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I model the two steel plates connected, the sides of them are modeled by connector element, and the contact
surface, I use contact command. But ABAUQUS, give me the warning below:
***WARNING: THE SYSTEM MATRIX HAS 239 NEGATIVE EIGENVALUES.
***WARNING: OVERCLOSURE OF CONTACT SURFACES ANGLEPLANE and GUSSETPLANE IS TOO
SEVERE -- CUTBACK WILL RESULT. YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE VALUE OF HCRIT ON THE
*CONTACT PAIR OPTION. SLAVE NODE 3513 OF CONTACT PAIR (ANGLEPLANE,GUSSETPLANE)
HAS JUST CLOSED. A NEW CONTACT PATCH NEEDS TO BE DEFINED FOR THE SLAVE NODE.
And I use this commond *Surface Behavior, no separation, pressure-overclosure=HARD and connenctor
element is 3D Connector element : beam to located at the edge nodes of two plates I only want to model the two
contact surface deform with each other without friction,They can't penetrate into each other's inside. Would you
give me some suggestion! Thanks in advance
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I am not all that experienced with Abaqus, but I think what the error means is that there are 239 negative
volumes / elemenst in ur model. It might be due to meshing very close surfaces together that your elements
between the plates have turned inside out. Ur model has to be free of all the negative elements before you can
do any analysis on it. If u are modeling two simple plates, u can try meshing them on another meshing program
and then make sure that there is no negative elements in the mesh before u import it in Abaqus to do any
analysis. Guys, feel free to correct me if I have mistaken.
May be ur initial penetration is too much (modeling) or ur initial time step is too high. ABAQUS is trying to
resolve overclosure there. Either adjust model so that it will be "just contact" or "just before contact" distance,
or reduce ur initial time step so that u can avoid overclosure thingy. But it may be because of normal issue ?
If it it plate contact, I think it will be working fine with few adjustment...
By the way, how are u dealing with edge line contact ???
I get the same messages when running a contact problem. Is it realted to ABAQUS CAE, did anyone tried to
use the "Contact Pair" option in ABAQUS Explicit?
If it worked some other way please advice, thanks
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I am currently doing some analyses including contacts for a composite shell. To have a better understanding
about contact, I started by modelling a composite beam consisting of three layers (Steel/Polymer/Steel). The
steel plates were master surface and polymeric layer was slave. I was expecting that when I am pressing the
steel plates, the polymeric layer should slide and squeeze out (the Poisson抯 effect).
I was using solid elements (brick element). On the contact surfaces, the slave and mater nodes had the same
coordinate but different node numbers. When I was using reduced integration point formulation for 1st or 2nd
order elements, the solution did not converge and I had warning messages regarding numerical singularity and
overclosure suggesting to change HCRIT, etc. Even when I refined the mesh for slave surface (twice as master
surface), the problem did not disappear until mesh refinement in slave surface was in a way that the nodes in
slave and master were not 揷oincide? Furthermore, I had to use full integration elements rather than reduced
integration elements -even in 2nd order elements- to allow the analysis converges, which is strange to me. First
of all, my question is why this is a case (mesh refinement in slave surface and avoiding reduced integration
point formulation for the 2nd order elements)? Having succeeded in analysis of composite beam (although I
have problem to understand why this is a case), I modelled a long shell (L/D=10) with three layers
(Steel/Polymer/Steel), allowing the same sort of contact describing above. I ended up with memory shortage (I
have modified the pre-memory and standard memory as high as I could). A simple solution to memory is to add
RAM, but I am hopefully trying to solve the problem in other ways. Now my second question is, how one can
搊ptimise?The size of the model when you are dealing with contact. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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It's very hard to define "optimal contact definition" in general. It depends on many variables...but usually... 1.
Define contact where only contact is occuring. Usually I run without contact (disp loading) to see where it
penetrates, then grow contact from that region... 2. If it really is not serious contact (large sliding etc), try to use
simplified version (small sliding, etc).
So, I think the less contact I have it's better situation... I am not sure about full-integration, reduced integration
shell...I thought ABAQUS is using kinematic relation type contact (penalty in explicit), surface is generated
based on nodes/surface (master), then keep calculating relative distance between master/slave (nodes) etc...not
sure where integration point thing comes in.
More node (refined) will generate smoother surface..depends on what contact u are using (finite sliding, small
sliding, etc), the number of nodes to check distance will increase.....
Solution will converge if u use small step, displacement type loading until it reaches problem points, apply very
small initial increment and check in what instance ABAQUS is having trouble...(assuming no serious
overclosure)..
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possibility that the contact wasn't working properly.
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This is puzzling. Do you mean that:
a) The rigid bodies are controlled by displacements (zero or non-zero) and
b) The nodes on the surface of the deformable body which are in contact with the rigid body are fixed????
Then nothing will move and no deformation will occur.
This geometry is almost the same as an example in "ABAQUS Example Problems Manual - Volume 1", the
Example is CYLINDRICAL CUP DEEP DRAWING.
Now I want a little change in this.
1-- Instead of Punch I want to use the FLUID PRESSURE.
2-- Material held between the HOLDER and DIE should not be moved, when the deformation takes place
meaning only part of material under FLUID PRESSURE is deformed. I hope this will clear what i want to do.
I will be greatly looking for the suggestion.
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Check your surface normals. If they are in the wrong direction, ABAQUS thinks your surfaces have already
penetrated each other.
Thanks Rich for the reply...
My *.dat file shows that the normals have been assumed by ABAQUS. The message is
***WARNING: NODE 4 ON SURFACE SP000009 HAS FACETS WITH NORMAL VECTORS DIFFERING
BY MORE THAN 30 DEGREES. CONVERGENCE DIFFICULTIES MAY OCCUR AT THIS NODE WITH
FINITE-SLIDING CONTACT. THE NORMAL CONTACT DIRECTION AT THIS NODE WILL BE
(0.0000,0.70622,0.70799).
Any remedial action to avoid this.
I think this topic of Contact Penetration has been discussed in the previous mails. Try a word search with
contact.
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**Try to impose a small displacement instead of a load in order to initialized the contact.
First step: small displacement
Second step: you replace the displacement by the load
Becarfull: do not forget your real boundaries.
Second method: use the parameter APPROACH in *Contact Controls command
Do you have SMALL SLIDING or finite sliding ? How do you move your second body? Just a force load ? If
this is true, try a step with a small prescribed motion to close the contact, then run a second step, remove the
boundary and add your force. This will run. Use *CONTACT CONTROLS, ANALYSIS=DISCONTINUOUS.
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**593 Couple of Questions
I'm wondering nobody couldn't give me guide(s) about my questions? Could you please reply me if you can?
Soheil (below is my previous message) Dear Group I'm a phd student at Heriot-Watt University, UK.
I want to model the bending of pipe on rigid circular surface. I faced with problem in "contact" of pipe which
has been modelled by "S4" element and the rigid surface which modelled by "R3D4" elemnt. I would like to
know:
1- What is the best way for modelling of a 3-D circular rigid surface (e.g. An exterior surface of a quarter of
cylinder)?
2-What is the command name in ABAQUS for "merging" of nodes? In other softwares like LUSAS or NISA,
the "merge" command is used. I guess it is MPC in ABAQUS, isn't it?
3-Which parameters should be taken into account when you want to choose a magnitude for increment, i.e.
INC=....?
4- I faced the following WARNING message in .msg file. What should I do to overcome it? What does it mean
"VALUE OF HCRIT"?
***WARNING: OVERCLOSURE OF CONTACT SURFACES SHELSUR and RGDSUR IS TOO SEVERE --
CUTBACK WILL RESULT. YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE VALUE OF HCRIT ON THE
*CONTACT PAIR OPTION.
(SHELSURF is positive side of pipe and RGDSUR is rigid surface).
5-Finally, about print of .odb files, what is the procedure? I couldn't find any rough described path in
ABAQUS/Viewer manual. I want to know what should I type in "Print Command" box when you open "print"
window. I seek help of everybody and I do appreciate your help in advance.
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1.Best way of modeling rigid surface is building up the surface with analytical surface. Analytical one is always
better than numerically discretized one in view of analysis costs, and accuracy. It's like mises is better than
tresca in terms of easiness of numerical implementation.
2.It's MPC TIED. It does not merge the nodes as you want, it simply eliminates dof of specified nodes in
stiffness matrix and makes this node inactive during current analysis.
3.Im not sure what is the keypoint of this question. If you want to use user defined time increment , use
DIRECT keyword in *STATIC.
4. This message generally arise when there is large amount of penetration during current sdi. HCRIT means ... If
there developed contact penetration larger than this value, there'll be cut-back rather than more iteration.
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INC=....?
4- I faced the following WARNING message in .msg file. What should I do to overcome it? What does it mean
"VALUE OF HCRIT"?
***WARNING: OVERCLOSURE OF CONTACT SURFACES SHELSUR and RGDSUR IS TOO SEVERE
-- CUTBACK WILL RESULT. YOU MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE VALUE OF HCRIT ON THE
*CONTACT PAIR OPTION.
(SHELSURF is positive side of pipe and RGDSUR is rigid surface).
5-Finally, about print of .odb files, what is the procedure? I couldn't find any rough described path in
ABAQUS/Viewer manual.
I seek help of everybody and I do appreciate your help in advance.
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