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Până când nu te
iubeam, (Hora Veche)
ca.1850 – Romania

Pân
Pânăă când nu te iubeam (Dorule,
dorule) is the name of a Romanian
song, ca. 1850. [Somehow it has
acquired the alternate name of Hora
Veche (translates as ‘old dance’) – no
relation to the Romanian dance
Hora Veche
Veche].

Muntenia (orange) within modern

Romania (Yellow). Modern Bulgaria
is below, though both were still
technically under Otoman rule.
Russia is on the right, young Serbia,
and the Austro-Hungarian Empire
are on the le!.

Over the past few hundred years,

Muntenia had struggled to free itself
from Ottoman rule, and by 1850,
though technically still under the
Ottomans, Austrian and Russian
troops had occupied it frequently.
Western notions were circulating on
how to run a country, its economy,
even what constituted art and music.
I have no documentation concerning
the origin of this song, other than it’s
supposedly from Muntenia. It
sounds ‘oriental’ (not Romanian in
the folk sense), but in a style that
Western composers would write of
the ‘orient’ – like a Hollywood
soundtrack. Images of smokey
harems and snakes rising out of
baskets. Pure speculation on my part,
but I’m guessing someone in a court
orchestra, say from the Russian or
Austrian embassy, heard (or
composed) a melody and and
orchestrated it according to Western
ideas of Eastern melody and chord
structure. Anyone care to enlighten
me?

Whatever its origins, Pân

Pânăă când nu
te iubeam (Dorule, dorule)
dorule), was and
is a Romanian classic, at least among
the urban concert-and-theatre-going
crowd. Below it is sung by
‘Romania’s Piaf’, Maria Tanase.

Maria Tanase - Pana c…

"Before I fell in love with you, my love, my

love,
I used to sleep like a baby, my love, my
love.
Since I fell in love with you, my love, my
love,
I’ve been restless, my love, my love.

I go out of the house, my love, my love,

I don't know where to go, my love, my love,
My poor heart, my love, my love,
It can belong only to you, my love, my
love…."

Anton Pann - Pana ca…

Here’s a slightly di"erent set of

lyrics. Seeing all these Romanian
orthodox churches and monasteries
makes me wonder of the music’s
origins are also related to ancient
Church music. Perhaps that was the
YouTube creator’s intention.

https://lyricstranslate.com/en/pana-cand-
nu-te-iubeam-i-fell-love-you.html

Până când nu te iubeam

Până când nu te iubeam Dorule, dorule,
Unde mă culcam dormeam. Dorule,
dorule.

Acum de când te iubesc. Dorule, dorule,

Nu poci să mă odihnesc. Dorule, dorule.

Răpui, mă sfârșesc de dor, Dorule, dorule,

Fără nici un ajutor Dorule, dorule.

Arz, mă frig în mare foc, Dorule, dorule,

N'am astâmpăr la un loc, Dorule, dorule.

Ah, dar nu te'mpotrivi! Dorule, dorule,

Rog a te milostivi. Dorule, dorule.

Before I Fell in Love with You

Before I fell in love with you, My love, my
love,
I used to sleep like a baby, My love, my
love.

Since I fell in love with you, My love, my

love,
I’ve been restless, My love, my love.

I’m dying, this longing is tearing me apart,

My love, my love,
I’m helpless, My love, my love.

I’m burning, I’m on #re, My love, my love,

I can’t #nd some peace of mind, My love,
my love.

Oh, but don’t #ght it! My love, my love,

Please have mercy, My love, my love.

Oh, but don’t #ght it! My love, my love,

Please have mercy, My love, my love.

Current popularity due to Pink

Martini

Pink Martini (with sin…

Wikipedia says “Pink Martini is a

musical group that was formed in
1994 by pianist Thomas Lauderdale
in Portland, Oregon. Members of the
band call it a little orchestra that
crosses the genres of classical music,
classic pop, Latin music, and jazz.[2]
The co-lead vocalists for Pink
Martini are China Forbes[3] and
Storm Large.

Thomas Lauderdale worked in

politics in 1994 in his hometown of
Portland, Oregon. He considered the
music at most fundraisers loud and
boring. He founded Pink Martini as a
remedy, crossing the genres of jazz,
classical music, and traditional pop
to appeal to a broad audience.
During the following year, he called
China Forbes, a classmate from
Harvard, and invited her to join the
band. Their #rst single,
“Sympathique”, was nominated for
Song of the Year at the Victoires de
la Musique Awards in France.

Forbes is monolingual but sings in 15

languages. “All of us in Pink Martini
have studied di"erent languages as
well as di"erent styles of music from
di"erent parts of the world,” says
Lauderdale. “So inevitably, our
repertoire is wildly diverse. At one
moment, you feel like you’re in the
middle of a samba parade in Rio de
Janeiro, and in the next moment,
you’re in a French music hall of the
1930s or a palazzo in Napoli. It’s a bit
like an urban musical travelogue.
We’re very much an American band,
but we spend a lot of time abroad
and therefore have the incredible
diplomatic opportunity to represent
a broader, more inclusive America…
the America which remains the most
heterogeneously populated country
in the world… composed of people of
every country, every language, every
religion.”[4] Featuring 10–12
musicians, Pink Martini performs its
multilingual repertoire on concert
stages and with symphony
orchestras throughout the world.

Sheet music can be found here:

http://www.folkloretanznoten.de/Ho
raVeche.pdf

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» Pannonnia-Carpathian Basin-
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» Pontus – Pontic Greeks

» Roma (Gypsy) Culture’s Central

Value – Marime

» Roma or Gypsies – Why 2 names

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» Hodoroaga – Romania

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» Mihanikos, Sponge Diver

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» Nestinarsko – Bulgaria

» Odeno Oro (revised again)-

North Macedonia

» Odzemok – Slovakia

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Banatean-American

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» Sadi Moma, Сади Мома –

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» Schioapa (1stG) – Romania

» Sirun Aghchik (Sweet Girl) –

Armenia

» Starobosansko kolo – Bosnia-

Herzegovina

» Vrličko kolo – Croatia

» Yiddish Dances

» Zagorisios/Valle Zagorishte –
Zagori, Greece/Albania
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» Zetsko Oro – Montenegro

» Zhok (Slow Hora) – Yidddish

» 3c. – 2nd GENERATION

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» Ajde Jano – Serbia

» Ali Paşa – Turkey

» Avre Tu Puerta Cerrada –

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» Bavno Oro- Macedonia

» Biserka Bojerka – Serbian

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