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Ranger Harlequin Great Dragons and

Immortal Elves
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« on: (00:25:53/08-24-11) »

From what I have gathered it seems like Harlequin is treated by the other
Immortal Elves like that wierd uncle that comes to the reunion though no one
really wants him there, and the Great Dragons whom he seems to converse
Posts: 27 with on a familar level for the most part also seem to have some wierd
HA friggin HA respect/dislike for him. I have dug into things as muchas I can and can't
seem to come up with the reason behind this. Is it something that he did in
the Earthdawn timeframe or someplace in the middle. I notice that even
though the other immortla elves seem to treat him as an outcast he is still a
go between for them and Aina in Worlds Without End, though I think thats
because they all think she is a bit crazy and obssesed with the Horrors.
Laughing Man and the Big D seem to have a lively banter on several occasions
in the older source books though I seem to recall after Big D's assasination the
Harlequin said something along the lines of I miss him but I was gonna have
to kill him eventually. The two did seem to be like mided on several topics.

Anyhow if anyone could through some light on the subject that would be
appreciated.
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CanRay Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #1 on: (00:30:56/08-24-11) »
Mr. Johnson

Take into consideration his name, and what it eventually corrupted into being
used as in English.

'Nuff said.

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Ranger Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #2 on: (01:48:04/08-24-11) »

The Har'le' aquin name? Or Caimbeul? I mean I realize it is more than likely
he pulled something on the elves that made them mad but I was wondering if
he was running around slaying dragons or something along those lines. And if
Posts: 27 he was killing Dragons why would D will him Excalibur (even though it was
HA friggin HA misplaced at the time). I mean he is sort of Captain Jack Sparrowy but with a
pile of magic behind him. It seems like he was a constant thorn in the sides of
everyone around. But if he hosed everyone over too much wouldn't someone
have killed him by now? I get the whole honor thing between he and Ehrna
with the don't kill each other during the orginal Harlequin story though it does
say that there is a vwersion of the game where the loser does get killed.
Maybe the dragons don't kill him because they are afraid of the fallout with the
other immortal elves. But that brings me right back to if why wouldn't
someone kill him unless he has 'something' of some type of value to
'someone.' Admittedly he does seem to know alot about the horrors and what
not and seemed to deal with them well - ok so he actually gets runners to
handle them. Though any of the immortals or great dragons for that matter
would also seem to be able to handle them as well as have that knowledge. It
almost seems like he did some kind of deal where he tricked the elves and
dragons at the same time with the same scam and for some reason he is
disliked for it but still given respect for it.

Sure the big picture this is pretty much a not that important, but piecing
together the connection here is my obbsession I guess.
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CanRay Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #3 on: (02:07:29/08-24-11) »
Mr. Johnson

My personal theory is that he did one of two things (And possibly both.):

One: He broke with what everyone else was doing and was various famous
people while the Fifth World was going on. I doubt Elvis, but wouldn't put
Buddy Holly past him. (And there was a Neil Young joke earlier.).
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Spouter of Random Words Two: He got pissed off during the down-time period with all the politics of
"How we're going to get the world ready for the Horrors this time!" and how
everyone had their own plan, and wanted to do their own thing, and fought
hard to get everyone to work together. Then, when the dragons awoke (Who
IEs don't like to begin with), did the SAME BLOODY THING. Which pissed the
Dragons off, because they don't play well with each other, forget IEs. Dunkie
probably had some similar ideas, and they got along pretty well. As for the "I
was gonna have to kill him eventually anyway" comment... I think that might
be more a matter of "Better to have honorable enemies than friends of any
type." Certainly fits the mindset of the ancient ones...
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Ranger Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #4 on: (02:51:21/08-24-11) »

Good points I hadnt thought much of the first one till you said that but it
would make sense. Especailly since we know Alachia (sp?) meddle in the
world as well and he seems to have a specail place in his heart for her (watch
Posts: 27 for falling drops of sarcasm). And it would definatley fit his character to pull
HA friggin HA some similar shennanigans.

And the second point makes a lot of sense and is pretty close to what I was
thinking whatever he did to tick off everyone Big D was either involved with
him in some fashion or was at least in agreement with him. Also the way he
liked to be 'clever' the kill him eventually comment could be a middle finger to
the people that were mad about the two of them getting along as well as they
did. It does seem that those two were the biggest propnents of getting ready
for the horrors. D's sacrifice and Harlequins well getting other people to do his
dirty work for him. In his own way though he was doing what he thought was
best.
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Ranger Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #5 on: (03:29:28/08-24-11) »

I just realized something - being a bit of an old guy myself I remeber when 21
Jumpstreet was on TV and Johnny Depp doesn't appear to be aging- just
something to think about lol
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Fizzygoo Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #6 on: (05:37:57/08-25-11) »

I think, perhaps hypothesize is a better word, that there is a simple foundation

upon which this web of ire towards Harlequin and Dunkelzhan is built.

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Racism.

Both the immortal elves and the dragons have a common superiority complex
when it comes to, well, basically everything except themselves and their own
cultures. It was Alachia who threw her weight in with Hitler, after all (Worlds
Without End, pg 63-64); was it she who planted the idea of a "perfect race?"

The works of Harlequin and Dunkelzhan inevitably lead towards inclusion of

the other species in both knowledge and power of and over the worlds in
which they live. The other immortal elves and dragons start from racism and
build up their justifications from there. They may do it more eloquently than a
neo-nazi or klansman, but it is specifically that eloquence that makes them so
dangerous...well, the eloquence backed by thousands of years of knowledge
and power.
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CanRay Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

Freelancer And money. Connections.
and Immortal Elves An ability to drink an ork under the table.
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Fizzygoo Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #8 on: (17:33:33/08-25-11) »

Why would anyone want to sit under a table and drink an ork smoothie? Le
ew.

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Fallen Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #9 on: (20:15:26/08-25-11) »

Hi!

Came across this bit of info that might help fuel the debate:

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Harlequin was born in the Fourth World. In the Age of Legends, he was a senior Knight of
the Crimson Spire of the City of Spires, Sereatha. The Knights of the Crimson Spire were
dedicated to the preservation and protection of elven culture and traditions. Harlequin
served as Sereatha's ambassador to the Elven Court in the Blood Wood. While ambassador,
he loudly condemned the corruption of the elves of the Blood Wood. Queen Alachia ignored
all his criticisms, causing others to believe the two were related by family or were on
intimate terms. Some unknown tragedy broke Harlequin's spirit, removing all notions of
being a noble knight. As the last of his order, Harlequin is also known as the Last Knight of
the Crying Spire.

He may have been King Richard the Lion-Hearted. According to Harlequin, King Richard I's
armor "still fits," though this may be one of his jokes.

In Renaissance-era France, he fought a chal'han with Ehran the Scribe and lost. In the final
physical duel, Ehran cut off Harlequin's left ear.

He has spent much of the Sixth World focused on magical research and his hatred of Ehran.
During the early 2050s, he challenged Ehran to another chal'han. After the duel, he took
Ehran's daughter, Jane "Frosty" Foster into his care. With the completion of the duel,
Harlequin fell into a drunken stupor, having nothing further to drive him on. The Mad Passion
Vestrial appeared to Harlequin, spurring him to undertake an astral quest to recover Thayla
and her voice to prevent the Horrors from crossing the Spike Point created by the Great
Ghost Dance. In 2056, several kahunas opened a gateway and several Horrors did cross.
With the aid of Dirk Montgomery, the gate was closed. Soon afterwards, he helped Aina fight
the Horror Ysrthgrathe. In August 2057, he and Aina joined with Ryan Mercury to use the
Dragon Heart to finally level out the Spike Point.

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CanRay Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #10 on: (20:45:16/08-25-11) »
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Spouter of Random Words Don't slot with the Harlequin! Or Harley Quinn, for that matter.
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Fallen Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #11 on: (20:46:34/08-25-11) »

Quote from: CanRay on (20:45:16/08-25-11)

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Don't slot with the Harlequin! Or Harley Quinn, for that matter.

Both are very reliable sources of Cool, imo.

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BSOD Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #12 on: (05:56:01/08-28-11) »

Posts: 64 Quote from: Fallen on (20:46:34/08-25-11)

Quote from: CanRay on (20:45:16/08-25-11)

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Don't slot with the Harlequin! Or Harley Quinn, for that matter.

Both are very reliable sources of Cool, imo.

Never thought I'd see 'Harley Quinn' and 'Reliable' in the same sentence.
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Omae « Reply #13 on: (07:41:00/08-28-11) »

The difference being, of course, Harley Quinn is a sidekick - Harlequin is not.
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CanRay Re: Harlequin Great Dragons

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« Reply #14 on: (09:55:09/08-28-11) »
Mr. Johnson

Quote from: Longshot23 on (07:41:00/08-28-11)

The difference being, of course, Harley Quinn is a sidekick - Harlequin is not.

Harley Quinn is stuck in an abusive relationship making her possibly one of the
worst of The Joker's victims.
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On her own (Well, partnered with "Red", Poison Ivy), she stands on her own
as much as any of Batman's other Rogue's Gallery. Also, take into
consideration what happened when she went straight. Took the damned army
to stop her!
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