**Auden VS Cee [2023.05.

14] **

Auden's scaling: PB > FRSS Choso ~ Amped Yuji > SI Yuji ~ SI Megumi

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**PB**:Piercing Blood
**FRSS**: Flowing Red Scael Stack
**SI**: Shibuya Incident

**C**: Cee
**A**: Auden

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C: why is SI yuji~SI megumi

A: shown in the awasaka fight

C: from what i recall megumi's doing the work and itadoris getting beat up

A: thats not what happens

C: megumi dodges all of awasakas attacks and yuji gets tagged

*C: are we limiting this to shibuya megumi?*

*A: yes shibuya megumi vs shibuya choso*

A: there's an instance of yuji reacting, the reason he gets tagged is the factor of
unpredictability (a change in fighting style)

C: could you show this

A: megumi doesn't have to deal with this factor, he's not caught off guard | yuji
has time to react and block but there's the factor of unpredictability |

C: i don't think the reason yuji's off guard is the blade, but it's megumi beating
tf out of awasaka and him not dealing with damage

A: why is that a defeater

C: because we see he's incapable of reacting

A: so he's in a moment of shock, they're realizing he can indure the damage + the
unpredictability

C: i disagree

A: there's no contradiction, you're offering an inclusive point

C: there's a contradiction, but in this moment that's not the reason

A: you didn't talk about anything later on

C: he can dodge a kick later on (appealing back to his prior point)

A: prove that & show what happened after that

C: any contentions

A: i think yuji getting kicked gave megumi more prep, we see this multiple times
(naoya instance, giving others more time gaps)
megumi is giving more prep time to be able to react

A: so he has more time window, them getting blitzed gives more time window and a
better opportunity to react

C: what part is where yuji gets blitzed

A: its when naoya first appears, then we see him disappear, then he does it again,
then he hits yuji, and once he hits yuji choso has his block ready, fighting order
analogy

C: choso realises that naoya's there at the same time, choso brought his guard
before the attack came

A: he's popping up, reappering disappearing and etc ~ so they rel in reac speed

C: he's not preplanning but reacting since *cut off*

A: in this instance "if i hit x then i'll deal with x1 next"

C: megumi sees this logical consistency and *cut off by auden*

A: not a defeater, you're just recapping the events *explains again*

A: you're making nondefeaters and acting as if they were defeaters/actual points

A: you gonna attack the yuji naoya thing or naw

C: the reason why its not analogous in sc1 yuji gets attacked by naoya then choso
reacts | but megumi attacks

A: doesn't matter

C: matters cause he would have more time to react, megumi's thought process is he's
attacking yuji so let me raise my arms up and block?? unclear

A: restating his point

C: we're looking at what we can see, the way choso responds is *cut off*

A: you made a claim of "inside megumi's mind / inside choso's mind" prove both

C: i didn't literally mean that, i meant that it's likely because we see the way
choso responds and the way megumi responds

A: wrong cuz you pointed out the reacting markers, he blocks right after

C: choso tryna react to naoya's presence / megumi reacts to awasakas attack

A: choso reacts to naoya hitting him

C: reaction markers

A: what makes them ~ is that they both attempt to block *time gap analogy*
C: repeating the point

A: these are baseless claims

- new point-

C: why is yuji even amped

A: he's amped cuz its consistent when ur on the verge of death you get amped (gojo
etc)

C: gojo is coming thru understanding not thru strenght

A: their mentality gets fixed up to come back stronger than before

A: cursed energy correlates to mentality so better mentality better flow

A: u can give your interpretation (he said i feel like a new guy)

C: my interpretation is gojo unlocks rtc and the truth of ce manip and he

understands CE (cba to write down non defeater shit)

A: explains why it's not a defeater (it really isn't since he didnt contend the
prior statement)

A: yuji fixes his mentality and wounds and how his CE flow is better or atleast
implies it, so can we agree

C: he gets hit with BM, i don't necessarily think this is him getting amped

A: why

C: he's panicking, then he turns fear into CE and he's taking control of his
emotions

A: how is that a defeater

C: he's getting amped

A: thats circular

C: why

A: you're proving why yuji doesn't get amped, and you use that as your
extrapolation

C: what i meant to say was, he gets weaker due to his panic, he starts to panic,
which means he lost control, then he calms down and returns to his base level CE
control

A: why is that his base

C: it's consistent that if your CE increases or smth related to it, we see it with
Rika, gojo, etc it's stated directly that it's happening, if its not stated here
then its likely not here

A: thats an AFI

C: its not an AFI it's an arugment from probability

A: its the other fallacy but still fallacious

A: your basis for probability is an AFI

C: attack consistency,

A: provide a basis

C: Gojo example, yuji is diff cuz he's not learning he's just returning *cut off*

A: why

A: what does he say when he comes back

A: he's turning F-CE

C:

A: he's getting into that condition, "clear the mind of all distractions"

A: so you don't think there's a diff in mindset

C: do you agree with him learning how to keep it stable

C: if yuji has been taught by gojo how to keep his CE control n output stable
regardless of outside situation, when he got hit with the BM he was in fear and he
remembered what he was taught

A: why is it his former ability, the point is he's taking out ALL of the
distractions, and this presupposes that his CE hasn't been manipulated throughout
Shibuya, divergent fist examples, this isn't a defeater

C: you're omitting context, when he says "cler mind" he goes through like all these
thoughts and he's distracted, all im saying is at that mment he's not as good at
manipulating it, post understanding role is his original state

A: he has these things in his mind, he removes them and gets stronger, socerers
have distractions since we know now 100% that he has no distractiions just CE flow

C: keep CE stable

A: thats a baseless claim, all these other things are gone, socerers have
distractions impeding them from performing at their best

C: why is FRSS ~ Yuji

A: they're shown rel

C: show me

A: this is self evident relativity, any disagreement

C: i don't disagree

A: are you fine with PB blitzing yuji

CEE CONCEDES :interrobang:good games guys!!!444!!!!44!!