320d No Start Issue Heavy Equipment

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Great fan of you. Ok straight to the point am Akash kumar from India, haven’t studied any kind
of mechanics and am still a student but I love working with machines, so I don’t like going to
workshops whatever I can figure I do it my sself elf and thanks to the internet . I got an issue with my
car, Which is a diesel engine CRDI. The problem right now is my car cranks but doesn’t start at
all. I checked my whole wiring, ECU, ECU Error code just found a TDC/Crank shaft position
sensor failure but replaced with new one, done with injectors , fuel pump minor repairs, fuel
pump pressure reads fine, all other sensors are good to go, got enough diesel, all diesel lines are
clear, no damages to any kind of wiring or harness. Now I have done as much as I can, still am
not able to start my vehicle, it just cranks and throws out some smoke but all the way it doesn’t
want to start at all. I have also reported to the breakdown assistance team, they came and took a
look but still they were even able to fig
figure
ure what the actual problem is. So my last hope is in you
so I have watched all of the videos you uploaded and I think you would be able to help me figure
this thing out. And also some more information about the vehicle is that it had met with an
accident about 3 years ago, it was submitted to the authorised service centre and when I got the
final bill it was about 5Lakhs Indian rupees, so I refused to take it off. I think last month they
gave me an offer to take the vehicle out of the showroom for about 1. 1.25Lakhs
25Lakhs so I thought it was
a good deal and I took it back to my home and I have been doing all the stuffs. Everything’s
done and its fine. The only main thing I am confused about it is , It cranks all the time but
doesn’t start at all, while using some kikind
nd of ignition sprays, it starts, but as soon as the fumes of
the spray is left, the engine turns back off all over again.
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Hello I have a problem with 320D excavator A8F model with C6.4 Engine GDC This machine…
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I have a problem with 320D excavator
A8F model with C6.4 Engine GDC
This machine was down for sometime. ime.
The engine was rebuilt, a new high and low pressure fuel pump was installed
The engine has new sensors, harness and ecm.
Upon cranking and monitoring with the ET I get low fuel pressure on the rail 1200 - 1700 psi, the engine
will not start.
If i use some quick start the engine then starts.
I run the fuel system verification test all is successful.
After 30 mins of use, the engine also goes to 100% derate on the engine, I monitor this via ET. No
Diagnostic codes or events are present.
I am lost pls help
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Hello,
Have you replaced the rail high pressure relief?
Have you checked for excessive fuel leak off from the injectors?
Please post a current Product Status Report for this machine so I can see all the fault codes and events.
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Customer reply replied 5 years ago
The complete rail with the high pressure relief and sensor has been changed.
I have not done a fuel leak off with injectors, as I am unsure how to perform this test.
If the injectors leak off is giving problems, will the engine misfire?
I performed a cylinder cut out test all is OK.
No, it will not misfire. Leak off is the pressure bypassing at low flow (like starting) and when engine
speed is high (running not cranking) flow is higher than the leak off.
This is why it runs fine but, will not start properly.
The C6.6 has always had this

is issue and we are seeing in more on the C6.4 too.
Either way, if your engine has over 5000 hours you would still want to replace all the injectors.
For detail about this problem, refer to Special Instruction REHS3428, "Measuring Fuel Leakage Past the
Fuel Injectors".
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Ok I am going to order the tool and perform the test.
Great, at least with the full test tooling you may not need to replace all the injectors.
Please let me know if I can help you further.
Thanks, Donnie
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Hello
The tool is just a nozzle and a clear plastic hose to take a reading of the volume based upon tumbling
time and volume
How do I check each individual injector
Sorry, my mistake. The kit that test for each injector is actually for the C6.6 used in the M320D (Perkins
not Mitsubishi) I don't know if it will work on that engine.
I have heard you could perform the crank test with five injectors cutout and see a different
diffe reading. I am
not sure this works as I have not do it myself.
Most of the time, the engine has enough hours on it to justify replacing the full set.
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Replied by Andy.MacFadyen on topic Cranks but doesn't start diesel engine
The vast majority of us here will never have seen the Mahindra's engine as the Mahindra we see
in Europe and the the few that have started to be sold in the USA have Peugeot engines. ISTR
that it may be a continuation of an advanced new Rover design that was due for release before
Rover folded in 2003.
Normally with a crank no-start on a common rail diesel after a code scan I would do a low-tech
injector leak back test before doing anything else but in this case I suspect that isn't going to be
productive. Having a workshop full of kit my next move would be to connect a scope and look at
the injectors, cam & crank sensors and high and low pressure fuel pressure sensors, but using
more basic tools it comes down to multimeter checks. A common cause of no starts on common
rail diesels is cam sensor failures, all the sensors on diesels have to endure more vibration than
petrol engines --- the cam and crank sensors are both likely to be 3 wire Hall-Effect sensors so
use a volt meter check powers and grounds and see if there is a pulse on the signal wire when
cranking.
Although you say the fuel pressure is okay the pressure from scan data can mislead on both the
high ( fuel rail) and the low pressure side of the fuel system and both will cause a cranking no
start. Failures of the fuel rail pressure sensor are no unknown on the Bosch common rail system
on BMW diesels. With the ignition key on after the glow plugs have operated I would expect to
see around 1.4 volts from the output pin on the fuel rail high pressure sensor, this should increase
to over 2.5 when the engine is cranked.

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Customer reply replied 5 years ago

I performed a cylinder cut out test all is OK.

Mechanic: catmastertech,, Technician replied 5 years ago

This is why it runs fine but, will not start properly.

The C6.6 has always had this

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Ok I am going to order the tool and perform the test.

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Please let me know if I can help you further.

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How do I check each individual injector

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