:39 Edmon Q.: Populate community.
03:45 bene j.c.: percent full of
03:46 Edmon Q.: Okay.
03:47 bene j.c.: our point.
03:48 Edmon Q.: Okay.
03:49 bene j.c.: That I will continue.
03:51 Edmon Q.: Automatic number, you know, just on your end. You can. No no.
03:56 bene j.c.: I,
03:57 Edmon Q.: permission of just, okay, so so far we have we are Many of us, even.
For 24 already, you know. So only a few Are missing. You have Eugene, Gill Dolan. Millian
comedian Christian. Barbero Joseph Gabriel. Trantham Bene. Joseph Unyard. Raffy Tom
Louis. Good Poblete Aaron Alejandro. Magarina. See aaroni, Stephen Paul. He land
strada. Rex Manalo. Brendan. Carlos.
05:09 bene j.c.: And I shared.
05:09 Edmon Q.: We still. Missing. Rex on. That's Rex's. And see, Jamel is just. Join us.
And Manuel. Manuel Manara. Okay. so, So, we can start. With the during the last time
Ian and sisters. A bene, Joseph. Presented. Some historical background. On the Bible
and the books. Or parts of the Bible, the etymology of the Bible and also the census of
the Scriptures. The main, the two main divisions being literal and spiritual.
06:34 Edmon Q.: and under spiritual, you also have Alegorical. Okay. Moral. And
anagogical. and after that, the percented, Biblical, hermeneutics. And some of the
methods, Used the very basic being. Textual. criticism textual, criticism is Previously
called lower lower criticism. As distinguished from higher. criticism these methods such
as historical critical method they're called. Higher higher criticism. Not because they
are superior. Or that. Extra criticism is inferior or not, we say a lower criticism. Is simply
means it is the basic.
07:43 Edmon Q.: I have to start with this one, so before applying hermeneutics,
knowing the meaning of the text, now, you have to start with textual disease criticism
because there are many versions translations manuscripts of the Bible. Now, you have
to determine first Which is the most real reliable, the one, which is closest. To the original.
Have to start with that. Now you have to eliminate errors. Okay. Although right now, no,
we don't have the original. Manuscripts of the Bible.
08:30 Edmon Q.: The original written manuscripts we just have copies. Okay? Okay. So
So Bene, you can continue.
08:42 bene j.c.: Okay. Once again, good morning which and everyone. so, Before
continuing to our topic. On the different types of criticism of the Bible. Allow us to give
some recap questions. About. The topic we had the topic we had presented last time so
it's the PowerPoint. Clear.
10:12 bene j.c.: Yeah.

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 10:47 bene j.c.: So It's the PowerPoint of visible. Okay, so we have here, some sets of
questions we have been and for our recap, just raise your hand. Maybe raised a hand
virtually. for you to answer some questions just to Know that. You get something from
that discussion. That okay.
11:16 Edmon Q.: Right.
11:17 bene j.c.: We call this one as a recap quiz on. Let's start. First. What is the official
list or standard norm of sacred writing for Catholic Church, anyone? Yes, I Albert.
11:46 Albert T.: Looking at Bible.
11:49 bene j.c.: Bible. I'm some other answers. Yes, again to Albert.
12:04 Albert T.: The Canon of Scripture.
12:07 bene j.c.: Very good. Okay. Canon of Scriptures, the official list or standard norm
of the sacred writing for Catholic Church. Thank you so much. I'll pinpoint Okay, next
question. This is a written by 72 Jewish scholars with the same translation. And it's very
first translation the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Lance Estrada. Yes, Land. Lunch rate first.
12:44 Lance E.: Septuagint rather.
12:45 bene j.c.: Very good that Brendan points to your land. Okay, next question. What
kind of sense that speaks of the event reported and Scripture ought to lead? Acting
justly. That will act. Notice.
13:10 Joseph G.L.: Moral sense.
13:11 bene j.c.: very good moral than Thank you, 10 points. Next question, these are
set are sets of writing, tablets that can be written on both sides. This is the precursor
of our modern day Bible. What I'm gonna be bigger than tablet. Albert for 10, 20 points.
One.
14:08 Toan N.: stone
14:14 bene j.c.: Thank you, nice to ride one. Another.
14:24 Eugene P.: Clay tablets
14:36 bene j.c.: yes, Eugene, these are clay tablet but they all called these
14:49 Stephen P.E.: codex
14:53 bene j.c.: Yes, Stephen. Can you say it?
15:05 Lance E.: cuneiform?
15:13 bene j.c.: Your answer is correct. With yourself. And keep it. Okay, so but the
answer of defense is correct, not these writings or sets of writing and tablets are called
cortex or cortisense. Next question.
15:43 Stephen P.E.: sira ata ung mic ko kuya. sorry
15:50 bene j.c.: What type of sense indicate that words directly conveyed, meaning
taken at figures of speech? Yes. Tito.
16:00 ANGELO C.B.: Literal sense.

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16:03 bene j.c.: Literal 10. Okay.
16:04 tom d.B.: literal
16:06 bene j.c.: Specifically, what literal can? okay, the answer is correct sense, but
particularly in metaphorical literal Okay. Next. Who is the famous form critic that argues
that stories about Jesus, were almost entirely misunderstood by the Gospels and writers
and need to be solidized. Yes, Brendan
16:41 Brendan C.: Oh, it's surname. Okay, both man.
16:43 bene j.c.: both man. Okay, very good Rudolph. Next question. What type of
criticism when one compares and evaluates manuscripts and other sources as to, which
is original? Yes. But one mainly
17:05 Minh L.V.: Text Textual Criticism.
17:07 bene j.c.: Very good. Now, textual criticism Then fine. Okay, next question. This
is a collection of religious texts or scriptures that are held to be sacred in Christianity.
Today, same stuff summers and yourself many other, yes, Christian,
17:29 Christian B.: Rights though. Is it the Bible?
17:30 bene j.c.: Yeah, that the Bible. Okay, congratulations next question. What are the
four major divisions of the Book of the New Testament? Anyone. She Albert for 20 points.
17:53 Albert T.: These people.
17:54 bene j.c.: Okay, okay. Anyone. Book of the New Testament and a young four
divisions. Go on. And search. Yes, Joseph Gabriel Lopez.
18:26 Joseph G.L.: And then the gas bills.
18:28 bene j.c.: Yes.
18:28 Joseph G.L.: And the Acts of the Apostles.
18:30 bene j.c.: Yes.
18:31 Joseph G.L.: In the episodes or the letters.
18:33 bene j.c.: Yeah.
18:33 Joseph G.L.: And then the Book of Revelation
18:35 bene j.c.: Very good, very good center points.
18:35 Joseph G.L.: either,
18:38 bene j.c.: Gonna do that. Thank you and congratulations. Next. This is a study of
biblical language for an accurate, knowledge of vocabulary, grammar and the style of
the period. Christian, you raise the hand. Yes, and no.
18:59 Christian B.: Is determined you this?
19:02 bene j.c.: Nice try. Take note that it's about biblical language. Tito. First straight
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19:17 ANGELO C.B.: Philology.
19:20 bene j.c.: Okay, I don't.
19:25 ANGELO C.B.: Philology.
19:26 bene j.c.: Hear philological. Study a very good correct. So again, Um, you have
pinpoint. so far, this will be the last at I So, take note of your point later. I will gather them.
19:47 bene j.c.: And they'll give it to utterly. Okay, thank you so much for cooperating.
So let's proceed to the presentation of the continuation of the types of biblical fitness. I
think Thursday, and it's ready for Her sharing with the continuation of the biblical critical
system. He?
37:29 bene j.c.: Ian. Hello. Okay, Nova. Okay, so that's what I have. I am saying a while
ago, there are many criticism in as much as we can have. in the Bible, much more than
we, Mentioned to you. but, in a sense that we, we have, this criticism, it's in order for us
to understand, And to how we interpret. The text in the Bible so we will go now to the
importance of peace.
38:09 bene j.c.: Why is it important? and before, before saying it's important, and I
asked also the body for you What is? The importance.
38:25 bene j.c.: Of having this criticism of or having this interpretation of the Bible. Yes,
Cal Albert.
38:41 Albert T.: Um, actually understand. All the time to analyze over. Because at first,
let's take actually having a heard about the criticism. I thought something like those only
decisions in the Bible. So they listen, it's working really and also reading the fact that
somehow, like an important thing for us to know and to learn for us to understand more
the Bible because that's pretty sense are not a negative thing but and more on how to
understand the Bible and I think most
39:21 Albert T.: of the patients are under them, you know?
39:25 bene j.c.: Very good very well said. So in the very first glance of the word criticism,
it's just like, we need to criticize the Bible, right? But this criticism helps us to understand
more, today's sex and to enrich more and understanding about the Bible, anyone. About
others. For you personally, what is the importance of having these criticisms? Hello.
Around. Yes. Trump. And Raffy later.
40:18 Tr§n T.
: I think you probably I think not only now, we understand the Bible. But we
also understand correctly. I mean and I when we're criticism the Bible, we interpret in a
way was there. The Catholic for us, we are Catholic. We Follow the way of teaching of
pictures.
40:49 bene j.c.: Okay, very good. I would like to highlight what you?
40:49 Tr§n T.
: Just correctly.
40:51 bene j.c.: What you have said. We will not just understand it. But understand
correctly, very good. Yes, according to the church
41:00 Tr§n T.
: Correctly. According to the.
41:01 bene j.c.: teaching, very good.

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41:01 Tr§n T.
: Yes.
41:02 bene j.c.: Thank you, brother, for that. Yes. Raffy
41:10 Raffy T.S.: For me, it helps us enter into the The world's. Of the various authors
like the profits. to see what they meant and when they wrote, what they did,
41:27 bene j.c.: Yes, we'll be able to travel back in time and to put ourselves and
their situations as well in order for us to understand. Thank you, Raf. Next, how about
others? Hello. Okay. So since Solana I would like to share what Vatican Council to.
mentioned about this, the books of the Scripture are in the books of the Bible must be
acknowledged as teaching solidly Faithfully. And without error.
42:23 bene j.c.: That truth which God wanted put into sacred writing. For the sake of
salvation. This is what Vatican counts. Council too mention. It is truthful because in it, we
find the truth that can lead us to salvation. There could be mistakes now because before
it just a word of mouth that is buying pass through from one generation. So the other
there could be mistakes in grammar, they could be mistakes in historical.
43:01 bene j.c.: There could be Mistake and Gerald geographical references because
we have as we all know, the geography changes from time to time. But these do not
detract from the truthfulness of salvation. Okay. So if If our interpretation of the Bible
leads to be in conflict with others, then that would be not a good interpretation. If we will
try to, To 10 to, What do you call this? To argue with others. No. It will result to chaos.
Divisions. Then.
43:48 bene j.c.: Our interpretation must be put into question. so, the Holy Spirit,
guarantees us that the book Teaches solidly. faithfully and without error, that's according
also today, Verbum number 11 So Sister, Ian. You can maybe you can also share
something. Okay. So as our conclusion me and Sister C and quote Jackwell man and
our Biblical Hermeneutics presentation. That good Biblical, hermeneutics. Bring this
Scriptures alive. Just like the Holy Spirit that does.
44:52 bene j.c.: How the Holy Spirit does to the former sinners. And to the Scriptures
that that it will be, it will bring the Scriptures alive in our, in our lives, in our context. And
also, in addition to unite as the people of God, thank you so much. Okay, thank you so
much for
45:14 Edmon Q.: Thank you. Thank you very much.
45:17 bene j.c.: listening.
45:19 Edmon Q.: Let's give the reporters a big round of applause. Okay.
45:25 bene j.c.: Thank you.
45:26 Edmon Q.: Yeah. Nice reporting not Torresian and Bene Joseph and So, last points
44 reporters. Okay. Now Now, we're talking about the Bible, the Bible. In Latin, the Bible,
biblion. Which came from the Greek word. tobibly, and Books, the books. The singular.
In Greek is bibliona so biblion Biblia, okay, singular Lauren, but The word biblion and
Biblia actually came also from the word, be blossom, be bloss. B, y B. L O S the B+. So,
be boss.
46:31 Edmon Q.: OM can refer to the writing Material Papyrus. Be bloss is papyrus
and it also, it can also refer to the To the place. where the papyrus was being made

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and supplied from there was a town called the Big Lost. And it was supplying papyrus
materials to its neighboring places. It is near Sidon. And near Beiruta Lebanon. So be
bloss. Okay? Is the writing material Aaron's and it is also the town. Okay, I'll just an arena.
47:29 Edmon Q.: From the Book of Bishop a billion, the Bible. Okay. Our word Bible
came from Biblos. a town near Sidon along the Mediterranean, That supplied the
surrounding area. With so many papayri. That its name was used. For the written
materials. Themselves. That is the books that they produce. So that's the, the origin of
The Bible, the word Bible. So, our first session will end in 10 minutes. Not so agnaga.
48:17 Edmon Q.: I know he's we have to Rejoin, using the other Google link. Now.
Sister CN. Also mentioned about the so-called Source criticism. Tracing the sources of
the Text of the Bible. And when we refer to the Gospels now, we Mentioned the so-called
Synoptics or the Synoptic Gospels. Synoptic, what are these synaptic gospels and why
are they called, Synoptics? Okay, Angelo Cheetah. They have any idea. Angelo, are you
there? Let's see. So but no alas Angelo, okay.
49:21 Edmon Q.: Who can answer, who can answer Tom Banton om Banton.
49:29 tom d.B.: Um, hello. Good morning closer.
49:31 Edmon Q.: Yes, yes.
49:33 tom d.B.: from aspirus, item member from our biblical class in the seminary
before, actually not a gospels are sometimes report referred to the Matthew mark and
book.
49:50 Edmon Q.: Okay, must you mark you okay?
49:50 tom d.B.: Gospel. And then they are. Here somehow. Identical to each other. So
that's why that is my referral to the Synoptic Gospel.
50:04 Edmon Q.: Okay, identical in some parts. Okay. yeah, so synopticsness sin, optics
optics in the first to Seeing view. Okay. Like optical the.
50:20 bene j.c.:
50:21 Edmon Q.: So you have optical shops. Optics. Okay.
50:25 Aaron A.: they have common views po
50:26 Edmon Q.: Synoptic soon. Means together. Together. So, when you see this
tree gospel versions together, You can see striking similarities. Unlike the Gospel of
China. Okay, so so there's a few, you know, a theory just if you That. Matthew and Luke.
Okay. You smart as their source mark is the shortest. So the simplest and the shortest.
So according to the adherence of this, Two source theory they used Mark, okay. As a
sourced.
51:19 Edmon Q.: But There are things that are common between Luke and Matthew
that are not found in Mark. So, it means that Matthew and you Okay. Took this common
material from another source. So there's two source theory. So, there are two sources,
Mark and Sayings. No. It's sayings of Jesus Christ. So that's saying is login login. But in
German, they call it Quellen. Q u e, l e when a or in short it is q.
52:09 Edmon Q.: so to simplify In these two source theory. Marked and the queue are
the two sources of Matthew and Luke to explain. The similarities between these three

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synoptic. Gospels. as with respect to John, he had other sources. That's just a theory. in
that theory, you know, Mark would be the first the earliest. Among the four Gospels now.
And that is believed in by I think majority of the Bible scholars the majority, but not all,
okay.
53:03 Edmon Q.: some still hold to the view that Matthew is the first and the priority of
Matthew. Is according to them based on tradition that has been the tradition. To look
upon Matthew as the first. That's why in the canon, it is the first Listed. In fact, Origen
and you fabio's, not both fathers of the church said that the Gospel of Matthew was the
first one to be written while Jerome. And other fathers of the Church.
53:46 Edmon Q.: Said, that the Gospel of Matthew was written. Originally in Aramaic. So
there was supposedly an Aramaic original of the Gospel of Matthew. So, For them. New
Testament books were written in Greek. Except Matthew. Whose original was written in
Amar Aramaic, okay? Although we do not have um, absolute certainty about this things
now because we could no longer Verify or validate them because we don't have the
original manuscripts of the Bible.
54:36 Edmon Q.: We just have copies, okay? Now, with respect to the criticisms not
mentioned by Alberta. They at first, the word criticism is not really a good word, but it is
in this in biblical scholarship. because when you read the word criticism, you're in first
impression is that it is a method on how to criticize criticized and ultimately destroy the
credibility of the Bible but that's not the meaning criticism.
55:17 Edmon Q.: Simply means A Critical analysis. So these are methods on critical
analysis of the Bible and the most basic is textual. criticism Now, because by that method,
you have to establish first The most reliable, the most original. Sources. Okay, okay. And
in the process of establishing that objective, you will have to eliminate The errors that
are obviously. Okay. Yeah. So I think I have to Just two minutes.
56:04 Edmon Q.: Now, I just end this Google meet now and please rejoin using the
other Using the other. Google Link know the Ugs Gxwj Oh, oh, Veena. Okay, I will now, I
will now end this Anna, this session, so everyone. Except two persons that are missing.
I hope everyone will rejoin me. Thank you.

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