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YOU,

HOPE IT LASTS,

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ADVENTURES OF A REPTILE OF THE PRESS [NETWORKED KNOLEDGE] ....................................................87


15. . 25: THEODORACOPULOS, TAKI. TAKI: GUNTER SACHS MYSTERIOUS EXIT. ..91
16. . 26: GOAD, JIM [MAY 14 2012]. EUROPEAN NATIONALISM: GOLDEN DAWN OR
OLD AND GONE? ................................................................................................................................................94
17. . 27: SAMUELS, KAREEM [OCTOBER 24, 2012]. NOT FIT TO PRINT, THE NEW
SCHOOL FREE PRESS. [NEWSCHOOLFREEPRESS.COM] ................................................................................96
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19. . 29: ALEX LINDER, WIKIPEDIA............................................................................... 100


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TO SEIZE POWER NOTHING ENDS.

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11. . 20: Taki Theodoracopulos, Wikipedia.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Taki Theodoracopulos
Born

August 11, 1936 (age 76)


Greece

Occupation Journalist, publisher, writer


Taki

Theodoracopulos (Greek:

born

August

11,

1936),[1] originally named Panagiotis Theodoracopulos and best known as Taki, is a Greekborn journalist and writer living in New York City, London andSwitzerland. His column "High
Life" has appeared in The Spectator since 1977, and he has also written for other US and UK
publications.
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2002,

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1 Controversies

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3 References

4 External links

Controversies
Taki has been accused of using ethnic slurs by The Guardian, in an article criticizing London
mayor Boris Johnson for employing him[2] and was investigated by Scotland Yard for some of
his racial comments, although no charges were made.[3] In March 2010, Taki wrote in an
article in Chronicles magazine about Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld that "he's a very
homely, simian-looking Jew who couldn't punch his way out of a nursery."[4]
Fraser Nelson, the current Editor of the Spectator, publicly endorsed Taki when taking
up his post in September 2009: "Ah, Taki! For decades it has been traditional for a
new Spectator editor to be inundated with calls to show his commitment to civility by hiring
a new High Life columnist. But this time, not a soul has asked for him to be sacked. All I hear
is how the old rogue has never been in better form. This wont please him much, as he
prides himself on calls for his resignation. But its not that Taki is conforming to the world.
The world, I think, is finally conforming to him."[5]

Bibliography
Books[edit]

Taki Theodoracopulos, "The Greek Upheaval." New Rochelle: Caratzas, 1978.

Taki and Jeffrey Bernard, High Life, Low Life, introduction by Richard West, edited by
Cosmo Landesman. London: Jay Landseman, 1981. ISBN 0-905150-27-9

Taki, Princes, Playboys & High-Class Tarts, foreword by Tom Wolfe, illustrations by Blair

Taki, High Life, selected by Andrew Cameron, illustrated by Michael Heath. London:
Viking, 1989. ISBN 0-670-82956-0

Taki, Nothing to Declare: Prison Memoirs, London: Penguin, 1992. ISBN 0-14-013256-2

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Drawson. Princeton: Karz-Cohl Publishers, 1984. ISBN 0-943828-61-9

Glass, Charles (ed.), Taki: The Spectator Columns, 20012009, London, Quartet,
2010. ISBN 978-0-7043-7192-7

References
1. ^ Spectator.co.uk
2. ^ The Guardian leader October 21, 2004
3. ^ The Independent May 13, 2006
4. ^ Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture: "Sachs of Gold"
5. ^ Fraser Nelson Diary, The Spectator, September 9, 2009

External links

Taki's Magazine

[: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki_Theodoracopulos]

12. . 22: Right Now! (magazine), Wikipedia.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Right Now! was a right wing British political magazine, which ran from 1993 to 2006. The
magazine also featured arts coverage and cultural criticism. It proclaimed itself a magazine
of "politics, ideas and culture".
It was initially edited by Michael Harrison, and then from 1995 until closure by Derek
Turner. Contributing editors included Allan Robertson and Christopher Luke[1] of
the Swinton Circle and Stuart Millson of the Conservative Democratic Alliance.[2] Its origins
lay in the Revolutionary Conservative Caucus and with right-wing members of the Monday
Club.[3]
The magazine featured interviews with and articles by many leading politicians,

Pen, Alain de Benoist, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, Thomas Fleming, Samuel T.
Francis and C. B. Liddell.[citation needed]

Brimelow, Frederick Forsyth, Charles Moore, Garry Bushell, Nick Griffin, Jean-Marie Le

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thinkers and writers. These include Antony Flew, Roger Scruton, Pat Buchanan, Peter

Prominent Conservative politicians who contributed to, or were interviewed by, Right
Now! include Norman Tebbit, Ann Widdecombe, John Redwood, Teddy Taylor, Teresa
Gorman and Bill Cash.[citation needed]
The magazine was mentioned by then Foreign Secretary Robin Cook in 2000 in an
attack on then Conservative Party leaderWilliam Hague's inability to contain "extremists"
within the party; Cook criticised Hague for not shutting the magazine down.[4]
Andrew Hunter, a former Conservative MP who defected to Ian Paisley's Democratic
Unionist Party, was a long time patron of the magazine. Hunter ceased links with the
magazine in 2002, following pressure from Iain Duncan Smith, stating disagreement with an
advert in the magazine for the Conservative Democratic Alliance which was critical of the
Conservative Party.[5]

References
1. ^ Issues 16 (1997) to 38, with Robertson continuing until Issue 46 (2004)
2. ^ from Issue 39 (2003)
3. ^ republished Searchlight article from 1998
4. ^ The Guardian 11 September 2000
5. ^ The Independent 17 May 2002

[: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Now!_(magazine)]

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14. . 24: Whitton, Evan. Taki: For you, I hope it lasts,


Amazing Scenes. Adventures of a Reptile of the Press [Networked
Knoledge]
TAKI'S SURNAME is difficult, but not impossible, to remember; you have to think of it as two
words, Theodora and copulos. Few can make the effort, so this self-styled nouveau poor

achievement.

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little Greek boy is universally known by his Christian name alone. This in itself is an

Taki comes of fine Greek stock. His grandfather, Panaghiotis Poulitsas, was Chief
Justice. In 1946, he was briefly made Prime Minister in order to conduct free and fair
elections. His father, John Theodoracopulos, is into land-owning, industry, and shipping, and
Taki is presumably an heir to a fortune which he claims is in excess of $400 million. But his
father is still around, and his brother, who has the tedium of running the shipping business,
is cool. Taki meantime gets by on journalism and the income from a trust. He claims that
turning 35, and the demise of civilised behaviour and of the nightclub, caused him to retire
as a fully fledged playboy eleven years ago.
But he still pounds the treadmill, nowadays in the cause of social anthropology, and of
biting, in print, the ankles of such of the rich as he deems obnoxious. It seems unfair that
Evelyn Waugh beat him to the title, Vile Bodies; he makes do with 'High Life' in The
Spectator and 'The Fifth Column' in Vanity Fair. What we do for our art: by day, depending
on the season, he does a little skiing, sailing, karate-chopping, tennis. At night, he gambles
at Aspinall's, and hangs around, getting into an occasional fist fight, at Aspinall's, Annabel's,
Regine's and Xenon. The private parties are at Gstaad in winter and New York, Paris and
London in spring, the Riviera in summer and Greece in the autumn.
Indeed, getting busted for cocaine [the Uxbridge magistrates later gave him sixteen
weeks in Pentonville] must seem like succumbing to cliche. In the current Spectator, he
explains his attitude to his recent problem: '... despite the humiliation of having put myself
in the same position as all those cretinous rock stars who habitually get busted, I feel no
self-loathing as yet. And why should I? The harm I did was to myself, someone I've been
abusing for a long time, and whose capacity to take abuse from me is legendary...'
Taki has recently published a version of his memoirs Princes, Playboys, & High-Class
Tarts (Karz-Kohl, New York), with a foreword by the gentleman reporter, Mr Tom Wolfe. He
states: 'Taki's writing has one of the rarest qualities in literature: an original voice. It is his
own which is to say, it is loud, direct, headlong, funny, and arresting.'
Aristophanes's successor as the great master of Greek comedy was having a hit in a
charity tournament at the Queen's Club. He wore his hair short and his shorts long, and he

bit grey. Years before, at age 18, Taki's father had offered him a choice: either to continue at

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university or to work on one of his ships or in one of his factories. But, Taki asks, once they

looked a little like Tyrone Power except that Power died, aged 45, before he started to go a

have seen Paris, how can you keep them down on the farm? 'I took the easy way out and

ran away to Florida. Once there I began hustling tennis. My fascination with the rich began
in Palm Beach. The rich would look good while hitting the ball, but would never sweat. Nor
would they try too hard, no matter how much money we had wagered.'
The old hustler, now 46, was partnering the veteran South African hippy, Ray Moore,
in a doubles match, and they won effortlessly. Taki's feet stuttered a bit, but in the short
exchanges, his reflexes were fine, particularly for a man who, on his own account, rarely
goes to bed before dawn; and in the long game he managed to keep the ball in play, until
Moore closed out the point. 'I used to be very quick and get everything back,' he told me
later. 'I was one of the first retrievers, with top spin on both sides.'
This was at his London place, an airy, book-lined ground-floor flat in Chelsea's Egerton
Gardens. The flats are red brick terraces, built in a sort of circle around a garden, so
everyone has a nice view of a bit of grass. 'I lost all my money four years ago,' he said.
'Number 11 didn't come up. Now, as you can see, I live in a hovel.' A paragon of good
manners, he apologised profusely for being unable to offer me coffee.. the maid was out
and he had never mastered the machine.
His voice is deep and rich and, at times, very, very angry, especially when people of
the Left cross his mind. One imagines that the onward march of socialism is not the most
gratifying of thoughts to anyone with expectations of a slice of $400 million. But there are
other reasons. One suspects, for instance, that he has never forgiven Mr John F. Kennedy for
some particularly sharp practice during the 1960 campaign, and not only for the fact that he
had Chicago's Mayor Daley steal the election for him.
'Every young lady whom I knew around town was a volunteer for JFK's campaign. Not
that they were Democrats. Far from it, in fact in most cases. Girls who speak as if their jaws
were wired tight are not usually Democrats. I was furious. Not only was JFK better looking
than I, but he'd stolen my natural constituency of fascists...'
He produced a copy of his book. 'I wanted to call it Temps Perdue,' said the new
Aristophanes, shooting for the Proustian echo; 'but the guy said that would sell 2,000
copies. He was right - it's sold 28,000.' The jacket is likewise a grabber. It has a drawing of a

cigarette, not a bit like Taki,

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man in a borsalino hat, pulled down low, very sinister, with a sharp moustache, pulling on a

'Beautiful, isn't it?' he said. 'A bookshop put a pile in the window and asked me to
come along. There were 7,000 there, wanting to see me, for heaven's sake. I was
embarrassed.'
I asked him how he became a writer.
'I stopped playing tennis in '65-'66; my marriage broke up; I loathed business; Arnaud
de Borchgrave, of Newsweek, asked me to go to Vietnam as his photographer.
'In those days, adventurous girls who wanted to get laid went to Vietnam; fools like us
went looking for adventure; no wonder no one won that war. The photography was good; I
had some pictures printed in Newsweek and Paris Match, but there was more to it than
that. At night I tried to put my thoughts into writing. William F. Buckley asked me to be a
roving correspondent, at low pay, in the war zone.
'This led eventually to reporting in the Middle East and then Alexander Chancellor, out
of the blue, gave me that goddamned column in The Spectator, and its been going since
1977.
'I have a house in New York with my second wife (formerly Alexandra SchoenburgHartenstein). We had children first, and then got married. It's the modern thing to do - at
least you see the product before you buy it.'
He showed me a picture of a couple of nice-looking young children. 'Their mother is an
Austrian countess.'
After this diversion, Taki got back to his writing career. 'Clay Felker brought me on
to Esquire. It was doing badly. He said: --- Can you write a story that will give us some
publicity?"'
I had the idea to do the greatest bachelor in the world; the one the most girls go after,
and I found him. He was 82 years old. Mind you, he had five hundred million dollars, and his
name was William Paley (chief stockholder of the CBS television network). I didn't name all
the girls who were going after him, but in that sophisticated society, everyone recognised
them, and it was talked about for weeks.'
Taki's account goes like this: 'The most aggressive pursuer is a lady, more of a tramp

'As a matter of fact, the band of pursuing ladies is known among the cognoscenti as
The Fish. Jackie Onassis and her sister, both aspirants, are called The Barnacle Sisters. (Paley,

Barbra Streisand. Among the Paley crowd, she is known as The Blowfish.

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really, and a recent silicone-set recruit. A seasoned hunter, she looks like a blonde version of

however, is reportedly not interested in either sister as they have each lost two husbands;
he is superstitious.)
'Another (married) contender, for one brief moment a heavy favourite, is The Piranha;
while Helene Rochas, the Paris-based owner of Rochas perfumes, is simply The Shark.
'Another French lady went to the most extraordinary lengths of all: she had her face
and entire body lifted. She is now rumoured to sleep standing up so the silicone won't shift.'
Felker lost the magazine, but the new owners kept Taki on. Then, last October, there
was some trouble about a man, 'an elongated drug clerk', that he wanted to write about,
but Esquire jibbed. He said: 'Listen, you can't tell me...' Tina Brown took over Vanity Fair and
he moved to them. 'Pour vous, que ca dure,' Taki said hopefully. 'I hope it lasts. Thats what
Napoleon's mother used to say when they'd tell her one of her sons had been made an
emperor or a king.
I certainly don't support myself by my journalism. I could support my wife and
children. I make about 50 grand a year. But my excesses are supported out of the trust fund.
'It's not very important writing; it's not going to change the world. I just write essays, if
you have to say it, on the collapse of standards.'
10 August 1984

[: http://netk.net.au/Whitton/Amazing11.asp]

15. . 25: Theodoracopulos, Taki. Taki: Gunter Sachs


mysterious exit.

Why would a German playboy-billionaire industrialist with a large family and lots of old and
good friends have dinner in Gstaad with one of his closest buddies, then go up to his chalet
and put a bullet in his brain? The New York Times says Gunter Sachs had been diagnosed
with an incurable degenerative disease, but I dont think that fully explains his suicide.

St Tropez, where he had opulent houses. Gunters father was also an industrialist and was
probably richer than the Opels. Fritz von Opels son Rikky blew his share while Gunters side

Fritz von Opel, was the heir to the Opel car fortune and lived the grand life in St Moritz and

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Gunter was always somewhat mysterious. I knew him since the late 50s. His maternal uncle,

multiplied it. But his father did commit suicide, so escaping the claustrophobia of life and
old age was in Gunters genes.
Gunter and I hung out together a lot during the early 60s in Paris. His close friend
Jean-Claude Sauer was a Paris Match photographer who was also a buddy of mine. But after
a year or two we went our own ways. Gunter loved to have a crowd with him at all times.
He was extremely generous and gave nonstop parties, and his closest friends were not
necessarily rich or famous. His friends were his life, even more than the women he collected
nonstop. He married Brigitte Bardot after a brief courtshipI have a tiger in my bedhe
once told me, paraphrasing the gasoline ad campaign at the time. But he soon wandered off
with some prettier models. La BB needed too much attention, something Gunter was not
about to provide. His brother Ernst was killed skiing; he was a daredevil, as was Gunter, who
raced the Bob as well as the Cresta in St. Moritz. His chalet was 100 yards as the crow flies
from mine in Gstaad, and he owned houses all over the place: St. Tropez, St. Moritz,
Munich, Paris, you name it. His firstborn son Rolf lives in London and is very much in control
of the Sachs conglomerate.
Gunters outward behavior was one of gaiety and fun. His marriage to Bardot had put
him firmly in the paparazzis sights, and for forty some-odd years he was photographed
always with a bevy of young blonde models and actresses. Yet his last marriage to a Swede
lasted over forty years, a fact that left many of us wondering. If there ever was an open
marriageon Gunters side, that isthis was it. Gunter was not known as a soft touch, but
he had a very good heart and was always there for those who needed help. Not many socalled playboys follow Christian teachings of helping out their fellow man.
Back in the 60s, just after the film Goldfinger appeared starring Sean Connery, Gunter
had the idea to make a spoof of the James Bond movie starring Porfirio Rubirosa as Bond, a
Greek billionaire as Goldfinger, and myself as Oddjob. We filmed for three days in St.
Tropez, but then a storm blew away all our props. During the famous fight scene between
Bond and Oddjob, Rubirosa swung a rifle which hit my elbow full force, breaking my funny
bone. The Creole, on which we were filming, went aground, and Gunter got bored and took

and as it so often happens, we reminisced too much.

about the girl. For years afterward Gunter and I would laugh about that disastrous week,

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off with one of my girlfriends, a Chanel model. My elbow hurt too much for me to care

So why does a man such as Gunter kill himself? They say that life gets much of its
meaning from the fact that it ends. They also say that humans are animals, with no special
destiny or future. Old age confirms such pessimism. There is no question in my mind that
Germans tend toward depression. They are too romantic, too inwardly torn according to
Hlderlin, their greatest poet. Although I know nothing of his motives for taking his life, I
would say it was a fear of getting very old, coupled with the fact that he spent his life
surrounded by youth, and when one gets too old one becomes a comic figure next to the
young. And when one survives their old friends, they have to make new ones, and thats a
bore.
I was not a close friend of Gunters but we had partied together, had shared women,
and had so many common close friends, I was truly shocked to hear of his death. He never
harmed anyone, never spoke badly of people, and had a kind of craziness that was lovable.
So why did the wrong kind of billionaire kill himself? There are so many others who would
be doing a service to humanity by topping themselves. The list is much too long for this
space. Rest in peace, dear Gunter; you brought much happiness to many people, and there
is no better compliment in life or death.

Taki Theodoracopulos, better known as Taki, is a journalist and writer, living in Gstaad,
London, and New York. His column High Life has appeared in The Spectator for the past 25
years, and he has also written for National Review, the London Sunday Times, Esquire,
Vanity Fair, the New York Press, and Quest Magazine, among others. In 2002 Taki founded
The American Conservative magazine with Pat Buchanan and Scott McConnell, and he is also
publisher of the British magazine Right Now! Taki has been writing for GstaadLife since its
first season in 2003/4. More of his musings can be foundhere.

Saturday May 14, 2011 |

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[: http://www.gstaadlife.com/2011/05/taki-gunter-sachs-mysterious-exit.html]

16. . 26: Goad, Jim [May 14 2012]. European Nationalism:


Golden Dawn or Old and Gone?
That same quietly genocidal 2000 document targets right-wing extremist violence but
makes no mention of the idea that left-wing extremist violence has ever existed. It claims
that contemporary nationalism is based on obsolete and destructive ideas of
homogeneity which foster division and racial hostility and that Europe must divest itself of
the idea of a white core culture and redefine nation to mean the community within the
jurisdiction of the state.
In other words, the softly totalitarian EU gets to dictate what Europe is rather than,
say, indigenous Europeans. And Europe is now clearly a decade-old currency called the
euro rather than the landmass that has hosted indigenous Europeans for tens of thousands
of years. And if you dare to question any of this, you obviously suffer from a fresh new
mental illness known as Europhobia. Kindly forget that the EU is headquartered in Belgium,
a nation rapidly falling apart due to ethnic incompatibility between the Flemish and the
Walloons.
None of this is meant to imply that Greeces Golden Dawn party doesnt play the role
of fascist street goons con mucho gusto. Their well-muscled henchmen are known for
physically attacking illegal immigrants, leftists, and the occasional journalist. Their latest TV
ads focused on deporting illegal immigrants and urged indigenous Greeks to help them get
rid of the stench. Their party flag resembles a swastika in the process of unraveling, and
they flash one another the Roman salute with an enthusiasm unseen on European soil since
the 1940s. Their party charter states that only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can
be candidate members, and their leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos served prison time for
possessing explosives.
Yet the ancient Greek nation once suffered under nearly four hundred years of
Ottoman occupation and has recently been flooded with predominately Muslim immigrants
who, according to various estimates, suddenly comprise anywhere from 10 to 20 percent of

These days, hyper-centralized agencies such as the EU seem to protect indigenous

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rights for everyone except indigenous Europeans while condemning colonialism except

the total population.

when it comes to the demographic colonization of Europe.

Is it possible that the globalist mantra is wrong and that multiculturalism leads to
conflict rather than harmony?
Only a detached leftist academic would think that in a time of economic depression,
mass immigration of mostly unassimilable and often culturally hostile foreigners would help
the working class rather than harm it. Only a deluded leftist ideologue or a mediabrainwashed useful idiot would keep scratching their head at the persistently stubborn
resurgence of nationalism without pausing to ponder that perhaps tribalism is an
ineradicable human instinct rather than a sinister psychological aberration.
In last weeks elections, Golden Dawn performed best in crime-addled areas of central
Athens, gaining up to a quarter of the vote in some precincts. What could those voters
possibly know that might escape some faraway Brussels Eurocrat in their cramped grey
hypoallergenic cubicle?
What about reports that in some areas, Golden Dawn serves as a Robin Hood
agency that provides clothing and food for vulnerable Greek nationals? Is it true that in
certain Athenian quadrants, imperiled Greeks are more likely to call in Golden Dawn for
physical protection before theyd ever call the police? Is it possible that some Greeks feel
that only Golden Dawn cares about their survival and is willing to shed blood to ensure it?
Although media outlets cast a harsh spotlight on Golden Dawns immigrant-bashing,
they dont focus nearly so much attention on their fervid criticism of global loan sharks,
bailout dictators, and international speculators who are selling us out and looting the
sweat of the Greek people.
For some Greeks, it seems to have come down to a choice between Golden Dawn and
Goldman Sachs. Why should they vote for us? asked party leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos.
Because they have nothing better.

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17. . 27: Samuels, Kareem [October 24, 2012]. Not Fit to


Print, The New School Free Press. [Newschoolfreepress.com]
Taki Theodoracopulos is a modern-day aristocrat. The shipping heir and conservative media
mogul is affable, genteel and tanned. He is a fixture at black tie parties and a member-bymarriage of Austrian royalty. His waves and paparazzo and chit-chat with Manhattan elites
often grace the New York Posts Page Six. His wit is swift, but his political views raise

(Takis Mag)

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eyebrows even quicker.

Theodoracopulos startedTakis Magazine also known as TakiMag in February 2007,


as a self-described platform for light-hearted online political content. But liberals and
conservatives alike have called his commentaries racist. For example, in a 1997 column
for The American Spectator, he referred to New Yorks Puerto Rican population as a bunch
of semi-savagesfat, squat, ugly, dirty, dusky, and unbelievably loud. And he openly
considers himself a soi-disant [so-called] anti-Semite.
Theodoracopulos is a different beast compared to the average mans definition of a
conservative. He is unapologetic about his wealth and equally guiltless about his
controversial choice of words. He isnt the populist Tea Partier, vexed by Obamas change.
He is not the family-values Republican that Americans saw in the form of Michele Bachmann
and Rick Santorum. He is the rancorous one-percenter, the spectre that haunts the minds
of Occupiers everywhere.
The Free Press asked Theodoracopulos to discuss his magazine, career and personal
life, and he declined on numerous occasions. But the friends who claim to know him best
have shared their thoughts on the conservative publisher.
Many associates describe him as an adventurous husband and businessman, and his
surname has done little to hinder his successes. He is the son of former Olympic rowing gold
medalist John Theodoracopulos and grandson of late Greek judge Panagiotis Poulitsas. And
he has been in an open marriage with Austrias Princess Alexandra Schoenburg-Hartenstein
since 1981.
I dont think he would hurt a fly, said Peter Brimelow, founder of conservative
website VDARE.com, Takiscontributor and a close friend of Theodoracopulos, told the Free
Press. Except through infidelity, of course.
Theodoracopulos and his wife have raised two children together, daughter
Mandolyna, 35, and son John-Taki, 31. Following contact attempts to all four family
members, only Mandolyna agreed to comment. She describes her father as a normal
person who regrets not having lived in the 17th century.
Theodoracopulos foray into journalism began in 1967, when he covered the Vietnam

columnist for The Spectator, a London weekly magazine. He co-founded The American

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Conservative with Pat Buchanan in 2002 and was the publisher of Right Now!, an English

War for National Review. He gained notoriety ten years later, as a high society gossip

political magazine that circulated from 1993 to 2006.

TakiMag is a far cry from the libertarian Tea Party movements that have populated
cable news since 2010. Far-right contributors like Pat Buchanan and white nationalist Jared
Taylor post frequently. Vice magazine veterans Jim Goad and Gavin McInnes joined in April
2009. This past June, the latter wrote an article entitled The Turd World, declaring that,
Muslims are simply way behind us. Theyre merely slower than us retarded, if you will.
Following the death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin in March, yet another contributor
faced racism allegations. FormerNational Review columnist and TakiMag contributor John
Derbyshire posted his article, The Talk: Nonblack Version, to the website on April 5. The
titular talk mocks conversations in which black family members warn one another against
being racially profiled in public. Derbyshire advises his own children not to act the Good
Samaritan to blacks in apparent distress and to avoid concentrations of blacks not all
known to you personally.
Both liberal and conservative members of the media lambasted the article. Even
Derbyshires own colleagues atNational Review criticized his writing. Not only was it baldly
racist; it was, of all things, dumb, wrote Daniel Foster, one of the magazines columnists, in
a piece entitled A Very Long Post About John Derbyshire.
National Review editor-in-chief Rich Lowry remarked in an April 7 editorial that The
Talk: Nonblack Version was so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation.
And with that, Derbyshire was excommunicated from the conservative print mainstay.
But despite the controversy or perhaps because of it Derbyshires writing career
continues on Takis. His September 6 article, White People Are Pussies, criticizes white
Americans and Europeans for not aggressively preserving their heritage and protecting their
homeland.
Brimelow said that American leftists are too sensitive regarding racial issues. The
American Left [has] very emotional people who go off the stick at first hint of political
incorrectness, he said. Everything John wrote can be defended on the basis of truth and
was provoked by utterly outrageous claims that blacks are in danger from whites in modern
America.

extends beyond black and white issues, according to New York Observer writer Drew Grant,

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who has long covered the socialite publisher. She told the Free Press that, during an

For Theodoracopulos and most other TakiMag contributors racial commentary

interview with Theodoracopulos, he openly referred to the Saudi royal family as

towelheads and slandered Jewish people. Once Grant told Theodoracopulos that she was
Jewish herself, he attempted to smoothen the infraction. He can kind of say these things
and youre not even noticing that hes saying something so highly offensive.
Mandolyna insists that writers at Takis Magazine are not racist. Just because there
are more football and basketball players that are black than there are black Nobel Prize
winners, and we happen to point this out, does not make us racist, she said. Just good
reporters.

With reporting by Niko Nelson & Harrison Golden

[: http://www.newschoolfreepress.com/2012/10/24/not-fit-to-print/]

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[Red Against the machine]

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Savvas Gridlock 21:32 | 11-07-2012

19. . 29: Alex Linder, Wikipedia.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alex Linder
Alex Linder (born 1966) is the owner and operator of
the Vanguard News Network (VNN), an antisemitic, white
supremacist website[1] which he launched in 2000. VNN is
one of the most active white supremacist sites on the
Internet, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).
Its motto is "No Jews. Just Right." Linder espouses
numerous Nazi sentiments, among them that "the thing to
be done about [the Jews] is to kill them, exterminate them, get rid of them. You don't argue
or reason with a cockroach; you step on it."[2]
Contents
[hide]

1 Background

2 Criminal history

3 Political life

4 The Aryan Alternative

5 References

6 External links
Background
According to the ADL, Linder has said he was raised an "upper-middle-class suburban kid".
The ADL reports that he graduated with a bachelor's degree from Pomona
College in Claremont, California, in 1988, then worked as a researcher forCNN on
the Evans & Novak political show, and then at The American Spectator.[1]

linked to the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom murder case in Knoxville,
Tennessee that attracted 30 supporters, around 60 counterprotesters, and 300 law
enforcement officers. Linder fought with police and was the only arrest.[3][4] Linder was

On May 26, 2007 Linder organized what has been described as a "racially charged protest"

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Criminal history

charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, vandalism and assault on a police officer.
He was placed on six months probation and ordered to pay restitution to the police officer
he assaulted.[5]

Political life
Linked

to

the Politics

and

elections series

and part of the Politics series on


Neo-Fascism
Core ideas[show]
Varieties[show]
Origins[show]
Movements and parties[show]
People[show]
History[show]
Related topics[show]
Fascism

portal

Politics portal
Linder is an ex-member of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi, white-nationalist group. He left
after deciding to allow criticism of the National Alliance to appear on the VNN forums.[1]
The ADL claims that in January 2005, Linder announced his intention to set up the White
Freedom Party, stating it was "America's first political party advocating Aryan interests and
specifically naming the Jew as the agent of white genocide and greatest obstacle to our
people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected people." It threatened to "WAGE
NONSTOP WAR [sic] on the Jews, coloreds, and mainstream sellouts ...".[1] Lacking financial

In 2004, Linder began publishing a tabloid newspaper called The Aryan Alternative. There
have been four issues that have been published so far as of July 2010the first issue was

The Aryan Alternative

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backing, the "White Freedom Party" is currently dormant.

published in mid-2004. The most recent issue as of July 2010 (#4) was published in mid2009. The newspaper is distributed for free, but donations for it are solicited online.[6] In
articles he has written for the The Aryan Alternative newspaper, Alex Linder claims that the
Jews have been and are consciously engaged in a conspiracy that is implementing a
systematic program of genocide to totally eradicate and exterminate the Aryan race.[7]

References
1. ^ a b c d Alex

Linder/Vanguard

News

Network

(VNN),

Anti-Defamation

League. Archived 20 December 2010 at WebCite


2. ^ [1]
3. ^ "Police arrest organizer at 'rally against genocide'", Knoxville News Sentinel, May
27, 2007 Archived September 17, 2007 at the Wayback Machine
4. ^ "White supremacist arrested at Downtown rally", WBIR-TV, May 26,
2007 Archived 20 December 2010 at WebCite
5. ^ [2]
6. ^ Web page from which to download PDFs of the published issues of the
newspaper The Aryan Alternative: Archived 20 December 2010 at WebCite
7. ^ ADL Report on Alex Linder: Archived 20 December 2010 at WebCite

External links

Vanguard News Network

Southern Poverty Law Center Profile

"Interview with Alex Linder of the Vanguard News Network: Jewish journalist interviews
leading anti-Jewish activist",Global Politician, October 11, 2007

[: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Linder]

Thursday, April 11, 2013 - 12:40

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20. . 30: Misiakas, G. [April 11, 2013]. And to seize power

Posted by Alex Linder [Administrator]. Join Date: Nov 2003. Posts: 28,580. Blog Entries: 2.

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elnewsgr.blogspot.gr The idea is to achieve the objective: The objective is to win the war
and not just a few battles.
GOLDEN DAWN is the link between theory and practice. Retrieved from the depths of
the soul of the Greeks located dormant national consciousness.
Ideology without policy action is sterile fetishism. Politics without ideology is cheap
opportunism.The black jerseys illustrate that we like each other, Civil Defense Soldiers in an
Immortal Idea. Whoever can see through the black color will distinguish the Securities of the
Golden Dawn.

Our accusers will soon collapse under their own impasse immorality and
incompetence.

mizadorous, lamogia.

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We say "Nazis," "fascists," "racists" because they can not tell us thieves, cheats,

Which is why I think the Ideology of the Golden Dawn is the only one that promotes
national consciousness?
That's because the Golden Dawn is the most consistent and stable expression of the modern
Greek nationalism. Giving her credentials, through the example of everyday thought and
action, the Golden Dawn is the link between theory and practice. Thereby promoted the
National Ideal as a key element of the existence of the Greeks and therefore retrieved from
the depths of the soul situated dormant national consciousness, which forge even more.

Do you think that the world now has the composure that will enable him to understand
the ideology of the Golden Dawn, as currently formulated?
Rightly or wrongly, our ideology is presented by every kind of the mainstream media
completely distorted, with the obvious purpose to affect the Greek people about the true
content of what embrace. Therefore, one of the highlights of our ideological and political
propaganda is to break this conspiracy of misinformation and smear against us, presenting,
with whatever means we have the reality to the people. Both the election result of May and
June, and the rapid growth occurring after the election, an indication that more and more
Greeks, free from haze of the past, interested, know, identify with the Golden Dawn, with
what it expresses.

What would you change if you were making governance and especially if you, for
example, commits the Department of Education?
Everything! To build, you must first be demolished. The current metapoliteftiko rotten
regime can be likened to a crumbling building. Rebels We are not reformers. So we will seek
a radical change in all key sectors with a view to gradually building a nation state. About the
Ministry of Education, we believe that nurturing the youth should focus on a clearly
ethnocentric orientation. Indeed, the textbooks should be changed. This, however, should

political bosses. Today's vile and disgusting books that promote the most brazenly profane
denationalisation must literally be thrown in the trash, which form the natural site and

and ethnomidenistes type Repoussi, Dragona, Koulouris, Fragoudaki, Veremi and their

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be made to the completely opposite direction than that demanded by various anti-Greek

replaced by others, which will cultivate patriotism, honor, dignity, religious feelings,
knowledge of the historical truth.

Finally-the fact is that anyone who has the worker has the people, and whoever has the
people, is the state. It seems that the battle with the Communist Party is in favor of the
Golden Dawn for supremacy in consciousness of the labor movement. What are your
differences with the Communist Party?
First, the Communist Party has never had Greek Workers with him. It can be seen (wrongly,
very poor fashion) as party of the Greek working class, but never actually was, even at
minimum. Especially the last time do not keep up appearances, coincident consciously
Pakistani, Afghan, and other bagklantesianous them illegal immigrants, against Greek
workers and the unemployed. As to our differences with the Communist Party, we might
wonder if there are similarities. We are Nationalists, while those internationalists. We
believe that the homeland can not proletarians (impoverished) and the Communist Party
believes that the proles have no country. We believe in a National-Popular State Socialism a
Higher Culture, Hierarchical, meritocracy, Patriotic content, while the Bolsheviks in a
devastating, inhuman and anti-national of a misnomer. We are revolutionaries, while they
gear system, forming the left of alibi. Therefore, our paths do not ever encountered
anywhere.

Must-one is going to "hidden" ways to achieve this great purpose? Ie to keep a defensive
stance until the moment of victory?
When we write or shout "Long live the VICTORY!" Do not mechanically or by habit or cheap
sensationalism. We do so because we intend to win! This means that "the end justifies the
means' in order to achieve our goal. Neither compromised or pseftoepanastates. Neither
politikantismos or fetishism of symbols. The idea is to reach the target and not the crappy
sure a dubious, if not unreliable and mentally sick, "purists". Let us not forget that it is

The Greek Nationalism can be compared with the nationalism of other countries? Because
we History and Culture of a lead?

and not a short 100 meter race.

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important to win the war, not one or a few battles. Politics, rightly or wrongly, is a marathon

The Greek Nationalism entirely and exclusively to the Greek Nationalists. They can study,
discuss, agree or disagree on individual points around the nationalism of other countries in
any way but can not identify with them, whether in the past or in this regard. Greece,
anyway, is what is most precious to world history and culture, so it is obvious that there is
no benchmark for what we have done to humanity, even in the field of nationalism. Even
the fact that the Golden Dawn is now a standard of conduct and racing action for all almost
the nationalist forces in the whole white world, does not mean in any way that we need to
copy us, or that we are an export product, but the strength, the courage, the inspiration to
continue their struggle in their own countries.

Not so day not blame Golden Dawn by parliament and the media that her real ideology is
strongly related to Nazism and fascism. You can hit the Movement to such arguments?
The "categories" of all kinds opponents, besides not the product of thorough study and
temper of contemporary political and social reality and therefore are monotonous and
tedious graphs have a particular structure: focus on supposedly political arguments and
characterizations like " Nazis, "" fascists, "" racists "because we can not criticize anything,
from a moral standpoint. D that can tell us thieves, cheats, mizadorous, lamogia. Therefore,
over time, our accusers will collapse under their own impasse immorality, as well as the
subsequent inability to offer solutions to the enormous problems which they themselves
have created. So it is impossible to cause us serious problems both to intercept us.

We see our church is divided into two camps, in terms of the Movement of the Golden
Dawn. Some priests believe that the Golden Dawn has nothing to do with Orthodoxy and
simply has unveiled a "trick" to a better election result. What do you answer on this?
Some priests have nothing to do with Orthodoxy as a key component of the course of the
Greek Nation. Rasoforoi who are offended by the patriotic action of the GOLDEN DAWN
epanellinopoiisi for the location, but corked for anti-national and anti-Christian propaganda

Izmir, etc. (If) priests who say they prefer atheists from Chrysafgites is simply ridiculous and
ecumenical, shaming the national status of Orthodoxy. Personally my cause disgust, nausea

the past such Papaflessas , Samuel, German Karavangelis the Emilianos Grevena Chrysostom

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of the left, not only disgracing the vestments they wear and their shape, but also priests of

and aversion. I do not care which atoms the deadlock by employing the unacceptable
actions. hence there is no excuse for what they commit.

Many argue that Greece is living a new Weimar base ... Has this or is this another game
system?
We can not know where it will end. But we can act to increase the chances to lead to where
we want. As for the Weimar-dense often come out and worried that our critics, perhaps
more to know, and judging from the ending, which had this pale imitation of "German"
democracy

...

What do the black tops of the Golden Dawn and what you need to know what you choose
to wear?
The black jerseys illustrate that we like each other, Civil Defense Soldiers in an Immortal
Idea. Whoever can see through the black color will distinguish the values for which we strive
We Chrysafgites, Men and Women. Nation, Race, Price, Faith, Duty, War Virtue, Social
Solidarity among consanguineous, Pride, Cultural Renaissance. Symbolize also an internal
discipline and a respect towards Metaphysical dead comrades in our timeline, all who
fought for the glory of Hellenism throughout the centuries. Impels us to create, through our
struggles, a Greece which really belongs to the Greeks by genus. We fight for the
Generations of Tomorrow.

When you consider that the Golden Dawn will arrive at Nike?
Nikos Kazantzakis said: "Do not condescend to ask:" will win? Defeated? "Fight!" To get to
the final victory prevails Race. Even to seize power, nothing is finished. A new series of
games we expect to beat them too. Since then, keeping some goods are much more difficult
than acquiring them, so we are not complacent and ever. We are not interested in a piece of
pie, or even the whole pie. We want the whole bakery that produces it! Ie, we are not

sick psyche and inferiority complexed applicable to them. We, the People Will
overwhelming for us, we want to consolidate the power to be able to develop without
setbacks, the ideological and political platform for the establishment of a truly Greek

corruption, decay and decadence. These let in Liguria power, type SYRIZA, the bottomless

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simply interested to remain in parliament or to govern transient, embedded in the system of

government, where the National Independence, Social Justice and Democratic Prosperity
not will be grandiose expressions without substantive content, but a triumphant reality a
GOLDEN DAWN Hellenism!

What is your ideological message you want to give to those who already have a position in
the movement but also to those who will follow in the future?
Political ideology without practice is sterile fetishism. Politics without ideology is cheap
opportunism. For us, therefore, the nationalism of GOLDEN DAWN, the CHRYSAFGITISMOS,
an attitude and lifestyle. This, however, must be permanent and not temporary. This applies
to everyone, inside and outside "the walls" yesterday, today, tomorrow, always! Respect the
assessment, the admiration of all kinds "decorations" Nationalism is not obtained "off" and
do not apply in perpetuity. Such positive qualities, "decorations", each day or the honors or
messy, depending on the quality of content operations. Nobody, no matter what to do,
somewhere and sometime, not to rest on laurels of a distant or near past. Nobody can
constantly traveling with an expired ticket, based on memories of past years or months.
History teaches us that one can easily become the opposite of what is supposed to espouse.
This time, this great, Omniscient and Infallible Judge of all things true and deifies exposing
their phony. And because, as he says, and the popular adage "the sterna commemorating
the first", so to everyone who says nationalist-much more, no, Chrysafgitis-the fullness of
time that we are or will amply justify or humiliate him perfectly. GOLDEN DAWN FOR A NEW
WAY OF LIFE! LONG LIVE THE VICTORY!

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22. . 32: Conversation with Alex Linder. [The White


Network. Whites Talking to Whites about White Interest]
Feb. 9, 2013
The Golden Dawn party in Greece is presently the primary
interest for Alex Linder of VNN Forum. Our conversation
started and ended with it, but in between he also talked
about Anders Breivik, the gun control legislation Obama is
trying to pass, and infighting in the movement how it
should and shouldnt be done. Some of the points made:

Why a nationalist party could gain success in

Only young men will carry out a revolutionary movement;

Must say clearly that we are White and want what is good for Whites;

Begin organizing from national conditions or on a state or regional basis?;

How much individualism can be tolerated in a political party manifesto;

Sandy Hook and Gun Control planned or accidental;

Alexs thread on Strategy.

An email from Paul and a phone call from Stuart added to the show. Missed an email from
Stuart telling me the militias are alive and well, see here. Sorry about the abrupt closing
my fault.
Podcast: Download

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Greece, but not elsewhere in Europe or the U.S.;

48 Comments

48 Responses

1. Carl
February 9, 2013 at 5:11 pm
I have long felt that the best way to protect an emergent organization from Jews is
to incorporate rejection of the Holocaust directly into the organization itself, such as
bylaws, and even activities, such as ongoing education of members. And of course
naming the Jew as appropriate, not just babbling its the Jews but intelligently
outlining the pernicious racial influence in clear terms. Any tip-toeing around those
things is a dead giveaway of ultimate ineffectiveness.
Any Whites who dont want to start putting their name and face out there should
start to exercise both body and mind. Watching niggerball and playing video games are
bad habits.
Non-whites swarm in defense of their honor. This will be a problem. The streets
are often theirs already because we are busy and less swarm-oriented.
2. Hadding
February 9, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Political compromise falls under very different considerations in a country with
proportional representation, like Germany or Greece, than in the U.S. system. Its much
easier under proportional representation for a party to be honest and still win some
representation in the government.
Even so, Hitler did ultimately compromise on economics in order to keep the
support of nationalist rich, reducing Gottfried Feders prominence and influence. (The
compromise created a division in the party culminating in the Night of the Long Knives.)

necessary compromise of principle.

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A few years later, the non-aggression pact with the USSR represented another

3. Carolyn
February 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm
An example of right-wing party infighting just cropped up the party that the
emailer Paul Hickman just quit.http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/neonazi-former-bnp-members-launch-new-far-right-party. An interesting and instructive
read.
4. shawn david
February 9, 2013 at 10:36 pm
great show carolyn..and tanstafl to..im not sure if n youve got a youtube channel or
not but my awakining happend there so its somewhat an old friend..my familia all
think im a hitlerite..but i thought the same way for 30 yrs it seemsmy channel is
shawn david..stop by..say hi..
5. Steve
February 10, 2013 at 12:57 am
The jewish power comes from the state. Propagation of the Non-Aggression Principle
(NAP) would inevitably allow for voluntary segregation without opposition, which is the
precursor of a restoration of income freedom (no taxation without unanymous
consent). I think the future is not through the unpopular direct meme of anti-jew, but
rather through what is functionally just as anti-jew, which is: support for secession,
opposition to the drug war, and a general pro-individual-freedom anarchist viewpoint,
coupled with males learning pick up artist (anti-feminist, pro-science, pro-logic,
minimalism) psychological understanding of the female psyche (and how to deal with

violent individuals initiating force against many people for purely non-violent behavior)
can be opposed. Remember, pro-freedom unites everyone, and every group gets what
they want, except for the parasites, jews, and true believer statists.

initiation of force shall be universally opposed by all citizens, the state (composed of

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crowds to gain favor). Once you have everyone agreeing with the moral that the

6. Rick1
February 10, 2013 at 2:25 am
Very nice interview. Interesting that Mr. Linder pointed out that Golden Dawn has
actually existed for quite some time but is just now making gains. Right now, White
racialists do not have any structure in place that could take advantage of an
opportunity in the way Golden Dawn has done. If a collapse came any time soon in the
US, I think White racialists would not come out as winners.
I disagree with Steve. The secessionist/anarchist/individual freedom movement is
not a racialist movement. Doing anything that is not explicitly race-based and anti-jew
means providing funds and energy to Ron Paul types. We need to do our own thing
even if it means we are a much smaller group. Libertarians and the Ron Paul crowd are
well-funded. We do not need to help them out.
Btw, A3P is now AFP (American Freedom Party). The name change suggests an
approach more in line with what Steve has suggested. The Golden Dawn lesson though
seems to be the opposite more explicit messaging, more money to youth activism
than to supporting intellectuals and a more on-the-ground in-person social rather than
abstract/meta-political approach. Above all, we need to be ready for the reality of this
country becoming majority non-White. The clock is ticking !!
7. Donnie
February 10, 2013 at 7:39 am
I stopped listening when it was suggested that Adam Lanza didnt exist.
Jesus wept.

Poor Donnie. I am sure you have not stopped listening to the lies told by the Jew Mass
Media. Maybe you should ask your Jew Media why Adam Lanza died the day prior to

February 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

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8. Ken

the Sandy Hook Jew Media Event according to the Social Security Death Index. Poor
Donnie just cannot question the Jew Lies as told by the idiot box.
9. Hadding
February 10, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Remember, pro-freedom unites everyone, and every group gets what they want,
except for the parasites, jews, and true believer statists.
This is approximately the reason why many White people have been supporting the
less-government ideology for decades. Its a losing strategy, now more than ever.
In this economic climate (which is probably not going to get better anytime soon)
you have to be willing to use government to help the White working class, or you wont
ever get enough of their votes to attempt whatever else it is you want to do.
More broadly, you cant defeat power by preaching against power itself as a matter
of principle (in other words by being liberal, in the correct sense of that word). Its
delusional.
10. Carolyn
February 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Right now, White racialists do not have any structure in place that could take
advantage of an opportunity in the way Golden Dawn has done. If a collapse came any
time soon in the US, I think White racialists would not come out as winners.
I sure do agree with that, Rick.
11. Wallace
February 10, 2013 at 9:00 pm

strategy?
Good luck getting any traction with that!

Mr. Linder honestly thinks that killing kids like Breivik (supposedly )did is a good

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(Hopefully this comment wont disappear like my previous comments have)

Also, Linder seems to be unaware that over 90% of Greek citizens are Orthodox (real)
Christians.
Like most Westerners he seems to be entirely unaware of the existence of true
Christianity as opposed to false, Judaized Western Judeo-Christianity (which is in
reality an oxymoron)
Here we see Orthodox Christian priests blessing the opening of the Golden Dawns new
offices in Corinth and Golden Dawn members Crossing themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrANux28bPA
12. Carolyn
February 10, 2013 at 9:16 pm
I resent your continuing to assert that I am disappearing your comments. I have only
ever gotten 3 from you and published them all. Do you have a persecution complex? I
like your comments just fine, apart from the snide remarks (or should I just say side
remarks).
13. Fred Fred's
February 10, 2013 at 9:22 pm
ALex. Linder will soon drown in his own ignorance.
14. Carolyn
February 10, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Fred I published this because Im sure it represents a lot of peoples opinion.
However, its just a cheap shot if you cant point out what you think his ignorance
consists of. If I interviewed you would you have anything of interest to say?

February 11, 2013 at 12:03 am

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15. Wallace

I resent your continuing to assert that I am disappearing your comments. I have only
ever gotten 3 from you and published them all.
Hi Carolyn,
I wasnt really saying that you specifically were disappearing them (maybe someone
else is moderating them?) but my last couple of attempts to comment did not make it
through.
I tried to post again and I got a message saying, Duplicate comment detected It looks
like you already said that, so I know it made it through that far anyhow. I tried again
the next day too, but again it never went up.
Maybe they got caught up in your spam filter and were therefore deleted mistakenly?
On your episode of The Heretics Hour where you read Hitlers speech Why We Are
Antisemites someone named Lugh made a comment saying, Theres no academic
sources that says the Jews are Khazars.
I was trying to post a link to a story about a genetic study confirming the Khazar theory
for the origins of European Jews.
I dont know why it never showed up I just know that it didnt I still have it though I
think so Ill try to post it again right now. Perhaps you could check your spam filter and
see if its in there for me?
Thanks Carolyn, I really do appreciate this site and your shows!
16. Carolyn
February 11, 2013 at 12:55 am
Hey Wallace, thanks to Tanstaafl, I just discovered your comments in the spam filter! I
didnt know anything ever got caught there. I should have looked; next time I will know
to do that. Sorry if my reply was too sharp. I marked it not spam so its on here

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somewhere, but back where it fits date-wise. Its at 1/31/12.

17. schmuley
February 11, 2013 at 9:55 am
As usual Carolyn did not answer email questions. She let Linder get away with Breiviks
Jewish/Jew state connections, the EDL etc.
Shame shame shame Carolyn. I try hard to trust you Carolyn, but I just dont.
18. Carolyn
February 11, 2013 at 10:32 am
Here is the comment from Wallace that got lost on Jan. 31:
Submitted on 2013/01/31 at 7:17 am
Theres no academic sources that says the Jews are Khazars Lugh
I would like to see these so-called Academic sources that state that they are not, as I
strongly doubt they exist.
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
Youd think the fact that they dont look Middle Eastern (at all) would clue people in!
19. Carolyn
February 11, 2013 at 10:55 am
Wallace take a look at this:http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html,
especially the first two bullet items under key findings, #1 Studies of Jewish
Populations. Tan clued me in to this page.
20. Carolyn
February 11, 2013 at 11:15 am

through all that. I wrote to you apologizing for that.There were three! from you, but

was being spammed with; I didnt see them until after the show was over and could go

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schmuley As usual? Your messages were buried in a mass of daemon messages I

they didnt make much of an impression on me. What is your point? Why not present it
here in writing rather than just making insinuations.
All you anonymous types make me sick. At least Linder stands up with his own name
and always has. What do you do? Who are you hiding from?
My attention to Breivik is based on the good things he said criticizing the current liberal
government of his nation, Norway, and getting international attention. He made a good
case against forced immigration, which does result in mass murder of a whole
population and national group.
21. Alexander from Flanders
February 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Very interesting interview. Mister Linder should have his own show on the White
Network.
The only thing I did not like was the fact that you guys dont seem to understand
vegetarism. I stopped eating meat well over a decade ago, and Im extremely healthy. I
even fitness (with weights) 6 to 8 hours every week, go jogging and move only by bicyle.
22. Nick Dean
February 12, 2013 at 10:11 am
The majority of studies of Jewish genetics, and especially this is true of the larger
studies, find that Ashkenazi Jews (the alleged Khazars) are more closely related to other
Jewish groups like the Sephardim and Mizrahim than to any non-Jewish poluation, with
Palestinan Arabs and the Druze being their closest relations among non-Jews.
Ted Sallis at TOO has done a few reviews of the research.
quoting: The data are consistent with a weak Khazar hypothesis that Ashkenazi
Jews may have some fraction of Khazar ancestry but are more closely linked to other

Middle Eastern populations of the classical world (i.e., Hebrews) is highly unlikely.
Not only are the Ashkenazim genetically close to the Sephardim (who have traditionally

Ashkenazim are merely converted Khazars without any connection whatsoever to the

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Middle Eastern groups. On the other hand, the strong Khazar hypothesis that the

been considered as likely Hebrew descendants), but this study yet again confirms
previous findings of a significant fraction of historical Middle Eastern ancestry in the
Ashkenazim.
Therefore, the idea that the Ashkenazim are simply Khazars with no Middle Eastern
ancestry is untenable.
However, equally untenable is the idea that the Ashkenazim are just like Europeans
and are not distinct from the European genepool. It is quite clear that Europeans are
different from Middle Easterners, with various Jewish groups positioned intermediate
to those two major Caucasian continental population groups. Indeed, it may be
reasonable to see Jews as a mini-race as they are distinct from both Europeans and
Middle Easterners and are indeed more similar to each other than to these other
groups. / endquote
***
This position is so clearly the general and consensus one it must make people who can
use google and read think White Nationalists, Jew-critics and cranky Christians insane
when they keep talking about Khazars.
23. Carolyn
February 12, 2013 at 10:44 am
Alexander thats great, and I know its so much about ones overall lifestyle. As we
know, Adolf Hitler was not lifting weights, jogging and traveling by bicycle. (I
am not being a smart-alec here.) I would like to ask you a question: Do you have
children?
24. Phil
February 14, 2013 at 2:57 am

Yes indeed, Hitler was rite. If your family knew, really knew, what the man was all
about and not instead believe the mountain of scurrilous lies that have been heaped

my familia all think im a hitlerite..

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shawn david said:

upon his good name, in addition to coming to an understanding that the Jewish
holocaust is a historical fraud and myth, a vicious anti-German libel, theres a good
chance theyd be Hitlerites too. That is, if they are intellectually honest and capable of
critical thinking.
Phil
25. Phil
February 14, 2013 at 2:59 am
Carolyn said:
As we know, Adolf Hitler was not lifting weights, jogging and traveling by bicycle.
How could he? He didnt have the time to!
Phil
26. Wallace
February 15, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Hi again Carolyn,
Apologies for the tardy response (been having computer issues)
I have perused the khazaria.com site before, thanks. The study I linked to is newer
though and addresses the issue of the impossibly huge population growth experienced
in Jewry.
As the new study intimates, such rapid and immense population growth (a jump from
50,000 to 8,000,000) can only be explained by miracle or by religious conversion. Im
going to go with conversion!
The opposing Rhineland Hypothesis for the origins of Euro-Jewry is numerically and
literally impossible unless the Jews had a birth rate 10 times greater than that of the
local non-Jewish population. To think that this is what actually transpired is ridiculous at

to have been performed by Jews! They would never lie to us would they?

Not to mention that many of the studies on the issue referenced at khazaria.com seem

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best!

The site also speaks about Israelites Where did they manage to get a verified
Israelite sample to compare against? All of the Israelite genealogies were destroyed by
Herod the great (as recorded by Josephus) so there is really no way to prove true
Israelite lineage after Christ as far as I can tell
Also many (most?) of the first century Jews (Judeans) including the kings Herod were
actually racially Edomites. So whatever Jews eventually intermingled with the
Khazarians, etc were likely racially of Edomite extraction rather than Israelite.
Anyway, its really not worth arguing over They practice and keep the traditions of the
anti-Christ cult religion of the Jews (Pharisaism/Talmudism) so they are Jews indeed
(whether racially or not), for who is a Jew has always been a question of religion
rather than race.
~~~ ~~~ ~~~
On another note, for Mr. Linders edification
Here is an excerpt from The Program of the Golden Dawn in English which I just came
across (regarding Christianity) :
The Golden Dawn is opposed to Church-state separation. She seeks to restore the
prestige of the (Orthodox Christian) Church and to remove all the decadent and
internationalist members of the clergy.
Religions that offend the Greek tradition and history and damage the strength of the
nation will be banned. Greek Orthodoxy reborn once again, will be a pioneer in the
struggles of the nation.
(Parentheses mine)
From: http://golden-dawn-international-newsroom.blogspot.gr/p/the-program-ofgolden-dawn.html
Nuff said!
27. Carolyn

that last part to Alex Linder, as I dont think he reads this site.

Very good comment (#25), Wallace. Thanks for the golden dawn link. I guess I will send

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February 15, 2013 at 10:05 pm

28. Tanstaafl
February 15, 2013 at 10:26 pm
@Wallace
Not to mention that many of the studies on the issue referenced at khazaria.com
seem to have been performed by Jews! They would never lie to us would they?
Valid point. What are the sources on the population numbers you cite?
who is a Jew has always been a question of religion rather than race
Being a jew has always been a question of whether your parents are jews, ie. heredity,
ie. racial.
29. Hadding
February 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I am all about criticizing conservatism, but I do not agree with personally attacking
conservative individuals.
If you attack Pat Buchanan or Jared Taylor personally, his supporters are going to see
you as an enemy. By contrast, if you say that what Buchanan or Taylor says is right in
this way but wrong in that way, then you get some agreement.
The question should be how best to reach out to people that follow conservatism. I
would submit that an ad hominem attack on their hero is not a good way.
30. Wallace
February 16, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Hi Tanstaafl,
The numbers are discussed in the first link I left (the one that got trapped in the spam

White Jews, there are Black Jews, etc.


Surely we cant suggest that an Ethiopian Jew and a White Jew are of the same
race?

As for whether the Jews are a race or a religion (cult) There are Arab Jews, there are

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box).

31. Tanstaafl
February 17, 2013 at 11:21 am
@Wallace
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youve provided. Please repost your source.
Surely we cant suggest that an Ethiopian Jew and a White Jew are of the same
race?
Youre thinking only in terms of coarse, continental-scale race. Race is also fine-grained
and is in this sense just another word for heredity, i.e. blood lines. DNA analysis reveals
genetic connections between the various clusters of jews around the world.
The predominant racial strain, both in numbers and power, is the Ashkenazi strain.
Heres a little about their genetics.
race/history/evolution notes: Moment Magazines great (Jewish) DNA experiment:
In September, Moment Magazine got all nerdy and wrote about their Great DNA
Experiment, in which they look at the 23andMe results of 15 notable Americans of
Jewish ancestry and make some interesting genetic connections. Its a good
illustration of how our DNA can tell us about our interconnectedness.
The piece shows its not six degrees that separates these individuals from each
other, but, in all but one case, no degrees of separation. This means that these
individuals are all directly related to one another, albeit in most cases distantly.
32. Carolyn
February 18, 2013 at 2:00 am

european-jews/

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/16/gene-study-settles-debate-over-origin-of-

33. Hadding
February 18, 2013 at 3:37 am
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remember

when

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reported. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

dyn/content/article/2006/01/12/AR2006011201896.html
Supposedly 40% of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from four women and, it says, almost
no non-Jews are descended from those four women.
What struck me at the time was that, if you assume that those four women were
authentic Jews from Palestine, it still leaves 60% of Ashkenazi Jews whose matrilineal
descent is in doubt. It suggests that Koestlers Thirteenth Tribe story could be largely
but not entirely true.
Somebody might like to look at this study from the NIH.
34. Tanstaafl
February 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm
The Eran Elhaik article mentions the numbers but provides no source. It then presents
only two possibilities, one of which it claims is impossible a great example of false
dichotomy.
That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish
population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and
pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.
Or. the numbers are wrong.
A more detailed and objective historic analysis could also very well reveal that
European communities were more ravaged overall.
We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations
including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans,

with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan.

Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga,

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says Elhaik.

Note the emphasis on narrative a vague tapestry which puts Judaised Khazars
first, alongside the suggestive claim that the population structure was formed in the
Caucasus. The lack of numbers here, which any genomic analysis makes possible, is
odd.
Compare with Studies Show Jews Genetic Similarity, which claims Ashkenazic and
Sephardic Jews have roughly 30 percent European ancestry, with most of the rest from
the Middle East.
Whatever spin jews put on the DNA evidence, it confirms what was understood long
before DNA was known, which is that the jews are a people whose biological
connections to each other are more important than any ideology.
35. Tanstaafl
February 18, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Jew Jon Entine on Jewish DNA Genetic Research and The Origins of the Jewish People.
Regarding your point Hadding fast foward to 12:50:
Most of female DNA, that theyve done testing of, traces back to European
populations whether theyre pagan or Christian its not clear but they almost certainly
were not semitic.
...
The reality of it is that most of us today who are Ashkenazi are probably the
descendent of a semitic jewish male and a, either a convert or a Christian or pagan
who didnt convert but quickly was assimilated into the small but soon growing jewish
community, raised their children as jews, but if you ultimately trace it back, meh,
theyre not so jewish.
36. Hadding

were many more female than male converts to Judaism.

Circumcision is a barrier to male conversion to Judaism. In the Roman World, there

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February 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm

37. Alex Linder


February 18, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Remember, pro-freedom unites everyone, and every group gets what they want, except
for the parasites, jews, and true believer statists.
Yes, but the problem is half the white population is white niggers. Racialists talk about
crime and jews, which is necessary, and what sets us apart, but what also could set us
apart is talking about the state being the worst way to do everything except gang
warfare. The better whites dont need government to do anything except leave them
alone. Its like a racial protective umbrella/association at the federal level. What the
working classes need is a government that stays out of the money, not one that is
taking in half their income and then shuffling some of it back out for education and
welfare. If ordinary white men cant run their own lives without programs from the
federal government, then our cause is worthless.
38. Alex Linder
February 18, 2013 at 8:48 pm
In this economic climate (which is probably not going to get better anytime soon) you
have to be willing to use government to help the White working class, or you wont ever
get enough of their votes to attempt whatever else it is you want to do.
Youre mistaking the cause for the cure. Times are bad because of big government. Only
one man is saying that, and he is the one who got any whites fired up. Stealing his
thunder is quite possible.
More broadly, you cant defeat power by preaching against power itself as a matter of
principle (in other words by being liberal, in the correct sense of that word). Its
delusional.

around by the likes of Erich Gliebe and Kevin Strom.

individual white men, not with the state. Youd prefer ordinary white men be bossed

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Its a matter of where the power is vested. My view is that most of it belongs with

The right way to go is to take advantage of the economic wisdom of the libertarians and
combine it with our racial knowledge.
39. Alex Linder
February 18, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Mr. Linder honestly thinks that killing kids like Breivik (supposedly )did is a good
strategy?
Killing the enemy does work. Thats how the enemy took power, after all.
Like most Westerners he seems to be entirely unaware of the existence of true
Christianity as opposed to false, Judaized Western Judeo-Christianity (which is in reality
an oxymoron)
Every single subset of the jebus cult claims it and it alone represents true christianity.
Its one thing, among many others, that makes the thing a joke and a waste of time.
Imagine if science were like religion! Where every single nattering nut claims his
number is the REAL freezing point. Religion is thinking for people who cant think. It
must be taken into account as a political factor, but in no other way.
40. Alex Linder
February 18, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Right now, White racialists do not have any structure in place
This is far overrated as a problem. The real problems are
1) defining we
2) figuring out what we want
3) figuring out how to structure an organization so that the leadership kernel is
protected
I have the answers to the first two (see my Strategy section); the third is more a

wants. As the tea party did not, hence its being coopted into more feckless, gelded
conservatism by the Glenn Becks.

Party, for instance. It means little unless the organization knows who it is and what it

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technical matter than anything. A party or organization can spring up overnight Tea

Also, the mindset is far too much in the democratic voting vein when the thing that
really matters is protection both physical fighting and intellectual/electronic security.
This is what Golden Dawns example shows. If you have the ability to fight and protect
your core, then even a 7% in the voting booth is enough to scare the power structure
into openly talking about banning your group! Think about that. The irony is that even
National Socialists like Hadding are trapped in the conservative democratic-pandering
mindset I made fun of.
Which is it Hadding? Do you want a master state that dictates what kind of toilet paper
we can buy? Or do you want to walk around all genial and grinny, asking middle-class
women what you can do to make their lives more pleasant?
41. Alex Linder
February 18, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The only thing I did not like was the fact that you guys dont seem to understand
vegetarism. I stopped eating meat well over a decade ago, and Im extremely healthy. I
even fitness (with weights) 6 to 8 hours every week, go jogging and move only by bicyle.
Vegetablers can be healthy, but they are certainly guilty of bad taste, which is a worse
crime than bad health. Meat tastes better than vegetables. Thats why normal people
eat meat. Along with it being the best source of proteins. If you want to scramble
around like a mouse nibbling on beans and nuts, go for it, but youll notice that
vegetarians are the only eaters who feel the need to defend what they eat, and thats
because meat is so damn good only a nut would give it up. Meat has to be lied about
its so good all the garbage about it causing heart attacks is a staple lie in the mass
media, akin to diversity being a strength. If you have to argue, a vegetarian meal can be
just as tasty as X meat dish, youve already lost and become absurd. You never see
anyone say something like Cooked properly, a steak can be just as tasty as quinoa with
chickpeas and tomatoes. If you choose to reject one of the greatest physical pleasures

nigger toe (and thats an old-school term for a nut).

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in this world, thats your business, but dont expect others to see you as anything but a

42. Alex Linder


February 18, 2013 at 9:30 pm
On another note, for Mr. Linders edification
Here is an excerpt from The Program of the Golden Dawn in English which I just came
across (regarding Christianity) :
The Golden Dawn is opposed to Church-state separation. She seeks to restore the
prestige of the (Orthodox Christian) Church and to remove all the decadent and
internationalist members of the clergy.
Religions that offend the Greek tradition and history and damage the strength of the
nation will be banned. Greek Orthodoxy reborn once again, will be a pioneer in the
struggles of the nation.
That is what they say now. In my opinion they are insincere, and making a mistake.
Their entire history, on view in their magazine, is racialist in the way were all familiar
with. Now, on the verge of serious power, they are faced with a wide array of enemies,
domestic and foreign. It makes no sense to get into a battle on the religious front too.
So they downplay their own past and present a united front with the church when it
comes to such things as going after, say, Corpus Christi, a play by a fag depicting Jesus
and the disciples as fags.
In my view, Golden Dawn is making a mistake. Already the top Orthodox guy in Greece
has denounced the party, as have lesser clerics. They have found the stray one to bless
their office, but the ones at the top, and many of the rank and file, already attack the
party, and will continue to do so, and with greater fervency, as GDs power grows and
as they are urged to by the usual international forces. And then again, as I point out
tirelessly, the jebus cult is universalist. That cannot be changed. Thats why you find in
Greece the church is perfectly willing to aid these noxious pest illegal aliens from
Pakistan and Nigeria. What does the church care? One man is as good as another.

something else entirely the real thing.

conservative party as we are long familiar with in the West is completely wrong. Its

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In any case, anyone who tries to sell you that Golden Dawn is a christian cultural

43. Alex Linder


February 18, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Hadding
February 16, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I am all about criticizing conservatism, but I do not agree with personally attacking
conservative individuals.
If you attack Pat Buchanan or Jared Taylor personally, his supporters are going to see
you as an enemy. By contrast, if you say that what Buchanan or Taylor says is right in
this way but wrong in that way, then you get some agreement.
The question should be how best to reach out to people that follow conservatism. I
would submit that an ad hominem attack on their hero is not a good way.
This above is a good example of how no one is as dumb as a smart guy.
Youre completely wrong. How do the winners in this society do it? They ad hominem
until their lungs fall out. its all they ever do. They literally never argue for their position,
all they do is smear their oppoents. And it works.
Others are not like you, Hadding. Youre confusing your own preference with
dmonstrated, manifest reality.
If you attack people by name, their supporters will assume you are strong and right.
And if the man doesnt respond, and the two are remotely on the same level (so it cant
be played off as some critic not worth taking note of) them the non-respondent will be
seen as weak, and begin to lose his followers to the attacker. Jared Taylor cant pop his
smarmy lying head up without getting attacked by those who pose my questions to
him. Hes still around, yes, he hasnt died yet like Sam Francis, but no one is scared of
him, and that means no one takes him serious. Which is as it should be. He is a clown, a
liar, and an anti-White, and his very existence is proof there is no real White movement

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yet.

44. Alex Linder


February 18, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Thanks, Carolyn, for having me on again, I really enjoy these shows. I totally forgot
about the comment section or I would have responded earlier. If anyone else has points
to make or questions I will respond.
45. Hadding
February 18, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Times are bad because of big government.
Not exactly.
Yeah I know Linder. Weve established that youre a Reaganite with attitude. But
Reaganism is delusional and simplistic. Reaganism is a political superstition that has to
be overcome. Its bad for getting votes as well as bad policy.
A large part of the support for Ron Paul was anti-war and anti-establishment. I would
have voted for him on that basis even though his economic ideas are wrong.
46. Carolyn
February 18, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Thank you, Alex. I guess I should have prompted you, but thought you just might not
want to post here. So its great. Very lively.
47. Will Williams
February 20, 2013 at 12:24 pm
@ Linder: dont expect others to see you as anything but a nigger toe (and thats an
for

nut).

Not just any nut, smarty, but a Brazil nut, because it resembles the toe of a Negro. It
must be a southern thing you know, from the White southern Americans you

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term

old-school

despise, insult and smear with your oh-so-brilliant ad hominem to get them to follow
you to wherever it is you fantasize taking them.
Linder @ Hadding: Youre completely wrong. How do the winners in this society do it?
They ad hominem until their lungs fall out. its all they ever do. They literally never
argue for their position, all they do is smear their oppoents. And it works.
If you attack people by name, their supporters will assume you are strong and right.
And if the man doesnt respond, and the two are remotely on the same level (so it
cant be played off as some critic not worth taking note of) them the non-respondent
will be seen as weak, and begin to lose his followers to the attacker

How does that work when you continually attack a righteous White man on your forum,
by name, with your patented ad hominem smears and insults a man who agrees with
your radical positions on Christianity, race and the Jew for the most part but is not
allowed to respond to your attacks of him because you permabanned him from your
sandbox years ago? Who is seen as weak then? Or cowardly? Who believes your betters
like Kevin McDonald or Kevin Strom will ever stoop to respond to your calculated ad
hominemsmears of them at VNN?
The difference between you and the obnoxious Federal prisoner and Hollywood Nazi
Bill White is that he admitted to attacking his betters in hopes that they would respond,
therefore, to his twisted thinking, elevating him to their level; whereas you attack them
in the hope that they will not respond, therefore proving you are strong and they are
weak.
Were I to build a movement a real world one as opposed to your Internet spintro
fan club Id take one serious, ultra-dedicated, truth-telling Hadding Scott and one
serious, ultra-dedicated, truth-telling Kevin Strom over 100 of you and 100 Bill Whites
with your childish, calculated insults and smears, and overblown egos, and start
building in southern Appalachia with them by telling simple unvarnished truths to the

followers of Dr. Pierces teachings would prefer joining their strength to ours.
Soberly and consistently telling cold, hard truths: thats what works! Thats what
attracted men like Kevin, Hadding, me and thousands of others to Dr. Pierce. I dont

attacks, the less attention we were to pay you, the more the serious, and sincere

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very people you so despise. The more you were to smear our efforts with your foolish

know why you ever joined our Alliance; youve done nothing but badmouth it and us
and try to associate us with Erich Gliebe for the past decade. How many former, real
world Alliance members have you convinced to follow you by that strategy?
Why do you not attack Golden Dawn for being an explicitly Christian movement so as to
win its followers over to your Internet VNN-team? You cant, thats why. You are
inconsistent and contradictory by hitching your vanguard wagon to GDs star and are
in no position to tell the truth all the time. Your words, above, reveal this: It makes no
sense to get into a battle on the religious front.
48. Hadding
February 21, 2013 at 12:36 am
Youre completely wrong. How do the winners in this society do it? They ad hominem
until their lungs fall out. its all they ever do. They literally never argue for their
position, all they do is smear their opponents. And it works.
In some ways I think Alex Linder never left The American Spectator.
What Linder seems to be describing there is the kind of rhetoric that is used by partynominees running for office in the unfortunate two-party system with which we are
saddled. In this system, the general election is won by being all things to all people. This
can be accomplished by personally attacking the opposing candidate while, to the
extent possible, avoiding issues. In this way a fragile coalition of people that really dont
agree on very much can be cobbled together perhaps long enough to get past electionday.
I mentioned in my last essay for TOO that electoral politics and White advocacy are
distinct matters that require distinct approaches. Regardless of whatever bullshit works
in electoral politics, the movement for White interests must lie fundamentally outside
of electoral politics and must be grounded in truth in order to last.
This above is a good example of how no one is as dumb as a smart guy.

his interest in ad hominem rhetoric.

have noticed that he has a lot of smart guys and smart gals on his forum as well, sharing

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I appreciate that, and I want to say that I think that Alex Linder is a smart guy too, and I

If you rely heavily on an irrational form of rhetoric, the kinds of people that you attract
will tend not to be of a rational sort.

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