Speaker 1: 00:00 Yeah. 1225.

Speaker 2: 00:02 Okay. Please turn off the bit. Okay, sorry. No, no, no, no. Just a
reminder for ethical issues and research. Okay. So it seems that
we are running out of time. So we are moving on. So do you
change anything to adapt to the culture here, to to, to do you
change any of your habits in order to overcome the culture
shock experiences?

Speaker 1: 00:33 Lemme think about that for a minute.

Speaker 2: 00:36 Like, for example every day you did this way in Canada, but after
leaving, after moving here, you do it in a different way in order
to blend in stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 00:52 Oh, well I think just how I carry myself in business situations is
definitely a little bit different. How's that? I've, I've you know, in
terms of how I phrase things, I'm a little more indirect. Mm-
Hmm. <affirmative>, I pay a little bit more attention to group
dynamics.

Speaker 2: 01:20 Yeah.

Speaker 1: 01:22 I'm more polite to old people, <laugh>, <laugh> than I would've
naturally been inclined to be.

Speaker 2: 01:29 Okay.

Speaker 1: 01:31 You know, I try to speak the language as much as I can. I think,
you know, the, just, just your normal little day-to-day
adjustments mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and more, more of an
awareness Yeah. Than any kind of strict behavioral change.

Speaker 2: 01:55 Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>

Speaker 1: 01:57 And, and re reading the room, you know, too, sometimes
you're, you're gonna have different social read the

Speaker 2: 02:07 Room. Sorry, room or room. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 02:10 Sorry.

Speaker 2: 02:11 Okay. Did you say reading the room or reading the room?

Speaker 1: 02:15 Reading the room. Okay. Sorry. The room. Yeah. Yeah. As in like,
you know, in any social environment, there's gonna be different
expectations. Yeah. and a like, national cultural boundary is just
 one more set of information there to read, right? Yeah. So, you
know, how you conduct yourself with close friends versus
colleagues versus family how you conduct yourself at a formal
versus informal event. Well, we also have how you conduct
yourself at a Vietnamese versus a Canadian event, right? Mm-
Hmm. <affirmative>.

Speaker 2: 03:00 Right, Claire. So anybody here helps you to overcome such
culture shock experiences?

Speaker 1: 03:09 Oh, well, pe people have always been very forthright about
explaining things I don't understand, you know? Yeah. If I'm like,
why are you doing that? People are always happy to explain.
And they, they've been very patient with me, <laugh>. If I do
something that seems a little weird or I'm sure I've accidentally
been rude before, you know mm-hmm. <Affirmative> people
understand that, okay, this is new information. So, yeah. And I,
I, I really hope that for any Vietnamese people visiting Canada,
that they receive the same courtesy from the Canadians there.
Oh, yeah. Because it's, it's, it's made my life a lot easier, just
that little bit of understanding from everybody.

Speaker 2: 03:56 Yeah. Okay. So like what's your advice for those Canadians
planning to live in Vietnam? Like you?

Speaker 1: 04:08 Well, if they're planning to live here I would say try to expose
yourself to the culture more before you arrive. Mm-Hmm. So
you know what to see. Like if they could spend some time with

Speaker 2: 04:21 Doing the research about

Speaker 1: 04:23 Vietnamese Yeah. With

Speaker 2: 04:24 Stuff like that, right.

Speaker 1: 04:24 With Vietnamese film and television maybe, or speaking to

some people that are from there, that would make things a little
easier for them for sure. Mm-Hmm.

Speaker 2: 04:36 <Affirmative>, you

Speaker 1: 04:37 Know but I don't think it's an insurmountable change. You
know, you're not stepping into a a different world. We're all still
human, so a few little a few behavioral differences, a few
different standards and ideas. Mm. But at the end of the day,
you know, keep an open mind to be nice to people, you'll be
fine.
Speaker 2: 05:04 Okay. Beautiful. So the last question is really quick. Have you
ever experienced any co any reverse culture shock like you told
us? Oh yeah, yeah. You, you, you, you got a time back in Canada
for eight months during the lockdown, so did you experience
any reverse culture shock during this time?

Speaker 1: 05:28 Yeah, abso absolutely. I get what you mean. Go, going back to
Canada. Definitely little realities around day-to-day life. So, for
example, in my hometown, we don't have street food, really?
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>

Speaker 2: 05:50 So you miss the strict

Speaker 1: 05:52 I, I'd come, I'd come to rely on it you know, 24 hour access to
good eats. Yeah. That was a little rough. Same with, you know,
wishing I could commute by motorbike. But it's important to
remember that during that time there was a covid lockdown
mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. So I wasn't, I would experiencing
Canadian society, I was you know, mostly stuck in a house
sleeping on my sleeping in my parents' office, you know?

Speaker 2: 06:22 Yeah.

Speaker 1: 06:24 So that was, no, that was a culture shock. You wanna talk about
culture shock? Lockdowns were a <laugh>.

Speaker 2: 06:30 So like during that time, did your parents tell you something?
Oh Jacob, you act differently after you leave in Vietnam, or you
behave differently after you leave in Vietnam or the way you
talk differently?

Speaker 1: 06:46 I don't think so. I didn't hear any comments like that. Okay. We,
we were all pretty preoccupied with the you know, the, the
seeming apocalypse at the time. <Laugh> we, you know, they, I
I, they, they made a lot of comments that they were, you know,
happy that I was, you know, being so adventurous to get out
there and that, you know, I must have learned a lot mm-hmm.
<Affirmative> but I don't, I, I can't remember them pointing out
any specific behaviors. Okay. Different.

Speaker 2: 07:22 So how did you feel when you realized these, these re reverse
culture shock experiences? How did you feel?

Speaker 1: 07:30 I guess kind of bemused. I mean, yeah. And every, every big
change is a big change, right? So mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, you
know, I knew that was how it was. It, it's hard to reflect on
these things just cuz at the time I wasn't very introspective
 because we were also, you know, it was such exceptional
circumstances. Yeah. We were all very focused on, cause that
was like beginning of Covid, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>,
that was back when everyone was still not sure what was gonna
happen.

Speaker 2: 08:07 Okay. Okay. So it seems that we end the interview. Ok. We
have, so far, so far all of the major part of the, of today's
interview. And thank you very much Jacob for joining us today.
You have been absolutely friendly, supportive, enthusiastic
about your answers and responses. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 08:38 Hey, no problem buddy. Good luck on the paper.

Speaker 2: 08:40 Okay. So, yeah, so once again, thank you so much for joining us
today and as we shared with you earlier this audio will be for
the purpose of scientific research only. And all of your personal
information will be kept confidential and as to share with you.
Yesterday after we finish the paper, we will send you a copy so
that you can take a look and you can share with your friends
and stuff like that.

Speaker 1: 09:12 Nice. Cool. Okay. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 2: 09:16 Okay. So if we, if you don't have any questions, furthermore
probably we end this interview. And have a lovely day, Jacob.

Speaker 1: 09:27 Thanks buddy. I better get to work. I can come hang out
sometime.

Speaker 2: 09:31 Yeah. Tonight I drop by <laugh>.

Speaker 1: 09:34 Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. Okay. See you later. See

Speaker 2: 09:36 You later.

Speaker 1: 09:37 Bye. Bye everybody. Thank you. Goodbye. Bye.

Speaker 2: 09:41 Thank you.

Speaker 1: 09:42 Thank you. Bye.