Robin: Hi everyone

When you can see the chat, let me know

9:00 Maria D.: I can see the chat, Robin
Hello
9:00 Robin: Or edit your login name over on the left and I will know you are here
hi
I am wondering who Guest2184 is
9:00 Maria D.: Ooh, a mystery guest!
I am Maria Droujkova from Cary, NC, USA - the name was too long for the username
here
9:01 Robin: Thanks Maria
first names are okay
9:01 Maria D.: I left a note on the screen in Elluminate that we are on a field
trip
9:01 Robin: I am Robin Angotti from Seattle Washington
Hopefully, they will get here
I was hoping it would be a way to feature a great resource
9:02 Maria D.: There is a webinar on Classroom 2.0 that ends at this time
9:02 Robin: AH
no worries
if it is just me and you and Guest 2184, that is cool also
9:02 Maria D.: But the resource will get featured anyway, exactly
people look at transcripts later
9:02 Robin: I just want to make sure that they can see the chat
In IE it comes up at the bottom but you have to click on it to open it
9:02 Maria D.: is chat persistent? I see an "embed" button
9:03 Robin: it is in FF and google chrome
Hi everyone!
9:03 Maria D.: write a note about the chat
or can I do that?
let me try :-)
9:03 Robin: Either
Okay
The drop.io platform is for synchronous online collaboration
and it allows for large file drops
9:04 The note 'CHAT!' was added
9:04 Robin: I use it for all my course management needs
But it is just our space to meet
we are actually going to talk about building mathematical discourse through
voicethread
9:05 Maria D.: Oh, I just needed a file drop for a project - this will work
9:05 Robin: This is the perfect venue for that
for free you get 100 mb
9:06 Maria D.: Robin, can you talk about your research in general? Where does this
work come from?
9:06 Robin: and you can make it private. Each of my students has their own drop
9:06 Maria D.: You mentioned earlier you had a Math 2.0 project with a grant
9:06 Robin: The recent grant that I recieved comes from the Higher Education
Coordinating board from WA
and is from funds with the Dept of Education
It is a research/service grant to teach teachers how to incorporate new emerging
technologies and dynamic math software
You can watch the video at http://www.uwb.edu/academic/research/robin-angotti
It is a little long though
9:08 Maria D.: People who came in - you can edit your screen name from "guest"
and introduce yourselves
9:09 Robin: And please join the conversation
9:09 Maria D.: Where are you from? What do you do?
9:09 Guest6852 is now known as Dan R
9:09 Robin: Hi Dan
9:10 Maria D.: Hello Dan
9:10 Robin: My worry is that they wouldn't see the bar at the bottom
9:10 Maria D.: I made a note
9:10 Robin: but if they go to VIEW and then chat, they will get her also
Thanks Maria
I see it!
9:10 Dan R: Robin, your grant comes from Higher Education Coordinating board from
WA--the state or the board. And where are you working now?
9:11 Robin: I work at the University of Washington on the Bothell Campus
I also work in conjunction with another HEC board grant on the UW seattle campus
9:11 Guest2650 is now known as mathfaery
9:12 Robin: technically we are all faculty of the UW, just tri-campus, Bothell,
Seattle and Tacoma
9:12 The note 'CHAT - lower right' was added
9:12 Robin: So I work with the teachers in rural eastern Washington
9:12 Dan R: I work for The Math Learning Center in Saelm, OR and we have doen a
lot of work with elementary schools in the NW. We are working on some ideas around
a Math 2.0 world. I'm interested to learn more about your work.
9:12 Robin: to try to connect them to their peers and get their students using
emerging tech (Blogs, wikis, rss feeds, etc)
I have been intrigued by this drop.io site because of its privacy and the
capacity to incorporate all the elements blogs, etc. at once
and connect to facebook and twitter
9:14 Maria D.: how does it connect to FB etc?
9:14 Robin: I would give a presentation, but when I tried it earlier, it made
everyone slow down a little so I am leary of it
It has a realtime feed into FB which updates whenever the page is changed, but I
haven't tried it yet Maria, I haven't had anyone to try it with
I am the only one using it
It you pull down the menu up at the top (About) it show you
Basically, it is a collaborative workspace
for sharing files, information, etc. in real time
but it is connected to the things we use most often FB, Twitter, RSS feeds etc.
I am just trying it out
9:17 Maria D.: Oh I see!
9:17 Robin: I figured this forum might be a good venue for putting it through its
paces
It also includes an email, voicemail etc.
when you use those features, it goes immediately into the workspace
just like your note
There is a very nice intro video that I made a link to
but actually we aren't talking about drop.io
9:18 Guest4735 is now known as DanR
9:18 Robin: it is a cool tool for collaboration, but lots of people last time
asked about Voicethread
so I made a couple just for this presentation
9:19 Maria D.: great! the ones under Links?
9:19 Robin: yes
starting with the one with Video
The link should open in a new window
9:20 Maria D.: should we leave comments?
9:20 Robin: then click on my avatar on the side
if you want to
start by clicking on me and then hearing what I say
then try to leave your own comment
either with typing, voice, video
 use the pen tool also!!
I use this tool often with my methods classes
9:24 Maria D.: I don't think I have a pen tool there
9:24 Robin: We can post a video of a classroom teaching experience and then the
students can watch it for homework and post what they see happening in the video
that THEY notice
9:24 Maria D.: it may be just for creators
9:24 Robin: no it is for everyone
when you hit comment there are some colored circles
click on one of them and that is the color of your pen
After you hit TYPE or the voice
or whatever medium you want to use
9:26 Maria D.: I see the circle, but it's not doing anything for me
9:26 DanR: Do you have to register to use voice thread? I hit comment but see no
pen or tools.
9:26 Maria D.: I think you do, Dan
9:26 Robin: Okay, I have it
because it is a video, hit the record button
even if you don't have a mic
then start the video with the little arrow and you should be able to draw on it
9:27 DanR: When I do it goes to a registration screen. I guess I would need to
sign up.
9:27 Robin: Yeah, you have to register
sorry
9:28 DanR: But I get the point and it's very cool. Similar to what we saw a few
weeks ago with Nib?
9:28 Robin: that is a requirement
even better
it is like camtasia only FREE
Look at the file that has Mathcounts problems and you will see another example
I actually use voicethread for my precalculus classes to do their test reviews
9:29 Guest8630 is now known as Tom Perran
9:29 Robin: everyone has to solve a problem on their own so there is a mad RUSH
when I first post it to get the easy problem
9:29 Maria D.: It's similar to Nib, but different
Hi Tom
9:29 Robin: then also, each person has to respond to someone else
9:30 Tom Perran: Hi Maria, Sorry I'm late!
9:30 Robin: I don't have their permission or I would have show that one
Hi tom
So for you all, I put up some problems from mathcounts
but again, you would have to register
9:30 Maria D.: We are looking at the Mathcounts voice thread now, Tom
you can watch without registering
but it takes registration to leave notes
9:31 Robin: I made these in MS Word, an just uploaded them
it uploads the problems and like I said, in a "real" situation my students each
have to do a problem
they can use video, voice, or typing
or even their cell phones
they have to each DO a problem and then comment on someone elses also
9:32 Maria D.: Interesting page structure
9:32 Robin: they can't do a problem if it is already done
the idea is to have a conversation around an image, words, or video
9:33 Maria D.: I would use this page structure to collect multiple solutions, too
9:33 Robin: exactly Maria
9:33 Tom Perran: How do I get to it,Maria?
9:33 Robin: when you have lots of people commenting, you can get different
viewpoints
9:33 Maria D.: there is the Link section on the page above the chat
and it has Mathcounts voice thread
9:34 Robin: Tom do you just see the chat or do you see the media up above?
9:35 Tom Perran: I don't see any media, just the chat
9:35 Maria D.: Linda (LFS) also offered an example of a voicethread - she could
not make it today so she emailed it to me: http://math247.pbworks.com/5NS2-5
9:35 Robin: Okay, then click on media
9:35 Maria D.: She says there are many comments there
9:35 Robin: and you will see the links
but then at the bottom you can also open the chat at the same time
9:36 Tom Perran: Got it, Thanks!
9:37 Maria D.: To the new person who just came - you can edit your name from
Guest, and we are looking at some VoiceThreads together
e.g. http://math247.pbworks.com/5NS2-5
9:37 Robin: you can see where I just posted a comment on the first page. See the
bulldog
click on it
9:38 Maria D.: I tried to use voicethread at my Math Clubs
9:38 Robin: did it work
9:38 Maria D.: it is a great incentive for kids to tell their "math stories" or to
get them to explain things
as homework, does not work - they never get to it
which presents a problem, because everything ends up under the Natural Math
name, not kids' names.
9:39 Robin: they do if you put the homework on it
9:39 Maria D.: well, we are all voluntary and such, so... different situation
9:39 Robin: and the "doing" the homework is to work through the problems in the
voicethread
ah
so I put up problems and just give them the link
9:40 Maria D.: they only do homework they feel like doing, and registering places
is never it
9:40 Robin: they are responsible as a class for solving them
9:40 DanR: In watching the video, I'm intrigued how many say, "i"m supposed to
flip the fraction and multiply." Not many of them seem to know why.
9:40 Maria D.: Is there a way to put different names on a voicethread done from
one computer?
9:40 Robin: yes, I thought that was intereesting too
the names are from the person signing in
Maria did you mean in creation or posting
9:41 DanR: THere is a conceptual understanding of the need to divide, but it would
be cool to see them think about using a ratio or something.
9:41 Maria D.: Well, there we are, about 10 of us with one computer, making
collective voicethreads taking turns... what's the best way to credit names?
9:41 Robin: I agree Dan. They are just using the procedure
9:42 Maria D.: The only representation accessible is symbolic
9:42 Robin: the best way would be to have them each login with their own avatar
when they are ready to comment
it doesn't ahve to be done synchronously
maybe put up a problem and when a person has a lag time they can get on, login
and answer it
9:42 DanR: I am going to show this to some teachers we are working with. It
certainly allows for a variety of way to look at the problem.
9:42 Robin: especially one with multiple solutions
9:42 Maria D.: Challenge people to come up with a model for fraction division
that's hands-on, and they freeze
9:43 Robin: I love using it in my methods classes
9:43 Maria D.: indeed
9:43 Robin: they all find something different from each video to focus on
9:43 Maria D.: Here is another message from Linda, who could not be here today:
"Thanks for the post. I am sorry I can�t be there tonight (since it will be the
wee hours here), but in case anybody wants another website with Voicethreads and
mathcasts, my brother Tim Fahlberg made over 500 and posted them here:
http://math247.pbworks.com/K-7+Mathcasts+500+Project"
9:44 Robin: As you click on each of their avatars and listen to what they "saw"
when watching the video, you get totally different perspectives
9:44 Maria D.: Robin, are people using this for data collection yet?
9:44 Robin: but they can each watch each others also so they learn from "hearing"
the others perspectives
voicethread?
9:44 Maria D.: yeah
9:44 Robin: or drop.io?
9:44 Maria D.: voicethread
9:44 Robin: I don't think so Maria
I don't think it has dawned on anyone yet
Mostly it is used as a teaching tool for online
9:45 Maria D.: well, you could, for collaborative methodologies where your
subjects conrtibute directly to the study, etc.
9:46 Robin: I use it both as that and as a way to expand the conversation for my
face-to-face class after class. I totally agree with you Maria on the
collaborative methodologies
Like I said, it is great for getting alternative viewpoints.
for some student who don't like to speak up in class, they don't mind posting on
VT because it gives them time to think about a problem
and a feeling of privacy
unlike doing a problem on the board
9:47 Maria D.: wow
did you notice it working like that for "shy" students?
9:47 Robin: for methods, it gives us a chance to watch video and then all have the
same experience
I notice it works BETTER for shy students
9:48 Maria D.: what a gift
9:48 Robin: it is the feeling of a private space in a public venue, much like
myspace or fb
it is what they are used to
they don't mind sharing like that
and I work to make sure that all their comments are valued
9:48 Maria D.: oh, so "scaffolding" by the comment system helps that much then?
how do you do that?
valued, I mean?
9:49 Robin: I acknowledge comments and foster appropriate response techniqes from
other students
they actually THINK about how to say "your wrong" online much more than they
would in class
in class, they just blurt it out, but online, they say stuff like "have you
thought about" or "I wonder if you did it this way what would happpen"
9:50 Maria D.: pause to think is so valuable for math, especially
9:50 Robin: that is exactly what it creates
9:50 DanR: I like too that students are not limited to pencil and paper but
encouraged to explain their thinking verbally.
9:51 Robin: combined with the communication styles of fb and myspace and online
chats
that the students of today thrive on
they can use paper (pen tool) or type or voice or video
whatever they are comfortable with
 different commication tools for different communication styles
9:52 DanR: Voice makes it easy to elaborate on one's thinking.
9:52 Robin: it is an example of what a web 2.0 resource might look like. I agree
dan, I love the voice feature
especially when combined with the pen too
l
So my grant teaches teachers how to incorporate tools like this along with
fathom and geometer's sketchpad
or even both like in the fathom application example
were we are visualizing the inner fence and the 1.5IQR
and I specifically ask them to respond to what they see. My own students were
supposed to respond, but i only told them last night and they don't have class
until next week
so I will get responses about Monday :)
9:55 Maria D.: Robin, how can we follow your work or collaborate in the future?
There is a Geogebra conference and a Math 2.0 unconference in the works - maybe
you can present there
9:56 Robin: I would be glad to
9:56 DanR: RObin, I would like to have your contact info.
9:56 Robin: I have my files for my workshops in wikisites
and my teachers are blogging about the joys and difficulties of incorpating this
in the classroom
9:56 Maria D.: Today's event page is here:
http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/Math+2.0+university+research+grant+work
9:56 Robin: my contact info is rrider@uwb.edu
this conversation will all get saved also
my work phone number is 425-352-3605
9:57 Maria D.: we'll put it on that wiki page I just linked
9:57 Robin: or you can just google Robin Angotti (new name)
9:58 Maria D.: Thank you so much for presenting two excellent platforms, Robin
9:58 DanR: Thanks!
9:58 Robin: Glad to do it
9:58 Maria D.: So many possibilities right away!
9:58 Robin: Looking forward to continuing the conversation
9:58 Tom Perran: I would like to review the conversation and then I may have some
questions.
9:59 Robin: ask away, I am always open to answering
9:59 Maria D.: Thank you for participating, everybody!
9:59 Robin: bye!
9:59 Maria D.: Next few events:
9:59 Tom Perran: Thank you for coordinating this,,Maria!
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