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Interview EC Vuthy Friday 29 April 2022

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Dialogue: 0,0:02:05.00,0:02:15.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In the year 2012, our organization was
aware that ANZ bank gave a loan to 
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40 million dollars. Before, we were not aware of this loan to Sugarcane Company
Dialogue: 0,0:02:30.00,0:02:40.00,Default,,0,0,0,,When we were aware about the loan
we started the discussions with the bank
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as well as the affected people, We spent about two years trying to
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as the difficulties that the people were experiencing, The people have not received the
solutions. Then, in the year 2014, the people decided to file a complaint to 
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.00,0:03:10.00,Default,,0,0,0,,OECD mechanism based in Australia.
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Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.00,0:06:40.00,Default,,0,0,0,,After we filed a complaint to the OECD
mechanism after 2 or 3 years,
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that time, there were no solutions made by the bank following the request of the people.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.00,0:07:00.00,Default,,0,0,0,,And at the same time, people and
partner NGOs made a lot of advocacy in Australia until
Dialogue: 0,0:07:00.00,0:07:12.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In the year 2019, ANZ bank
reengaged in discussion over the issue and solutions following the OECD mechanism.
And
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principle on the resolution of providing profit as a return,
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the company.
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Dialogue: 0,0:09:36.00,0:09:46.00,Default,,0,0,0,,laughing and Dialogue in English
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Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.00,0:10:30.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In 2019, we were aware about -
(would like to say it again).
Dialogue: 0,0:10:30.00,0:10:40.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In the year 2019, the president of ANZ
bank stated that the bank should not accept
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human rights were abused. Because of this statement, we have worked  
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was stated by its president. In this case, the bank should give all the profits to the
people. At that time, we received 
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.00,0:11:15.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the involvement of the bank, the bank
returned and was involved in the OECD mechanism
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.00,0:11:25.00,Default,,0,0,0,,and discussions were made so many
times through meeting both online and offline with
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Cambodia, though the bank and the stakeholders had agreed in the year
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the profits to the people.
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Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.00,0:13:08.00,Default,,0,0,0,,A resolution agreement, also known
as a settlement agreement in English, it has an amount of - again
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Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.00,0:14:18.00,Default,,0,0,0,,The solution that was offered by the
bank to the villagers has an amount that we think it 
Dialogue: 0,0:14:18.00,0:14:30.00,Default,,0,0,0,,can help to restore the livelihoods of
the villagers in the short term. But it was not compensation offered for the loss of land
by the villagers. 
Dialogue: 0,0:14:30.00,0:14:42.00,Default,,0,0,0,,This was agreed by us.,The villagers
were overjoyed when the bank took care of their problems and participated in offering
solutions
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.00,0:14:52.00,Default,,0,0,0,,to them and they can cope with some
of the livelihoods that they have been experiencing 
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Dialogue: 0,0:15:22.00,0:15:36.00,Default,,0,0,0,,This solution was considered the most
important for the globe as well as the victims as a result of loans given by huge
international banks.
Dialogue: 0,0:15:36.00,0:15:49.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Because in the past, a lot of loans
were given out while the victims did not have access to the support or offer solutions
from
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.00,0:16:00.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the bank. The responsibilities were
always assigned to the project implementer, such as the company. This case is the
model. 
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.00,0:16:10.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In the future, villagers could use it to
demand solutions from banks. "And 
Dialogue: 0,0:16:10.00,0:16:20.00,Default,,0,0,0,,In reality/in practice, ANZ bank has
admitted some gaps in its implementation, that is why  
Dialogue: 0,0:16:20.00,0:16:31.00,Default,,0,0,0,,they offered all profits to the villagers.
And in addition, they have altered 
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grievance mechanisms, and so on, and the victims in the future are able to
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were created by ANZ bank.
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Dialogue: 0,0:18:32.00,0:18:40.00,Default,,0,0,0,,ANZ bank has returned all of their
profits to the villagers to restore their livelihoods.
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Dialogue: 0,0:19:40.00,0:19:50.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Dialogue in English -takeaway
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lessons learned
Dialogue: 0,0:20:58.00,0:21:08.00,Default,,0,0,0,,As a result of our experience or
lessons learned in this case, it is clear that the majority of the difficulties we
encountered
Dialogue: 0,0:21:08.00,0:21:18.00,Default,,0,0,0,,It requires the involvement of the
partner NGOs as well as stakeholders, including donors.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:18.00,0:21:30.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Up to now, it has been almost ten
years since we received some resolutions such as transferring the budget or profits
from the bank to the villagers.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.00,0:21:40.00,Default,,0,0,0,,so it requires everyone to work
patiently and spend time working together
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community itself has so many challenges, including looking for required documents.
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.00,0:22:03.00,Default,,0,0,0,,to participate in dealing with all the
issues, even opening bank accounts for them.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:03.00,0:22:14.00,Default,,0,0,0,,It was required to have the
documents, and the challenging case we encountered in the past was that villagers did
not have those documents, so it was necessary to have new solutions.
Dialogue: 0,0:22:14.00,0:22:25.00,Default,,0,0,0,,When opening the bank account, the
kin can work for them instead, and we can transfer the funds to them.
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Dialogue: 0,0:23:40.00,0:23:50.00,Default,,0,0,0,,Another critical point was that we
received from the mechanisms that we had seen the villagers
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give the profits to the villagers. This is a rare case in the world, and this case does not
exist.
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for villagers or workers who work for 
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.00,0:24:26.00,Default,,0,0,0,,the human rights issues are able to be
used in the future to work with the villagers as well as the banking sector.
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