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Variety-14 June 2023
Variety-14 June 2023
Can new studio chiefs Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy revive Warner Bros.?
By Matt Donnelly
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Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy By
are working overtime to Matt
P. restore Warner Bros.’ rep as Donnelly
the best studio for filmmakers
Times, We Need
Summer at the Movies
Senior entertainment and
media writer Matt Donnelly
profiled new Warner Bros.
Motion Picture Group
CEOs Michael De Luca and
Pam Abdy in Las Vegas and
Antibes, France. Guess
which setting he liked more?
B I Z + BU Z Z
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Strike End?
Speculation about how the the case. When the actors got a
strike that began May 2 will ul- deal in April 1960, the WGA told its
timately end has become more members: “It goes without saying
prevalent since the DGA reached that our problems in many areas
its agreement with the Alliance differ from those of SAG and that
of Motion Picture and Television we in no sense feel bound by the
Producers on June 3. The Direc- specifics of their deal.”
tors Guild bargained for increased In 2008, the writers had to give
minimums and a better stream- up on certain writer-specific con-
ing residual, terms the AMPTP cerns and accept the pattern set
could seek to apply to the WGA by the DGA for the union’s right
and SAG-AFTRA, which began its to cover the internet.
talks on June 7. Even if the historical pattern
The DGA deal removes the holds, however, resolution isn’t
threat of an unprecedented triple necessarily imminent. The writ-
strike, while leaving the possibility ers have often held out for weeks
of a double strike if the actors walk. or months after the other guilds
That happened once — in 1960 — make their deals, hoping the pain
when the Screen Actors Guild won of the strike will force additional
comprehensive residuals and a concessions. The longest writers
pension and welfare plan after a strike, in 1988, lasted five months.
one-month strike. (The WGA strike In that case, pressure within the
in 1960 began two months earlier WGA began to build, and there was
and went on for two months after, a public campaign by a faction of
resulting in similar terms.) writer-producers who by then op-
“If the actors strike, I suppose posed the work stoppage.
one could make analogies to 1960,” There are no signs of that dis-
says Chris Keyser, co-chair of the unity this time around. The WGA
WGA negotiating committee, in a and SAG-AFTRA have won strike
WGA leaders vow to buck text to Variety. “If they don’t, there
is no perfect analogy. Though the
authorizations with 98% approval,
and support on social media is
the protocols of the past writers, alone, may be on strike, likewise nearly unanimous. Maybe
there is still unprecedented labor this time is different.
solidarity and broad public sup- “Historians like to find the con-
port, in the industry and beyond. tinuities across different events,”
... We are in a new world.” says Kate Fortmueller, assistant
The WGA also has argued that professor of entertainment and
By Gene Maddaus this strike is different because the media studies at the University of
writers, actors and directors are Georgia. “The more this unfolds,
the Writers Guild of America, the pursuing different issues. While the more I think it is unique in
Directors Guild of America and there is overlap in residuals and Hollywood labor history.”
SAG-AFTRA ever since. The larg-
est studios and platforms make a PATTERN OR NO PATTERN?
deal with one guild, and the other The guilds have some common issues, for which the DGA deal could be a template
In the summer of 1952, guilds rep- two are usually forced to take the
resenting directors and actors same general terms.
reached a historic deal with Hol- The WGA is now in the middle Minimum Foreign Viewership- Artificial intelligence
lywood studios to earn a residual of its eighth industrywide strike. increases streaming based residual DGA deal
DGA deal residual DGA deal AI is not a person
on TV reruns. But the Screen Writ- Once again, union leaders are rail-
5%, 4%, 3.5% DGA deal Not requested AI cannot replace director
ers Guild held out for a royalty — a ing against pattern bargaining. In 76% increase Consultation on use
percentage of the gross, not a flat a message to members on June 1, WGA demand WGA demand
fee — and declared the first-ever the WGA called the strategy “gas- 6%, 5%, 5% WGA demand Shows with WGA demand
25% hike in 200% more views AI use cannot affect pay, credit
Illustration by Cheyne Gateley
writers strike. lighting,” and said that it wouldn’t writer- increase pay more AI cannot be trained on writers’
After three months, the writ- work this time around. producer Data work
ers accepted the residual and re- “The era of divide and conquer minimums SAG-AFTRA transparency
demand SAG-AFTRA demand
turned to work. is over,” the guild said. SAG-AFTRA Unknown SAG-AFTRA No AI use without permission, pay
That is the definition of “pattern As the strike continues, the crit- demand demand AI cannot be trained without
bargaining,” and that has been ical question is: Will it end the way Unknown Unknown permission
the protocol for contract talks for most previous ones have, with the Sources: DGA, WGA, SAG-AFTRA, AMPTP statements
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By Owen Gleiberman
devious and desperate, that the derson clones, turning movies into of his live-action films. And then, entertainer, or is he becoming a
Bill Murray character seemed cutesy dioramas from hell. in 2014, Anderson did something fashion-victim fetishist of his own
the apotheosis of Bill Murray, My hysteria calmed down rea- that, to my great surprise, blew aesthetic? What you feel watching
and other things. But the bottom sonably quickly. Three years later, me away: He made “The Grand “Asteroid City” is Anderson dou-
line for me is that “Rushmore,” when I saw “The Royal Tenen- Budapest Hotel,” the first movie bling down on everything that has
on some essential chemical cine- baums,” I recognized that Ander- of his I all-out loved. It was a wildly alienated viewers like me from so
matic level, was too flip, too ironic, son was actually a wily storyteller enthralling caper-thriller-adven- many of his films.
too whimsical, too in love with its who, though he staged a film like a ture, featuring the most brilliant Maybe I’m the wrong messen-
cheeky postmodern self, and (yes, demented museum curator, could performance in any Anderson ger to say that. But the real mes-
let’s use the word! How could we devise a character as rich as Gene film (by Ralph Fiennes). Was I now sage is: This time, I don’t think it’s
not?) too twee. Hackman’s Royal Tenenbaum, (gulp!) … a fan? just me.
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Silvio
Berlusconi
By Nick Vivarelli
Berlusconi: Giorgio Cosulich/Getty Images; Star Trek: Strange New Worlds: Paramount+
Grosso” also defined Berlusconi’s was one of the last surviving true neer of the Enterprise and a mem- joining the franchise, Kane has
TV pioneer days. There was no media tycoons, along with Mur- ber of an alien species never before yet to watch any “Star Trek.” “Well,
turning back. doch and Vincent Bolloré, founder seen on “Star Trek”: Lanthanites, the writers said that they liked the
After his Mediaset TV venture of France’s Vivendi. who are extremely long-lived and fact that I didn’t know it — they
boomed and the self-made mogul Once Berlusconi is buried in utterly resemble humans, save for felt that that would be useful for
snapped up daily newspaper Il the monumental pink-marble- a delightfully inexplicable accent my character,” she says. “I think I
Giornale, the A.C. Milan soccer and-granite tomb he built, it will invented by Kane. will now.”
team, film company Medusa and be interesting to see what hap-
top Italian publisher Mondadori, pens to his outdated TV empire
Berlusconi went into politics in the and how his five children from
early 1990s. He did this blatantly two marriages carve up that
to defend his media interests and empire. But two things are clear:
ensure Mediaset remained Italy’s Mediaset, now rebranded Medi-
dominant commercial TV player. aForEurope, won’t benefit from
In doing so, Berlusconi managed political protection in Italy’s Par-
the feat of serving as the coun- liament anymore. And in both the
try’s premier three times, though media and the political spheres
Carol Kane plays
not consecutively, becoming nobody has been designated to the Enterprise’s
Italy’s longest-serving more- pick up Berlusconi’s baton. new chief engineer.
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‘Daisy Jones’
Is the Rare
TV Tuner to
Really Rock
By Michael Schneider
The 1990s animation boom in- fake band performing real, orig- “Daisy Jones & the “The space of Sound City has
corporated music in shows like inal music. Six” harks back this unpretentious magic,” Gra-
to “The Monkees”
“The Simpsons” and “Animani- I have a confession to make: I — a fake band ham said. “You can kind of feel the
acs.” But not until the 21st century can’t stop listening to the album playing real music. ghosts of everyone who’s recorded
did scripted series really figure “Aurora,” by Daisy Jones & the there. We wanted the audience to
out how to make musical num- Six. You could have fooled me be in these rooms with the charac-
bers work as part of the narra- into thinking this was a real band ters. So that became a huge part of
tive. “Flight of the Conchords” from the 1970s. The team behind the show and the writing process.
did it with satiric tracks, while the series, based on the book by We had the unique experience of
“American Dreams” relied on Taylor Jenkins Reid, set out to getting to watch Blake and Tony
oldies nostalgia. The late 2000s create something cut from the make this album and write some
and mid-teens saw the gantlet of same cloth as Fleetwood Mac’s pieces of that into the script.”
musical shows: “Glee” (a smash landmark 1977 release “Rumours.” Honestly, the more I hear about
hit), “Eli Stone” (not so much), And they kind of did. Neustadter and Graham’s pro-
We’ve all made the “Cop Rock” then “Smash” (not a smash), Prior to the writers strike, I cess in researching for “Daisy
jokes. The Steven Bochco musical “Nashville,” “Empire,” “Crazy talked to executive producers Jones,” the more jealous I get.
drama, which premiered in fall Ex-Girlfriend” and “Galavant” Scott Neustadter and Will Graham They talked to Bernie Taupin
1990, was a big swing: marrying (should’ve been a hit). Most re- about creating an entirely new about his long-standing collab-
original music with procedural cently, “Zoey’s Extraordinary band. Said Graham: “The hard- oration with Elton John. Sonic
storytelling. It was a colossal flop Playlist” was a brief critical fave est part was we have to make an Youth’s Kim Gordon shared
that we still talk about three de- and Emmy winner. album that stands with the greats stories in the writers’ room about
cades later, and a reminder that But I don’t know that we’ve of this period.” Then there came what it’s like being married
musicals are hard. ever previously had so many mu- the serendipity of working with to your bandmate. Edward Sharpe
Music has been a part of the sic-intensive scripted series on music producers Blake Mills and and the Magnetic Zeros’ Nora Kirk-
TV landscape going back to the TV at the same time: Apple TV+’s Tony Berg at Sound City Studios patrick was a writer on the show.
1950s and shows like “Your Hit “Schmigadoon,” Paramount+’s in Van Nuys. Meanwhile, because of
Parade.” But few series have “Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies,” “Sound City is the place where COVID-related production de-
successfully integrated regular Disney+’s “The Muppets May- Mick Fleetwood first heard Lind- lays, the series’ stars, including
music performances into their hem,” Hulu’s “Up Here,” Disne- sey Buckingham play the guitar Riley Keough and Sam Claflin,
Lacey Terrell/Prime Video
storytelling: “The Monkees” and y+’s “High School Musical: The and has this amazing, storied his- became more than just actors
“The Partridge Family” worked Musical: The Series,” Apple TV+’s tory,” Neustadter notes. If these pretending to be a band. Daisy
in the 1960s and ’70s. “Fame” “Central Park.” And then there’s walls could sing: Elton John, Nir- Jones & the Six turned into some-
did it in the early ’80s. And Amazon Prime Video’s “Daisy vana, Tom Petty, Guns N’ Roses, thing real, and it’s on repeat in
then “Cop Rock” scared people Jones & the Six,” which harks back Johnny Cash and Red Hot Chili my earbuds. I never could say the
off the concept. to the age of “The Monkees” — a Peppers all laid down tracks there. same about “Cop Rock.”
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pokes fun at itself. And he’s a kid of color — it’s Miles Morales!”
Speaking of Spidey, producer Amy Pascal (2) revealed she was more than just worried
that the first movie, 2002’s “Spider-Man” starring Tobey Maguire, wouldn’t work. She
was head of Sony at the time and recalled spending most of the world premiere in the
bathroom crying. “I was terrified,” Pascal said. “How do you know? You never know!”
But, she said, her fears disappeared on opening day: “It was one of the greatest days of
…
my life.” Not that she’s resting on her laurels: “I’m not calm. If I ever get calm, shoot me.”
In Jennifer Coolidge’s (3) Variety Actors on Actors conversation with Jeremy Allen (4)
White, she proposes that Tanya return to “The White Lotus” as a seagull, so she can
poke out the eyes of her evil husband Greg (Jon Gries). Haley Lu Richardson (4),
who played Tanya’s assistant, Portia, weighs in on killing off Greg for this week’s “Just
for Variety” podcast. “Jon and I worked together in the first movie I ever did — when I
was 17 — called ‘The Last Survivors,’” she recalls, adding, “I was the hero and he was the
villain. I killed him at the end of the movie with a samurai sword.” She says she’d like to
re-create that moment in Season 3 of “The White Lotus,” which takes place in Thailand.
…
“Portia is somewhere in Asia with a samurai sword and kills Greg,” she says, laughing.
SIGHTINGS: Jeremy Renner, Angela Bassett, Lance Bass, Bill Hader, Ali Wong,
Tiffany Haddish, Nigel Lythgoe, Gabrielle Union, Lil Rel Howery and Jon Cryer (5)
taking in Janet Jackson’s (5) concert during opening night of the Hollywood Bowl’s
summer season. After opening the show, Ludacris joined his “Fast X” co-stars
Michelle Rodriguez and Jordana Brewster and their director Louis Leterrier
in a box seat. The performance culminated with a fireworks display as Jackson sang
…
“Rhythm Nation.” The night raised more than $3.4 million for the LA Phil.
Lisa Vanderpump’s iconic restaurant Pump has dipped out of WeHo, and the reality
show maven has no plans to resurrect the eatery. “It was purely a business decision,”
Vanderpump tells me. “With rents being $80,000 a month now, there’s just no way.”
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June 9-11
LA Pride LLos Angeles
The LGBTQ community and its allies celebrated Pride Month with a two-night
concert series at Los Ange
Angeles State Historic Park toplined by Megan Thee Stallion
and Mariah Carey. The weekend
we culminated with a Hollywood parade featuring
Timo Nuñez, Margaret Cho
Icon Grand Marshal Margaret
Marga Cho and Janelle Monáe riding on the ACLU
Mariah Carey at LA Pride in the Park and Kenny Hash
SoCal’s community grand marshal float.
June 7-14
Jane Fonda received this year’s Harry Belafonte Voices for Social Justice Award. The Oscar winner
recalled her friendship with the late actor and musician during a conversation moderated byy “Good
Morning America” host Robin Roberts. “I told him I didn’t want to be an actor anymore because
use it
caused a divide between me and the people I was working with,” Fonda said. “He told me, ‘Fonda,
onda,
the movement has enough organizers. We don’t have any actors.’” She continued, “I neverr
wanted to live on a mountain and dole out money. I wanted to be down there with the people who
needed the money.” In presenting the award, Alicia Keys revealed that she and her Hollywoodod
activist friends, including America Ferrera and Kerry Washington, turn to Fonda first for advice
vice
on any number of issues: “She shows up. … She lives and breathes the life she speaks of.”
Chance
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DOWN
DOWN
CAN A KILLER ROLODEX AND
IMPECCABLE TASTE HELP MICHAEL
DE LUCA AND PAM ABDY RESTORE
GLORY TO WARNER BROS.?
By MATT DONNELLY
Photographs by ART STREIBER
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AAS
clatter of slot machines blaring in the
distance, I met De Luca and Abdy in Las
Vegas. They’d come to Sin City hoping
to reassure movie theater owners that
Warner Bros. was ready to deliver the
kind of blockbusters — “Barbie,” star-
W
WAVES
WAVES
ring Margot Robbie; “Dune: Part Two,”
with Timothée Chalamet and Zendaya;
and “The Color Purple,” with Oprah
Winfrey producing — that it has strug-
gled to produce in recent years. But as
SSWIRL
SWIRL
they rehearsed the important intro-
duction, De Luca couldn’t help but joke
about the low life expectancy of studio
chiefs in a business that’s never been
more treacherous to navigate.
“We’ll try to keep this job for more
IN
IIN
INTHE
THE
than two years,” De Luca said, sharing
a private laugh with Abdy. The quip
didn’t make it into their final speech,
being too frank an assessment of the
dire situation facing an industry still
battered by a pandemic and shifting
IINFINITY
INFINITY
INFINITY
consumer habits.
Two years before, at CinemaCon,
De Luca and Abdy were handing out
different business cards. In 2020,
they were tapped to run film at MGM,
where they lined up buzzy projects
PPOOL
POOL
— to mixed results — such as Ridley
Scott’s “House of Gucci,” Joe Wright’s
musical flop “Cyrano” and Paul
Thomas Anderson’s “Licorice Pizza,”
before the studio sold to Amazon for
$8.5 billion.
“We thought of MGM as an opportu-
nity to test our theory about original
movies with signature filmmakers,
and supporting first-timers,” De Luca
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says. “The legacy studios seemed gun-
shy in taking original swings, and we
thought they were leaving a lot of tal-
ent and material on the table.”
DeLuca and Abdy would know. As
a young hot-shot production chief at
of the Hotel du Cap-Eden-Roc, Michael De Luca and Pam Abdy take in the view New Line in the 1990s, De Luca helped
of the rolling hills of Antibes. The sun beats down so fiercely on a lily-white discover the likes of David Fincher
tablecloth that the co-CEOs and co-chairpeople of the Warner Bros. Film Group and made “Austin Powers” into one
shield themselves with Gucci and Ray-Ban shades. They resemble the all-pow- of the most profitable comedy fran-
erful studio chiefs of yore — or at least their surroundings do. A lot has changed chises in history. He later produced
since the Golden Age of Hollywood: Jack Warner didn’t have two smartphones prestige adult dramas like “The Social
constantly buzzing, misconduct allegations involving “The Flash” star Ezra Miller Network” and “Captain Phillips,” land-
and cratering share prices to worry about. ing Academy Awards nominations
“It’s so competitive now,” De Luca says, looking out at the shimmering water. and selling plenty of movie tickets
“We all have to sing for our supper.” in the process. Abdy came to prom-
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“ROM-COMS, GANGSTER
FILMS, HORROR. IN 10
inence as a top production executive
at Paramount, and later worked at YEARS, WE’LL BE TOASTING
New Regency and Makeready, where
she shepherded auteur-driven films THE 200 MOVIES MIKE
such as Alejandro G. Iñárritu’s “The
Revenant,” Martin Scorsese’s “Shutter
AND PAM HAVE MADE.”
Island” and Adam McKay’s “The Big
Short.” Clearly, they know their way
around the Oscars and A-list talent.
Back at the du Cap, they’re inter- DAVID ZASLAV
rupted. The familiar face that crashes
our table isn’t an agent or an actor
— but someone far more powerful: hit “Joker” and its upcoming sequel insular world of show business sees
their new boss, Warner Bros. Discov- starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady itself) went nuclear, decrying Kilar’s
ery CEO David Zaslav, who stops by to Gaga. “But in recent years, the studio “self-dealing” and slamming him for
say that he’s going all-in on that theory kind of lost its way. To me, Mike and failing to engage it beforehand. Clearly,
they tried to institute at Amazon. In a Pam are a sign to everyone that War- the whole mess left a lot of artists
plain white T-shirt and a Warner Bros. ner Bros. is back on track. They have a feeling burdened and worried about
centennial hat, the CEO snaps a photo deep respect for what we do.” working with the studio — including
of his film chiefs being interviewed, Christopher Nolan, who took his next
like a doting dad at an amusement project, “Oppenheimer,” across the
park. Zaslav says he expects a diverse or generations, Warner street to Universal. Abdy, all business
slate of films from De Luca and Abdy: Bros. had been the gold at the du Cap, says she and De Luca “are
“Romantic comedies, gangster films, standard when it came to through the worst of it.”
horror, tentpoles, the gamut,” he says. nurturing top filmmak- De Luca and Abdy say they weren’t
None of these movies, he continues, ers like Phillips. It’s where looking for such a plum gig when the
will be made for streaming only, but Clint Eastwood was given the license Warners job came available. Largely
will instead receive theatrical releases to move from action flicks like “Dirty unsure about how Amazon wanted to
exclusively. “See you back here in 10 Harry” to directing contemplative dra- “relate” to MGM after the acquisition,
years,” says Zaslav, in Cannes for the mas like “Mystic River” and “Million “we said all the best to them and started
premiere of the racy HBO series “The Dollar Baby,” where art-house favorite talking about launching a production
Idol.” “We’ll be toasting the 200 movies Christopher Nolan was entrusted with company. Then Zaslav called,” De Luca
that Mike and Pam have made.” the “Batman” franchise, and where remembers. Zaslav was looking to
There’s a bit of irony to this scene. In actor Ben Affleck was allowed to move make a change, ushering out 30-year
the past 14 months, Zaslav has been an behind the camera to Oscar-winning WB veteran Toby Emmerich as film
industry disruptor since he finalized effect with “Argo.” chief last June and replacing him with
Discovery’s acquisition of Warner Bros. But that legacy imploded in the new blood. For De Luca and Abdy, that
Just last week, his vision for a new, less early days of the pandemic when meant inheriting a movie studio that
partisan (and passionate) CNN seem- Kilar, who ran the now defunct War- came in fourth place in terms of market
ingly backfired with the humiliating nerMedia, decided to debut the entire share in 2022. Their mission is not only
ousting of the network’s CEO Chris 2021 Warner Bros. film slate on HBO to deliver hits for movie theaters, but to
Licht. At the film studio, however, his Max. His reasons were complicated. flex some of their career-defining taste
move to install the respected duo of COVID had forced cinemas to close for to restore the luster to Warner Bros.
De Luca and Abdy has provided some months, and even when they were able Already, the pair have greenlit eight
much-needed stability. to reopen, moviegoers were wary of movies at a studio that, like all of Hol-
After yet another corporate merger returning. lywood, has had to face two words that
and a shocking upheaval of the way At the time, WarnerMedia, under are poison to the industry’s penchant
movies are typically released (cue then-owner AT&T, was trying to bol- for excess: cost cutting. They’ve been
Jason Kilar’s ill-fated two years as ster a streaming service that had able to pony up big money for an adap-
WarnerMedia CEO), De Luca and Abdy launched during the public health tation of the ubiquitous mobile game
are banking on their deep ties to A-list crisis. But it’s how Kilar announced Minecraft, starring Aquaman himself,
filmmakers to make Warner Bros. a the decision publicly in the press, Jason Momoa, as well as enlist Tim
destination for artists again. with nary a word to stars and pow- Burton to revive his demented pol-
“I’ve been at Warner Bros. for a long erful agents who had brokered deals tergeist comedy with “Beetlejuice 2.”
time, because it’s the best studio in exclusively for theatrical releases, that At the same time, they’ve splurged
the world for filmmakers,” says Todd outraged the artistic community. The on splashy talent packages, a new spy
Phillips, director of the billion-dollar town (make no mistake, that’s how the thriller for Angelina Jolie and Halle
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whose mantra is “Let’s give people first conversations with Zaslav they my heart is ‘Cyrano.’ I loved it, but I
white-glove treatment and get that suggested they spin off DC Studios admit it didn’t work.”
repeat business.” into a separate entity, as Disney did
But those gloves can get dirty. In with Marvel. To that end, “Guardians
the current moviemaking landscape, of the Galaxy” director James Gunn e Luca and Abdy are
many productions are in limbo in and producer Peter Safran took the more approachable
the wake of the writers strike, and DC mantle last year. than your average Hol-
sets could shut down entirely if the “I think James has such a vision for lywood bigwigs. “She’s
actors union officially joins the Writ- these characters. He lives and breathes a Jersey girl; he’s a
ers Guild of America on the picket them,” De Luca says. Brooklyn guy,” Zaslav says of his newly
lines next month. Beyond labor ten- When it comes to what kinds of minted studio chiefs. “You’re not going
sions, the theatrical box office is still projects excite them, the pair shy away to find two more real people.”
clawing out of the crater left by the from what Abdy calls “executive-led Abdy and De Luca are East Coast
pandemic. Consumer habits keep development,” where junior film exec- Italians at their core. They talk about
shifting as studios change how and utives and hungry writers “want to food with the same fervor as they dis-
where movies are released. Over the do well and follow instructions.” She cuss the films they make, and brag
course of COVID, theatrical windows concludes, “You end up with these about finding the best pizza in France
— the industry term for the amount scripts that don’t have a controlling during Cannes (it was a hole-in-the-
of time movies appear exclusively filmmaker vision at the center.” wall called Mammas in the town of
in cinemas — shrank dramatically But here’s the catch: Respecting Juan-les-Pins).
as more films did away with the big filmmakers and giving them free- At home on the Warners lot, they
screen altogether in favor of stream- dom and financial support can lead share an office. Abdy takes her posi-
ing debuts. to great movies, it’s true. It does not, tion at a standing desk, with De Luca
All that experimentation has failed however, always result in big hits. sitting nearby — and four smart-
to satisfy investors. In fact, Wall That was certainly the case when De phones forming a porous barrier
Street has grown disenchanted in Luca and Abdy ran MGM. “Cyrano,” between them. “I really feel like we
recent months with the economics an attempt to reimagine the classic get much more done,” says Abdy. “If
of streaming, believing that launch- love story as a musical starring Peter he’s on a call with someone and I owe
ing streaming services has cost too Dinklage, raked in all of $6.4 million them an answer, I just yell across the
much money and produced too few in domestic box office receipts. “Lic- office. It works for us.”
profits. No media company has been orice Pizza” managed to score MGM Their slate is still taking shape, and
left unscathed, with share prices drop- its first Best Picture Oscar nomina- many of the movies they’ve greenlit
ping across the sector — Warner Bros. tion in more than 30 years, but it still won’t hit theaters until 2024 at the
Discovery’s stock has plunged nearly lost tens of millions of dollars. In fact, earliest. In the meantime, they’ll
50% since the merger in 2022. And that most of the movies that De Luca and spend this summer shepherding
selloff has spurred waves of layoffs Abdy backed at MGM failed to turn a “Barbie” and “Meg 2: The Trench”
and cost cutting around Hollywood. profit (the notable exceptions being — high-profile projects that were
Economizing means sacrifice, evident “No Time to Die,” “Creed III” and the started in the previous WB regime.
when I spotted Abdy in the Southwest Channing Tatum drama “Dog”). Greta Gerwig, who co-wrote and
Airlines queue headed to Las Vegas De Luca argues that the box office directed “Barbie,” praises De Luca and
from L.A., pulling her own carry-on. was hobbled by the pandemic. “We Abdy for making her feel supported
Typically, studio heads fly private jets were releasing movies in between throughout production on her $100
that are fired up before they’ve even variants,” he says. Looking wistful, million movie. “I’ve never done a sum-
closed out their presentations with though, he adds, “The one that breaks mer movie. Usually, I’m playing a cou-
“Good night, CinemaCon!”
And so Hollywood has changed
course yet again, with Warner
Bros. Discovery announcing that
its film group will no longer make
straight-to-streaming movies. “Not
only do we want to open more
motion pictures, but our theory
is that we’ve got to leave them “IF HE’S ON A CALL WITH
in theaters as long as possible,”
Zaslav says.
SOMEONE AND I OWE
One set of movies that the two exec-
utives won’t have to worry about are
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ple festivals and hope someone buys respect for the writers strike.) it can goose theatrical marketing
the film,” she says. She was particu- The centerpiece of a week on the include HDTV’s pitch to make a full-
larly touched that Emmerich, De Luca lot is Zaslav’s direct reports meeting, scale Malibu dream house to promote
and Abdy all came to her L.A. location not at the du Cap but in a conference Warners’ upcoming “Barbie.” Later
shoot in a show of solidarity. “Every- room attached to Jack Warner’s office this year, they say, Food Network
one was on the same team of making (where Zaslav sits when in Los Ange- will go all-in on chocolate-themed
good movies. It was like having two les). When Discovery took control programming tied to the release of
sets of grandparents,” Gerwig says. of Warner Bros., Zaslav “de-layered” Chalamet’s “Wonka.”
De Luca and Abdy also committed the studio, Abdy says — removing The new realities of the movie busi-
to changing the culture at Warner the Byzantine structure that existed ness became clear to De Luca and
Bros. by hosting movie nights with under Kilar, which had Ann Sarnoff, Abdy with the release of one of their
preeminent filmmakers. “After the Warner Bros. chairwoman, running first big movies, “Don’t Worry Dar-
AT&T years, everyone felt a bit of bat- the show across different entertain- ling,” which they’d inherited. When
tered child syndrome,” De Luca says. ment entities. the sci-fi allegory premiered at Venice
“We have one of the best film librar- “It’s like Knights of the Round Table,” last August, its director, Olivia Wilde,
ies in existence, so we started inviting De Luca says, “It’s us, Casey Bloys, was overtaken by bad press about her
our filmmakers to come and choose Channing Dungey, JB Perrette from dating Harry Styles, one of her stars,
a movie that inspires them and talk streaming and games, and so on. It’s and feuding with the leading lady,
about it with our staff.” like a big family dinner.” Florence Pugh.
On any given night, visitors to Abdy thinks the new structure is How did it feel to be in the middle of
the lot have come to see Luhrmann most efficient in “how we talk about such a Hollywood hurricane?
discuss “Rebel Without a Cause,” each other’s talent. If there’s some- “That was just a bad PR head wind,”
George Clooney stop by to screen “All thing our people are interested in De Luca says. “I found it a little sex-
the President’s Men,” Andy Muschi- on the TV side, if someone wants ist because if a male director had a
etti share “Superman” and — surprise to make a reality show, we can have romance with someone on his cast?
— Nolan wax poetic about “Chariots those conversations in a way I don’t It happens all the time; no one cares.”
of Fire.” (The program has been think happened before.” Abdy sighs, adding, “It’s an age-
temporarily suspended out of Examples of that synergy and how old story.”
Heléne Yorke
and Drew
Tarver, the
hilarious
brother-sister duo
from ‘The Other
Two,’ navigate
the hardships of
Hollywood
in another
season of
their beloved
Max comedy
By
Ethan
Shanfeld
VARIETY
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IT’S
Together, Yorke and Tarver form the over-
looked brother-sister duo referenced in the
title of Max’s “The Other Two,” which, as the
third season heads toward its June 29 finale, has
become the most incisive Hollywood satire on
television. From former “Saturday Night Live”
head writers Chris Kelly and Sarah Schneider,
NOT
the series follows millennial siblings Brooke and
Cary Dubek as they struggle to find their footing
in New York City, all while being overshadowed
by their 13-year-old brother, Chase (Case Walker),
whose surprise hit single turns him into a Bieber-
esque pop phenom. That feeling of inadequacy is
compounded in Season 2, when their mom, Pat,
played by Molly Shannon, becomes a daytime TV
star not unlike Ellen DeGeneres.
In Season 3, Cary, an actor, finally works his way
LONG
up to C-list celebrity status, while Brooke, after
talent managing her famous family members,
decides to leave the industry to “do good.”
“Cary and Brooke were always struggling, fall-
ing on their face, not getting what they wanted,”
Tarver says. “This season is exploring: ‘Hey, you’re
getting what you wanted, and you’re still not ful-
filled. Technically, you should be happy right now.’”
“I myself went through that during pandemmy
times,” Yorke says. “I was like, ‘I’m an actor. I don’t
do anything but sit around and make self-tapes
and whine about myself. I’m doing nothing that
after I request a quiet table in the back, reporter’s notebook and tape recorder in
helps anybody. I’m not doing the good work.”
hand, that the hostess of this rustic East Village trattoria asks who I’m meeting. Sitting shoulder to shoulder, the co-stars
behave like real-life siblings. Yorke, in a blue
When I tell her Drew Tarver and Heléne Yorke, her eyes light up in recognition
baseball cap advertizing “Nora Ephron’s Bread
before she begins listing other stars who frequent the restaurant: Ben Stiller; Pudding,” ribs Tarver about his new car (“Do you
Tyler, the Creator; Emily Ratajkowski; Ziwe. As I scan the menu, she recom- think you’re a dick-swinger now that you have a
Tesla?”). And when Tarver fusses over the spici-
mends the chicken Milanese — Pete Davidson’s favorite entrée. ¶ This interac- ness of his chicken sandwich, Yorke rolls her eyes
tion might sound celebrity-obsessed, verging on grossly superficial. But then and says: “Give me a bite of this!”
Tarver, who lives in Los Angeles, is visiting New
again, I’m about to sit down with the stars of “The Other Two,” the hilarious and York to promote “The Other Two” with Yorke,
scathing satire of how fame consumes, corrupts and confines us. ¶ Not long who lives with her husband and 1-year-old son
in Brooklyn. They’ve had more luck on this press
after we’re all seated, Yorke says with a hearty laugh, “Being an actor is, in many tour than Cary, whose fame-seeking has become
ways, a humiliating experience.” ¶ We’re not yet five minutes into our inter- so intense in Season 3 that in one episode, he trav-
els across town for an interview with TheBrook-
view, and she and Tarver are already lynBurrito.com, which ends up being a mental
diving deep into the mini hardships health facility treating those desperate enough
to travel across town for an interview with The-
of Hollywood: Waking up at 5 a.m., BrooklynBurrito.com.
recycling answers at virtual press Tarver’s own introduction to Hollywood is
scarily close to his character’s. In fact, it started in
junkets, avoiding parts that require a 2003, when his younger sister, singer-songwriter
certain number of Instagram follow- Katelyn Tarver, competed in a short-lived “Amer-
ican Idol” spinoff called “American Juniors,”
ers. “A lot of people who have aspi- hosted by Ryan Seacrest.
rations in this business think it’s all “Growing up in Georgia, the thought of being
an actor was preposterous,” Tarver says, a slight
about fame and going to fancy stuff,” twang in his voice suddenly evident. “But her
Yorke continues. “But everybody is doing that made me realize a career in entertain-
ment was possible. I was like, ‘OK, my sister sings,
just hungry and bloated, has a cramp
P. 40 and is holding a fart.”
and I’m medium-funny at a barbecue.’” When
Katelyn went to New York to record an album,
means money. Is this a gross way to talk about it?”
For the stars of “The Other Two,” the goal is not
to break the box office or turn heads when they
walk into every restaurant (although they admit
it feels good that the hostess watches the show).
Yorke and Tarver say they’re more focused on
working with people they admire and finding
projects that inspire them.
“To be here, talking about a show that people
love is such a pleasure,” Yorke says. “I didn’t have
some raging success in my 20s. I’m proud to be in
Tarver, then 18, tagged along and started taking
something that’s great.”
classes at the Upright Citizens Brigade. Soon after,
Before the check comes, I ask if either of them has
he moved to L.A. to pursue comedy.
any particularly humiliating showbiz memories.
Raised in Los Angeles, Yorke studied theater
Tarver pauses. “My dad was an onion farmer,”
at the University of Michigan before working
he says, laughing before he can even get the story
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her way up to New York productions of “Bul-
out, as Yorke shakes her head in disbelief that he’s
lets Over Broadway” and “American Psycho.” “I
digressing to his childhood, rather than his life
never thought fame was available to me,” she says.
“When I was in school for theater, I just wanted to
be famous enough to meet Prince William.” She
pauses, folding a slice of prosciutto pizza. “This
is when he was hot.”
Both Yorke, 38, and Tarver, 37, have dozens of
television roles under their belts, from early gigs
as Hooters Girl and Homeless Gang Member #2,
respectively, to substantial roles in “Masters of
Sex” and “Bajillion Dollar Propertie$.” But “The
Other Two” marks the biggest moment of each of
their careers. Debuting in 2019 on Comedy Cen-
tral, the series then moved to HBO Max, steadily
growing an audience of comedy fans and the very
type of industry insiders the show satirizes. That
includes the cast members themselves.
“When you’re being a little bit dumb about
something, you immediately stop and realize,
‘Oh, we’re making fun of me,’” Yorke says. “Some-
times my own husband goes, ‘You gotta be careful
— you’re really being a Cary Dubek.’”
That the actors find themselves slipping into
the tendencies of their characters is a testament
to the series’ firm grip on its subject matter. “The
Other Two” captures a contemporary kind of suc-
cess, where actors spend their days in Zoom wait-
ing rooms, self-taping and scrolling themselves
to sleep while searching for praise on Twitter.
Chase, once a bright-eyed young singer, has been
reduced to a mere conduit for brand deals and
celebrity partnerships. In one Season 3 episode,
his publicist, played brilliantly by Wanda Sykes,
admits to inciting the Jan. 6 Capitol riot to distract
from Chase’s apparently terrible album released Yorke and Tarver in
the same day. Unlike, say, “Entourage,” the show “The Other Two”
doesn’t depict “making it” as all that fun.
“Fame is a prison,” Yorke says. “You’re removed
from humanity in a way that breaks your brain. in Hollywood. “During the summer, there was a
Really famous people forget how to be humans.” convention, and me and my sister were going to
Of course, Tarver and Yorke still maintain a dress up like onions and be in front of his booth
certain amount of privacy. But they’ll be the first like, ‘Come buy Daddy’s onions!’” Throwing up jazz
to admit that even modest fame “fucks with your hands, he imitates his younger self with an Oompa
sense of who you are.” “You think of yourself as Loompa-like inflection. “I thought I wanted the
less of a human being and more like something spotlight. The day of, I got in the onion suit and
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you’re selling,” Yorke says. “That’s what’s hard started bawling. I wouldn’t go out.”
about being an actor — you’re just selling, selling, Tarver eyes Yorke in anticipation of a snarky
selling yourself.” response, and, on cue, she puts down her pizza.
That mentality of constantly fighting for shelf “It’s funny that it was an onion suit and you
space, Yorke adds, can seep into an actor’s self- started crying.”
esteem. “You get to a point where you want parts “It mimics what we do now,” Tarver says, ignor-
and they’re out to people who just got nominated ing her, “which is ‘Look at me, look at me, look at
for an Oscar,” she says. “And you’re like, ‘What me!’ And then — ‘Ooh! Do I want this?’”
I’ve done will never be enough.’ Margot Robbie VARIETY “Speak for yourself, Drew,” Yorke says, snapping
can read ‘Barbie’ and be like, ‘I want this to get into character with an exaggerated hair toss. “I
made.’ And it will get made because her name 06.14. 23 love it.”
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AWARDS CIRCUIT
The
Director
Emmy voters have the chance to reward several prominent helmers with nominations for the first time.
Meanwhile,‘The Secrets of Hillsong’ grapples with a difficult search for the truth
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When former Hillsong pastor and Vanity Fair Studios, “The cipitated closer examinations at the first flashback he had to his
Carl Lentz first sits down in the Secrets of Hillsong” is the second the seemingly glamorous mega- former life. But it’s also the flash
chair to be interviewed for FX’s doc to focus on Hillsong — but the church, which had been long forward, too, like what’s he going
docuseries “The Secrets of Hill- first to land interviews with Lentz shielding its superstars from to say in order to start to walk
song,” he lingers in silence for a and his wife, Laura. criticism — much of which came back all of these things that he’s
long moment. Nearly impercep- Lentz, whose charisma and internally from volunteers, who done and been a part of that were
tible tears well up in his eyes. “I force of personality charmed witnessed what they call abuses really not great. And I think that’s
really don’t want to mess up my thousands of churchgoers during of power from leadership. what that moment really signifies
TV makeup,” he says. his time at Hillsong — including “He hadn’t worn TV makeup in the documentary.”
The four-part docuseries de - celebrities like Justin Bieber — since he was last at Hillsong,” Besides the husband-and-wife
tails the downfall of the mega- was ousted from his post as lead director Stacey Lee told Variety as duo, Lee interviewed over 50
church and, particularly, Lentz, Director Stacey pastor in 2021 after Ranin Karim, part of “Doc Dreams,” presented people for the series, including
who serves as one of the main Lee isn’t sure a jewelry designer, announced by National Geographic. “That former members of Hillsong,
whether Carl Lentz
focal points for the first two epi- was being truthful that she and Lentz had been hav- moment of him sitting in that who recounted their often-
sodes. Produced by Scout Prods. in their interviews. ing an affair. Lentz’s downfall pre- chair was not only a flashback, traumatizing experiences in the
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“It was an opportunity for us to she could. The Hillsong story was
ask the questions that so many still developing as she and her again to ensure that that vulnerability, that
congregants are still wondering team filmed and edited, and as trust was on it.” — Stacey Lee
FX
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James Ponsoldt
Best-known for films like “The
Spectacular Now” and “The End of
the Tour,” Pondsoldt brought his
brand of dramedy to Apple TV+’s
new therapy series “Shrinking”
for the pilot, fourth and fifth epi-
sodes. It also never hurts to pop
up elsewhere on the ballot, which
could happen for Pondsoldt. He
directed the first half of Ama-
zon’s rock-and-roll limited series
“Daisy Jones & the Six.”
Nzingha Stewart
Speaking of “Daisy Jones & the
Six,” it was no easy task ending the
decades-spanning story on a sat-
isfying note. But Stewart rose to
the occasion with “Track 8: Looks
Like We Made It.” Her background
of directing music videos for the
Top of the Rookie Class likes of Jay-Z and Missy Elliott and
recent episodic work on Netflix’s
“Maid” and “Inventing Anna”
made her an excellent choice for
bringing this music saga — and
possibly Emmy gold — home.
Christopher Storer
The tone and the tension at the
root of FX’s category-defying
A look at hot helmers who may harvest their first Emmy hardware this year By Hunter Ingram series “The Bear” begins with
Storer’s direction in the pilot epi-
The Emmy race has never been she’s helmed episodes of Max’s Rian Johnson sode. As showrunner and creator,
more crowded for those working “Tokyo Vice.” But “Beef” serves as Peacock’s “Poker Face” isn’t John- Storer helmed more than half the
behind the camera on TV’s most an undeniable pronouncement of son’s first foray into television. first season and understood the
acclaimed series. what’s to come. The Oscar nominee helmed one kind of environment he needed to
While these directors below of TV’s most-lauded episodes build inside the kitchen. And then
have never won Emmys, their Peter Hoar with “Breaking Bad’s” penulti- he executed it with the precision
work on this year’s juggernaut Fresh off directing Max’s “It’s a mate outing “Ozymandias.” But he of a master chef.
dramas, side-splitting comedies Sin,” Hoar helmed “Long, Long wasn’t nominated for an Emmy,
and affecting limited series could Time,” the third episode of HBO’s making his work on “Poker Face’s” Jon Watts
change that come September. freshman hit “The Last of Us” — pilot episode the perfect chance Watts took a break from deliv-
possibly the most-loved episode for voters to recognize him. ering some of Marvel’s most
Hikari of television this year. The fea- successful theatrical hits — the
The titular “Beef” between Amy ture-length outing tells the Clare Kilner last three “Spider-Man” films
(Ali Wong) and Danny (Steven sweeping tale of Bill (Nick Offer- As only the second woman to — to direct the pilot of FX’s Jeff
Yeun) in Netflix’s hit limited man) and Frank (Murray Bartlett), direct an episode within the Bridges-led drama “The Old
Andrew Cooper/Netflix
series wouldn’t be as raw if not who find love in the aftermath of hallowed halls of the “Games of Man.” While it has been nearly a
for Hikari’s direction in the pilot the mushroom apocalypse. In Thrones” franchise, Kilner makes year since the series premiered,
episode. Relatively unknown to “Beef,” starring the thick of it, Hoar’s delicate but a commanding debut behind the Watts’ taut direction, coupled
many audiences, Hikari’s shorts Ali Wong and assertive direction drew resound- camera for three of the most con- with his name recognition in the
Steven Yeun, could
and feature have played film fes- lead to Hikari’s ing praise that could earn him sequential episodes in “House of industry, firmly places him as an
tivals like Berlin and Tribeca and first Emmy. a nomination. the Dragon’s” freshman run –– the Emmy contender.
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“Barbie” looks to goose the global box office when Warner Bros. releases the anticipated title, starring Simu Liu, Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling, in July.
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called Cinema Revolution, under “Room of Miracles” and Italian executive VP of content, Steven Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy
which cinema tickets will be half- vampire comedy “Un matrimo- Gaydos, during which he will talk WEB: filmingitalysar-
price for a limited time. nio mostruoso.” about his Sardinian roots. His degnafestival.it
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REVIEWS
The Flash
By Owen Gleiberman
FILM REVIEW
Director: Andy Muschietti
Nora (Maribel Verdú), who was has just landed on Earth? Look, it’s older Barry regaining deserved better, and so do we.
CREDITS: A Warner Bros. Pictures release of a Double Dream/Disco Factory production. Producers: Barbara Muschietti, Michael Disco. Executive producers: Toby Emmerich, Walter Hamada, Galen Vaisman, Marianne Jenkins. Director: Andy Muschietti. Screenplay: Chris-
tina Hodson. Camera: Henry Braham. Editors: Jason Ballantine, Paul Machliss. Music: Benjamin Wallfisch. MPA Rating: PG-13. Running time: 144 MIN. Cast: Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton, Sasha Calle, Michael Shannon, Ron Livingston, Maribel Verdú, Kiersey Clemons, Jeremy
Irons, Antje Traue
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resists the impulse to justify its Dorff’s Vance who’ve had to work Adam DeVine, styles and points of view. gregant as any in the Gemstone
grandeur with dramatic or tragic for the role the Gemstones inher- Danny McBride To fans of “The Righteous Gem- Salvation Center.
elements. The Gemstones are not ited. McBride’s ability to attract and Edi Patterson stones,” these subplots might CREDITS: Executive producers: Danny McBride, Jody Hill,
star in “The David Gordon Green, John Carcieri, Jeff Fradley, Brandon
the Roys, forced to confront the top-tier talent for relatively small Righteous sound familiar. Last season, too, James. 30 MIN. Cast: Danny McBride, Adam Devine, Edi
Patterson, John Goodman, Cassidy Freeman, Tim Baltz,
emotional poverty beneath their parts continues to pay dividends; Gemstones.” featured a figure from Eli’s past Tony Cavalero, Greg Alan Williams, Skyler Gisondo
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of “Drag Race All Stars,” before iconic. This has never been the sit-
bowing out in May. She can now uation where the person hosting
be seen competing on the Fame and grilling the girls is going to be
Games segment in episodes of on the runway.
“RuPaul’s Drag Race Untucked” • What’s the biggest difference
on Peacock, in which the elimi- between “All Stars” versus a
nated queens show the looks regular season? On a regular iarity that I felt with them and the the day, it’s just a competition, so
they would have worn, and fans season, it’s a possibility that you Latino representation — pretty that allows us to be honest with
vote for a winner. While she was might know someone. Coming much half the cast — and that each other. So it’s not a kumbaya
absent from fans’ screens, she around to “All Stars,” I pretty much made me excited. season; there’s definitely drama.
was busy hosting “RuPaul” view- knew everyone. Right off the bat, • What queen did you form a You have a lot of people who left
ing parties at the renowned Ros- you can sense the great, creative, new friendship with? Before I their seasons early, such as myself,
coe’s Tavern in Chicago, but she strong energy in the room. Every- got there, I thought, “If this loud- Jaymes Mansfield and Kahanna
tells Variety that she’s ecstatic to one was here for that redemption mouth bitch Kandy Muse is there, Montrese, and I think we are going
be back on TV. this time, so that energy is com- I’m going to let her have it.” Then to surprise the audience with how
• What was it like coming back pletely different. we ended up being really good talented the girls are. You should
for “All Stars”? Before being on • Who were you most shocked friends. I absolutely love and never define any of these queens’
“Drag Race,” I was a fan of the show. to see when you walked into the adore her. talent by their placement, and
Then I got on, and you continue to workroom? I wouldn’t say that I • What are two things fans that is really going to reflect on
be a fan. You’re just more in tune was shocked to see anyone, but aren’t going to be expecting the season.
with what the girls go through I was excited to see Jessica Wild this season? Everyone on this • Describe “All Stars” Season
because you’ve been through and Monica Beverly Hillz. The season loves and cares about each 8 in three words. Unpredictable,
it. I host a viewing party at this excitement came from the famil- other. We know that at the end of climactic, eclectic.
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