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G     
ary Gomes is the current President ofthe Council of Vedic Astrology. He has been a practicing astrologer since 1990 &has been published in numerous magazines.He teaches Jyotisha through the AmericanCollege of Vedic Astrolgy,Kepler College,and Dirah Academy International. He hasspecial interest in some of the lesserexplored systems of Vedic astrology, such asJaimini and Chandra Kala Naditechniques. He can be contacted forreadings or lessons at crystalx@verizon.netor atwww.crystalexpectations.net
Interview WithC.S.Patel
 
ByGary Gomes, USA
Courtesy: Council of Vedic Astrology,America
 his interview of the Late C S Patelwas published in the CVA Journalin June 2007, 2 months before heleft his mortal coil at the age of 92. Assome special points have been highlightedin this interview conducted by GaryGomes which the Indian audiences wouldnever be able to see hence with thepermission of CVA this is published hereas it is. This interview has a specialmeaning to the student of Mr. Patel wholiaised between CVA & Patel Saheb. Thereason is although Shri Patel had beenfeatured many a times in many magazinesbut he was too keen to see this interview inprint form as if this was his last. Thestudent did receive a scanned copy of theinterview but he wanted to show the actualprinted version to Mr. Patel, somehowthings got delayed in post and it was toolate for Shri Patel to see this. Heincidentally asked his student severaltimes regarding the interview and thestudent was very curious as to why PatelSaheb is so anxious to see the print form,maybe student felt that as most of theworld thought that Mr. Patel is not alive soPatel Saheb wanted the world to know thathe is lonely and still alive. Its only after hewas suddenly no more the student realizedthe meaning of it & it pained him that hecould not fulfill his Gurus wishes, this stillhaunts him.
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Belowis the interview by Gary Gomes, President of CVA.C.S.Patel is well known figure in the field of Vedic Astrology. Now 92, he has been astudent of this science for most of his life and has authored several extremely well receivedbooks on this subject. His books are available from JDR Ventures and other distinguishedIndian and Astrological booksellers.I felt Mr. Patel would be a great subject for the Council of Vedic Astrology Journal becauseof the high regard in which he is held, and also because of his wonderful knowledge of manyof the more unusual techniques in Jyotisha – for instance you will see numerous referencesto the Deva Kerelam/Chandra Kala Nadi, an enormous text which has only been availablein an abridged and disorganized English translation, but which is an immensely importantsource of Jyotisha knowledge. He is also a link to a generation of older astrologers whosepractical and source material knowledge may be lost unless we take special steps to preserveit. Finally, he was also the featured speaker at one of the ACVA conferences, so CVAalready has very strong ties with him.To facilitate the interview, I asked for the assistance of one of his students from Mumbaiwho referred the questions to Mr. Patel, acted as intermediary and added questions andcomments where appropriate. In many ways, this is as much his interview with Mr. Patel asit is mine, so I thought it only fair to credit him. My major contributions were in developingexpressions more understandable to an English–speaking audience, so the interview you areseeing does contain some repetitions, but I wanted to retain the flavor of thecommunication. I did edit out a few terms that I thought would be difficult to follow andrephrased some with my limited knowledge. As Brahmin priests do, I pray to Ganesha forforgiveness of any mistakes I have made in editing. Interestingly enough, when the dustsettled, I found I had 27 questions and responses – one for each of the nakshatras.
 This is a relatively short interview. It was conducted through email with the assistance of Mr. Patel’s family and his student, to whom I am indebted. And of course, I offer my most sincere thanks andpranams to Shri Patel.
Journal
:
 When did you first start studying Jyotish?
Patel
:I started studying Jyotish in August 1945 when I was 30.
Journal
:
 Who were your main teachers?
Patel:
 Before starting study I collected new and second hand books on astrology in Gujarati,English and partly in Marathi. I started studying them slowly. When I found some difficultterms e.g. “Vargottama” I tried to under stand by reading the same page again and again. Incourse of time I came in contact with Mr. C.A.S. Iyer (Co‐ author of my bookAshatakvarga).I used to confirm or modify the meaning of difficult terms. He taught me toprepare astrological chart by “Lankodaya Method”.In course of time I have purchased complete libraries of some old astrologer, who expired.This resulted in getting some rare books, which were written and published before I wasborn. After publication of our book on “Ashatkvarga” in 1957 I started collecting manuscriptsin Sanskrit from various libraries of south India (GMOL Chennai, Oriental Library Baroda,Tanjour, Pune, Patan etc). To study Indian Astrology good hold over Sanskrit is must. Istudied Sanskrit from 4th standard to 11th standard and in my college studied for two years
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but Sanskrit of astrology is simple in contrast to Sanskrit literature. I prepared three diariesrelated to astrological Sanskrit (a) Sanskrit word and meaning (b) Prayay (Synonyms) word(c) Paribhashik (Terminology)This study helped me to interpret each and every word in my own way (It is to be noted)There are two well known ways to denote the number known as Katapayadi Sankhya andArnavadi Sankhya, if one knows the use of these two methods of north and south of numbering only then one can interpret the verses correctly.
[Student’s Comment:
 After watching Shri Patel for such a long time, I feel this has been hisstrength over other authors from south and north, Patel Saheb knows both the systemswhereas most of others know only Katapayadi system. Also I have personally observed PatelSaheb ponder over a shloka for days, just on ‘One’ verse he would at times spend days anddays and finally he would get the hidden meaning, as if a Sage finally communicated to him.I have also observed during my travels that there is no doubt that even Sanskrit scholars allover India have the highest regard for Patel Sahebs translation.
]Journal
:
 How would you recommend a studentto study Jyotisha?
Patel:
 To learn Jyotish, a student must have an ardent desire to learn Jyotisha and not wastetime in reading other books & literature. All his spare time should be given to study thissubject. I advice them to study their horoscope when any incident occurred in their life andto find astrological means for that event in charts of whole family members.
Journal
:
What qualifications should astrologer posses?
Patel:
 An astrologer should have good hold over Sanskrit. Astrological Sanskrit is quite easybut authors have made free use of ‘Paryay’ and ‘Paribhashik’ word.
Journal
:
What preparation would you suggest a student take,to learn Jyotisha?
Patel:
 To learn Jyotish, a student must have an ardent desire to learn Jyotisha, Jyotisha Jyotisha. He should not take interest in any other subject except Jyotisha and whenever helearns something new he should make a note of such matters.
Journal
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Do you think it is essential for a student to engage in spiritual practice to be an effectiveastrologer? What practice would you recommend?
Patel:
 No it is not essential for a student to engage in spiritual practice. He must be pure atheart, having good character and no vices in him and have anobliging nature.
[Student’s Comment:
 There is one thing that one can learn from Patel Saheb which is of highest value ever, he often says ‘For correct predictions, never EVER LIE’ he alwaysrepeats this & today it is so much ingrained in me that even I say cow lies for businessnegotiations it hurts me a lot. I have followed this teaching of Patel Saheb and it WORKS tothe T & phenomenal predictionsensue.
]Journal
:
What texts did you find most useful in your study of Jyotisha?
Patel:
 Brihat Jatak, Parasar Horashastra, Phaldeepika, PrashnaMarga and many more but thefive books most important for Navamsa study are Devakeralam, Dhruv Nadi, VidyaMadhaviyam, PrashnaMarg and Horasara.
Journal
:
You are well known for your study of financial astrology and you have done well financiallyas we understand. Does this financial success come from your study of jyotisha or other factors?
Patel:
 I have made a little held way in financial astrology. Karaka planets (Jupiter for silver)
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