INTERVIEW TO OUR

VENERABLE MASTER SAMAEL AUN

WEOR
Radio University (Radio Universidad)
Mexico 1977

INTERVIEW TO OUR VENERABLE MASTER SAMAEL AUN WEOR

Radio University (Radio Universidad)

Mexico 1977
Q Master Samael Aun Weor we would like to ask you, what is the
Gnostic movement and what are its objectives?
A - The Gnostic movement is what currently takes care of GNOSIS.
GNOSIS stands for wisdom and knowingness. It covers four aspects we could
call Science, Philosophy, Art and Transcendental Mysticism. The objective of
our Gnostic Movement is to take the Gnostic teachings to humanity without
making a difference between race, sects, origin, sex or color.
GNOSIS coexists with all archaeological items, within every niche,
pyramid or tomb. What is interesting is wisely extracting GNOSIS according to
the rules of all archaeological items found not only here in Mexico, but anywhere
around the world.
Q Master; as part of the Gnostic-scientific teachings, a lot is said about
the lost world of Atlantis. What could you teach us about this?
A- For certain Platos Atlantis has stopped being a mere myth to become
an effective, realistic fact. Recently, a group of scientists who parted from Spain
were getting ready to explore Atlantis. It is well known by maritime experts that
there is a platform on the bottom of the ocean, between Europe and America.
Unquestionably, that platform is Atlantis.
Some other time, this continent existed and was inhabited by many
millions of humans. It extended from the South to the North Pole and withheld a
powerful civilization, but it later sunk to the waves of the Ocean.
Without a doubt, Atlantis disappeared as a consequence of another
movement that exists and happens to this planet. I refer to the revolution of our
Earths axes (because there not only exists the rotation around the axis itself, nor
the displacement (orbit) of our Planet; there is another movement known by the
astronomical sciences, and that is the rotation of our Earths axes).
So, when our Earths axes underwent this tremendous periodic revolution,
Atlantis submerged. The vertical switching of the poles was more than enough
to cause the sea to change its beds, leading to bury Atlantis under the Ocean.
There is plenty of proof to the existence of Atlantis. For starters, lets
remember vases and utensils found within the ruins of Troy, discovered by a
German archaeologist. Vases made out of marble, ceramic and stone, utensils

and materials with the signature of the King Cronos of Atlantis, and vases of the
same kind with coins carrying the same signature of the king were found in
Central America.
Commemorative plaques of what happened in Atlantis are found in Lhasa
(Tibet) and in Central America as well, where Atlantis is remembered as the
country of the limestone hills that sank to the bottom of the Ocean during a
great catastrophe. Books from ancient groups such as the Codex of The East
and The West remember in their sacred writings such event.
In addition, our racial characteristics are by themselves more than enough
proof to give testimonial to the existence of Atlantis, for example here in our
dearest country of Mexico, the Yucatecas. If we walk ourselves to an area like
Toluca, we will find the oblique eyes so common in the Japanese and Chinese
races. This is more than enough proof to show us a common link between East
and West and obviously, such a link is the only thing that is able to explain the
similarities among these races. Nevertheless, if we focus on language and refer
to Atlas (from ancient Greece, carrying the world on his shoulders), Atlas shows
the root of the Atlantis. This reminds us, precisely, of the submerged continent.
As time elapses and investigations continue, more and more evidence will
continue to demonstrate the existence of Atlantis. But what is most important is
that these archaeological pieces will be brought up from the bottom of the ocean
to eliminate any trace of doubt from those who still do not believe.
Q Master Samael Aun Weor; it has been said that those who inherited
the Culture of Atlantis could have been the Egyptians, or the Mayans, or maybe
the Incas. What could you tells us about this?
A - Well, both the East and the West share the legacy from Atlantis.
Without going too deep into this, lets remind ourselves that in Egypt exist Mayan
Pyramids. This by itself is absolutely amazing. We should not forget the NAGAMAYA alphabet from the Tibet. The Mayan alphabet is similar to the Tibetan
NAGA, and there is even a phrase part of the biblical gospel attributed to our
Lord Jesus. It is said that in the Golgotha he said: "HELI, HELI, LAMAH
ZABACTANI". The Jews asked themselves, What is he saying? Perhaps he
calls for Eliah or some of the prophets... lets see if Eliah comes to save him
(while they bobbed their head making fun of him).
The Jews did not understand the significance of this phrase. It was
neither Hebrew, nor Sanscrit, not Tibetan. However, any Mayan scholar from
Guatemala will be able to translate this immediately. The phrase means for
any Mayan from either from Yucatan or Guatemala: Now I may submerge into
the greatness of your presence...
Jesus of Nazareth spoke the Mayan language. Obviously the Mayan
language comes from Atlantis. Prior to that great continent submerging itself into

the deepness of the ocean, the Mayan race had spread throughout the East and
the West of this world. Mayans colonized the Tibet and Egypt, and we have that
testimonial in the NAGA-MAYA alphabet of the Tibetans and in the Egyptian
pyramids. That is how the East and the West inherited the vast knowingess of
the Altanteans.
Q Master Samael Aun Weor: back in 1947, in a series of caves or
caverns near the Dead Sea, the famous "Scripts from the Dead Sea" were
found, What could you tell us about those scriptures?
A The Scripts from the Dead Sea belong to the ESENIOS. Those
metallic rolls of scriptures were pulled out from caves and it was no easy task to
neither interpret them nor translate them, particularly because the scripts had to
be cut in small fragments. After much effort the interpretation and translation
were possible and we have them under our custody. That is what matters.
The scriptures talk about the knowledge of the ESENIOS, a Hebrew, Jew
sect with outstanding ancient knowledge. Such sect lived close to the shore of
the Dead Sea. The ESENIOS were wise in its utmost sense. They knew about
the ancient teachings and they were dedicated to the work on their Self. It is
obvious that they achieved great transformations within their psychosomatic,
within their mystical-sensorial and transcendental planes. They achieved the
AWAKENING OF THE CONSCIOUSNESS, what else?
Q There is a theory that states Jesus Christ could have been educated
and trained by the ESSENIANS. What would make this a valid theory?
A Well, what has happened is that these scriptures quote the MASTER
OF RIGHTNESS, who existed some five centuries B.C. and it has been
misinterpreted who the MASTER OF RIGHTNESS was with the historical Jesus,
our Great Master Jesus, The Christ.
We also have to understand that this MASTER OF RIGHTNESS cited by
the ESENIOS is not necessarily a historical figure. Lets see him as a
psychological-individual prototype of the human beings. From this perspective,
there should be no further confusions.
It is also obvious that the Superior Being in each human creature,
according to the ancient traditions that have been lost in the terrible night of all
ages, is CHRISTIC in a great way. It is great shame that these teachings and
learnings have been lost. It is because of this that this human race has fallen in
such a way. No wonder in these times, CHRIST is seen as a historical figure,
instead of translating it into the PROTOTYPE OF HUMANE PERFECTION in
each and every one of us.
Q With the discovery of the Dead Sea Scriptures, a great deal of issues
arose with the difficulty there was to decipher them, but I also understand a

shroud of silence covered the subject. Could you tell us the reason behind that
silence?
A Actually, people were enthusiastic at first for the discovery of the
Dead Sea Scriptures, but that all stopped when people were not able to
understand the meaning of such scriptures, and for a period of time, people
forgot about them. However, there are people who still study them.
I believe it would be the right thing to study them because they contain
transcendental esoteric teachings, that when adequately understood, will shed
light to many obscure corners of our comprehension.
Q Master: in all antique book, traditions and legends, people have
always talked about flying objects. In the RAMAYANA, for example, flying
objects similar to flying saucers. All antique cultures talk about the same. We
would like you to tell our audience, what kind of people live in those ships; are
they extraterrestrials? Did they live in our planet thousands of years ago and for
various circumstances they were forced to leave, or did they go extinct or did
they disappear? We would appreciate if you told us something about this.
A With utmost pleasure we will talk about all these questions related to
extraterrestrials.
To me these are not theories or subjects of an utopist nature, I have had
direct experiences with them and I have known them. It comes to my mind, right
at this moment, an encounter I had with extraterrestrials.
I was at the Lyons Desert here in our Federal District of Mexico when all
of a sudden an unidentified flying object descended on the forest. Moved by
curiosity I walked to the area to find an elliptical ship supported by a steel tripod.
A porthole opened and a man walked down a stairway. Around eleven
other people followed him; all of them were slim and not too tall. Their foreheads
were wide, eyes were blue with copper-like skin.
I approached the man who I thought wouldve been the Captain of the
ship (the one who stepped outside first), I greeted him and it was great my
amazement when he replied back in perfect Spanish I would have expected
anything except to find extraterrestrials able to speak Spanish.
All those who walked down the stairwell with him sat down in some logs
that were in the area. I asked the Captain:
I am a writer and I would appreciate if you could take me to another
planet:
To which planet would that be? He replied back.

Mars I said
Mars? That is just right there (another answer that amazed me).
Right there? I asked myself, to what this man had replied with such
easiness, as if it had been as easy as going to a corner store.
All my requests were useless. I told him I wanted to write about the life in
other planets, and bring back material proof to convince the people in our
planet. I made it clear that Earthlings were skeptical about life in other planets,
that they were non-believers and materialistic; that is would be useless for me to
go to another planet without being able to bring back proof, because even if I
knelt down and shed blood-tears from my eyes to convince them, they would still
not believe, unless there were some material proof to demonstrate it. I had to
bring them something; an apparatus, a rare rock, an animal, because they are
incredibly skeptic and materialistic.
Well, after saying all this, the Captain remained silent. One of the ladies
stood up and said:
If we place a non-aromatic plant beside another one that is, one will
impregnate the other with its smell, right?
Of course I said.
The same thing will happen with different worlds. She continued,
Worlds that in the past were suffering, with perverse humanities, were
impregnated with the vibrations from neighbor worlds and nowadays are doing
very well, but we have just arrived to this planet and as you see, that does not
happen. What is wrong with this planet?
The question was terrible; I had to reflect for a while. At last I said:
This planet has been a mistake from the gods. And went on to round off
my concept stating: This planet Earth is the Karma of other worlds (KARMA is
an oriental word that means cause and effect, to such cause, such effect).
The lady agreed, and so did all the others.
They stood up. I knew they were leaving, so I took advantage of the
moment and once again I repeated my request. The man looked at me and said
On the way we will see! as he pointed up with his index finger.
Then I understood what those men were; speaking little but saying a lot.
For them, the word is GOLD.
Those words made me happy. We stretched our hands and all of them

returned to the interior of their ship. I stood back at a prudent distance,

considering the radiation could finish me right then and there, and I could see
from a distance the very same instant when that ship started spinning in its axis
and levitating, until it got lost within the infinite.
This happened to me and from that day, the subject on extraterrestrials is
very serious. I am totally out of curiosity; I understood that to become an
intergalactic traveler, I would have first to get rid of all my psychological defects.
I know that until I my dignity is not enough to become part of that crew, the only
thing I can do is sigh. I am now dedicated to address and eliminate all my
defects, and one of these days the Captain will return and stand up to his word.
There is no doubt that the ship that descended within the forest was part
of a mother ship that remained in orbit.
In one of the South American countries a similar event happened, but with
far more luck than mine. Certain person who was part of an Oriental (esoteric)
school received a visit from extraterrestrials early in the morning. This person
was taken on ship to Ganymede and was shown the civilization that existed then
and there. The extraterrestrials even proposed the person to stay in Ganymede
(Ganymedes is a satellite that orbits Jupiter. Jupiter has 12 moons). However,
the person was brought back to Earth upon his request. He wanted to give away
all his material belongings to his brother.
He was brought back, he formally handed everything to his brother: his
house, his car, his money, everything. He invited his friends and family to a
farewell dinner and told them he was on his way to a long trip, without even
telling them where he was going.
While they were having dinner, the ship landed in his back yard.
Oh, we understand his family said.
Yes, they are here to pick me up. I am leaving on my own will he said.
He stepped inside the ship and left. What is interesting is that among the
things he left his brother, he left him a mechanical apparatus something better
than a radio or a TV set that would allow him to make contact by solely using
the power of his thoughts with the people of Ganymede. Eventually, his brother
was also taken to Ganymede.
Our Earth cannot be the only inhabited planet. It would be absurd to
believe that among all those billion and billion worlds that make up the infinite
space, that only Earth this grain of sand in space will be exclusive enough to
carry life. That would be a medieval mindset. That is similar to those who
thought back in the middle ages that the Earth was flat, squared and that it was
static in space. Lets remember that Galileo was courageous enough to state it

was round and that it moved around in space and he almost saw himself burnt at
the stake during the time of the Inquisition.
He had to swear, with his hand on the Holy Bible, when he was asked:
Do you swear that Earth is not round and that it does not move
anywhere?
To which he said: I swear but it moves, it moves!
On the same token, thinking that there is only life on Earth and that this is
the only planet that carries life is to think with a medieval mindset. We must be
intelligent and revolutionary on the way we think.
Q Master: you are making me reflect in issues I have always
wondered for example, much has been said about the secrets contained
within the Great Pyramid in Egypt where stellar dates were engraved for
the times of our humanity. Nostradamus also cites these dates and events
that are to come. My question is, does history repeats itself or is it that
men are able to predict their future?
A The Great Pyramid is marvelous. All measurements in the Great
Pyramid are prophetic. In the Great Pyramid was prophesized, with entire clarity,
the Second World War that took place between the years 1939 and 1945. World
War I was also prophesized and that took place between 1914 and 1948. The
great catastrophe that approaches is also prophesized, and we are close to that
one.
Lets remember the Mayans, who are not as ignorant as some people
think. They had great knowingness on subjects like astronomy, and they still do.
At this time, they await the great catastrophe of KATUN-13.
The Mayan KATUN is a precisely defined historical cycle. The previous
12 were met with mathematical exactitude and the next one, the 13th, states
there will be a great catastrophe that will change the geological physiognomy of
our planet. It is obvious that if such an event happens, disaster will strike
humanity and this race will be extinguished in its entirety. However, I believe a
small group will be saved. After every catastrophe, there are survivors. Why
wouldnt it happen now?
We know there is a gigantic, colossal world that is on its way to our planet
Earth. I refer to the TYLER Solar System. The TYLER Solar System has a huge
orbit. By the end of the Lemur Epoch it arrived leading the Lemur continent to
the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. After 10,000 years of volcanic eruptions and
earthquakes the vast continent disappeared. Parts of that continent still remain,
namely Australia and the Easter Island, off the coast of Chile.

By the end of the Atlantis race, a revolution of the Earths axes took
place. Oceans changed their beds and swallowed the continent with its powerful
civilization and it comes again. It will bring with it a great catastrophe.
I am talking about BARNARD-I or HERCOLUBUS.
What I am talking about has been documented. In our Institute we have a
cosmological map, not traced by us, but by Astronomical Observatories it is an
official map. In it has been drawn what will cause this great catastrophe.
HERCOLUBUS is a world six times bigger than Jupiter, thousands of
times bigger than Earth and it is moving towards our orbit. Once at a certain
distance, it will draw the liquid fire from within the earth. Volcanoes will erupt
everywhere and that liquid fire will burn everything on its path.
Once at its closest distance, HERCOLUBUS or BARNARD-I as known
these days will once again cause the revolution of the Earths axes, similar to
what happened to Atlantis. The poles will revert position and they will mark the
Equator and the Equator will mark the Poles. The seas change their beds and
our current continents will submerge under the oceans. Were close to the end
of our Arian Race. Without a doubt, new continents will rise from the bottom of
the seas.
I do not think all of humanity will perish. Obviously there must be
survivors and there will be. There will be a small group of humans that will
become the nucleus for a future race.
But think for a moment that a great catastrophe is coming, that it is in the
very same Astronomical Observatories that the map has been traced this is
official. If it has not been made public, it is because governments have censored
the subject, trying to avoid panic, but this is official.
This is known to the Mayans. While I spent time with them, I asked an
elder:
Will your son see this?
My son will not see this he replied.
And your grandson will he see this?
Yes, my grandson will see it he said.
The Mayans are wise, to the full extent of the word. Those who dare to
say they are ignorant, is because they dont know anything about anthropology.
Q Master Samael Aun Weor, I would like you to tell us about the Law of

SOLIOONENSIUS.
A SOLIOONENSIUS is an interesting law. It happens that close to our
ORS Solar System, exists the BALEOOTO SUN that belongs to a neighbor
solar system. Every now and then, this Sun will come close to our Solar System
of ORS, increasing the electric tension (of our solar system of course) and as a
consequence, the whole humanity suffers a heightened psychosis and extreme
nervousness. This causes an electro-biological alteration in all living species and
that triggers bloodshed and revolution; people revolt and disasters happen
everywhere.
Lets remember the French Revolution. It was caused because of
SOLIOONENSIUS. People revolted against Louis XVI and the guillotine took
care of most of the nobles of that country that was terrible!
The Russian Revolution of 1917 was another product of another
SOLIOONENSIUS.
Some
Gnostic
Masters
were
awaiting
that
SOLIOONENSIUS and knew what would happen in Russia in 1917. Czar
Nicolas head fell and the bolcheviques rose within the chaos and there came
the revolution.
Those SOLIOONENSIUS have always been terrible. There was another
one in Egypt and a Pharaoh together with all his family died. They were impaled
with steel cables, and made a macabre necklace out of them. All the bodies
were then thrown to the Nile. Very much has been said about Pharaohs and
their dynasties, but very little has been said of what has happened between
dynasty and dynasty. During one of those Egyptian SOLIOONENSIUS, a
condition to become a Pharaoh was to have the most eyes (eyes of nobles) in a
vase. The one with the most eyes would become Pharaoh. Think of what that
meant!
Every time a SOLIOONENSIUS arrives in our world, things like these
happen. That is the Lay of SOLIOONENSIUS; it is an electrical tension that
causes alterations to the electro-biological responses of humanity and as you
can see, the result of these disorders is terrible.
Q In our history, there have been cases of men we could call
exceptional I refer to the MUTANTS. What could you explain about those
cases Master Samael?
A Yes, Mutants exist and you could transform into a mutant if you
dissolved your Ego, that Self. The Ego or Self is the source of disasters. It is
a group of passions, hate, violence, resentment, lust, alcohol, etc. Once you are
able to eliminate those defects, that Self, only the Being remains, and the
reason for Being is the Being in itself. Once that Self has been eliminated, the
Being remains and the ABSOLUTE reign.

Mutants are sacred beings. These are beings that managed to

eliminate their Self. They are transformed individuals. Becoming a mutant is
possible and we have methods and systems through which you can dissolve
your psychological self.
Q You mean, one could transform into a Mutant into a person with
higher knowingness, a person with major experiences?
A That is right! You can transform yourself into a mutant if you so
desire. It all relies on knowing the system and the method, and that information
is available in our Institute.
Q Could you give us names of those people who you know have
become reached the state of mutants?
A Yes, there are some mentioned by history and though you may not
believe (because I am quite sure some of you will not believe it), the Count of
Saint Germain, for example, lived in Europe during the XVI, XVII, XVII and XIX
centuries. He participated in the Courts of all Kingdoms; a friend of Marie
Antoinette, friend of Louis XVI. In Australia he is known as PRINCE RAKOSKI.
If I told you Saint Germain is alive nowadays, the only thing I would expect
is disbelief and excommunion and for a good reason; people have never studied
the science of mutants, thats obvious. But for us who have conducted our
investigations in such a field, we know this is possible.
To this day, people have only learned about the official science, and the
official science is not the science of the Universe. I dont think you believe
universities control all there is to know, all the knowledge of the universe.
College will give us experience to earn our living, but by no means controls all
there is to know about our infinite cosmos.
There is a difference between the Official Science and Pure Science.
We have to realize and understand the Official Science is nothing more than
the total of all the theories that were postulated and approved during our time
and those change constantly. Today one theory could be it, and tomorrow it
is not.
Pure Science is something different. For us to participate in the theatre
of Pure Science, we need to open our INTERIOR MIND. There is no doubt
around the fact that Mutants have opened their INTERIOR MIND, and because
of that, they can enter the Theater of Pure Science and handle life.
Modern scientists do not know how to handle or manage life; they know
the mechanics and the phenomena of life because they have studied and
analyzed living cells, but what do they know about the origin of life? Theories
and theories; nothing else. They cannot demonstrate what is the origin of life!

Theories and nothing but theories because they do not know the origin of life!
One can theorize something, and another one can theorize something else as
well, but no one can demonstrate what is the origin of life. They can also
manage and handle the mechanics of a living cell, but not manage or handle its
vitality.
To manage the extent of vitality you need to know Pure Science, and
those who have experienced and opened their INTERIOR MIND are taught
about Pure Science. Whom-so-ever opens their interior mind enters the Theatre
of Cosmic Science, becomes a wise man, in the most transcendental meaning of
the word.
With this, lets make a distinction between two groups of people, those
who know Official Science and those who know Pure Science. Those who
know Official Science will never believe those who are part of Theatre of Cosmic
Science, will never accept them and will never accept their sapience because the
knowingness of those who have learned Pure Science goes far beyond the
capability of those who have learned Official Science.
To enter the Theatre of Cosmic Science, I say again, we have to open our
INTERIOR MIND.
There are three mental centers or three minds. The first we can call
SENSUAL MIND. This one elaborates its concepts from sensorial perceptions
and it knows nothing about that that is real.
The second is the INTERMEDIATE MIND. We deposit all our beliefs in
the intermediate mind. Anyone could believe the Sun exists and some other
person could believe the sun does not exist, but for the Sun it will make no
difference if some believe or some other do not believe in him.
The INTERIOR MIND is something more important. Those who have
opened their interior mind have a direct perception of what is REAL. The interior
mind is COGNITION of the rudiments, of the fundamentals, it knows THAT that
is REAL, and by opening our INTERIOR MIND we will be able to enter the
amphitheatre of Pure Science. Before that, it is not possible.
If I tell you that the Count of Saint Germain lives with his immortal physical
body and I have the courage to state that, I am also absolutely sure that will not
ever be believed. Why? Because there are only but few who have opened their
INTERIOR MIND. Those who have, do know Saint Germain exists.
Q Could you give us the name of anyone who could actually testify the
existence of the Count of Saint Germain?
A On testimonials, there is a very serious one given by GIOVANNI
PAPINI, the consented child of the Vatican (who as a matter of fact, was

excommunicated after writing his book The Devil). He gives testimonial of the
existence of Saint Germain. Giovanni Papini was a serious writer.
As he traveled through the Indian Ocean on the year of 1939 (recently
after the beginning of World War II), he saw an enigmatic character on the ships
quarterdeck. He decided to talk to this character and the man identified himself
as the Count of Saint Germain. He even showed the papers that identified him
as such! Saint Germain was on his way back to Rome, where men of the State
had interviewed him. He (Saint Germain) had tried to convince them to not join
the war, but they were so much into it that he resolved to go back to Asia.
The ship made a stop in Calcutta, where Saint Germain disembarked. A
group of venerable elders (Tibetan Lamas who were looking for him) received
him, and he left with them.
Count Saint Germain told Giovanni Papini he would be back to the
Occidental hemisphere in 1999, but for the moment he marched towards his
Sanctuary in Tibet
Mutants exist, believe it or not.
Q Master Samael Aun Weor: why has there been so much emphasis in
the year 1999? Even you mentioned it as you talked about Count Saint
Germain. Nostradamus also mentions it as a year that will be decisive for
humanity. What could you tell us about it?
A 1999 is a significant date. Nostradamus identifies 1999 as the year of
the great catastrophe. He assures a terrible king will assault Paris from the
skies. He refers, without a doubt, to Hercolubus, and Paris is deeply
symbolical. He refers to our planet Earth in general.
Nostradamus said Earth will appear as if it were forced out of its orbit
(referring to that year) and that there would be great darkness. Without a doubt
he refers to an eclipse. Obviously, as Hercolubus falls between the Earth and
the Sun, an eclipse has to happen. Everyone, all students who have read his
Centurias await the date. However, the Mayans affirm that only during the
KATUN 13 will come that great catastrophe, and they await that to happen
during the year 2043.
As you can see, there are two concepts in question; one is from Michael
de Nostradamus and the other from the Mayans of the Yucatan Peninsula. I
personally believe this can all happen during the KATUN 13. I stand behind the
Mayans.
Q What could you tell our audience about Karma?
A Well, Karma is a word that means cause and effect. Every cause

has its effect and every effect can turn itself into a cause. That is Karma: the
Law of Action and Consequence.
Obviously, wrongdoing has bad consequences and good actions have
good consequences. That is how the Law of Karma works. Each one of us is
the builder, the creator, of his own destiny.
If we make the best use of present time, working with honesty and
rectitude, we would create good DHARMA, a good destiny; we would have a
wonderful destiny. If we do not make the best of present time, if we do not live
life from instant to instant, we could create a disastrous Karma.
A man who knows how to live with rectitude (from instant to instant), who
makes the best of each second of his life to work in favor of humanity, and who
works to transform himself psychologically, is a man who is working to create a
marvelous future for himself.
Q In the search for truth, many groups have appeared throughout the
history of humanity. These groups have worked in secrecy. We could mention
the Essenians, the Cartars, the Masons, and so on. What is the relationship that
exists between these groups and the Gnostic Association you represent?
A Well, the Gnostic Association of Anthropological and Cultural Studies
(a civil association, AGEAC in Spanish) respects all schools, organizations,
sects, orders, etc. We know that if we do not work with the three factors for the
Revolution of our Consciousness, we will not reach any logical conclusions. I
emphatically refer to those three aspects that are: BIRTH, DEATH and
SACRIFICE FOR HUMANITY.
BIRTH. It is necessary to create the MAN within each and every one of
us. What we know as a man is not self-realized being. I am in agreement with
something a College professor once told me: we are rational mammals I
believe that is an accurate definition.
What would be interesting, would be to create the MAN within ourselves,
which is only possible by learning how to and transmuting our sexual energy, our
sexual secretions. It is through sex that we reproduce ourselves (we are born
through sex, we are born from a man and a woman). If we learn to transmute
our sexual libido into CREATIVE ENERGY, it would be possible to create within
ourselves, the REAL MAN.
Frederic Nietzsche talks about a Super-Man, but he made a big mistake:
he forgot about the MAN. We need to create the MAN first, before we even think
about the Super-Man. If we transmute the SACRED SPERM, the EXIOHEHALI,
we will generate the CREATIVE ENERGY.
Energy will condense in various forms of life. The Creative Energy (for

example, on a higher octave) will condense as the famous ASTRAL BODY wise
men of all ancient times have many times mentioned men like Parascelsus,
Philip Teofastro, Bombastro de Homhenein. The ASTRAL BODY is not
perceived through the eyes of our physical body, but those who have it, know
they have it.
People know they have an Astral Body when they can use it, when they
can use it to transport themselves out of their physical body towards any place
within the infinite space. However, pictures have been taken of ASTRAL
BODIES, very good pictures taken with special lenses.
On a higher octave (one above that of the Astral Body), the Creative
Energy will condense in the MENTAL BODY. The MENTAL BODY will give us
an individual intellect. One thing is to fill our heads with theories and another is
to have the spark of the true intelligence.
On a higher third octave, the Creative Energy will condense or crystallize
in the form of a CAUSAL BODY. Those who possess a Causal Body, or BODY
OF THE CONSCIOUS WILL, can determine, set and originate circumstances
upon will. They are no longer victims of circumstance.
Anyone who possesses the physical, astral, mental and causal body is
able to receive the ANIMIC, BUDDHIC or CHRISTIC PRINCIPLES (however we
want to call them) and becomes a MAN a REAL man, to the fullest extent of
the word.
Those who develop their sense of self-perception, psychological selfobservation, are able to perceive the Astral, Mental and Causal bodies. But we
need to possess these bodies in their totality, so we can become true men.
Before that happens, we are nothing more than rational mammals, as that
professor from the University of Mexico once said.
That said it is important to work on our own selves, our own
psychologies, to become men.
The Second Factor of the Revolution of our Consciousness is DEATH; the
death of our EGO; by disintegrating it, reducing it to dust, to allow our (divine)
BEING to BE.
Lastly, we need to raise the torch of wisdom to light the path of others
(sacrifice for humanity). Any school that does not emphasize the work on those
three factors for the Revolution of our Consciousness, is obviously based on
theories and it will not reach any conclusion. If any organization forgets about
any of these three factors, it serves no purpose.
I do respect all organizations, from Orient to Occident. I only refer
emphatically to those three factors, and I say that if there are any schools that

do not know those three factors, they should learn them. Thats all.
Q Master, much has been said about reincarnation, that we re-born time
and time again until we complete our state of spiritual perfection. What could
you tell us about this subject?
A With the utmost pleasure I will address this most interesting question.
For some, reincarnation is a theory, for others an issue of faith, a belief;
for others, a superstition; for some others reason for sarcastic laughter but for
us who remember our previous existence, reincarnation is a fact.
However, we need to make a distinction between the Law of
Reincarnation and the Law of the Eternal Returning.
Reincarnation means: the descent of Divinity in a Man. The repetition of
this event is precisely that REINCARNATION. Ill say that again
ENCARNATION is the descent of divinity in a man. When that event repeats
itself, it is called REINCARNATION. This implies that reincarnation is only
possible to men who are self-realized: men like Jesus of Nazareth, Buddha,
Hermes Trimegisto, Quetzacoalt, etc.
RETURNIG is another thing and to understand how do we return I will
speak briefly about DEATH.
Death is always the result of a subtraction of broken numbers. Once the
mathematical operation is over, the only thing left is our VALUES. Those
values are absorbed by the ETERNITY; they submerge within the psychological
space, within the ULTRA of all things, within the superior dimensions of Nature
and the Cosmos. Values attract and repel each other as stated by the Laws of
Universal Magnetization, and they return, re-incorporate themselves into new
organisms. That is the Law of Eternal Recurrence, of the Eternal Returning of all
things.
Hand by hand with that Law, is another one called the Law of
Recurrence. Everything happens again just like it happened before.
Life is like a movie. When you get to the time of death, you have simply
returned to the original starting point. That movie is then absorbed by the
ETERNITY. Once the VALUES return and they reincorporate themselves into
existence the same movie starts all over again. If we do not alter those
values, the movie will go on without any changes, but if we manage to eliminate
those FALSE VALUES the movie can be modified. A man is what his life is. If a
man does not work upon his own life, he is miserably wasting his time.
We, the Gnostics, intend to make of our lives a masterpiece. When we
do, we reach THE FINAL LIBERATION, but we have to work upon ourselves,

transforming our life, and that is only possible through the elimination of those
unwanted psychic elements: ANGER, GREED, LUST, ENVY, PRIDE,
LAZINESS, GLUTTONY, etc. We have so many defects that even if we had a
thousand tongues and a palate made of steel; we would not be able to mention
them all.
We die and return and we move according to the Law of Recurrence:
everything happens just like it happened before, with its consequence. Every
existence is the repetition of a previous existence, plus its consequences. Those
who get to remember their past existences will be able to validate what we have
stated.
On my behalf, I can say that I do remember my past existences. What I
state is a fact.
Q Could you talk to us about any of your previous existences?
A Some of them could be of importance and some others may not. I do
know that in my previous existence I was Daniel Coronado, that I was part of the
Mexican Revolution and that I have not forgotten anything that happened to me
during that existence.
Q Was that the one immediately before this one?
A The one immediately before this one. And if I started to tell you about
all my previous existences, I am sure our audience will fall asleep. Think about
what it represents to mention only one previous life: names, history, the
biography of all an existence, which is all too much. I will refrain myself to tell
you that I do remember my past lives.
Q Among the subjects that you study, there is one that relates to the
development of the CHAKRAS. What could you tell us about that?
A The CHAKRAS, the magnetic vortices of men, are very important.
There are seven fundamental charkas and awakening them is necessary. We
must recognize that in our SACRED SPERM exists the most marvelous power
able to transform us radically.
These days, there exists a society within the United States called The
Oneida Society. Medical-scientific personnel are controlling the members of this
society and none of the participating males will ever make the mistake of
ejaculating the Ens Seminis, the ENTITY OF SEMEN. Sexual contact among
couples of this society allows the connection of the LINGAM, but without the
ejaculation of the Ens Seminis, ever.
In the name of truth, they have investigated the physical organism of each
of these individuals under a series of experiments and they have found

extraordinary results, excellent health being one of them. Thanks to this

transmutation of their sexual energy (within the Ens Seminis is contained the Ens
Virtutis of Fire, as Parascelsus would say), the sacred sperm is transformed in
creative energy. This energy rises up to the brain through determined channels
related with the vague and sympathetic systems.
Eventually the solar and lunar atoms the positive and negative atoms of
the seminal current make contact at the TRIBENI, close to the coccyx and by
electrical inductance a third force awakens. This third force is the KUNDALINI, a
subtle energy of an igneous nature and ascends through the medullar-spinal
channel. As that subtle energy ascends, those magnetic vortexes or chakras
awaken, as they reside in the spinal column.
The first chakra is related to the coccyx and with our creative organs.
The second chakra is related with the prostate.
The third chakra is related to the umbilical section.
The fourth with the Cardias.
The fifth with the creative larynx.
The sixth with the space between the eyebrows.
The seventh chakra is related to the Pineal Gland.
In each of these seven vortexes reside extraordinary psychic faculties.
In the first chakra there are seven psychic powers that give us control over
the element EARTH.
In the second chakra (prostate area) there are faculties that give us
control over the element WATER.
In the third chakra (umbilical area) there are faculties that (once awaken)
give us control over the element FIRE.
In the fourth chakra are contained certain powers that give us control over
the element AIR.
The fifth chakra contains the power to listen the ULTRA of all things
(clairaudience).
The sixth chakra contains the development of clairvoyance, which will
allow us to see the ULTRA of the universe.

The seventh chakra related to the Pineal gland gives us the power to
see the various Dimensions of nature and the cosmos.
Only through the transmutation of our sexual energy into creative energy it
is possible to develop such powers, but only when we transmute our sexual
libido, when we transmute our sacred sperm is that we develop our creative
energy.
Many could object the transmutation of our sexual libido, originally
proclaimed by Sigmund Freud in his Psychoanalysis; but those of us who have
accustomed ourselves to transmuting and developing our creative energy know
there is magnificent truth behind it. It increases the potential vitality of the
human organism.
Q You tell us about power over the elements, such as Earth, Water, Air
and Fire. Could you tell us what kind of power would that be?
A We have already mentioned the Mutants. They have the power over
the elements of nature as Jesus of Nazareth demonstrated it when he calmed
the storms, or walked over the waters in Galilee. They have the power over the
elementals of nature as certain yogis of the Hindustan nowadays have
demonstrated it, they walk over fire without getting burnt, or can float on air or
walk through a rock without getting hurt. Many have given their testimonials after
returning from India. Today there are still many orders, (sects, groups) under the
leadership of true mutants.
Q Master, do you think this humanity will have the time to reach the
state of a Super-Man?
A If people propose themselves, they will. In our institution we have all
the precise rules to reach that state; we have the methods and the systems that
will allow us to reach such heights. What is important is study and practice.
Q When a super-man reaches that state, what virtues does he
possess?
A Such a man is distinguished by his modesty and simplicity. A super-man will never
say what he is. He would prefer to go unnoticed. He would never attempt to make it
public. The true super-man will fall under anonymity will go unrecognized. A simple
man in the most complete sense of the word.
Master Samael Aun Weor: we would like to thank you for your
participation in these studies at Radio University and for your humbleness while
addressing our questions.