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8WeeksOut.com’s Interview with Coach Buddy Morris
Joel Jamieson
Joel: Hi. This is Joel Jamieson, 8weeksout.com and today I’ve put together an interview for you with longtime friend and colleague Buddy Morris. For those of you on the website who may not be familiar with Buddy Morris. He’s a great strength conditioning coach, physical preparation coach, and I think I first met you back at the Verkhoshansky seminar in Chicago. Yes. A long time, but for those who don’t know who you are can you please just give us a quick rundown on your background as far as your coaching experience and how you got in this field to begin with? Absolutely, Joel. First of all, I thank you for the opportunity to be part of the website and thank you for this opportunity to be the first inaugural interview with you. I appreciate it. But I started back in 1980, graduated from the University of Pittsburgh, and during my time there since the campus weight room wasn't that nice, I actually went to Jackie Sherrill who was the head football coach at the time and asked for permission to start using the football players weight room early in the morning when none of the players are around. He granted me that permission. I had run track for the University of Pittsburgh up until I think my senior year I decided to give it up simply because I wasn’t going anywhere to be honest with you. So I started working indirectly with some of the players on their strength, on their speed because of my track background. Lo and behold he finds out about it, asked me if I could do the job, and that’s where it all started from. I started in 1980 in April, and I was hired as the head strengthening conditioning coach [for] the University of Pittsburgh, went to the winter of 1990. I resigned at that time because my oldest daughter, Cara, at the time was placed on a liver transplant list which she’s still on the transplant list but is doing exceptionally well. So I went to work in a private industry which is where I really got to be in touch with physical therapists and the value of rehab and pre-hab, and programming for athletes. In 1997 the University of Pittsburgh called me and asked me to come back. I went back in 2001. I got a call from Butch Davis of the Cleveland Browns, went to the Cleveland Browns until 2004 and literally sat around

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Joel for 16 months pulling what hair I had left out until I got a chance to go to the University of Buffalo with Turner Gill, and I was there for six months. Was very fortunate to meet my now wife Monica who has been a Godsend and then was asked to come back to University of Pittsburgh by Dave Wannstedt until a change of coaching regimes this year. So I’m back to where I was after Cleveland looking for a job. So this is my 31st year, Joel, involved in physical preparation. Joel: Yeah, that’s a long time. You’ve had one of the rare experiences of coaching in both the collegiate and the professional level as far as football is concerned. What are the main differences you’ve seen between the two levels from a coaching perspective and what is something that the people out there might be surprised to learn about coaching professional athletes versus collegiate athletes? Probably the biggest difference is the amount of time that you have to train them. The greatest amount of time you have to train a professional athlete is actually during the season when the physical stressors of the game is at its heightened level, so they’re already in maximum strength mode. Your job during that time is just to help them promote recovery restoration, quality and integrity, a lot of hands on work with massage during the season, and to really address individuals simply because some guys are playing, some guys aren't. You only have 53...it's just a whole different scenario, Joel. You're also looking at different age group. In college you got from 17 to 21 or 22. In the NFL, you got from 22 all the way up to 40. So when Tommy and I were in Cleveland we actually wrote programs for one to four years, five to eight, and then nine and above and also in the NFL you have this long list of injury. Joel: Buddy: Right. Because they’ve achieved, people talk about the process of achieving sports mastery, they’ve achieved the mastery of their sport. It’s the highest level. They’re not going to go anywhere else, so it is the highest level sporting activity. So the forces that are generated on the field and the stresses of the game are twice that than what they are in college. By that, in the NFL guys don’t have to panic like they do on the collegiate level, and they say the lifespan of an athlete’s game is equivalent to a lifetime of 10 mile an hour car accidents. People say, “Well, 10 miles an hour isn’t very fast” and it isn’t. But these guys are not made of steel, rubber, and iron, and glass. So there is a tremendous difference in training a professional athlete and training a collegiate athlete.

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And where in the collegiate level. it’s their job. Right.www. So when they leave the house. At least they should. In college. These are grown men you're coaching and I've always said this. You’re still training the body against resistance.com The professional athlete. Kids still have to go to class.000 different other things that we can do so you don’t have to bench press. it’s not a game. So training a professional athlete there's a lot of issues you have to deal with from injury standpoint. they really will buy into your program and do what you ask them to do. you have more control of their environment. here’s 1. so you give them options. they’re not going to do the work so it’s up to you to sell them on why they should do the work and like you said let them see that you care about their performance and you’re there for them above all else. Now. No question. Like I said it’s not a game where in college it's still a game. So it’s a very businesslike approach. they don't care what you know until they know that you care about them and once they know that you care about them and you have their best interests at heart and in you're in a service industry now.8weeksout. Yeah. you can pretty much run the show and they’re going to do what you say. Joel: Yeah. you have to understand this too Joel. they leave at 6:30 in the morning and they go home at 4:00 in the afternoon after they watch film. you're servicing them and helping them maintain the length of their career because the average career in the NFL is like 2. from years of service in the league to the fact that like you and I both agreed on. You don’t want to bench press today.8weeksout. it’s a very disciplined atmosphere. And you’re still adjusting the program through the athlete and also the time because like I said it is their job. I’ve seen you and James Smith and I’m sure Tommy. definitely. It’s definitely changes to a professional environment and you are there for them like you were saying. Is there a Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. In the NFL you’re going to pick and choose your battles. It’s what they do for a living. it is their job now so it's more of a professional job work-like atmosphere.com . Talk about yourselves as physical preparation coaches and kind of moving away from the strength conditioning coach name. I worked with the Seahawks a little bit. that sounds exactly like what I kind of saw when I moved up from the University of Washington. Right. I mean if they don’t want to do the work. you have them all year around.3 years.

1. I'd be thrilled and happy. nature does not deal everybody the same Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. it’s probably not going to happen. if they don’t up with it they’re not going to listen to it. there's a development of alactic and aerobic power and capacity. there’s rehab versus pre-hab. You know. I think of two things. It was very nice when it came out. The second is your environment and that's how you play the cards nature has dealt you. What are the biggest factors. That's where you're God given. but with the National Strength and Conditioning… I doubt it. there's stability. The strength conditioning coach I think kind of limits. there's flexibility. It’d be nice if the term catches on.com . weightlifting and running and that’s it.com particular reason for that and what exactly do you see as the distinction or the difference between calling yourself a strength conditioning coach or a physical preparation coach? Buddy: When I hear the term strength conditioning. it’s not in their textbook at least. But it doesn’t encompass all that we are responsible for from a coaching standpoint. Joel: Yeah. there’s mobility. there's strength. what are the things that you look at as a physical preparation coach that you see determining the physical performance and the athlete’s success at the end of the day? I look at two factors to determine everything in life. No. Like I just said. I mean it definitely is a more accurate term to describe what it is we do that’s for sure. There's so much more that we have to be responsible for plus programming throughout the entire year. but that's not the case. Yep. …Association. but James and I and Tommy now and everybody else that have been prefer to refer to ourselves as physical preparation coaches because you are dealing with every physical component to prepare them for the sporting activity. your genetics. That takes into account all the physical attributes involved in the sporting activity itself. If they were we'd all look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. because somebody in the NFCA didn’t come up with it so… Yeah.8weeksout.8weeksout.www. Contrary to what the Bible said all men are not created equal. Now getting back to the idea of physical preparation. …and their hierarchy of who’s in charge. Yeah.

I mean that’s just basic. Right. So we look at athletes. detoxification. continue to strengthen their strengths while bringing up their weaknesses and we look at everybody as an individual which makes it harder Joel because you're more actively involved in programming. cardiopulmonary. Joel: Buddy: Yep.com deck of cards. you’re looking at seven different systems that must adapt to the stressors and pulls upon the athlete. you really just can’t get around the fact that training is an individual process and there’s no way to cross over that or ignore it. I would as well. but that’s going to change throughout the year from being off season to the competitive season. helping these guys. So you have eight different systems that do not adapt at the same time to the stressors involved. I mean that’s just the way it is. Yeah. And it's a proven fact no two people respond the same to the same program.8weeksout. Well. you have general adaptation.8weeksout. My 15-year-old stepson can figure that out and that's why we've taken the approach we have in training the athletes that we’re responsible for.com . and that’s definitely something I’ve been preaching for years and I’m sure all of us who have used the omega wave and seen the individual… Oh. it’s hard and like the late great Charlie Francis made me aware of a long time ago. central nervous system. When you talk about the omega wave Joel. yeah.www. Yeah. and our muscular system and I would add one more system in there and that’s the immune system. You know. The stress of training is greater to the body than the stress of a broken bone because you have your local adaptation. I mean. James and I or Tommy and Alan and Michael. But the problem with omega wave is unless you can get everybody on there. metabolical. cardiac. Things are going to change Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. hormonal. when we look at athletes we always move them to their strengths. The way you respond to stress. here’s what people don’t understand. The great thing about the omega wave is it allows you to train what is trainable. …effects of training. When you look at the omega wave everybody has a base foundation.

It’s not short-term. Lo and behold. I just talked about. At the time I thought it was a great idea. There’s periods of loading. One of the four factors I look at when I look at my programming is No.com . He called me back and I forget Joel. but as you get older. Joel. No.8weeksout. but everybody’s ability to adapt or accommodate that stress is different. go for it. and there’s periods of deloading. You’re not going to train an older athlete like you train a younger guy. When I look at programming. You must slow cook it for gradual loading. he developed a high/low approach and that is so valuable today in training in athlete because you cannot be C and S intensive everyday. Joel: Definitely not. One of their biggest problems. James Smith who was my assistant at Pitt these last four years is a genius. …briefly is we’re over volumized in this country and being said in society more is always better. but that's the biggest mistake that's being made on the collegiate level and the only reason we’re able to get away with it is for one word. So would you say one of the primary roles or maybe the role of the physical preparation coach is simply managing the stress so that the athletes are able to adapt successfully to it and see the outcome they’re looking for? I’ve always said better to under train than over train an athlete. Everybody’s ability to accommodate stress. Not everybody can do that. Remember the Bulgarians choose their weightlifters on people that can tolerate high amounts of stress. Younger people can handle an enormous amount of volume. But I’m a firm believer that the human body will adapt to stress. it must have been when we met at the conference in Illinois and he talked about categorizing high stressors and low stressors.www. youth.8weeksout.com tremendously in the human body. You’re not immediately better after what you just did. you can't. when I look at drills Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. 1 training is a long-term process. let me jump ahead of you here… Sure. the get rich quick scheme. He sent me his original manuscript. Joel: Buddy: Exactly. We’re looking for that quick fix. that new mythical miracle magical pill that’s going to solve all problems and it doesn’t exist Joel. is different and I truly believe you have to build recovering restoration into your program which is the value of the high/low approach to training.

positional demands. 19. 95% or above. Joel: Buddy: Right. He always said. he became fancier. But a lineman. The second thing you have to look at is the energy demands of the sport. I still remember what it was to be those ages. It’s that simple. you're looking anywhere from 160 to maybe 195 and you’ve got some bigger skill guys for linemen. and plus. 1-10s. He had become more technical. he became more single directed. “Don’t fear the man with 1.000 moves. That’s the only time that James and I or me and Tommy or me and Al will use those types of workouts. waste of time in my opinion. So I’m constantly analyzing and re-analyzing the drills we do and if I can’t find a good reason to keep it. in a split second you have to overcome somebody just as big if not bigger in a force. And there’s such a tremendous value to the tempo work whether the development of the aerobic enzyme] and myocardial energy production which is what Val has always talked about with the omega wave. He got rid of all the unnecessary things.com for my athletes if I can't find a good reason to keep a drill.com . 20-year-old kids and you remember what it was like to be 18 and 19. 300 yard shuttles. In football. The only time I’ve ever used those is like we said in college you’re in a more structured disciplined environment so you got to discipline them or when you’ve got to get their attention which you have to do because they’re still 18. Even at my age of 54 now. it’s gone.000 times.8weeksout. That's a significant difference. Not all sports use the same energy system. the greatest external resistance we all have to overcome is our own body weight. you're looking at 275 lbs. And the third thing that’s important is looking at position requirements. I get rid of it. the greatest resistance we all have to overcome Joel. Football is an a lactic aerobic sport. You have to get their attention sometimes. Yeah. 75% or less. Fear the man that has one move that he’s practiced 1. He had to weigh what was unnecessary and became very directed. Everything else is based on what Charlie Francis talked about. I've dealt with football all my life. People don’t understand why Bruce Lee became better at fighting.” So you have to look at training Joel as a long-term process. Now if you look at skilled guys. no and that's when I started programming back when I was in the NFL in Joel: Buddy: www. exactly. So do you train the same? In my opinion.www.8weeksout.

I think one of the bigger issues we run into is the strength conditioning coaches or physical preparation coaches don’t have a clue a lot of times what is being asked of their athletes on and off the field by their skill coaches and a lot of times they don’t really understand their energy demands. I’ve got Shante Spencer who I rehabbed his ACL two years ago. If you want to learn anything else you have to go above and beyond.8weeksout. and I’m training guys now who are in the NFL." The running is different.. Everybody has a weakness and it’s your job in my opinion to find the most productive ways to train your athletes and to address the training of the individual. two speakers – Louie Simmons. I have Scott [inaudible 0:16:42. But with the separation in our country at least of strength and conditioning and the skill development side.8weeksout. speed work is different. exercise selection. Joel. totally changed how I looked at the field of physical preparation. strength training. They're completely different entities.www. what the game of football requires.. We suffer in this country from academic myopia. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Isn’t that amazing? It is.com . loading. So you understand from a physiological standpoint what the skills of football require. I've seen coaches at the collegiate level barely understand the game of football and they're working with a football team so. and that’s why back in 1977. So those are the four factors that I look at when I look at programming and when I look at developing programs for sporting. you know what? I’m not that smart. Charles Poliquin. it's all different because they have different requirements and last but not least is you have to look at the individual. I went to the Mega Power Conference in Cleveland. Nonetheless. Made me realize. you're responsible for big guys. Joel: There’s a couple of points that you touched on real quick and I want to go over something. they don't really understand the game itself. They only teach you what they want you to know. There's no way I'm training them the same.com Cleveland and Tommy and I could look at each other and say.2] this is his first year. It’s one of the bigger issues in the strength conditioning and physical preparation is that you have a done a tremendous job of looking at the needs of the sport and looking at the needs of individuals. I don’t mean to interrupt you. www. this is going to be his eighth year. and what they’re being asked of from their football coach. Everybody needs something. "Tommy. I'm responsible for the small guys. Ohio.

www. nothing works forever. and there’s everything being pushed to athletes and coaches from a marketing perspective. selling the bands.8weeksout.com .8weeksout. but a lot of it is being driven by the desire to sell equipment. I have figured the fact that all programs work but only work for so long. the P90 Xs. but it’s one thing I had to teach younger athletes or younger strength coaches to make sure your athletes are always properly hydrated and you’ll have tremendous success. The human body is electrical current conductor of electricity. and the balls. The other thing I think that’s influenced our industry probably negatively more than anything else is the marketing aspect. Buddy: No question. And one of those things I wanted to have you talk about is the physical therapy and the functional training world. Oh. Joel: Buddy: Yeah water. You know. all the functional training stuff. Definitely. It’s the marketing driving the training rather than the training driving the results or the results being based on something scientific. Aside from like we talked about just the idea of strength coaches or physical preparation coaches and trainers maybe don’t do the best job of understanding the needs of the sport and they tend to let their athletes over train because of the. don’t get me wrong. Joel: www. like you said. Make sure you’re totally hydrated. right. We’ve all sent the cross fits. yeah. yeah. the quick buck. But in recent years there’s been a big push of the physical therapists kind of working their way into our industry. push of this country is more intensity.com And the other thing I figured out in 31 years of doing this Joel is that I haven’t figured anything out. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Oh. the perform better. That there’s products. I can’t express to you the value and importance of that. The human body was designed to adapt to external stimuli for one reason and that’s survival. the fast results. and every other thing known to man. and there’s training methods. because I know you do come from a rehab/pre-hab background from an educated standpoint. My personal opinion is there’s a lot of value to it if it’s used properly. I’m always real big and all my staff and all the people I’ve worked with with hydration of our athletes. I always stress that to my athletes is you must be totally hydrated pre and post-workout.

8weeksout. they're going to exist with every individual athlete where if I can’t figure it out Joel. then I'll go up to the physician and say. I told James.com Joel: If you could give us your thoughts on that whole distinction maybe between how do you see rehab/pre-hab and performance and how do you see them coming together and what do you think of the current kind of training trends of the physical therapist inundating the business? My very close friend who’s almost like a brother to me is Michael Hope who I think is one of the best PTs I’ve ever been around. you know. who’s Jimmy Andrews PT from Birmingham South. They always go over to MRI with me. it was Dr. Wait a couple of months Joel and see how that changes because you’ll get this. Vonda Wright with the University of Pittsburgh. So I never ask a physician [inaudible 0:22:46. Ask any surgeon and here’s my advice to any young strength coaches who are going to get involved and you should as a strength coach be involved in pre-hab and rehab and the rehabilitation of your athletes from program modification to help get that athlete and return them to 100% of their activity.2] with the Cleveland Browns. I believe pre-hab and rehab in their place is very important in designing strength training programs. Physical therapists are smarter than I’ll ever be.5]. Everything went great. "How did the surgery go?" Even when I'm in Buddy: www. I’ve heard Kevin Wilkes speak. I said. when we went in there we saw some things.sounds like micro] flaw in a movement pattern that's going to lead to a catastrophic injury later on down the road. you're repaired.com . “Well. blah." I'll wait 6 to 8 weeks. There’s a difference. So [inaudible 0:21:41. tremendous.8weeksout.sounds like whether] there's going to be certain issues or problems especially in movement patterns. [inaudible 0:20:51. and that's why I tell people when you've had surgery you're not fixed.0 .www. and I'm not standing in the back watching a telemonitor or prompt Joel. Never ask a physician how the surgery went immediately following the surgery because you get the same response. I’m not afraid to go outside and bring somebody in to help me figure things out and that’s where Michael Hope and Alan have proved to be so valuable to me. they explain what was going on during the course of surgery. I’ve been around Alan De Janeiro. but I find it hard to believe that you could find a [inaudible 0:21:19. I'm actually standing right behind the physician as he or she is doing their repair work. I've been to cadaver labs. "Never ask a physician how surgery went immediately following the surgery. blah. One of the things I started doing when I was with the Cleveland Browns is I actually went into surgery with our physicians and watched the repair that was done.” blah.8 .

1] warm up. repair work. and he lifts weights. But here’s what physical therapists don’t have to do. Charlie Francis always told me a long time ago. It may just be a peculiarity to the athlete. and he’s the world record holder.8weeksout. and they probably are more intelligent than www. There’s a lot of guys out there just regurgitating what Michael Hope says. I refuse to talk to them until 6 to 8 weeks later where everything has been done and you're in the room with them and they're communicating with you.com surgery with the physician and they're explaining what the process they're going through. We always take our athletes through a [inaudible 0:23:36. you know what Joel? Everyday is a movement screen with your athletes. With that being said I think when we start training our athletes all pre-hab and rehab work. "He sprints. “If it’s not a true flaw.8weeksout. should be done pre-workout. So if you’ve actually read and you understand training methodics and you understand the athlete and training the athlete. Seeing all these movement screens. here's what we're going to do. It doesn’t have to be all the time. and I think there is a valuable role for physical therapists and the pre-hab [inaudible 0:24:10. They can maintain an [inaudible 0:23:58. very basic. and it can be in your warm up before you start your actual strength training program. How hard is that?" We're trying to create circus acts in this country so like you said people can generate revenue. Yes. they restore movement patterns with very light loads. but I still hold off to wait to ask somebody how the surgery went because you’ll get a big difference in your response from a physician. I do think it's important to train an athlete unilaterally. here's the injured tissue. We look at those areas of the body that are more prone to injury based on the sport and we address those concerns. I still won't ask them. It's on a [inaudible 0:24:55.3]. he does jumps. especially pre-hab. Something Louie Simmons always told me a long time ago.9] heart rate or heart rate elevation and then the next 15 to 20 minutes Joel depending on the workout day is all pre-hab work.www. you won’t buy into all this stuff out there.com .” Can you imagine somebody trying to tell Michael Johnson that he’s got to get more of a forward lean when he’s runs instead of going straight back. very simplistic. what they're doing. So I still look at also what the best athletes in the world do. We have to ask our athletes Joel to handle heavier and heavier loads and that’s the significant difference. very directed. But I think it is important.2]. here's what we see. regurgitating what Stuart McGill says trying to make themselves seem like they’re the most intelligent people in the world. don’t mess with it. he throws a ball.

Expecting the methods that restore normal function to be the same methods to improve to high/low performance is just foolish really. 1. We have to learn to train. How have you been able to address that at the collegiate setting where a lot of the strength coaches out there get their start. and everybody else falls in between. Then we train them to compete and then we train them to win which is the ultimate end byproduct of what we’re trying to do.com me. I understand the team concept and you can have team runs if you want. some people never get it. They hired me to coach athletes. we bring in this freshman the very first things we go through is we train them to train. but they’re trying to make it seem like there’s only one program to end all to be all. then they’re working with 50 athletes. But when push comes to shove. I think what the NFCA has done is. 5 teams. Yep. Joel. training our athletes. how do you suggest being able to individualize as much as possible or take into consideration individualization needs. you still have to be able to coach and train your athletes. or Tommy and I or whoever my assistant was at the time. I don’t believe in running cookie cutter programs as you and I have talked. I mean.8weeksout. Anybody who runs a cookie cutter program makes me nervous because some people get it. Definitely. high loads of high speeds and those are totally different things.com . definitely. and don’t get me wrong because I admire what they’ve tried to do for strength coaches. It’s just like we teach an athlete to train. they did not hire me to facilitate the facility or the athletes. One thing real quick maybe you can touch on is like we’ve been talking about the individual needs of the athlete. but when it comes to a multi-disciplinary very intricate approach to the training methodic or prepare them for their sport. I’ve always believed in coaching small groups.8weeksout. Joel: Buddy: Right. I think you're better off Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. Joel: Yeah.www. When James and I bring. I think you touched on something that needs to be addressed and there’s a difference between rehabbing an injury and restoring a joint to normal function and asking that joint or that muscle group to perform under high stress. but still have the ability to train an entire team? How do you weigh those factors? No. 100 athletes and 4 teams.

Let’s talk about the program. I think it’s very important that you have an assistant who is very smart and www. the first thing that’s going to happen is their technique going to deteriorate or suffer. This is the only way to do it. I want to see his balance. "Buddy Morris is God. To me everyday is a dynamic functional assessment of all athletes as you watch them move. The end result being this is your guy. Let’s talk about things at the end of the day. That’s the learning process. I've always hired people who are smarter than me Joel for two reasons. I want to see his mobility. the better you’re going to get. People think I’m highly westside based. you have to be able to address it. You know. and especially we don’t use maximal loads all the time. his programming to my environment. Well anytime you do your test the first time. Joel: Buddy: Right. This is his program.8weeksout.8weeksout. you’re not going to be that good at it.com . they make me better. my athletes. These are your guys you’re responsible for. you asked me what did I do with an athlete the very first time I saw him? I take him through an active dynamic warm up. The more you do it. I want to see his [inaudible 0:29:10. and you have to be able to correct it to give every athlete an advantage to develop upon his and/or her own athletic abilities and potentials.6 – sounds like analyses] and sprint because just doing that can tell you a lot. get him better and that’s where it becomes very valuable to watch your athletes everyday when they warm up. Just giving them a test and watching them perform a test. One. I want to see his understanding of movement patterns [inaudible 0:29:12. And when athletes fail you have to understand why the athletes failed. That's not a lot Joel.1] awareness. they make me smarter and they decrease my workload and that's what we try to do probably since 2001 when I went to the Cleveland Browns. So I prefer to look at my athletes on a daily basis and watching them. then you're going to be able to identify weaknesses. So maybe 10% of the time we're at maximal effort during the course of a full week block. Here’s my guys I’m responsible for. I've adapted his methodics. So I think it's very important to coach in small groups. Let’s communicate. I love Louie. my circumstances." That's egotistical.com coaching in small groups and you’re better off hiring an assistant who can think. I never hired assistants who I wanted to be mini mes or clones of me or go out and say.www. but when you impose a maximal effort on somebody. I want to see his stability.

and these are guys Joel: www. It’s definitely out there. then why we even recruit football players why don't we just recruit Olympic lifters. from the athlete’s viewpoint. There’s certain types of lifting I don’t agree with with football players. and he looked at all successful people from Bill Gates to the Beatles to Wayne Gretzky. And by that I mean if Olympic lifting makes you a better football player. then get out. you got to run it.8weeksout. just have a bunch of mini mes so your ego can be stroked and so you can sell product and make money. And if you look at Malcolm Gladwell's book called the Outliers he discusses why people become successful Joel. I’ve always told people as strength coaches we’re one small entity involved in a program.000 rep rule. you’re up shit creek because it’s the program. Obviously everybody knows I do not do Olympic lifting.000 hour rule or in lifting I’ll call it the 10. Is there any advice you have when you may get stuck in a situation like that where you just feel like the guy’s not meeting your needs? Buddy: Well from an athletic standpoint. it’s their system.com . somebody that’s going to make you better. Now. let’s say the assistant strength coach or maybe an athlete and a team doesn't necessarily agree with the training principles or with what the head training coach is doing. How would you suggest they address that? Because I know there's a lot of assistants out there who have questions about why their training coaches is doing what they're doing and rather than ask them or rather than bring something up they tend to just go with it or athletes as well. somebody you can trust.8] two primarily neurological [inaudible 0:32:13. Quit trying to create mini mes. they’re not improving but they just feel they have to go with it. That’s not what the profession is about.com understand what you’re trying to do.000 reps to become average at their sport.2] skills that don't support each other. I think Olympic lifting is a great sport within itself.www. but I always believe that the human body is incapable of [inaudible 0:32:11. The athletes may not see the benefit of what they're doing or they feel like they're not getting more explosive. from every different walk of life and obviously it’s being born in the right place and the right time. Olympic lifters need to achieve at least 10.8weeksout. That’s one of the things I’m against in this profession. the most overlooked is still the ability to play the game. People forget that the most important criteria. Joel: Buddy: Okay. If you can’t function in the system. But there’s a thing he refers to as the 10.

com . you coach what you know.that’s your business. and more explosive. Olympic lift. I am not against Olympic lifting. But it’s no different from maximal [inaudible 0:33:43. but we're not very good at it. I’ve been doing this for 31 years and I cannot look at you and say. “You know what? We got great squatters” because we don’t. It's just not one way. how to reverse it. I just have never done it and our athletes have always gotten bigger. That’s a constant work in progress and the same thing about bench pressing. well why are you going to do it? Let them master the basics first. [inaudible 0:33:44. It drives me nuts when I talk to a coach and he says.. That’s what they compete at. how to [inaudible 0:34:21. Trust me. Again. I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck for my athletes in the shortest amount of time. I think you have to look at the man in the sport.9 .0] sprints.. Like I said. If you’re a high jumper or Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. If your sport produces force directly vertical as you do in Olympic lifts and by all means. How many guys actually take the time to teach their athlete a bench press? How to get setup. You know.000 reps.www.0] which is easier to teach which I'm going to get the most bang for my buck.sounds like defend with it]. I’m just saying it does not have to be done like it’s been jammed down our throats for so many years.1] to skin a cat. Joel: Buddy: Yeah. I’m not taking a shot at guys who [do] Olympic lifts. Yeah." If you’re not very good at it.how to put it back in the rack. faster. the highest recruitment or activation is with the Olympic lifts. If you want to do it . So why would I train them to be something that they’re going to be less than average at? And again.com that are doing it 365 days a year 52 weeks a year. It’s a primary concern. how to get setup tight. Then again. how to take the bar out of the rack. it’s their sports.sounds like pyrometers] and explosive med ball [inaudible 0:33:46. how to load. which if you buy Charlie’s products and you listen to Charlie speak. definitely.8weeksout. Understand there’s many roads lead to [inaudible 0:34:48. stronger.8weeksout. There's so many factors you have to look at. And the biggest thing is if you look at a motor unit activation chart.4 . Yeah and I agree with you on that one. how to lock it. "The Olympic lift. In 3 to 5 years the athletes I’m responsible for will never ever achieve 10.

what I want to say. I see a lot of people these days wanting to use the Olympic lifts for fighting and I’m sorry but there’s very.. 3 hours. So train in the horizontal plane. But I can do a standing broad jump I think is more important for a football player.com .8weeksout. There’s even less of that in a combat sport and yet you see a lot of guys thinking that the Olympic lift is really the only way to be explosive so all they're going to do is train Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. …you can’t do it..6 yards a second and that doesn't happen until 14 or 16 meters that’s in a vertical plane. Joel: Definitely and in combat sports even worst. If you’re going to try and teach them Olympic lifts on top of that. There’s… You’re going to confuse the body and here’s what kills me. then I can see the use for it. He loses contact with his sport [inaudible 0:35:53. [inaudible 0:36:32.www. I mean… Can’t do it. and the technical aspects of teaching the Olympic lifts like you said. Particularly in combat sports. We'll never achieve maximal speed on a playing field or playing surface. We spend all our time in the horizontal plane. let alone they’ve got to spend 6 hours. . especially a lineman. It’s just now a very common movement… Naw. There’s certain indicators that will give you a great understanding or give you a great. whatever training the skills of fighting. The late great Charlie Francis will tell you that. The elastic reactive response that propels the human body forward does not come into play until you're running 7 meters or 7.com some sport that requires tremendous vertical acceleration. Joel.3]. 4 hours. Guys doing hang clings and pulling their feet off the ground. When is the last time you saw an Olympic lifter pull his feet off the ground? Nope. …you don’t need it. But if your sport isn’t one of those sports… Buddy: Joel: You don’t need it.5] signature athletes can do. As football players we spend all our time in acceleration and deceleration.8weeksout. There’s so many skills of fighting to learn. very few opportunities and times in combat sport where you’re producing force from the ground straight vertical. than going into a vertical plane.

I’m not telling you how to program. If you like the Olympic lifts. The first thing and people just [inaudible 0:37:30.8weeksout. I’m not coaching an Olympic lifter. The only thing I'll say real quick is worst than that is trying to do that for time in the old cross fit doing clings for 2 minutes straight as many reps as you can get. it’s crazy. Definitely. but like I said that’s your decision. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Oh yeah. exactly. Fatigue sets in. the first thing goes out the door is technique. Or just the fact that you say you want to develop explosiveness and power with them. I couldn’t agree more.1] fatigue.4]. we can argue about it just like an atheist and a Christian can argue about who’s their God.8weeksout. I just made it my decision I’m not going to do them. It’s just some people use them and they think they get benefits from them and more power to them. that’s an open invitation for injury. No question. [inaudible 0:37:46. Again Joel. It’s your decision. …I tend to not use them a whole lot. Exactly. I’m not telling you how to coach your athletes. Yeah. you’re comfortable with them. but then you’re going to do it for 2 minutes straight. That’s your decision. You can’t tell me how it works driving to achieve perfection technically wise because they’re very technicallyoriented lifts.com . If I ever coach an Olympic lifter. There’s pros and cons and we can sit here and argue all day long. Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www.www. if you want to do them do them. Yep. but… Yep. I agree. I’ll start doing lots of Olympic lifts but until that happens.com explosively and they think Olympic lifts are the most explosive lifts so that's what they're going to do. I guarantee. I’m coaching football players. I mean how many of those are explosive? [inaudible 0:37:39. That’s an open invitation for a highly technical skilled moved.6] because your last rep is not going to look like your first rep.

Then playing football should make you a better Olympic lifter. Alan De Janeiro. we better find another way. you know.1]. then maybe we can push them towards an Olympic sport or Olympic progression of getting them involved in the [inaudible 0:39:21. Think what happened and I started in the profession in 1980 and in 1984 the NFCA was developed. the more I’ve learned and the more I’ve read. Once Joel: Buddy: Buddy: www. your decision. right? Yeah. you do what you want to do. James Smith." And again.8weeksout. Now. but if Olympic lifting is so valuable and it makes you a better football player.8weeksout. It does work absolutely like all programs work. Michael Hope and of the countless amount of interns we've had. and antiquated. So in my mind I'm thinking. B equals A. You know. But like anything we do in this country.com . its failed miserably because I haven't seen [inaudible 0:39:32. But back in the day. how has your approach to the training evolved over the years? I’m sure it’s continually evolving and it’s going to be different in 10 years from what it is now. I’ve been fortunate enough to have great colleagues and great assistants. you’ve been around this sport or this profession I should say since it really was a profession.1 . but were the biggest things you’ve changed over the years as a physical preparation coach? Well. if they don't make it to the NFL. but it'll only get you about 2 years. I just don't think it's for football and again like you and I have discussed. How have your views as far as training. the more I’ve realized what I don’t know and the more I understand that there are people out there who are pretty doggone good at what they do.www. Teach them Olympic lifting in college. Tom [inaudible 0:40:44. not anything but most things. Joel: Definitely.com Buddy: Again one more time and I don’t want to harp on the point Joel. then if A equals B. outdated.sounds like not stand] on the platform since 1968 when Irv Schmanski won bronze medal. if we're not winning we must be doing something wrong and what we've been doing over the last 40/50 years ain't been working. you would think so. and I don’t see us recruiting Olympic lifters to play football.7] year and put them and help in a more selection pool for the Olympic lifts. I was just a progressive overload guy [inaudible 0:40:53. It amaze me in the NFL how I get guys from all these top programs first 2 years they make great games obviously because they're a novice. "Well. I love watching it. I don’t see our Olympic lifters playing football. I think it's a great sport.0] which now I have come to understand is old. I'm a firm believer that part of the reason the NFCA was developed was to filter athletes into the sport of Olympic lifting.

Everybody wants the short results.8weeksout.3] are strong enough to bench 300 [inaudible 0:42:21. So myself. who Tommy recruited from a major top 5 program. Now that’s 4 years of a program. and then put them into the hole. I think it goes back to the over volumization. and his dumbbell bench from 100 lbs. We had one athlete.9]? Buddy: Joel: www. and the problem is you see some little study come out that says high intensity training produce better results than low intensity training over a 6-week period. and did dumbbell bench in the hundreds for 8 reps. And when I say put them into the hole that means you do not have to train maximally all the time. James have always taken apart hole approach. “If your [inaudible 0:42:19. Joel. fix them. Some maximal loading because it's so valuable for the athlete. didn’t give up a sack in 4 years of college football.com the body starts to figure things out. over intensification of this country. for 22 reps. I’m not mimicking a scene like we figured it out because we haven’t and this is just one extreme example. He was an offensive lineman. and I’m not patting ourselves on the back. and you can ask Tommy this when you interview Tommy. There's a lot to be said for some maximal loading.com . We had him for 2 years Joel and through our programming. and Michael Hope. then the games don't come so fast do they? So I was always interested to see how much gain as you became more experienced from your junior to senior year and then your senior year and beyond. he squatted about 455. how much do you think they’re going to bench?" 250. a 455 to a 500 plus squat. Look at the parts where they come down. That's why Poliquin developed his chart. He came to us he benched 340 in Cleveland.www. Joel: Buddy: Right. The holes are some of the parts and some of the parts are always greater than the hole. Tommy. But he went from a 340 to a 405 bench. What about the rest of the [inaudible 0:43:26. what happens the rest of the year? Yeah. Well. Alan. Joel: Yeah.8weeksout. for 8 reps went to 100 lbs. So I firmly believe it was our programming and addressing the individual components of the athlete. you'd be surprised how often my guys do not go above 85% in programming even with special exercises. strengthen them. Louie always told me a long time ago.1] strong enough to bench 250.

I mean. Louie Simmons hits on it. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. They didn’t see any further improvements… Yep. You have your accelerant and decelerant.8weeksout. But this is very sympathetic dominant. Yeah. Yep. it's very sympathetic dominant. it’s going to work. Let me try to explain to you why James’ approach of the high/low approach is so valuable. and the people you use were very novice people anyway. and really requires a good 72 hours of recovery between sessions. Exactly. it boggles my mind that the whole [inaudible 0:43:44. When you train at 95% and above. exactly. over bastardized study out there talking about the high intensity intervals versus the continuous lower intensity volume. sorry.www. it’s a very high C and S stress training which the development of a lactic [inaudible 0:44:39.com . and they were basically PE students to the Japanese university and their progress in the high intensity group stalled after about 3 weeks.com Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: That’s 6 weeks. you have two branches in the nervous system.6 . People who are the best in the world have a tremendous understanding of it.sounds like tabota] research is probably the most overused. You have understand Joel that this high stress training is No. … [inaudible 0:44:07. Pick a high level athlete and do that to them and see what happens.8weeksout. And Charlie Francis hit on it. 1 anticirculatory. and they had literally I think 6 or 7 people in each group. It still boggles my mind that… Pick a high level athlete. speed reserves.9] 3 weeks and you're going to extrapolate that to all athletics and all levels of sport and tell me the high intensity is what you should do all the time because in this one study for 6 weeks they saw slightly better results every 6 weeks.3] capacity.. So no matter what you do. Go head.. It increases neuro demand. …freedom.

Youth was wasted on the young. Obviously if you look at this. It's circulatory. lactic power. the only reason these people are getting away with it is obviously because you're dealing with some very young athletes and youth. So you superimpose [inaudible 0:46:06. Joel: Yeah.www.5 . then you're going to understand that it's going to inhibit an aerobic enzyme and mitochondria production and everybody knows the more mitochondria you have the greater the energy source.com . you develop your aerobic capacity and power. This is why we have gone to a high C and S. Monday we’re going agility work and Olympic lifts. in other words. it’s not because they couldn’t do some drill or some test www. 75% or less. Where is the time to secure the high adaptation to the high C and S stressor? It doesn't occur. Decrease resistance. the greater energy source the faster you clear lactic anyway. Well. Okay. Wednesday we're going to take off. what James talked about and everybody talks about Charlie and everybody talks about medium C and S stress training from like 76 to 94% because it's very lactic. You know. that’s why you have people burning out. Lactic capacity. The great thing about circulatory is it increases capillar density.sounds like glycolictic] and aerobic training effects which cause a profound impact in adaptation.8weeksout. increase heat or temperature. The reason we stay out of. Tuesday we're going to do speed work and Olympic lifts. It secures the high C and S stress adaptation.8weeksout.3] of the nervous system which in other words it brings you down. I think if more people had the tools like the omega wave and had some way of seeing what they’re doing themselves and seeing the impact that their training is having. So it's pro-circulatory. And again. and Thursday and Friday we're going to repeat again.6] sympathetic [inaudible 0:45:31." So that's why we've gone to doing what we do. that’s why you have teams breaking down. That’s why we get these injuries. Increase capillar density. it only requires 24 hours of recovery between sessions but more importantly here's what it does. that old philosophy or the old cliché. "Youth is wasted on youth. low C and S. Joel: Buddy: Right. It keeps like we talked about motor neurons heated so you have a lower electrical resistance. It’s not because they couldn’t pass a functional movement screen.8] stress training day with a low C and S training day. Guys that are going C and S and intensive everyday.com When you follow a high intensity day or high intensity [inaudible 0:45:04. It resets the [inaudible 0:45:30. they would have a big awakening of what you’re doing everyday and killing yourself. increase motor unit activation. or the high/low approach.

Exactly. I don’t have a job so right away the first thing I do is start punishing myself so I train 6 days a week straight in a weight room and I went to Kung Fu Monday and Wednesday with my stepson. but today in the gym I actually grabbed a 100 lb. She wasn't satisfied and that's why cross fit has become so popular because people can pound their chest like a gorilla and say. I love my wife to death. One of the indicators I use. Joel: Buddy: www. [inaudible 0:49:43. Joel.6] I can hardly get out of bed in the morning it's not because I'm 54. Joel. What did you do?" I trained today. It’s funny because she’s now training for a triathlon. I know I’m C and S fried. And again. Joel: Buddy: Yeah. dumbbells and do 6 reps on a dumbbell incline and I’ve seen her do it. it's a dumbbell incline and I did 14 reps. Now that I’ve hit a wall…my stepson had mono.6] 208 and I don't want to talk about my training because I'm not the strongest person in the world. Being in the situation I am in now.2] competitor. don’t get me wrong. Now. It had nothing to do with being the fact that we're older.8weeksout. dumbbell. But her idea of training was to track herself out of the gym everyday. That ain't bad. I hit about 2 weeks and then hit a wall.com . it's because I'm C and S fried. I know if I’m very sensitive to light going from indoors to outdoors I’m very C and S fried. One of the things I try to teach and educate in my own life and my family to the fact that you don't have to crawl out of the gym. "I trained today. And don’t get me wrong because I can do that to myself sometimes. because I don't have an omega wave Joel. [inaudible 0:49:20. my wife and I both went through a bout of mono because we could hardly get out of bed. At 50 years of age. People just don’t want to understand that. I think we just depleted ourselves. So I adjust my program accordingly based on me. Buddy: Here’s a perfect example. the woman can still grab 50 lb. If I’m walking around the house and my little finger curls up. It’s because they were fried because they were over trained for years on end.8weeksout. She’s [inaudible 0:47:46.www. what I found at my age I can go 2 weeks hard and then I can take a week off and just de-load everything and I'm still able to make games.com properly. My wife Monica is one of the most best athletes I’ve ever been around Joel. but I didn't beat the piss out of myself so I can train tomorrow and get better results. is my grip strength.

8weeksout. Give the body time to stabilize itself. I didn’t do it. When you set a record or establish a new mark. when I did that Joel that was it. I had daughters. I hate when kids come to me and say. movements are specific movements being trained.com . Mini cars you can't and that's what I appreciate about James because James had a very intuitive understanding of his skill guys and what they could and couldn't handle. Tommy and I’ve always said. They are two of the best things you can do for your kids growing up. but he went through gymnastics first Joel which has helped support the development of his Kung Fu. My wife had two sons. Definitely. the more sensitive you have to be to them because you’re dealing with them because they’re dealing with sedans. And the higher performance athletes you have. I was done.4] track background. You’re not going to accomplish anything else. and I got a young high school kid and he comes to me. Joel: Buddy: Yeah. I mean track and field is one of the greatest sporting activities in this country.6]. it took Yuri Sedik 18 days to recover for one world record throw. Sedans you can run all day. you’re done. Want to become explosive? Go out for track… Yeah. …and see what happens. Gymnastics when they’re young followed by martial arts. Exercise is specific exercises being trained. That’s what people don’t understand. You’re not going to become a better athlete.2] to the off season. Gymnastics when the kids are young and track and a multitude of sports as they get older.com Joel: Buddy: No. [inaudible 0:51:05. Her youngest son who lives with us now is pretty doggone good at Kung Fu. Walk away. Now. Joel . I went on to another exercise because I had set a record.www. "All I'm going to do is [inaudible 0:50:55.” Guess what? The only thing you're better at is being a weightlifter. I threw a shot and disc in high school myself so I can definitely attest to the value of adding that in gymnastics.8weeksout. he’s… [inaudible 0:50:46. Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. it’s good.

how do you think your athletes are going to feel? But if you’re reading your program and writing a program that’s making you tired. Like I said. We should have our highly skilled professionals on the very beginning level to develop our athletes.8weeksout. Train them to train because they didn’t have work habits. Yeah. Joel: Buddy: Absolutely. people like Bill Gates are always going to be smarter than Buddy Morris. We got to develop proper work habits. Is there anybody else or who do you Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. People have no idea what they’re doing are developing our athletes.com Joel: In actually about 20 minutes Matt Hume is bringing his two little sons here. We don’t develop our athletes anymore. and Alan. Here’s what I think the biggest mistake we make in this country. So I’ve always told people if you can’t explain it to a waitress on a napkin. Charlie Francis always told me.www. Well looks like time is just about up here. made things easy for us so our work habits are horrible. how is your athlete going to feel?” Just because you write some program you got to be Einstein to figure out doesn’t mean the program’s going to be successful. Right. I don't care what program you use. They run next door to the gym and train there for MMA and hit the bag and do all their MMA training down there. but the computers ruined this country. It should be reversed. Probably the reason we separate our freshmen from our older guys when they came as freshmen Joel is to teach them how to work. That’s good advice. It has once again made us lazy. That’s true. Maybe 4 and 2 years old so when those kids get older.8weeksout. I want to kind of wrap things up by you've mentioned a lot of names in the sport that have influenced you. I don't care who your strength coach is if you don't work hard you're not going to be successful. Yeah. When it should be reversed. “If you’re reading a program and it’s boring you. At a very early age. then don’t bother talking about it. These are all guys that I'm planning on bringing on board and have all talked to about contributing to the site and I'm thankful for that.com . Our supposed best strength coaches are our highest level. It's that simple and that's the one underlying ingredient and component we all forget about. you’re going to want to look out for them. Charlie Francis and having James Smith and Michael Hope and Russ Linski [sp].

So who do you recommend people start with? I always tell them. Great.sounds like It ain't a] psychologist who coined the term the stress of life. Or the guy who developed the word stress." Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers by Sapolsky because it's going to teach you about stress and about how the body adapts to it. Michael [inaudible 0:55:14.com . Exactly. [inaudible 0:55:13. Now. So anytime Yousef Johnson puts on a seminar and brings in the [inaudible 0:55:41.9] a couple of times at Penn State.7]. Canadian [inaudible 0:54:41.9] in Cleveland is I knew that Judd had trained under [inaudible 0:56:02. and you’re constantly looking just to learn. "Before you do anything. Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: That’s a great book. My youngest daughter is going to be a nurse. Those two books are…I think Malcolm Gladwell’s book the Outliers…because it will help you understand what it takes to be successful. Well. and one of the reasons I spoke with [inaudible 0:55:59. There’s some things that are in there that are wrong that we know nowadays are different. So anything by Zadsorski [SP]. I had the chance to talk to a good friend of mine John Logan. I tell you what.5 . if you look at that book and I’ve read it.8weeksout. Right now if I was anybody.com recommend to the people listening to this to go out and learn from because really I think that's what separates guys like yourself and those I just mentioned from a lot of the other strength coaches or trainers or whatever out there is you guys are constantly looking to educate yourself in different areas.” And that’s the first thing they say to recovery for an addict is you have to admit.. but I think that’s one of the most important things you can do.8weeksout.. “Goddamn am I stupid. You can get Val to write anything that is. obviously Louie Simmons.3] check or you can read Clings by Stuart McGill.sounds like Bonder Chuck].4 . but Trasanski. You're constantly looking to evolve your training. Michael [Yeses].www. and I wanted to see from an athlete's perspective and get Judd's input on Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: www. Great book. when we brought Val to Cleveland I sat there and my jaw just hit the table and I’m thinking to myself. go read.3]. I admitted I was dumb. I’d get right to Charlie Francis’ website and order everything on Charlie’s website like I have. I’ve had her read it. Hans Selye. When Tommy and I were in Cleveland we visited [inaudible 0:55:07.

Yeah. I can’t stand when people say I’m old school. [inaudible 0:56:48.com .2]. It’s a little different story when you’re not getting the cream of the crop. We’ve been successful. that's why these guys have been so valuable to me because they tell me the truth. this is business.” Well. Definitely. “You know. Old school is an excuse for being dumb.www. tell me what you really think. Joel. I want people who can make my program better.com some things as far as training what he had learned from Bonder Chuck.” Explain to me what you see. But obviously like I told you Joel. well I’m sure you will continue to do it and find a place to do it soon and you’re truly one of the great physical preparation coaches out there. My first couple of years at Pitt. Because then you’ve really got to look at their movement patterns and really look at them as individuals to put them in the best possible position to be successful and that’s what we’ve done for 31 years. I think we can it better if we do it this way” and I’m always open to somebody saying that. I don't want a bunch of mini mes running around. And don’t take it personally. I say. So I truly thank you for doing this interview with me and for being Joel: Buddy: Joel: www. and I learned a lot just listening to Charles Poliquin and Louie speak in 1997. Joel. make me smarter. I'm no dummy. James Smith. I've gotten people who are my assistants who are smarter than me. It’s an excuse for not going out and wanting to learn and it’s just an excuse for saying. You know what the hardest thing I did was? Joel: Buddy: What’s that? Open the door and turn the lights on. Tell me what we probably can improve and that’s why we’ve had some great interns who have sat me down and said. “Okay. I’m a big boy. Tell me why you would do it and how you would do it. My ego isn't that big where I got say no and I want everybody to bow down and worship me and just preach my program is the end all to be all. you know what? Maybe you’ve been successful because you’re a great athlete. you limit your abilities because if you limit your abilities.8weeksout.8weeksout. One thing as the head guy. Michael Hope. I want people to look at my program and say you can do it better if you do this and that's why Alan DeGenarro. I’ve always said if you limit your knowledge. we were 11 and 1. and it just works out for the betterment of the program. So you got to find ways to get them better. you limit the development of your athlete. “You know what? I’ve always done it this way. No.

I appreciate the opportunity to be a part of your site and do the inaugural interview with you and it’s an honor for me to be part of those people having learned from them as I have over the past couple of years. I appreciate it and I look forward to it. more interviews. It’s great having you and like I said this isn’t the last…people are going to hear from you. They have really been invaluable tools for me.www. Joel. Thanks for listening.8weeksout. Make sure and check the website for more updates. Thanks. So thanks again. This is Joel Jamieson. We’ll definitely get you involved in lots of programs and products and just getting information out there because that’s what this is all about just educating people and continuing to educate ourselves. 8weeksout. Bye.com. I appreciate your time. We’ll hear from you again soon. Bye bye. Buddy: I agree with you 100% and once again Joel. and they’ve really helped me and the athletes I’m responsible for become better. Yep.8weeksout. Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: Buddy: Joel: www.com a part of the site. but really to educate the public at large and one another really because there’s not a whole lot of us out there I think who come from a similar ideological background or have read and learned from the same people and the more we can help open people’s eyes and get them to look at the broader picture I think the better really. and more great information on physical preparation for athletic performance coming soon.com . Not necessarily just to stroke each other’s ego. This is something I’ve really wanted to do was bring guys like you and Tom and Alan and Michael and James and the group of us together that have all kind of shared similar beliefs and philosophies. All right. all right? Thanks. So thanks again for coming on.

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