Club 24 Thread: Daily C24 Debate

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Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 mne: Daily C24 Debate Skrivet: 2009-04-29 00:42:30 Citera Svara A thread to debate on about Xpert in general, be it Tactical, SQ's, Teambuilding methods, (W)Ranking system, Game changes by crew, etc..etc.. Just a general view of eachothers opinions. Something simple to kick the thread off. Moody v Greedy What is your prefrence over these two SQ's? what one would you choose given the choice & why? Greedy For me this is the stronger hidden SQ of the two, both boost peformance, but greedy gives the user the control over the peformance, I don't believe a large win bonus is needed to influence the added increase, i've found anything over 200k will bring out their boost and i'll tend to use that sort of bonus anyway unless it's a VIP league & my budget may not stretch that far, but 100k & under doesn't bring out the best i've found, though usually play to skill unlike the mood-ee's unless nothing offered which in turn is very rare. 5 bar increase is biggest increase I can note and through my teams I have a fair few greedy players, I've seen some folk claim above a 5 bar increase though yet to see actual fact of it (you?)

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan BenWalker7 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2007-06-30 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 00:55:12 Uppdaterat: 2009-04-29 01:06:35 Citera Svara A high in form moody midfeilder who you set as playmaker is deadly EDIT: forgot to say moody Flytta till verst p sidan SmokinAces [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2007-05-19 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 00:58:15

Citera Svara I would choose greedy every time, I don't believe in the whole if you keep a moody player in high form it'll offset bad days. I have an 21 9 MF who's moody with 18 form and he still hasn't done good. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: SmokinAces Skrivet: 2009-04-29 01:06:35 Citera Svara Can't say i'm totally convinced by the link of form & mood, just had the same thing happen twice in past 2 weeks with my Roma player & it's not the first time, with 17 current form or above and no difference with his mood, Also found moody youngsters to be shocking with having "good" days regardless of form. Something I did notice with my player (the one mentioned above) he's my highest skilled MID, but despite being marked a number of times over the seasons, he'll still play above to his mood boost even if marked, anyone else notice this with moody players?

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: SmokinAces Skrivet: 2009-04-29 01:12:13 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: SmokinAces I would choose greedy every time, I don't believe in the whole if you keep a moody player in high form it'll offset bad days. I have an 21 9 MF who's moody with 18 form and he still hasn't done good. Hasn't done good? The Xpert League player is the only one you have like it, and he's had a game miles above his skill! I totally believe a high form moody player is excellent except in goal, and preferably not in a 3 man defence, or on their own upfront. Greedy I prefer because I feel it has no downside, but its harder to really work out how much difference it makes I think.

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Blu3red [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Blu3red] Blev medlem: 2006-01-08 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 01:19:17 Citera Svara Definitely greedy.

Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. Flytta till verst p sidan SmokinAces [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2007-05-19 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-04-29 01:25:22 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Doomonyouall Hasn't done good? The Xpert League player is the only one you have like it, and he's had a game miles above his skill! I totally believe a high form moody player is excellent except in goal, and preferably not in a 3 man defence, or on their own upfront. Greedy I prefer because I feel it has no downside, but its harder to really work out how much difference it makes I think. I still don't like him! He's facing weaker opponents so of course he'll get a high rating. I just seen more bad games from him then good seriously, I don't want him be one my starting MF's and he'll underperform more than do good. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:03:32 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Doomonyouall I totally believe a high form moody player is excellent except in goal, and preferably not in a 3 man defence, or on their own upfront. So you believe the mood/form link is reflected by what position/formation you select.have them play in?

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:11:10 Citera Svara I don't buy the mood/form link at all; just recently played an 8 skill moody forward on 18 form and he played to a 6... A moody player on an off day mails it in regardless of form in my experiences.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:22:11 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster So you believe the mood/form link is reflected by what position/formation you select.have them play in? No.

But I think players in a 3 man defence, or in goal, or upfront, should not be players who could play badly. In a 5 man mid, perfect, because if he fucks up, its not such an issue as if 1/3 defenders did, and he can still be a matchwinner.

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Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:23:27 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink I don't buy the mood/form link at all; just recently played an 8 skill moody forward on 18 form and he played to a 6... A moody player on an off day mails it in regardless of form in my experiences. If that player had not been moody, then they probably would have played to 8 judging by how badly they played, and if the form had been low and the moody player had an off day, then maybe as low as 5 or even 4. Otherwise you're saying moody players don't need to be trained because they aren't impacted by form....

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:37:32 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Doomonyouall But I think players in a 3 man defence, or in goal, or upfront, should not be players who could play badly. In a 5 man mid, perfect, because if he fucks up, its not such an issue as if 1/3 defenders did, and he can still be a matchwinner.

So that would make them pretty much pointless? well unless mids, can't say i've got a lot to go on with moody players tbf.. I always try sell them so most of my sqauds have very little moodys, prob 2-3 at most over them all. But I know many managers rate them (Basil I know likes a moody player too) - anybody got any that actually do well on a regular basis?

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Svara so an 8 skill on 18 form plays to an 8??? Not buying it, chief.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:41:15 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster But I know many managers rate them (Basil I know likes a moody player too) - anybody got any that actually do well on a regular basis? I have totally just fucked myself here...but Svedlund on my Xpert team is a monster moody player...plays to an 18 er whatever all the time...have yet to see him play poorly...but watch it now that I said that he will bottle the next few.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:46:37 Uppdaterat: 2009-04-29 03:47:49 Citera Svara Just had a look and yip cleared my sqauds of any bar Roma. http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7189216&dh=4 http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=9493434&dh=4 They're the only 2 I have - like greedy it's a 5bar MAX increase (unless someone can show otherwise?) - but 2 players ain't much to go on, so open to the moody opinion of their use, saying that Cronos has had has moments I guess, but no consistency & it's always when I need him most. Remember my team in Sky-Sports had a moody keeper, he was excellent right up yntil end of season for some strange reason.. I lost 2 titles through the twat in last few games with well under-par games.. never trusted moody player since.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:49:06 Citera Svara yeah, Svedlund is a 12, plays to a 17 quite a lot of the time.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:54:33 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink I have totally just fucked myself here...but Svedlund on my Xpert team is a monster moody player...plays to an 18 er whatever all the time...have yet to see him play poorly...but watch it now that I said that he will bottle the next few. HA!!! Cue x-times of shite displays now!!

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Skrivet: 2009-04-29 03:58:08 Citera Svara wouldn't mind too much actually...not to sound ungrateful but I am doing really well in my division...a little bit too well if u look at my team...I'd rather just stay down in div 3 and grow my kids while staying competitive. If I go up, it will just be a nightmare trying to compete with such a thin first 11 especially if Fagelberg retires which he really should this time.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-04-29 08:18:34 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Doomonyouall No.

But I think players in a 3 man defence, or in goal, or upfront, should not be players who could play badly. In a 5 man mid, perfect, because if he fucks up, its not such an issue as if 1/3 defenders did, and he can still be a matchwinner.

I agree about the 5 man mid part. Dan Hibiki in my SF XXI's team is moody and I've often used him as a playmaker. I tend to find when he gets MotM he is a match winner. Here he didn't get MotM but if you check my last lineup he played a 10 (6 skill) http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6779731&dh=4 Unfortunately you can't see my last lineups but considering Shun Goku Satsu really overshadows my team in terms of skill, Hibiki does well. More examples. http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6779729&dh=4 http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6779701&dh=4 Like I said, you can't see my last lineups so you'll have to take my word for it but Hibiki plays above his skill very often, I don't think young players play worse more often or anything like that. His best game is an 11 which matches the 5 max increase you speak of Duff. However in the context of the question, I would prefer greedy. I will always have a thing for greedy , after it was the first SQ to teach me that the hidden qualities are often more significant than the visible. Vidic in my NJS team was the best player upon the team generation and he has greedy.. I quickly learned of its effectiveness. Like you say Duff, you can control it as opposed to moody, which is why I prefer it, although given the choice I would take moody & greedy on the same player. Never had it, but I imagine the max skill increase on certain players would be huge.

Other 'great greedies' I've fallen in love with : http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=8917125&dh=4 http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7982394&dh=3 And the monster that was Bryan Overmars at Egon (FK + Greedy = Winner!) http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=4386277&dh=1

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Sherwyn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Sherwyn] Blev medlem: 2007-05-16 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-04-29 08:42:39 Citera Svara I would take greedy everyday of the week. I cant stand it when you get the tactics right and a moody player in defence or the forward line fucks it up. I do however like moody midfielders. My ideal situation will be to have a moody mid as your 2nd or 3rd best mid skill wise. Then you dont have to rely on them too much and that type of player can only win you a game and will rarely lose you a game. Flytta till verst p sidan 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Sherwyn Skrivet: 2009-04-29 08:45:03 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Sherwyn I would take greedy everyday of the week. I cant stand it when you get the tactics right and a moody player in defence or the forward line fucks it up. I do however like moody midfielders. My ideal situation will be to have a moody mid as your 2nd or 3rd best mid skill wise. Then you dont have to rely on them too much and that type of player can only win you a game and will rarely lose you a game. Yeah they're great (as with Hibiki), you can clearly see he plays 10's and 11's yet he never gets marked which gives me a bit of a free reign when it comes to PM most of the time. Very effective. Another (farfetched maybe, but feasible) tactic is to have a moody allrounder. Use them as playmaker and on their day your opponent probably has no chance of countering you.

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Skrivet: 2009-04-29 11:40:51 Citera Svara http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=3205499&dh=1 Kramer is a moody keeper, (mine and Basil's fave keeper for sure) Is a 14 skiller right now and regularly plays 17 and over (highest so far is 20, thats +6, and hes done that twice this season) lowest he's played for me is 11 (last season as a 13 skiller) his stats speak for themselves... superb in penalty shootouts as well.... Regularly carries the team at the moment while i sort out the squad... Doc

"If at first you dont succeed.... Do a flugelfish" Flytta till verst p sidan Mistra [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Mistra] Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-04-29 11:46:46 Citera Svara would choose greedy player over moody any day...and i also don't believe form has to do anything with their moodyness, talking from my experience and from the fact that rules clearly state: "The mood of the player depends only on if he/she is having a good day or not and is independent of other factors such as skill and form." i do think that there are "positively" and "negatively"-moody players in terms of performance, i.e. ones who play above their skill most of the time and ones who tend to fuck you up whenever they can, and that their randomness is not that random. used to do statistics on my moody players, would write down their match ratings, now it's easier since we're able to see previous line-ups, point would be to keep "positively"-moody players, with others i wouldn't bother, can just cost you games and games Flytta till verst p sidan Blu3red [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Blu3red] Blev medlem: 2006-01-08 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2009-04-29 13:48:30 Citera Svara LOL How can you all say that form doesn't affect a moody player? Come on, let's be serious! Let's say that we have a 10 skilled moody player with heart, not recently bought. Two situations:

1) Form: 10-12 Bad day: Rating: 7-8 Good day: 13 2) Form 16-20 Bad day: Rating: 9-10 Good day: Rating: 15 Big difference right? Of course the mood of the player is independent of form, but his rating isn't! If you can keep a moody player at a regular high form 15+, he will play decent when he has a bad day and excellent when he has a good day. So that's a win-win situation, no? Personally I didn't have any moody player playing less than a skill in a bad day, or very very rarely when he was in a poor form. Russel Crowe (gk, yeah GK) and Robin Williams are moody at Oscar Actors. Look at my gk stats, not bad at all, right? He even helped my team a lot in some matches, I won my 3rd title here because of him, played above his skill in at least 8 matches, without having heart. And many of you played with me and know that Robin Williams played almost everytime incredible. I just say, if you know to keep moody players in a good form, they are gold.

Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. Flytta till verst p sidan Blu3red [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Blu3red] Blev medlem: 2006-01-08 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-04-29 13:55:58 Citera Svara But of course greedy is way better http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7333254&dh=1 http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7353296&dh=1

Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-04-29 13:57:29 Citera Svara

Agree with Blu 100% here. My Vaughan team has been ranked around #20 strongest in the league but won 2 championships in the last 3 seasons mainly off the back of having 5-6 moodies in the squad. If you have a 6 skill on a bad day he plays 4-5 on a good day he plays 10-11. In 4-5 man defences/midfields it rarely costs you a game but often wins you one. Biggest risk is playing a moody striker on his own up front. I would also summise that although you are supposed to get as many good games as bad games with high form it skews the average ratings very very positively.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-04-29 14:20:03 Citera Svara http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7189216&dh=4 Ironic I mention this player on previous page about his mood, minutes ago he scores the winner in 1-0 game! Like I say, not got many mood players to go on, but in the past form has not affected them playing below skill - so not convinced.(yet)

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan YGA [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [YGA] Blev medlem: 2007-01-10 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 14:23:56 Citera Svara I prefer a moody player, as i dont usually put a good win bonus. But if a player has both qualities, he would be just outstanding, for ex, look at my best player in my xpert team, he is a moody, greedy, and a hard trainer and he played a rating of 20 in my last game

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Blu3red [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Blu3red] Blev medlem: 2006-01-08 Svar till: YGA Skrivet: 2009-04-29 14:30:02 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: YGA But if a player has both qualities, he would be just outstanding, for ex, look at my best player in my xpert team, he is a moody, greedy, and a hard trainer and he played a rating of 20 in my last game Best combination of hidden qualities,

Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-04-29 14:40:35 Citera Svara e.g. 10 skill keeper in my Wales team has played 15,12,12,14,11 so far this season and I don't recall him playing below 8 for a very long time.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-04-29 14:46:09 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster So that would make them pretty much pointless? well unless mids, can't say i've got a lot to go on with moody players tbf.. I always try sell them so most of my sqauds have very little moodys, prob 2-3 at most over them all.

But I know many managers rate them (Basil I know likes a moody player too) - anybody got any that actually do well on a regular basis? No, moody players are really good as long as you aren't relying on them. So in a 4 or 5 man defence, or a 4/5 midfield, or a 2/3/4 man attack.

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Mistra [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Mistra] Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-04-29 15:35:38 Citera Svara Blu, of course form affects his performance but many times I had moody players play bellow their level despite their good form, in that case I'll rather keep ordinary player who'll play consistently above their level... so i don't see it as a win-win situation, like i said, depends on his level of moodyness, also i wont keep older players in very high form...to sum it up, in general i didn't have good experience with moody players, therefore i'm not a big fan of this SQ Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2009-04-29 16:22:24 Citera Svara Yes, I just gave an example where an 8 skill forward with a heart played to a 6 skill on 18 form.

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Ursprungligen postat av: Sherwyn I would take greedy everyday of the week. I cant stand it when you get the tactics right and a moody player in defence or the forward line fucks it up. 100% agree.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: SmokinAces Skrivet: 2009-04-29 18:27:29 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: SmokinAces I would choose greedy every time, [b]I don't believe in the whole if you keep a moody player in high form it'll offset bad days.[/b] I have an 21 9 MF who's moody with 18 form and he still hasn't done good. Moody > Greedy for me. I'm a big believer in the high form offsets bad days. Had a keeper for 5 seasons, who on the odd days he played below his skill it was never more than 1 or 2 bars below, because he was a hard trainer and alwasy in cracking form. Never once in 5 seasons did he have a shocker. All comes down to personal experience, but I'd never shirk away from another hard training moody player if I could find one! Flytta till verst p sidan Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-04-29 19:26:24 Citera Svara I'd say Greedy > Moody, although I have had a moody goalkeeper who was the absolute shiz. Thing is it was hard to tell whether it was his raw skill or not that made him so good in general. Still, last season he was 13 skill and played as good as an 18 but also as bad as a 7.

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Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-04-29 21:38:59 Citera Svara The one position I never take a moody player is keeper. Dont fancy the thought of him having a mare. At least if he is part of a unit ie. defence he can be carried somewhat by the other team mates. Greedy players are great if you have the cash to splash and if you do over time you more than likely save on form training them.

some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything, but they bring a smile to your face when pushed down the stairs. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Jackalb Skrivet: 2009-04-30 19:02:04 Uppdaterat: 2009-04-30 20:35:39 Citera Svara I love a moody keeper but you have to get them when they are young. One of my old xpert teams which Doc has now has a great keeper called Nick Kramer who is moody and is the best keeper I ever had in a team. (see link in Doc's post near the top) When i first got that team I spent a few mails chatting to bossebong about what effects moody players like form and win bonuses, especially when they play -30% I now always look out for moody youth keepers. Both of my keepers in C24 are moody and I have renamed one in honour of Nick. I am probably one of the few here that would take moody over greedy as a sq

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My younger keeper here is an 8 skill moody. Played to a 6 skill as a striker today

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-01 22:06:04 Citera Svara Interesting change of opinion on a simple matter of SQ, nice!

How about playing styles against these two much used (w)ranking formations as an example? Without putting too much confusion into the choice, for talking sake both teams are very similar in strength etc, what style and formation would you opt to use against? *Home team - 3-5-2 & using following playing style: Home - V Def __________ Home - Def __________ Home - Cautious _______ Home - Normal _________ Home - Off ____________ Home - V Off __________ * Away team - 4-5-1 & using following playing style: Away - V Def __________ Away - Def ___________ Away - Cautious _______ Away - Normal _________ Away - Off __________ Away - V Off __________

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-01 22:40:02 Citera Svara Let me get this straight...in your first example, u ask how we, as the away side, would counter 352 V Def and then right down the line, yes? If so, I guess I will stick my neck out first... *Home team - 3-5-2 & using following playing style: Home - V Def - 541 normal, press

Home - Def - 532 normal, longballs Home - Cautious - 442 cautious, longballs & press Home - Normal - 442 cautious, longballs & press Home - Off - 433 cautious, longballs Home - V Off - 433 cautious, longballs * Away team - 4-5-1 & using following playing style: Away - V Def - 352 normal, press Away - Def - 352 normal, press Away - Cautious - 352 normal, press Away - Normal - 352 normal Away - Off - 352 normal Away - V Off - 352 offensive Personally, I think the strength factors a lot more into this than anything and since you say the teams are evenly strengthed, the only differentiator is the home/away factors.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Blu3red [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Blu3red] Blev medlem: 2006-01-08 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-01 23:49:54 Citera Svara *Home team - 3-5-2 & using following playing style: Home - V Def - 3-5-2 normal Home - Def - 4-5-1/5-4-1 normal Home - Cautious - 4-3-3 (long balls if he uses pressure) cautious /4-5-1 normal /3-5-2 normal Home - Normal - 3-5-2 defensive/4-5-1 cautious Home - Off - 3-5-2 cautious, defensive/4-5-1 cautious, defensive Home - V Off - 3-5-2 cautious, defensive, normal/4-5-1 cautious, defensive, normal * Away team - 4-5-1 & using following playing style: Away - V Def - 3-5-2 offensive, normal Away - Def - 4-5-1 normal, 4-3-3 normal (long balls if he uses pressure) Away - Cautious - 4-3-3 normal (long balls if he uses pressure), 3-5-2 normal, cautious, defensive Away - Normal - 3-5-2 offensive / 4-3-3 offensive (long balls if he uses pressure) Away - Off - every tactic works for me, but let's say 3-5-2 offensive ok? Away - V Off - every tactic works for me NOTE: Only for teams with very similar strength. - 3-5-2 defensive is my universal tactic when I play with a team stronger than mine. Also it's my favorite tactic away from home. And I used it so much in private leagues because I don't buy tactics report. Also, 3-5-2 defensive works excellent as a default formation when I am away from x11 1-2 weeks I could create a thread about 3-5-2 defensive and the benefits of using this formation

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Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Blu3red Skrivet: 2009-05-02 00:28:07 Citera Svara Create it then.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Dochawkes [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Dochawkes] Blev medlem: 2006-09-15 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-02 14:02:22 Citera Svara Yeah Blu.... I would be very interested in your views/experiences with that line-up m8. My Bro' (DSV1900) is totally smitten wwith 3-5-2 home and away and has been for some time.... scores loads but concedes nearly as many (or more.. lol) in most games. Would appreciate the low-down as its not a fomation i have any love for.... So persuede me m8... Doc

"If at first you dont succeed.... Do a flugelfish" Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Dochawkes Skrivet: 2009-05-02 18:54:15 Citera Svara Moving on (and hoping blu does the thread) would you buy a fragile midfielder? As you may know I am rebuilding my team and I am looking at a 16/4 with fraiglie and greedy. A nice player to make as

playmaker but would you buy him as he might get marked. And do you believe that marking has a greater propensity to injury or just reduced performance?

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-02 19:08:05 Citera Svara I've never seen stats to back it up, but I strongly believe marking a player increases the chances on injury, so whilst I'd happily have a whole team of injury prone defenders I'd never take that chance on a MF. In fact I've never had an injury prone MF in any team ever yet by comparison I've 3 in my defence in my C24 squad.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-02 20:05:40 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: GRASSBANDITS I've never seen stats to back it up, but I strongly believe marking a player increases the chances on injury Well, the rules back it; I think I would avoid it if my sure-fire best mid was going to be injury prone and thus marked more than usual, but other than that I wouldn't worry too much about it.

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Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-03 03:55:00 Citera Svara Personally I'm not bothered with fragile. I've not seen the stats, and they might prove me very wrong, but I don't think fragile players get injured that much more than normal.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-03 16:11:21 Citera Svara Not had a problem with my fragile mid in WWV, he's marked quite a bit being my best mid, but nothing untowards injury wise through it. http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7426180&dh=4

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-03 16:40:38 Citera Svara Fragile has its upsides and downsides. [yes upsides] It's not bad when going for a skilled player because most will evaluate and stay away when they see it on the TL. But as mentioned by Zink I think I wouldn't like it on a player who was exceptional and going to be marked regularly. From my experience with fragile players I would say the defenders and keepers are fine, had two defenders in my old Depor team who were fragile who were never injured despite playing regularly along with a keeper. Attackers on the other hand are a little less lucky from my limited experience. My top striker in the VIP YA league is fragile and got injured on his debut which was quite frustrating, I also had a fragile intelligent midfielder in an old team who wasn't even my best mid but got injured regularly. Frustrating but it doesn't kill me too much, if anything the thing I hate most about fragile is just seeing it on the team screen .

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-03 20:14:19 Citera Svara I know we have moved on, but I would just like to add on the moody/form thing...today I had a friendly where a 10 skill moody/trainer on 16 form played to a 5 skill. So where is the form impact if at 10 form a player plays to their skill when they have the heart, and at the most u can only drop 5 bars from moody? It isn't there...

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-03 20:19:11 Citera Svara Good point. You sure he isn't low in his skill? I think I recall Keith Sweat as a high 4 playing a 1 once for my NJS side on a very high form..

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-03 20:51:09 Citera Svara He is, but that shouldn't make too much of a difference here...we are talking a 10 on 16 form playing to a 5...if it was to a

7, then ok...but a 5...you're taking the piss if u think form has anything to do with that.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-03 21:18:27 Citera Svara Interestingly I found these paragraphs written by myself in my league Xpert Series around 4-5 months ago: Moody - Ahh moody. This SQ is variable IMO. I HATE moody keepers. Moody keepers are like the worst thing imaginable on X11 IMO. If they have a bad game that's your match over. Defenders are ok as long as they have a good unit around them. Midfielders and Strikers.. now this is where it's at. A moody midfielder can be one of the best playmakers around on a good day. And a moody striker on hot form will score hattricks for fun. (There's a match I've seen with a moody striker scoring 7 or something, I'll post if I can find it). Just keep moody players' form high and they'll be fine. Moody keepers are dangerous though. *FOUND THE MATCH* - http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6316938&dh=1 Fragile - Lol. Possibly the worst SQ in the game. As you all know, leads to double the chance of injury. I don't think it increases the length of injuries though. Not all bad though, if it doesn't bother you too much you can pick up some real bargains with this SQ cause most people who evaluate run a mile when they see this. Also, some players have fragile and just don't get injured anyway, I'm sure a few of you have noticed this. I wouldn't be too bothered about fragile on a keeper either. Greedy - Fairly good SQ. Increases performance in proportion to the size of the win bonus. There isn't too much to say about this really. All greedy players I've ever had usually play well cause I often stick 50k on anyway. Not played without it enough to notice a huge hit in performance but that's where you all come in .

Looking back on it I think I understated the effect of greedy, and I'm not so anti-moody keeper nowadays either.

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I know we have moved on, but I would just like to add on the moody/form thing...today I had a friendly where a 10 skill moody/trainer on 16 form played to a 5 skill. So where is the form impact if at 10 form a player plays to their skill when they have the heart, and at the most u can only drop 5 bars from moody? It isn't there... My 17/4 striker for Mongolia is not a Moody player, but I've played him twice recently when he had 20 form. In one match he got on the end of about 5 or 6 chances, but failed to score and played at a 2, in the other he only got on the end of 1 chance, but scored and played at a 6. I think that the end performance of the player depends on more than just form and skill.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-04 02:50:37 Citera Svara so his form at the end of the game was 20 in both cases? That seems odd...how was the average ages in those matches?

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-04 03:19:24 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-04 03:23:23 Citera Svara Okay, had a second look, I was getting his form mixed up with the 18 year old I have, but his form was still 16 and 18 after the match. The average age was a little above 25 in both cases. I put this down to him converting his chance in the second game and not in the first. It's my cup matches against Lativa, here are the tactics, with the result and chances above. I'm home first then away 2nd. 3-0 10-4 3-4-3 << Formation >> 4-4-2 Normal << Playing style >> Offensive Long range shots << Offence >> Long range shots Normal << Defence >> Normal

Yes << Prepared >> No Normal << Aggression >> Normal No << Long balls >> No Yes << Pressure >> No Yes << Offside traps >> Yes No << Cheating >> Yes Yes << Win bonus >> Yes Ganbaatar Tgsbayar << Playmaker >> Marcio Roberto None << Tightly marked >> None Tregene Khatun << Captain >> Marcio Roberto 1-2 6-2 Tactic report 4-5-1 << Formation >> 4-3-3 Normal << Playing style >> Very defensive Varied << Offence >> Long range shots Normal << Defence >> Tighten the centre No << Prepared >> No Normal << Aggression >> Normal No << Long balls >> Yes No << Pressure >> Yes Yes << Offside traps >> No Yes << Cheating >> No Yes << Win bonus >> Yes None << Playmaker >> Matt May None << Tightly marked >> Marcio Roberto Broderick Cornfeld << Captain >> Tregene Khatun

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-04 17:26:23 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-04 17:28:28 Citera Svara When to sell under peforming strikers Heres something I wouldn't mind opinion on, and it's when do you call it a day with your shot-shy strikers and what scoring ratio is a fair mark for a forward? I tend to think players have just got that hidden extra that makes them different from the rest IE a consistent scorer or assist genius etc.. rather than their actual visible skill, I mean for example it's useless having a 15 skill striker who never scores despite playing great rating wise over say a 10 skill strike partner who scores on a regular basis despite not being as skilled, is it? I have this problem with a few players, but i'll use my two here as examples, Ice Cube - 57 games 11 goals http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=8549210&dh=4 Michio Kaku - 58 games - 15 goals (9 of those in one season) http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=8558895&dh=4 This pair for example keep great form and play above skill most games but are truely shocking when it comes to

delivering the goods, I keep telling myself that when we reach the desired peformance age they'll begin to click and score, but i'm not so sure. So do you stick with players like this or cut your losses and sell and hunt for a more constructive scorer?

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-04 17:31:52 Citera Svara For me Duff I actually find the opposite more important.. how well they hold form. I had a player in my NJS team and his ability to hold form was so poor that I sold him. Info here: http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx? threadID=3574215&forumid=26&read=1&search=1&messageid=3574215#3574215 So for me, I stick with the strikers on a dry patch if their ratings are high and they are keeping good form. Form is more important to me than the numbers as long as I'm winning.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-04 17:37:47 Citera Svara Yeah but the dry patch is lasting for seasons now with this pair in particular. Kaku is a trainer so I expect him to hold better, he raises his skill superb and was a bargain at 700k, but.. end of day he's there to score and won't deliver... no doubt i'll wait until this team is above 26, but they are 2 examples. So what do you think is a good scoring ratio? 1 in 4 seems poor to me.

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Svara Well personally I think you can have an effect on where your goals come from yourself. Example: In my New Jack Swing side you will notice that Mr Coles is head and shoulders ahead of every other player in terms of goalscoring ratio. However if you could see his old stats from the past 2-3 seasons or so you'll see he hasn't been all THAT prolific in comparison to the earlier seasons.. despite him being lower skilled in the previous seasons.. Why? I think it is down to formation. In the early seasons at New Jack Swing I very often played a 4-3-3 formation and it was using this that Coles earned most of his goals. There was one point where he was very nearly on a goal a game after 2030 games or so. As a 4-3-3 he was involved in games like this - http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=5208990&dh=3 Scoring a hattrick as a 17/4. Shitty game I know but just an example of 4-3-3 on his goalscoring, I could get another game or two if you insist. However, in the past 2 seasons or so I have switched away from the 4-3-3 due to my old striker retiring, and I have played 5 in midfield a lot more often. If you look at the scoring rates for my last 2 seasons (which unfortunately I cannot quote) the last season in particular, I top scored in the league with 21 goals but Mr Coles only scored 5 of the goals. It's not that he's any worse a player but I was playing 4-5-1 and 3-5-2 a lot more often. As a result I think his scoring rate dried up, despite the team not suffering as a result. When I look at your club stats with Pink Floyd I notice you never play a formation with 3 forwards and IMO that could possibly be contributing to your strikers slump in goals. 87.5% of formations more defensive than 4-4-2 might explain it as well.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:11:57 Citera Svara This poses an interesting question...do you think youth strikers hit their stride later in their careers on X11, or if they aren't scoring now, they just ain't ever gonna score?

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita]

Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:16:39 Citera Svara Unfortunately Mr Coles is the only example of a player I can speak of who I've developed since 16-18 into mid 20's. There have been a host of factors which have affected his performance IMO: Increased standard of keepers (Check out Carson, Bolland and Bashford in the other Top Flight teams) Formation Change Tactics (When I use Wing Plays he often plays out of his skin) In response to your question Zink, I think - With all things optimal, if they are STILL not scoring with 2 other strikers around them with average keepers and good tactics then yes IMO they 'just ain't ever gonna score'.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:20:40 Citera Svara hmm...interesting. Curious to see if these players have an intrinsic value then; do they make the rest of the team better er something...call me a softie, but I'd like to think that good players aren't totally worthless, but I can see the frustration in a player that simply doesn't score.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:23:52 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-04 18:24:05 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Colinzink hmm...interesting. Curious to see if these players have an intrinsic value then; do they make the rest of the team better er something...call me a softie, but I'd like to think that good players aren't totally worthless, but I can see the frustration in a

player that simply doesn't score. Me neither but it depends how you value the player.. Billinghams Balls in my league sold a 23/7 I think it was a day or two ago because he just wasn't scoring. In his mind (and I imagine Duff feels this way) he's a striker, strikers are meant to score goals and if they're not they're useless. It's a reasonable line of thinking, but I like to look at the bigger picture and really try and narrow it down before I tag the player as a waste of time. (Form being the most important for me)

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Waynederanged [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Waynederanged] Blev medlem: 2006-08-17 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:35:15 Citera Svara In a similar vein I'm coming to the end of my patience with my Hashishins freekick takers. Have a look: Piotr Pyszek http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7009031&dh=1 Wojtek Kielbowicz http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7005406&dh=1 Both of them miss loads of freekicks. Pyszek was out injured for quite a while this season which meant Wojtek taking all the freekicks and he's useless. I had four or five in a recent game and he missed the lot! I'm seriously thinking of getting rid of them. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Waynederanged Skrivet: 2009-05-04 18:53:59 Citera Svara Hey Wayne. You have to remember that your best FK taker is an 11 bar and every team in that league has at least a 12 skilled goalie.. Gonna be hit and miss (pun intended? ) in regards to success. I'd keep personally.

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Waynederanged [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Waynederanged] Blev medlem: 2006-08-17 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-04 19:07:14 Citera Svara You're probably right. I just really miss this player from my previous team: http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=2509155&dh=1 That's a proper goals to games ratio! The way things are going we could be in the same division in Euro next season. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Waynederanged Skrivet: 2009-05-04 19:16:27 Citera Svara It really is! Excellent goalscoring record. . I'm sure you can stay up, I might even miss out depending on how long I stay in the cup, wonder how long I can juggle it..

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-05 01:20:48 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Well personally I think you can have an effect on where your goals come from yourself. When I look at your club stats with Pink Floyd I notice you never play a formation with 3 forwards and IMO that could possibly be contributing to your strikers slump in goals. 87.5% of formations more defensive than 4-4-2 might explain it as well.

I agree with first point, of course what you set-up has an effect as doe's the opponents you face etc.. But not the 3 prong attack, that isn't always the best option, actually not that much a fan of any of the 3 man formations tbh, especially away from home, i'd say the playing styles is far more effective at creating than throwing a larger number of strikers on, for example 4-5-1 is superb when used in the right way, one striker doesn't = less chances or fewer goals.. but...would agree my team here has been a little more defensive minded due to playing older teams on a regular basis, and that could be my problem of not taking a bigger gamble. Tempted to sell Kaku for 20m though....... I'll hold off atm and see the report and what we face for season 11.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-05 01:34:10 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster

I agree with first point, of course what you set-up has an effect as doe's the opponents you face etc.. But not the 3 prong attack, that isn't always the best option, actually not that much a fan of any of the 3 man formations tbh, especially away from home, i'd say the playing styles is far more effective at creating than throwing a larger number of strikers on, for example 4-5-1 is superb when used in the right way, one striker doesn't = less chances or fewer goals.. but...would agree my team here has been a little more defensive minded due to playing older teams on a regular basis, and that could be my problem of not taking a bigger gamble. Tempted to sell Kaku for 20m though....... I'll hold off atm and see the report and what we face for season 11. I don't mean necessarily that you score less goals with less strikers upfront. Like I said, I topscored in my league despite going from a regular 4-3-3 to a more defensive 4-5-1 more often. But what I do think is it changes the spread of goals within the team. I played 5 in midfield quite often last season and it was no surprise to see that over half of my goals came from midfield, it was touching 3 quarters infact. This was in contrast to previous seasons where I still scored a lot, but the strikers were the ones grabbing the goals.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Holidays [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Holidays] Blev medlem: 2007-08-09 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-05-05 01:53:50

Uppdaterat: 2009-05-05 01:58:12 Citera Svara I am 100% certain that the more strikers you put up front, the higher your goals to chances ratio is. I've been experimenting with this for months and this is now a mathematical certainty. Thing is you have to counter this by using common sense. It's fine to say that with 3 strikers you'll take more of your chances, but with a 5 man midfield as opposed to a 4 man, you'll create more chances. So whats best, 3-5-2 or 3-4-3? 5-2-3 is becoming acknowledged a pretty good formation in certain quarters.... Chrille, Jimbo for example. Well, it is because the 5 in defence limit the goals against column and you don't need as many chances to stick one in yourself than say a 5-3-2. So whats best, 5-2-3 or 5-3-2. You'll create more with the latter, but take more chances with the former. It's a conundrum. Well, it all depends on your take on a game. Whether creating 6 chances and scoring 2 goals or creating 4 chances and scoring 2 goals is your preference. Also have to consider mid strengths of course, 2 man midfield can leave you with a hole and no creativity = 0 chances at all, which isn't ideal. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Holidays Skrivet: 2009-05-05 02:18:02 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Holidays I am 100% certain that the more strikers you put up front, the higher your goals to chances ratio is. I've been experimenting with this for months and this is now a mathematical certainty. Thing is you have to counter this by using common sense. It's fine to say that with 3 strikers you'll take more of your chances, but with a 5 man midfield as opposed to a 4 man, you'll create more chances. So whats best, 3-5-2 or 3-4-3? 5-2-3 is becoming acknowledged a pretty good formation in certain quarters.... Chrille, Jimbo for example. Well, it is because the 5 in defence limit the goals against column and you don't need as many chances to stick one in yourself than say a 5-3-2. So whats best, 5-2-3 or 5-3-2. You'll create more with the latter, but take more chances with the former. It's a conundrum. Well, it all depends on your take on a game. Whether creating 6 chances and scoring 2 goals or creating 4 chances and scoring 2 goals is your preference. Also have to consider mid strengths of course, 2 man midfield can leave you with a hole and no creativity = 0 chances at all, which isn't ideal. I agree with you Holidays but I'm not sure if we're talking on the same wavelength here. More midfielders = more chances and like you say more strikers = higher conversion ratio. I agree with that for sure. I always see 4-2-4 as an 'all or nothing' formation as it's reliant on the chances you make from open play. In my Coles side I played 4-2-4 in the last two games of the season and IIRC both games ended up 0-0 because my only chances came from set pieces.. had I made chances I reckon like you say it's a good chance I'd have scored them. What I'm saying however is I believe the proportion of goals - position is affected by the formation. So Duff's strikers might not be scoring, but it's not that his entire team aren't scoring, it's just that the strikers aren't. His formations do not place as much emphasis on strikers as my aforementioned 4-3-3, so the balance of power goes to the midfield, and as a result, of his 9 goals this season, only 3 were scored by the forwards.

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Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Holidays Skrivet: 2009-05-05 20:47:52 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Holidays I am 100% certain that the more strikers you put up front, the higher your goals to chances ratio is. I've been experimenting with this for months and this is now a mathematical certainty. . Do you have figures saved to back this up? and over how many games? (out of interest)

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-06 19:29:54 Citera Svara I can confirm Holidays is right, don't care how many times you've tested it, its a fact of X11.

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-05-06 22:21:00 Citera Svara Its also why 3-4-3 is the best as it allows the most creation with 3 up front. Though crille does pretty well with 4-2-4

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-07 02:04:51 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-07 02:05:34 Citera Svara 3-4-3 isn't all that either.. I don't buy whats said above tbh... but open to convincing. I'd take 1 striker coupled with 4-5-1 against any the above mentioned, and be confident of winning/creating/scoring. (bar 3-5-2)

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-12 00:21:55 Citera Svara Does marking a player who is the freekick taker affect their ability to score freekicks? Is there proof either way?

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-12 01:26:06

Citera Svara Gildar said no, and that was good enough for me. I'll try and dig up the post later, when I'm sober.

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-05-12 08:39:23 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Basilbrush303 Does marking a player who is the freekick taker affect their ability to score freekicks? Is there proof either way? http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx? threadID=3531250&forumid=26&read=1&search=1&messageid=3531250

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Slump [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2007-03-01 Svar till: Holidays Skrivet: 2009-05-12 20:28:09 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Holidays I am 100% certain that the more strikers you put up front, the higher your goals to chances ratio is. I've been experimenting with this for months and this is now a mathematical certainty. I just played 3 league matches with another of my private league sides, with one striker in each formation, and I created 7 chances in each game, and am yet to score a goal So 21 chances, no goals so far. The forwards in each game were competant players too, but of course not all the chances fell to them. So far my opponents chances over those 3 games adds up to 5, but still I drew 2 games and lost one. 4-2-4 next game then and see if I get 2 chances and score both of them! (and probably lose 2-3) Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Slump Skrivet: 2009-05-16 08:32:26 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-16 08:33:46 Citera Svara

Excluding for LRS and varied offences, and assuming 4-4-2 v 4-4-2 (no LB), when do you play pressure? a) When your midfield is a lot weaker b) When your midfield is a little weaker c) When your midfield is of equal strength d) When your midfield is a little stronger e) When your midfield is a lot stronger f) When you play v defensive g) When you play defensive h) When you play Cautious i) When you play Normal j) When you play Offensive k) When you play V offensive l) Other Personally I go for a, b, f, g and h.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-16 12:22:23 Citera Svara b, c, d, f, g, h

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Dochawkes [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Dochawkes] Blev medlem: 2006-09-15 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-16 12:43:26 Citera Svara b,c, g,h, mostly ,i, though as i always factor in the ref... would almost never play pressure with a low skill/high hard ref, as you would give away too many free kicks and pick up lots of cards.

"If at first you dont succeed.... Do a flugelfish" Flytta till verst p sidan Holidays [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Holidays] Blev medlem: 2007-08-09 Svar till: Dochawkes Skrivet: 2009-05-16 16:47:27 Citera Svara a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Holidays Skrivet: 2009-05-16 16:53:25 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Holidays a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Sherwyn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Sherwyn] Blev medlem: 2007-05-16 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-05-16 17:23:54 Citera Svara D,E Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11

Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-17 15:48:57 Citera Svara I play pressure quite a bit, and like using it. Have 1 team were i'm trying out using LB+Pressure every game for the season (USA) only been 1 game i've forgot to use both.... Feel it's doing well, had only lost 1 game with a weak side up until the last match, and also let very few goals in, think the results would be far better if overall form wasn't such a problem. I'll also use it against a varied attack regardless of the situation, and 9/10 times with a 5 man midfield.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Radun5 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Radun5] Blev medlem: 2007-01-13 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-18 00:56:16 Citera Svara I also play pressure almost all the time. I am one of those who don't understand pressure in the game, so basically I think I'd better use it, just in case the oppo plays LRS or varied. In this hypothetic situation, I would say a, b, c is very important to use, but I see no relation with the style of play ... now you got me thinking Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Radun5 Skrivet: 2009-05-20 03:03:01 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-20 03:03:24 Citera Svara Penalties, how useful is the ice cube and is having a Goal Keepers take penalties, a bad idea? Personally I think the ice cube works well for penalty takes, maybe double their skill well, and I will use GK if they are the best player.

My signature mentions Jarb.

Flytta till verst p sidan Radun5 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Radun5] Blev medlem: 2007-01-13 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-20 08:17:00 Citera Svara Likewise Although I think ice cubes don't double his skill, but increases it by 50 %. GK is a good idea, he is used by many for freekicks with great success, so why not penalties ? Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-20 08:47:04 Citera Svara I had no problems using Sidney Arrehag as penalty taker when I managed at Egon and the game which won me MotR he scored a penalty in as well .

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-20 17:38:09 Citera Svara No probs using a keeper as PK taker with cool, I mostly use keepers as captains so they're my default shooters anyways.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan]

[Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-05-20 17:40:50 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite Penalties, how useful is the ice cube and is having a Goal Keepers take penalties, a bad idea? Personally I think the ice cube works well for penalty takes, maybe double their skill well, and I will use GK if they are the best player. Neo, Scheller in my Killers team takes my penalties and I also have him taking my free kicks when the normal takers are out of action. He's quality and scores a few goals!

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-05-20 20:31:40 Citera Svara Mine just scored one tonight. http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6990635&dh=4

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-21 15:42:33 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Mine just scored one tonight.

http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=6990635&dh=4 Why didn't good ol Jeff Dahmer take them?

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-05-21 22:50:43 Citera Svara Berkowitz usually PK taker, he was out & left at default which is Morgan the GK.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:11:25 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-22 15:11:50 Citera Svara http://img29.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scr47f364.jpg Do ya reckon SQ hunters will pay over the odds for this yin? 8 SQ's with hidden included.. put him up for 1.3m (paid 1.6m) On a side note.. srsly who rates tough as an SQ? I hate it above every other SQ available, such a pain in the arse it is, and can totally screw games.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem]

[Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:21:31 Citera Svara I think Stash loves tough. It's my least favourite of all the SQs, personally.

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:23:57 Citera Svara Aye Duff tough can be a pain 'cos there just ain't much you can do about it. Near enough the whole of my Xpert midfield are toughies. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Is a freekick specialist needed if you have the strongest team in your group or can you get by on high skilled hard shooters? I've always been a big advocate of FK's and never had a team without at least one but seriously thinking about selling the only one I have in my Xpert team to help me restructure and a 22/10 replacement would cost a fortune.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:25:18 Citera Svara Yeah, I do like tough, even though my last tough player was an absolute pain and was getting bookings and sendings off galore, hence being sold off! Previous experience though I find that they keep their form extremely well, just short of a trainer but better than your average Joe. I'll keep them out of games I'm playing careful in though.

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[Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:25:42 Citera Svara Mihajlovic has started doing a job for me here while Kempes trains up, although Tant was less successful for the Pythons in the past.

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:30:35 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-22 15:36:36 Citera Svara I can't stand it, it screws my tactics over if I don't leave the tough player(s) out, only certain values you can work around with it, that ain't good enough. Cheat has less of an impact if not worthy for a value, but tough is just piss poor. Got a very good player with Alandia atm with this SQ and srsly thinking about selling, though he should prob increase a visible this season, but have to keep working around him as I like to play the values correct. http://img200.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scr614386.jpg

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:45:20 Citera Svara GB, I haven't had a FK SQ for Hallbo since I've been there and I have like 2 league losses in almost 35 games I think. Sure I'd love to have one, but it hasn't held me back at all I don't think.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-05-22 15:50:03 Citera Svara All my bastardos are right at the top of their skill bar, hard trainers, or my key 2/3 players except Nethercott, Stroppa and Taldo. I'm looking to sell all 3 for 35m and buy an uber-midfielder but so rare with FK that the price would probably be mental.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:05:42 Uppdaterat: 2009-05-22 16:08:10 Citera Svara Aye, I reckon you can do without a FK taker if needs must, if you're the strongest etc.. then you'll be looking to win anyway regardless, but in order to be clinical when with a progressive team then it's a big part of your line-up imho. Against strong teams or on par teams - a deadball finisher can be the difference in the outcome, also when using careful you're looking for this type of player to deliver a result that the peformance might not get. I know Rich went a good while without a FK taker with HP, has including one benifited your team? I also reckon there are just some players out there that thrive on that SQ (like most) it's finding (without major econ) or breeding one that's the problem.. but it should be included in any managers set-up. So if you have a FK taker over 26 who isn't coming up with the goods then prob best to sell & re-invest.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn]

Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:32:23 Citera Svara Airola has scored 12 in 35, which isn't bad. Just 5 direct from FK, and no set-piece FK though, which is surprisingly low. Still, he's only a 10 skiller. Toying with giving Tant FK responsibilities again, tbh.

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:36:18 Citera Svara Maybe at the absolute highest level Duff (like Franzie added that monster FK taker to BBs and they haven't lost in the XCL yet since he scores like 2 a game), but really the only team that I have that has a monster FK taker is in VIPI...but then again I have never not finished 1st there so maybe I should shut up.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:39:34 Citera Svara 1 in 3 isn't bad at all if you exclude the fact he had to gain his heart (which of course helps) and is weaker in comparison with your other mids & being in higher division = facing better GKs, it's a fair return.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan

Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:45:15 Citera Svara I'm not saying that he's done badly, but it's just I brought him in to take FKs and he's been more devastating with headers.

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-05-22 16:52:09 Citera Svara If it's in it's IN.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 17:02:10 Citera Svara Set piece freekicks where he flicks the ball up and bullet heads it from 25 yards

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan]

[Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-05-22 17:07:34 Citera Svara YUSS.. like Pro Evo.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-22 21:07:07 Citera Svara Dropped my freekicker and played a hard shooter instead tonight. Scored one from two so maybe it's worth pursuing.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan audub [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [audub] Blev medlem: 2005-06-11 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-05-23 11:13:39 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Do ya reckon SQ hunters will pay over the odds for this yin? National teams! No transfers!

This is my own personal favourite regarding SQs, wonder what he could get me on the market! http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?playerid=7650168&dh=2

There are ten types of people in the world, those who are innumerate and karlos9. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: audub Skrivet: 2009-05-23 17:54:43 Citera Svara ZOMG...that player would bring in a lot!

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: audub Skrivet: 2009-05-23 19:32:01 Citera Svara Dubz.. doe's he have hidden? (great player btw.. my fav for ratio to goals carry headerquick - cool makes it even better) I've got a similar player of age - cool.. with the killers.. always been tempted to let the SQ hunters offer silly price, but he's just too good at scoring to let him go.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-06-01 12:04:25 Citera Svara Right, lets get this daily discussion back on track.

What are peoples thoughts on Formation V skill when choosing a line up? Obviously a lot of people play mainly to their strengths, if their strongest 11 chosen is a 4-4-2 formation then they'll play it no matter what, they let their strongest 11 dictate what formation to go with. But what if you know what formation the oppo will play and you know what formations are better home and away would you go with the weaker players but chose a formation you know that would work? e.g. Playing away, strongest line up leans towards a 4-4-2 but you know the oppo will play a 3-5-2, do you stick with 4-4-2 and play a style that will hope to win it for you or do you maybe play a couple of weaker players and do something like a 5-3-2 long ball shiz knowing it's a good counter? Obviously loads of other factors come into it but you all know what I'm saying!

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-06-01 14:23:33 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Saint_Ash Right, lets get this daily discussion back on track. What are peoples thoughts on Formation V skill when choosing a line up? Obviously a lot of people play mainly to their strengths, if their strongest 11 chosen is a 4-4-2 formation then they'll play it no matter what, they let their strongest 11 dictate what formation to go with. But what if you know what formation the oppo will play and you know what formations are better home and away would you go with the weaker players but chose a formation you know that would work? e.g. Playing away, strongest line up leans towards a 4-4-2 but you know the oppo will play a 3-5-2, do you stick with 4-4-2 and play a style that will hope to win it for you or do you maybe play a couple of weaker players and do something like a 5-3-2 long ball shiz knowing it's a good counter? Obviously loads of other factors come into it but you all know what I'm saying! I am without a doubt a formation vs formation man as opposed to the school of 'play your strongest lineup no matter what'. A good example would be with my VIP Invitational team Real Screw-Loose. Recently I played against Squid Kid and if you look at my team, the onus is clearly on the strength of the midfield, my weakness [on the contrary] is quite clearly the strikers. http://www.xperteleven.com/players.aspx?TeamID=408876&Boost=0&dh=4 Now in my last 3 matches prior to Squid I had played 3-4-3, 4-5-1, 4-5-1. Squid had played 5-3-2, 4-4-2, 5-2-3. Look at Squid's squad: http://www.xperteleven.com/players.aspx?TeamID=403810&Boost=0&dh=4 His squad is not built for a 3-5-2 as you can see. But I figured he would bank on me playing the 4-5-1, and counter with the 3-5-2, so I aimed to read this all and counter his 3-5-2 (which he hadn't played and hardly has the team for) and hit it

with the 4-3-3 LB. Guess what - Bang on the money, got the formation right, and to rub salt in the wound, 4-3-3 LB as well, dominated the game and won MotR. http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=7011547&dh=4 Now to me, this is a perfect example of why I think the formation 'battle' is crucial. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is a perfect formation, nor do I think there is a 'beats all' formation. I also don't think that Formation A always beats Formation B so it always = win for team using Formation A. But I do believe that if you break down their formation and counter it effectively (and it's ironic anyway because I suck with formation matchups lol) then you will have a large advantage. So like I said, formation v formation over strongest lineup no matter what for me.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-06-01 16:19:39 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Saint_Ash But what if you know what formation the oppo will play and you know what formations are better home and away would you go with the weaker players but chose a formation you know that would work? After the long-winded Bejjita response, I am going to go with a simple yes. As long as the skill gap isn't like a 3 or more bar drop that is.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-06-01 17:52:15 Citera Svara I'm not really a formation sort of manager, not fussed what the other team play and doesn't make me change mine to suit what they're playing, have no problem playing for example 3-5-2 against 4-3-3 especially at home, I do like to play to my own team strength at that given time - skill/form wise, if i'm using 4-4-2 and know they're likely to use a LB style I've got no problem throwing in LB too if need be. What I may do and sometimes will, is adjust my formation if I see a weak area in the opponents be it skill or form, but only if my own team is fine and not going to be weaker using it. Some folk will even tell you blind to use X formation against Y formation without even looking at the sqauds, which is just stupid imo & too much emphasis is placed on formations.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-06-01 19:44:09 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Some folk will even tell you blind to use X formation against Y formation without even looking at the sqauds, which is just stupid imo & too much emphasis is placed on formations. Spot on. Take the 'myth' about 4-5-1 dominating a 4-4-2. The general concensus is that 4-5-1 beats it hands down every time. My squads are never really set up for playing 4-5-1 so its not a formation I've got much experience with, but it seems silly that someone would try and beat an opponent's 4-4-2 with that formation if it wasn't their strongest line-up. Take my Knights team for example... if I were facing a 4-4-2, I'd be wrong to pack the defence and midfield when the attack is clearly the team's strong point. 4-5-1 would sacrifice a couple of my best players, and for what? Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-06-01 21:50:18 Citera Svara Yeah, I'm in the camp that any formation can beat any other with the right tactics and set up, playing style, age, skill and form etc.. If having 3 at the back for example, no matter what formation you're up against, if they're not strong and a shit p style used you'll lose.

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I like to look at it like economics; when u get introduced to the concepts of economics, they talk about perfect competition, which we all know doesn't exist...but that is what the principles of the social science is built on; these assumptions that we well know are false, but we have to at least limit the variables to understand something or else it is fruitless. So we make 4 big assumptions and bam, we can start talking supply and demand. If you haven't fallen asleep yet, what I am getting at is that in a similar light, formation talk is only valuable if you hold the other variables (like strength and form) constant across both teams. So really, formation matchups are all theory and obviously don't hold water in every situation, but it doesn't mean that we can't learn from them and build our own theories as we put layers back on the onion so to speak.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-06-02 02:57:14 Citera Svara I think each formation has several formation you can play, for example if I know I am going to play against 3-5-2, I would consider playing 3-5-2 aswell (if my midfield was better), or LB with 5-3-2, 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. That gives me 3 or 4 formations to fit my strongest possible squad into, and if I can't play in those formations, I often add in a youth talent that needs a run out to make the formations. That said, I normally (against good managers), don't think they're going to a formation, but something along the lines of they only have 1 good striker, or will play one of 3-5-2, 4-4-2 or 4-5-1, and try and counter all those formations.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Gixerboy [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Gixerboy] Blev medlem: 2006-09-16 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-06-03 22:04:04 Citera Svara I have an idea of what formations I will play against other formations (although after reading a few of the threads in here it would seem I am wrong!) but I do try to play the strongest, in form players. I think you need to play your strongest team and if that fits into the formnation you want, all the better. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita]

Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Gixerboy Skrivet: 2009-06-14 18:18:11 Citera Svara This has gone a little dead recently so I thought I'd get it up and running again . What is your preferred method to build econ? And where do you start? Econ farming aside, how do you like to build econ? I often haven't had my teams long term enough to have had a sustainable strategy I can boast from experience, but my preferred outlook on it is to take SQ loaded 18/4's, train them up to 21/7-22/8 level and sell. Then I redistribute the cash into further youths + training them ad infinitum I would imagine. But what about you all? What is your outlook on this? And is my method poor in your opinion? Fire away!

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-06-14 19:23:22 Citera Svara Yeah, the way that I have built the teams that I have started from scratch with pretty much starts with a typical 18-man squad where probably 9 of the starting 11 are typically not youngsters and the remaining 9 are. I will build them up for a couple seasons and then make the call on whether to keep or sell and then restart the process until I get a base of kids that are on pace to do well. Is it the best way to teambuild? Probably not, but I did this in CC and I have never been relegated from the top division. So if you want to actually be competitive while you build, this is pretty much what you have to do.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 01:40:10 Citera Svara

Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita This has gone a little dead recently so I thought I'd get it up and running again . What is your preferred method to build econ? And where do you start? Econ farming aside, how do you like to build econ? I often haven't had my teams long term enough to have had a sustainable strategy I can boast from experience, but my preferred outlook on it is to take SQ loaded 18/4's, train them up to 21/7-22/8 level and sell. Then I redistribute the cash into further youths + training them ad infinitum I would imagine. But what about you all? What is your outlook on this? And is my method poor in your opinion? Fire away! Buy youngsters, sell them at a point where their value won't rise as much as a replacement could.

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-07-24 01:58:04 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Doomonyouall Buy youngsters, sell them at a point where their value won't rise as much as a replacement could. What specific ages would stick in your mind for this. [Thank you for resurrecting this thread and answering ]

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 16:37:48 Citera Svara I tend to buy between 17 and 21

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Doomonyouall Skrivet: 2009-07-24 19:00:04 Citera Svara You want my 23/yo in WWV so you do stretch it a little.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 19:41:44 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita This has gone a little dead recently so I thought I'd get it up and running again . What is your preferred method to build econ? And where do you start? Econ farming aside, how do you like to build econ? I often haven't had my teams long term enough to have had a sustainable strategy I can boast from experience, but my preferred outlook on it is to take SQ loaded 18/4's, train them up to 21/7-22/8 level and sell. Then I redistribute the cash into further youths + training them ad infinitum I would imagine. But what about you all? What is your outlook on this? And is my method poor in your opinion? Fire away! I prefer to sell as soon as they reach 6 skill. I know I won't make as much profit per player that way - but I'll have a higher turnover of players and more sales (hopefully more overall profit too) Virtually every player in my Knights team has been bought with the profits of selling 19/6s that have double-jumped from 18/4s. If they don't double-jump then I usually wait till they're a 20/6 then sell for 3-4m instead of the 4-6m for 19/6s. Do this enough times and you've got yourself a substantial warchest I've made an exception with Chris Drake as I've got plenty sitting in the bank now and I'll wait til he gets to 7/8 skill before selling. It also gets to a point where you want to be competetive and stop carrying 4 skills that are always going to cost you the odd point here and there. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent]

[Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-24 20:04:50 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Roberto11x I prefer to sell as soon as they reach 6 skill. I know I won't make as much profit per player that way - but I'll have a higher turnover of players and more sales (hopefully more overall profit too) Virtually every player in my Knights team has been bought with the profits of selling 19/6s that have double-jumped from 18/4s. If they don't double-jump then I usually wait till they're a 20/6 then sell for 3-4m instead of the 4-6m for 19/6s. Do this enough times and you've got yourself a substantial warchest I've made an exception with Chris Drake as I've got plenty sitting in the bank now and I'll wait til he gets to 7/8 skill before selling. It also gets to a point where you want to be competetive and stop carrying 4 skills that are always going to cost you the odd point here and there. Interesting method Roberto. I did that with my 19/6 for Depor this season and it's quite a feasible strategy you know.. Thanks for your input, I will keep that in mind for sure.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan PrinceCharming77 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-24 20:17:36 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Roberto11x I prefer to sell as soon as they reach 6 skill. I know I won't make as much profit per player that way - but I'll have a higher turnover of players and more sales (hopefully more overall profit too) Virtually every player in my Knights team has been bought with the profits of selling 19/6s that have double-jumped from 18/4s. If they don't double-jump then I usually wait till they're a 20/6 then sell for 3-4m instead of the 4-6m for 19/6s. Do this enough times and you've got yourself a substantial warchest I've made an exception with Chris Drake as I've got plenty sitting in the bank now and I'll wait til he gets to 7/8 skill before selling. It also gets to a point where you want to be competetive and stop carrying 4 skills that are always going to cost you the odd point here and there. Thanks for this. That is exactly what I have planned to do with my xpert side. Was thinking about 17/4:s but if I can find some cheap 18/4 hard trainers that will be easier. And since I suck at teambuildning its nice to know that this method works. Flytta till verst p sidan

Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: PrinceCharming77 Skrivet: 2009-07-24 20:30:08 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: PrinceCharming77 Thanks for this. That is exactly what I have planned to do with my xpert side. Was thinking about 17/4:s but if I can find some cheap 18/4 hard trainers that will be easier. And since I suck at teambuildning its nice to know that this method works. The only prob I find with hard trainers to try and get a double jump to sell on is that they're hard trainers and I hate selling them, even if they do double jump! I try and buy 18/4s with a couple of SQs, train their bollocks off and sell them the next season, the qualities a season or two later on can bring in a few extra million

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-07-24 20:39:50 Citera Svara Got a bite on my only "farm" this season at the first time of asking so maybe should have priced a little higher. Bought two underevaluated players this season spending 1m on evals in the process, so effectively Bondi cost 2.6m+0.5m+130k (training) and will sell for 7m tonught so a profit of just over 3.5m. I will NOT be following this route again though. I find it too risky and not enough return. The previous season I bought an underevaluated 17/4 as a 5 skill and trained him to an 18/6. Profit made was 9.5m, therefore 270% greater!! Plus I could sell him to every league with an open transfer market early in my season, where I was very limited with Bondi as he's already been transferred in my season. The supply of 17/4's on the market is huge so a 5 skill is not hard to spot amongst them. I know others like buying 19/5's evaluated as 6's at 1m a pop but I do believe where I am probably offers the greatest return at least risk.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem]

[Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:08:25 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: GRASSBANDITS The supply of 17/4's on the market is huge so a 5 skill is not hard to spot amongst them. I know others like buying 19/5's evaluated as 6's at 1m a pop but I do believe where I am probably offers the greatest return at least risk. Agreed. My two youngest defenders in my Xpert team were 17/4s that evaluated as 5s ... pretty easy to spot. I can hit one under-rated player for every two evaluations now when I stick firmly to the long list of 'indicators' I've built up. I've kept my two 17/5s though (one now a 19/7, the other an 18/6 with HT) so haven't strictly farmed them. I'll probably keep the HT'er and sell the other when he's worth over 20mil. Either way though, both are now worth around 10m each for a combined outlay of 8.2m. I didn't get them at quite the bargain you got, but I'm happy with the return so far Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:16:04 Citera Svara There's plenty around so you can be patient, but it's horses for courses, and if you're looking to keep then 1m either way is pretty cool.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: PrinceCharming77 Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:16:39 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: PrinceCharming77 Thanks for this. That is exactly what I have planned to do with my xpert side. Was thinking about 17/4:s but if I can find some cheap 18/4 hard trainers that will be easier. And since I suck at teambuildning its nice to know that this method works.

It depends... I think the best method for making money in the Xpert Leagues is still farming underevaluated players, or as I outlined in my previous post - finding these players, then developing them for a season or two and then selling for huge profit. The 18/4 method is really what I use for for Private leagues only. Unlike Doom, I've got no idea how to find underevaluated players in private leagues so have to do the best with what I've got... 18/4s are so cheap it doesn't matter if they don't double jump at the first attempt, you can still make a nice profit as 19/5s or preferably 20/6s (especially with SQs). The 18/4 method would still have merit in the Xpert leagues, but if I was currently looking to make a lot of money with my Xpert side, then I'd be buying up as many underevaluted 17/4 - 5s as possible. Flytta till verst p sidan 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:24:39 Citera Svara Roberto, I'm thinking of applying this in the VERY short term. In my NJS side, I have two 18/4's on 17+ AF (well 3, but I intend to keep Aaron Hall) and if they double I'm thinking of just selling them to buy some SQ laden 18/4's, Keith Sweat is one of the players in particular and he has 3 SQ's.. 2 of them visible, so that could earn me a real mint.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:35:11 Citera Svara Lolz, Doom doesn't know how to find undervals in private leagues!

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:49:00 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Saint_Ash Lolz, Doom doesn't know how to find undervals in private leagues!

I do. Spend a shit load on evals, get lucky, then tell everyone I have a system

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:50:22 Citera Svara Yup, 2 visible SQs are a goldmine on those type of players. I think one of the ones I sold was free-kick+allround and got 6.5m for an outlay of 200k plus 2 or 3 trainings. Its great in short leagues like this where its only necessary to train an 18/4 2 or 3 times, then if they double jump, make an inst 4m+ profit. I almost always sack these 18/4s if they come with below 8 form... I hate wasting good training money on a cheap player that might not even go up 1 bar, let alone two Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-24 21:50:40 Citera Svara But did you check with Iwe to make sure it wasn't cheating? THAT is the question! PS - Doom if this tugged at your heartstrings, feel free to check with me to make sure it isn't cheating instead and I will give you a straight answer.

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Ursprungligen postat av: Roberto11x Yup, 2 visible SQs are a goldmine on those type of players. I think one of the ones I sold was free-kick+allround and got 6.5m for an outlay of 200k plus 2 or 3 trainings. Its great in short leagues like this where its only necessary to train an 18/4 2 or 3 times, then if they double jump, make an inst 4m+ profit. I almost always sack these 18/4s if they come with below 8 form... I hate wasting good training money on a cheap player that might not even go up 1 bar, let alone two Indeed matey, and it happens to be the New Jack Swing play in 6 team divisions too , so I can make this work real quick. I will be selling Al B Sure this season if he jumps, so I might even go for some rather magical THREE SQ players if they're not INSANELY expensive.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 22:13:55 Citera Svara I have about 8m for my Coles side. I might bid on an 18/4 FK/Shooting/Quick player.. he will prob cost me like 5m though. But I'm thinking it'll be worth it when I finally sell him.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 22:26:07 Uppdaterat: 2009-07-24 22:27:47 Citera Svara Ouch...that would eat too much into any profit margin. By the time you could sell for a alot more than you bought, you'd have spent a fair bit on training as well - further eating your profits. And if he comes with horrible form, say 3 or 4 (which I've had several times) then you can rule out a double jump, and better start praying you can get him 1 bar at the CR and not look a twonk for paying 5m for a 19/4 I wouldn't want to pay more than 1m for any 18/4 no matter what the SQs to be honest.

Flytta till verst p sidan Saint_Ash [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Saint_Ash] Blev medlem: 2007-02-21 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-24 22:44:18 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: GRASSBANDITS I do. Spend a shit load on evals, get lucky, then tell everyone I have a system Amen to that brother bandit!

Do something special http://www.blood.co.uk/platelets/ Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 22:59:06 Citera Svara Sure you could make a load on him Bej and it would look mint on your transfers page but if you could do 3 x 8m in the time you could make 15m on this kind of deal it makes more sense...I think

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 23:07:15 Citera Svara Good points lads, cheers for the input, decided to hold back.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-24 23:18:12 Citera Svara Got a much more sensible deal in the pipeline for tonight. 18/4 striker with cool, allround and header, currently for 1.7m and I'm leading the bidding. I will update you in 45 minutes.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-25 00:05:16 Citera Svara Nobody else bid. Even if they're not the most valuable SQ's, I reckon after skill gain people will bid purely for the fact he has 3 SQ's.. So yeah, 1.7m, nice coup.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan StuartWheatley [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2006-06-13 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-25 00:06:43 Citera Svara Better with HT though Flytta till verst p sidan

Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: StuartWheatley Skrivet: 2009-07-25 01:06:29 Citera Svara Here he is! http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx?PlayerID=9895608&TeamID=721998&dh=5 10 form, but got time to train him before season starts anyway. Just gonna train him over and over.. Hope for that double!!

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Saint_Ash Skrivet: 2009-07-25 03:57:56 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Saint_Ash Lolz, Doom doesn't know how to find undervals in private leagues! I do (or I did). iwe made a huge unnoticed change to the transfer market making it a lot harder, but still doable (a bigger risk than before). In EuroXtreme VIP, I evaluated about 12 players who I thought would be undervalued, only two weren't (and one was two bars under). Copied it to an extent in VIP Invitational, although didn't buy so many (again got a double undervalued). Recently did it with The Walruses, 5 evaluations found two (both sold this season at more than double what I paid (and both hard trainers but I didn't know that till evaluation). The method is actually useable in Xpert League, but you wouldn't use it there as the method everyone uses is much better than my PL method.

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Skrivet: 2009-07-25 03:59:58 Citera Svara The Walruses just sold a player for a lot, and the squad doesn't really need new players, so may waste some doing it

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Skrivet: 2009-07-25 04:46:01 Citera Svara Anyone can do that though.. 2/8? with just going to a agent that likes to under-eval you'd expect 2 from 8 trys. Your method is called pot luck.

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-25 08:46:50 Citera Svara Can somebody help me, I can't seem to ever find an undereval my xpert sides. I find more via pot luck with my private sides. So this is the method I use, they me what's wrong: 1. Search for GK's I like 19/5's for this. 2. Select an unreliable agent. 3. Find a blue linked player and check out how many games he's played. 19 year old GK's only need to play 3 or 4 for 100% ME. 4. Look at the players skill page and make sure he's a high 5 skill. 5. Check team form isn't below 10 6. Evaluate I use GK's and 19/5's because it makes step 3 much easier, and they get more ME. Is there anything wrong with that or am I unlucky.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-07-25 10:10:42 Uppdaterat: 2009-07-25 10:13:03 Citera Svara Yes. The change report is pro-rata to the length of his current season. If you link to a young keeper (19 yrs) that has played 2 competitive games you know he has 100% ME but he may only be 10% of the way through his season, therefore, he only receives 10% of his update. With high form and full ME this may be a very small update and therefore not enough for a visible increase. Increase your chances by prioritising buying from leagues that have played 8-9+ games of their Xpert season. It's not to say you won't find under-evals from teams 3 games into their season but the further in the more you increase your

chances. Moody/Greedy aside if the player has played to his skill or above his skill in the matches he's played (and you can search all of them now) then that will be an indication he's relatively high in his skill of course.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-07-25 14:02:02 Citera Svara For a start, you're not being nearly strict enough there Neo. Point 5 for example - team form of 10 would put me off right away, i'd be looking for at least 13 or 14. I've got quite an extensive check-list that I've built up over a long period. I never wanted to share it before now as a lot of trial and error (and evaluations) went into it initially, but I've now refined it so I can hit one under-valued player for every two attempts every time. Only fair to share it now, seeing as I've just recently picked up a few hard-trainers due to people in here sharing their research. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 14:11:52 Citera Svara First of all, I hope I dont piss off too many people in posting this as a lot of you have come to these conclusions yourself through trial and error. But Im not reproducing anyone elses work these are all things Ive learnt myself, so I dont feel too guilty about sharing them A lot of it is obvious stuff, and a lot of people in here will already know most (if not all) of it. Think of the whole process as looking for a player whod get a good change report under normal circumstances youre looking for players that have good match experience and good average form. Only look at unreliable agents (pretty obvious!) Look for players that are blue-linked as its only these players whose history can be checked. Black-link players used to have a good chance of being undervalued due to the way the system worked, but I believe Iwe tweaked this so not so many are now. If the player is sufficiently high skilled to appear on the stats page for his teams Xpert series, then you can check to see if hes high in his bracket. This doesnt work for the low skill players I usually target, as they arent of sufficient skill to appear on the skill stats pages. Go to Coming Matches the best candidates are those whose teams only have 2 games left to play as this is the last point in the season at which the selling manager can sell. Rule a player out if he still has more than half the season to go.

See what skill the player was when he joined his current side. For example, if youre looking at 17/4 that you think might become a 5 on evaluation/transfer, then check to see if he originally came in as a 16/4 (and played some games in that first season too). If he did, then hes got every chance of being a high 17/4 already and very likely to become a 5 skill when he comes to your team. Check to see how well the player has played in his matches. If his best match is above his current skill then thats a good indication hes high in the bracket and therefore a good candidate for evaluation. Moody, and to a lesser extent Greedy players can invalidate the previous rule, so be careful just because a player has been playing way above his skill, doesnt necessarily mean hes high in his skill bracket these SQs can mess with that. You can now check this to a certain extent by seeing what skill the player played to in each of his matches. If these are all consistently high then the player is likely high in his skill bracket if hes played a few stinkers then he could well be moody. Whilst you are checking a players previous matches, you might as well keep an eye out for if the player ever got a serious injury along the way which would have hampered his average form. I generally rule a player out if hes had a serious injury, even if all the other indicators are good. Check the teams current form if its good (at least 13), then check that the same manager has been in charge of that team for the duration that player has been at the club if hes the same manager then its a good indication that said manager knows the importance of training (loads dont!) and its likely that the player you are looking at has been in good form for a while (hence a good average form). Look at the players current price on the transfer market if its significantly above the average price for similar players then thats a good indication that other people have spotted said player as under-rated. Be careful though if other people know the player is under-rated, then youre probably not going to get a great bargain. Never bother evaluating 18/4s theyre cheap enough to put a speculative bid on if youve gone through the check list and they look likely. These sort of players can be picked up for 100-200k a pop, so theres no point wasting an eval. One other thing that can be done (although I never have!) is quite obvious mail the selling manager and ask him about the players form. This depends a lot on whether you can trust the manager to be honest, and being the paranoid bugger I am Ive never risked it! Stick strictly to these indicators (ruling out any players who dont meet at least most of the conditions) and youll be picking up undervalued players in one or two attempts (three at the most) Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 14:53:04 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Roberto11x Look for players that are blue-linked as its only these players whose history can be checked. Black-link players used to have a good chance of being undervalued due to the way the system worked, but I believe Iwe tweaked this so not so many are now. I can verify this to a point having spent 9m on evals of 'black link' only players two seasons ago to uncover only 2 underevaluations and 11 overevaluations from 36 players checked.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan]

[Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 14:57:13 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Roberto11x Go to Coming Matches the best candidates are those whose teams only have 2 games left to play as this is the last point in the season at which the selling manager can sell. Rule a player out if he still has more than half the season to go. To a point yes. If he's a keep then this is key, however, if you're looking for a farm I tend to think the opposite. Look for players who you think only need a small incease as the demand from other manager and therefore the price will likely be lower.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-25 15:08:51 Citera Svara Indeed. I never thought about it that way before, but that's a very good point. With so many people knowing how to find them, the more obvious under-rated players get spotted quite easily. However, by being stricter and only going for those who are likely to get a bigger increase, I'm wasting fewer evaluations presumably? Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 16:09:25 Citera Svara If you follow the same process I doubt you would be wasting so much money i.e. Look for 16/4's that are now 17/4's but only have a relatively small amount of update due. Others will often ignore these players as they want to buy someone who will earn as big an update as possible. This is only realistic if you're looking so sell in the same season or you're confident of a 16+ form average that will make him a valuable 18/6 the following season.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-25 17:07:28 Citera Svara Thanks Roberto and GB. You've certainly pointed out a whole lot of little things I've never considered, but are clearly important, such as season length.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Roberto11x [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Roberto11x] Blev medlem: 2007-04-28 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-25 17:16:13 Citera Svara True, I guess then it depends solely on what your long term intention for the player is. If you're looking to ship the player out immediately 30 days later, then its more profitable to take more risks. But if there is an outside chance you might wish to keep or at least develop the player for a season or two before selling then going for the player with the bigger increase is viable. 18/4s that a re really 5s represent very good value too at the moment, without even bothering with evaluations. Its easy to pick up these sort of players for under 200k, and by sticking strictly to those wholl get a large increase you are still ensuring a hit in 1 or 2 attempts, but at very low cost/risk. I recently had space in my Xpert squad for 1 pure farm so checked the market for 18/4s with 1 valuable SQ took only 2 purchases to get 1 5 skill at a total cost of 300k for both players (the one who remained a 4 skill was sacked straight away to make room to bid for the one who eventually turned out to be a 5). I bet my mate I could do the same with his new Xpert team found him 2 candidates with a decent SQ and bingo, one turned out to be 5 skill. He spent no more than 300k on the two players and like me, can now sell the 18/5 in a months time for at least 2.5m meaning an easy 2.2m+ profit guaranteed, with no evaluations, and no risk. Its far more viable for teams with a small budget to do that. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 17:23:56 Uppdaterat: 2009-07-25 17:28:57 Citera Svara

Squad "space" is a big problem for me though. I usually run as close to a full squad as possible when I believe I can keep increasing the value of my playing assets, so, whilst 2-3 x 2.5m is a very tidy profit if it's tying up 2-3 places where I've got a genuine player increasing in value 3-4m a season I have to take that into account too else it's false economy. Edit - eg. 17/5 = 7.5m, 18/6 = 10.5m, 19/7 = 12.5m, 20/8 = 14.8m; or if I've looked after him he's now a 20/9 worth over 20m

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-07-25 19:36:08 Citera Svara I haven't farmed in a while thanks to the 20 squad limit, but when I did I was only successful when I did what Roberto does; the "black" players NEVER worked for me, even pre-tweak.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Roberto11x Skrivet: 2009-07-25 20:22:38 Citera Svara Good posts lads. Can't agree much more with Roberto's post. What I would say as guidance, is that I tend to find the players that get farm-attempted the most are the ones bought by managers that most clearly see last match and best match ratings.. These are the criteria I think most inflate the price. For me, the best way to get a bargain is to look at the 'time in season' the most.. My last farm, I was so close to getting him for 600k, his last match was only 1 above his skill, and his best was 2 above I think, but his side were at least 7 games into the season, so it was cool. Only cost me 1.3m in the end, not exceptional, but respectable nonetheless.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Mistra [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Mistra] Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2009-07-26 13:14:05 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Richardfenn Gildar said no, and that was good enough for me. I'll try and dig up the post later, when I'm sober. sorry folks for bringing up old subjects, i'm catching up with x11 now when i found some time... my question is: Gildar sad that man-marking freekick taker wont affect their ability to score freekicks, but in the same time man-marking goalkeepers is still employed and we are presuming that this affects their shoot-stopping abilities... i mean, these two situations are kinda similar, and this inconsistency has no sense, why would Iwe leave a loophole in one case and not in another? would it be safe to presume that it has no sense to man-mark goalkeepers? Flytta till verst p sidan Doomonyouall [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Doomonyouall] Blev medlem: 2006-04-02 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-26 13:36:33 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Anyone can do that though.. 2/8? with just going to a agent that likes to under-eval you'd expect 2 from 8 trys. Your method is called pot luck. 2/8, a quarter, you really think a quarter of the players in private league markets are undervalued? There aren't agents that like to undervalue...

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Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Mistra sorry folks for bringing up old subjects, i'm catching up with x11 now when i found some time... my question is: Gildar sad that man-marking freekick taker wont affect their ability to score freekicks, but in the same time man-marking goalkeepers is still employed and we are presuming that this affects their shoot-stopping abilities... i mean, these two situations are kinda similar, and this inconsistency has no sense, why would Iwe leave a loophole in one case and not in another? would it be safe to presume that it has no sense to man-mark goalkeepers? Don't agree with you, don't think they are similar.

Please help African orphans by sponsoring me to climb Kilimanjaro at http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RobertTreweek Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2009-07-26 14:06:22 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Mistra sorry folks for bringing up old subjects, i'm catching up with x11 now when i found some time... my question is: Gildar sad that man-marking freekick taker wont affect their ability to score freekicks, but in the same time man-marking goalkeepers is still employed and we are presuming that this affects their shoot-stopping abilities... i mean, these two situations are kinda similar, and this inconsistency has no sense, why would Iwe leave a loophole in one case and not in another? would it be safe to presume that it has no sense to man-mark goalkeepers? I don't think they're similar either. A keeper's performance is affected by their chance > save ratio I often find (as is strikers with chance > goal ratio) and marking the keeper does often result in a better conversion rate, which leads to visible indication the keeper played worse.. However I see FK's as a separate entity.. A battle purely between taker and keeper.

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Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-26 14:30:11 Citera Svara Heres the situation ahead of a game tonight, bit of a selection/formation headache. But what attacker would you select from the following if you were too use a lone striker? 34/9 - 5 Form (back from serious injury) 26/9 - 10 Form (still lightly injured) 31/6 - 17 Form (No heart)

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-26 14:34:47 Citera Svara NOT the 31/6 without a doubt. It's all about how much you want to play Russian Roulette with the others. I've played lightly injured players on several occasions but there are a few things to keep in mind (and I've been stung before). Is the 26/9 likely to get marked? If so I would shy away from using him.. But if not, I would gamble with him. Take the ref into consideration too, if it's a 'careful' ref, then I would be more inclined to play the 26/9, of course, this has to be interpreted from your opponents eyes. If you opponent will bruise with a 9/9 then it's irrelevant! But in most cases I would gamble with the 26/9, but to keep your sanity the 34/9 is viable I guess. Never in a million years would I play the 31/6 though.

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Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita I don't think they're similar either. A keeper's performance is affected by their chance > save ratio I often find (as is strikers with chance > goal ratio) and marking the keeper does often result in a better conversion rate, which leads to visible indication the keeper played worse.. However I see FK's as a separate entity.. A battle purely between taker and keeper. i get your logic Bej, but in one case you choose to see it as a battle purely between taker and keeper, and in other case you don't see it as a battle purely between keeper and attacker coming at him, i.e. taking the shot? thus i'm wondering, did someone confirm that their chance-to-save ratio is affected by man-marking, or you just presume that cause their rating is lowered? Flytta till verst p sidan 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ... Frfattare Meddelande Waynederanged [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Waynederanged] Blev medlem: 2006-08-17 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-26 15:22:32 Citera Svara I'd go for the 26/9 every time and hope your opponent doesn't risk marking him, thinking you wouldn't play an injured player. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2009-07-26 15:44:42 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Mistra i get your logic Bej, but in one case you choose to see it as a battle purely between taker and keeper, and in other case you don't see it as a battle purely between keeper and attacker coming at him, i.e. taking the shot? thus i'm wondering, did someone confirm that their chance-to-save ratio is affected by man-marking, or you just presume that cause their rating is lowered? I presume it, so you don't have to take my opinion for one of value.. but that's my conclusion from my experiences using it anyway. I think a better way of wording my original answer regarding the 'battles' is that I think tightly mark only has an effect in open play.

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Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-07-26 19:26:59 Citera Svara Yeah my general thought is that Bundy the 26/9 should be selected, but although he'll reach maybe a 9/10 rating i'm usure if he's in right condition to score a goal, i'm actually leaning towards the lowest skilled attacker and choose form as a threat over skill. Don't know, i've changed my mind again, i really want to play 4-4-2 because it's the best formation for neutral, but form elsewhere is shifting my choice.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Grecian [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Grecian] Blev medlem: 2008-02-19 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-26 20:18:07 Citera Svara i would go for the higher form player despite his no "heart" as stated if he is man marked the 9 skill then he will play even lower than he would and with a form of that already he wont play to well at all

Look lets get to the point, If you dont like me you can do a Vincent The Big G Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Grecian Skrivet: 2009-07-26 22:15:51 Uppdaterat: 2009-07-26 22:17:07 Citera Svara Has already been played since then bud. I ended up going for the 26/9 up front slight injured, but i went for LRS so thought he'd be better for the game, ok i think i bottled that selection, my choice was for the form 6skill and only changed it 1 minute before K/O & shifted the focus into the middle via form - Bundy missed a couple of chances, so i'll say the 6skill might've helped me more, but went for the safe option.. oh well. It was a final so had to get the attack proper & maybe not gamble too much, we win 2-1.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-07-26 22:26:51 Citera Svara Congrats mate.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-08-26 16:31:38 Citera Svara What's your take on cheating with highly skilled refs? I have a few examples (will have to dig them out) where I've been reading my opposition, and the aggression they will use and it's lead to situations where I've decided to cheat with an unorthodox ref. Most prominent I think is the 7/2 ref, skill 7 seems to make it a stupid ref to cheat with, but in reality I seem to have found that it's a brilliant ref to cheat with if your opponent will bruise as they will spot the offences, if you cheat you don't get punished badly, and as a result of spotting the offences you often get more set pieces.. Another ref who is a bit more borderline but still similar IMO is the 6/4 Obviously if I didn't have a player capable of taking advantage of the set pieces I wouldn't bother, but if so.. I think it's feasible. What's your take?

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2007-08-17 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-08-26 17:26:46 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita I have a few examples (will have to dig them out) where I've been reading my opposition, and the aggression they will use and it's lead to situations where I've decided to cheat with an unorthodox ref. What's your take? same basically, this is my game against Rovven in TCC, he went bruise with Al Beback (S6, H3), i went cheat, result: http://www.xperteleven.com/cupGameDetails.aspx?GameID=605806&dh=3 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2009-09-18 02:11:48 Citera Svara Here is another for the scrap book, today in my official Euro League game I had Hans Gruber as the ref (5/9). Knowing my opponent would play Normal aggression, I decided to go Careful + Cheat. I was rewarded with several set pieces, and a FK goal. I also won MotR despite pretty average tactics. http://www.xperteleven.com/gameDetails.aspx?GameID=7065376&dh=1

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Dmandmythdledge [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Dmandmythdledge] Blev medlem: 2006-06-04 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-09-18 04:34:44 Citera Svara Interesting. As I said in the scribble I need to think outside the box a bit more when it comes to playing ref values. Did you have many cheaters in that line up btw?

The Chaos Cartel...simply the best Free the Karlos 1 Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Dmandmythdledge Skrivet: 2009-09-18 04:53:47 Uppdaterat: 2009-09-18 04:54:05 Citera Svara One. As usual I was playing to exploit my opponent's weakness (rash aggression) as opposed to playing to my strength.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Muskateer [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2006-04-12 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-09-18 07:49:58 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Bejjita Here is another for the scrap book, today in my official Euro League game I had Hans Gruber as the ref (5/9). Knowing my opponent would play Normal aggression, I decided to go Careful + Cheat. Is that an unusual decision then? I'd always do that with that ref, unless the opponent was stronger and didn't have a decent FK taker, in which case I'd use normal and cheat. I use cheat whenever the ref is harsher than he is skilled, basically. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Muskateer Skrivet: 2009-09-18 14:31:01 Citera Svara It is for me, if they were going to use careful (as most people would with a 5/9) then I wouldn't use cheat because it's a

needless risk IMO.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2009-09-24 13:32:15 Citera Svara Today's random stat of the day concerns the distribution of youths in C24 this season. - Only 17 of 42 franchises promoted a youth this season and he's still at the club, so that's 60% of us that have nothing to show for another season. - Four franchises promoted and kept 2 youths; Mr Men, Leigh Genesis, Real Tiki Taka, and West Ham Rangers. - Unsuprisingly C6 franchises kept the most youths in total, 6. - The best youth seen all season was a 17/4 and no 16 year olds were promoted between the 42 franchises. Distribution of promoted (and kept) youths are: 17/3 x 1 17/4 x 3 18/4 x 8 19/4 x 3 20/4 x 3 19/5 x 2 20/5 x 1 It's impossible to compare retrospectively but I believe the distributions of decent youths have continued to get worse rather than the formula was only changed by the crew once. In my own experience of having 2 16/4's in 9 seasons I believe this seasons crop are I think poorer than ever before...

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan _angst_ [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [_angst_] Blev medlem: 2006-08-23 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-09-24 15:18:24 Citera Svara All I wanted to add is that I can confirm that there have been changes made and that it's more rare to get a super youth now. I'm still trying to find more out about this though so sadly I don't have much more.

"I've seen the future baby, it is murder" Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: _angst_ Skrivet: 2009-09-24 15:24:10 Citera Svara Cheers for that Alex. Although it was perfectly clear this was the case, my reasoning for posting was to try to canvass whether this is a gradual ongoing process or whether parameters were changed once or maybe twice at a specific point in time?? If you knew youth distribution was a moving target I for one would approach my teambuilding in a very different way compared with a market that is much more stable.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan PrinceCharming77 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-09-24 15:56:27 Citera Svara Me and Duff have a player each with most nominations to the X11 they have also been captains equally many times. Will Duff get the bonus since his guy has scored more points than mine or what will happen? Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: PrinceCharming77 Skrivet: 2009-09-24 17:25:17 Citera Svara TP, I believe ZZ for us wins it, can't remember the exact order it comes down to, but he has more goals + less cards.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan _angst_ [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [_angst_] Blev medlem: 2006-08-23 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-09-24 17:39:18 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: GRASSBANDITS Cheers for that Alex. Although it was perfectly clear this was the case, my reasoning for posting was to try to canvass whether this is a gradual ongoing process or whether parameters were changed once or maybe twice at a specific point in time?? If you knew youth distribution was a moving target I for one would approach my teambuilding in a very different way compared with a market that is much more stable. What I meant was that it seems there has been a recent change. Atleast the info I've seen seems to imply one change. But I'm not completely sure. Will keep looking into it though.

"I've seen the future baby, it is murder" Flytta till verst p sidan PrinceCharming77 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-09-24 18:13:01 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster TP, I believe ZZ for us wins it, can't remember the exact order it comes down to, but he has more goals + less cards. Ok, why did you have to be captain in the final game of the season Flytta till verst p sidan 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...

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Flytta till verst p sidan PrinceCharming77 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-09-24 20:34:02 Uppdaterat: 2009-09-24 20:34:17 Citera Svara Damn you Thanks, never thought I could do it. Had a lousy start to the season and quite weak team. Ive got 28 mill in the bank so I hope we can be a little stronger next season congrats to no. 1 Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: PrinceCharming77 Skrivet: 2009-09-26 14:22:18 Citera Svara OK so I had a quick tot up today of the youth distribution currently in the archive for all Xpert Leagues and found the following from the last 599 youths promoted. There were ZERO 16/5's There were ZERO 16/6's There were ZERO 17/6's League; Promoted Youths; 16/4's; 17/5's; 18/6's All; 599; 1; 8; 6 Classic; 27; 0; 1; 0 Dream; 27; 0; 0; 0 Euro; 10; 0; 0; 0 Final; 34; 1; 1; 0 Golden; 52; 0; 1; 0 Hattrick; 29; 0; 0; 0 LoC; 38; 0; 1; 1 Major; 63; 0; 0; 0 Master; 25; 0; 1; 0 Power; 33; 0; 0; 0 Pro; 50; 0; 1; 0 Super; 57; 0; 1; 1 Ultimate; 66; 0; 1; 1 XI; 11; 0; 0; 1 Xpert; 37; 0; 0; 0 Xtreme; 40; 0; 0; 1 Only 2.5% of promoted youths were of comparable skill to 16/4 (15/599), but only 0.2% were actually 16/4 - with nothing of better skill distributed. I didn't count but the instances of 16/3 were also very rare. If you assume say 50% of youths are rejected you have a 0.1% chance of receiving a 16/4 from this sample, which if you assume you get 1 youth a month on average would mean you expect to receive... 16/4 once every 83 years in real time!! 16/4 or equivalent (17/5, 18/6) once every 7 years in real time!!

Obviously this is not a conclusive sample size, but anyone who's thinking of starting youth project anytime soon had better be realistic about the team they can build.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-09-26 17:51:25 Citera Svara When I started building 23 as a youth team with a pretty big budget I looked and traced every decent youth I wanted to buy to see if they had doubled jumped in the past. Most of the really decent players were from teams that had been created rather than youth talents, I don't think the crew have decided to limit their creation for new teams but it looks like as far as youth talents go, they have. Class post btw GB!

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS] Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-09-26 18:44:16 Citera Svara I managed to find this guy (17/6) who had recently fallen off the Final League transfer archive. Maybe there is a better chance of a newly created team receiving a super-youth?? http://www.xperteleven.com/gonePlayers.aspx?TeamID=789031&dh=1 At least it confirms you can still get players of this quality. Will add further samples I think on a monthly basis just to see if the 599 players here were below the standard we can expect.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan]

[Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-09-26 20:03:56 Citera Svara Check out Nobego's team http://www.xperteleven.com/players.aspx?TeamID=8115&Boost=0&dh=1 he has a good cross section of some of the finest youth talents and start up players that money can buy. He outbid me on a couple when we were setting up our teams, most notably the defender, Gustavo Caetano. The seller finished 23hrs early on 35m

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan _angst_ [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [_angst_] Blev medlem: 2006-08-23 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-09-26 20:36:23 Citera Svara I don't think he will reach the XCL again. He will probably be in division 6-8 when he can turn the losing trend around and by then he has to face 6 divisions of XIstrength teams before he's at the top.

"I've seen the future baby, it is murder" Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: _angst_ Skrivet: 2009-09-26 20:51:54 Citera Svara I don't think he will drop more than div 6; when he gets there, his team will be 23 average age er so, and a lot stronger than most teams there so I think given his tactical nuance he should be ok, might even stick in div 5, who knows.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-09-26 20:59:29 Citera Svara he has plenty of room for a couple of oldies when the time is right to lift his average age

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-09-27 00:34:01 Citera Svara Since its a new day.... Best counter to a 4-3-3 on neutral ground. Its my xpert cup game and to be honest I should win but always happy to listen to some advice.

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Ursprungligen postat av: Basilbrush303 Since its a new day.... Best counter to a 4-3-3 on neutral ground. Its my xpert cup game and to be honest I should win but always happy to listen to some advice. In the good ol' high ranking days I would def go 4-4-2, careful, pressure and mark their best striker. In the brand new days the tactics of old don't seem to work as well.

"I've seen the future baby, it is murder" Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2009-09-27 01:40:31 Citera Svara are longballs a given? If not, 451 LRS (maybe even if he is using longballs). If so, and you have a stronger 433 available, use it.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-09-27 11:55:43 Citera Svara Best counters for 4-3-3 is 5-2-3, but let's face it nobody has a good 5-2-3 line up. So I'd go for 4-5-1 press.

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Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-10-19 21:01:08 Citera Svara What about when you guys buy under-evals with the full intention of selling on 1 month later. My question being do you(s) feel it's better to give them a game or two in that month before selling... what i'm getting at do you reckon they could/will fetch a higher profit/interest by giving them some ME?

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-10-19 22:08:29 Citera Svara I think it all depends. Personally I don't play farms, but for me every decision has to have some sort of opportunity value. If you were to give a farm some ME, what it does is typically put the result in danger and it also prevents you from playing a player that you want to keep which would affect either their ME or teamwork values. If those 2 events were totally neutral, then you would have to consider it... But you also have to keep in mind that spinning farms is a mug's game. You aren't ever going to catch out a manager that knows what they are doing and those are the managers that would be checking the player's statistics on games played, etc. So really, it begs the question if it is worth it at all to play farms.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-10-19 23:09:19 Citera Svara Colin makes a good point somebody checking games, will spot that you're selling a farm, so no gain there. Where there could be gain is if the player's average form is less than 10. That is, one would assume you've signed a player low in the skill bar, and you don't want to try and sell him as a player who is advertised as 7 skill bars, but is really 6

on evaluation. So a game could help avoid that. Not sure how much it would, and not sure how much over-evals affect the price tho.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2009-10-20 00:11:18 Citera Svara If playing the farm could cost me points, I'd rather train them then play them in this case.

They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2009-10-20 00:59:29 Citera Svara I wouldn't play any under eval player in an "important" game i'm not that wasteful, but tbf selling an under eval isn't to decent managers anyway because they don't buy players that have been bought for this, so to me this type ain't even in the market your aiming at in the first place. What i'm more thinking of here is a game or 2 on the players profile at first glance might generate a little bit more interest from the average buyer, and this type of player usually always comes into the team with a poor last match rating & i'm thinking if I can place a higher match rating on them it might get a few extra econ on top of the sale? maybe bullshite aye, but just wondered if anybody doe's it and finds it more useful when it's time to sell. I'm going to play both the MFs I just bought in the very first cup game giving 'em 2 games each.. they both have nice SQs so I expect interest regardless but each have below skill previous ratings.. more so the FK MF.. he actually has 17avg form & the other one has played to 8 but poor last game too.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan GRASSBANDITS [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [GRASSBANDITS]

Blev medlem: 2007-11-15 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2009-10-20 11:03:22 Citera Svara I train them hard and I play them a little if I think I can get a visible increase out of them assuming they don't sell. The reasoning is I have a target sale price and if I can't achieve that price due to where I am in my season etc. I'm not selling for a knockdown if the player will become even more valuable and certainly more saleable once he's gone through a change report. eg. I bought a 17/5 for 2m a season before last, couldn't shift him at 8m so he went through a change report and sold as an 18/6 for 12m. I guess I just don't like the idea of not training players and not having a plan b or selling them for less than I expect.

Every time I think we have hit the bottom, the ground opens up again and we fall a bit more. Flytta till verst p sidan Colinzink [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Colinzink] Blev medlem: 2008-01-18 Svar till: GRASSBANDITS Skrivet: 2009-10-20 17:27:39 Citera Svara ideally tho, u got the player in the first third of the season and then have like 5+ weeks to sell him. So u shouldn't have to worry about not moving him, or moving him for a lower than expected price.

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Citera Svara Manager Ranking Was brought up before, and apart from the dumbing down of SQ points, is there anyone wondering if something else has given on the manager bar front? I didn't think it was the case, but i'm browsing the top 10 tonight on log-in page and suprised 14bars can get you into top 7? 15bars yesterday for N#1? what's that all aboot, those type of manager bars would get you nowhere near a year ago, was 17 for top #5 last Feb... So is it just SQ coming into play [but in mind how many count on that bonus?] or the top 10 & all - weaker on manager points than previous years, or another tweak elsewhere meaning gone are days of 18+bars blah.... Of interest.

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2010-02-12 02:46:49 Citera Svara Just yesterday I got an email from Musk in the LUFC saying wtf we're the best managers here with 9 bars, and as it turns out neither of us are trying. Normally in that league you would expect 10, or 11 bars to be the top, to account for the variety in manager skills and team strengths. The top managers here aren't as good as they were a year ago either, and I'm pretty sure if I check my other leagues it would be the same. I don't count my manager points religiously, and I don't keep a record of them, but I do check them every know and then, and when I got a good win 6 months ago I could expect high teens worth of manager points, now it's hovering around 10 (I don't normally check my losses unless I feel I was unlucky). I figured that was the difference between a stronger side and a weaker one, but now I'm not so sure.

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They took you nightman and you don't belong to them. They locked me in a world of darkness without your sexy hands, and I miss you nightman...sooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaad! Flytta till verst p sidan Mistra [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Mistra] Blev medlem: 2007-08-17 Svar till: Colinzink Skrivet: 2010-09-01 16:16:09 Citera Svara BUUUUMP! Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Mistra Skrivet: 2010-12-07 12:27:03 Citera Svara Dominating bump!

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2011-03-10 12:31:50 Citera Svara Bump reloaded

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2011-03-13 00:11:45 Citera Svara Hasn't been a debate here for over 12 months! So let's start one. Does intellegent have an affect on non-midfield players, if so what?

No lets hope the answer to that isn't somewhere in the rules, and I look like a turnip.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Eve [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Eve] Blev medlem: 2006-01-20 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2011-03-13 00:34:25 Citera Svara Players that are intelligent have a good understanding of the game and are able to read the situations better and find ways to play like no other. An intelligent player can in other words be useful both in the defence and in the offence. Goalkeepers and defenders can ward off chances by reading the opponents intentions. Midfielders and forwards can find smart ways to get around the opponents defence. Ok turnip.....mached or raw As to the sq itself, it's one I'm not that bothered about.

Professor Farnsworth:- Nothing is impossible! Not if you believe in it. That's what being a scientist is all about! Cubert Farnsworth:- No, that's what being a magical elf is all about! - Futurama

Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2011-03-13 01:46:01 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite Hasn't been a debate here for over 12 months! So let's start one. Does intellegent have an affect on non-midfield players, if so what? No lets hope the answer to that isn't somewhere in the rules, and I look like a turnip. When xpert tactics was in operation (new one just created which is why wolfman left) they had teams with just one sq to see how they did. intelligence did the best.

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Basilbrush303 Skrivet: 2011-06-23 21:32:58 Citera Svara Saving Private Fred

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