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Despite existing laws, why do persons with
disabilities still fight for basic rights? Dr Seema Lal
and Suchitra Narayan
{sa result of a petition filed by Dr Seema Lal, the Supreme Court recently directed
the Centre to coordinate with states and UTs and submit a status report on
implementation of the RPwD Act.
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Published on: 20 Jan 2024, 1:14 pm * 9 min read
Ina recent case [Seema Girjja Lal v. Union of India], the Supreme Court noted
the poor implementation of the provisions of the Rights of Persons with
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governments and UT administrations and submit a status report to the Court
before the next hearing.
This order was a result of a petition filed by Dr. Seema Girija Lal, founder of
Together We Can, an advocacy group aimed at addressing issues related to
mental health and disability.
In this interview, Dr Seema and Suchitra Narayan, founder of SANSKRITI -
Resource Centre for Inclusion, an organisation that works in the areas of
disability rights and advocacy, speaks about the shift from charity to a rights~
based model, how the Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act (RPwD Act), 2016
can be better implemented, and more,
What inspired you to file a petition before the Supreme Court regarding the
enforcement of the RPwD Act? What specific challenges or issues have you
encountered in the disability sector that prompted you to take this legal
action?
Dr Seema Girija Lal: The key goal was to localize distress resolution and make it
easier for families of and persons with disabilities (PwD) to address their
grievances. The background comes from our journey with Together We Can
since 2015, as we fought for five years to bring in regulations for private therapy
centers in Kerala. These efforts couldn't materialize due to the lack of district
level committees (DLCs) in place which could implement our demands. DLCs
are a mandate as per the RPwD Act. We observed a stark contrast between the
RPwD Act on paper and in reality. Our aim is to bridge this gap, not just in our
State, but nationwide. This isn't about individuals or organizations, but about
improving society's quality of life.
Suchitra Narayan (SN): Despite constitutional guarantees of equal rights, PwD
often face discrimination, being treated as ‘beggars’ They encounter challenges
in accessing public spaces, leading some families to keep their disabled children
indoors. The 2016 RPwD Act broadened the list of recognized disabilities, but
there are still gaps. The Act is cleverly drafted to avoid punishing those who
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states have failed to establish them. Where committees exist, members may be
unaware or unsure of their roles. This petition aims for improved outcomes for
millions through the establishment of DLCs, seeking swifter justice for PwD and
their families, in line with the Constitution and the RPwD Act.
Can you provide some background on the 2016 RPwD Act and its significance
for the disability rights movement in India?
Dr Seema: When we started in 2015, the Act was not ratified. Even when it was,
and despite having been working in the field for over two decades, we knew our
own ignorance of the law, Recognizing that ignorance is an explanation, not an
excuse, we felt it was crucial to address this knowledge gap. How can one
acquire this knowledge if they're unaware it exists or how to access it? The
RPwD Act provides a foundation to work from, offering a valuable framework.
We now know what to ask for and whom to approach. We've explored avenues
ce
like petitions, meetings with ministers and authorities, RTIs, media pressure and
more, We are most hopeful of the judiciary. All our advocates, both at the State
level and now at the Supreme Court, help us pro bono and that is the only
reason we are making headway.
SN: The PwD Act of 1995 brought hope for dignity, access, equity and justice,
but only recognized seven categories. The National Trust Act, 1999 provided
legal guardianship for specific disabilities. The Right to Education (RTE) Act
aimed for inclusive education. Despite existing laws, why do PwD still fight for
basic rights? Often, it’s all on paper and not in practice. Many disabilities were
left out in 1995, necessitating the RPWD Act. It shifted from charity to a rights-
based approach. Any movement is a fight to access rights of the citizens as
enshrined in the Constitution. When that is not implemented, the need for
legislation becomes necessary. It is hoped that as society evolves, better
facilities for PwD will be ensured through these laws.
How do you view the role of DLCs in ensuring the proper implementation of
the RPwD Act at the grassroots level?
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raise a complaint in Delhi about a situation in a small town in Kerala. Getting
deeper into the issue, the cultural differences, the other issues the
family/person faces and more, can be addressed better at the local level. It is
not enough to just appoint a committee. Members need to be aware of their
roles and the information should be publicized via all channels so that those in
need can access it. We are hoping the information will be up on all social justice
department (SID) websites and published via the media as well.
SN: DLCs are essential for addressing local PwD issues. While national laws
apply universally, local variations present unique challenges. DLCs step in to
ensure accessibility in various spaces. However, some lack familiarity with
diverse disabilities and their specific needs. Involving PwDs and their families is
crucial, adhering to the motto “Nothing about us without us” Those unfamiliar
with disabilities may struggle to make informed decisions. Tailoring solutions to
urban and rural needs through local DLCs is more effective. They provide
quicker resolution compared to state committees. Making DLC information
public is vital, including their roles and contact details. DLCs should actively
raise awareness and efficiently resolve grievances at the local level.
The affidavits filed by the government in the matter before the Supreme
Court highlight the poor status of implementation of the RPwD Act. In your
opinion, what are the primary reasons for this and how can it be addressed
effectively?
Dr Seema: Most of us tend to take action only when an issue directly impacts
us, as we're already dealing with our own challenges. Those who don’t
experience disability firsthand shrug away from advocating for what they
consider a “minority” group. This weakens the push for implementation. For
instance, some states hadn't even established rules for the RPwD Act, indicating
a lack of coordinated efforts. There's also limited collaboration across different
disability groups, leading to a fragmented approach. For example, groups
working on autism or visual impairment often operate independently. They’ all
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SN: There's minimal awareness about the RPwD Act, even among PwD, who may
not know how to assert their rights or seek help. This lack of knowledge extends
to the general population. Furthermore, establishments often disregard the Act,
as penalties for non-compliance aren't consistently enforced. Private agencies
believe they're unaffected due to the emphasis on government agencies in the
Act. Without audits, strict implementation is overlooked. The presence of the
DLC can enhance accountability and unify stakeholders from various disabilities
for a collective push towards awareness, change and implementation. Currently,
different disability groups tend to advocate only for themselves nationwide.
What specific outcomes or changes are you hoping to achieve through the
Supreme Court petition, and how do you envision the role of DLCs in
achieving these outcomes?
Dr Seema: Local pressure to implement the Act. We will finally have specific
people to go to. If they are in our district, we can literally go to them as opposed
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