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Niamh Nash
13.43 · Microsemi, Ennis, Co. Clare
Does Nylon 6,6 undergo any thermal degradation at 232degC that could result in a loss of
properties?

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Asked June 2, 2015

I am using Nylon 6,6 bre veils to toughen composite laminates and I have noticed that the
results are good when they are used with a resin cured at 180degC and substantially better
than when they are used with a resin of similar chemistry but cured at 185degC and
postcured at 232degC. I was wondering if this could perhaps be caused by some thermal
degradation of the Nylon bres (I am aware that this is not above the melting temperature
of the bres). Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

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Scot Abbott added an answer June 3, 2015

As simple as the question seems to answer, it is based on a false  assumption

that all the 6,6 nylons are the same and the only variable is curing temperature.
The presence of product additives, impurities in starting materials, as well as the
degradation products from the process (esp those which are autocatalytic for
the degradation routes) vary from grades and suppliers, and probably from lot to
lot from a given supplier (even though the supplier will usually not suggest that
reality).

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   There are literally hundreds of publications which deal with this various aspects
of this topic, and a person needs to become at least  familiar with the chemistry
when using or working with these materials. As a guide, it is best to test the
stability of the desired properties under the conditions considered for any
speci c polymer grade and supplier, and check the variation from lot to lot.  

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Scot Abbott added an answer June 3, 2015

Do not be fooled by tga data. TGA only reports changes  that comes from loss of
mass, not change in structure.  Simple example:

   if you did a low temperature tga of pure water from -1 C to +1 C you would not
see a loss in mass, but there is a distinct change in properties (water melts at 1
atm at 0 C.)

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Niamh Nash added an answer June 3, 2015

Hi all, thank you so much for you responses, they have been very helpful!

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Karola Schaefer added an answer June 4, 2015

Nylon 6,6 can undergo yellowing upon exposure to heat due to the formation of
azomethine groups. At a temperature of 232 °C, yellowing of nylon 6,6 may
occur.

You should check if colour changes cause problems in your application.

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Christoph Kröhnke added an answer June 11, 2015

Hello, All, if you stabilize Nylon-6,6 properly, e.g. using 0,3-0,5wg-% Nylostab S-
EED (product of Clariant's Business Unit Additives) this polymer should be
suf ciently stable at the given temperature!

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Arshad Mir added an answer August 2, 2015

I think you should not worry about degradation up to about 200oC.

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Mohini Sain added an answer August 2, 2015

You need to nd out if there is any moisture. If resin is different then obviously
their degradation mechanism will be different ; for example having nylon 6 or
nylon 11 could  lead to different degradation mechanism. Caprolactum based
resin system are less prone to degradation at lower temperature because it takes
additional activation energy  for the chain opening process and release of acid, if
any, is slow. Adipic or other  di-carboxylic acid based nylon will have more

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degradation issues at higher temperature, specially if there is additional moisture

exposure at any point.

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Scot Abbott added an answer August 4, 2015

You might try to answer the question yourself by making some other
measurements. Speculation and conjecture in this arena is unproductive.

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Dr. Trevor John Hutley added an answer October 26, 2015

I would suggest that you de ne more precisely your question.  

When you write about curing, post-curing and degradation, you need to give time
as well as temperature as part of the description.

When you write about mechanical properties, try to be more quantitative.  

Saying that "the results are good" or "substantially better" is vague!

Nylon 66 degradation is complex.  I have seen papers in which spectroscopic

changes occur within 30 minutes at 120°C.  That may not be "catastrophic
degradation" but it may be the basis of changes in surface energy or end-group
chemistry that could result in changes in toughness.  At 232°C, it is likely
that some degradation processes will be starting.  The impact of these
processes will depend on bre properties (such as end group chemistry,
molecular weight) and on the presence of oxygen.

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Albert Ortega added an answer December 15, 2016

Nylon 6,6 surfacing veils are commonly used in pultrusion and other frp
processes. Check out the website http://www.nfusionveils.com/Home.aspx for
more information. We have customers that are using them in polyester resins,
polyurethane resins and epoxy resins. You can nd out more detail by searching
the US patent data base at this site . We would be happy to supply you nylon
spunbond fabrics for your research.

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