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 Upper_Krust ·  Aug 22, 2006

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Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 27, 2006  #61

Hey Dragonmoon dude!

Dragonmoon said:

Hi Upper Krust! I'm waiting all the divine abilities and your chapter about portfolios with trepidation. The firsts are very
good, but I've some questions for you.

Fire away mate!

Dragonmoon said:

- A divine ability to become a lich, were creature or half dragon/demon/celestial isn't too much? A not too high level mage
can obtain the same result with a spell and a divine being wouldn't be more powerful then a mortal mage?
I think that for tha price of a divine ability the divine character would have the possibility to became a more powerful
creature like lich, demilich, etc.

A divine ability apes a +1 Challenge Rating increase. Thats the equivalent of 6 (epic) feats.

While I can see that in some cases this would seem underpowered, a lycanthrope does get about 14 bonus
ability scores on top of other stuff.

The problem comes when the CR does not match a Divine, or Cosmic or Transcendental ability.
 Dragonmoon said:

- What do you think of a cosmic ability to became a dragon with the same hit dice?

I think that sounds okay, although it might need checking for epic/adamic/nehaschimic dragons. Although
the Hit Dice thing is a good prereq.

Dragonmoon said:

- How can an immortal become immune to non elemental energy effect (negative energy, ability score drain, etc)?

The short answer is they can't. Spells/items can inhibit the effect. Certain types of monsters (ie. Undead) are
immune, so it might benefit you to become one.

Dragonmoon said:

- Is there a cosmic/Trascendent version of the force field (wit "many" more hit points or an area of effect)?

You can stack Force Field indefinately, so there is no version with more hit points, you just stack that one, as
for an area Force Field I am toying with a second divine ability.

Dragonmoon said:

- What type of creatures you can summon with adjuration? Outsiders? Only creatures with your alignment? And how
much time they can remain? Will be there an improved version of this ability? (Five times your hit dices, etc)?

Its roughly equivalent to Summon Monster in most areas. I still need to iron out the exact parameters.

Dragonmoon said:

- How can an immortal create new creatures? He must use his quintessence? What is the maximum hit dices or ECL of a
creature a god can create? For example, an intermediate god of Hell with 90 hit dice can create a personal version of a pit
fiend?

I'll explain all this in Grimoire.

An individual cannot create something noticeably more powerful than their Avatar. Though a Pantheon could
join its power to create something really powerful.

Dragonmoon said:

Thanks and good work!

I appreciate the interest!

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 Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 27, 2006  #62

Here is a quick list of some of the new feats/divine/cosmic abilities I will shortly be adding in some capacity.

Epic Feats:

Spell Stealer ~ pretty obvious this one.

Etheric Double ~ lets you create an ethereal twin
Etheric Vision ~ allows you to see ethereal (and negates Incorporeal Miss Chance)
Shadow Body ~ hide in someone elses shadow
Shadow Strike ~ gain one attack after you exit melee (provided you do not attack in the following
round)...this used to be called Shadow Body.
Epic Shield Focus ~ you can protect an adjacent ally with your shield (as well as yourself, NB. you cannot
benefit from more than two shields at the same time)
Perfect Cleave ~ Cleave when you score a critical hit
Two-Weapon Mastery ~ No penalties for 2WF
Three-Weapon Mastery ~ No penalties for 3WF
Uncanny Two-Weapon Fighting ~ Normal Damage bonus with off-hand weapon
Uncanny Three Weapon Fighting ~ Normal damage bonus with all three weapons
Rapid Shot Mastery ~ No penalties for Rapid Shot
Uncanny Rapid Shot ~ Use at any Distance

Divine Abilities:

Uncanny Power Attack ~ Trade 2:1

Uncanny Combat Mastery ~ Trade 2:1
Uncanny Manyshot ~ Crit With all Arrows
Uncanny dodge ~ Add you Dex mod as a Dodge Bonus (on top of the Dex bonus to AC)
Uncanny Riding ~ You can take damage inplace of your mount or vice versa
Light Eradication ~ 25% chance of overcoming critical hit immunity
Moderate Eradication ~ 50% chance of overcoming critical hit immunity
Heavy Eradication ~ 100% chance of overcoming critical hit immunity
House of Death ~ all souls manifest as undead in your realm
House of [Element] ~ all souls manifest as elementals in your realm
Madhouse (name possibly to change) ~ all souls manifest as random aberrations in your realm
Higher Self ~ like Cryptomnesia only gain a Cosmic Ability
Time Stealer ~ steal actions
X-Ray Vision ~ self explanatory
Threatening Critical ~ critical threat is auto critical hit (I know CRGreathouse hates this one, so I am not
100% sure on it myself yet)
Uncanny Whirlwind Attack ~ full attack against everyone within reach
Uncanny Disarm ~ Auto Disarm with each attack - this used to be on the epic feat list
Uncanny Sunder ~ Auto Sunder with each attack - this used to be on the epic feat list
U ca y Su de uto Su de t eac attac t s used to be o t e ep c eat st
Uncanny Trip ~ Auto Trip with each attack - this used to be on the epic feat list
Uncanny Cleave ~ Combine Movement with Cleave

I'll also be changing the Intellectual, Overwhelming and Insight feats to new names (the suffix will either be
Mind, Body or Soul). I'll be adding the Lich and Vampire Template abilities.

Cosmic Abilities:

Demilich (name to change) ~ self explanatory

Starstruck ~ gain Pseudonatural Template (NB. you don't get the x5 Spell Resistance multiplier)
Unearthly Power Attack ~ Trade 4:1
Unearthly Combat Expertise ~ Trade 4:1
Unearthly Manyshot ~ Combine Manyshot with Full Attack action

Quartz
Adventurer

Aug 27, 2006  #63

Upper_Krust said:

1. Learned Spell Immunity: should this be an epic feat? I mean it only blocks subsequent uses of the same spell from the
same caster.

This is the Infernal's ability, right? It's far too good and wide-ranging for a single Epic Feat, and the bookwork
for recurring foes would be dreadful, but it's the sort of thing that a specialist might have for their school.

You could put it as two feats: the first giving you learned spell immunity to one school only, the second -
requiring the first - absolute immunity. Prerequisites should be hefty.

hécatonchire
H First Post

Aug 28, 2006  #64

Hello ! one of my pc will choose the "create life" cosmic abilitie. than you to explain me this power and this
limitations thank (it's important : he want repopulated the celestial mont, after a cosmic battle)
" à plus tard et merci d'avance"

hécatonchire
H First Post
Aug 28, 2006  #65

hello hello !
one of my pc refuse divine statues, for equililibre the pc i stack on her mutiple paragon archetype. for the
moment it's all right :the 3 pc are :
1)a wizard level 288 with 8 time parangon template. name (kecha)

2)anascetic psion 210 with good aligned akalichlike template and elder one template. name(warlock)
3)a warrior level 200 with old one template and egregori template overoptimized.name(toki)

warlock and toki have more than 10 years of game.

it's hard to find scenarios but not impossible !

hécatonchire
H First Post

Aug 28, 2006  #66

legendary strength (cosmic abilities)

huge size
toki'streght (with multifeats and 50 (1/4lvl), egregri and old one) :str 170
cosmic strength : 170 x 2 :340 (density : +15 category size damage + 60 con -30 dex and +100 ac (grosso
modo ).its weapons are natural retractable (like wolverine)claw .

1) if now it gains +1 strength, gain he +2 strength with legendary str abilities?

2)his critical damages are more than 200000 (critic divine abilitie, feats etc, ) what are the limitations ?

truly sorry for my english snif, i hope you underzstand my question?

dante58701
First Post

Aug 28, 2006  #67

Transpatial (Ex)
Your natural size is whatever size you desire it to be.
Prerequisites:Sidereal
Benefit:Your natural size is whatever size you desire it to be. Your divine power is in no way limited by your

size, nor is your size limited by your divine power. Thus as a sidereal or greater you retain your full power
regardless of your actual and/or current size, for such limitations are irrelevant to you

dante58701
First Post
Aug 28, 2006  #68

What are the current omnific abilities? I forget.

Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 28, 2006  #69

Hey there Quartz!

Quartz said:

This is the Infernal's ability, right? It's far too good and wide-ranging for a single Epic Feat, and the bookwork for recurring
foes would be dreadful, but it's the sort of thing that a specialist might have for their school.

You could put it as two feats: the first giving you learned spell immunity to one school only, the second - requiring the first
- absolute immunity. Prerequisites should be hefty.

What about saying that the immunity fades after each day/encounter. That way you don't need to remember
recurring foes. Do you think this way its definately just an epic feat?

Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 28, 2006  #70

Hey Matthieu matey!

hécatonchire said:

Hello ! one of my pc will choose the "create life" cosmic abilitie. than you to explain me this power and this limitations
thank (it's important : he want repopulated the celestial mont, after a cosmic battle)
" à plus tard et merci d'avance"

Well normally deities can only create other outsiders, which is merely reshaping the souls of the dead to new
forms.

Outsiders, in and of themselves cannot beget life (I know certain Planescape books differ on this approach).

So the renamed Great Breath (aka Cosmic Creation) allows you to create beings which can create life.

hécatonchire said:
 hello hello !
one of my pc refuse divine statues, for equililibre the pc i stack on her mutiple paragon archetype. for the moment it's all
right :the 3 pc are :
1)a wizard level 288 with 8 time parangon template. name (kecha)

2)anascetic psion 210 with good aligned akalichlike template and elder one template. name(warlock)
3)a warrior level 200 with old one template and egregori template overoptimized.name(toki)

Thats some high-level PCs you got there!

hécatonchire said:

warlock and toki have more than 10 years of game.

it's hard to find scenarios but not impossible !

I know I mentioned the Immortals Handbook: Chronicle only has up to 120th-level adventures, but I will try
and squeeze in some brief (single page) adventures for 250th, 500th and 1000th level characters.

hécatonchire said:

legendary strength (cosmic abilities)

huge size
toki'streght (with multifeats and 50 (1/4lvl), egregri and old one) :str 170
cosmic strength : 170 x 2 :340 (density : +15 category size damage + 60 con -30 dex and +100 ac (grosso modo ).its
weapons are natural retractable (like wolverine)claw .

1) if now it gains +1 strength, gain he +2 strength with legendary str abilities?

Yes. Work out strength as normal, then double it. NB. this only works for inherant strength - it doesn't double
magic item or spell boosts to strength.

hécatonchire said:

2)his critical damages are more than 200000 (critic divine abilitie, feats etc, ) what are the limitations ?

Wow! Thats ome amount of Critical Damage!

There are no limits.

hécatonchire said:

truly sorry for my english snif, i hope you underzstand my question?

Yes I understand...I think.

Upper Krust
U
 Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 28, 2006  #71

Hey dante dude!

dante58701 said:

Transpatial (Ex)
Your natural size is whatever size you desire it to be.
Prerequisites:Sidereal
Benefit:Your natural size is whatever size you desire it to be. Your divine power is in no way limited by your size, nor is
your size limited by your divine power. Thus as a sidereal or greater you retain your full power regardless of your actual
and/or current size, for such limitations are irrelevant to you

Nice, definately Omnific of course, even though its probably less powerful than Infinite Strength for example.
But is something like that going to be potentially complicated when you grow to Universe size.

dante58701 said:

What are the current omnific abilities? I forget.

Nice try dante - but I haven't posted the omnific abilities yet.

Ltheb Silverfrond
L Explorer

Aug 28, 2006  #72

Upper_Krust said:

Nice try dante - but I haven't posted the omnific abilities yet.

Heh, worth a try anyway, I give dante58701 credit for that.

Well, the list of powers that "I" can imagine would be very short -
- Infinite [Attribute] (You could break it down into a multitude of powers, calling them Omnipotence,
Omnipresence etc, and give them other bonuses related areas)
- Crazy-over-the-top [Effect] (This would probobly deal loads of d1000s or just plain do infinite damage.
- Rediculous-ultra-cheesy-defences (An ability like the nexus dragons but cheesier - It would make you
immune to all but every 97th attack, but that attack still has a 99% chance of missing, and can only hit you
on a natural 20, during a full moon, and only during the surprise round)
I am sure U_K's crazy powers are much cooler and more flavorful than the above, but since most beings
won't have enough divine slots or an ECL high enough to have such good items, said powers are simply for
show, and are just good as plot devices/PC threats. (I have PCs that repeatedly try to play silly rediculous
characters so much that I macroed my "sleep"
characters, so much that I macroed my sleep
button on my keyboard to open up Adobe and the Bestiary to the Neutronium Golem.)

Rhuarc
Explorer

Aug 29, 2006  #73

Hey UK mate,

hope you could do me a favor and post a short list with your average CR numbers for the different
templates. Like you did in the Chronicle thread with Hero (30) Demi (60) and Intermediate (120).

Thanks a lot, would really be appreciated

dante58701
First Post

Aug 29, 2006  #74

So...omnific...wouldnt it be called omnispacial then?

dante58701
First Post

Aug 29, 2006  #75

Transpatial (Ex)
Your natural size is uneffected by the application of divinity templates.
Prerequisites:Immortal
Benefit:Your natural size is uneffected by the application of divinity templates. Your divine power is in no way
limited by your size, nor is your size limited by your divine power. Thus you retain your full power regardless
of your actual and/or current size, for such limitations are irrelevant to you.

Omnispatial would allow you to be any size you desire.

Paragon
First Post
Aug 29, 2006  #76

since they won't be in the next update can you give us and idea about portfolios, such as how they will look
and how they will work. or perhaps even an example or 2 just so we (i) can have a clue how they will work?
thanks

Dragonmoon
D Explorer

Aug 29, 2006  #77

Hi, Upper Krust, congratulations for your new forums. I'll visit all (job allowing)!

I would ask you something ....

In my adventure a high level paladin character has been transformed into a solar of HD = Lvls for reward by
his goddess.
Now demigod he grows up as an outsider.
The same thing is possible using your divine ability for became an outsider and one/two cosmic ability (es.:
became planetar - became solar)?

In your books an avatar is only an exstension of the divine character or it can be a separated being that he
can use like a familiar, friend, serf, etc?
The divine character can sense what the avatar sees, hears, etc regardless of distance?
A god can bestow avatar state on a being?

I have already begun the contdown for the 0.8 version of your book!

Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 29, 2006  #78

Rhuarc said:

Hey UK mate,

Hey Rhuarc dude!

Rhuarc said:

hope you could do me a favor and post a short list with your average CR numbers for the different templates. Like you did
in the Chronicle thread with Hero (30) Demi (60) and Intermediate (120).

Th k l ld ll b i d
 Thanks a lot, would really be appreciated

Well its pretty simple to work out, just take the average ECL and turn it into a CR.

Average Hero-deity = ECL 32 (17 levels and 15 from template) = CR 21

Quasi = ECL 45 = CR 30
Demi = ECL 65 = CR 43
Lesser = ECL 90 = CR 60
Inter = ECL 130 = CR 86
Greater = ECL 180 = CR 120
Elder = ECL 260 = CR 173
Old One = ECL 360 = CR 240
First One = ECL 520 = CR 346
etc. (ECL doubles every other status)

Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 29, 2006  #79

Hey Dante mate!

dante58701 said:

Transpatial (Ex)
Your natural size is uneffected by the application of divinity templates.
Prerequisites:Immortal
Benefit:Your natural size is uneffected by the application of divinity templates. Your divine power is in no way limited by
your size, nor is your size limited by your divine power. Thus you retain your full power regardless of your actual and/or
current size, for such limitations are irrelevant to you.

I don't like it.

It doesn't bother Galactus that he is 28 feet tall. I don't see why you are so desperate to have a medium sized
time lord...?!

dante58701 said:

So...omnific...wouldnt it be called omnispacial then?

Omnispatial would allow you to be any size you desire.

Okay, although again, what is the benefit of this? Even if you take Universe size you will only get about +9950
strength (so its weaker than infinite strength), not to mention you'll have an AC penalty of about 10E200.
 Upper_Krust
U Adventurer

Aug 29, 2006  #80

Hey paragon mate!

Well the good news is that I should have the cover finished tomorrow (and its looking pretty good if I do say
so myself), Thursday at the absolute latest...although of course none of that really helps the next Ascension
update, but once the cover is out of the way I expect to make a lot more progres sobviously.

Paragon said:

since they won't be in the next update can you give us and idea about portfolios, such as how they will look and how they
will work. or perhaps even an example or 2 just so we (i) can have a clue how they will work?
thanks

Well mechanically they are somewhat like Prestige Classes, but with Status points instead of levels. But
there is a lot more to each Portfolio than that, there are a lot of information, Favoured Animal, weapon, time,
place etc. etc.

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