Zero Limits Seminar 1 CD 2 of 6 PDF

Zero Limits Retreat: Audio 2
Jan. 19 – 21, 2007
Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len
Joe: Now, this is where I get a LITTLE bit wary, because I have said all of what I
believe and all of what I think and I am going to bring HIM up. [Chuckling]
Audience: [A few chuckles]
Joe: First, I don’t even know if he’s been LISTENING! Then, second, I am real
curious what he’s got to say. Are you ready for him?
Audience: Yep.
Joe: Dr. Hew Len!
Audience: [Clapping]
Dr. Hew Len: So, I am going to draw on the boards three states of mind. Okay? They tell me
I can erase this stuff.
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I am going to draw three states of minds. Now, the thing that I want you to be
CLEAR about is that you are always present. The present is YOU, called Zero
or the Void. What you want to know is that everything is made from this
Void. There is nothing that.... So the very essence of your Being, and not the
Cosmos, is Void or Zero. So, you can only be in three states at any given time.
So, I am just going to draw this line. Okay?
So here you are when you are first created at the beginning of creation, zero.
Then, the next thing that occurred almost instantly is inspiration. Now, if you
look at all of science, one of the things that you’ll find out is that science
STILL DOES NOT KNOW HOW life began. So, when you look at the
genetics of life, you are looking at chemicals, but you are NOT looking at the
ESSENCE of it all. So, now, science is saying, “Okay, here are the genetics of
whatever is going on,” but in ESSENCE, if you ask the scientist, “What is
life?” Everybody...and everybody is kind of like, “Um, I don’t know!”
The other state of being...this is called Inspiration. This is called INPIRE.
Inspire means to have it DRAWN IN.
Then, the other one is MEMORY or DATA, Information. Now, I want you to
know that this is Information. This is Info. This is the info. Okay? So, there
are only three states of mind, and you belong to all of them. This is you. This
is you. This is YOU!

Now, when you are inspired, this is coming from The Infinite...God or
whoever or whatever you want to call it. So as soon as that comes out of this
Nothingness, this can ONLY come out of Nothingness. So, when you are at
Zero, INSTANTLY this Inspire or this breath comes in. It’s the fusion of the
minds. This is directly from the Information coming directly from The Source.
Then, what happens is this plays and the mind mimics or echoes. So, now,
inspiration comes down, the mind echoes this Inspiration and it follows it. It
can’t do anything else but follow this.
So, the other state is the State of Memory. Memory is what Shakespeare
called fore-be-moan moan. It’s a record of a past history of a past problem, a
past occurrence. So, it’s fore-be-moan moan. So now, your mind...this hits
your mind and your mind MIMICS this memory, so it REPLAYS the
memory.
So, mind follows only TWO LAWS. There are only two laws and if you go to
The Bible, the laws are called Lords. But there are only two Laws, the Law of
Inspiration and the Law of Memory; and THESE are the two states that dictate
what you are about, what you experience. That’s all there is...just THESE two
states. So, when you are zero, you are absolutely silent.

At this thing over here, there are no problems, no desires, no nothing. Zilch!
At this state, it’s an echo. The Inspiration comes in from Divinity. Now you
are going to fulfill that which you are created to do, by this Inspiration. So,
Divinity is actually coming in saying, “HERE is what you are all about,” and
you’ll just FOLLOW it! You won’t even think about it [Chuckle]. You won’t
even know...It’s a LAW that you follow. But, you CAN NOT SERVE two
masters! You can’t! It’s either you are going to go with ONE or you are going
to go with the other. You can’t serve two at the same time. It’s important for
you to know that. But, you are always present. I want you to know. You are
always present. You are NEVER not there! [Chuckle] This is SO
PROFOUND!!
You won’t...all the training that I got when I was a Ph.D. The school I went to
it was heavy into statistics, all of that. Now, I am NOT SAYING that it was
bad, but that’s the training that I got. But, nobody said to me I was 100%
responsible. So, you SEE this. Now, I am going to show you what happens
here.
So now, Inspiration comes and you SEE with the eye of Inspiration. You see
as God sees and you are only AWED!! You go, “WOW!!!”
So, now you are actually seeing, because you were blind at the beginning.
This is love. Love is blind. It has no judgment, no right. It doesn’t say, “You

have to say love this way. You have to....” There is NONE of that. That’s all
MADE-UP stuff. When you are yourself, you are blind. So, this is why
Shakespeare writing the tragedies, the comedies, the sonnets are SO
BEAUTIFUL, because this is what ALL of Shakespeare is about -- either you
are yourself or you are not. So you read, Lyre, Hamlet...yeah.
So, here you are, but you are still there. You are BLIND. That means that your
mind is absolutely STILL. It means they have no barriers. You are everywhere
and nowhere at the same time. Then, out of this Void this Nothingness comes
the Breathe of The Divinity, what the Hawaiians call “The ‘Ha.’” This is the
first word in Hawaii. So, Hawaii, is really the breath...what it stands for is,
“The breath and the water of The Divinity.” That’s what the word ‘Hawaii’
means.
But, there you are. So, here is the FIRST state of mind, Zero. Here is the
second state of mind. Then, here is the third state of mind. There are ONLY
three states. The Intellect can argue all at once, but there are only three states
of mind. So, now you are seeing out of memory, so you’ve got your shades
on, which means, you DO NOT SEE DIVINITY would see that person or that
situation and you are STUCK. Here you are.
Now, what you want to do is THE REASON that you WANT to do this
CLEANING is you want to RETURN to the ORIGINAL STATE. So, this is

your enemy or your opponent and YOU put it there. So, it creates BLOCKS.
So, it creates a WALL between you and yourself and The Divinity.
Now, I want to tell you a little bit about this, so you can appreciate who you
are. It’s called the “Z State.” That means everything that is PERFECT FOR
YOU is ALREADY IN YOU!! You don’t have to be more smart! You don’t
need more education. You don’t need ANYTHING!! What you need to do is
to get your OPPONENT out of the way.
That’s all you are here to do! To be yourself, so that THEN you can be
inspired! There is nothing else that you are here to do.
But to take this opponent which you have put there...this what you call, “Love
your enemies.” So, a way to DEAL with this is, “I LOVE YOU!” BE
GRATEFUL to your enemies, “THANK YOU!” But, your enemies are just
the memories between you and God. So, here is YOU and here is The Infinite.
So, this memory...these memories are against you and The Divinity in you.
So, I want to pause to see if you have any plans, because we are getting ready
for lunch in a few minutes. Okay.
Bruce: I have a question, Dr. Len.

Dr. Hew Len: Yes?
Bruce: I have a hard time remembering things.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
Bruce: Is that because I am clearing...I am cleaning?
Dr. Hew Len: Could BE AND if you are saying to yourself, “I have a hard time
remembering things.” It’s just a memory. Alzheimer’s and all of that...I am
going to show you the relationship between the mind and the body, but I want
to make sure that you are CLEAR on this, because as long as you know who
you are, you are ‘Z’: perfect, whole, complete. You don’t NEED more
education. You don’t NEED...and if you get more education, it’s because you
are going to be Inspired. You are not going to get it because you NEED it!!
We always come from NEED...we NEED THAT!!
You can hear The Universe laugh, “HA! What a bunch of...”
Yeah, so NOW, the idea is that when you are at THIS state you are
ABSOLUTELY quiet: no struggle, no right, no wrong, no intentions, no
desires, no nothing. This is called the absolute. So, you are ABSOLUTELY

SILENT. Your mind...you COULDN’T BELIEVE what it feels...and YOU
CAN’T GRASP THIS, by the way!!
You can’t understand Zero. You can’t say, “Well, HERE’S what it is!”
Because why can you not grasp Zero? Why can’t you grasp Zero?
Female: Ah! Because Zero is...when you drill down to it, there is nothing there.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, but why can’t you grasp nothing?
Female: Because it’s not there!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! Because if you try to grasp nothing you are going to try to grasp it with
memory. But you can’t...
Female: Once you bring memory in, it’s not your....
Dr. Hew Len: You can’t grasp God or Zero with memory. This is why Divinity said, “This is
KNOWLEDGE. This is Knowledge, this is what Man uses. This is
Inspiration, this is called Wisdom.” I want to tell you the difference between
the two, knowledge...wisdom. When I was training with a Ph.D.; knowledge.
Divinity said, “I can train you”; wisdom.

That’s what’s available to YOU! How WONDERFUL and it doesn’t matter
WHO you ARE!! It doesn’t matter because who you are is Zero! No religion.
No sex. No color. No nothing! Those things are not important! Did you know
that? Color, sex, religion...none of that is important to The Divinity. What is
important is LOVE and that’s WHO YOU ARE!
So, I am going to pause...because I can see some bubbles come up....and we
are going to try to clear the air. If you would be willing to say, “Thank you. I
love you,” because the questions come up. Yes, Ma’am?
Jillian: If I am in the presence of another person or I have another person in my mind
and either that person is experiencing a problem that I am resonating with OR
I am having a conflict with that person, I just have a question about the four
phrases. Am I saying, “I love you,” to The Divine in BOTH of us? “I forgive
you.” Is it...I am just working on myself in the presence of this other person.
Dr. Hew Len: That’s great. So, let’s ask these wise people around you. Let’s ask our friend
how he would answer that. Now, REMEMBER...we get to clean. This is
ONLY about cleaning. If you think that you know...this is the RUBBISH that
is coming up that we get to work on.
Some of you are already like, “I’ve got a comment to make.”

I’m going, “Oh, geesh...Oh, sorry.” Yeah, go ahead.
Dempsey: Tell me the question again.
Dr. Hew Len: [Laughing]
Audience: [Laughing]
Dempsey: I’m sorry, but I want to be CLEAR on that.
Dempsey: I mean, is she saying it for BOTH?
Dr. Hew Len: No, what she is saying to YOU is, “Ah, I get to clean this.” [Pause] Did you
hear what I said?
Dempsey: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: She is saying to you, “I am giving you an opportunity.”

You guessed it, you go, “Oh, I love you. Thank you.” Clean it up! Because if
you engage it, it will get worse! [Grumbling] They call this “Marriage
Counseling.”
Dr. Hew Len: Blah! [Grumbling]
Dr. Hew Len: We ALL get rich except the people who need the help. But, now, I am going
to come back and answer a question, but the rest of us should be cleaning.
That’s how we are going to get out of this stuff. If we don’t clean, we are
going to be stuck with this. This is a memory that is playing and it’s
ANCIENT!! Memory is saying, “Who’s God?” [Chuckling] She may not be
THINKING that, but that’s what’s up. I mean, which? Where?
So, I am going to take you back to a CELL so you get to see how
BEAUTIFUL this is. So, I am going to erase this and thank God I can erase it.
Audience: [Some chuckling]

Dr. Hew Len: This is called an eraser. So, now I am going to erase it. [Erasing sounds] This
is zillions and zillions of memories. I am not just erasing the board! I am
erasing things from memory banks! So, I want you to know that. It isn’t like I
am just up here erasing things. Okay.
Female: I want you to feel the vibration on this table. Are you feeling that?
Dr. Hew Len: I have NO IDEA. We can clean with that. Yeah. [Chuckling]
Audience: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: It’s going to be OLD STUFF. You are going to go, “OH! I’ve heard that
before. I’ve got to clean on that.” But, I tell you, that’s the only way that you
are going to get out of the hole.
So, let’s look at this. Let’s call this a cell. If you know anything about any
SIMPLE genetics you know that one cell holds all of the DATA that will
create the body. It just DOES. Anybody not clear about that? Oh, okay. But, I
want to tell you, this cell is in effect. It’s not REAL.
“Huh?”

Dr. Hew Len: It’s not REAL! So I am going to let you STAY WITH THIS, let it sort of
borrow into you and then you’ll reject it, but I am going to leave it there. Then
I am going to show you what I am driving at. You’ve already seen this. Okay.
So, what happens is when you are at Zero, the body does not exist, no cell!
Even if it’s a moment, because you are what? You are Zero! Zero! But this is
a HARD one to buy now, because it feels real. Something is real. But it’s
NOT real.
Then, Inspiration comes and you say, “WOW!”
Joe is saying, “Wow! I can FEEL IT!”
Well, he feels it in his cell, because now the cell has been inspired. It’s been
REBORN, made new! This is this thing right here. This is why when Joe
talks, you can feel him lift, because the effect is lifting.
So, what is the definition of a CANCER CELL? Sir? You can make it up, we
don’t have to...you know, we are just going to...what is the definition of a
cancer cell?
Man: A cell that won’t quit reproducing.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. Anybody else?
Jillian: Out of harmony.
Dr. Hew Len: I am sorry?
Jillian: It’s made when you are out of harmony.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. It’s a cell that is not itself. It’s auto tuned and it’s just going to go crazy.
It’s as simple as that. So, it comes back to your mind! When you are at
Zero...GREAT! Then comes this PERFECT Inspiration, but when you are in
Memory, your cells go crazy. They are out of tune. They are out of rhythm.
So, this idea of a cancer cell, if you want to work on cancer, you’ve got to go
back to the Original Source. So, here is the cell and then around this cell is the
Subconscious. If that cell is inspired, it is because in the Subconscious it
CREATES that! The Inspiration is a cause and it produces a cell called an
effect. But that cell is PERFECT, created in the image of God.
You don’t have to understand this now, you can CLEAN with it. I am
watching stuff bubble up.

Then, what happens...I am talking about YOU now...then what happens is that
I am talking about the MIND. Then, over here, by drawing this line, I am
going to call this the Conscious Mind. Now, the WONDERFUL thing about
the Conscious Mind is it has CHOICE. It can be free. It can decide to be free,
that is to LET GO of memory and return to freedom...that’s the choice of the
Conscious Mind. It can be free or it can engage and most of the time it
engages. It comes from right, wrong, up, down, all that sort of stuff, yeah.
But, let’s assume now that the Conscious Mind has let go, it’s “Let Go and
Let God,” so everything at the Zero...at the Inspire State. So now, up here, up
here is the Super Conscious, The Super Guy, The Super Woman and OUT
HERE in NOWHERE is The Divine. This is called...I am going to call it The
Infinite.
So, I want you to look and to see what CAUSES the effect of the cell is
always the DATA. It’s either going to be an ‘M’ which produces that cell to
be PERFECT OR a Memory is going to come up and that cell is going to go
and will take them on that Memory and go out of tune and you are stuck with
it. You get pains, headaches, back pains, cancer, whatever you want to name
it, that’s what you’ve got. It’s only a matter of memory or inspiration.

So, let me pause to see whether you have any questions. You’ll get it. We
have a couple of more days to do this. So, let’s see whether you have any
questions, please? Yes, Ma’am.
Cindy: I notice that I have some PAIN on my right thigh and my mind was asking,
“Okay, why is my thigh hurting. I am rubbing it and then immediately I went
to, ‘Thank you. Please forgive me. I am sorry. I love you.’”
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Cindy: Because what it is describing here is the memory.
Dr. Hew Len: Yep.
Cindy: There is some memory here that’s coming up so that I can heal it.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So, the pain that you experienced at the level of the effect is called by a
memory plane.
Cindy: Why?
Dr. Hew Len: Now, if you ask, “How come?” you are stuck, then you have more stuff stuck.

Cindy: Oh.
Dr. Hew Len: Or, it could be THIS way [Chuckling] and then it just goes CRAZY and this
CELL just gets WORSE! [Pause]
You want to CLEAN NOW, before you ask any questions. That means it’s
important, because if you have a question, that means that we are ALL going
to be OUT. I am not trying to discourage you, but you’ve got to say, “Okay, at
LEAST I’m going to try, ‘I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.’” If
you still have the question you can ask it. But, you should get in the habit of
getting to the cleaning first. Okay. Anybody have a question? Yes, Ma’am?
Woman: I am cleaning.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes. [Laughing]
Woman: I am cleaning.
Dr. Hew Len: I am hoping SHE is cleaning.
Woman: We are ALL cleaning.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

Woman: Getting back to the process of cleaning, I do it on a conscious level, but what
about asking the Unconscious to help throughout the day, throughout the
night? Joe kind of alluded to it.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, well, I am going to take you through that tomorrow or either that or this
afternoon.
Woman: Oh, okay.
Dr. Hew Len: But, that’s perfect, because...instead of The Intellect working alone, if the
Intellect is SMART enough, it will get the computer bank involved.
Woman: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: In other words, if it does it CONSISTENTLY, THIS part of you will do it
when you are sleeping, because WHO sleeps? Who sleeps?
Audience: The body! The Conscious. Us.
Dr. Hew Len: The CONSCIOUS MIND sleeps. It’s WORN OUT from just being...!

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! Worn out! Yes?
Craig: Do you say that the urge to know why and to ask why is to satisfy the memory
instead of waiting for inspiration?
Dr. Hew Len: That could be, but what HAPPENS is that the reason the “How come? Why?”
comes up, because it only comes up because you have had it before. It’s a
replay! Once you STAY in that replay and you keep SEARCHING, like I was
TRAINED TO DO, it just gets WILDER and.... Try to get into a discussion
with somebody about something like politics. It just goes.... Yeah.
Craig: Would you say that was because the conscious mind with the whole diagram
that you showed one part to a million, it just simply is not ABLE to answer
the question, so it’s just continuing to search? It’s just kind of frustrating.
Dr. Hew Len: It does...not only does it NOT ABLE to answer it, but it’s not aware of
everything else that is going on that’s REALLY the problem. The Conscious
Mind has NO AWARENESS of all of this garbage going on. So, I was saying
to my friend Joe when he and I were visiting.
I said, “Boy, [excuse my language], the shit is going to hit the fan with this
book.”

Then he comes back the next day and IT HIT! He had one of those emails.
You know, you go, “EEAhh!!!”
Dr. Hew Len: Well, you can not believe what’s going to come next, UNCONSCIOUSLY!!!
You CAN NOT BELIEVE the stuff that’s going to hit the fan, unconsciously.
So, can you imagine if only ONE out of one million that you are
CONSCIOUS of, can you imagine the infinite number of stuff underneath
there that’s going to hit the fan? [Pause] It’s going to HIT IT!!
Female: My goodness, is it WORTH it?
Lady: Is it what?
Dr. Hew Len: But depends on YOU!!!
So, for example, I was saying to Joe, “Joe, I want you to send me the names of
ALL of the people who are going to come, SEEN and UNSEEN.” So, he’s
been sending it to me. I’ve been WORKING on whatever I had that will come
at me in this classroom and I’ve worked on it for WEEKS! Boy, you can not
BELIEVE the doodoo that came up!!

Audience: [Loud Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: I didn’t REALIZE that I HAD ALL of THAT STUFF! I thought I was a
GOOD GUY! I’m just going to come to Texas GENTLY and then go HOME,
but BOY!!!
So, one of the things that I was saying to Joe...that one of the things that I was
CLEANING on is the memory that the land has of once being Mexico.
Audience: YES!!!
Dr. Hew Len: There is this...I will venture to guess and I am just guessing, I’m making it up,
I would venture to guess that in Texas, the number of people on
antidepressants is probably higher per capita than most other states. This stuff
is so POTENT! When I showed up, I am going my...and I had been
CLEANING FOR WEEKS [Chuckling]! It showed up in my room. I’m going,
“WOW!!!” So, I began to work on this, but it’s SO POTENT! When you lose
an identity, something that belonged to something else now is...belongs to
somebody else and I am not into right and wrong, but nobody says to the land,
“And then...?” So the land is REALLY confused! So now you have climactic
problems. You have GREAT SWINGS. Well, it comes from confusion! The

land ITSELF is not aware of who it is unless you and I become 100%
responsible.
So, Texas, I was telling HIM, I can see generations now where Texas would
bloom with grass. I mean, there would be no deserts here. The only reason
that it has this kind of stuff is because it’s unclear about who it is. Anybody
else? Any questions? Yes?
Woman: When you talked about the cell...
Dr. Hew Len: When you talk about the what?
Woman: The cell.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
Woman: The cell is actually...there is more to a cell than just a cell. There is...you can
go deeper into the molecular level of the cell. You mentioned before that ALL
of us in this room are related and when you look at all of humanity we are all
related. So, if we all share memory, then we share memories on a molecular
level, it’s BEYOND the cell.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, that’s what I am saying. But what I am saying to YOU, whereas the cell
is in an effect, you have to go into the computer bank. THAT’S where we
have shared memory and THAT memory produces a molecular outcome. It’s
an effect.
Woman: So, my question is this: there is ONE person in this room that’s just recently
been born and what is the memory of that child that is in mind?
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, you have to ask yourself the question, “What is IN ME that I HOLD that
to be so?” Because you and I have come in with the same memories as she or
it or the baby has. There is no difference!
Woman: There is NO difference?
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, no! As long as...if we don’t clean up our self...let’s make it a...so we talk
about gigabytes, but I’d like to talk about biggybytes. Okay?
So, we ALL carry this common, because we are ALL FAMILY!! So, when
anybody comes in, they come in, if we didn’t do enough of our cleaning, then
we are going to come in with problems that if we had been 100% responsible,
they wouldn’t come in.

For example, in this GREAT country of ours, we have the HIGHEST birth
problems of any nation in the world. Why is that? I don’t know!! I am just
cleaning up the databank, because that’s where it’s happening. You are
not...no medicine is going to help that. Why wait until the baby is born? Why
can’t it be born immaculately? Did you know that babies can be born
immaculately? Crazy! But, you know, that’s what Zero IS!
Let’s say you… however you are doing, you decide you want to have a baby.
You can not BELIEVE what happens as you are cleaning, that you can have a
baby immaculately, if you are at zero, when conception takes place. That baby
will be an incredible being, INCREDIBLE!!! This is why I do my cleaning!
Yeah.
Anybody else? Yes sir?
Male: One of those things that you brought up to me when you talked about memory
of the land once being Mexico, just got me in touch with a much more
conscious level generational memories of me.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes! Yes!
Male: Being an African [inaudible]...

Dr. Hew Len: Yes! Yeah!
Male: ...just cleaning out all of those memories...
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, wow!
Male: ...and how they still impact you.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes!
Male: I just really got in touch with that.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, and it’s just the memories.
Male: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: Because as you, again, if you come back to Zero, you are color blind.
Male: Exactly.
Dr. Hew Len: You are religious blind. You are just blind! You don’t SEE [chuckling] any of
that stuff and that’s where LOVE IS! As opposed to saying, I’m a certain
person or a certain religion. You ain’t got a chance.

Male: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: You HAVEN’T got a chance! It’ll BUMP memories to CRAZY! That’s why I
am saying to Joe Vitale, “Boy have we got to be cleaning when THIS book
comes out!” It’s going to hit the fan...and I think that it’s GREAT!!! That’s
why I am willing to do it, because if I can get this stuff cleaned up, then you
folks can get on with whatever YOU need to do. Anybody else?
Woman: So, are we living...are we living between three states of mind or periodically
intermittently?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, mostly in memory...mostly with stuff with our shades, mostly stuck at
this level. So, what happens is at this level of memory...so, again, you have to
look at cause and effect [marker writing sounds]. You have to look at the...I
am drawing the line between the Subconscious and the Conscious, what you
know, is here.
So, what I am saying is that this memory creates an effect, which creates a
problem, because a memory creates a problem because of why? It’s not YOU!
It’s not Zero!
Woman: Right!

Dr. Hew Len: You are at Zero! You are PERFECT!! The memory BLOCKS that. So, this
cleaning is about getting you back to Zero, letting go of all of this stuff, so that
you can be back to Zero. But, it takes, like Joe is saying, it is TEDIOUS!!!
Lady: So, the CAUSE we can actually do that consciously in order now to create a
problem?
Dr. Hew Len: We can do that consciously and say to The Divinity, “You know what is
right.”
I am just saying my part. I am saying, “I am sorry. Please forgive me,” and
you will do whatever and I will trust whatever you do.
But now, somebody mentioned, I don’t know I forget who it is, you can
actually work with a child’s subconscious. You can TEACH that child how to
do the cleaning, so that when you are sleeping or whatever IT will do the
cleaning. It will be PROGRAMMED to do the cleaning. Otherwise, you won’t
be able to do it!! What happens when you are asleep? You’re consciousness is
GONE, but the subconscious is ALWAYS awake. Anybody else?
Joe, it’s twelve.

Joe: Yeah, I have a question. Yeah, so it’s twelve. We’ll be going to lunch here in
one minute. Will the movie be better received then the book?
Dr. Hew Len: I am sorry? [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: You see, what I want him to KNOW is that THIS is going to be EARTH
SHAKING and ANY TIME that you have something EARTH SHAKING,
you ALWAYS HAVE A TIDAL WAVE, which is GREAT!!! Which is
great...you WANT it to come up, so that you can GET AT IT!! It’s going to
come up like nobody’s business, but it’s a tidal wave. It’s a great book!
Female: So, then, can I just say this? From what you just said, I got that conflict or
problems are an OPPORTUNITY...
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah!
Female: ...that they are NOT as WE mere mortals NORMALLY perceive as a
NEGATIVE thing...
Dr. Hew Len: The Intellect.

Female: The Intellect perceives it as a NEGATIVE thing.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Female: It is, in fact, a POSITIVE opportunity FOR CLEANING for it to dissipate.
Dr. Hew Len: For YOU to be Zero. But easier...like Joe was saying, “Easier said than done.”
Female: Easier said than done.
Dr. Hew Len: Intellectually, “Okay, I got it! I got it!” But wait until the shit hits the fan
[clap]! Gah!!! [Chuckling]
Female: Hopefully the Intellect kicks in and says, “Oh, my God, I have done it.”
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, no! The Intellect is GONE!! The replay will be SO HUGE that it will
OVERWHELM the Intellect.
Female: Right.
Dr. Hew Len: I mean that’s why people go to psychiatric units! It’s SO
OVERWHELMING!! Okay, just before I go, Joe, I want you to be aware of
two words while you are eating. Sorry. [Chuckling]

Dr. Hew Len: I want you to be aware of the word “mortuary” and the word “mortgage!”
Dr. Hew Len: Do you know what they’ll have in common?
Audience: Yes!!
Dr. Hew Len: What?
Audience: Death! Debt!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! You are paying that with the Ho’oponopono, you are paying down
death and debt. You are paying it down...instead of being STUCK with it and
having it replay and replay. I mean, you are paying down death and debt.
It’s like Shakespeare said, “Once death is dead, there is no more dying then,”
at least with that memory. Yeah.
Joe, please.

Woman: I have one question.
Joe: She came up earlier.
Dr. Hew Len: I... Yeah, I am REALLY TIRED, so, go ahead.
Woman: What if it’s a good memory?
Dr. Hew Len: Listen.
Joe: What was the question?
Joe: Listen!
Audience: What if it’s a good memory?
Dr. Hew Len: This is YOU, perfect! This is your good memory, your stuff, because it’s not
YOU!!!
Speaker: It’s not good or bad, it just is.

Dr. Hew Len: That’s the way that it is!! So, you have to get to it, so there is some Arabian
saying by some guy named Rumi that says, “When something quotes, good
comes along, don’t embrace it, kiss it and send it on it’s way!”
Joe: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: With a little luck, we are going to deal with lunch. We are going to kiss it and
send it on its way.
Joe: Give him a hand!
Audience: [Clapping]
[Pause for Lunch Break]
Joe: Three years ago I came to Florida without a nickel in my pocket and now, I’ve
got a nickel in my pocket [the clink of coin heard].
Audience: [Loud Laughing] Alright!
Joe: Groucho Marx.

Joe: I just opened it up. “For colored girls who have considered suicide when the
rainbow is enough.” It’s the title of a play! I don’t know who chose the
quotations [chuckling]. I don’t know WHY I chose that one, but I opened it up
to that.
Jillian: Groucho Marx.
Joe: It appears that everybody has a lot of questions, because they are ALL coming
to ME!
Joe: I am sitting at lunch and they are being PASSED over to me, verbally, on
notes....
Woman: Psychically. [Laughing]
Joe: Yeah. Mentally, psychically and so here I am thinking, “I’ve got a lot of
CLEANSING to do!”

Woman: Oh!
Joe: As I feel like I am carrying the BURDEN here, but I am ALSO getting a lot of
assistance! This WONDERFUL little piece of jewelry was given to me this
morning. Where is...there she is right there. THIS has been POWERFUL!
This has been INCREDIBLE. I mean, it was incredible to just see it as a gift
and I felt a CHARGE when I received it! Are there opals...is that what’s on
here? Do you remember?
Female: Cornelian.
Joe: What is it?
Female: Cornelian.
Joe: Cornelian? Is that what it’s called? I don’t know all of the different gems and
so forth.
I DO KNOW that this has been POWERFUL, so I feel like I have been given
ASSISTANCE that’s helping me GROUND, because I am feeling a BUZZ
coming from this. I am feeling a BUZZ coming from the energy of the room.
Some people have already talked about this floor as shaking. One person said

the floor was shaking. Somebody else said that it felt like there was an
earthquake. Somebody else felt that they were dizzy, which I also felt a little
bit of, and they were attributing it to the room or the energy in the room. I
don’t know what’s going on. I’m just cleansing!
Audience: [Chuckle]
Joe: I don’t know! ONE of the questions that was coming up was the idea that with
Dr. Hew Len SAYING that when my book comes out, “The shit’s going to hit
the fan,” and the email that I got yesterday was only Level One, Level Six is
yet to come. Is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? Sound like a good question?
Audience: Yeah! Quite useful, actually.
Joe: Yeah! So, I am going to answer it intellectually and then see what HE says,
because my understanding is he is doing his best to READ whatever The
Divine is bringing to him.
Now, a long time ago, in one of the seminars I attended with him, the question
came up, “How do you KNOW when something that comes through is a
memory or from The Divine, as an Inspiration?” How do you know the
difference between a memory and an inspiration? Does anybody know?
[Pause] Yes?

Male: I believe Dr. Hew Len answered that question before lunch. He said, “You
DON’T know, just KEEP CLEANING.”
Joe: That’s exactly right. You DON’T KNOW and that’s what he said before,
“You don’t know!”
As I remember I was in a seminar and he picked on ME in that seminar in a
very loving way, but he said, “Joe, if somebody gets cancer, how do you know
if that came from their memory or that came from inspiration?”
I thought for awhile and I said, “Can you say that again?”
Joe: [Chuckling] He said, “If somebody has CANCER, did they get it from a
memory or did they get if from inspiration? Was it given to them from The
Divine as something to help them along in their journey?”
I thought for the LONGEST time, “Man, I should have a good answer to this.”
But, I didn’t! So I said, “I don’t know!”

He said, “That’s right! You don’t know! You don’t know! You just have to
clean! You don’t know.”
So, when you say, Dr. Hew Len that this is going to hit warp six or Level Six
and the book...all of this is going to hit the fan, do you want to address is that
a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Dr. Hew Len: Sure, yeah, okay. I want to know who said that. Who asked that question?
Joe: [Laughing] I asked the question!
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, okay. So, have you ever noticed, for example, that animals know an
earthquake is coming before you?
Audience: Yeah. Uh-huh.
Dr. Hew Len: [Chuckle] Why is that? Is that EARTH-fulfilling question?
Bruce: [Laughing the longest]

Dr. Hew Len: See...Bruce got it! That’s WONDERFUL!! So, wouldn’t you want to get
something before it happened and you can PREVENT it from happening?
Well [chuckling] I would!! Why (coming back again) is it that animals pick
these things up before we do? Because we are unconscious! But, they are
close to the Earth. They know how SACRED the Earth is!
This is why my friend Rodney...Rodney, come up here and bring the picture
of the mice or the rat. Now, my friend Rodney takes a picture and he’s
looking at this thing.
I’m looking at it and I say, “That’s a rat!” It’s a BEAUTIFUL picture!
He said...what are going to have an exhibit saying what?
Rodney: “Happy Accidents!”
Dr. Hew Len: Happy Accidents. So, this picture that he took is a Happy Accident, but this
picture here is of a little mice. Thank you. What that little mice is saying to
YOU, now that I SEE it come up, is IT knows that the Earthquake is going to
come before YOU! It’s not self-fulfilling, it’s going to HAPPEN! But,
SOMEBODY will pick it up before you, lucky you if they are cleaning.

So, this notion about self-fulfilling prophecy is again, just memories. You are
either in memory or you are in zero or you are in inspiration. What’s a self-
fulfilling prophecy? Bullshit stuff. Everybody knows that’s something’s going
to happen before WE do! The animals start running.
Did you notice, for example, when that earthquake hit, outside of the...I don’t
know what happened...before that hitting really came, all of the animals began
to move out! Except who?
Audience: The people.
Dr. Hew Len: The kids. They went down and LOOKED at the ocean and all of this! I mean,
come on! Give us a break! So, there are forces that KNOW that something is
going to happened before it happens! If I was you, I would like to be clean
enough so that YOU can SEE it and you can get the hell out of the way or
clean it up! Yeah. So, this notion about self-fulfilling is really an intellectual
gymnastics. I mean, you are either in or you are out. You are either in rhythm
or you are out. You can’t be in and out at the same time! You’ll split the
pants!

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So, if I were you, I would spend a LOT more time cleaning. When
something comes up, you should be, like my friend here, Gloria, you should
be pushing your foot to the wheel called cleaning!
Let’s say we have a discussion about self-fulfilling prophecy. It’ll go crazy!
Everybody will have an opinion. All hell will break loose. This is what you
find in psychiatric units! Yeah. People like you are going berserk! We want to
CALM everything down. We have that opportunity to do that by ERASING
this stuff!!! Anybody else with a question? Yes?
Now, we get to CLEAN with this now. This is an unclarity. So, we want to
THANK her for this. Yeah? Yes?
Nerissa: On the subject of being close to the Earth, would you consider the Native
Americans close to the Earth?
Dr. Hew Len: Now, when you say “Native Americans” I am not sure who you are talking
about, because I mean, that’s kind of a general...because there’s a whole
bunch of them. But...let me be more specific and I am not clear about what I
am talking about.
But there has been a tribe of Indians, American, that were the only folks as a
people who ULTIMATELY made the apex of Consciousness; which means

for them, they were SO CLEAR that they could walk through time and space
in different dimensions and not bother them. If you had that happen to you,
you’d go CRAZY! That’s what you find in psychiatric units!
People who REALLY CAN SEE AND KNOW, but we think that they are
crazy! That’s why for me it was such a privilege to be in a psychiatric facility
because I could see that they could see and I went, “Wow!”
Then I had a friend of mine just recently, he is a demolition...he has a
company that breaks things down. So he was invited, had an offer to go to this
psychiatric unit in New Jersey where there was a POSSIBLE job that he
would be taking down so-called Asbestos ceilings. He’s saying that he’s in
this ward and ALL of these people going by, I mean like [humming sounds].
He is describing this.
He said, “Wow!”
His skin was crawling. It was like, he felt like he was in a different dimension.
He did his cleaning. When he did his cleaning, he couldn’t hear them
anymore. Everything just...he was in his own place where he needs...where
you are. As long as you are in your own place, everybody else will be,
everything will go quiet, but the idea is...there was, if you asking about THAT
particular Indian tribe there was ONE who went completely to the Apex.

In fact, if you look at their culture, see...I am hopefully erasing confusion
over here. If you look at this particular culture, in general, the Indians, one of
the things that you’ll see is that they build something called a Tee-Pee. So, I
am looking at the Tee-Pee from the top down. Have you ever seen a Tee-Pee
from the top down? [Chuckling] Sorry.
Dr. Hew Len: What you do...and would you SEE it...you would see it like that! Now, if you
went to Egypt, where we think it’s such a big deal, so you go to see THOSE
folks. This was built on what premise? What were the pyramids built… on
what premise?
Audience: Was it power?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, it was power and glory! But, the Indians had a different take. They
weren’t interested in power and glory. They were interested in the SPIRT! So,
THEY did come in because they were inspired, because the circle means
what? Completion!! Completion!! So this notion that...you are getting
this...but, see, we think that...one of the things that you will see if you actually
trace them, when they are gone they are gone! These things GO!! [Laughing]
They go! Sorry.

Dr. Hew Len: The Indians have SUCH a LOVE for the EARTH, that when they went,
everything went. You don’t see any monument. We Americans are big on
monuments, but the Indians were for the land. It was Sacred, so they left
NOTHING behind, which is GREAT!! When they were done, they were
done! So this idea with the Indians, this CONSCIOUSNESS, this completion,
this ability to actually...they used CORN as the ability to touch the Cosmos.
They used the Redwood to touch the Cosmos. For them, they were cleaning
tools. So, their Consciousness was SO COMPLETE, it was just mind
boggling.
That’s something that perhaps you and I would have difficulty to be in that
state of conscious and being everywhere at once. I mean, you are here, there,
like the Picasso pictures? You ear is there, your nose is...I mean. That’s how
goofy you could be in this so called consciousness in which nothing logical,
linear exists and that’s where YOU want to be. That’s where I want to show
you that YOU can go. You can go and be everywhere and nowhere at once.
Yet, that’s the only reason why I am here is to show you something that you
already know, already have, it’s already yours.

I am just saying, “Hello!” [Chuckling] This is YOU! When you are YOU,
complete, whole, you are everywhere and nowhere at once! You are FREE!
As opposed to being stuck in, “I know. I believe.” This is just...it’s crazy! But
to get it back to zero, it’s a TOUGH place to go!
The ultimate goal/purpose is to go HOME! When you are HOME, that means
that you are at home with yourself. It’s like if you read like Hamlet, Hamlet is
accused by Laertes that he DID something.
Hamlet is saying, “No, I didn’t do it! It’s my memory that did it! Not me.”
He’s still responsible, but he was CLEAR enough to know that he didn’t
offend Laertes, not HIM, the MEMORY offended him, but he was
RESPONSIBLE for that.
Now, if you want to know the other person as God created the other person,
you can ONLY know the other person from Zero, from yourself. There is no
other way that you can know the person. You can not grasp the other person
with a memory. It’s not possible. It’s NOT possible. You can not grasp
knowledge and wisdom. You can’t! You can’t hold...once you are stuck in
memory, you are stuck in time, place, and emotions. You are stuck!! But, once
you get RID of it, once you do your cleaning and get rid of it, now you are

back to yourself and Divinity shows up and you get reborn! That’s what
Inspiration is...is to be reborn, made new again. Yeah.
That’s all we are going to do today. I am going to show you some cleaning
tools in which you can do that. Any questions? [Pause] Wow!! You should
have more lunch!!
Dr. Hew Len: I’m sorry. Yes?
Nerissa: Is...the sense that I get from what you are saying is that we are going back to a
place of endless possibilities where we don’t allow our emotions, our
memories, our beliefs...all the things that we’ve been taught, influence
whatever comes to us so that we are more free thinking, that we are not bound
by the limitations that we believe that we have.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. To be more accurate, we have created, accepted, and accumulated. You
and me are responsible. Our parents didn’t do it to us, nobody did it to us. We
didn’t LEARN from it. We CAME IN WITH IT!!
Nerissa: We came in with it?

Dr. Hew Len: YES!! So, the question is we are LOADED!! So, now, how do we...how are
we...are we willing to say, “I am willing to ‘Let Go and Let God’”? If you are
willing to do that and you don’t have to know anything, because to know
something is to have knowledge? You want wisdom! The only way that you
are going to get to this wisdom is you have to ‘Let Go and Let God.’ What is
that that you are letting go? Who knows? Who knows?
I’ll give you an example. There was a family that came from Africa to take the
class in Maui that I did recently in November. So, to make the story short,
they were concerned...the mother and the father and the sister were concerned
that their son or their brother was on Cocaine and all of that sort of stuff. Now,
do you know what Cocaine will do to you?
Nerissa: I’ve never done it.
Dr. Hew Len: I know, but do you know...so...but you don’t WANT to know.
Nerissa: No.
Dr. Hew Len: No. But now, when that happens is that when somebody is in that state, what
do WE do? We try to SAVE them! Not possible!! We have to save our own
butts! If we save our own butts, THEY will be fine.

Nerissa: That’s what they say.
Dr. Hew Len: Guarantee!!! It’s that old Biblical saying, “You’ve got to take the moat out of
your OWN eye before you take it out of your brother’s eye.” You’ve got to do
it!! There is no way out!! Because what you are seeing is always seeing with
dark glasses. You NEVER see correctly. [Pause] I want to let you know that
the Intellect is SO POTENT...POTENT!!!
It says this. It says that. It says, “How come?” It asks questions and then it
goes on, but the Intellect is only replaying Data! To ‘let it go’ is tough!! The
intellect will struggle. It will KILL you rather than give it up. Did you know
that? That’s why we have wars. [Pause]
But nobody dies! Did you know that? Nobody dies. I mean, if you
experience...I guess I better watch what I...I am SAFE with this...huh? Yeah! I
am safe. So, here’s death. I am going to put death on the board. That’s it! But
YOU can not die!!! It’s not possible. You can experience death, but you can’t
die; that which God created whole and perfect. That perfect part of you can
not die. How WONDERFUL!!! But you can experience death. But, it’s just a
LOUSY memory!!
Now, we can get through all of the patterns like tug and pull because the
Intellect is...I am not saying don’t do it, but the Intellect is ferocious. It will

eat you up. This is why for ME that it is DANGEROUS to do these kinds of
classes, you know? Yeah. I’m surprised even JOE will do it! You know? So,
having SAID all of that, any questions about anything? Because I am going to
go into another cleaning tool.
Yes, Joseph?
Joe: How did you handle the people that came to you with the son that had
Cocaine problems?
Dr. Hew Len: Very simple. I just did my cleaning.
Joe: But when they came to you, were you quiet? Did you talk to them?
Dr. Hew Len: Here’s what happens. So I am going to show you the mechanics of what
happens. So, I want you to know that there is only one...there are no two or
three Gods, like in the Greeks. The Greeks had MANY Gods. The Romans
had many. But for YOU or at least the pitch that I am going to make, you only
have ONE Divinity.
So now here is this person that I am going to call “the Papa.” [Marker /
Drawing sounds] Here is me to keep it simple. So, in the beginning when we
were created we were created perfect, see? Zero which...zero means, “nothing

happening...pure at state of bliss,” kind of like nothing to do, don’t have to
work, don’t have to earn a living, don’t have to worry about being in a
relationship. What? No relationship?
Dr. Hew Len: You are FREE!! This is the way that you will always be. Now, the
PROBLEM is...so, now the Papa shows up in my life and this is me
[Marker/Drawing sounds].
Papa says to me, “My son has this problem.”
Well, the reason that Papa is saying it is because we have memories in
common...as simple as that! Papa wouldn’t tell me that if I was free and he
was free. He’d tell it to somebody else! But, there I am. I am stuck!! So,
now...what happens is...you can do what with it? [Pause] What can you do
with this if you were me?
Nerissa: Take it up to The Divine.
Dr. Hew Len: Okay, but what’s the USUAL route to go?
Male: Erase it.

Dr. Hew Len: What’s the USUAL route?
Audience: To try to FIX it! To fix it!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! [Chuckling] The idea is that you are going to try to say, “Well, how
come? Why?” I mean, you know, but what you don’t REALIZE is that
BEHIND the Papa is zillions and zillions and zillions and zillions of family
relatives and ancestors. So, if you take Papa on, you are taking them ALL on.
This is how...if you do it, if you are going to clean, if you do it to them, you
are going to be burned to the max. You are taking on [chuckle] a whole slew
of people.
Because the WAY to do it is VERY SIMPLE, so if you say...you are willing
to be one 100% responsible, “What’s going on in ME that I should experience
THIS with the father?” Well, you go very simple!
So now, the Conscious Mind...this is the Conscious, this is the subconscious,
you’ve got to pay attention, because I am talking about ME and YOU! So,
now, the Conscious Mind has said, “Uh-oh! What is going on in ME that I
experience this?” Not, “What’s HIS problem?” Have you noticed we are
always saying, “What is the other person problem?” Not here in Texas, only
in Hawaii?

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. What’s his problem?
Okay, so NOW I do the cleaning. Let’s do the cleaning called, “I love you! I
love you!” That’s the Conscious Mind that has decided it’s going to be one
100% responsible. As you remember, when I said “I love you” what is
involved in that? What are the elements involved as repent, “I am sorry,”
forgive “Please forgive me,” and then the transmutation. So, over here I do the
cleaning. I go, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. [Thank you.]” The
thing goes DOWN. It NEVER goes up! It always goes DOWN to the
Subconscious because THAT’S where the problem is, it always goes down.
So, when you make a petition, if you petition directly to The Divinity, it never
works. It’s going the wrong way! It HAS to go DOWN into your SOUL
where the problem is. So, now it goes down, it goes UP to the Super
Conscious of the Spirit. You’ll get it! The Super Conscious of the Spirit goes
UP. Then it goes up to The Divinity. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding
and then you say, “OH! You are taking responsibility.”
So, now what happens is then the Energy called the Manna goes downward, it
goes down this side, spiritually. That’s how it goes. It goes down together
MENTALLY!! So, subconscious...the Conscious Mind is a MENTAL aspect.

It goes DOWN into the Subconscious. Then it begins a process of...taking that
memory and purifying it, taking it to PURE ENERGY. Just...this is what
Divinity can do and then it leaves it blank. It released it!
So NOW, everything is back to Zero again and if I am willing to keep doing
that, that fellow will be okay, because if you are okay, then everybody else is.
If you are not, then you can tell RIGHT AWAY! That’s the simplicity of it all.
Yes, sir?
Sir: Could you just go back to the...and walk us through that one more time?
Dr. Hew Len: This one?
Sir: That one before it. [Paper turning by Dr. Hew Len heard] That one.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So...problem…what is the definition of a problem? A memory in the
Subconscious. So, somebody comes and SEES me like when I went to the
hospital. I never worked on anybody. Everybody is perfect. The only thing
that is IMPERFECT is the Data. That’s the imperfection!! Everybody is
perfect. The client is perfect. The berry is perfect. The papa is perfect. I am
perfect. What is imperfect is the data...the information!

So, when you say, “I love you,” that begins a process of remedy. It remediates
the problem, which is the memory, so the energy goes DOWN into the
subconscious, goes UP to The Divinity who can transmute or void the
memory, only THIS can do it. Then, it sends out on the Manna both sides
comes down and ERASES both of those and it CUTS the tie and you are
FREE, as you were in the beginning! So, you are free! This working and then
you are free. Once you are free, everything else is free on the Earth.
For example, if you travel and you experience jet lag, jet lag is simply a
memory, THOUSANDS of memory. So, I am going to show you how you can
prevent jet lag. I don’t know how many of you travel, but I am going to show
you how to do it. It’s very simple to do. But NOW, I am going to show you
that no matter how you travel, you can always BE HOME in yourself and not
experience jet lag! Okay? So, I am going to do that now, unless you have any
questions about how it works. Yes?
Female: I have a question on ME on PRAYER, a petition to God.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Female: So, that needs to go, I was thinking that it’s going UPWARD. So, I am
rethinking that now, that it needs to go DOWNWARD then back UP?

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, because the Subconscious is the bridge. You have to cross that bridge...
Female: The Subconscious is a bridge to your self [inaudible]? [Sound of paper
turning]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, otherwise you leave out an important part of the resources which is this.
This is the most important part of you is that Subconscious. But, if you go UP,
which you can’t do it. You would leave that part of you gone, when that’s
where the problem is.
Female: Thank you.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. Yes?
Woman: On that, is it fair to say that this family that came to see you had this problem
in common with you or it was a problem you had in common with them?
Dr. Hew Len: Does it make any difference?
Woman: I guess, what I am trying to sort out is...that the two of you came together for a
reason to erase that memory.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

Woman: Once that memory is erased, then the problem for both of you is gone.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
Woman: Okay. Even though it wasn’t a direct problem for you?
Dr. Hew Len: It IS a direct problem for me.
Woman: But you didn’t know it until you....
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah, and that’s why I am saying to Joe Vitale. The book is going to go
out and a lot of stuff is going to come up that we don’t know that is there.
Woman: That we don’t KNOW that it is there.
Dr. Hew Len: Absolutely!
Woman: But if....
Dr. Hew Len: But if we are READY, we can start the cleaning now. So, for example, before
YOU came, I have your name. I work on you, this place, whatever is IN ME
that would come up as CRAP, which means then that the whole training

would go rather like that, but I AM RESPONSIBLE. I am not going to wait
up on anybody. If I waited up on anybody else, I’d be in trouble, because this
table right here is saying, “I WANT to be free!” But, nobody pays attention to
the table. Did you?
Woman: No.
Dr. Hew Len: Why not?
Woman: That’s a good question.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, well, because we don’t have an appreciation that everything is Life
forms. Everything breathes! The carpet breathes! The room breathes! We have
a responsibility to set everything free! We are not expecting you to do that!
That’s why I am here. I am here to say, “Hello! This room is Sacred!
[Chuckle] ” We don’t want anything undoing it, because if it gets undone, we
are going to be in trouble! Now, I am cleaning. I am watching. I am going,
“Uh-oh!” This morning, in Los Angeles I heard this particular say, “Oh, I
have financial problems!” Can you imagine a chair having financial
problems?

Dr. Hew Len: I mean, doesn’t that sound crazy? But what happens if YOU sat on it? You’d
have that problem, too.
Woman: I am clearing!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah!! Yeah!!
Woman: Thank you!
Dr. Hew Len: So, now, if this chair...this is the chair. It has the three cells. If this chair has
that memory, guess what? We ALL have it! We ALL have it! There’s that old
Dumas novel, “All for One and One for.....”
Audience: “...All.”
Dr. Hew Len: If one is out, we are all out. So, the idea is, “Hey, get to work.” So, when I did
my cleaning, I washed the room, washed the chairs....wow!! The chairs went
crazy!!!

Male: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Yes. You can’t blame anybody. Who are we going to blame? Nobody! Well,
you have to be one 100% responsible. I am not here to blame. If I blame, I
don’t get my work done and then I am crazy. So, it’s as simple as that.
Problem. Where? In everything. How do you work on it? YOU “I love you.
Thank you.” I’m going to show you some others. The problem, the energy,
The Divinity hears you, Divinity goes UP, erase, erase, takes you back to
HOME AGAIN!
Then, you get what Joe is telling me. HE is getting all of this inspiration to do
this, to do that, and you can do it, too. He is NOT unique. You can do it, too.
Because there are things, for example, Joe...there are things that Joe can do I
can NEVER do. I am not CREATED to do that. But, there are things that I
can do, he can’t do, you can’t do, but there are things that YOU CAN DO. So,
wouldn’t it be nice if we were all friendly? So, we can all get...you know?
Dr. Hew Hen: So we can all get about our business and DO what we came to do! [Pause and
Laughing] That’s all I am here to do is to say, “Hello!”

Dr. Hew Len: Let’s be friendly. We can all be...yeah, yeah. Yes?
Female: Practically, do you listen to them at the same time that you do, “Thank you. I
love you”? Do you do it afterwards? Do you teach them to do it?
Dr. Hew Len: I do it day in, day out, coming, going. So, as I went to lunch, I was already
cleaning with the food, the place, the room. When I left this room, I didn’t
want to leave any garbage behind, so I did my cleaning with the room, I
watched it. You could kind of see the room kind of stretch, the ceiling “Ah!”
[Chuckling] Really!! I did it with his camera, the sound system, I did it all!
Because, listen, they are recording you. If you get sent out into the world,
which this thing will do, whatever is out there, you’re going to be bombed!!
Did you know that? Whatever you put out, will come back and bomb you!!
Well, I don’t want that to happen to me. Well, I don’t want it to happen to
YOU folks but [chuckle] I am CLEANING with all of this stuff, so when it
goes out it goes out what? CLEAN!!! It will do its THING!! If it doesn’t go
out clean, it’s HELL to pay for all of us!
I LOVE THIS!!! Because it’s 100% responsibility [pause] for everything!!!
So, now, Joe is going to put those things out...I mean, we want to make sure if
we go WITH it [Chuckle] we are not going to be slammed by it, because it
will slam us!! This is why the cleaning is so important, because you are

cutting. Here is the film. Here is you. Here is the film. You do your cleaning.
You cut your tie. The film becomes Zero. You become Zero. It goes out clean.
But, if you don’t do your cleaning, it won’t go out clean. So, all of this filming
that people are doing, boy, if I were running those things, I would go back and
do all of the cleaning with anything I have ever produced!!! ANYTHING!!!
You can clean with it!! So, anybody? Yes?
Lady: So, I’m trying to compare this with recovery programs, twelve-step programs.
There are so many families that are traumatized by loved ones that have
addictions and if we somehow could make them understand this kind of...
Dr. Hew Len: Well, you DON’T WANT them to understand it!! What YOU want to do is do
your cleaning, so you can de-traumatize them by de-traumatizing YOU!
They’ll be FINE, if you are Zero!!! In other words, if you are doing your
cleaning and you are back to Zero, they’ll go back to Zero. They’ve got to go!
Divinity is not just going to take care of YOU!! So, if you are working with
families, anything that comes up, it’s just a memory. It’s NOT THEM! They
are perfect. You are perfect. It’s a memory. So, if it comes off of you, it’ll
come off of you. It’ll come off of ships. It’ll come off of oceans. You can not
believe how this thing will come off. It’s monumental!!! Even though, you
just say, “I love you!” You can not see the enormity of it all! So, the idea is,
“If you take good care of yourself, everything else will be okay.”

Female: You know, I DO take care of myself. I am thinking of the OTHERS.
Dr. Hew Len: [Chuckling]
Female: The other families...
Female: ...to take care of, you know?
Dr. Hew Len: You can GIVE THAT UP!!
Speaker: Yes!
Dr. Hew Len: Because what I am seeing is you THINK they need help, this is your thoughts
of them, when you can let those thoughts go.
Female: When I see the suffering, yes, then I can do something.
Dr. Hew Len: That’s right! If you feel the suffering, you can let it go!!! When you let it go, it
will be gone for them!!! [Pause]

You know, for example, I’ve got to come back...this was twenty something
years ago. It’s got to come back to Hawaii State Hospital. So, I walk the
building. Don’t talk to anybody unless somebody comes up to me. But you
could...we only pay attention to the HUMAN SIDE. We don’t see what the
buildings suffer. I mean SUFFER!! You can hear the plumbing suffer. No
trees, I mean, no plants could grow in this unit. No plant, nothing at all. The
paint was peeling. The repair people would not want to come in because every
time they come and do a painting, in a month or two it’d be peeling. Well,
nobody looks at how traumatized the environment is!!! I don’t know anybody
that has got a Ph.D. in how to make a building feel wonderful!!! Anybody got
a Ph.D. in how we can make buildings feel wonderful? Yeah. Thank you
VERY much!
Woman: [Laughing]
Female: Yeah.
Female: So, Doctor....?
Dr. Hew Len: So, all you have to do is take care of yourself, really!! Yes?

Female: The same thing is if you were like in hospitals and you wanted to clear the
energy in the hospital it’s the same thing. You are in that...you are seeing that
hospital so it’s part of you, down to the subconscious.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah.
Female: Or Manna, the same thing.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah!
Female: You don’t LOVE the building. You go back to the same process.
Dr. Hew Len: No, you are coming back to yourself, because it is IN YOU the problem lies,
NOT anywhere else!!! So, if you are going to be working...if you are a nurse
or anything else, you are working on YOUR THOUGHTS OF, your
experiences of. You are not working on the building. The building is perfect.
Sorry.
Female: So, when you cleared this room before you came, you worked on yourself
about this room?
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, I worked on whatever memories I had with the land, with the place, with
people, with you, with the environment, with the building. I would ask, for

example, “If the owner, if he had problems with building of his building.”
Shall we ask him?
Did you ever have any concerns about the building of this building? Did
anything happen that...now LISTEN, because he’s going to TELL US. Like,
what for example?
David/Owner: You can have a sense about a building when you build it whether it’s
[pause].... Yeah, it’s a vibration I guess. It’s something…but the concrete
comes and if it’s not mixed correctly, I know it.
Dr. Hew Len: You see that? I mean that’s unusual that HE would KNOW that when a
concrete is mixed before it comes, he KNOWS it’s not correct! How many of
YOU would know that? He has this SENSE for that. Now, what I am saying
to him, he can CLEAN it before they MIX IT! When he cleans it, they will
mix it perfectly!!! But, this building, as I watch this building, this building is a
wonderful building, but it has had some rocky beginnings. I think it’s
WONDERFUL! You talk to the building.
“Really?”
“Yeah!”

I keep saying, they brought these things and I go, “Oh, my God, they are
going to put that on me?”
So, you have this conversation...and beautiful!
But there he is, see? So, he has this sense and now you are in this building. If
your building is unhappy, you are going to have problems!! So, we want to
THANK HIM, see, for having this kind of AWARENESS. Can you imagine
now, if he is paying attention and the building knows that he LOVES it, this
building will go to the max for him, which MEANS this building can stay up
twenty years beyond however he lived. This building will FEEL this LOVE
once and for all and it will...you’d have to TEAR it down, no termite is going
to get it, no earthquake. Really!! If it FEELS LOVE...even cars.
Dr. Hew Len: Even cars! I had somebody moan and groan, but they always had repair
problems. I am watching. I am cleaning.
Then the car, you could hear the car say, “Well, he is not taking care of me,
why should I take care of him?”

Can you imagine? Well, that’s what happens. We get what we deserve. Too
bad!
Female: [Laughing]
Woman: Wouldn’t we know when to STOP about a particular issue?
Dr. Hew Len: Why do you even want to PAY ATTENTION to that?
Woman: Well, a lot of time, I am just CONTINUING it.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but if you DO it and the cleaning, it’s a shift. It’ll shift on its own. You
don’t have to pay attention to it.
Woman: But, like your example, you cleaned and cleared before you came here.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah and I STILL AM!
Woman: Well, yeah, and you will CONTINUE.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah.
Woman: Okay.

Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah, I’ll continue for YEARS.
Woman: Thank you.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, years after I leave. It’s not done! I’m not just passing through.
Woman: So, we should have an arm/mind phrase...a frame of mind, “Just to
CONSTANTLY be doing it.”
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah! Because this building has family...up in the air! So you are cleaning
with this building, this building will say to those guys up there, “WOW! If
you were here, you should see the good time I am having!” But if you are not
doing the cleaning, this building will not support you. The electrical system
will do crazy stuff. Yes?
Man: You shared at lunch time that you have been doing this since the 1980’s?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Man: Okay, do you feel now that since you’ve been doing it SO LONG that it has
percolated right down to your Subconscious, also?

Dr. Hew Len: I would say that much of the cleaning goes on in my child. Yeah. Yeah.
Man: So, it’s just working on it consciously.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but what happens...what happens is...and then I would like to take a
break, because otherwise your...the subconscious is all going to leave and go
on a break themselves, you know? [Marker / Drawing sounds].
So, let’s look at you. I am talking about you as a Mind. So, this is cell. This is
you as a cell or your mind; so all of the problems start here. Then, the problem
has exacerbated because the Intellect hooks into that. So, this is the Intellect
and this is physical aspects of mind. It is not the biology, but the physical
aspect.
So, as soon as the memory comes up, the Intellect hooks into it. So, “I know
what is going on,” or, “This is what I am going to do.”
But, it doesn’t know what is going on! So now, I have done it really just for
EONS literally. So know, this child had heard my cleaning process and there
are LOTS of them, but let me just put, “I love you.” So, this child already
knows, because I have done it so often, that’s what it needs to do if it feels a
problem.

Mister: So, are you doing this when your mind...I mean, are you focused on your life,
you are going about doing whatever it is that you do, are you doing it
whenever your mind begins to wander?
Dr. Hew Len: I would say that would be a theme. Yeah. If I FEEL something up at THIS
level, if something POPS up, I start to do cleaning, yeah. But, there are
THOUSANDS and MILLIONS of cleaning that is going on down here,
because it’s already been programmed to say, “Hey, when a problem comes
up, let’s get to it!”
Mister: Right.
Dr. Hew Len: Because it’s the one that suffers, it’s willing to do it. The SUFFERING is
HERE, not up here. This is a person that is going like that, big deal, but here is
the suffering is enormous.
Mister: So, then for you, it’s become like a reflex.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, I don’t know about that...yeah, possibly. But, if I’ve been doing it long
enough, that part of it says, “Oh, that’s the way that it works.” If I decide I am
going to do something else, then it gets confused.

Mister: But you...when you make the choice to begin your chants, do you actually
THINK about it or does it just actually begin?
Dr. Hew Len: It just begins! Yeah. Anybody else before we take a break? Going once!
Going twice! Oh, let’s take a break.
Joe: Yeah.
Audience: [Talking amongst themselves]
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Zero Limits Retreat: Audio 2

Jan. 19 – 21, 2007

Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len

Audience: [A few chuckles]

Joe: Dr. Hew Len!

I can erase this stuff.

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So, I am just going to draw this line. Okay?

life?” Everybody...and everybody is kind of like, “Um, I don’t know!”

The other state of being...this is called Inspiration. This is called INPIRE.

Inspire means to have it DRAWN IN.

is you. This is YOU!

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can’t do anything else but follow this.

called fore-be-moan moan. It’s a record of a past history of a past problem, a

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always present. You are NEVER not there! [Chuckle] This is SO

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Shakespeare writing the tragedies, the comedies, the sonnets are SO

BEAUTIFUL, because this is what ALL of Shakespeare is about -- either you

are yourself or you are not. So you read, Lyre, Hamlet...yeah.

situation and you are STUCK. Here you are.

CLEANING is you want to RETURN to the ORIGINAL STATE. So, this is

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to get your OPPONENT out of the way.

inspired! There is nothing else that you are here to do.

for lunch in a few minutes. Okay.

Bruce: I have a question, Dr. Len.

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Bruce: I have a hard time remembering things.

Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

Bruce: Is that because I am clearing...I am cleaning?

remembering things.” It’s just a memory. Alzheimer’s and all of that...I am

We always come from NEED...we NEED THAT!!

ABSOLUTELY quiet: no struggle, no right, no wrong, no intentions, no

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CAN’T GRASP THIS, by the way!!

Female: Because it’s not there!

memory. But you can’t...

Female: Once you bring memory in, it’s not your....

KNOWLEDGE. This is Knowledge, this is what Man uses. This is

the two, knowledge...wisdom. When I was training with a Ph.D.; knowledge.

Divinity said, “I can train you”; wisdom.

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that? Color, sex, religion...none of that is important to The Divinity. What is

important is LOVE and that’s WHO YOU ARE!

So, I am going to pause...because I can see some bubbles come up....and we

love you,” because the questions come up. Yes, Ma’am?

Jillian: If I am in the presence of another person or I have another person in my mind

and either that person is experiencing a problem that I am resonating with OR

phrases. Am I saying, “I love you,” to The Divine in BOTH of us? “I forgive

how he would answer that. Now, REMEMBER...we get to clean. This is

is coming up that we get to work on.

Some of you are already like, “I’ve got a comment to make.”

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Dempsey: Tell me the question again.

Dr. Hew Len: [Laughing]

Dempsey: I’m sorry, but I want to be CLEAR on that.

Dr. Hew Len: [Laughing]

Dempsey: I mean, is she saying it for BOTH?

hear what I said?

Dr. Hew Len: She is saying to you, “I am giving you an opportunity.”

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