AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION WITH SEVAK SHARANJI MAHARAJA

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ENGLISH TRANSLATION [WITH NOTES] OF THE FOLLOWING VIDEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZywvnN0bh0

Hit Premanandaji: “We may find ourselves in the situation where our polluted tongue is unable to
continuously chant Sri Radha Naam or Sri Harivansh naam. But we belong to them, we belong to
them. Sriji [Sri Radha] is in your heart. Sriji is yours. Realise/experience this. Sriji has given you so
much love, she gave you Sri Vrindavan dham, gave you her shelter...

We will attain everything through her love only. It's impossible to do so with our own efforts.

Because:

PY ĀROḌHUṀ KṢAMATE NA YAC SHIVA ŚUKĀDĪNAṀ TU YAD DHYĀNAGAM - Even Lord

Shiva, Shukadeva and all other demigods/sages cannot find Sri Radha in their meditation - Shri Hit
Harivansh Mahaprabhu, Shri Radha Sudha Nidhi (76)

Where even Shiva, Sanak and the others can not even enter, how can my fallen mind reach there?
However, Sriji [Kishoriju Sri Radha] is a vatsalya-sindhu [an ocean of compassionate love] for her
surrendered souls.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: However I can't tolerate it.

Hit Premanandaji: You can't tolerate separation [viyoga] from Sriji? Or you can't tolerate your own
condition when you look at yourself?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: When I look towards myself.

Hit Premanandaji: Don't even look at that [Don't even think of it/consider it]. Sevakji Maharaja says
[in Sri Sevak Vani Chapter 11] – 'ālay van basat sangh pāras ke, āyas kanak samān bhayam' – Just
by residing in Sri Vrindavan, which is like a wish-fulfilling stone, that Iron-like jiva becomes as
good as Gold.

Iron can never turn into Gold by any amount of pressure. However by the powerful influence of this
wish-fulfilling touchstone that is Sri Vrindavan dham, even though we are made of Iron [i.e.
unsuitable/unworthy], we became eligible to perform Sriji's seva.

Raj-rani [the holy dust of Sri Vrindavan] - SADYO VAŚĪKARAṆA CŪRṆAM ANANTA ŚAKTIM -
“the foot-dust of Śrī Rādhikā, whose unlimited power instantly subdues even the Supreme Person
(Śrī Kṛṣṇa)” Sri Radha Sudha Nidhi [3].

The Acharyas have written Vaniji [their writings] for us. They have written it for me.

[In Sri Sevak Vani] 'ālay van basat sangh pāras ke, āyas kanak samān bhayam' – Just by residing in
Sri Vrindavan, which is like a wish-fulfilling stone, that Iron-like jiva becomes as good as Gold.”
This...This...it doesn't say anything about sadhana here....'ālay van basat' – Just by residing in Sri
Vrindavan dham. Just as a piece of Iron becomes Gold without any effort when touched by a paras-
mani [touchstone], by the mercy of the dham, one attains their svarupa.

VṚNDĀNI SARVA MAHATĀM APAHĀYA DŪRĀD VṚNDĀṬAVĪM ANUSARA PRAṆAYENA

CETAḤ SAT TĀRANĪ KṚTA SUBHĀVA SUDHĀ RASAUGHAM
RĀDHĀBHIDHĀNAM IHA DIVYA NIDHĀNAM ASTI - “O Mind! Leave all great things (or
persons) far from you and go to Vṛindāvan with love, for there is a divine jewel, a nectar-stream of
good moods named Rādhā there, Who redeems the sincere souls!” - Sri Radha Sudha Nidhi [8].

“O, my mind, leave off all the great ends and the means of their attainment! Instead, be devoted
whole-heartedly to Shri Vrindavana, where exists the Divine Ocean of Love called Shri Radha ever
ready to save the sincere souls!”

Whose very nature it is to deliver you! This is such a Sri Radha Kishori's nij-mahal [own
place/home].

Be completely worry free. Accept this truth. Be completely free from worry. And don't think I'm just
saying this to you only; by the power of your lotus feet I know this. Both of my kidneys are
damaged, there's always some new problems occurring in this body, there is pain/discomfort.

But I experience so much kripa. By the kripa-prasad of Guru-jana like yourself, I experience
Laadiliju [Sri Radha's] loving care. When I look at my self [my own capability] then my footsteps
become wobbly/shaky, but when I look towards Laadiliju then I feel like running! [She can make
everything possible]. So why even look towards oneself?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: But I can't perceive Sri Radha.

Hit Premanandaji: Well in reality, there's no difference between Laadiliju [Sri Radha] and her name.

Harivansh Mahaprabhu says 'kvaham...[RSN Sloka 260].

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: But I'm not even able to chant her name properly.

Hit Premanandaji: Well I can't accept these words of yours! You've spent your whole life serving the
holy dust of Vrindavan, so it's not possible that you lack love for the holy name, I just can't accept
this, even if you say it to me! Why? Because this Vrindavan dham gives you the holy name itself.
Even if we don't want to say the holy name, here: “hyā fire svārath āpane bhajan gahe phire bāhi ||
55|| here in Vrindavan even selfish actions turn into bhajan” – Vrindavan sat lila – Hit Dhruv dasji.

Here in Vrindavan, everything makes you say “Radha”. KVĀHAṀ TUCCHAḤ PARAMAM
ADHAMAḤ PRĀṆY AHO GARHYA KARMĀ YAT TAN NĀMA SPHURATI MAHIMĀ HYEṢA
VṚNDĀVANASYA - “Where is a most insignificant living entity like me, who is engaged in all kinds
of disgusting activities? If nevertheless the holy name of Śrī Rādhā is heard from my mouth, then
that proves the greatness of Śrī Vṛindāvan!” - Sri Radha Sudha Nidhi [260].

He's [Sri Harivansh is] saying that this chanting of “Radha Radha Radha” is happening by the kripa
of Vrindavan.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: “But also this Vrindavan is being destroyed...”

Hit Premanandaji: No one can destroy that Vrindavan that we've taken shelter of. No one has such
power to do so. Because this dham is beyond time [and its effects]. If it were within the influence of
time, then time could destroy it, if it were under the control of any person, then that person could
destroy it, but this dham is beyond time...
chandra mittey dinkar mittey, mittey trigun vistār dridh vrat shrī harivansh ko, mittey na nitya vihār

“Even if the Moon and the Sun perish, and even if this entire world made up of the three gunas is
destroyed; The nitya-vihara [eternal loveplays of Sri Shyama Shyam] of Sri Harivansh, (the one
with a dridh-vrat - he who has an extremely firm one-pointed vow in his mode of loving worship)
will never perish”.

Those latas [vines] that Nitya-Vihari Sri Shyama-Shyam play under can't even be seen by Brahma,
Shiva etc, what to then speak of them being destroyed. This is that very same sat-chit-ananda
Eternal Blissful Vrindavan.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: [Inaudible].

Hit Premanandaji: “What is he saying?”

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: This is the Eternal Blissful Vrindavan, but it's not so simple to
realise this.

Hit Premanandaji: This external form of Vrindavan which is fixed within our vision......by the
power of Sriji's [Sri Radha's] lotus-feet, by the power of her foot-dust, then only were my eyes
opened [to the real svarupa of Sri Vrindavan]. nirakhi nain harivansh - “we should try to see
through the eyes of Sri Harivansh, through his powerful mercy”.

The thing is that right now we have material vision and we think “in the same way people are
present in Delhi and Kolkata, this is the same in Vrindavan. It looks like this.”

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: My eyes are not opening [to this reality].

Hit Premanandaji: Let me tell you the truth, those [spiritual] eyes are already opened. There is no
falsehood in this. Because the way I see it, it's only been a short time since I took Hitju's [Sri
Harivansh's shelter] but you've spent your entire life as Sri Harivansh-chandraju's.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: It is very difficult for me to live [presumably due to old age/health related
issues].

Hit Premanandaji: Maharajaji, it becomes very easy to live IF we surrender our very life force
[prana] at Pranesvari's [the Goddess of our Life] lotus-feet.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: You give me your mercy.

Hit Premanandaji: Maharajaji, I am your child. I've come to receive your mercy.
But look Maharajaji, you please remain happy, I say this to you on the basis of Sriji's strength. Yes,
remain happy. But also be ready to leave your body at any moment. This body will fall/be
destroyed. We will go to Sriji for her seva in a divine Sahachari body.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: ….........

Hit Premanandaji: Then what is there to worry about? Then what is there to worry about?
We're going to Laadiliju, as her Sahachari [Sakhi attendant], we are her dasi [maidservant].

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: ….........

Hit Premanandaji: No, No. If we look towards this [the body] then we'll get frightened, we'll think
that if the body goes, we don't achieve anything, and it remains, we don't achieve anything.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: Just saying this is very easy.

Hit Premanandaji: What your saying is absolutely right...that saying all of this is easy, but when
your consciousness is based in the body....like when there's some pain....

But Maharajaji I've seen and experienced one thing. And you also see for yourself.
Whenever there's some particularly painful/uncomfortable experience, I experience Laadiliju's
causeless mercy even more. [Asks rhetorically] Do you think it is a mistake that I experience it like
this? Or is it true, is it really like this?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: Yes, it is Laadiliju's kripa.

Hit Premanandaji: Well, this is what I'm experiencing for myself Maharajaji. When I feel some
great pain/discomfort, then I also feel Laadiliju's kripa in a great way. I don't feel that we forget
Laadiliju when we get some great discomfort, or that she stops giving us her love.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: I am experiencing her love also at every moment.

Hit Premanandaji: Then why should we even think negatively??? I don't understand this. If we
experience her love at every moment, then why keep such negative thoughts?

“I want to go to Sriji. I want to go to my Swamini. Even if this body is finished at this very moment,
who cares?” Accept this.

Hit Premanandaji: We should dance and say “Laadiliju, I'm coming to you, in whatever condition I
am, I'm coming to you.”

And don't think that I'm just saying this in your case...Even I'm completely ready, both of my
kidneys are faulty, there is pain at very moment in this body, but I'm completely prepared!

By the power of my Gurus, I'm as fierce as a Lion. If my body were to drop down now, then I'm
ready to go, “Let's go!”. I've surrendered my life for you [Sri Radha], my life is for you.

“Yes, I agree that I'm not worthy of you [of Sri Radha]. But I am yours [Sri Radha's]”.
Even if Sri Radha were to say “I don't accept you as mine.” I'm not going to accept what she says.
I'll tell her “I have one-way love for you. If you love me or don't love me, I still love you. What can
you do? [You can't stop me from loving you]. Nor do I want anything from you. I just love you, so
go ahead and stop me. I'll live for you, I'll die for you, so go ahead and try to stop me, I don't need
anything from you, I don't ask you for anything. Where's the difficulty?”

You go ahead and experience this. How Sriji will increase her love at every moment, you go ahead
and see this for yourself. You are loved by Sriji.

Female devotee: [Addressing Hit Premanandaji] Even I declare this loudly by your strength.

Hit Premanandaji: Now what it is Maharajaji. If it were someone else, I would speak to them on the
basis of sastra [revealed scripture]. But with you I am telling you whatever is going on in my
heart..that which is going on in my heart. The truth is, at every moment there's a feeling of
madness/enthusiasm within me. You'll notice that whenever I speak, I don't just say the words, a
sense of enlivening intoxication remains within me. This feeling of enlivenment [unmaad] remains
because I see Sriji's kripa. Not on the basis of sadhana [my own devotional practises].

It's because of Sriji's kripa, Sriji's love for me, Sriji's favour towards me...then I think Wow!

sahaj subhāv paryo naval kisorī ju ko, mridutā dayālutā kripālutā kī rāsi hai – “The embodiment of
divine grace, Naval Kishori Sri Radha is naturally very soft, extremely compassionate and
merciful.” - Bayalis Lila – Shringar Sat Lila Chapter 3 – Hit Dhruv dasji. Mahapurushas [Greatly
realised souls] didn't just write this whimsically without experiencing it.

Sri Radha is accepting such wretched people like us and giving us her love.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: [Speaking about the difficulties of his body].

Hit Premanandaji: Yes, I accept what you're saying that it's very difficult to tolerate such a terrible
bodily condition, but still I want to keep telling you again and again not to get frightened/disturbed.
Our Laadiliju gives us much love in every situation/condition. And she'll continue loving us. She'll
never give you that level of discomfort where you'll forget her completely. Where you'll be
suffering without her. I just don't see that happening, because Laadiliju takes the side of those who
are her surrendered souls [sharanagat].

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: ….[inaudible]

Hit Premanandaji: Then we have no complaint. Then we have no complaint.

Maharajaji, where are you even remaining? Where do you exist?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: It is only me.

Hit Premanandaji: Well if you come into the bhava hypothetically [mood] that “I am Laadiliji
herself.” then there's no problem and if you come into the mood that “I am Laadiliji's” then there is
no difficulty either. The problems arise when we are in bodily consciousness.

**[For those unfamiliar with Radhavallabhi Siddhanta should know that Hit Premanandaji
immediately clarifies below that it's not proper for a Sahachari-sadhaka to have the perspective that
they are the absolute reality [Brahman] alone, Only “I” Exist, or that they are Laadili Sri Radha
herself. Hit Premanandaji only said “there's no problem” because at least it will get one out of their
own bodily consciousness, which he states above].

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: …....

Hit Premanandaji: There's only two ways here. We can't say “That we are Laadili herself”.
The real conclusion is “That we are Laadili's”. If we were to say “We are Laadili herself”....

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja: What if I say “I am the Laadili [Beloved] of Laadili [Sri Radha]”.

Hit Premanandaji: “Yes. I am the Laadili of Laadili – I am the Beloved of the Beloved Sri Radha.”

Because if the Sahachari [Sakhi attendant] goes into tadatma-bhava [this feeling of a sense of
oneness] with Sri Radha, then she'll experience oneness with Sriji's svarupa....so then she'll also get
the desire to have amorous lovesports [vihara] with Laalju [Sri Shyamsundar].
However, the Sahachari's nature is: MANO ME RĀDHĀYĀḤ PADA MṚDULA PADME NIVASATU -
"May my mind always dwell in Rādhā's tender lotus-feet." - Sri Radha Sudha Nidhi [54]. Our
perfection is 'srī-rādhā jug charan nivās – Residence at Sri Radha's two lotus feet' - Sevak Vani
Chapter 1.

Hit Premanandaji: There shouldn't be fear of death, when we have taken her shelter.

You just have to accept it Maharajaji. You are already a Lion. You are speaking like this on the basis
of looking at this external cage [body].

Our Nava-Kishori-Svarupa [Evernew-Adolescent-Divine-Sakhi-Form] is such that it never even

experiences a cold/flu.

I say Our Nava-Kishori-Svarupa [Evernew-Adolescent-Divine-Sakhi-Form] is such that it never

even experiences a cold/flu. It doesn't experience any pain.

You're speaking on the basis of this old body, this cage. By Svarupa [Sakhi form], what can I tell
you? [It's so inconceivably wonderful].

The body is going to perish. It's going to go through it's own lila [course]. Whether it's your body,
my body or anyone else's, it's going to perform its own lila [of illness, destruction etc].

I do agree however that when the body goes through such difficult conditions, that the buddhi
[intellect] which we've used our entire life to make decisions, such an intellect becomes disturbed.

In such a tough time, the only important thing is that in some way or other, Bhagavad-smriti
[Remembrance of Bhagavan] should remain. We just need to be careful that for our entire life, we
shouldn't forget Kishoriju, she who has given us her shelter.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant [Speaking to Hit Premanandaji on behalf of Sevak Sharanji
Maharaja]: There's no forgetting her Maharajaji. I've been trying to protect this Vrindavan for 50
years and I've seen it becoming ruined. What I set out to do, what I had thought, that did not
happen. Even with my efforts.....

Hit Premanandaji: Now the thing to keep in mind here. This external form you see....

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: I'm speaking about the internal form.

Hit Premanandaji: Well change of the internal form of Sri Vrindavan is not even possible because
its nature is that it is prativardhaman-shobha-sindhu [eternally becoming more and more beautiful].

The real eternal form of Sri Vrindavan is ever-increasing.

nayau neha nav rang nayau ras naval shyām vrishbhānu kishorī |

“New is their mutual love, New is the bliss, New the delightful rasa of those Evernew Shyam and
Vrishbhanu's youthful daughter;

nav pitāmbar naval chunnarī nai – nai būndan bhīnjat gorī | |

“New is his yellow garment and New her many-coloured sari, and with Evernew raindrops is the
fair one [Sri Radha] drenched.
nav vrindāvan harit manohar - New is Vrindavan, evergreen and captivating”. - Hit Chaurasi 54

At every moment it becomes newer and newer. Because that paratpar-prem [Divine love existing as
the Ultimate reality] has taken the form of the vines [latas], it has become the birds, deer, beasts; it's
become the land of Vrindavan, it's taken up the form of the Sahacharis [Sakhi attendants] and it's
taken up the form of Sri Priya Lalju, is there any doubt in this?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: [Referring to how Vrindavan appeared 500 years ago and how it
appears now].

Hit Premanandaji: If you fix your vision on this thing, then confusion/problems will come.

I agree that I haven't seen the external condition of Vrindavan as it was 500 years ago, however, the
way in which the great souls have described Sri Vrindavan in their Vanis [writings], when I
meditated on that, I also experienced Vrindavan in the same way as they described.

There's no difference in THAT Vrindavan, and it's THAT Vrindavan where we want to go. We want
to experience THAT Vrindavan. Like for example, we are looking at that Neem Tree, now it looks
like this, in some time the branches will fall, then later it will become rotten, this type of vision is
simply the fault of our eyes.

Every tree of Vrindavan is cidanandamayi [constituted of eternity and spiritual bliss].

Every atom of Vrindavan is like this. This is what our Vaniji [Rasikas' writings] are saying and this
is where we need to be situated. We can't protect the prakritic-svarupa [the external form] because
the external form is not beyond the influence of time. The external form goes through changes
caused by time.

You see. The leaves here fall. But [in the real internal form] the Season of Spring never goes. sada
basant rahat vrindāvan – “It is always Spring in Vrindavan”. – Hit Chaurasi 64. So this is why the
leaves never fall in that Vrindavan.

Here we see the leaves falling. We see the vines rotting here. We see the vines getting cut here.

However, vṛindāvan kī latā sam koṭi kalapataru nāhi | - “A single creeper from Vrindavan is worth
more than a million desire-trees.” – Vrindavan Sat Lila – Hit Dhruv dasji.

vṛindāvan duti patra kī upamā kaun kachu nāhi | koṭi koṭi vaikuṇṭh hū tihi sam kahe na jāhi -
“There is nothing to which one can compare Vrindavan’s effulgence. Millions of Vaikuntha planets
cannot be said to be its equal.” – Vrindavan Sat Lila - Hit Dhruv dasji.

So to me it seems that we should focus our attention in accordance with the Vanis [Rasikas'
writings] and become absorbed in Sriji's meditation. We should keep our vision fixed wherever our
Sriji [Sri Radha] is performing her plays.

We should try to protect the external form of the dham [the lata vines, the holy dust] as much as
possible with our bodies, however much is possible. But, if we don't get success, then we shouldn't
think everything is a disaster.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: [Speaking to Hit Premanandaji] Maharajaji, the new generation,
how will they become capable of contributing?....
Hit Premanandaji: [Speaking from the point of view of absolute truth]

The real thing is there's no such new generation. It's all just dream-like. It has no ultimate existence.
That you are giving this importance is your delusion. It has no ultimate existence, it's your
ignorance.

Just like [Sevak Sharanji] Maharajaji said earlier, either “Only I exist”, becomes fixed in this or
“Only you [Bhagavan] exists”, or become fixed in this realisation. Remaining fixed in [the duality]
“Me” and “You” is what is called Maya.

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: But without “Me” there is no “You” and without “You” there is
no “Me”. Both are one/same.

Hit Premanandaji: When you erase both, THEN there will be one left. Until there is “Me” and
“You” then you will keep on playing in this. You'll keep on taking birth, living, fighting, arguing...

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: But the [yugal-vihara] love-play of Shyama-Shyam is...

Hit Premanandaji: No! Their love-play is not a play between two [The “Me” and “You”].
They are one. There is no “Me” and “You” there. Definitely not. This is your mistake.

They only appear to be two! Only appearing as two.

[Citing Sevak Vani Chapter 4] srī harivansh su rīti sunāu, shyāmā-shyām ek sang gāu, cchin ek
kabahu antar hoi - “Let me sing of Sri Harivansh's wonderful mode of worship. Shyama Shyam are
sung of together, these two are never separate for even a moment”.

prān su ek - “they share one life-force/soul”. prān su ek! - “They are of one soul” deha hai doi - “in
two bodies.”

It's not a play [vihara] between the “Me” and “You”. It's the loveplay of one Rasa.

There is maya in the concept of “Me” and “You”. Me, Mine, You, Yours means Maya. Don't take
this into such duality. This whole world's quarrelling is because of this duality of “Me” and “You”.

Either stay situated in “There's only you [Bhagavan]” or “There's only me [I exist everywhere as
Brahman]”. If you are situated in either of these, then questions or answers no longer exist.

This is why I don't go to public gatherings. There's a lot of quarrelling there. They speak such
glories of Vrindavan's vines but they don't intend to even water one plant, one lata [vine].

Do as much as you can do with your body but put your mind into that Cidananda-mayi [Supremely
Spritual Blissful] Vrindavan. There could come a time where we don't see any lata [vine] in
Vrindavan, just buildings everywhere. And perhaps there will be a time where we see even more
injustices and crime here. Was Narvahan at the time of Sri Harivansh Mahaprabhu engaged in less
crimes and injustices than today?

Sevak Sharanji Maharaja's servant: [unclear].

Hit Premanandaji: We have to put our mind on what Vaniji [the Rasikas' writings] are describing. If
we move even an inch from what Vaniji is saying, then we're gone/ we've failed. We've fallen, we
have slipped. So look directly to the Vani.
“sūdho chale āpane dharma | rasikani sau prītam kahe | | kabahū kāl vrithā nahi jāi, santat rasik
sunahu chit lāi | shrī-harivansh pratāp jas - such a devotee simply follows the path of prema
[prema-dharma] and considers the premi-rasikas to be his most beloveds [prīyatam]. Not wasting
even a moment of their time, the devotee remains forever engaged in reciting Sri Harivansh's name
and Vaani [writings such as Hit Chaurasi, Sri Radha-Sudha-Nidhi etc]. Sri Sevakji says: O Rasikas!
Please hear the glories of Sri Harivansh's greatness with focused attention” - Sevak Vani Chapter 3.

Straight to the Vani. Stay within Vaniji.

Whatever we're seeing is the [Hit-Vilasa] the play of prema [This is according to RV Siddhanta].
Our perception should change, and that nothing else exists, there's no male, no female...everything
is just Priya Pritam and the Sahacharis..unlimited love-plays are going on. This is what we need to
see..we need to see. We need to change our spectacles/glasses. Wear the Nitya-Vihara spectacles.
We need to change ours. Not yours. I need to change mine for me...and you need to change yours
for you. From my perspective, my Priya Pritam are playing their lilas within your nikunja-mandir
heart. And going further still, I see that you are a Sahachari of Priyaji standing before me. We need
to sort ourselves out. Sort out our own bhavas. What will happen to this world? There is no world.
There is no world! The world is simply a manovikara [a modification/state of your mind]. When
you were dreaming, there was a busy bustling market, but when you awoke, was the market actually
real? However if you tell a dreaming person that “you're being mistaken, this dream isn't real, then
will they believe you?” Wake them up and they'll accept it immediately. Wake up and see that the
world doesn't even exist. Whatever is your perception, is your reality. Your perception shapes your
experience of reality. This isn't just something I'm telling for the sake of a katha/a teaching. We
aren't in this world. We are in the land of bhaktas.