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Jacob Milley’s Interviews

Interviewer I:​ Imani

Imani: Hello, welcome.

Jacob: Hi.

I: Hi, how are you?

J: Alright

I: What’s your/ name?

J: Do you mind if I move this?

I: Uh, yeah. Sure

J: Uh, I’m Jacob.

I: Jacob. Nice to meet you. Last name?

J: Milley

I: Milley. Nice to meet you. Um, how old are you?

J: Uh, im 21

I: 21. Um, are you in school?

J: Uh, yeah. I’m a ​geology​ major at George Washington

I: Oh, George Washington. Um, so … are you a junior? A Senior?

J: Im a junior.

I: Junior. Um, how did you come about choosing your major?
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J: Um, ​when I was younger, um, my grandmother would travel around alot - um around
Massachusetts alot, uh, we were in Boston alot, and I’m from Sharron, so that’s not really far
from Boston.​ So, she would travel. And every time we would go, I would sit in the car and I
would just look. I would just like observe the plains, the canvas, the road, just take in the uh,
surrounding images, and I found it fascinating for some reason, and even when I wasn’t on the
road, the environment: ​taking in the spaces that I was, um, inhabiting, just really … interest me.
So I decided to major in geology.

I: Aw, that’s awesome, um. Can you tell me more about your family?

J: ​Um, so uhh, I live in Sharon, Massachusetts. Uh, we live in a small two-story house. Uh, my
mom, my dad and me, and my little sister. So, it’s just four of us. Uh, my dad right now, he
works with a construction company, and my mom is kind of stay-at-home. She helps him at the
office from time to time, but it's more so a family owned business, so my mom is at home, and
my dad isn’t at home that much. But, um-yeah. My sister and I-we go to a local school, and we
get our work done.

I: How is your relationship with your little sister?

J: ​Uh, she kind of gets annoyed with me sometimes, uh. I tend to be very cautious, especially
around boys. Um, they tend to be very rough with my sister, and they don’t understand how to
not be so rough around ​my​ sister. So like (sight).​ A lot of the time I’ll end up getting in trouble
trying to protect her, as opposed to getting in trouble for something I did. If that makes sense.
And I’m not there with her no more

I: Yeah, How was that move away, um for you?

J: ​It was kind of, um. Uh, I can’t find the words. It was hard. It was hard because I’ve never been
away from home, like, I;ve been all around Massachusetts, I;ve been all around the state, but I’ve
never been outside of the state, let alone DC, so just being physically far from her was a lot. Um,
when I left her, she was just starting high school, which is an interesting time for a teenager.
Starting high school, she was already 14. It was kinda like a milestone, and i wish I could be
there for that. I wish I could be monitoring that, but I can’t. And, sometimes I have to let go. I
mean I still call her everyday. We’re on facetime. I mean, I still see her. I regularly communicate
with her. We haven’t lost contact, its just… I’m not there … to watch her when she thinks I’m
not watching.

I: What is your favorite memory with your sister?

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J: ​Um, okay. So, I was babysitting her, and we were- well, I was on this date with this girl I was
seeing at the time. Um, and I had to babysit, but I really wanted to go on this date. So, I took her
with me, and went to this roller skating rink. Uh, a little outside of Boston, but not in Sharon
anymore. And I was with this girl, and I paid for skates, and I paid for my sister’s skates. So um,
while my sister was just rolling around the rink, uh, I was just, uh, on this date, you know, with
this girl. Casually talking to her and what not,​ ​yadayada​, ​and. My sister, she fell. She fell pretty
hard, like everybody stopped just to watch her fall. And like, normally when she would
embarrass herself in public, its like “No, don’t come near me! Stay away​,​ ehhhhhhhhhe​”​ And uh,
me being the brother I am, I go to her and I help her up. And then like, I pick her up. And
holding her- just watching her like just trust me in that moment like … I don’t know kinda felt
… heartfelt. And now everyday thereafter, she’s just constantly reminding me, constantly
bringing this memory back up, like “oh hey, remember when I fell at the roller skating rink and
you picked me up?” And it would be like, just very warming. It was the first time in which she
didn’t try to deny my help. Or me being her brother, cause everything’s more so “All right, I get
it.” Kind of like, shrug off, okay let me breathe, okay let me live. But in this moment, she just…
she allowed me to protect her. And that was very comforting.

I: So would you say um, - you said that you’re a very protective person - where do you think that
comes from?

J: ​Um, I guess it would come from my grandmother. I mean, when I would go with her, to um,
her, um, talks, there was just this very comforting blanketing shielding energy she just emitted.
Like whenever you’re with grandma, nothing was gonna happen to you. Like you just didn’t
have to worry. Like, Second thoughts, gone cause you’re with grandma. ​You’re chillin. You’re
just there and she’s gonna take care of you.​ ​So, I guess just being around her a lot just kinda
rubbed off on me, in the sense of my sister. Cause my parents are very free with me they’re just
like “okay, you wanna go here? Great, go.” It’ll be my grandmother that’ll be like “okay, where
are you going? Who are you going with? What time is it? Who-who are the parents that you’re
going with?” So, really just like my grandmother rubbing off on me. Um, yeah.

I: Is your grandmother still alive?

J: Yeah, she is.

I: So, do you still talk to her often?

J: Yeah, I’ll call every other day because she’s in a retirement home and sometimes when we try
to like call, the lines are busy, so I don’t get to speak to her everyday as I would like to. ​We visit,
um. It’s kind of sad seeing um, grandma in the retirement home. Because I love her, but like Um,
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right now she’s been suffering from alzheimer's. So, kind-of, constantly jogging the memories, is
very mentally exhausting. Like the only thing she remembers is being saved from the
concentration camps, but other than that, I have to like remind her of my name, and my parents
name, and my sister’s name, and I’m like “Hey, its Jacob, and Millie, and there’s mom and dad.
You’re daughter, his husband.” like yeah, its just … its a task, I would say. A loving task to see
my grandmother and constantly be there, and just constantly asking yourself like, is this the week
that she leaves us? And, yeah just… yes. So, to answer your question, yes I do see my
grandmother a lot.

I: You mention that she was in a concentration camp, has she ever been able to talk to you about
that?

J:​ Yeah, actually. When I was um, traveling Massachusetts with her, she would give these Ted
Talks talking about um, the Holocaust and, um, being a survivor of the Holocaust and what that
meant, and giving these, um, empowering, um, injustice speeches. And um, after a while, once I
got to a certain age, I would the start talking in these Ted Talks with her. I’d get like a 5 minute
segment out of her 30 to 50 minute sessions, uh. So, I would just talk about how that impacted
me, the lessons I’ve learned from my grandmother, and then she would continue to then
deconstruct and explain the injustice that went on with that. So um, yeah I have a lot of stories
about the concentration camps, many of which she doesn’t really remember cause the war ended
when she was four and she was saved then. There are a few.

I: Do you think that that emotionally affected her?/In her life?

J: What, the concentration camps?

I: Yeah.

J:​ Yeah, most definitely. I think that’s where she gets the “comforting blanket” feeling from.
Like just being… like … just like the Holocaust itself is just very … heavy, and so like, like if
you had went through that like, that would be something that would scar you forever. It would
change the way you walk, the way you talked, the way you moved. Even though she was 4,
basically she was forced to understand that there are people out there who do not want the best
for you. And, I guess the inability of her parents being able to stay alive and protect her kinda
caused her to then, make sure that her offspring and her offspring’s offspring were then
protected, and that we understand our history and how we came about.

I: Hmm. So, do you think that histories are important to you?

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J: ​Yeah, um, I’m actually uh, thinking about becoming a history minor, uh, I’m not sure uh, what
specific kind of history I’ll study. Either American or African, or a combination of the two, or
maybe European history. Yeah, it’s kind of very important.

I: Um, how’s your relationship to your grandfather?

J: Um, I never met him./Yeah

I: Oh. Sorry. Um, so is there a specific story you could tell me that your grandmother has told
you about the concentration camp?

J: ​Um, (pause) okay. Uh, I think she told me that this was like her first time being there. Um, she
was brought into this room and in the room there were like showers in it, so uh. The people were
like lining up naked to take these showers, and um. ​She didn’t want to take a shower at the time
so she ended up finding a way to like leave the showers. ​And, uh, her parents didn’t see her leave
the showers at the time so, she just kind of like, got away. So she was just waiting for her parents
outside the showers and the showers turn on, and she starts to hear like a lot of screams, like just
blaring screams coming out of the showers, and she didn’t really understand what was going on.
But basically, she had sat outside the showers listening to her parents and all the other people in
the showers get poisoned to death by the liquid and the gas that was coming out of the showers.
Um, and when the showers were done, she went inside to look and see if her parents were there
but she couldn't - she she couldn’t find them I’m not sure of what she saw. I assume she saw
decayed corpses or skeletons or whatnot, but she would never tell me. But basically after that, a
guard found her and they put her in this section where like the kids in, where they kept the kids
in. They seperated the kids from the parents at this specific camp. And, two years later, the war
had ended and An american soldier had saved her.

I: Well, thank you for your time.

J: You’re very nice

I: Thanks, you too.

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Interviewer II:​ Kayla

Kayla: Hi

Jacob: Hi

K: How are you?

J: I'm all right

K: Just take a seat right there. can I start with your name?

J: Uh, Jacob

K: Jacob, last name?

J: Milley. Jacob Milley

K: Milley. That's a really nice name. Um, how old are you?

J: Uh, I'm 19.

K: Okay. So that means you are in undergrad?

J: Yeah, I am a junior right now.

K: Okay. Where?

J: At George Washington.

K: Wow, okay do you like it?

J:​ ​It's coming along. Uh, it's very different from home so like I'm still adjusting/I'm from Sharon
Massachusetts. But it's very close to Boston so I spend most of my time in Boston and Sharon
um yeah. It's still something I'm adjusting to.

K: Where is home?

K: What has been hard for you in the transition?

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J: ​The subway map it's really it's really different it's something so old and different like traveling
the subway in Boston it's like like I mean I've been doing in my entire life so like that's just it so
just changing to the Metro System and the blue line and the green line it's just a lot. Like It it it's
like weird so.

K: What about in terms of academics how are you doing there?

J: ​Um the people I don't really notice that much of a difference with a people it's just more so my
location. I mean like classes are whatever. Most of the time I just sit in the back I take my notes
and then I leave. Um, my circle of friends really close tight and yeah aside from that there's not
really much I have to adjust to. I just went to a really intense prep school before I got to college
so the workload doesn't seem that jarring.

K: And you said socially you're doing fine?

J: Yeah I just keep a small circle.

K: Okay and where is that Circle from is it from something like an organization you're a part of
or is there people on your floor?

J: ​Um, there's like a club for Jews and since I'm Jewish I like to go there so it's just me and my
Jew Bros.

K: "Jew Bros" I love that. Um, what are you studying?

J: I'm studying geography.

K: Okay that's really interesting when did you find out you were really interested about that?

J: When I was younger I will travel around Massachusetts a lot. My grandmother and whenever
we would just get in the car I would just sit and ​look out the window and I would just observe
the plains, the terrain just the surroundings. I would sit there and take it in and even when I'm not
in the car and just soaking up the environment​ ​the spaces that you inhabit, the spaces you live in
is interesting so I just wanted to start studying geography and just examining how that translates
from that site.

K: And you said you went with her grandmother tell me more about her. Did you guys have a
close relationship?
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J: ​My grandmother is very protective. There's a constant blanketing Shield energy that you just
care like you know like there's that one person that you like utterly trust and confide in and
there's no second thoughts as to whether or not your safety is in danger that's kind of the feeling I
get when I'm with my grandmother. Cuz like when you're with grandma nothing's happening just
like its just there overprotective and I would go to her and she would go to her and whenever I
was with her it just felt comforting. It felt homely

K: Hmm. What about your parents?

J: ​My parents, they're not as protective. They kind of let me run loose. I have a good head on my
shoulder so I don't really do anything I don't think I should be doing anyway. ​But we are not as
close I would say to my grandmother. Only because I just spent more time with Grandma
growing up than I did with my parents. And then falling off and whatnot so yeah.

K: Do you have siblings?

J: I have a younger sister

K: Tell me about her

J: ​Kayla is very kind of spunky. Because of my grandmother I'm very protective about her and
I'mma be honest I don't let her breathe. I don't let her breathe at all.

K: Wow

J:​ All the guys she's talking to cause like we're only like three years apart in age so after a while
she ends up coming to school with me because we end up going to the same school. Like while
she's talking to this guy I'm over here investigating the like "what are you trying to do with my
sister? What are your intentions? Lay them out." Uh. And she gets really annoyed that I do that.
Sometimes she'll get really upset and she'll start to screan because I don't let her breathe because
I don't trust these people. I don't trust them I don't. Cause you just don't know what they're gonna
do. You don't know people's true intentions until it's too late and you just don't have time to be
taking those risks.

K: Wow. Are you dating? Are you talking to anybody?

J: ​No. I mean I don't really have that much luck with girls. At the moment I'm not really focusing
on any of them and just sticking to the work and allowing whatever will happen to happen.
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K: Okay, what's your favorite thing to do with your small group of friends?

J: ​We go skating. So like we'll go to like the skate park or just find like streets, benches where
we can do alleys off of and we'll just like practice and go skating. It's really refreshing. It soothes
my mind. Alot of the times when I'm worked up about something or when I can't really focus, I'll
just go and skate and it'll just be my skate because once I'm on the board I'm just going.
Exploring terrain. I'm just, like I'm just one with the environment.

K: So you really do love the environment. Did you ever go like camping and stuff?

J: ​No. Not as a child. I mean, where I'm from is not very city like. It's more like rural. It's kind of
like a happy medium between urban and rural, so kind of like suburban... That was the term I
was looking for suburban. Um, and whenever I would see like grass I would be like "oh my god,
grass. Like, yay!" Like, I'll just um, I'm sorry I lost my train of thought.

K: Thats fine I have another question: So you said you are Jewish, would you say that um
growing up as a Jew, would you say you were very orthodox, very traditional, very strict about
it? How was it like growing up religious?

J:​ My parents didn't really force religion on me. They didn't believe in like brainwashing their
children and like taking them to church very young on. I mean sometimes I would go when there
was like nobody in the house, nobody was there to watch me so I would like go to church, I'd
practice,​ but it's not something like really like "ugh, you must, you must."​ But my grandmother
was very keen on teaching me about my history and educating me on the Holocaust and how that
has affected me, and just watching her Ted talks, just like explaining to other people the
Holocaust and just like those injustices. It kinds of reminds me of my origins.

K: Did she have-how old is she?

J: My grandmother is about 99.

K: So was she involved? Did she have anything to do with. What was her experience with the
Holocaust?

J: ​She was rescued by an American soldier when she was four years old. So her first memories
we're in a concentration camp. So yeah. I mean she doesn't give these talks now. Obviously she
like 99 she's in a retirement home.

K: Yeah, but she was one of the survivors?

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J: ​Yeah she was a survivor of the Holocaust. When I was younger and she was able to get
around, and she would be invited to talk at these Ted talks and just these like public speaking
events just so like inform students in school or whatnot, or people in the community about what
the holocaust is and really dissect it with like other people. Yeah. She's a survivor.

K: Is it Bar Mitzvah or Bar Mitzvah?

J: Bar Mitzvah

K: Did you ever have one?

J:​ No, I wasn't really socially adept in school. So, like I said, my friends circle is very tight
knitted. I didn't have that many friends. My parents tried to throw one for me and I was like no. I
just asked them to not. And they didn't really take it that well at first. They kinda tried to force it
on me. But um, I got my grandma to come in and whenever grandma says something. It's set in
stone.

K: Of course

J: So, yeah I didn't have a Bar Mitzvah.

K: Oh, well thank you for coming today

J: Of course

K: Bye
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Interviewer III:​ Olivia

O: Hello

J: Hi

O: Can I ask what your name is?

J: I'm Jacob. Jacob Milley.

O: Nice to meet you Jacob. Can I ask how old are you?

J: Um, I'm nineteen.

O: Nineteen, oh that's a fun age. Okay where are you from Jacob Milley?

J: I'm from Sharon Massachusetts

O: Massachusetts. Are you a Red Sox fan?

J: Nah I'm not really into sports

O: Okay that's fine okay so you're from Massachusetts how was that growing up?

J: ​I mean I was in Boston a lot so I didn't spend that much time in Sharon. I would travel around
with my grandma a lot and she would give TED talks and I would tag along with her when they
needed someone to babysit aside from that yeah growing up it was pretty cool. Boston has this
like modern-esque old age look to it. But like their buildings all look pretty new in contrast to the
stolen streets made out of bricks so.

O: Yeah it's also a nice little college town too

J: ​Yeah it is a lot of school in the area but I wanted to get far away from home so I didn't go to
any of those.

O: Okay well that makes sense. How is your relationship with your mother?

J: ​My mom she's really nice she's pretty chill. My parents aren't really like hard on me on
overprotective as some people's parents are so I get to really do what I want to say but I don't
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really take it to the extreme. I have a pretty good head on my shoulders so I don't take advantage
to any of the Privileges I'm given. So if I think something's bad I'm not going to do it cuz I just
don't see the logic in that I just don't.

O: Okay okay. And how is your relationship with your grandmother was it?

J: ​Yeah um, Grandma's amazing I love my grandmother. We are very I would say I'm closer to
my grandmother than I am with my actual parents because I spend a lot more time as a child with
my grandma. So she would take me to her TED Talks she would talk about the Holocaust and
that she was a holocaust Survivor and after a while I would start speaking in these talks. And out
of her little 50-minute session she would have me talk for like 5 minutes or should we ask me
questions in front of the audience to like explain something and further yeah.

O: That's good that you're good with an audience. Thank you for coming to the show today.
Okay that's nice so she just had talks about the Holocaust did she went through the Holocaust?

J: She was a survivor.

O: Oh my God.

J: ​She was 4 years old when she got rescued by an American and some of her first memories of
where we're of her being in the concentration camps. She lost her parents at an early age so she
was orphaned and after that she had met my grandfather when she was older and decided to
move to America. So I'm like second generation.

O: That's nice. How was your high school experience?

J:​ I went to a really intense prep school called Dalton Academy.​ It was a lot being that even
though my parents were hard on me they just expected for me to do things great things and the
expectation was always floating in the air. And my teacher didn't make it easy. There was always
a sense of like competition in the class amongst the class like constantly comparing gpas to the
next person sitting next to you. Who made honor roll? Who made Dean's list?

O: Did you make honor rolls and Dean's List?

J: ​Well I mean I did but that wasn't because I was trying to like outsmart people I just wanted to-
okay maybe secretly I was but like I just wanted to get my I just want to say at the job done and
wanted to have a polished transcript so that when I started applying to school I would have
options I didn't specifically would have to look at low ranking schools. Schools that didn't have
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as much that I wanted. Also that and scholarship money. Cause scholarship money.

O: What college do you go to?

J: I am a geography major at George Washington University.

O: Oh nice George Washington was that your first choice?

J: It was actually my fourth choice.

O: Oh what happened to the first three?

J:​ I just didn't get enough money to go to the schools. George Washington ended up giving me
those money.

O: Yeah sometimes life has a tricky way of doing that and you said you're a technology major?

J: I am a geography major.

O: A geography major okay and how is that?

J:​ ​It's quite interesting right now I'm finishing up the last round of general education classes they
have me taking. Because like most programs it's like you take a bunch of General education
classes before you start really diving into your major​ *burps* excuse me. Really heavy dinner.

O: It's okay

J:​ ​So I'm finishing the last round of that and classes are alright. Right now I'm taking calc 4
history a stats class to get it out the way my English. Basic subjects

O: Nice. In what makes you interested in biology technology what is it again?

J: Geography

O: Oh yeah what makes you interested in geography?

J:​ When I was younger I would driving around with in the car in the back seat, and as we would
be driving to these various locations in Massachusetts and I would just look out the window and
soak in the environment just take the time to look at the leaves and the trees, everything that just
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came about like just soaking up what I saw on the Plains and in the sky. Taking in the world
around me and examining the environment and even this environment right now just live studio
audience It's just tough to take him which is cool.

O: Okay, what do you want to do with the environment?

J: ​With geography, yeah it's a really dive into a specialization in order to get anything out of your
degree. I'm not really sure about that specialization is I would try to find something that
examines the relationship between Behavior and the environment like the physical Geographic
environment as opposed to a social constructed environment that we humans build.

O: So like a nurture versus nature type of situation?

J: Yes I really examine the nature side as opposed to the nurture side. Like how does the physical
environment change the way or affect the way people form their personalities or just be.

O: That's interesting. You're a cutie, don't you guys think he's a cutie? You must have had a girl
that's snatched you up already don't you?

J: ​I actually don't. I don't have her that much luck with with the females. So for now it's just stick
to the books and if anything comes in the future I'm not going to fight it.

O: Did you have any lady friends when you were in high school?

J: No I actually have not.

O: Awww

J: Yeah. Pretty lonely.

O: Aww. That's okay, you're cute and smart. Somebody is gonna snatch you up. Okay. So, let's
see. Do you have any siblings?

J: I have a younger sister her name is Kayla. Right now she is 15 yeah.

O: How was it like growing up with Kayla?

J: ​Kayla hated me for good reasons though. She hated me because I was very protective of
Kayla. I'll be on the boys she would be thinking about talking to before she could even generate
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thought to talk to them. I'm just not really easy to lend my trust. I guess that's also the reason
why I haven't found a girlfriend yet because I just have a hard time trusting people.

O: Awww. Well, where do you think these trust issues stem from?

J:​ How to make Grandma my grandma would like whenever I'm around my grandmother there's
this comforting blankets feeling I get. It's like whenever you're with Grandma nothing going to
happen so I'm never second-guessing my safety and I'm never second-guessing the safety around
me. I'm within Grandma's comforting blanket. But I guess because I've been exposed to that for
so long I kind of been take that and *tounge click* to my sister.

O: That makes sense. Aww. Well. Let me just ask you some rudimentary questions. What is your
favorite color?

J: My favorite color is green.

O: Green why?

J: Green is grass and/

O: Oh yes the whole nature geography thing going on. So you must like oceans and stuff right?

J: Not as much as grass and Forest, but yeah oceans are cool too.

O: What type of hobbies do you do?

J: ​I skateboard I really enjoy skateboarding. I get to really clear my mind and not focus on the
things that are at hand or just I use it to regulate stress because it's kind of a breathtaking thing to
do so yeah I skateboard. I also like to draw I'm more into portraits and picture work as opposed
to calligraphy list or watercolor painters and what not. Yeah those two things skating and
drawing.

O: So you're kind of like a Tony Hawk-Magritte kind of guy right?

J: I have no idea who Magritte is.

O: Magritte, he's like a French artist you should look him up if you like painting and things.

J: Um. Okay.
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O: So you like skateboarding do you like spend a lot of money trying to get the longboards or
whatever?

J:​ ​No I'm not really into extreme sports skateboarding. I just do it because I like the activity of
skateboarding I'm sorry there's something in my eye.

O: And how has adjusting from Boston to DC been like for you?

J:​ It's very different. The train system for one is vastly different from the one in Boston. I mean
boston's pretty simple like DC is too but I've lived in Boston my entire life so it's just that's what
I'm exposed to even though I'm from Sharon I'm constantly in Boston so I practically live in
Boston.

O: Well I'll think we'll wrap up for now and I'll allow you to take care of that thing in your eye. I
hope everything is perfect and I know you're going to get a girlfriend so nobody can pass up this.
Okay thank you.