A N O RAL B I O G R A P H Y

George LeRoy Hawley

A N O RAL B IOGRAPHY

This narrative is a transcription of

recorded interviews between George
LeRoy Hawley and George LeRoy
Hawley Jr conducted in December
1999 and June 2001.

I joyfully present my father George

LeRoy Hawley, “so others will know.”
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The following collection is about my father and namesake

George LeRoy Hawley. Born August 9, 1923 in Garrison,
Kansas, he is an eleventh generation descendant of Joseph
Hawley. Joseph came to the United States from Derbyshire,
England in approximately 1629. If all were known, I’m sure
we would be amazed at the diverse stories he and the rest of
our forefathers would tell. From the struggles of establishing
roots in the northeast to defining ourselves as a frontier na-
tion, our descendants helped establish and shape the society
we live in today. Unfortunately, most of these stories are lost
forever.
It is my hope and prayer that the current and future genera-
tions will benefit from the following narrative about George
LeRoy Hawley. Based on interviews with him at his home in
Lacombe, Louisiana on December 22, 1999 and June 21,
2001, the following is presented for the benefit of all Haw-
ley’s with his permission.

Respectfully,
George LeRoy Hawley Jr.

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Hawley Coat of Arms

Transcript of Taped Interviews
Tape 1A
Tape 1B
Tape 2A
Tape 2B
Tape 3A
Tape 3B
Tape 4A
News From The Past
Biography of Joseph Hawley
Hawley Genealogy
Genealogy Timeline

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 Transcript of Taped Interview

The following is a transcription of taped interviews between George LeRoy Hawley and
George LeRoy Hawley Jr. conducted on December 22, 1999 and June 21, 2001. Both inter-
views took place at his residence in Lacombe, Louisiana. In the transcript, “G” represents
George Jr. and “Sr” represents my father George LeRoy Hawley.

Tape Side 1A

G: When is your birthday?

Sr: August 9, 1923
G: And where were you born?
Sr: Garrison, Kansas
G: And if I was to go to Garrison, Kansas right now, what would I find?
Sr: About 85 feet of water where Garrison used to be.
G: Why is that?
Sr: Because of the - I think it’s the Rocky Ford Dam - built by the Corps of Engineers
supposedly. And Garrison is right down along the Blue River and the backwater
from the dam covered up what little town there was there. When we lived there there
was 120 - I think 125 - people was the extent of the population and five of us moved
out of there so that cut it down some. Garrison was a little town for most of the
retired farmers who lived around there.The last time I checked was - I’m going to
say around ’88 - Ruth and I was going through there and we wanted to go to the
cemetery where Grandpa Tilton and the whole family from that area were buried.
We went to the courthouse and they told us there was one lot left in the town of
Garrison and that was up on the side of a good-sized hill. But we found the cemetery
and we located Grandpa Tilton and a whole bunch of them that were buried there.
G: Now, in Garrison, in that area - did everybody relocate to another specific area? Did
the Corps of Engineers buy out everybody and relocate them?
Sr: I don’t know how they worked it because I wasn’t there when it happened but I
think - well I know that everybody moved out. Now under what circumstances I
don’t know and I think they bulldozed most of the stuff and the trees.
G: Was Garrison a very big place?
Sr: No, Garrison was small.
G: Do you know if it had its own courthouse or anything like that?
Sr: No. The courthouse is, I think, at Westmoreland. That’s where we went to find out
about Garrison.

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G: So, if it did have its own courthouse, the stuff from that courthouse or the original
courthouse was Westmoreland for that area?
Sr: I’m pretty sure that’s what it was, yes. That’s the only way we could track it down. I
didn’t know exactly where the cemetery was and we went to find out about it and they
give us directions to get there.
G: Where was Garrison or Westmoreland in relation to - just looking, thinking, visualizing
a map, where would it be?
Sr: Well, the nearest town of any size at all would be Manhattan, Kansas, which is a
college town. I don’t know which direction Garrison was from Manhattan. There was a
Fort Riley in the area but I think it was on the far side of Manhattan from Garrison.
That’s an old cavalry town. In World War II I think it was turned into a mechanized
cavalry. I don’t know a whole lot about it. I was only about seven - seven, eight years
old - when I was out in that area.
G: That was going to be my next question. What time did you leave Garrison? And from
Garrison, where did you move to?
Sr: We moved from Garrison area to Michigan when I was about three years old - make it
roughly 1926 - and then during the depression we moved back to - let’s see - we moved
back to Garrison, I believe, and from there we went to Gunnison, Colorado, and then
back to Garrison. Then over to St. Jo, Missouri.
G: What time periods? Like you went to Michigan. Do you know how long your parents
stayed there? And we’re talking about Grandma and Grandpa Hawley.
Sr: Grandpa and Grandma Tilton were there. Grandma and Grandpa Hawley weren’t there
at the time. They were from Colorado.
G: But you were born to Grandpa Hawley. Why weren’t you there with them?
Sr: Good question. There’s - how do I put this - Grandpa Hawley and Grandma Hawley
separated and Grandpa Hawley remarried and was out in Colorado. Grandma Hawley
married Grandpa Walder and they lived in Michigan when we lived there. Or came to
Michigan shortly after, I’m not sure about all of that, exactly how it worked. But we
made the loop, went to Gunnison, was out there about
a year, back to Garrison and I think we went to up
into Missouri whatever time I just told you. And there
we went back to Michigan, back into the same house
that we lived in when we lived there before.
G: And is that the house I recall on Hayes?
Sr: No, it’s on Stewart. It was on Stewart and Grandpa
Tilton and Grandma Tilton, that’s my mother’s
mother and dad, built a house - I got to think of the
direction - be South. Two places South, two lots
South of where we lived, they built a house.
G: Now, when you say “where we lived,” would that be Grandma and Grandpa Tilton
the 23611?
Sr: 23611

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G: Okay. So that would be going towards Teen and Eddie’s house or on the other side of
Appley’s house.
Sr: No, we’ll get to the Appley part in a minute. Grandpa and Grandma Tilton lived the
third lot South of where we lived. They built a house there. In between there was the
house that Fred - I think Fred Reeder built - no - Reeder was over on Hayes. First name
was Fred and Slagers lived. I’m trying to think of the name of the people that lived in
the house right next to us, between us and Fred.
G: Corine and Ray.
Sr: Well, eventually, At the time, yes. Corine and Ray later, during World War II, right
after World War II because he was in the Marine Corps for World War II. They lived
in there. Now, Grandpa and Grandma Walder which Grandma Hawley Walder,
Grandpa Walder married Grandma Hawley, okay? They lived where Appley’s lived.
They built that house. And there was two vacant lots North of our house to where they
lived, where they built their house.
G: I remember that.
Sr: What else - well, I went to the Aaron School in East Detroit.
Eventually wound up going through the first six grades in Aaron
School. And then went to all of the rest of the grades through
the twelfth grade was in East Detroit High School. And I
graduated from East Detroit High School.
G: What year was that?
Sr: Forty - ’42. Spring of ’42 cause I went - that was right after the
war started and I finished high school and then I enlisted in the
Navy. Graduation

G: Okay, I want to get to that but I want to go back. The house on Stewart - 23611 - which
is the house that I grew up in.
Sr: That’s right.
G: Who built that house?
Sr: That house my dad bought. When we first
moved to Michigan there was a four-room
house there on that property. That 23611
was a new number. I think the old number
was 400. Four rooms, roughly 24 by 24.
And then they built on to it and made it
larger. And after my folks moved over on
Hayes, when they moved on Hayes they
sold that place to Grandpa Walder and I
bought it from Grandpa Walder and I -
after I got out of the service, got married, you 23611 Stewart
kids were born, we were living in that 23611
place but I had built on to the back of it, made it larger. There was an old garage on the
next lot North that - the vacant lots between our house and Grandpa Walder’s house
belonged to my dad. There was our place, two vacant lots, then Grandpa Walder had a
vacant lot, and then their house was built on the next lot.

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 There was an old garage on the vacant lot, vacant to the extent there was no house. It
was the first lot North of that one the house was on. And I built a new garage out in
back on the same lot. I think it was all on the same lot as the house was on.
G: I’m not certain that I remember the old garage. I know I remember it at least in
photographs. And I know that it was torn. But I don’t remember if I’m remembering
seeing it tore down. If I was even born yet. But I know that it was there. Because I
remember the concrete slab that was still there. And that’s where the playhouse was for
a period of time.
Sr: Right out in front of it, yeah.
G: What was that garage used for?
Sr: Junk, mostly. It was in such condition that I tore it down; like never got it to fall down.
Had to pull it over with the car. (laugh) But it was an eyesore and I didn’t want it and it
wasn’t of any great use to me after I built that new garage. The new garage was a one-
car - car and a half they called it. And the old garage that I tore down was a two-car
garage. But it was, for all practical
purposes, worthless. So it had to go.
G: I was looking through some documents a
couple weeks ago. And it had your
wedding announcement. And it appeared
that the wedding was at the house on Hayes
and then the reception at Stewart?
Sr: Yes, that’s right.
G: Now who owned the house on Hayes at
that time?
Sr: Well my dad sold the house on Stewart. I
wound up owning it eventually. My dad,
when he sold it, moved on Hayes. I can’t
remember off hand the number - at that time
it was the first house on the left, yes, South
side of Nine Mile Road.
House on Hayes
G: I remember that house.
Sr: And that was on Hayes. They were living
there when I went in the Navy and that’s
where I went back to when I got out of the
Navy and we were married - Jackie and I
were married standing in front of the
fireplace at the house on Hayes. But the
reception was held over in my place - the old
place that my dad and mother owned on
Stewart - 23611 Stewart. The reception was held there. There wasn't a whole lot to
either one of them (laugh) the reception or - it’s all we could afford.
G: At one time you had six grandparents.
Sr: Six grandparents: Grandpa and Grandma Tilton was my mother’s mother and dad.
Grandpa Hawley and Grandma Hawley got a divorce and they both remarried.
G: To each other or to other people?
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Sr: To other people.
G: Okay. And Grandma and Grandpa Hawley, what was their first names so I can trace
them on geneology.
Sr: (laugh) I don’t know for sure.
G: Okay. Cecil Earl, though, for Granddad but you don’t know for Grandmother.
Sr: Well, Cecil Earl is my dad.
G: Right.
Sr: Okay. My mother was Sarah Frances Tilton.
G: Okay. Now are those the two that got divorced?
Sr: No.
G: Who was it that got divorced?
Sr: The ones that got divorced was - I think his name was
Oris - O-R-I-S - Oris Hawley (was actually Horace
Berry Hawley) lived in Colorado and Grandma Hawley
married George Walder. Grandpa Hawley - I don’t
know. He married a woman that was much younger -
actually younger than my dad.
G: So when you’re talking Grandpa you’re talking your George with Horace Berry Hawley
grandfather.
Sr: Mine - yeah
G: ...not your dad. That’s where I was getting
confused.
Sr: No, it would be your great.
G: Okay.
Sr: Okay. My grandparents, I had six of them.
Like I say, Grandpa and Grandma Tilton was
my mother’s parents. And we had Grandpa
Hawley and a step-Grandma Hawley.
G: And that’s where Uncle Herb came in.
Sr: Well, yeah, he was my dad’s half-brother. I don’t know Grandma and Grandpa Walders
what the other half was. (laugh) But then Grandpa
Hawley’s first wife married George Walder and these are all my grandparents. Your
great-grandparents. That’s the extent of that.
G: I was confused about that.
Sr: Well, I still am. (laugh) But you knew Herb and Doris. Probably much better than I
did. That would be my dad’s step - or half-brother.They still live out in Colorado but
they don’t live in Colorado Springs anymore. I’d like to stop by and see them. But I
don’t know if I ever will or not, but I’d like to.
G: As you were growing up, you said you moved around. Why were you moving around?

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Sr: Looking for some work for my dad.
G: Okay. So now we’re talking about Granddad - my
Granddad Cecil.
Sr: Cecil Earl Hawley yeah, your granddad. My dad.
G: And what was his typical occupation? Or did he have a
typical occupation?
Sr: Well, he was a farmer when he was in Kansas, and the
first three years (laugh) after I was born. He lost
everything so we moved to Michigan. Off the farm; he
had the whole section - 640 acres out of town from
Garrison. We moved to Michigan. It was bad years for
farmers.
Cecil and Sarah Hawley
G: When you say ‘he lost everything’, did he actually own the
640 acres or was he leasing it?
Sr: I don’t know. I’ve got my doubts about him owning. He was probably working on
shares or living in there working on shares, but I really don’t know. But then he moved
to Michigan and he worked with the Kaiser Coal
Company.
G: Was that in the Detroit area?
Sr: Well, it was in East Detroit - Nine Mile and Gratiot
G: So it was a coal area?
Sr: Oh, yeah. Kaiser’s - when my dad started working for
them, they had horses and wagons delivering coal. They
had old Godpherson trucks with solid rubber tires on them
delivering coal and building materials. Roofing and stuff
like that. And he worked for them and Jack Whitley,
which later become my father-in-law, worked for them.
Again, he worked in the yard. Jack Whitley was the yard
man at the East Detroit yard. Now they had another yard George with Jack Whitley
and Center Line - I think it was Center Line. Maybe it was
still in Warren. But over on Shanner - Shanner where M- 97 crosses - Shanner. There
was a coal yard in there and that was the big yard with the railroad hauling coal in to
them and stocking them with their coal. And you could get a little bit of coal in East
Detroit but if you wanted any amount - well, they had to come out of the big yard down
there.
G: And this coal is being used for heating residential houses?
Sr: Yeah. Mostly residential. Mostly residential. I don’t know - When I got married we had
a (laugh) coal-burning stove but we invited my dad and Jackie’s dad’s boss, Mr.
Kaiser, to the wedding reception and wedding. He came to the reception and he asked
me, “What are you burning in that thing, rocks?” And I said, “No, some of Kaiser’s
coal that we bought from them.” I said, “What do you burn?” He said, “Oh, I got a gas
furnace.” (laugh)
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Sr: No, no, no. This is strictly local Kaiser. As an example, I had a ’55 Plymouth that I
bought and he was driving Cadillacs and I asked him if he would trade. And he says:
“Well, you give me about five of them I’ll trade with you.” (laugh) No, they had
money, the Kaisers. Jewel, I think. Jewel Kaiser. I don’t know where it came from. I
graduated from high school in 1942 and I found a Kaiser Coal Company small calendar
with a picture on it of the 1942 - the year of 1942 that I graduated - I found that little
calendar. I’ve still got it here. And it just happened that the year that I found it, the
dates were identical. Dates and days were identical to the year - the year that I found it.
That year - we’ll say ’45 was identical to ’42 - it was much later than that. It was
probably in the’80s when I found it. I’ve got it - I think I’ve got it out in my shop out
there. And there’s only part of it there. The last part of the year. But I think we’re going
astray here someplace.
G: No, no. There is no astray here. (laugh)
Sr: I went to grade school, I told you about that. East Detroit High School. Graduated
in’42 and went into the Navy.
G: Before we get again into the military, let’s keep in the earlier years.
Sr: Okay. What else would you like to know?
G: Did you walk to school, did you ride your bike, horse? I mean, I don’t know what time
period this is.
Sr: No. Most of the time we had an hour for lunch and I’d go home for lunch. I’d run - it
was just a little over a mile from school to the house.
G: From ?
Sr: From where we lived on Stewart to where the school was over in East Detroit. And I’d
run all the way over and all the way back. And that’s how I got to school. In the
wintertime you could - a lot of times you could ice skate all (laugh) the way, right
down the road.
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Sr: When we originally moved on Stewart from Kansas there were just two car tracks
down from Nine to Nine and a Half Mile Road although somebody had put a sidewalk
in from Nine Mile to Nine and a Half Mile Road - no, to Doyle which is halfway. They
put the sidewalk half of that. And there was on the North side of Stewart or it was from
Nine Mile down there was one house at the corner and - corner of Nine Mile and
Stewart. Right on the corner was a apple orchard, then there was a house and that was
all vacant clear down to Doyle on that side of the road. Past Doyle, oh five or six
hundred feet, there was a big house there and had a well in the front yard. And on past
that there was the little house that Corine and Ray lived in, setting to the back of the lot
and our house setting up right next to it. Setting up 25-30 feet off the road. But there
was just the two car tracks. Then farther down towards - actually from there to Stevens,
which was Nine and a Half Mile Road, there was nothing. You could go out in the back
yard and hunt pheasants, shoot them off the back door step and do whatever you
wanted to. There was nothing for two blocks over. And on the South side of the road
from Nine Mile and Stewart down there was one, two houses, probably across - one of
them would be right across, straight across the street from the one on the North side of
the street. That was the only house on the South side down to Doyle cross street, then
from there to Nine and a Half Mile Road there was one old empty house. Didn’t
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 amount to much. But it was just an old empty house. Nobody lived in it. And that’s all
the houses on that side of the street. In the wintertime we could ice skate on frozen
water that stood out in the fields and the ditches and this and that.
G: I recall that at one time you said somebody lived in the house I recognize as the
Appley’s house next door to your house on Stewart. Who was it that lived there?
Sr: That was Grandpa Walder.
G: Grandpa Walder. Now I also recall through either being told or pictures or something
that there were dump trucks and stuff there.
Sr: That was my dad’s truck. Oh, now, this was later.
G: This is after you’ve been in the military?
Sr: Yeah. My dad had a old truck that we moved to Kansas, to Colorado, back to Kansas
and Missouri, back to Michigan in. Old ’28 Chevrolet flatbed.
G: Like a quarter ton, three-quarter ton, two ton or
Sr: No, it was small truck. Probably one ton. He had that. Grandpa Walder, that built the
house that Appley's finally wound up with, he was a stone mason. When he lived in St.
Jo, Missouri he did all of the stone work at the park there for the tunnels, for the little
train they had running around in the park. And
G: This is Grandpa Walders?
Sr: Grandpa Walder, yeah. He worked for years down at the lumberyard that was right
close to the Kaiser Coal Company on Shanner and M97. He worked there as a
millwright doing all of their building of stairs, window frames, wooden window frames
and all of that kind of stuff. He worked there for that. Summertimes and vacation I’d
go down there and work with him.
G: Now what time period are we talking right now? After you got out of the military?
Sr: No. I did that while I was still in high school. I graduated from high school in ’42.
Trying to think of what else is going on around there.
G: So those were not really business trucks?
Sr: No company truck, no. Eventually it evolved into the C. E. Hawley or Cecil - C. E. - C.
E. Hawley Sand and Gravel I think is the way it was on his dump truck. And at one
time he had four dump trucks. But this was later on. That would be during the war.
That’s the only place I know that my dad worked would be at Kaiser Coal Company or
for himself.
G: Prior to going into the military, can you think of one thing that just stands out in your
mind. A happy time or a sad time. Or an occasion just thinking of your childhood that
just pops up.
Sr: (laugh) Not really. During that time the way things were during that time there wasn’t a
whole lot to be real happy about. Everything was nose to the grindstone. I worked ever
since I was 12 years old.
G: Doing what?
Sr: Well, the next street over towards East Detroit there was a big greenhouse and he
raised his own plants. And I’d weed flower beds and everything else for a nickel an
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 whatever in school in order to buy my own clothes and help that much. And the other
kids did what they could, too. My brother and sister. They were both older than I was.
Not any smarter, but older. (laugh) But the - it was rough but it was fun, I guess. I used
to haul - well in the summertime I’d carry two five gallon cans, either from the big
house down the road there that had the pump in the front yard, haul wash water,
drinking water and everything.
G: A hand pump?
Sr: A hand pump, yeah. And the other hand pump was
two blocks straight North of us on Bowman. And in
the wintertime a lot of times I - if there was snow on
the ground or ice - I had an old wood sled that I had
made, or someone around there had made, and hauled
two five-gallon cans at a time of drinking water and
water for the washing and all that kinds of stuff. I’d
haul it on that sled. We eventually had a little well in
the front yard at our place that was only 16 feet deep.
G: When you say ‘our place,’ where are we now?
Sr: On 23611 Stewart. At that time I think it was probably
still 400 number. But for identification purposes its
23611...By the way, I still have those numbers off the house. 23611 with hand pump

G: Do you? (laugh)
Sr: When I moved South (laugh) Jack, Jr. went over and took them off the house and
mailed them to me. I’ve got them here some place in a box, my little numbers. I don’t
know - I belonged to the Rifle Club, Junior National ROTC while I was in high school.
Most of my time working would be - When I got old enough to where I could drive if
Kaiser Coal Company got - now I’m talking in the early ’40s, ’40, ’41, ’42 - while I
was still home, before I went in the Navy. If they had a bunch of small orders for a half
a ton of coal here and a half a ton of coal there, rather than to send a big truck out I’d
go down and use their pickup and deliver a half a ton. You could get it out of the
hopper to load it and when you get your half ton on it, then you either had to, if you
could back up to a basement window and shovel it right in or you had to haul it in a
wheelbarrow and dump it in. It’s all fun.
G: Oh, yeah.
Sr: Brawn, not brain. (laugh)
G: When you were in high school, what were your favorite subjects?
Sr: Oh, recess and lunchtime. Whatever. Rifle Club. I liked Shop. As far as regular
subjects, I always liked to read but I was in there mainly because I had to go and I
knew I had to go and I knew that I needed the education, (laugh) what little rubbed off
on me. But I graduated with an average average, I think a B and I didn’t spend the last
three months in school. When the war broke out I continued my education in East
Detroit High School by correspondence and went to Ft. Wayne and worked at the
military base there learning to be a parachute rigger. In fact, Terry was teaching me. He
was in the military, stationed there.
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Sr: Terry Impey, yes. My sister’s husband.
G: We’ll get back to that in a second. Did your sister and
brother both finish school, too? High school?
Sr: James, I don’t think he did. She did - my sister did. She
graduated probably a year before I did. I could look it up in
my school book.
G: So you went to Ft. Wayne, working in the parachute
rigging job.
Sr: Yes.
G: At that time was Maxine and Terry married yet?
Sr: Oh, yeah. He was in charge of the parachute loft there. Terry Impey and George Hawley

G: He was already in the Air Force?

Sr: Oh, yeah. Well, he was in before the war broke out. But
they were married, living there. And I stayed with them for
awhile until I could find a place. And I went out in the
country on a farm. Sorg, Joe Sorg. And I stayed with them
until - let’s see, how did that work out? Joe Judd and I went
down and enlisted before the summer vacation in ’41, to
report the first of September. To report back in to the
military for the first of September. What happened with me
- Joe went into the Seaman branch and spent 20 years as a
(laugh) submarine service. Came out as Chief Petty Officer.
But Terry put me through parachute school and this in a
way was a dirty trick. After putting me through parachute
school the Navy was after parachute riggers for Peru. Let’s
see, what was the name of that base? I think it was the U.S.
Naval Air Station of Peru, Indiana. Brand new station. One George with sister Maxine
big wet hole. They were - because I had just finished
parachute school, I got myself a Third Class rating as a parachute rigger.
G: Would that possibly have been Great Lakes?
Sr: No, no. It was not Great Lakes. I never got to Great Lakes until they sent me up there,
and I was discharged out of the hospital up there. They gave me a Third Class
Parachute Rigger rating and then I got in there and found out that the Navy (laugh)
packs their chutes just opposite from what the Army Air Force did. So that didn’t take
long to straighten that out.
G: At this time you’re still not enlisted yet, though?
Sr: I had enlisted before I was out of high school. But I didn’t report for duty until the first
of September in ’42. And they sent me - I never did go through basic. Sent me straight
down to Ft. Wayne and like I said, a mudhole. It was a brand new base. They had the
tarmac in. It’s a naval basic flight training, it’s what it was. They had some tarmac in.
No streets, no sidewalks, no heat in the barracks. (laugh) Our Chief Petty Officer was
shipped in, a young guy, he was a Chief but he had been in the service for 12 years, I
guess. He was from Boston. And they took me in as a parachute rigger and another
fellow. I was 19, I think. And Kinsey was 44. And he used to barnstorm. That’s how
much he knew about parachute rigging. He learned it from barnstorming. (laugh) And
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 he got a Third Class rate. So we were the two rated guys in there, other than the Chief.
Then they started shipping in seamen. Most of it local. Because the guys figured, ‘Oh,
they’re going to draft me’ so they run down and enlist for our station there. Somebody
put them through parachute school; they shipped them out. They came through one day
when we had a full group of riggers. I have snapshots of a lot of that stuff - 8 by 10s
government in that box of stuff that Jack or somebody’s got them, I don’t know. I don’t
have them anymore. They came in one day and wanted volunteers for sea duty. We
was just ready to graduate our first class. I was the only one of the bunch to volunteer
and I was the only one - me and Kinsey - he was out of it - 44 then. I volunteered for
sea duty. They wouldn’t take me because Kinsey and I were the only two instructors
we had except for our class that we were graduating. And we shipped all of them. They
took the whole mess of them, the whole class. And that’s when we first got Waves in
the Navy. They sent two Waves from California. They shipped them in there as riggers.
Third Class. By that time I had made Second Class. Where do you want to go from
here?
G: Did you know Mom at that time?
Sr: Did I know Mom? Well, now, let’s put it this way. Jackie’s dad and my dad had
worked together at Kaisers. Jack had three kids, two boys and a girl. Your mother was
one of the girls - was the girl. Now wait a minute - yeah. There’s Mary in there
someplace, too. Two boys and three girls ..there’s Jackie, Jack and Al and Mary and
later Ruthie.That was on your mother’s side. And then there’s Maxine and James on
my side. But you wanted to know when I knew her. Ever since she was probably three
years old. We went to school together. We went through high school together. She got
right up within six months of graduating and left school. Never did finish it. She
worked as an aircraft riveter at Bombay Door Rivet and Bombay Doors - I can’t
remember. It was a big airport over on the West side of Detroit. I got a name for it but I
can’t remember now. But she worked over there. We went to school - all the way
through school together. I was a grade ahead of her. I have two years. She was born in
’25; I was born in ’23. Her and Jack - I think she messed around and Jack caught up
with her in school. Her brother Jack. But we went all through school together. I
graduated; went in the service. She went out working as a riveter.
G: And how long were you in the Navy?
Sr: Not long enough. I went in - lets see, September ’42 and come out in December of ’44,
medical discharge. I had messed up my right foot and I guess they figured the cheap
way for them out was to get rid of me. We had some riggers (laugh) going by that time.
The only thing I’ve got left of my military uniform is my parachute rigger’s wings.
And when I first went in the Navy they didn’t have such a thing as parachute rigger’s
wings so the ones I’ve got is one of the first ones issue that came out. I still got them in
here. I got a pair of new ones, too, that I found at a garage sale not too long ago;
probably three or four years ago. But as far as uniforms, I don’t have anything left.
Used to wear them ice skating. They was warm in the wintertime. Navy blues.
G: So the whole time you were in the Navy you were at Ft. Wayne?
Sr: Until they shipped me to Chicago to the hospital because of that foot.
G: Because of the foot? And what did they have to do to your foot?
Sr: Right here on the side of the foot. In fact, I had the same thing on both feet but I said,
“No, you work on one foot and if that works then we’ll work on the other.” It didn’t
work. This bone sticking right in here on the side of your foot. It stuck way out.
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G: On your right foot?
Sr: Yeah. And that developed that way after I got in. Same on the other foot. What
happened, I don’t know. But at Peru, they opened that up and trimmed. That’s cartilege
in there. They trimmed it down. But it didn’t relieve any of the problem. So they didn’t
do anything to the other foot. They sent me to Great Lakes and Great Lakes decided
that the easiest way out for them was to get rid of me, I guess.
G: I just learned something new because I always thought that it was a medical discharge
but I thought it was because of your back; not your foot.
Sr: No, no, I never had any problem with my back until -
G: Sometime after I was born, I thought.
Sr: Well, I don’t know. I know I spent nine weeks in the hospital. And between your
mother and Chris Slager, one of them was there all the time. I spent one week in there
prepatory, getting me ready for surgery on my back and eight weeks on a striper frame
after surgery. One week knocked completely out. Well, foggy. I knew something was
going on, didn’t know what. But at the end of that week when they finally dug me out
of it, they let me get constipated and oh, that was fun! (laugh) Anyhow, I can
remember activities going on but I didn’t know what they heck they were. Apparently
there had been - I was in a ward of six people and there had been several of them who
went out dead. They didn’t make it. Whatever they was in there for, I don’t know.
G: You got out of the service. Then what did you do? Did you get married while you were
still in service?
Sr: No, I got married right after I got out of the service. I went to work for the Naval
Ordnance Plant for awhile. On Nine Mile and Mound I think it’s where it was at. And I
worked in the office there, shipping - the shipping office. They built 20 millimeter
cannons there and recoil mechanisms for larger guns. Like I say, I worked in the office
- the shipping office, shipping to the extent that when these things - items - were built
and were ready to be moved out, I had to take care of all the paperwork, routing them
from there to their destination by rail and see that the railroad cars got in and that the
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Sr: They shut down the Naval Ordnance Plant. That’s why I left there. I don’t know what
year it was. And I drove truck for my dad in between time and then in 1947 I went to
work for Chrysler’s. Started off in the tool crib. Worked there and then I got transferred
out on the line.
G: When during this period did you get married?
Sr: Got married January the something - 11th - January 11th, ’44.
G: ’44. Okay. So just after you got out of the service.
Sr: Yeah I was out of the service. I got out in December; we were married in January.
G: Okay. So you got out of the service in ’43, in December of ’43, and got married in
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Sr: I think so. I don’t know. I’ve got a certificate of - I never did get a regular discharge. I
got a Certificate of Discharge. And what I’ve got is mighty threadbare. War, war, war.
Folded up; it's in the steel box in there. I understood that I’d get a Certificate of
Discharge when I got out and a regular discharge at the end of my hitch but it never
showed up. So I never made any attempt to get it.
G: So you were married then and then you’ve had a couple of jobs. Now you’re up to like
’47 where you said you went to work for Chrysler.
Sr: Yeah. Georgine was born in ’44, Mary was born in ’46, Jack was born in ’48, Cecil
was born in ’50, and you was born in ’52.
G: So ’47 is when you started working in Chrysler
Sr: Well, I worked for Chrysler in ’47 at various plants; most of it Government work.
Naval Ordnance. I went from there into - with Chrysler. I think I worked at the tank
plant in Michigan - actually in Warren. And I worked there until - there’s something
lost someplace. Wait a minute. ’47, ’57. Okay. I worked for Chrysler for 11 years at the
- developing the missile. The first Redstone missile. I worked on every missile that
Chrysler ever built or built part of. Worked through until they shut down the missile
work and - I came down here in ’62 - August, ’62. I was laid off up there for 23 months
before I came down here. If I’d of been laid off 24 months I’d a lost all my seniority,
the 11 or 12 years I had up there, I’d of lost it. And they came from here - the missile
plant out here was started up, the Chrysler part of it, was started up by all the main
wheels of supervision management from Michigan because they were all guys from the
missile plant up there and knew what was going on and they came down here and
started this up. And one of the guys - supervisors that came down - came up there
recruiting. I run into him one day and I asked him how come he didn’t hollar for me.
He said: “Because we was recruiting hourly rate and you were salary - management.” I
said: “I’ll take hourly rate, I want to go.” So he hired me and sent me down. That’s
when we moved down here in ’62.
G: Now prior to coming down here, were you in management up there for those 11 years
or were you in the trades?
Sr: Well, I did a little bit of everything. I worked tool crib to start with. I worked at
Burroughs some place in along the line there for a couple years.
G: That was when you were laid off from Chrysler.
Sr: Yeah, it was. I worked for Burroughs at Job Center and I get laid off there after taking
a new school that Burroughs started up for supervisors. Advanced Course in
Foremanship. I was one of 24 to take the first class (laugh) and right after that I was on
the list for layoff. Boy, heads rolled for that. But back to Chryslers - I worked at the
tank plant, mostly on afternoons, in the sheet metal department. I probably have a PHR
in there - Personal History Record - in there in my briefcase. Give me dates and every
job change and everything. Even salary. I made a whole $3.09 an hour when I moved
down South here.
G: Is that right!
Sr: That was top pay as a sheet metal worker. I come down here at big salary. I was getting
four - I think $400 a month. (laugh) That’s what I started in down here as and that was
the bottom down here for a first line supervisor. I didn’t have the education to go any
higher in management than first line. I was down here three months as a sheet metal
worker - two months as a sheet metal worker. George Chaffey put me back on
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 supervision at the end of two months and later on I regretted that. But when I went on
supervision then I was getting $400 a month. But like I said, I was working afternoons
most of the time on assembly or on the afternoon shift I had to cover the tail section
assembly, the machine shop, the sheet metal shop and the surface treat which would be
alodine and anodize surface treat or prime paint or painting. I had to cover all of those.
G: And that was down here in New Orleans?
Sr: That’s in New Orleans at the Micheod plant. We went in there and I was one of the
seven - first seven hourly rated men for Chrysler to get in there. And like I say, I
worked hourly rate for two months and he put me on supervision. I said I regreted it
later and the reason for that: When I had 25 years seniority in I got laid off and - some
reason or another - how did that work out - because I had two months - three months
would have given me seniority in the union. See the two months I was in the union and
you had to have 90 days probationary time in even though I worked for them 11-12
years up North. It was a new job down here but your seniority carried. And I only had
two months of the three I needed to pick up my back time, to draw vacation pay for
Christmas and New Year’s. We had guys that worked there for a year that got it. I had
25 years in altogether - I didn’t get it. That’s when I was laid off in 1970 I think it was.
I was laid off. And I was off for awhile there. Worked at the feed store in Pearl River
for Jim Gernon. I was talking to him the other day. Stopped in there. He called me by
name when I walked in the door. I hadn’t seen him several years.
G: Also when you did upholstery work?
Sr: I did upholstery work during the time I was laid off, yes. Just getting started good when
they called me back and then I worked for Jim, too. And I had to go because I had too
much time in not to go. And I’m glad now I did go because I retired at 55 with full
retirement which amounted to the same thing as if I was 62 and drawing Social
Security. I drew it from the time I was retired until I went on Social Security. And it
amounted to between my Chrysler retirement and my supplements that covered the
same as Social Security. When I went off of the supplements - I’m still carrying some
of the permanent supplements - but when I went off of the ones that weren’t permanent
there was a matter of only a dollar or two on my pay as if I’d been on Social Security
from the time I got laid off.
G: So you didn’t get a big raise when you went on Social Security; everything kind of just
equaled out?
Sr: Well, yeah, but the guys that didn’t have seniority to where they had to wait until the
Social Security time, they had nothing. When I retired I had 30 years and 8 months
with them.
G: When they called you back, you said that you were laid off and that’s when you
worked for Jim and also did the upholstery work. But before you went back, didn’t you
have to get some additional training?
Sr: Oh, yeah. My old superintendent, he said, “We gotta lay you off. Why don’t you go to
the VoTech and learn to weld.” So I did and I got a certificate showing that I’m an arc
welder. Never had an arc welder in my hand. It was all aluminum welding - heliarc.
But they didn’t have a description for it (laugh) so. I was there about three fourths of
the way through the - I guess three fourths of the way, maybe not quite that much -
through the - it would be two years for an associate degree. And the superintendent
called me and asked me if I thought I could pass my welding test over there for them.
Well, I had already supervised a weld shop and I didn’t know how to weld when I was
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 over there but I knew what would pass and what wouldn’t. And I said, “Yeah, I can
pass it.” “All right, come on in.” And I went in. Sander Cock is the guy’s name. Took
their welding test and passed it and he hired me back in - or put me back to work.
G: Hourly or salary?
Sr: Hourly, I went in as a welder.And them crazy nuts over there had been supervisor and
everything else in there and then I belonged to the union, too. And I was back in the
union there. And they wanted me to run for Chief Steward. I said, “You guys are crazy.
You don’t want me for your Chief Steward because I won’t put up with the crap that
the Chief Steward puts up with. (laugh) I know both sides of this deal. I know when
you’re loafing and when you’re not. And whether you’re putting out the work you’re
supposed to be putting out and when you ain’t.” So they decided against it- I flat didn’t
want it. The only reason I was in the union is because I had to be. It was a union shop.
Yeah, they called me back to work and I got in my time I needed to retire. It was rough
because I was working there after they shut down on the missiles, working on stuff for
the Detroit tank plant. On the new M-1 tank they was having all kinds of problems with
their air breathers on that M-1 tank. Its air breathers for the engines. They had two of
them on each tank, one on each outside fender. They had all kinds of problems with
that thing and we started welding on those things and a lot of it - Other jobs was a
gunner guard which was armor plate and I taught myself how toheliarc with a rod
which was TIG using tungsten. And I taught myself how to use a gun with a roll of
aluminum wire in it which was MIG and they wanted me to learn how to heliarc steel
and I says, “You’re out of your tree. I ain’t fixing to learn how to do that. That’s all
that stuff that you can give to these young guys in here that’s only got a year of
seniority. Let them handle it.” Three inch chunks of armor plate so big like this. No
way. And they can write you up for refusing to do the job if you know how. I ain’t
about to know how. And I didn’t. (laugh) He stood there laughing all the time I was
telling him. He knew what I was up to. Then after that I went back on - this is when the
missile program was phasing out over there and they kept me around as long as they
could. And they finished the - well, let’s see - the air breathers. Then they had what I
was actually welding. I was doing a lot of welding on aluminum which would be 105
millimeter shells, cases for storing them in tanks. We were making the racks for storing
the shells in the tanks. They’d take them by the hand and take them out of those racks
and load them into the gun on the tank. We had that and we had ammunition boxes and
all kinds of stuff that we were welding on there. When they got through with that part
of it, that’s when that started getting down to earth. They were going to have to let me
go and they called me in the office one day - the Superintendent did. But the Personnel
man - we had a young snot-nose in there - personalities . One of the Personnel people
from when everythingwas running okay and he thought there wasn’t anything that was
about Personnel that he didn’t know or it wasn’t worth knowing. And he called me in
the office and he says, “We’re going to have to lay you off.” I said, “I’ve been
expecting it.” But he says, “You won’t get your 30-year pin nor will you get your 30-
year I.D. plate. I said, “Why?” He says, “Because you had broken service.” I said,
“Oh.” I said, “You want to bet on that?” and let it go at that. And I got ahold of Detroit
office up there and they switched me over to Seventeen Mile Road. Told them what
was going on down here, what happened. He says - the guy in Personnel up there -
said, “You won’t, but the Personnel Office down there where you’re at, will receive
your button, your 30-year pin and your I.D. card, gold-plated, signed by Lee Iococca.”
And guess who had to present them to me. (laugh) That guy that knew all about all that
kind of stuff. So I retired then and I haven’t worked for salary since. Anything to - you
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 know - to get paid for it. Had more time to myself while I was working than I did since
I retired.
G: Now, when you were working in Michigan, did I understand you to say that you
worked mostly second shift?
Sr: The big share of the time (laugh) - Jack once told me and I never realized it. He says, “I
thought I was the son with one parent - because I never seen you most of the time.”
(laugh)
G: The reason I bring that up is because I don’t remember that much about Michigan
either.
Sr: Well, yeah, you were young when you moved out here.
G: I was 10, but what I didn’t remember is a lot of interaction with you. But working
second shift, I can understand that now. You weren’t there.
Sr: Well, in the wintertime, working shift, you kids come home from school, I’d be gone to
work. I was working 10-12 hours a day. I’d get home maybe 7 o’clock the next
morning. You kids had gone to school. So I’d see you on weekends, maybe, because I
was working - for a long time we were scheduled a 54-hour workweek. That was
scheduled. Then we worked overtime on top of that. And being a supervisor on the
second shift, covering other departments, there’s two things you’ve gotta have. If you
don’t have more than one person working you’ve got to have a supervisor and you’ve
got to have a chief steward. So they may only schedule a dozen people working. I was
a supervisor. So for a long, long time there I was working those shifts. I never turn it
down. I could have swapped it off. Somebody else to get it. I figured I better get it
while I could. But I didn’t realize at the time what it was doing to the family.
G: I’m not certain that it was really doing anything to the family. I just didn’t remember.
Sr: Well, you were young. The others were all older than you. Jack made the comment one
time, he didn’t know (laugh) he had a daddy.
G: Now to a new area. What type of hobbies did you have?
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Sr: I was painting mostly oils but they were paint-by-number. And then I would go a little
farther - instead of having it blotchy, I would blend it. I painted one picture that Dr.
Volks - I don’t know if you knew who I was talking about or not. He was our family
doctor when I was a pup. He was a retired Navy doctor - World War I. I was painting a
picture of a light cruiser and he wanted it. So when I got it done I gave it to him. And it
hung in his office - his office was down on Grachit towards downtown Detroit. It hung
in there right up until he died, I guess. But other than those paint-by-numbers I don't
think I ever did a whole lot of anything else until after I retired.
G: Well, before you retired didn’t you do some leather work?
Sr: Yeah. I did a lot of leather work down here. There was one year there that Tandy
Leather Company had me as one of their top ten customers in this area. Buying
materials and stuff from them.
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G: And if I’m not mistaken, didn’t you earn enough money doing those and just word of
mouth to friends and stuff that you bought one of your guitars with it?
Sr: I can’t confirm that one way or the other.
G: I thought that’s how you bought the Gibson.
Sr: Okay. The Gibson. The first Gibson.
G: Yeah, the solid body.
Sr: Well, I had two of those.
G: Well, one was mine, basically. ...I played it, I should say.
Sr: (cough) I had - I think you guys gave me an amplifier. So I already had the amplifier
and I bought the Gibson. Possibly with money from selling wallets and purses and stuff
like that. But that got too hard on the eyes. That and doing sheet metal layout work.
Where you work on missile work, you work in not eighth or quarter of an inch, you
work in tenths of a thousandths on parts. And it was so fine that that’s what started my
eyes going bad, requiring glasses. But I sold a lot of that at work and I traded some for
a set of cyclone lamps that somebody I know has.
G: Is that how you got those lamps?
Sr: Yeah. Well, that’s not all. The same guy, he found this stuff up in the attic, a house he
bought. Those hurricane lamps,, not cyclone, hurricane lamps. They’re nice, they were
nice lamps. Also swapped something for stuff that his wife had had out in the garbage
to be hauled off and the guy picked it up and asked me if I wanted it. You better
believe I wanted it. I made his wife a clutch purse. Made him a wallet. And out of it I
got those two lamps and I got that little bitty loving cup. On one side it says “carnival
1912” and on the other side there was a shield and it named the marching club - I can’t
remember what it was now. The finish on it - it was pot metal. Not real good but it was
good enough that it should have been worth something. I let it go with a bunch of stuff
I sold to the antique guy in Hamlen.
G: Okay, so those were some of the hobbies that you had. Of course you had other
recreational type of things such as your roller skating and bicycling and such.
Sr: Well, not so much bicycling in Michigan. Down here, yes. Roller skating and bicycling
both came after we moved down here after your mother died.
G: Didn’t we roller skate in Michigan?
Sr: We all went roller skating up there.
Once a month with Chris and Suzy and
Sherry Slager. Ed went once and put
skates on and went about ten feet, took
them off and that’s the last he showed
up at the rink. And on the way home,
we’d stop at White Castle and get - oh,
probably two dollars worth of White
Castle burgers which was ten for a
dollar. That would be twenty burgers.
Take them home. And all of us, when you Sherry, Christine, Eddie and Suzy Slager
kids were little, used to ice skate. I liked to
ice skate when I was a kid. I raced, never
did any good but I had a lot of fun. I’d ride the streetcar or whatever I needed to get to
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 Bell Island and they had the gold and silver cup. The newspaper sponsored the gold
and silver cup ice skating races. The gold, I think, was for the boys and the the silver
was for the girls or the other way around. I don’t know just how it was. But I had a lot
of fun. Never did win anything. Come close once. I slid across the finish line. I’d had
my skates sharpened and didn’t have brains enough to know that they left a bur on the
side of the skates and it was just like not being sharpened at all because that bur should
have been honed off. And I had all I could do to stand up, keep my leg from sliding
sideways - let alone win in a race. It was fun. Oh, the only ice skates I ever had, I had a
pair of hockey skates but I never liked to play hockey. Racers is what I wore all the
time - most of the time when I was ice skating. Sometimes I’d wear the hockey skates
and just before we left Michigan and moved down here I bought a new pair of figure
skates. And if you want something that’s give you fits, they’ll do it until you learn how
to stand up on them. Cause they got like a rocker blade on them. There’s only one little
place in the blade that’s flat and the rest of it is up like this. And I never did get used to
them. I sold them up North before I moved down here.
G: Anther recreation thing that I remember is that you all, up in Michigan and some down
here, played horseshoes.
Sr: Yeah, we used to pitch a lot a horseshoes. Fact I thought I was pretty good one year
until the guy across the road come over and whipped my butt good for me. (cough)
Your mother could pitch horseshoes but she couldn’t throw them the full forty feet so
she’d throw them thirty and slide them the other ten foot. She used to come up with
good scores and she’s the only one that could beat me around there for awhile until the
guy across the street come over. “See you pitching horseshoes out here. You mind if I
throw a game with you?” “No.” I figured, “oh boy!” Well, it wasn’t “oh, boy.” His
daughter come over, it was a young daughter, came over and was sitting there,
standing, whatever, watching us pitch horseshoes. And I was getting took real good.
She said, “My daddy’s a state champion.” Oh, yeah, great. (laugh) But that’s good. If
you play against somebody you can beat all the time you ain’t learning a thing. Or you
ain’t getting any better. But I was throwing three out of four ringers. Only he was
throwing four out of four. (laugh) It makes you feel so unnecessary. (laugh) It does.
Yep. The roller skating - the most roller skating was down here after your mother died.
I skated a lot down here then. In fact I skated enough that I
got my commission so I could judge beginner roller skaters.
None of the fancy stuff but - I don’t remember what they call
it. I’ve got my certificates in there for figures and for dance.
G: We talked about sewing already, but didn’t you make an
outfit for skating?
Sr: I made an outfit to compete in. I made one for dance and I
made one like a jumpsuit for skating figures. When Josie, my
skate partner, was making hers, I was at the rink one time and
she said, "I don't know how to put the zipper in this thing." It
was a blind zipper. So I showed her. She went home and tried
to do it and pretty soon here she came back in roaring, "Show
me how to do this (laugh) ...put the zipper in there."
G: Wasn’t Josie kind of instrumental in getting you and Ruth together?
Sr: She's an R.N. at the Southeastern Hospital in Mandeville. Her and Ruth worked
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 Ruth had lost her husband just a month before I lost my wife. This was three years after
that, right at three years. She's the one that introduced Ruth to me.
G: And you got married -
Sr: Ruth and I run away to get married. We went
over to Garland, Texas, to friends of hers -
Bobbie and Joe - that lived there. The man that
married us was a retired Navy Captain
Chaplain,. And he was as crazy as all the rest of
us put together.
G: You said you run off and got married. Do you
think you did that without us knowing it?
Sr: I didn't care whether you knew it or not. I was
old enough to do what I wanted to do so I didn't
have to ask permission.
G: Mary and I found out the day before you got
married.
Sr: Something about premarital papers showing up
there (laugh) -
G: Yeah, we're authorized to open up important
looking mail so -
Sr: That's right.
G: So we knew. But back to your skating.
Sr: Let’s see, I could judge beginner roller skaters
which that’s as far as I ever got, the beginning
part. As far as taking lessons is concerned, my
coach died on me. Along with roller skating down
here, I brought my bicycle and started riding it. One year there that I rode four
thousand four hundred and some miles in two years. Two years total I rode that many
miles. Lot of miles. But I was riding 20 miles, 25 miles, 30 miles every morning and I
don’t do that any more. In fact I - my bike’s out there - I’ve got a brand new cat’s eye
for on it I got for Christmas last year and here it is Christmas again and I’ve never used
it. I rode my bike with you guys once and I think that’s all I’ve been out this year on it.
I want to get back at it though cause I notice that I’m getting where I can’t even reach
down and pull my socks on. (laugh)
G: I know at one time you had a very nice bow and some nice custom arrows. Did you
shoot bow a lot?
Sr: Well, there was one year or so there that I was shooting, my brother James was
shooting, and his brother - his son Jimmy was shooting. And there was one other
person, I don’t know who it was, was shooting as a four-man team. And we shot once a
week. This was all inside - I don’t even remember what they call it now. But it’s inside
competition. You shot three ranges, thirty, sixty and ninety feet. And it seems to me
like you shot ten arrows at each range. I can’t say for sure on that cause I don’t
remember it.
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Sr: In Michigan, yeah. I had to quit because they changed shifts on me and I couldn’t shoot
with them. And the team I was on wound up in second place so they got trophies. I
didn’t get anything out of it. But I shot some - I’d hear of a competition going on
someplace close and I’d go and shoot it. And I’ve shot some like that. I got one medal
in there. Did have. Yeah, for awhile there was a place out on the West side that shot
every weekend and I went out there and shot. It’s a lot of fun. But that’s before they
had the compound bows with the pulleys on them. I shot a double recurve bow -
Eddings - that you had to set it everytime you strung it up to make sure that it was set
right. I was half way decent with it. Could have been a lot better.
G: And then for recreation, as I recall, you have trophies from bowling too.
Sr: We bowled - no, I never had any trophies for bowling. I don’t know how we made out
on that. The first year we were down here - I didn’t bowl up North. The first year we
were down here, Orville and Lois Husk and your mother and I were on a team bowling.
And getting tangled up in bowling is too long a season. You get tired of it. But we did
nothing but improve because starting at the bottom that’s the only place you can go is
up. (laugh) But I’m telling you, we had a bunch of worried people in there for awhile.
We never did damage anybody too bad but (laugh) it did made them set up and take
notice, anyhow, that we were there. We only bowled that one year because the seasons
too long and Orville liked to fish too well.
G: You never really got into fishing and hunting and stuff like that.
Sr: Well, when I was a kid I hunted - went deer hunting a time or two. Got one deer.
G: With a bow?
Sr: No, no that’s before they had bow seasons. Using- I don’t remember whether I was
using a 38/40 or the 25/20. The both of them belonged to my granddad. I wound up
with them eventually. But I don’t remember. Probably the 25/20. But down here I did
some squirrel hunting with a 4-10 - single shot 4-10 or a 22. It was the only two guns
and it was a single shot. I figured if I didn’t get them first shot that was good for them
so I went without meat quite a bit. No, it was fun. I had squirrels whenever I wanted
them. But I quit that, too, because - I just got tired of skinning them; nobody wanted to
cook them for me. (laugh)
G: I know you said that early on you oil painted and but never to any extent other than
paint-by-number. Yet I’m looking up at the wall right now and seeing a beautiful
painting that you’ve done.
Sr: Well, that was down here. But I just wished I did that. That’s a starving artist. There’s
mine up there, one of them.
G: So I’m just looking at another wall.
Sr: Yeah. Well, I’m looking here at the crooked roof on that thing but I guess the front
sagged a little bit sideways. That’s why it looks like the back of the roof should be
down instead of up.
G: You took art lessons, or painting lessons for these, didn’t you?
Sr: Yeah, for awhile I did. It’s Bob Ross. It’s painting - oil painting wet-on-wet. Normally
if you’re oil painting you got to let it dry before you can do anything else with it. But
this is wet-on-wet, as long as you use heavy, thick paints for your backgrounds you can
go over it by making it a little bit thinner, and you can paint right over your other paint
without ever letting anything dry. That picture right there - that’s a 20 by 24 or
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 something. I think that’s what Bob, when he was on - he’s dead now - but Bob Ross -
painted in thirty minutes only he did a good job on it.
G: And it took you how long?
Sr: Well I got to where I could paint one in four hours which was satisfactory for me
because I was killing time anyhow. I’ve got my easel. Most of my paints are old and
I’d have to get a bunch of new paints to do any good. But I painted that picture out
there with the old paints out in the train shop. With the old paints that I had from when
Bob Ross was on the air (cough) but it didn’t work like it should have. So I just had to
go ahead and paint and come up with whatever I could get out of it. Do you see this?
You can actually see, when you're painting one of these pictures - especially like me
when it takes me four hours to paint a picture like that. You can see those colors
changing right in front of your eyes because of that
G: The wet?
Sr: The wet part of it, yeah. They are blended together and if you’ve got a dark background
and you put this lighter color on it you actually watch the changing of the blend -
blending it. That man made some money in that because he made all of his own paints
or had them made to his specifications. He’s got all kinds of books. He’s still on TV. I
can get him - I miss it every week but on Sunday afternoon 1:30 to 2 o’clock I think it
is - Channel 32. It’s on TV. His son is still on - he had over 400 instructors out in the
field. People that he had taught or some of his students had taught to paint. I never seen
him but I was doing his school from one of his instructors. She went and took special
training from him and then I was taking lessons from her. But - yeah, I got into
painting here. I like to paint but right now I don’t have a decent place. My easel and
everything is out in the storage room in the garage. Man, I can see a lot of mistakes on
that thing up there. Those trees, just to look at it looks like a nice picture. You stop and
study it, well, the only decent looking tree is that bare one in the front. Those
evergreens in the back there, and way back. And the object of his painting is start way
off and as you lighten up and thin your paints down, brings it in to you. That gives you
your three dimensions. Making it look like - well, looks like those humpty-hump trees
in the back there - way back quite aways. It’s fun. Then I got into trains.
G: I’m not certain I have enough tape for that one. (laugh) But we can get started.
Sr: Well, we had bicycle riding, too. Never got much of that. Like I told you I rode that
forty-four hundred and some miles in two years. But I used to ride every day and I felt
a lot better than I do now. I was limber - more so than now (laugh) believe me. But it’s
a lot of fun. September is bicycle month and you can get four patches. One for each
weekend of the month. And I got all four of them. Twenty-five mile, fifty mile, sixty-
two point two which is a metric century and the century - hundred mile - I rode that in
8 hours and 40 minutes. I got all four of my patches the second year.
G: Is that the National Bike Month?
Sr: Yeah, it’s the National Bike Month and I’ve got my patches in there someplace. And
you have to show your recorded time by whoever is sponsoring the ride that weekend.
They have to sign - sign that you completed it in the time. On the hundred mile - you
can take as much as twelve hours for it and still get a patch.

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G: Today’s December the 26th, we’ll continue talking about the two major hobbies that
you’ve had for quite a few years now and that’s your wood carving and model trains.
So let’s start with the wood carving.
I remember back in Michigan - or I think I remember - that you were in the hospital.
And it might have been for your back. You carved a pair of pliers and a universal joint,
something like that. And a chain with a ball in it.
Sr: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
G: How did you get into wood carving?
Sr: Just whittling, that’s all. Something to do. Try something different all the time. (laugh)
That’s all it amounted to then. I always carried a pocketknife with me. I still do. And
pick up a piece of wood and start whittling on it. I’ve done some wood carving since
then, but it’s been quite awhile since then. That was back in 1958 that I was in the
hospital.
G: What were you in the hospital for?
Sr: Spine surgery. I was in there nine weeks. I was in the hospital for a week getting
prepared for spine surgery. And then I was in there eight weeks after that. The first
week after that - which would be my second week in there - the first week after surgery
I was not completely unconscious but everything was foggy. I really didn't know what
was going on but I know that there was movement and stuff in the ward. I was in a
ward with five other beds in there. And I could tell there was something going on but I
didn't have any idea what. (chuckle)
G: Why were you having surgery on your spine?
Sr: Down real low on my spine I had two discs that were deteriorating completely.
G: Okay. So it wasn't because of an injury or something?
Sr: No, huh-uh. No. This was natural. They took a chunk of bone off of my right hip and
fused all that together in there. And after the surgery I was in the hospital eight weeks.
And they took me home in an ambulance. And I was in bed two more weeks while they
had a brace made for me. And at the end of two weeks at home I put the brace on and
got up. But I was off of work for three months. I know other people's had roughly the
same surgery and they've had a lot of problems. But I haven't had a bit of problem
other than - just my voice (laugh). I was off work for three months and wearing a
brace. At the end of the three months I took the brace off and I haven't had it on since
and I've had no problems other than - oh, probably six years ago I started having
trouble with my left leg. It would get real hot above the knee - not at the knee but
above it, and below the knee. To find out where the problem was and what was causing
it they started with a pin test, sticking pins in you like a pincushion. And don't ever let
them do that if you can avoid it cause (laugh) by the time they went for my toes and got
around and located the problem at my back - spine - I was ready to go nuts. But he
found it, he found what the problem was. And Dr. Kazinsky - something like that -
neurosurgeon, he went back in the same scar from the original spine surgery that I had
in '58 and found the cartilege in there where the nerves come out of the spine getting a
buildup in there and it was pinching the nerves for that left leg. And that's where my
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 the motorhome - or the travel trailer, going on vacation. (laugh) Of course we're on a
vacation all the time anyhow - retired.
G: With being in the hospital that long you were able to wood carve or whittle.
Sr: Well, whittle, yeah, at that time it was whittling. Little bit of everything and not much
of anything. Someplace around here I may still have that universal joint. And what else
did you say?
G: I think a pair of pliers.
Sr: I don't know if they're still around or not.
G: And all of these things were made to be able to move
and were made out of one piece of wood without
breaking it.
Sr: Yeah. I started out like everybody else - whittling
little dogs and stuff like that. That's what shows up in
your beginners' wood carving book and carve a bunch
of those. Got around to where I was doing a lot better
and I carved several things that was put in the Fair -
Parish Fair. And every one of them got a ribbon. And
everyone of them but one got blue ribbons. And that
one would have been a blue ribbon, according to the
judges, but when I entered it they had me enter it in a
certain category and it wasn't the right one, according to the judges, so they knocked
me down from a blue to a second place. Other than that they're all blue ribbons. And I
think you've got the wood carving that got the second place - that dog.
G: I most certainly do.
Sr: They put it in the wrong category. And I probably got a box here with the ribbon in it
that I got for it.
G: Actually I have the ribbon with it.
Sr: I know I got a bunch of ribbons here with different stuff. I only got - hum - maybe five
carvings left and I was going to sell them. And I put a reasonable price on them and
nobody would buy them. So I said, "To heck with it. I won't sell them any cheaper" and
I kept it. I figure you kids could fight over them later. (laugh)
G: Did you do the bluebird that's up there?
Sr: Yeah.
G: Okay. I'll fight over that one.
Sr: You'll fight over that one - okay. Chris Slager is the only person that has bird carvings
of mine that I put two in one carving. I carved them and then mounted them on a piece
of limb. She's got one with two tanagers on it, on that same limb. All the rest of them
are single. And this one that I've got out there now is one that I carved for your mother
to give to a friend of hers. I can't remember their name but they had the dry cleaners in
Slidell. When the woman that she gave the carving to passed away, her husband
returned it to me and that's the one you're looking at in there now. It's been out in
circulation and back again. But the rest of them are just setting there - I won't sell them
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G: You carved several things that during the bicentennial years - the United States
bicentennial - actually went into what - the Slidell Museum or something?
Sr: No. They never got there. I had the stuff. I had a plate of the signing of the - well, John
Adams and all these guys on there. It was supposed to go in and Georgene's got a
covered wagon with a team of horses
pulling it, and a woman sitting on the
seat. And it's actually not supposed
to be moving because the man is
working on the bridle of the team
and there's another horse with a - this
is all mounted on a board. And in
back of that covered wagon - there's
a guy back there leading a horse.
And he's got a rifle in his hand.
Those two were supposed to go in
the Slidell museum. I took them - and they wouldn't put them in the museum until I
could put a value on them. And I took them and had them appraised. Got the value on
them. They never did open the museum. It's open now. They never got into the
museum.
G: I've got the plate.
Sr: In Ponchatoola - their museum there - they were going to run a one-month display of
local talent of different things and I was the first one that they got ahold of and I had a
display in there of my wood carvings. I don't know what all was in there but there was
several of them in there. I have letters from them - still have them in my briefcase -
about being invited to put on a display there. But they run it, I think, about six weeks
and then they round up some other display to put in there. But they contact me later on
to see if I could do it again (chuckle) and at that time I didn't have anything to put in
there. But I could put in - oh, five or six pieces now. But I haven't heard any more from
them and I don't blame them. They tried. But I like to wood carve. I like to paint -
acrylic and oil. I don't care much about watercolors but they do some nice watercolor
painting. I'd like to get into pen and ink drawing but (laugh) I have too much other stuff
to do to start something new.
G: Well, you're actually still doing some painting, though, because in your train layout
you've been doing some painting for the backdrops and stuff. Tell me about your
training. How did you get into doing your model training?
Sr: Well, I got snookered on that. We
went to a garage sale one time and
there was a little train there with
about three feet - three foot diameter
circle track and I bought it and that
got it started. Then at the old house I
wound up with a table that was five
foot wide and sixteen foot long on the
main table. Then I side-branched for
the marshalling area for building up. I
had a side branch that run down the
hall which along with the five foot
gave me sixteen foot across the end of
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 it there and - but it was only two foot wide. I sold all of that stuff, all my equipment
and everything - table and all - when I moved. Then out here, no place to put it, so I
bought a twelve by twenty building, insulated it and lined it with the quarter inch
plywood, rewired it - added wiring with outlets all the way around in it, and put fuse
box in it - or breaker box. And I have roughly the same size now only in two different
tables. I have part of the old table that's about eleven, twelve foot long and two foot
wide where it's down the wall and that's where the backdrop painting that you're
referring to is at now because the table is right against the wall. It's mountain scenery,
lake, running the full length of that little table. But the other - the other table is five
foot wide and sixteen feet long. But there's a walkway between all the walls. So unless
I put a narrow backdrop board around I won't be able to have any - the paintings would
be too far away to be effective. Unless I just wanted to paint the walls (laugh) in there
with scenery on. But the little table is coming along pretty good as far as I could run
trains on it but you can't get any place except back and forth on five or six tracks. And I
made a turntable using bearings out of one of my roller skate wheels. Two of them for
the center post to turn it on and the outside edge of it - it's - twelve or fourteen inches in
diameter, and I dropped it down in a hole with a base under it and used marbles for
bearings for the outside edge of it to roll on so it stayed level. I got it wired. I'm
working on the big table now, trying to get some track laid on it and some landscaping
done, bridges built. It's got a lot of work to do on it yet. People ask me, When can they
come and see it complete? And I said, "Two or three years from now, maybe." (laugh)
About the time you think it's done, well you want to change something. I'm trying to
remember those changes and incorporate them in this table I got now. And - there'll be
changes made. Right now I'm taking plaster of paris and pouring it and breaking it up
in pieces and then lay them like stone through an opening where the train goes under a
bridge and it also goes across the bridge over the other track. The landscape is pretty
steep there. So I laid it like brick and when I get through then I'll paint it to look like
stone laying there. My old table had real stone - slate that I broke up and laid. But that
got to be time consuming.
G: What is it you like most about doing the trains? The building of the table or scenery or
getting the track laid so you can finally see the train go around. What is it that appeals
to you?
Sr: Well, I told Ruth, I said, I don't know what I'm going to do with this thing when I get it
complete because the fun is the building of it. And getting it wired; you have wires
running every direction. I bought a three hundred foot spool of wire just for wiring
sectional track. And I've had a little bit left from the other place but I'm going to have
to buy some more. I've got a new control panel board I gotta make. I've got one for the
little table showing the layout and where the wires are, what switches you need to
throw to turn on different sections. But I haven't made the one yet for the big table. I'm
going to have to start doing that. I used a piece of white enameled bathroom paneling
for the old one but I don't think I have any more of that material around. So probably
going to have to get a piece of masonite and paint it. But I'm going to have to do that
pretty quick if I want to do any wiring on that big table. Of course, all I could do, run
anything on the big table before it's actually completely laid, it would be just too back
and forth. You can do that with sectional track. Run it up to the end, stop it and back it
up.It's a lot of fun.
G: So the modeling of it, the building and the modeling of the track is what you enjoy the
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Sr: Yeah. Right now I've got several buildings that are plastic, bought buildings that I'll
probably use until I can get my track all laid and get the place landscaped and then I'll
start replacing those plastic buildings with wooden ones that I build myself. There's
stuff you gotta buy - animals, people. You gotta buy them but you got to paint them - a
lot of them. Some of them are already painted but a lot of them you got to paint
yourself.
G: Now you're talking about building the wooden structures to replace the plastic ones.
Wood modeling is not new to you either because I know that you've built wood plank
boats. Can you tell me a little bit about that?
Sr: (laugh) Oh, you don't want to hear about
my ship that I built. I sent away - paid
$170 for that kit. And it was nothing but
material except for the parts that were
cast.
G: What ship was it?
Sr: The old Essex frigate built in 1796, I
think, for the Navy - U.S. Navy. And the
War of 1812 the British captured the
frigate and they reworked it. Gun
placements or something like that. But
anyhow they changed the configuration of
what it was when the U.S. had it. And the model I built was the new configuration. It
had a bunch of side guns and deck guns and everything like that. And they came - it
was cast metal. The anchors were cast metal. The helm - it was cast. And things like
that you had to clean them up from the castings but you didn't have to make them. But
everything else you had to make your own parts and it was what they call plank on
plank. They gave me a bunch of eighth inch by a quarter inch wide, thirty inch long
strips of bass wood and that's what the hull was made out of and also the decks. And it
was three-masted
G: So what you're saying in that plank on plank - is that you had to build it just like they
would build a real wood ship.
Sr: Right. One board at a time. And that was a lot of fun. It took me two years to build
that. I was working on it whenever I had a chance. And I had five blueprints about
thirty inches square.
G: If I recall, that was a problem, wasn't it?
Sr: (laugh) That was THE problem. Other than the fact the time consuming in the building
of it.(laugh) Everything was written in Italian and all of the figures were metric. Well, I
didn't have too much problem converting the metric but I had plenty of problem trying
- well, I just couldn't read the Italian. But I could read the blueprints and follow them
down and I built the whole ship without having any help on translating. Except I had to
have somebody tell me about the painting of it. What colors went where. And as soon
as I found that out, well then my problems as far as knowing what to do were taken
care of. Building those ships you got to watch how you build them or you build
yourself right into a trap. You do one thing and shouldn't have, you should have done
something else first.
G: And when did you do that? Do you remember the timeframe?
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Sr: Well, let me think. It was after Mom died.
G: Sometime after 1981.
Sr: '81, yeah. I was starting in 80, probably '82. I was building that at my place over in
Hickory. I had an eight-foot table in there and I built a holding rack for the hull so I
could turn it any direction I wanted to. Lay it down, whatever. Even turn it upside
down if I wanted to to work on it. And I had those five blueprints fastened to the wall
right in back of the table. And as I'd do one step well I'd check it off with a red pencil
to know where I was at. And by following that stuff - you had two colors of line. And
off hand I can't tell you which is which. But you had black and you had hemp color.
And one of them is for standing rigging and the other is for running rigging. So you
had to watch what color line you used whereever what you was doing. They sent a big
chunk of cloth and I had to make my own sails. They had patterns for them but I had to
make them, including the sewing of tie-down strips on each sail so when you rolled
them up you could tie them. It was a lot of fun. And when we sold the house I had no
place to put it so the guy that bought the house bought my ship. And the last time I
seen it it was sitting on the mantel right where it was when we moved out of the house.
I had it covered up with clear plastic to keep it half way clean and I gave him the book
that came with it, in Italian. The instruction book. And it also had the history of the
ship in there. And I gave him the blueprints for $200.
G: Hum! Almost recovered your material cost.
Sr: (laugh) Right! But I got out of it what I wanted. The fun of building it. I'd love to have
it here if I had a place to put it. Now I have another ship kit out there that I bought at a
garage sale that somebody started but it's all plastic. And if I could use those pieces and
convert them and make them out of wood I'd like to build that ship again. I can't tell
you what the name of it is offhand.

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Sr: But it's a molded two-piece hull. And I haven't figured out yet how I could convert that.
I suppose I could take and put the two pieces together and then (pause) start trying to
cut the bulkheads - main bulkheads for the ship and see if I come up with it that way.
But got too much other stuff to do now like a radio installation , plants in the ground.
(laugh) That won't take long, though. But in a new house there's always work to do in
the yard. And that - up until now, anyhow, is been keeping me pretty busy. I made a
mistake a year ago last fall of fertilizing that lawn and (sigh) never again (laugh).
G: Grass just keeps on growing.
Sr: Yep.
G: Let's see. I'm recalling now as we speak, new questions come to mind and it goes back
a little further. If I'm not mistaking - you started playing guitar a long, long time ago
and, of course, you just bought another guitar just a couple days ago.
Sr: Oh, I've had a bunch of them in between time. Believe me. I had a bunch of them.
G: I'm sure you did. But I recall that you and others used to play in street dances - if I'm
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Sr: Well, not exactly correct but close. When I was about ten years old I started playing
guitar. My dad played an accordian and he and I played for dances Saturday nights.
Square dances - barn dances.
G: Barn dances, not street dances. Barn dances.
Sr: Yeah. No, no, that's why I say, you're close. This was in Michigan and we went over
towards Royal Oak, to a school over there and we could put thirteen square dance sets
on the floor at one time in the gym there. And him and I played together. Once in
awhile a neighbor of ours would go along and play with us. But it was big money then.
We got three dollars a night, play all night long, a piece. And New Year's Eve we
played. Lucky there. We got five dollars to play all night long.
G: Now, you said that you started when you were ten. But how old were you when you
were doing this? When you were doing the barn dances for square dancing?
Sr: When I was eleven, twelve.
G: Oh, goodness!
Sr: Oh, yeah. Sure. As soon as I learned how to chord. And at that time that's all I was
doing, following him. He was playing his little either German or Italian accordian. It
wasn't a concertina. It had buttons on both sides and you could only play in the key of
"C" and "G" and this has bugged me the rest of my life. (laugh)
G: Because everything you play is mostly in the key of "C" or "G" right now.
Sr: That's right. To play melody. Now I can chord in other keys. But I can't play rhythm
unless I use a clamp. I don't know the neck of the guitar like I should as old as I am. By
now, if I'd put my mind to it, I should be able to play beautiful. But most of the time I
wasn't around anybody else that played music. And you lose interest. You don't
practice. I just didn't go ahead and learn like I should have. Of course, I was a kid then
and I didn't need to learn. I knew everything. So if you don't believe it, just ask any kid
now. (laugh) But yeah, I played guitar ever since I was probably ten years old. But I
took lessons for awhile. I'd walk a mile - over a mile - take my lessons, walk back
home. I think it cost me a dollar a week for an hour a lesson which was pretty good.
But I got to the point where I could play notes and stuff and I could play the guitar
better than my teacher could because he wasn't a guitar teacher, he was a fiddle player.
But he could teach me how to play the guitar. Mother and dad gave me a guitar. I think
it cost them seven dollars - my first guitar. And that's what I was using. And finally a
friend of ours had a Harmony - nice guitar. I bought it. I think I give fifty dollars for it.
It had an amplifier with a pick up on it. Still a hollow box acoustic. And after that I've
had a bunch of guitars. And there's all kind of music in them but I can't get it out.
When I first started we were playing Old Time Music. That's all it was called - Old
Time Music. Now it’s called Country Music and Country Western. And they've got it
so messed up now that I'm getting to where I like Bluegrass better than I do Country
Music. And I've got a neighbor over here that's wanting to teach me Blues - how to
play Blues. Now he can play Blues. He'd probably teach me how if I ever go over
there. (chuckle) One of these days I gotta do it if I can find time. But you mentioned I
bought a guitar. I bought one Christmas Eve Day. It's not what I wanted but it looked
like it might be a pretty good investment so I bought it anyhow. (chuckle)
G: Now, music in general you've enjoyed over the years.
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G: I know there's a story but I don't remember why there's a story. But you had a
collection of 78 records. And I think it had something to do with a birthday or
something.
Sr: Okay. I also had a collection of 45 rpm records. And at this point you can't even give
them away. I told you that my dad and Jack Whitley worked together for years so I
knew the kids - bunch of ornery kids - three of them before Ruthie come along and
Mary. I'd see them coming over, I'd take off. But I wound up marrying the oldest one
of the bunch of them (laugh) and it's your mother. When I graduated from high school
Jackie gave me one - one case - and I don't know if was the 45s or the 78s. She might
have given me both cases of records. And I had those for years. Then I started
accumulating 33 1/3 albums. And I've still got a bunch of those. I used to refer to them
a lot of times to try to learn a song. I'd play - and I still do with the 33s. I'll run it and
record the piece that I want - I'll record on a cassette tape. Then I can play it with my
cassette player out there. It's got a counter on it. I can play it a little bit at a time and
pick up all the words and everything and learn them. Can't remember them, but I learn
them. But I can get that music for that one piece that I want and can learn to play it
from there. And that all takes time so (pause) - it's all a lot of fun. But I've had several
new guitars and some old ones and for some reason or other I didn't care for them so I'd
either sell them or trade them in or do whatever. And I wound up to where I've got a
Gibson acoustic guitar and I put a pickup - two pickups on it for electric. And the other
day I bought that - well, I don't know what you'd call it. It's electric, solid body and
suppposed to be - well, it was made for the Martin Company but it's a Les Paul design.
And, like I say, it's not what I wanted but I figured I couldn't pass up the buy on it
because according to George, Jr. the case is worth more than what I gave for the case
and the guitar together. And it looked like a brand new guitar. It isn't but it's not too old
because it's not on - listed on any of the paperwork. Older models were but that one
wasn't. But still got to find time to learn how to play it. So - the guitar I want is like the
second guitar I ever owned. Didn't have brains enough to keep it. It's got a rounded -
not a round, either but a convex front and back - they got a name for it, whatever.
G: Archtop?
Sr: Archtop. Arch - front and back both was arched. Instead of a round hole in the front it's
had "F" holes in it. And I've always wanted another one of those. And I know where
there is - at least last Fall - four of them. I see one occasionally on TV and I just sit
there and drool (chuckle) because they're in good shape, the one's they're using - except
for the one that Willie Nelson plays. (laugh) And he's got it fastened together with
masking tape, I think. I's fun and it took care of a lot of time for me that I didn't have
anything else to do. But I got plenty to do now.

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G: Today is June 21st, 2001. We are continuing an interview between myself, George
Hawley, Jr., and my father, George Hawley. The first question that I have for you
today is that I have pictures showing that you in a uniform. It looks like you are in the
American Legion. We recall possibly marching in some parades, not myself, but you
and at least the girls. Can you talk about the American Legion and what posts you
might have held.

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Sr: Well, in Post 261 in East Detroit, American Legion - that's
the only one I was ever active in - and my dad was
Commander. And when he went out of office as
Commander - I had had another office but I don't know
which one it was. Skip, the head janitor of East Detroit
High School, was elected Commander of that Post. And
before it I was Vice Commander or whatever they called it.
Before he finished his term he died. That made me
Commander. And I had to make all the arrangements for
his military funeral. And afterwards I had - on any parades
George with father
- I had to make all the arrangements for the parades. But I
held several offices and right now I can't tell you what they were. There was two of us -
another young guy from World War II - was in the Post. And he was starting to go
through the offices, too. But on the parades - we always had a parade on Memorial
Day. And for the American Legion part of the parade - they were the ones that usually
led it. And that was my responsibility to making everything work there. And most of
the time it did. (chuckle)
G: Was Mom in the American Legion, too?
Sr: Mom was in the Auxiliary, Legion Auxiliary. It’s the
women's Legion Auxiliary. She belonged to that for years
and I don't know what all they did. But they were active in
the entertainment and stuff like that of the Legion. And
the Legion had dances on Saturday nights a lot of times
and things like that. Always took part in the parades. And
at one time I belonged to the Junior American Legion.
That's before I went in the Service. And they had a little
drum and bugle corps started - I don't know if we ever did
finish it or not (chuckle) but we started one. But
everybody got a stick and started pounding on a piece of
wood to learn how to play a drum.
G: Yeah. Were the girls involved at all with the American
Legion?
Sr: I don't think so. I don't think they had anything for the girls but I could be wrong on
that. The older that I get the less I remember. You shoulda done this years ago.
(chuckle)
G: I know we should have. At least we're doing it now. When we moved down here to
Slidell, did you remain active in the American Legion?
Sr: No. I'd been through all the offices. My dad and I were the first two American Legion
members to be - both of us be Past Commanders of the same Post in the state of
Michigan. He was Welfare Officer for years during the war. Any of the young military
guys around there wanted to get any information from the Legion, well they'd come to
him for that. He did a lot of good work. And my mother was helping him with that. But
again, I don't know of anything that the girls, as a separate unit, would do.
G: Another question is about your cooking.
Sr: Anything else you want to know? (laugh)
G: What would you like to tell me about your cooking abilities?
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Sr: Well, I never was a cook. I didn't have a whole lot of time to cook when you kids were
all at home. And I really never did learn to cook until after your mother passed away
and I was on my own. I got to where I could cook half way decent then.
G: I understand that at one time you were going to make us some soup and you asked if
we wanted milk or water in it and we thought you were making tomato soup so we
said, milk. And it was really chicken noodle soup that you made with milk and you
made us eat it anyways. Do you remember that?
Sr: No, I don't remember it but that's what they get for thinking. (laugh) If they wanted to
know what kind of soup they should have asked. I can open the cans pretty good
though.
G: I'm certain that there's just a lot of other questions I could be asking right now,
knowing everything that you've done, but I just have a couple more for this session. I
know that you learned to sew as a parachute rigger in the Navy. I don't know if you
sewed before that or not.
Sr: Well, actually I learned from my brother-in-law, Terry Impey, that was in the Army
Air Corps. He was a parachute instructor there. I was working for them when the Navy
- I had been through the parachute school for the Air Force and Terry was the instructor
-when the Navy advertised for qualified parachute riggers. (chuckle) Believe it or not, a
Major in the Air Force gave me a letter of recommendation for a Third Class rating in
the Navy. And I got it. And that was Terry's boss. (chuckle) But I learned - I learned
sewing to start with from Terry in the Air Force.
G: I know that you've done other things with that sewing, the actual sewing of clothing
and if I remember correctly, you've actually taken a pair of pants apart to make your
own pattern and then have made your own pants. And I recall some other sewing,
maybe for Ruthie, a costume or something.
Sr: Yeah, I did. What's the little Abner's girlfriends' name - Daisy Mae. I made her an
outfit once. I also made Sherry Slager a skirt and blouse, matching skirt and blouse,
when we lived on Stewart. And then I made Georgene's prom dress. And I think that - I
could be wrong on this - but I think that Mary wore Georgene's prom dress at her
wedding. But - yeah, I used to like to sew. I've done a lot of sewing. In the Navy our
responsibility was not only packing parachutes for the pilots, we each had our own
parachute. We kept it packed. But we also had all of the summer and winter flight gear
for those pilots to keep repaired. We had the parachutes to keep repaired. And that's
including zippers on flight boots, winter boots or winter flight gear or whatever. And
our parachutes - we had to keep them repaired if they got torn. And when I first went in
we used silk parachutes. The Navy discovered that a tracer bullet would set them things
on fire so they promptly went to nylon parachutes. So we had to learn how to handle
nylon which is slick - just like silk is. You try to pack it and - put it in one end and it
will squirt out the other end (laugh) of the parachute pack. But we learned all of that.
How to operate even shoe machines - sewing machines.
G: Okay. As long as we're on parachutes right now, I know of one thing that we didn't
discuss last time because it just happened recently. Let's see, I think you're two months
shy of your 78th birthday and last week you did WHAT?

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Sr: (chuckle) That's what a lot of people says, "You did WHAT?" (laugh) Made a
parachute jump. (laugh) Yeah. It was
a buddy-type jump. I've got a bad
shoulder and they wouldn't trust my
shoulder for possibility of mishap so
they hooked two of us together. The
jump master had made over 600
jumps and him and I were fastened
together when we came out of the
airplane and we dropped from 14,000
feet down to 6,000 feet, just keeping
track of the altitude we were at and
keeping track of the practice of where to reach for the rip cord and when it come time
to reach for it he beat me to it. I think he was chicken. (chuckle) But that was at 6,000
feet and then we just floated around up there until we got down to around a thousand
feet and then we had to make a u-turn. We were coming down with the wind and I had
to make a u-turn into the wind and dropped down on the ground standing up. And that
was all there was to it.
G: And why did you want to do this?
Sr: Why did I want to do it? Oh, I've wanted to do it for a long time and I didn't know
about these parachute clubs until my brother-in-law in Michigan - there's a place about
four miles from where he lives and he's a bachelor and all of a sudden he sent me a
picture of him with a (chuckle) - on a buddy jump. So I found out about it and I got to
checking here and my brother-in-law over in Mississippi told me, Yeah, they got a
parachute club right over here about thirty minute drive from here. And that's where I
went. And, you name it, any kind of jump you want to make well they've got it. All
you've got to do is have the money to pay for it. (chuckle)
G: And you did this last weekend? Saturday, June 16th, 2001.
Sr: Yep. From 14,000 feet out of a twin engine plane. There were 19 of us in there like
sardines to come out. Part of them were coming out at one time, just one right after the
other out the door, and when they cleared the plane they started playing around up
there, holding hands and making circles and formations and this and that. And then it
was - I don't know if there was any other buddy jump on there or not. Miami and I
went out the door. I began to think they're going to have to put their boot in my butt to
get me out the door because I had ahold of the rail on top with the wrong hand and I
(chuckle) wasn't fixing to let go of it. But all of a sudden out we went. And it was
great. Soon as we cleared the plane, all your sound went away from the airplane and it
was just as quiet and nice, you're floating around up there. (chuckle) Several of my kids
thought I was crazy and they might have been right but I didn't ask them for permission
so -
G: How did you feel about doing that? I can imagine if I was the person up there that I
would get pretty scared.
Sr: For some reason or other it didn't bother me. I was setting there - actually setting in my
jump master's lap - before we went out the door and I was looking all around, out the
windows, looking at the clouds, looking down at the ground to see where we were at.
And every once in awhile the guy right in front of us who had his movie camera was
taking pictures of all of this. He'd stick it up over his shoulder and we'd give him a
thumb up on it. Then - then it come our turn. So he followed us out the door and there
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 was parachutes all over that place. When we finally come down and hit the ground - we
hit it standing up, never did fall. Just come down, dropped straight down and stood
there. The jump master unhooked the parachute, wadded it up and rolled it up. It was
his chute. And he took it and the owner of the place was out there to greet us. The kids
were there, Mary and Maliah and Maxine and Terry were there. If I'd of jumped when I
first went six weeks ago - there was about twenty of them there to watch me. (laugh)
But circumstances - some of them were not physically able to go this time and then
others had Little League ball games and stuff like that. So, we did all right. And yes, I
would do it again. Might even do it again. (chuckle) I took a bicycle ride on my 70th
birthday. Was going to ride eighty miles but I got forty miles out and on my way back
and got rained out so they picked me up with the van and brought me back. And that
took three hours, three and a quarter hours, I think, for the forty-seven miles I did ride.
G: I know that that's something you put a lot of planning in
to - that you wanted to do that and you prepared for it.
You'd been riding a lot of miles -
Sr: Yeah, I'd been riding a lot of miles there - I was in
training.
G: What is it that is still left undone that you still want to
do? I know I have my little dream list of things that I
want to do. Parachuting wasn't one of them.
Sr: Oh. Funny part of it is - my brother-in-law was a
parachute instructor and parachuting ain't one of his,
either. (laugh) So that's the way it goes.
G: So do you have anything else on your list that you still
want to do and haven't had the opportunity to do yet?
Sr: No, I've got a lot of HO trains out there in the shed that I'm building a big table for and
along with that, a boat that I've built and and another one I want to build, radio-
controlled boats. I keep pretty busy.
G: Yeah, last time we did this interview you weren't
into the remote-controlled stuff.
Sr: No, I got stuck on that deal.
G: So we haven't discussed that at all yet. Why don't
we go there.
Sr: Well, they had a radio-controlled meet - they call
them "fly-ins" in Slidell. And we went out there to
watch it and they talked me into buying - it was a
fund raiser. The fund raiser was for one of the
member, I think, had been hurt or something. So I
spent five dollars and got six tickets and about two
weeks after the air show, well the hobby shop called
and told me that I'd won an airplane, all for five
bucks. Time I got it built it was three hundred and
some bucks. And I wasn't into airplanes (chuckle)
so I gave it to George. Now he's playing with it. So
then I wanted to build a PT boat - 109 - the one that
J. F. Kennedy sunk and it's radio controlled. I built that. It was a kit. Laser cut where
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you had to do all your own trimming and stuff like that. Make a lot of your own parts.
And I've got another one - that's to work on this Fall – well the PT was thirty-six inches
long with a nine inch beam, and this one is fifty-two inches long and twelve inch beam
on it. It's going to have a lot more electronics on it than the other one did. More room
in there. But I've got to get back to my train table. Getting corrosion all over my track
and everything else out there and I haven't begun to get it landscaped or anything like
that. I've got most of the track laid and the track I've got laid I've wired with one little
exception that I've got to do a special wiring on it to reverse a polarity for going from
one section of track to another.

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jkljkl
V o l u m e 1 , Issue 1
George LeRoy Hawley
August 9,1923

NEWS F ROM THE PAST

Cost of Living 1923 THE HAWLEY’S ANNOUNCE THE

Gallon of Milk $.54
B IRTH OF GEORGE L E ROY H AWLEY
Loaf of Bread $.09

New Auto $500.00

Gallon of Gas $.11
New Home $7,400.00
Average Income $1,265.00
Dow Jones 95.52
Sports
• For the third straight year,
it’s New York vs New
York in the World Series,
with the Yankees emerg-
ing victorious this time.
• Jack Dempsey defeats
Tom Gibbons in 15
rounds to retain his heavy-
weight title. The bout is
held in Shelby, Montana.
A few months later,
Dempsey KOs Luis Firpo
UNITED STATES IN MOURNING
in New York.
• Tommy Milton wins the
Indy 500, averaging 90.9
mph.
Songs Popular in 1923
• “Annabelle” performed by
Lew Brown
Cecil and Sarah Hawley an-
nounce the birth of their baby
boy George LeRoy Hawley.
Born on this day, August 9,
1923, George is the youngest
child of four. The Hawley’s
other children from oldest to
youngest are: James Orris
Hawley born July 5, 1919,
Cecil Earl Hawley Jr., born
November 29, 1920 and
Ellen Maxine Hawley born
February 25, 1922.
Proud parents, Cecil and Sarah Hawley. This is a later
picture and no baby picture of George is available.
The people of the United In other news, Germany United States. Fascist
States mourn the death of stopped paying war leader Benito Mussolini
President Warren Harding , reparations. France and demands a formal apol-
who suffered an apoplectic Great Britain were con- ogy from the Greek Gov-
stroke as he spoke with his templating how to re- ernment for the murder
wife in San Francisco. Cal- spond to Germany’s ac- of an Italian border com-
vin Coolidge succeeded tions. Mexico is officially missioner.
Harding as U.S. President. recognized by the

• “Charleston” sung by
Cecil Mack Entertainment

• “I Love Life” by Irwin • Art– Marc Chagall paints “Love Idyll”

Cassel
• Film—Douglas Fairbanks stars in “Robin Hood.”
• “Mexicali Rose” by Helen
Stone • Music—George Gershwin’s “Rhapsody in Blue”

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 V o l u m e 1 , Issue 1
Gleaning From The Past
1923 thru 1999

NEWS F ROM THE P AST

Birth Age 16 Age 40 Age 65 Age 76
Cost of Living 1923 1939 1963 1988 1999

Gallon of Milk $.54 $.49 $1.04 $2.00 $2.87

Loaf of Bread $.09 $.08 $.21 $1.28 $1.76

New Auto $500.00 $750.00 $2,300.00 $7,222.00 $17,995.00

Gallon of Gas $.11 $.15 $.25 $1.07 $1.09

New Home $7,400.00 $6,416.00 $30,000.00 $123,182.00 $133,300.00

Average Income $1,265.00 $1,231.00 $5,807.00 $15,053.00 $21,951.28

Dow Jones 95.52 150.24 762.95 2,168.57 11,250.14

Headlines of the Month and Sports of the Year

1939
In Washington, D.C., President Roosevelt signs legislation that prevents campaigning by federal employees.
President Roosevelt announces that he is moving Thanksgiving Day from November 30 to November 23. Roo-
sevelt decides to make the change so Thanksgiving will not be so close to Christmas. Albert Einstein writes a
letter to President Roosevelt, saying that the production of an atomic bomb is possible. New York Yankees
wins the World Series.

1963
In New York, the United States informs the United Nations that it will stop arms sales to South Africa. Presi-
dent Kennedy announces that he opposes job quotas based on race. In Moscow, the United States, Great
Britain and the Soviet Union officially sign a treaty banning nuclear testing. In other news, Cambodia breaks
off relations with South Vietnam. The Los Angeles Dodgers win the World Series and Willie Mays signs a
$100,000.00 contract with the New York Giants.

1988
In Washington, D.C., the FDA approves the drug Rogaine. Republican presidential candidate George Bush se-
lects Senator Dan Quayle of Indiana as his running mate. U.S. Secretary of Education William Bennent resigns
from his position. President Ronald Reagan appoints Laura Cavazos to replace Bennent. In the Soviet Union,
demonstrations take place in three Baltic states to protest Soviet rule. In other news, Japan announces a
plan to develop a commercial jet that will travel five times faster than the speed of sound. Los Angeles wins
the World Series and the Washington Redskins win Super Bowl XXII.

1999
Hundreds of thousands of voters turn out August 30 in East Timor for a U.N. sponsored referendum to decide
if the Indonesian region will become independent. But rampaging militias force thousands to flee. Congress
passes a $792 billion tax cut package as President Bill Clinton vows to veto the measure. The world’s best
basketball player, Michael Jordan, retires from the Chicago Bulls at age 35. New York Yankees win the World
Series and the Denver Broncos win Super Bowl XXXIII. Lance Armstrong overcomes cancer to win bicycle rac-
ings prestigious Tour de France.

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Top

Joseph Hawley of Stratford, Connecticut

(1603 - 1690)

The following outlines what is known and conjectured concerning Joseph

Hawley.
o As of the date of his will, September 17, 1689, he owned "lands and build-
ings in Parwidge in Darbyshere, Old England" which he left to his son, Sam-
uel Hawley. It appears possible, therefore, that he originally came from Par-
wich -- though far from certain.
o He is assumed to have been born around 1603 (deduced from other data on
his life).
o His handwriting as Town Clerk has been termed peculiar and of a sort used at
that time on state documents in London; thus it is possible he was educated or
trained there, and may have had a government position.
o He is assumed to have come to America circa 1629-1630, possibly accompa-
nied by Thomas Hauley and Robert Haule, who may have been brothers. He
may have first lived in Massachusetts, where Thomas Hauley settled perma-
nently.
o The first record mentioning Joseph Hawley places him in Stratford, Con-
necticut, in 1650. He had probably not been there more than a year or two
(the birth of his son Samuel in 1647 or 1648 is not found in Stratford re-
cords).
o Joseph Hawley held several offices in the local government over the years,
and acquired large land holdings in Connecticut. He died May 20, 1690.
o Upon Joseph's death May 20, 1690, the Parwich properties in Derbyshire
passed to his son, Samuel (1647-1734). It is known that Samuel sold these
holdings, but the date and purchaser are unknown. (Samuel died August 24,
1734, so the sale of these properties could have taken place at any time be-
tween May 20, 1690 and August 24, 1734.) A flow of payments stemming
from this transaction continued for some time. Samuel's son, Samuel, Jr.
(1674-1754), signed a quit-claim to these properties, transferring all remain-
ing claims to his brother Nathaniel, in exchange for fifteen acres of meadow
land in Connecticut.
o Nathaniel continued to receive payments from England, related to his claims
on the "lands and buildings" in Parwich which had belonged to his grandfa-
ther and which his father had sold. The last payments came in the form of
brass kettles. We do not know the dates and the amounts. Nathaniel lived un-
til January 7, 1754.

According to Elias S. Hawley, The Hawley Record (Buffalo: E.H. Hutchinson, 1890),
Joseph was probably one of five siblings who emigrated from England to America.
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There were apparently two sisters, Hanna and Elizabeth, in addition to the two brothers
mentioned above (Thomas, who settled in Roxbury, Massachusetts and Robert who
settled in Rhode Island). We know neither the name of Joseph's father, nor whether the
father came to America. Research has identified a few possible candidates:

o Samuel Haule, of Charlestown, Massachusetts. An inventory dated in 1637 had

been found, as cited in The Hawley Record, and it appeared to Elias Hawley
that this might be the father of Joseph and his siblings.
o "Judge Samuel Hawley", possibly identical with Samuel Haule, above.
American Historical Company, Inc., Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of
America (New York, 1941), Vol. VII, p.134, cites Joseph Hawley as the son of
Judge Samuel Hawley, and having been born in Parwidge, Derbyshire, in about
1603. )Note this may be based on The Hawley Record, rather than separate
sources.
o James Hawley, of Brentford House, Middlesex (1558 - Sept. 1622). Three sons
and two daughters by his second marriage reportedly came to Boston about
1630 (names unknown; source: notes in family records). Elias S. Hawley, The
Hawley Record, lists James Hawley of Brentford as the son of Jeremy Hawley
(d. 1593) and grandson of John Hawley of Auler, Co. Somerset. (It is reported
in The Hawley Record that James, son by his first wife, served as Treasurer of
Maryland; further, according to Conrad Swan's correspondence with me, a
younger son went to Virginia.)
o William Hawley, of Derbyshire, son of Sir William and great grandson of
Robert de Hawley, had many grandchildren and "...it is possible that this
William Hawley was ancestor of the large and prolific yeoman family who
owned land in the various parishes (notably Youlgrave and Elton) around
Parwich in Derby." (Source: Conrad Swan correspondence cites pedigrees in
1564 Visitation of Lincolnshire, and mentions that Robert was "Lord of"
numerous manors in Lincoln and of Thurbeston, Co. Derby.")

From the above it would appear that several clues suggest research be done:
land transfer documents which might record either Joseph Hawley's acquisition
of "lands and buildings in Parwidge" or, following its inheritance on May 20,
1690, by his son Samuel, its eventual sale between that date and Samuel's death
in 1734; wills at Litchfield even after 1650 which may be relevant; any
documents which might reflect the payments related to these properties which
continued to be made to Samuel, Jr. and to Nathaniel Hawley -- finally in the
unusual form of brass or copper kettles. Furthermore, records pertaining to
Youlgrave and Elton may also turn up references to Hawley-owned property
there, as suggested by Dr. Swan's comment cited above. finally, materials
which may have been assembled by others on the history of some of the
English families noted above may enable a connection to be identified. --
F. William Hawley

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 Descendants of Joseph Hawley
Generation No. 1

1. JOSEPH2 HAWLEY (SAMUEL’) was born 1603 in Parwich, Derbyshire, England, and
died May 20, 1690 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. He married KATHERINE BIRDSEY 1646
in Wethersfield, Fairfield Co, CT. She was born 1626 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT, and died
June 25, 1692 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

More About JOSEPH HAWLEY:

Fact 1: May 23, 1690, Buried Congregational Church Cemetery, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

More About KATHERINE BIRDSEY:

Burial: Congregational Church Cemetery, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

Children of JOSEPH HAWLEY and KATHERINE BIRDSEY are:

2. i. SAMUEL3 HAWLEY, b. May 14, 1647, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. August 24,
1734, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
ii. JOSEPH HAWLEY, JR, b. January 09, 1648/49, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
June 25, 1691; m.
CATHERINE?.

More About JOSEPH HAWLEY, JR:

Fact 1: Buried Congregational Church Cemetery, Stratford, Fairfield co, CT

3. iii. ELIZABETH HAWLEY, b. January 26, 1650/5 1, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
May 10, 1676, Saybrook, Fairfield Co, CT.
iv. EBENEZER HAWLEY, b. September 17, 1654, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
October 03, 1681, Fairfield, Fairfield Co, CT; m. ESTHER WARD, April 19,
1678.
v. HANNAH HAWLEY, b. May 26, 1657, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. Aft.
1736; m. JOSIAH NICHOLS, December 13, 1678.
vi. EPHRAIM HAWLEY, b. August 07, 1659, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. April
18, 1690, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; m. SARAH WELLS, December 04, 1683,
Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
4. vii. CAPTAIN JOHN HAWLEY, b. June 14, 1661, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
July 27, 1729, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
viii. MARY HAWLEY, b. July 16, 1663, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. September
09, 1731, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; m. CAPTAIN JOHN COE, December 20,
1682, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

More About MARY HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Buried Cong. Cli. Cem
Fact 2: Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

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 Generation No. 2

2. SAMUEL3 HAWLEY (JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born May 14, 1647 in Stratford,
Fairfield Co, CT, and died August 24, 1734 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. He married MARY
THOMPSON May 20, 1673.

Child of SAMUEL HAWLEY and MARY THOMPSON is:

i. JOSEPH4 HAWLEY.

3. ELIZABETH3 HAWLEY (JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born January 26, 1650/51 in

Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT, and died May 10, 1676 in Saybrook, Fairfield Co, CT. She married
JOHN CHAPMAN June 07, 1670 in Saybrook, Middlesex Co, CT.

Children of ELIZABETH HAWLEY and JOHN CHAPMAN are:

i. JOHN4 CHAPMAN.
ii. JOSEPH CHAPMAN.

4. CAPTAIN JOHN3 HAWLEY (JOSEPH2, SAMUELI) was born June 14, 1661 in Stratford,
Fairfield Co, CT, and died July 27, 1729 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. He married
DEBORAH PIERSON April 23, 1686 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. She was born May 08,
1666 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT, and died December 03, 1739 in Stratford, Fairfield Co,
CT.

More About CAPTAIN JOHN HAWLEY:

Fact 1: July 30, 1729, Buried Congregational Church Cemetery, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

More About DEBORAH PIERSON:

Burial: Congregational Church Cemetery, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

Children of JOHN HAWLEY and DEBORAH PIERSON are:

i. HENRY4 HAWLEY, b. January 26, 1686/87, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
February 18, 1752, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; m. MARY PICKETT, June 18,
1713, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
ii. HANNAH HAWLEY, b. October 13, 1689, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
December 01, 1739; m. JOSEPH JUOSON, March 14, 1708/09, Stratford,
Fairfield Co, CT.
iii. DEBORAH HAWLEY, b. April 21, 1692, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. Bef.
1727, Newtown, Fairfield Co, CT; m. DAVID FAIRCHILD, April 20, 1711,
Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
5. iv. JOHN HAWLEY, JR, b. January 04, 1692/93, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
1742, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
v. MARY HAWLEY, b. July 06, 1697, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. February 14,
1747/48, Fairfield, Fairfield Co, CT; m. COLONEL JOHN READ, September
26, 1723, Fairfield, Fairfield Co, CT.

More About MARY HAWLEY:

Fact 1: May 14, 1699, Christened

vi. NATHAN HAWLEY, b. March 15, 1699/00, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d.
February 24, 1746/47, Trumbell. Fairfield Co, CT; m. SILENCE MALLORY,
August 06, 1719, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
vii. KATHERINE HAWLEY, b. March 06, 170 1/02, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
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 viii. SARAH HAWLEY, b. February 10, 1704/05; d. March 1727/28; m. DANIEL
PORTER, March 25, 1725, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

More About SARAH HAWLEY:

Christening: February 10, 1704/05, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

ix. JOSEPH HAWLEY, b. April 27, 1707; d. December 12, 1771, Redding,
Fairfield Co, CT; m. HANNAH WALKER, January 25, 1727/28, Stratford,
Fairfield Co, CT.

More About JOSEPH HAWLEY:

Fact 1: April 27, 1707, Christened Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

Generation No. 3

5. JOHN4 HAWLEY, JR (JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL1) was born January 04, 1692/93 in
Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT, and died 1742 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. He married SARAH
WALKER December 20, 1716 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT. She was born July 23, 1697 in
Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

Children of JOHN HAWLEY and SARAH WALKER are:

i. KATHERINE5 HAWLEY, b. October 04, 1717, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
6. ii. JOHN HAWLEY III, b. September 21, 1719, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT; d. Aft.
1766, ,Albany Co, NY.
iii. ISAAC HAWLEY, b. December 08, 1723, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.
iv. ROBERT HAWLEY, b. Unknown; d. Aft. 1796; m. ANNA BEACH, March 15,
1749/50.

More About ROBERT HAWLEY:

Christening: June 05, 1726, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

v. RUTH HAWLEY, b. Unknown; m. DAVID BEACH.

More About RUTH HAWLEY:

Christening: June 05, 1726, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

vi. JOB HAWLEY, b. Unknown; d. September 13, 1821; m. ANN ELMER, March
09, 1760, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

More About JOB HAWLEY:

Fact 1: July 07, 1728, Christened Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

vii. PHEBE HAWLEY, b. Unknown; m. JOHN GREGORY.

More About PHEBE HAWLEY:

Christening: August 23, 1730, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

viii. JEREMIAH HAWLEY, b. Unknown.

More About JEREMIAH HAWLEY:

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 Fact 1: March 1732/33, Christened Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

ix. CHARITY HAWLEY, b. Unknown; d. 1795; m. DANIEL GREGORY.

More About CHARITY HAWLEY:

Christening: 1735, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT

x. SARAH HAWLEY, b. 1737, Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT.

Generation No. 4

6. JOHN5 HAWLEY III (JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born September 21,
1719 in Stratford, Fairfield Co, CT, and died Aft. 1766 in ,Albany Co, NY. He married
REBECKAH? August 08, 1738 in Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT. She was born in Stratford,
Fairfield Co, CT.

Children of JOHN HAWLEY and REBECKAH ? are:

7. i. CAPTAIN ABNER6 HAWLEY, b. December 15, 1739, Haddam, Middlesex Co,
CT; d. Aft. 1810.
ii. REBECKAH HAWLEY, b. May 25, 1742, Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT.

More About REBECKAH HAWLEY:

Christening: May 30, 1742, Durham, Middlesex Co, CT

iii. MARTHA HAWLEY, b. January 16, 1744/45, Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT.

More About MARTHA HAWLEY:

Fact 1: January 20, 1744/45, Christened Durham, Middlesex Co, CT

iv. SARAH HAWLEY, b. May 23, 1747, Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT.

More About SARAH HAWLEY:

Christening: July 05, 1747, Durham, Middlesex Co, CT

v. JOHN HAWLEY IV, li. November 11, 1749, Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT.

More About JOHN HAWLEY IV:

Fact 1: March 25, 1750, Christened Durham, Middlesex Co, CT

Generation No. 5

7. CAPTAIN ABNER6 HAWLEY (JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL1)’ was

born December 15, 1739 in Haddam, Middlesex Co, CT, and died Aft. 1810. He married
MARGARET ANDRUS 1760. She was born 1736 in Haddam Neck, Middlesex Co, CT.

Children of ABNER HAWLEY and MARGARET ANDRUS are:

i. ABNER7 HAWLEY, JR, b. Abt. 1760, ,,NY; m. SARAH WAY.
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8. ii. JAMES HAWLEY, b. 1765, ,Albany Co, NY; d. 1814, Randolph, Cattaraugus
Co, NY.
iii. THOMAS HAWLEY, b. 1770, ,Columbia Co, NY; d. 1851, Morenci, Lenawee
Co, MI; m. ELIZABETH TERRY, 1793.

More About THOMAS HAWLEY:

Burial: Canandaigu Cemetery
iv. NAOMI HAWLEY, b. November 02, 1771, ,Deleware Co, NY; d. May 12,
1847, Elkhart, Elkhart Co, IN; m. ANDREW CALHOUN, 1793, ,Delaware Co,
NY.
v. JOHN BENJAMIN HAWLEY, b. Abt. 1772, ,,NY; d. Abt. 1804, Bloomfield,
Ontario Co, NY.
vi. LUTHER HAWLEY, b. Abt. 1775, ,,NY.

Generation No. 6

8. JAMES7 HAWLEY (ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL1)23 was born
1765 in ,Albany Co, NY, and died 1814 in Randolph, Cattaraugus Co, NY. He married
HANNAH BERRAY. She was born 1771 in ,,CO, and died October 25, 1858 in Millersburg,
Bond Co, IL.

More About JAMES HAWLEY:

Burial: Randolph, Cattaraugus Co, NY

More About HANNAH BERRAY:

Burial: Hug Cemetery, Millersburg, Bond Co, IL

Children of JAMES HAWLEY and HANNAH BERRAY are:

i. CLARISSA8 HAWLEY, b. 1789, ,Ontario Co, NY; m. AMOS BLAKERLY,
August 27, 1828, Trumbull Co, OH.
9. ii. LUTHER L. HAWLEY, b. July 05, 1791, Walton, Deleware Co, NY; d. August
24, 1857, Seneca, Nemaha Co, KS.
iii. SALINA HAWLEY, b. 1800, ,Ontario Co, NY; m. EDWARD BEMENT,
December 12, 1815, Victor, Ontario Co, NY.
iv. HARRIET HAWLEY, b. July 29, 1800, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d. August 27,
1883, Rochester, Olmsted Co, MN; m. RUFUS PUTNAM CHAPMAN, July 07,
1817.

More About HARRIET HAWLEY:

Fact I: Buried Lincoln Cem
Fact 2: Rochester, Olmstead Co, MN

10. v. JOHN MILTON HAWLEY, b. November 14, 1802, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d.
September 19, 1867, Okaw Township, Bond Co, IL.

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9. LUTHER L.8 HAWLEY (JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,

SAMUEL1)456 was born July 05, 1791 in Walton, Deleware Co, NY, and died August 24, 1857
in Seneca, Nemaha Co, KS ~. He married MARGARET SALES8 January 06, 1815 in Victor,
Ontario Co, NY9. She was born March 18, 1796 in Charleston, Montgomery Co, NY, and died
1892 in Seneca, Nemaha Co, KS9.

Children of LUTHER HAWLEY and MARGARET SALES are:

i. WILLIAM J.9 HAWLEY, b. October 26, 1815, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d. Aft.
1883, ,Nemaha Co, KS.
ii. FRANCIS LYMAN HAWLEY, b. July 20, 1818, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d.
April 15, 1890, Coming, Nemaha Co, KS; m. SARAH A. ARTHUR, July 28,
1840, ,Madison Co, IL.

More About FRANCIS LYMAN HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Buried Dennis Cemetery, Nemaha Co, KS

iii. HORACE B. HAWLEY, b. June 14, 1820, Volney, Oswego Co, NY.
iv. ALONZO F. HAWLEY, b. December 01, 1822, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d. Aft.
1893; m. SOPHIA HOLLAND, June 08, 1848, ,Madison Co, IL.
v. HARRIET D. HAWLEY, b. October 05, 1824, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d.
January 1850; m. LOUIS P. PENSONEAU, June 10, 1847.
vi. LORENZO DOW HAWLEY, b. June 25, 1826, Victor, Ontario Co, NY; d.
August 25, 1912, Galena, KS; m. HANNAH EMILENE ALLRED, April 04,
1849, Waterloo, Monroe Co, IL.

More About LORENZO DOW HAWLEY:

Burial: August 27, 1912, Seneca, Nemaha Co, KS

11. vii. AUGUSTUS DEAN HAWLEY, b. January 29, 1829, Rochester, Monroe Co,
NY; d. Topeka, Shawnee Co, KS.
viii. MARY JANE HAWLEY, b. 1831, ,,NY.
ix. HANNAH M. HAWLEY, b. 1838, ,,NY; d. Aft. 1904; m. CHARLES
HARWOOD, April 06, 1856.

10. JOHN MILTON8 HAWLEY (JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JoHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL1) was born November 14, 1802 in Victor, Ontario Co, NY, and died September 19,
1867 in Okaw Township, Bond Co, IL. He married MARY ANN TAFT April 06, 1826 in
Hartford, Trumbull Co, OH. She was born January 14, 1807 in VT, and died August 16, 1865
in Millersberg, Bond Co, IL.

More About JOHN MILTON HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Buried Hug Cemetery, Millersburg, Bond Co, IL

Children of JOHN HAWLEY and MARY TAFT are:

i. CELIA ANN9 HAWLEY, b. December 18, 1826; d. April 17, 1886, Beaver
Creek, Bond Co, IL; m. JOSEPH GRIFFIN WRIGHT, September 13, 1847,
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ii. BOY HAWLEY, b. February 15, 1827.
iii. LUTHER CAREY HAWLEY, b. May 04, 1829, Trumbull Co, OH; d. July 13,
1917, Hanford, Kings Co, CA; m. ALICE M. STEVENSON, November 23,
1865, Fayette Co, IL.
iv. DELEVAN BEMENT HAWLEY, b. February 02, 1831, Fowler Twp, Trumbull
Co, OH; d. January 10, 1918, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. SUSAN E. STEELE,
March 09, 1854.
v. ROMAIN MILTON HAWLEY, b. May 07, 1832, Columbus, Franklin Co, OH;
d. July 19, 1914, Sioux Falls, Minnehaha Co, SD; m. LOUISA WALTON, June
10, 1852.
vi. VIRGINIA AUGUSTA HAWLEY, b. February 09, 1834, Columbus, Franklin
Co, OH; d. February 21, 1909, Pullman, Whitman Co, WA; m. PETER JEROME
HOCKETT, December 02, 1855, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
vii. HARRIET L. HAWLEY, b. April 01, 1835.
viii. JULIUS AURLELIUS HAWLEY, b. May 03, 1836, Madison Co, IL; d. 1919,
CA; m. MARY ANN POTTS, March 07, 1861, Bond Co, IL.
ix. JAMES V. HAWLEY, b. March 05, 1839.
x. JOHN HENRY HAWLEY, b. March 25, 1843, Jetts Prairie, Bond Co, IL; d.
April 27, 1931, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. ANNIS AMERICA EPPSTINE,
November 29, 1866, Bond Co, IL.
xi. VICTORIA E. HAWLEY, b. January 10, 1844, Millersberg, Bond Co, IL; d.
July 11, 1930, Campbell, Dunklin co, MO; m. JOHN PELLIGOOD, February
28, 1861.
xii. MARY HAWLEY, b. January 05, 1845.
xiii. ELIZABETH HAWLEY, b. January 05, 1845.

12. xiv. VIRGINIUS AUGUSTUS HAWLEY, b. September 02, 1846, Millersberg, Bond
Co, IL; d. April 21, 1913, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
xv. GEORGE LOGAN HAWLEY, b. October 16, 1854, Bond Co, IL; d. September
28, 1919, Blytheville, Mississippi Co, AK; m. ABBIE ABLIZZARD FENSLEY,
January 21, 1880, Fayette Co, IL.

Generation No. 8

11. AUGUSTUS DEAN9 HAWLEY (LUTHER L.8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4,
JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born January 29, 1829 in Rochester, Monroe Co, NY, and
died in Topeka, Shawnee Co, KS. He married NANCY G. RAY April 06, 1856 in ,Schuyler
Co, MO’3. She was born June 01, 1840 in ,,KY, and died 1930 in Topeka, Shawnee Co, KS.

More About AUGUSTUS DEAN HAWLEY:

Burial: Lebanon, Smith Co, KS
Fact 1: State of MO Marriage Certificate

More About NANCY G. RAY:

Burial: Lebanon, Smith Co, KS

Children of AUGUSTUS HAWLEY and NANCY RAY are:

i. MARY J.10 HAWLEY, b. January 06, 1857, ,,MO; d. Downes, Osborn Co, KS.
ii. CHARLES W. HAWLEY, b. January 06, 1861, ,,KS.
13. iii. AUGUSTUS DEAN HAWLEY, JR, b. August 08, 1863, ,,IA.
iv. PAULINE HAWLEY, b. October 12, 1865, Seneca, Nemeha Co, KS; d. October
28, 1966, Holyoke, Phillips Co, CO; m. SAMUEL SCOTT, 1929; d. April 03,
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v. WILLIAM HAWLEY, b. 1868, ,,MO.
14. vi. HORACE BERRY HAWLEY, b. August 27, 1869, Troy, Lincoln Co, MO; d.
December 26, 1949, Forbes, Holt Co, MO.
vii. FRANKLIN HAWLEY, b. May 11, 1876.
viii. LANA HAWLEY, b. October 04, 1879; m. ? ROBERTS.
ix. LOTTIE HAWLEY, b. January 30, 1883; d. January 1984; m. ? BROWN.

12. VIRGINIUS AUGUSTUS9 HAWLEY (JOHN MILTON8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,

JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL I) was born September 02, 1846 in Millersberg, Bond
Co, IL, and died April 21, 1913 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL. He married ELLEN ELIZABETH
GOODSON March 15, 1871 in Bond Co, IL. She was born September 26, 1851 in Bond Co,
IL, and died August 08, 1944 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL.

Children of VIRGINIUS HAWLEY and ELLEN GOODSON are:

i. HENRY CLAY10 HAWLEY, b. March 17, 1872, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d.
December 18, 1970, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. OLLIE HINCH, September 25,
1894, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
ii. REV. ALVIN DALE HAWLEY, b. April 25, 1874, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d.
May 04, 1954, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. AMERICA ADELINE POTTS,
April 22, 1900, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
iii. ALICE HAWLEY, b. December 11, 1876, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d. October
06, 1881, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
iv. REV. CHARLES A. HAWLEY, b. November 13, 1878, Millersberg, Bond Co,
IL; d. May 17, 1967, Boise, Ada Co, ID; m. MYRTLE JANE MYERS, January
31, 1904, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
v. LUTHER F. HAWLEY, b. September 26, 1881, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d.
February 07, 1979, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. PEARL ALDERMAN, January
28, 1907, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
vi. JOHN EDWIN HAWLEY, b. June 28, 1883, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d.
October 11, 1967, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. BLANCH MAIDIE RAINEY,
October 05, 1911, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
vii. LOUIS CHESTER HAWLEY, b. June 19, 1885, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d.
April 12, 1967, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. LENA MAY MATTHEWS, August
29, 1914, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
viii. MAUDE MYRTLE HAWLEY, b. February 09, 1888, Greenville, Bond Co, IL;
d. March 22, 1963, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m. ELZA EMORY EDWARDS,
July 1907, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
ix. RUSSELL LEROY HAWLEY, b. November 13, 1889, Greenville, Bond Co, IL;
d. February 03, 1953, Pendleton, Umatilla Co, OR; m. MARY MARIE
ALDERMAN, February 17, 1912, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
15. x. EDNA PEARL HAWLEY, b. August 11, 1893, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; d. July
18, 1971, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.

Generation No. 9
13. AUGUSTUS DEAN10 HAWLEY, JR (AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8, JAMES7,
ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHM’, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL1) was born August 08, 1863 in ,,IA.
He married ANNE?. She was born April 1870 in ,,MO.

More About AUGUSTUS DEAN HAWLEY, JR:

Burial: Gunnison Cemetery, Gunnison, Gunnison Co, CO

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Children of AUGUSTUS HAWLEY and ANNE ? are:
i. MILTON11 HAWLEY, b. February 1887, ,,KS.
ii. VERNON HAWLEY, b. December 1893, ,KS.
iii. LOLA HAWLEY, b. March 1897, ,,KS.

14. HORACE BERRY’0 HAWLEY (AUGUSTUS DEAI’P, LUTHER L.8, JAMES7, ABNER6,
JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’)’4 was born August 27, 1869 in Troy, Lincoln
Co, MO, and died December 26, 1949 in Forbes, Holt Co, MO. He married (1) MARY
ELLEN BROwNLEE in Forbes, Holt Co, MO, daughter of JOHN BROWNLEE and
BARBARA DAVIS. She was born April 28, 1877 in Forbes, Holt Co, MO, and died August
14, 1946 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. He married (2) JESSIE ALMA Fox October 10, 1923 in
Colby,Thomas Co, KS. She was born August 03, 1905 in Garrison, Pottawatomi Co, KS, and
died January 18, 1986 in Colorado Springs, El Paso Co, CO.

More About HORACE BERRY HAWLEY:

Burial: Buried Evergreen Cemetery, Colorado Springs, El Paso Co, CO

More About MARY ELLEN BROWNLEE:

Burial: Mt. Auburn Cemetery, St. Jospeh, Buchanan Co, MO

More About JESSIE ALMA FOX:

Burial: Buried Evergreen Cemetery, Colorado Springs, El Paso Co, CO

Children of HORACE HAWLEY and MARY BROWNLEE are:

16. i. CECIL EARL11 HAWLEY, b. January 03, 1896, Forbes, Holt Co, MO; d. May 13,
1986, Biloxi, Jackson Co, MS.
ii. CLARENCE FRANKLIN HAWLEY, b. June 1897, Downes, Osborn Co, KS; d.
December 24, 1902, Forbes, Holt Co, MO.
iii. NAOMI ELLEN HAWLEY, b. December 04, 1899, Downes, Osborn Co, KS; d.
June 30, 1987, St. Joseph, Buchanan Co, MO; m. LEONIDAS PAXTON,
Unknown, Savannah, Andrew Co, MO.

Child of HORACE HAWLEY and JESSIE FOX is:

17. iv. HERBERT DEAN11 HAWLEY, b. July 08, 1924, Menlo,,KS.

15. EDNA PEARL’0 HAWLEY (VIRGINIUSAUGUSTUS9, JOHN MILTON8, JAMES7,

ABNER6,JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born August 11, 1893 in
Greenville, Bond Co, IL, and died July 18, 1971 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL. She married
CURTIS MELVIN RIGGIN November 29, 1917 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL. He was born
January 22, 1894 in Bond Co, IL, and died April 04, 1970 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL.

Children of EDNA HAWLEY and CURTIS RIGGIN are:

18. i. NELDA LUCILLE11 RIGGIN, b. September11, 1918, Greenville, Bond Co, IL.
ii. MILDRED LOUISE RIGGIN, b. December 06, 1920, Greenville, Bond Co, IL;
m. CHARLES LEROY FRANKLIN, September 06, 1945, Greenville, Bond Co,
IL.
iii. LELLA PEARL RIGGIN, b. February 26, 1923, Greenville, Bond Co, IL; m.
PEYTON RANDOLPH DAVIS, August 20, 1942, Lafayette, Walker Co, GA.

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16. CECIL EARL” HAWLEY (HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8,
JAMES7ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’)’5’6 was born January 03,
1896 in Forbes, Holt Co, MO, and died May 13, 1986 in Biloxi, Jackson Co, MS’7. He married
(1) SARAH FRANCES TILTON December 18, 1918 in Topeka, Shawnee Co, KS, daughter
of JAMES TILTON and MINNIE FRONCE. She was born January 03, 1901 in Alida, Gerry
Co, KS, and died July 10, 1960 in Wakeeney, Trego Co, KS’8. He married (2) VINA
OBERHELMAN Aft. 1960.

More About CECIL EARL HAWLEY:

Burial: Mt. Auburn Cemetery, St. Jospeh, Buchanan Co, MO
Fact 1: Mississippi State Dept of Health Certificate of Death

More About SARAH FRANCES TILTON:

Fact 1: Buried Mt. Auburn Cemetery, St. Joseph, Buchanan Co, MO

Children of CECIL HAWLEY and SARAH TILTON are:

19. i. JAMES 0RRI512 HAWLEY, b. July 05, 1919, Garrison, Pottawatomi Co ,KS;
December 08, 1990, FL.
ii. CECIL EARL HAWLEY, JR, b. November 29, 1920, St. Joseph, Buchanan Co,
MO; d. November 26, 1924, Wakeeney, Trego Co, KS.
20. iii. ELLEN MAXINE HAWLEY, b. February 25, 1922, Garrison, Pottawatomi Co,
KS.
21. iv. GEORGE LEROY HAWLEY, b. August 09, 1923, Blue Valley Township,
Pottawatomi Co, KS.

17. HERBERT DEAN” HAWLEY (HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8,
JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born July 08, 1924 in
Menlo, KS. He married DORA IRENE GISH January 04, 1946 in Castle Rock, Jefferson Co,
CO.

Children of HERBERT HAWLEY and DORA GISH are:

i. PATRICIA EARLEEN’2 HAWLEY, b. October 28, 1947.
ii. KATHERINE PAULINE HAWLEY, b. December 14, 1951.

18. NELDA LUCILLE” RIGGIN (EDNA PEARL’0 HAWLEY, VIRGINIUS AUGUSTUS9,

JOHN MILTON8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born
September 11, 1918 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL. She married COURTLAND ERWIN
CONKWRIGHT August 26, 1939 in Greenville, Bond Co, IL. He was born August 26, 1904
in Ville Grove, Douglas Co, IL, and died April 03, 1985 in Champaign, Champaign Co, IL.

Children of NELDA RIGGIN and COURTLAND CONKWRIGHT are:

22. i. COURTLAND CURTIS12 CONKWRIGHT, b. August 24, 1940, Highland,
Madison Co, IL.
ii. SANDRA RAE CONKWRIGHT, b. May 26, 1947, Urbana, Champaign, Co, IL;
m. STEPHEN JAMES BRUBAKER, August 24, 1968, Urbana, Champaign Co,
IL.
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19. JAMES ORRJS’2 HAWLEY (CECIL EARL’ I, HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS DEAN9,
LUTHER L.8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born
July 05, 1919 in Garrison, Pottawatomi Co, KS, and died December 08, 1990 in FL. He
married (1) DOROTHY IRENE CRYSTAL December 11, 1937 in Bowling Green, Wood Co,
IN. She was born January 01, 1921, and died May 27, 1967. He married (2) CARRIE ELLEN
BRACE July 21, 1967. She was born August 28, 1920.

More About JAMES ORRIS HAWLEY:

Burial: Buried Cadillac Memorial Gardens, Clinton Township, Macomb Co, MI

Children of JAMES HAWLEY and DOROTHY CRYSTAL are:

23. i. JAMES EARL13 HAWLEY, b. April 22, 1940, East Detroit, Macorub Co, MI.
24. ii. SARAH PEARL HAWLEY, b. November 22, 1945, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI.
25. iii. DOROTHY ELLEN HAWLEY, b. October 09, 1947, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI; d.
January 02, 2001.

20. ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY (CECIL EARL’ 1, HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS

DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL I)
was born February 25, 1922 in Garrison, Pottawatomi Co, KS. She married TERRENCE
ARTHUR IMPEY September 20, 1941 in East Detroit, Macomb Co, MI. He was born April
20, 1920 in Illford, England.

Children of ELLEN HAWLEY and TERRENCE IMPEY are:

26. i. TERRENCE ARTHUR13 IMPEY II, b. May 06, 1943, East Detroit, Macomb Co,
MI.
27. ii. MICHAEL LESLIE IMPEY, b. September 21, 1944, Presque Isle, Piscataquis
Co, ME.
28. iii. KATHERINE ELLEN IMPEY, b. November 12, 1945, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI.
29. iv. JEFFREY EARL IMPEY, b. October 09, 1952, Warrensburg, Warren Co, MO.

21. GEORGE LEROY12 HAWLEY (CECIL EARL1 1, HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS

DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL
I) was born August 09, 1923 in Blue Valley Township, Pottawatomi Co, KS’9. He married
(1) JACQUELINE IDA WHITLEY January 08, 1944 in East Detroit, Macomb Co, MI20.
She was born May 10, 1924 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI2’, and died December 06, 1981 in
Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA22. He married (2) RUTH EDNA CORN WELL
November 09, 1984 in Garland, Dallas, Texas23’24. She was born December 07, 1925 in
Spring Valley, Fillmore Co, MN25.

More About GEORGE LEROY HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Marriage Announcement

More About JACQUELINE IDA WHITLEY:

Burial: Cadillac Memorial Garden, Clinton Twp, Macomb Co. MI

Children of GEORGE HAWLEY and JACQUELINE WHITLEY are:

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30. i. GEORGENE IDA13 HAWLEY, b. November 16, 1944, Mt Clemens, Macomb
Co, MI.
31. ii. MARY ETHEL HAWLEY, b. November 08, 1946, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI.
32. iii. JACK EARL HAWLEY, b. June 18, 1948, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. 262
iv. CECIL DAVID HAWLEY, b. July 18, 1950, Detroit, Wayne Co, M1 d. July
26, 1950, Detroit, Wayne Co, MI28.

More About CECIL DAVID HAWLEY:

Burial: Cadillac Memorial Garden, Clinton Twp, Macomb Co. MI
33. v. GEORGE LEROY HAWLEY, JR, b. May 03, 1952, Mt Clemens, Macomb Co,
MI.

Generation No. 12

23. JAMES EARL’3 HAWLEY (JAMES QRRIS2 CECIL EARL1 1, HORACE BERRY’0,
AUGUSTUS DEAN, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL I) was born April 22, 1940 in East Detroit, Macomb Co, MI. He married (1) GAIL
ELIZABETH SEVERSON October 25, 1958 in Utica, Macomb Co, MI. She was born June
21, 1941 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. He married (2) PEGGY CARPENTER December 10,
1966 in Rochester, Oakland Co, MI. She was born November 27, 1938. He married (3)
PEGGY CARPENTER March 17, 1994.

Children of JAMES HAWLEY and GAIL SEVERSON are:

i. JAMES~4 HAWLEY, b. July 10, 1959, Warren, Macomb Co, MI.

More About JAMES HAWLEY:

Adoption: September 04, 1970, Adopted by John Roushar, Mt Clemens,
Macomb Co, MI

ii. ROXANNE GAIL HAWLEY, b. August 09, 1960, Warren, Macomb Co, MI; m.
PAT MAURICE ALLBRITTON, January 03, 1981, Kokomo,,IN.

More About ROXANNE GAIL HAWLEY:

Adoption: September 04, 1970, Adopted by John Roushar, Mt Clemens,
Macomb Co, MI

iii. JOANNE DOROTHY HAWLEY, b. October 13, 1964, Mt Clemens, Macomb

Co, MI.

More About JOANNE DOROTHY HAWLEY:

Adoption: September 04, 1970, Adopted by John Roushar, Mt Clemens,
Macomb Co, MI

Children of JAMES HAWLEY and PEGGY CARPENTER are:

iv. SALLY CARPENTER’4 HAWLEY, b. May 20, 1961.

More About SALLY CARPENTER HAWLEY:

Adoption: November 27, 1968, James Earl Hawley adopted Sally Carpenter
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 v. PENNYE DAWN HAWLEY, b. June 16, 1969.

24. SARAH PEARL’3 HAWLEY (JAMES 0RR1512, CECIL EARL’ I, HORACE BERRY’0,
AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL 1) was born November 22, 1945 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. She married (1)
GERALD MICHAEL GOLA August 06, 1965 in Utica, Macomb Co, MI. She married (2)
CHARLES EUGENE FAULKNER August 18, 1967 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. He was born
January 19, 1943 in Grosse Pointe, Wayne Co, MI.
She married (3) VERNON EARL GREENWOOD March 02, 1983 in Newton,,
TX.

Children of SARAH HAWLEY and CHARLES FAULKNER are:

34. i. CATHERINE DENISE’4 FAULKNER, b. May 14, 1968, Rochester, Oakland
Co, MI.
35. ii. TRACY IRENE FAULKNER, b. September 14, 1970, Rochester, Oakland Co,
MI.
36. iii. BETH ANN FAULKNER, b. April 30, 1974, Rochester, Oakland Co, MI.

25. DOROTHY ELLEN13 HAWLEY (JAMES 0RR1512, CECIL EARL11, HORA CE BERRY10,
A UGUSTUS DEAJ’P, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JoHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL 1)
was born October 09, 1947 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI, and died January 02, 2001. She married
(1) DAVID HARVEY TONER April 30, 1965 in Ferndale, Oakland Co, MI. He was born
January 23, 1946 in Ferndale, Oakland Co, MI. She married (2) KENNETH M. MANSUR
August 29, 1987 in Mt. Pleasant, Isabella Co, MI. She married (3) DAVID HARVEY TONER
May 1991.

Children of DOROTHY HAWLEY and DAVID TONER are:

i. BABY BOY’4 TONER, b. May 23, 1965; d. May 23, 1965.
ii. TIMOTHY GUY TONER, b. July 07, 1967, Mt Clemens, Macomb Co, MI; m.
LEE ANNE?
37. iii. DOROTHY RENAE TONER, b. June 22, 1969, Mt Clemens, Macomb Co, MI.

26. TERRENCE ARTHUR13 IMPEY II (ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY, CECIL EARL’1,

HORACE BERRY10 A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4,
JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born May 06, 1943 in East Detroit, Macomb Co, MI. He
married (1) JUDY ANN CLAYCAMP March 23, 1962 in Wakeeney, Trego Co, KS. She was
born August 17, 1945 in Atascadero, San Luis Obispo Co, CA. He married (2) SUE ELLEN
CUEVAS December 23, 1989.

Children of TERRENCE IMPEY and JUDY CLAYCAMP are:

38. i. TODD ARTHUR14 IMPEY, b. September 21, 1968, Wakeeney,Trego Co
,Kansas.
39. ii. STACEY ANN IMPEY, b. August 04, 1970, Wakeeney, Trego Co, Kansas.

27. MICHAEL LESLIE’3 IMPEY (ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY, CECIL EARL’ 1, HORACE
BERRY’0,A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3,
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JOSEPH2, SAMUEL 1)was born September 21, 1944 in Presque Isle, Piscataquis Co, ME. He
married ANITA MARIE DUBUISSON November 14, 1965 in Ocean Springs, Jackson Co,
MS. She was born March 23, 1947 in Biloxi, Harrison Co, MS.

Children of MICHAEL IMPEY and ANITA DUBUISSON are:

40. i. MICHAEL LESLIE’4 IMPEY II, b. August 04, 1966, Biloxi, Harrison Co, MS.
ii. BRYAN JAMES IMPEY, b. January 15, 1969, Ocean Springs, Jackson Co, MS;
m. SHANNON JOELLE ABATE, May 25, 1996, New Orleans, Orleans Parish,
LA; b. June 12, 1970, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, LA.

28. KATHERINE ELLEN’3 IMPEY (ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY, CECIL EARL’ I,

HORACE BERRY’0 A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4,
JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born November 12, 1945 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. She
married JERREL MICHAEL GILLEY September 04, 1966 in Ocean Springs, Jackson Co,
MS. He was born July 10, 1946 in Pascagoula, Jackson Co, MS.

Children of KATHERINE IMPEY and JERREL GILLEY are:

41. i. JOHN FORREST’4 GILLEY, b. September 07, 1969, Savannah, Chatham Co, GA.
ii. JENNIFER ROBYN GILLEY, b. July 28, 1972, Havlock, Palmico Co, NC; m.
STEPHEN SAGE BURNETT, July 22, 1995, Hiram, Portage Co, OH; b. May
06, 1971, Warren, Trumbull Co, OH.

29. JEFFREY EARL’3 IMPEY (ELLEN MAxINE’ 2 HAWLEY, CECIL EARL”, HORACE
BERRY’0,A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3,
JOSEPH2, SAMUEL 1) was born October 09, 1952 in Warrensburg, Warren Co, MO. He
married SARAH MELISSA KEISTER December 26, 1976 in Ocean Springs, Jackson Co,
MS. She was born October 13, 1953 in Gulfport, Harrison Co, MS.

Children of JEFFREY IMPEY and SARAH KEISTER are:

i. JEREMY HEATH’4 IMPEY, b. July 18, 1980, Ocean Springs, Jackson Co, MS.
ii. JASON AARON IMPEY, b. August 25, 1984, Ocean Springs, Jackson Co, MS.

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30. GEORGENE IDA’3 HAWLEY (GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL’ I, HORACE BERRY’0,
AUGUSTUS DEAN,, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL I) was born November 16, 1944 in Mt Clemens, Macomb Co, MI. She married
JAMES ARTHUR FARR June 05, 1965 in East Detroit, Macomb Co, MI. He was born
March 13, 1945 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI.

Children of GEORGENE HAWLEY and JAMES FARR are:

42. i. KAREN LESLIE14 FARR, b. October 12, 1967, Mt Clemens, Macomb Co, MI.
43. ii. LINDA DIANNE FARR, b. September 28, 1971, Warren, Macomb Co, MI.
iii. JAMES ARTHUR FARR, JR, b. May 06, 1977, Warren, Macomb Co, MI.

31. MARY ETHEL’3 HAWLEY (GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL’ ~, HORACE BERRY’0,
A UGUSTUS DEAN, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL I) was born November 08, 1946 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. She married WILLIOW J
MARTIN April 01, 1966 in Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA. He was born April 29, 1943 in
Independence, Tangipahoa Parish, LA.

Children of MARY HAWLEY and WILLIOW MARTIN are:

44. i. MICHELLE MARIE’4 MARTIN, b. August 28, 1967, Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA.
45. ii. TIMOTHY DAVID MARTIN, b. August 15, 1969, SlidelI, St Tammany Parish,
LA.
46. iii. KEviN ANDREW MARTIN, b. April 29, 1975, Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA.
47. iv. KENNETH ALLAN MARTIN, b. April 29, 1975, Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA.

32. JACK EARL’3 HAWLEY (GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL, HORACE BERRY’0,
AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2,
SAMUEL’) was born June 18, 1948 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. He married (1) SARA LYNN
SAMPLE October 28, 1967 in Slidell, St Tammany, LA. She was born June 30, 1947 in
Indianapolis, Marion Co, IN. He married (2) JEANNE ANN SCHAIRER December 22, 1973 in
Warren, Macomb Co, MI. She was born September 15, 1948 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI. He
married (3) ELIZABETH ANN CORBIN July 28, 1990. She was born March 10, 1961, and died
January 07, 1992. He married (4) MICHELLE MOBLEY May 15, 1993 in Memphis,
Tennessee30.

More About JACK EARL HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Marriage Announcement

More About ELIZABETH ANN CORBIN:

Fact 1: Funeral Home Remembrance

Children of JACK HAWLEY and SARA SAMPLE are:

i. DAVID GLEN14 HAWLEY, b. December 19, 1969, San Diego, San Diego Co,
CA.
ii. JEREMY JAMES HAWLEY, b. November 05, 1971, Tallahassee, Leon Co, FL.

More About JEREMY JAMES HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Changed last name to Sample
Children of JACK HAWLEY and JEANNE SCHAIRER are:
48. iii. BENJAMIN AARON14 HAWLEY, b. March 05, 1975, Chantanqua, Westchester
Co, NY.
iv. KERI JEANNE HAWLEY, b. January 08, 1977, Hartford,,CN; m. JAMES
WILLIAM DRAPER, June 09, 2000, Leonard, Oakland Co, MI.
v. JACK EARL HAWLEY, JR, b. May 23, 1981, Rochester, Oakland Co, MI.

33. GEORGE LEROY’3 HAWLEY, JR (GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL, HORACE

BERRY10,AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3,
JOSEPH2, SAMUEL 1) was born May 03, 1952 in Mt Clemens, Macomb Co, MI. He
married BERTHA JUANITA WILL June 03, 1972 in Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA. She
was born August 16, 1953 in Wellington, Sumner Co, KS.

Children of GEORGE HAWLEY and BERTHA WILL are:

49. i. DEBRA DIONNE14 HAWLEY, b. April 30, 1975, El Centro, Imperial Co, CA.
ii. JENNIFER MARIE HAWLEY, b. July 12, 1978, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co, TX.

Generation No. 13

34. CATHERINE DENISE’4 FAULKNER (SARAH PEARL’3 HAWLEY, JAMES ORRIS’2,

CECIL EARL, HORACE BERRY’ 0, A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6,
JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born May 14, 1968 in Rochester, Oakland
Co, MI. She married (1) BUBBA MOBLEY 1983. She married (2) STEVE CHAPMAN April
16, 1988.

Child of CATHERINE FAULKNER and BUBBA MOBLEY is:

i. JASMINE RENAE15 MOBLEY, b. March 20, 1985.

35. TRACY IRENE’4 FAULKNER (SARAH PEARL’3 HAWLEY, JAMES ORRIS’2, CECIL
EARL”, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born September 14, 1970 in Rochester, Oakland Co,
MI. She married B. J. THOMPSON November 11, 1986.

Child of TRACY FAULKNER and B. THOMPSON is:

i. KAYLA MARIE15 THOMPSON, b. November 22, 1987.

36. BETH ANN’4 FAULKNER (SARAH PEARL’3 HAWLEY, JAMES ORRIS’2, CECIL
EARL”,HORACE BERRY’ 0, A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JoHN4, JOHN3,JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born April 30, 1974 in Rochester, Oakland Co, MI.
She married MOBLEY September 25, 1988.

Child of BETH FAULKNER and MOBLEY is:

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 i. AMANDA ANN’5 MOBLEY, b. September 07, 1988.

37. DOROTHY RENAE’4 TONER (DOROTHY ELLEN HAWLEY, JAMES ORRIS’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born June 22, 1969 in Mt Clemens, Macomb
Co, MI. She married JONCY DISLA.

Children of DOROTHY TONER and JONCY DISLA are:

i. AMANDA15 DISLA, b. July 1989.
ii. EMILY DISLA, b. February 14, 1992.

38. TODD ARTHUR’4 IMPEY (TERRENCE ARTHUR’3, ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY, CECIL
EARL”,HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born September 21, 1968 in Wakeeney,Trego Co
,Kansas. He married BERNADETTE DAVINA THOMAS June 14, 1994 in Ocean Springs,
Jackson Co, MS. She was born October 20, 1972 in Maryville, Blount Co, TN.

Children of TODD IMPEY and BERNADETTE THOMAS are:

i. COREY ARTHUR’5 IMPEY, b. October 23, 1990, Biloxi, Harrison Co, MS.
ii. CHRISTIAN AARON IMPEY, b. July 21, 1994, Ocean Springs, Jackson Co, MS.

39. STACEY ANN’4 IMPEY (TERRENCE ARTHUR’3, ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3,JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born August 04, 1970 in Wakeeney, Trego Co,
Kansas. She married SCOTT FRANKLIN HAWKINS August 01, 1991 in Ocean Springs,
Jackson Co, MS. He was born July 18, 1971 in Troy, Miami Co, OH.

Child of STACEY IMPEY and SCOTT HAWKINS is:

i. TREY SCOTT’5 HAWKINS, b. June 05, 1994, Pascagoula, Jackson Co, MS.

40. MICHAEL LESLIE’4 IMPEY II (MICHAEL LESLIE’3, ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY,

CECIL EARL’ 1, HORACE BERRY’0, AUGUSTUS DEAN, LUTHER L.8, JAMES7, ABNER6,
JOHN5, JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born August 04, 1966 in Biloxi, Harrison
Co, MS. He married TABITHA LEE BOOKER June 17, 1995 in Ocean Springs, Jackson Co,
MS. She was born November 14, 1973 in Natchez, Adams Co, MS.

Child of MICHAEL IMPEY and TABITHA BOOKER is:

i. MADISON OLIVIA15 IMPEY, b. September 27, 1998, Ocean Springs, Jackson Co,
MS.

41. JoHN FORREST’4 GILLEY (KATHERINE ELLEN’3 IMPEY, ELLEN MAXINE’2 HAWLEY,
CECIL EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born September 07, 1969 in Savannah, Chatham Co,
GA. He married DAWN MARIE SERRANO February 17, 1990 in Woodbridge, Prince William
Co, VA. She was born September 05, 1969 in ,Mercer Co, NJ.

Children of JOHN GILLEY and DAWN SERRANO are:

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 i. ASHLEY LYNNE15 GILLEY, b. September 05, 1990, Fort Belvair,,VA.
ii. ALYSSA MARIE GILLEY, b. August 22, 1995, Flemington, Hunterdon Co, VA.
iii. RHIANNON LEIGH GILLEY, b. October 14, 1998.

42. KAREN LESLIE’4 FARR (GEORGENE IDA’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born October 12, 1967 in Mt Clemens, Macomb Co,
ME31. She married KENNETH JOHN WEEDEN September 16, 1989 in Sterling Heights,
Macomb Co, MI32. He was born May 20, 1967 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI33.

More About KAREN LESLIE FARR:

Fact 1: State of MI Birth Certificate #29 12
Fact 2: State of MI Marriage License #7011946

More About KENNETH JOHN WEEDEN:

Fact 1: State of MI Birth Certificate #103 11

Children of KAREN FARR and KENNETH WEEDEN are:

i. JERAMIE ARON15 WEEDEN, b. May 21, 1993, Commerce Township, Oakland
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Co, MI .

More About JERAMIE ARON WEEDEN:

Fact 1: State of MI Birth Certificate #0532118

ii. TIFFANIE ROBIN WEEDEN35, b. June 03, 1996, Commerce Township, Oakland
Co, MI36.

More About TIFFANIE ROBIN WEEDEN:

Fact 1: State of MI Birth Certificate #7940787

43. LINDA DIANNE’4 FARR (GEORGENE IDA’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born September 28, 1971 in Warren, Macomb
Co, MI. She married JOHN ADAM KRAUSE March 22, 1992 in Roseville, Macomb Co,
MI37. He was born February 04, 1971 in Detroit, Wayne Co, MI.

More About LINDA DIANNE FARR:

Fact 1: Marriage Announcement

Children of LINDA FARR and JOHN KRAUSE are:

i. ZACKARY ANDREW’5 KRAUSE, b. June 07, 1994, Mt Clemens, Macomb Co,
MI.
ii. JOSHUA ALEXANDER KRAUSE, b. December 26, 1997, Clinton Township,
Macomb Co, MI.
iii. MATTHEW AUSTIN KRAUSE, b. December 07, 2000, Clinton Twp, Macomb
Co, MI.
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44. MICHELLE MARIE’4 MARTIN (MARY ETHEL’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL”, HORACE BERRY’0 AUG USTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born August 28, 1967 in Slidell, St Tammany
Parish, LA. She married (1) DONALD JAMES WAGMAN. She married (2) DONALD MARK
HENRY October 21, 1989 in Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA. He was born April 26, 1962 in
Slidell, St Tammany Parish, LA.

More About MICHELLE MARIE MARTIN:

Fact 1: 1989, Divorced Donald James Wagman

Children of MICHELLE MARTIN and DONALD HENRY are:

i. MELIAH ELIZABETH15 HENRY, b. March 06, 1992, Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA38.

More About MELIAH ELIZABETH HENRY:

Fact: Birth Announcement for Meliah Elizabeth Henry, born March 6, 1992, 8 lb, 8
oz. Parents Mark and Michelle Henry

ii. MASON TYLER HENRY, b. September 20, 1993, Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA39.

More About MASON TYLER HENRY:

Fact: Birth Announcement for Mason Tyler Martin born Monday Sept 20, 1993 at
9:55 a.m. 7 lb 7 1/2 oz, 20 Parents Mark and Michelle Henry

45. TIMOTHY DAVID’4 MARTIN (MARY ETHEL’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L., JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born August 15, 1969 in Slidell, St Tammany
Parish, LA. He married TAMMY ANN PHILLIPS February 14, 1993 in Pearl River, St
Tammany Parish, LA. She was born February 17, 1970 in Muncy, Lycoming Co, PA.

Children of TIMOTHY MARTIN and TAMMY PHILLIPS are:

i. TIFFANY ANN’5 MARTIN, b. December 24, 1991, Covington, St Tammany
Parish, LA.
ii. TRAVIS DWAYNE MARTIN, b. August 25, 1995, Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA.

46. KEVIN ANDREW’4 MARTIN (MARY ETHEL’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born April 29, 1975 in Slidell, St Tammany
Parish, LA. He married TRACEY MAURINE MOORE December 31, 1994 in Slidell, St
Tammany Parish, LA. She was born August 08, 1972 in Covington, St Tammany Parish,
LA.

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More About TRACEY MAURINE MOORE:
Fact 1: November 1994, Divorced from 1St husband

Children of KEVIN MARTIN and TRACEY MOORE are:

i. MAKAYLA NICHOLLE’5 MARTIN, b. August 26, 1995, Slidell, St Tammany
Parish, LA4.

More About MAKAYLA NICHOLLE MARTIN:

Fact 1: Birth Announcement

ii. MADISYN WILLIOW MARTIN, b. June 12, 2001, Covington, St Tammany

Parish, LA; d. June 25, 2001, Covington, St Tammany Parish, LA.

47. KENNETH ALLAN’4 MARTIN (MARY ETHEL’3 HAWLEY, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL
EARL, HORACE BERRY, AUGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5,
JOHN4, JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born April 29, 1975 in Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA. He married JILL MARIE STEVENS November 09, 1996 in Pearl River, St Tammany
Parish, LA. She wasborn March 16, 1972 in Riverside, Riverside Co, CA.

Children of KENNETH MARTIN and JILL STEVENS are:

i. KENDALL ALLAN’5 MARTIN, b. January 21, 1995, Slidell, St TammanyParish,
LA.
ii. JUSTIN MICHAEL MARTIN, b. January 31, 1997, Slidell, St Tammany Parish,
LA; d. November 13, 1997, SlidelI, St Tammany Parish, LA.

More About JUSTIN MICHAEL MARTIN:

Burial: Hickory Memorial Gardens, Pearl River, St Tammany Parish, LA

iii. JACOB ANDREW MARTIN, b. November 16, 1999, Mandeville, St Tammany

Parish, LA.

48. BENJAMIN AARON’4 HAWLEY (JACK EARL’3, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL’ ~,
HORACE BERRY’o AUG USTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L.8 JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4,
JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born March 05, 1975 in Chantanqua, Westchester Co, NY.
He married (2) TAMMY LYNN LEVEILLE June 01, 1996 in Clarkston, Oakland Co, MI. She
was born August 02, 1977.

Child of BENJAMIN AARON HAWLEY is:

i. TRAVIS JAMES’5 FAY, b. February 03, 2000.

Child of BENJAMIN HAWLEY and TAMMY LEVEILLE is:

ii. MAKAYLA REIN15 HAWLEY, b. August 15, 1995.

49. DEBRA DIONNE’4 HAWLEY (GEORGE LEROY’3, GEORGE LEROY’2, CECIL EARL,
HORACE BERRY’ 0, A UGUSTUS DEAN9, LUTHER L. 8, JAMES7, ABNER6, JOHN5, JOHN4,

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JOHN3, JOSEPH2, SAMUEL’) was born April 30, 1975 in El Centro, Imperial Co, CA. She
married ROBERT OWEN GUILLIAMS December 23, 1995 in Baton Rouge, Baton Rouge
Parish, LA. He was born August 21, 1971 in Natchitoches, Natchitoches Parish, LA.

More About DEBRA DIONNE HAWLEY:

Fact 1: Wedding Invitation

Child of DEBRA HAWLEY and ROBERT GUILLIAMS is:

i. ASHTYN MACKENZIE’5 GUILLIAMS, b. October 29, 1998.

Endnotes

1. 1790 New York Census.

2. 1800 Ontario Co, New York Census.
3. 1810 Victor, Ontario Co, New York Census.
4. War of 1812 record showing marriage and death dates.
5. Bible entry for family.
6. 1820 Volney, Oswego Co, New York census.
7. War of 1812 Pension file for Luther Hawley.
8. 1870 Richmond Township, Nemaha Co, Kansas census.
9. War of 1812 Pension file for Luther Hawley.
10. Marriage License For Augustus Dean Hawley and Nancy G. Ray.
II. 1870 Nemaha Co, Kansas census.
12. 1900 Smith Co, Kansas census.
13. Marriage License For Augustus Dean Hawley and Nancy G. Ray.
14. 1900 Ross Twp, Osborn Co, Kansas census.
15. 1910 Wakeeney Township, Trago Co, Kansas census.
16. 1920 St. Joseph, Buchanan Co, Missouri census.
17. Certificate of Death for Cecil Earl Hawley - Kansas State Board of Health, State of MS, filed
May 30, 1986.
18. Memorial Obituary.
19. Certificate of Birth for George LeRoy Hawley - State of Kansas, 75 4268.
20. Marriage License For George Leroy Hawley and Jacqueline Ida Whitley #24918, Macomb
County Michigan.
21. Birth Certificate for Jacqueline Ida Whitley - Michigan Department of Health Division of
Vital Statistics, 17D-l00; #58292586; Register #11153.
22. State of Louisiana Certificate of Death for Jacqueline Ida Whitley Hawley.
23. Marriage Announcement, Ruth Gibert and George Hawley were united in marriage on Friday,
November 9, 1984. The Reverend John Markley, Officiating at the home of Mr. and Mrs. M.
W. McGraw, Garland, Texas.
24. State of Texas Marriage License for George LeRoy Hawley and Ruth Edna Cornwell, County
of Rockwall.
25. Certified Copy of Birth Register for Ruth Edna Cornwell.
26. Birth Certificate for Cecil David Hawley - Saratoga General Hospital, Detroit, Wayne Co,
MI.
27. Michigan Department of Health Notification of Birth Registration, 5003, State File #582-
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 1051680; Birth #121-50-076648.
28. Obituary from newspaper.
29. Newspaper death notice.
30. Marriage Announcement, Jack E. Hawley and Michelle J. Mobley wish to announce their
marriage on May 15, 1993 in Memphis, Tennessee.
31. Birth certificate of Karen Farr, MI Dept of Health Vital Records, Birth #123-2912 Macomb
County, MI.
32.Marriage License for Kenneth John Weeden and Karen Leslie Farr, MI state file #89-06883,
Local file #7011946.
33. Birth certificate of Kenneth Weeden, MI Dept of Public Health Vital Records, Birth #121-
10311, Wayne Co, MI.
34. Birth certificate ofJeramie Weeden, MI Dept of Public Health file #121-0532118.
35. Birth certWcate of Tiffanie Weeden, MI Dept of Public Health, file #121-7940787.
36. Birth Certificate for Tiffanie Robin Weeden, State of Michigan LF946, CF72 1969, State file
#7940787.
37. Marriage Announcement, Mr. and Mrs. James A. Farr are pleased to announce the marriage
of their daughter Linda Dianne to Mr. John Adam Krause on March 22, 1992.
38. Birth announcement for Meliah Elizabeth Henry, Meliab Elizabeth Henry born March 6,
1992, 8 Ib, 8 oz. Parents Mark and Michelle Henry.
39. Birth announcement for Mason Tyler Henry, Mason Tyler born Monday Sept 20, 1993 at
9:55 a.m. 7 lb 7 1/2 oz, 20. Parents Mark and Michelle Henry.
40. Birth announcement for MakaylaNicholle Martin, MakaylaNicholle Martin born August
26, 1995, 6 lbs 8 1/2 oz. Parents Kevin and Tracey Martin.

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