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Michael Schelle: The Score: Interviews with Film


Composers
Beverly Hills: Silman-James Press, 1999 [xviii, 427 p. ISBN: 1-879-50540-1. $19.95]

NICHOLAS REYLAND

C
omposers, when asked Joel McNeely, Thomas Newman, examination of the “rhetoric of
about their life and work, Marc Shaiman, Howard Shore, autonomy” György Ligeti has
tell tales. They create Shirley Walker, and Christopher spun around his creative output
narratives concerning this event, Young), but also to consider the – a narrative as deftly woven
that stylistic trait, those bars of meta-narratives interlinking as the spiders’ webs he dreamt
this or that composition, and the tales told by the different of as a child, or his music’s
they do so with varying degrees composers, in order to assess the micropolyphonic textures (which
of fealty to what they can recall broader currents Schelle’s book Ligeti, spinning his narrative,
of the emotions, motivations reveals with regard to the theory memorably links to those delicate
and thought-processes governing and practice of recent Hollywood arachnid threads). The “rhetoric of
their actions at the time. The film composition. autonomy,” Wilson argues,
rest is invented in the service of That composers lie, spin and
interests aesthetic, commercial, filter, as well as (often) recounting has served an especially
and socio-political. Film composers events as honestly as they can important function for writers
– unsurprisingly, perhaps, given given the ravages of life and long and artists ever since the advent
of what Felicity Nussbaum has
the narrative artworks that they lunches on the memory, is hardly called “the published self as
co-create for a living – are no news, as anyone acquainted property in a market economy”
exception to this rule, a fact that with, say, the Stravinsky-Craft – the function, namely, of
is amply demonstrated by the “conversations” will know. Nor differentiating them from other
creators and proclaiming the
important collection of interviews is the need for scholars to adopt uniqueness of their work in a
Michael Schelle has conducted and an appropriately sceptical critical competitive market of symbolic
compiled in The Score: Interviews stance when evaluating what goods.
with Film Composers (Beverly composers say and, indeed, what
Hills: Silman-James Press, 1999). their interviewers lead or permit Are there, one might therefore
Schelle’s book consequently them to say (and, in turn, what wonder, similarly motivated
invites the reader not only to is edited out of, or into, the “rhetorics” to be discerned from
reflect at length on its wealth eventually published text by the the statements of film music
of conversations and film music interviewer and other editorial composers?
readings, which are provided players). Concerns about the If so, one should not necessarily
by Schelle in consort with an need to read the products of the expect a “rhetoric of autonomy” to
impressively diverse pantheon interview process not as privileged be produced by all film composers
of famous and less familiar “facts” concerning individual in their public discourses. Theirs
composers (John Barry, Elmer compositions or events, but rather is a substantially different
Bernstein, Terence Blanchard, as texts requiring robust critical
Bruce Broughton, Paul Chihara, analysis in their own right, are   See Charles Wilson, “György Ligeti and the
John Corigliano, James Newton discussed for instance by Charles Rhetoric of Autonomy,” Twentieth-Century Music 1,
no. 1 (2004), 6. Wilson quotes Felicity Nussbaum, The
Howard, Mark Isham, Daniel Licht, Wilson in a penetrating recent Autobiographical Subject (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins
University Press, 1989), xiv.
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situation from the aesthetic and the public as they ply their trade making an overt connection) his
commercial field of tensions facing in Hollywood for the big bucks. subsequent scoring of some of the
(p. xv)
mid-twentieth- and twenty-first- wryest satires of the American
century concert music composers. Dream ever produced (from Animal
One familiar film music composer No doubt some “educated” House to Far from Heaven, although
narrative, however, is one of listeners do make such a the latter is too recent to be
self-justification and validation distinction, although one might discussed in Schelle’s book).
– although, as discussed below, feel wary about making such a It is the analyst-critic of
this may no longer be quite so blanket claim (especially one which film music, however, who will
widespread a phenomenon as it uses so many unattributed quasi- potentially derive the most value
was when Hollywood composers of quotations / scare quotes). Existing from this book. As Schelle explains
the 1930s and 1940s felt the need praise for Schelle’s book, however, in his introduction,
regularly to justify their work by as evidenced on its cover blurb,
equating it with more established takes a similar line, as in Scott the real insight into a composer’s
multimedia forms, and most Alexander and Larry Karaszewski’s creative heart, mind, and soul
obviously the opera. statement that, “For once, [film] can only surface when we learn
composers are truly appreciated: why he or she wrote a retrograde
Schelle’s book reveals that the double-fugue exposition for the
rhetoric of film composer self- They [sic] come across as smart, bloody decapitation scene or
validation still has legs. Shakier funny, and quite opinionated. why spiral notation and serial
legs than before, perhaps, not This is a book which needed to be procedures were unleashed for
written.” the white-tie-and-tails ballroom
least because it is increasingly sequence. (p. xvii)
hard to think of Hollywood film To whom, then, will this book’s
composers as being especially attempts to combat misperceptions
benighted when their scores reach most appeal? Historians and Leaving aside the rhetoric
hundreds of thousands more biographers will certainly find (the idea that one might
listeners than a concert music details in which to revel (Barry’s unproblematically “learn” a “real
composer’s entire oeuvre will reach discussion of his low boredom insight,” phrases which are partly
during her lifetime. Then there are threshold while saturating himself a result of Schelle’s accessible but
the CD releases, with even minor in films at his family’s picture occasionally overly chatty style),
soundtracks shifting many more house casts light, for instance, this is an admirable strategy.
units than contemporary concert on both his life and musical One of the great necessities in
music CDs. But the issue, for the development). Critical theorists film music analysis is, arguably,
time being, appears still to be will also find a number of loose the development of a theory
relevant, and Schelle nails his own threads to tug on. Gender is one of filmic narrativity capable of
colours to the mast on page one such strand, particularly as it might embracing the role of music within
of his introduction, highlighting apply in readings of Walker’s case, film’s contrapuntal and dialogic
both the aim of his project and the only woman interviewed here discourse. At times, Schelle’s
the manner in which, in his view, and, as a “ghost writer,” literally a interviews do not quite live up to
“classical musicians and the phantom (i.e., uncredited) presence this aim, zooming in on style and
musically ‘educated’ public” have in many films. Herein lies a meaty technique rather than panning
tended to draw “an inappropriate case study-in-waiting on the back to consider why a musical idea
and unfair distinction between the invisibility, at various intersecting is woven into a film’s narrative.
so-called ‘real’ composers and their levels, of the female composer in His best questions, however, in
film music brethren”: discourses surrounding Hollywood tandem with his non-combative
film music as much as within the style, encourage his interviewees
system itself. (And if male film to move beyond technique in their
This distinction has led to the
erection of hastily cobbled walls composers feel benighted, what comments, and when Schelle
that are meant to separate the about their female colleagues?) steers them in the direction of
misunderstood, unappreciated, Politics of a different stripe arise their music’s narrative function,
visionary, starve-for-your-art
in Bernstein’s interview, which the tactic often yields fascinating
“serious” composers from what
many ill-informed “music lovers” touches on his “left-wing causes”
perceive to be the “artistically- and grey-listing, before moving   This, at least, is my opinion; my own film
limited prostitutes” who cater to on to discuss (albeit without music research is focussed, in part, on developing
such a theory.
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results. In doing so, the interviews when tied to a spectacular, are clearly composers Schelle
may even begin to suggest a site ultra-large image, is hard to admirers deeply, and one of the
resist . . . It was just a matter of
within which a more judicious consciously bringing those chord most enjoyable moments in the
appraisal of the value of a film progressions into my toolbox as book comes when he tells Young
composer’s work might be made: just another place to think and that the first thing his film music
the success or failure, richness of another place to go. (p. 192-3) students at Butler University
paucity, of her or his contribution hear is a cue from The Vagrant.
to the narrative texts that he or she Schelle’s ER comment is a sop to Young’s response is winning:
has helped to co-create. Howard’s taste and talents. The “You are fucking kidding!”
Schelle therefore adopts Waterworld question, however, in (p. 394). But the arrangement,
the strategy of the fan with a adopting a position and providing as Schelle predicts but does not
plan in his interviews, and with a detailed reading, requires more pursue in his commentaries, also
mixed results, as in the following from its answerer than merely permits several examples of what
exchanges from his interview with trotting out a familiar response. he describes as “just good old
Howard: Schelle is well-placed to do this. Jungian synchronicity” (p. xviii).
Time and time again in his book, That synchronicity is certainly
[Schelle]: Your music for ER one suspects that he knows the in attendance, in the form of a
is a classy tune for a quality films and scores better – and number of contrasting takes on
program. accords them considerably more identical issues which pop out
value – than the composers, some between different, and sometime
[Howard]: Thanks. (p. 193) of whom seem slightly bemused, if adjacent, interviews.
flattered, to be engaging in detailed The Barry interview sets up
. . . . dissections of certain examples of the first of the themes that ripple
their work. And Schelle is using a across the surface of the book:
[Schelle]: Waterworld has a lot classic interviewing tactic here, not the issue of the film composer
of rhythmic 5 / 8s and 7 / 8s that quite good cop / bad cop, but one in as sole auteur vs. compositional
keep you on the edge, but I also which well-placed daubs of praise collaboration. Most obviously, this
noticed a real attraction to those
(as much to boost an interviewee’s relates to the role of orchestrators.
classic Hollywood minor-third
progressions. The C-minor area confidence as to ingratiate oneself Barry and Howard’s views may
moves to E-flat minor to F# with them) can be used to create be constructively contrasted here,
minor, but [you] take your time, an atmosphere within which more Barry reflecting an old-school
stretch the modulations. It works
detailed questions can be posed belief in the desirability of doing
well because of its association
with endless stretches of water. and in which composers feel it oneself, Howard the need to
Was it your conscious choice relaxed enough to answer them in be realistic in changing times,
to use these classic, suspense- depth. One must also remember albeit while also recognizing
building progressions that
that film composers (and many the dip in musical value which
allow you to take a long time
to get where you’re going? other kinds of composer) do not results when one is not working
necessarily reflect deeply on their quite so intimately with the
[Howard]: Yeah, it was practice: they are often too busy sonic realization of one’s musical
conscious. I resisted those kinds composing. Ample encouragement thoughts. The issue of co-creating
of chord progressions for years. I is thus a necessity. those musical thoughts also rises
really did. I would hear them in The arrangement of the in the case, for example, of the
horror movies and I would hear
them in Goldsmith and in John interviews is alphabetical, and one sonorities with which Newman
Williams. I still hear them. But I wonders if Schelle was attracted (who refers to the ludicrous
resisted and resisted. It became to this arrangement because, ritual of the orchestral score) and
self-deceiving in a way. I was in while being ostensibly democratic, his collaborators Rick Cox and
a kind of denial about it, because
audiences, directors, producers it places his lengthy John Barry Chas Smith tinker in the studio.
– everybody watching the movie interview first and his discussion Newman and Co.’s cooperative
– has certain expectations. Even with Christopher Young last. Both approach can be contrasted to
though you aren’t necessarily some more painful stories about
expecting a progression of   I recognise this technique as I use it in my
minor thirds, there is a sound own interviewing of (concert music) composers, co-creation. In this regard,
to that sequence which, when in which, in retrospect, the sops occasionally Walker’s take on her work on Black
make me wince, but not when they lead to greater
tied to an image, particularly depths being reached elsewhere in the interview. Beauty with Carmine Coppola and
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on her “split” with Danny Elfman of parallelism and counterpoint in adjacent interviews of Newman
(due, in part, to the persistent recent Hollywood practice emerges and Shaiman, both of whom
rumours that she was creating from the book. discuss their approaches to scoring
much of “his” music – a charge she Several composers accept that the build-up to a gunshot:
refutes here) makes for compelling subjugating a scene’s music to the
reading. As Shaiman points out, articulation of a broad narrative [Newman]: I remember when I
however, one point where greater point via unabashed parallelism did Flesh and Bone, a movie about
collaborative proximity is surely is often an imperative. Even little ideas becoming huge ideas,
there was a piece of temp music
needed in current practice is during Corigliano, who unsurprisingly in it just before a gunshot went
the final sound mix of a movie, takes a relatively ambivalent off. It climaxed with a crescendo
in order to counter the narrative stance on such issues (as part to a single gunshot – boom! So
obfuscations that can result when of his intersecting concert I think, well, of course, you
gotta go boom! Sometimes we
SFX and dialogue editing do music composer’s “rhetoric of get into these lethargic places
not take into account a musical autonomy”), admits as much: where we think, well, that’s just
perspective. how it’s gonna go down. But Bill
Barry also initiates a thread Bernstein said, “This just sucks.
[Schelle]: The film score [for
It’s just too dramatic.” So in
on the merits of composing with Altered States] has a natural
this case, we decided to subdue
or against the action, discussing dramatic flair, but knows when
the crescendo, so everything
to use traditional film-scoring
how the sight of Sharon Stone’s techniques in the tradition
dissolves and you get this deadly
automatic weapon jutting out silence . . . and then . . . boom!,
of Max Steiner, Hans Salter,
the gun goes off.
of her stocking-top in a church- Tiomkin, et al. – the door opens
set scene in The Specialist is to very low strings, the baboon
man jumps out to a big shock [Schelle]: You went in a reverse
scored against “this big God chord, and so on. direction from the temp.
music” (p. 35), thereby shaping
a deliciously surreal moment
[Corigliano]: Well, there are [Newman]: Totally. And it
of sacred profanity. The issue times when you want to do was a great dramatic idea.
of composing in counterpoint that, or just have to do that,
to / parallel with other aspects and times when you want
more of a fabric, a texture, . . . .
of the filmic discourse – and
an atmosphere. (p. 168)
primarily the most obvious
emotional undertow of the action [Schelle]: Your score for the
The risk of going against the grain opening scene [of Ghosts of the
being depicted in a particular scene Mississippi] is layer upon layer
– has been debated since Eisenstein in such situations, moreover, is of transparent yet tense forward
and the earliest sound films. What articulated in Shore’s sardonic motion to the gunshot climax.
becomes clear here, however, discussion of the unceremonious
is the dangerous simplicity of dumping of his edgy score for [Shaiman]: I remember
critical views in which more recent Ron Howard’s Ransom (“All I can watching the opening scene
“Hollywood” scoring practices figure out,” Shore suggests, “is that on television and just being so
[Howard] came into the picture intimidated. How can I possibly
continue to be construed in terms score this scene? Someone’s
of parallelism (via discussions of wearing a black leather jacket and getting murdered. How can
Mickey-Mousing, transparency, and left wearing a white sports coat,” I not write trivial music for
thus suturing and forced audience p. 346). And as Newman points such a powerful moment?
out to Schelle, who at times seems . . . The music comes right
assimilation into ideologically back in after the guy is shot,
motivated subject-positions), as a little too keen to validate all but, as you said, the whole
opposed to the more liberated Mickey-Mousing as tongue-in- first section is just building
agendas of (non-Hollywood) cheek postmodernism committed and building. It’s the tension
with a knowing smirk on the of the inevitable. (p. 310)
film-making teams which seek
to use music contrapuntally. composer’s face, “sometimes
Certainly, the composers Schelle I’m [not smiling, I’m] weeping” Not only, therefore, do a variety
interviews don’t appear to have (p. 280). of responses to such situations
been reading up on the relevant In this respect, one of the most exist in contemporary Hollywood
Grand Theorizing. Instead, a striking instances of synchronicity scoring practices (and was it
wealth of approaches to the issue in the book comes from the not ever thus?), but even those
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responses which do seek to move point in the filmic experience, autonomous voice and to protect
in parallel with the emotional music – like the inner voices of that voice from being sullied
content of the action (Shaiman’s a fugue – adds dimensionality to through compromise or ill-chosen
“tension of the inevitable”), filmic narrativity, affecting and film collaborations. And yet, who
as opposed to sculpting the influencing one’s perceptions of sounds happier? Surprisingly,
rhetoric of the filmic discourse the more prominent outer voices given the previous paradigm of
in an ostensibly more subtle and of that polyphony, and occasionally the “rhetoric of validation,” it is
contrapuntal manner (Newman), cresting (like an alto voice rising the composers who have accepted,
may be made with admirable above the soprano) to steal the and indeed embraced, the need
degrees of artistic awareness. Both, limelight and lead the dialogic for compromise, in terms of both
in turn, can carry the weight of dance. autonomy of voice and fealty to a
ideologies, with the nuances of the Given the gradations which personal artistic vision, who sound
practice having an impact on the emerge concerning parallelism vs. happier about their work.
message being promoted. counterpoint – an issue laden with Corigliano, for example,
Newman, in discussing clichéd associations of sold-out carefully positions his own film
such nuances, emerges as a (Hollywood) commercialism vs. scoring in parallel to Beethoven’s
particularly incisive and intelligent (non-Hollywood) artistic integrity composition of an opera (the simile
commentator, not least when he – it is not surprising, therefore, is, of course, telling regarding
tries to explain the effects one that the meta-narrative to emerge Corigliano’s construction of his
might seek to devise given music’s from the book regarding the own “rhetoric of autonomy”) as
usually (although not exclusively) validity of film music composition a complement to, as opposed to
secondary function as a narrative is also more complicated than a replacement for, the composing
voice operating within a film’s one might expect (not least of concert works. Chihara,
polyphonic discourse: given Schelle’s stated aims at the on the other hand, mounts a
outset of his book). At the risk of passionate defence of compromise
[Newman]: You can argue substituting one over-simplification that is all the more fascinating
that [film music] is heard and for another, two positions coming from a composer who
listened to, but usually that’s seem to emerge in place of the could easily have attained a
accidental or that’s because
it’s appropriate for a particular previously more inclusive “rhetoric similar concert music status to
dramatic moment in the movie, of validation,” interestingly, Corigliano. Instead, Chihara
as opposed to, “Well, gee, I these positions, in turn, reflect eschewed the notionally highbrow
really wanna be heard.” Find the alternative takes on a connected – “Oh, he’s gone Hollywood” (p.
moments when you can speak
out and the moments when it’s “rhetoric of autonomy.” Comparing 133) Chihara’s former peers in
inappropriate to speak out. I the stances of Corigliano, Newman academia dismissively stated – as
don’t want to say, “Well, I’m and Blanchard, for instance, demonstrated by his acceptance,
a composer and I want to be with Broughton, Howard and both as a novice film composer but
heard” as much as “Here’s what
I can do in this environment.” Shaiman, one discovers composers also, retrospectively, in aesthetic
Some environments are more positioning themselves, to varying terms, of director Paul Bartel’s
avant-garde, more progressive, degrees, as outsiders or insiders adaptation of the music Chihara
than others. Some are very in relation to the Hollywood had spotted and composed for
conservative, and you kind of
have to do what you have to do. machine. The outsiders speak Death Race 2000. As Chihara notes,
(p. 269) of a desire not so much to go
against the grain of the action [Chihara]: Paul used my Bach
and to compose contrapuntally fugue over all of the final chase,
Yet film composers can add layers the climactic chase of the movie.
(“insider” Howard talks about this
of nuance and perspective to even I didn’t intend that – I don’t
as enthusiastically as anyone) but know what I wrote the fugue for,
the most “conservative” of films.
to remain true to broader artistic but he stuck it over that chase
Newman’s comments, and those
projects of which their film work and it was brilliant. I wrote what
of many composers in Schelle’s I thought was appropriate, but
is but one component. Corigliano’s
book, recognize that even when it Paul Bartel, in his lunatic genius
“classical” voice, Blanchard’s way, put the music wherever he
is “unheard,” in the sense of not
jazzer credentials, Newman’s wanted to. I learned so much
being the conscious focus of the
sonic experimentalism – all speak from that – it was like a great
perceiver’s attentiveness at a given seminar on film composing.
to a desire both to create an
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. . . I would always put fast stimulating because the detailed be merely to get the work done in
music on chase scenes, love discussions of individual scores time as a film music composer.
music on love scenes, and so send one zipping off to the video The book also reveals itself,
forth. What did I know? I just store (or cueing up yet more therefore, as a potential goldmine
gave Paul so many fast cues movies online with one’s home for teachers of film music, thanks
and so many soft cues, and he delivery service); composers, too, in part to the composer comments,
assembled them like so many will find ideas to stimulate their but also to Schelle’s often more
Lincoln Logs. (pp. 134-5) own reflections on composing for illuminating readings of scores and
the screen, alongside opportunities cues. One would not wish for such
Appearing next to Corigliano’s to revel in the book’s more gossipy comments and commentaries to
interview (another pleasingly asides and their colleagues’ be accepted unquestioningly. On
jarring synchronicity), Chihara occasional lapses into hubris. the contrary, Schelle’s book could
offers a tangy rejoinder to the So be warned: if you have yet to provide a sourcebook for modules
potentially discriminatory subtext experience Crooklyn, Altered States in which critical engagement and
of the rhetorics of autonomy and or Death Race 2000, this book analysis of the statements made
self-validation woven by some could prompt immediate, time- and the scores discussed becomes
film composers, by reflecting consuming action. a site for a dialectical critique, thus
an apparently equally prevalent And there are many more opening up aesthetic, economic
rhetoric of collaboration and prompts to such action here: Barry and socio-political issues including,
accommodation. To be skeptical, on scoring around the timbre, but no doubt ranging beyond,
one might wonder if some of cadence and register of Gregory those mentioned in this review.
these conciliatory statements, Peck’s voice; Bernstein on scoring Consequently, whether or not one
particularly from Schelle’s younger with, but exaggeratedly and thus agrees with Schelle’s readings
interviewees, relate partly to at an angle to, comedic narratives; (and the composers don’t always,
a desire not to bite the hand Blanchard on organizing a score; especially when Schelle rescues
that feeds them. But this, too, Broughton on performance practice their “mistakes” with glowing
speaks ultimately to a richness of in relation to the vertiginous interpretations of a cue’s narrative
approaches and contexts within technical challenges in Honey, I contribution – see, for instance,
contemporary Hollywood scoring Blew Up the Kid; the interplay of his discussion with Howard of
practice. Chihara and Bartel to create the a segment of Falling Down, pp.
A few typos here and there sophisticated narrational voice 186-7), one must admire Schelle’s
disrupt one’s engagement with the of the music in Death Race 2000; ability to present reasonably
book’s otherwise clearly presented Corigliano’s organicist approach detailed analytical sketches to all of
interviews (bold type is used to unifying The Red Shoes through his interviewees. The hard work of
for Schelle’s questions, normal seven source chords; Howard (yes, analyzing, in musical and narrative
weighting for the answers; spacing James Newton Howard) on Elliott detail, a large body of films has
and margins are ample, structural Carter; Newman on how to record paid off in Schelle’s book, which
signposting clear). These appear a door, and on being caught in leads one to consider a range of
to be errors of copy-editing (the several minds over scoring the issues and to appraise a diversity of
strange symbols, for example, hanging scene in The Shawshank films. One finishes the interviews
which creep into Blanchard’s Redemption; the serendipity of full of questions and a desire to
discussion of tape sizes on p. 68; Shore’s seemingly all-important think about and experience the
“interesting” where “interested” choice of organ sound in texts concerned – the best outcome
should have appeared in the final Videodrome, and the composer’s that tales told about music can ever
paragraph of Schelle’s preface, p. discussion of the Hindemith- hope to achieve.
x). But this does not greatly detract influenced preponderance of
from what is overall a generous seconds, fourths, fifths, sevenths
and stimulating book – generous in and ninths in his harmonies (and
the sense that analysts, theorists, how important is that sound to
historians and enthusiasts alike shaping wider perceptions of
will find much to inform and David Cronenberg’s œuvre?); and
entertain them within its pages, Young’s unstinting honesty about
how damn hard it continues to

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