12:05:00
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Read
"The
Judeo-‐Christian
Aspect
of
Martinism"
by
Imperartor
Christian
Bernard
before
the
Skype
discussion
at
http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest1_2014/table_of_contents.h tml.
Join
us
Today
for
the
Chat
on
the
new
"Martinism
Rosicrucian
Digest"
on
Tue
10/14/14
at
4pm
EDT/
1pm
PDT!
Here
in
this
NEW
Digest
Chat
Window!
[10/28/14
12:55:32
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
We
begin
in
5
min!
[10/28/14
1:00:51
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Welcome
everyone
from
very
pleasant
San
José
CA
USA
[10/28/14
1:01:21
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Greetings
from
SF.
[10/28/14
1:01:42
PM]
Kathy:
and
Greetings
from
very
pleasant
Jacksonville
Florida
USA
[10/28/14
1:01:54
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
:)
[10/28/14
1:02:05
PM]
Kathy:
Autumn
is
the
best
time
of
the
year
[10/28/14
1:02:16
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Greetings
from
Avalon
[10/28/14
1:02:19
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Yes,
my
favorite
too.
[10/28/14
1:02:26
PM]
Kathy:
I
have
been
wearing
my
San
Francisco
sweatshirt
[10/28/14
1:02:30
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Hello
Ben
[10/28/14
1:02:30
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Yes,
Fall
is
a
favorite!
[10/28/14
1:02:43
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Hi
Victoria
[10/28/14
1:02:54
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Cool.
One
more
win
and
it
will
be
mayhem
here.
[10/28/14
1:03:06
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I
have
my
orange
on.
[10/28/14
1:03:14
PM]
Kathy:
oh
yes
-‐
and
some
on
the
East
Coast
will
feel
the
same
[10/28/14
1:03:56
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Thank
you
all
for
participating
today!
We
have
the
first
of
the
Web
Supplementals,
an
article
by
the
Sovereign
Grand
Master
of
the
TMO,
Christian
Bernard.
[10/28/14
1:04:09
PM]
Sandra:
Hello
from
New
Hampshire
[10/28/14
1:04:18
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Hi
Sandra
[10/28/14
1:04:41
PM]
Kathy:
Oh
my
-‐
there
are
lots
of
us
here
today
-‐
yay
(sun)
[10/28/14
1:04:46
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Good
article.
Our
Imperator
is
a
good
writer.
[10/28/14
1:04:55
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Hi
Sandra
and
Diana,
good
to
see
both
of
You
here
today
[10/28/14
1:05:03
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Hello
from
across
the
street
from
RC
Park!
Just
attended
Council.
[10/28/14
1:05:04
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Let's
start
as
we
always
do
with
any
spiritual
effects
of
this
reading
on
us
this
week?
[10/28/14
1:05:10
PM]
Sandra:
Good
to
be
here.
[10/28/14
1:05:58
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
AMORC
is
global
while
TMO
is
personal...
[10/28/14
1:06:09
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I
think
I've
been
a
Judeo-‐Christian
mystic
for
a
long
time.
[10/28/14
1:06:26
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Let's
not
jump
to
analysis
yet!
LOL
[10/28/14
1:06:31
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Hi
Benjamin!
[10/28/14
1:07:10
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Any
meditations,
dreams,
etc.,
from
this
reading?
[10/28/14
1:07:19
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
No
for
me.
[10/28/14
1:07:25
PM]
Kathy:
nothing
remembered
[10/28/14
1:07:46
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
nothing
here
[10/28/14
1:07:54
PM]
Sandra:
me
either
[10/28/14
1:08:43
PM]
Diana
Myers:
To
be
honest
it's
been
some
time
since
reading
this
article....but
wanted
to
join
the
chat.
[10/28/14
1:08:45
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
No
worries!
[10/28/14
1:09:08
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
So,
the
first
part
is
a
general
introduction.
Any
comments,
thoughts,
surprises,
etc.?
[10/28/14
1:10:21
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
the
term
moral
civilry.
[10/28/14
1:10:37
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
What
does
moral
chivalry
mean
to
people?
Good
Question!
[10/28/14
1:11:04
PM]
Kathy:
it
almost
seemed
to
me
that
TMO
and
AMORC
have
similar
points
in
looking
to
Nature
for
answers
[10/28/14
1:11:46
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Knighthood
[10/28/14
1:11:50
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Purity
[10/28/14
1:12:00
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Chivalry:
The
ethical
code
of
the
knight
prevalent
in
Medieval
Europe,
having
such
primary
virtues
as
mercy
towards
the
poor
and
oppressed,
humility,
honor,
sacrifice,
fear
of
God,
faithfulness,
courage
and
utmost
graciousness
and
courtesy.
[10/28/14
1:13:06
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Okay.
Nice.
[10/28/14
1:13:23
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
Hi
everybody
from
Camada
[10/28/14
1:13:39
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Chivalry
is
a
system
which
recognises
and
promotes
the
necessity
to
reach
for
a
greater
sense
of
goodness.
Moral
chivalry
is
thus
a
system
of
chivilry
which
is
focussed
on
morals
as
a
way
to
achieve
greater
goodness.
[10/28/14
1:13:41
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
greetings!
[10/28/14
1:13:44
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Hi
Antonietta.
[10/28/14
1:14:22
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
when
we
say
morals,
it
is
not
moralistic,
as
in
condemning
others,
it
is
living
ethically.
[10/28/14
1:14:38
PM]
Kathy:
I
have
always
thought
of
chivalry
as
being
a
masculine
thing
-‐
however
since
TMO
allows
women
members
-‐
must
apply
to
us
females
too
[10/28/14
1:14:42
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Hi
Antonietta
[10/28/14
1:15:05
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Historically,
it
was
masculine,
but
we
have
transcended
that
for
quite
some
time.
[10/28/14
1:15:34
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
In
The
Game
of
Thrones,
there
is
a
great
and
chivalrous
Woman
who
is
a
Knight.
[10/28/14
1:15:57
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
I
think
by
referring
to
it
as
a
system,
and
a
particular
system
which
recognises
a
hierarchical
approach,
it
is
independent
of
gender.
[10/28/14
1:16:03
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Maybe
I
should
start
watching
GoT.
[10/28/14
1:16:08
PM]
Diana
Myers:
She
is
quite
a
knight
too!
[10/28/14
1:16:19
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
moral
chivalry...the
capacity
to
change
beliefs...
[10/28/14
1:16:43
PM]
Diana
Myers:
You
would
like
it
Victoria
[10/28/14
1:17:10
PM]
Kathy:
in
the
article
CB
says
that
Martinists
-‐
in
our
work
-‐
use
neither
theurgy
nor
magic
-‐
is
that
true
for
all
Martinist
Orders?
[10/28/14
1:17:16
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
in
the
Lord
of
the
Rings
I
would
say
that
both
Arawen
Evenstar
and
Éowyn
of
Rohan
are
certainly
chivalric.
[10/28/14
1:17:30
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Yes
[10/28/14
1:17:46
PM]
Diana
Myers:
In
a
softer
way
[10/28/14
1:17:50
PM]
Kathy:
and
the
Knights
of
the
Round
Table
were
also
chivalric
-‐
but
not
always
[10/28/14
1:18:08
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
It
also
throws
into
question
the
approach
taken
by
Freemasonry,
and
perhaps
why
LCdeSM
left
Freemasonry,
even
if
it
is
considered
a
system
of
moral
philosophy
which
has
a
Chivalric
basis
[10/28/14
1:18:10
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Brienne
of
Tarth
in
GofT
[10/28/14
1:18:49
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Often
when
I
think
of
the
knighthood
I
think
of
romance.
[10/28/14
1:19:53
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Can't
speak
for
other
Martinists,
but
certainly
not
for
us.
LCdeSM
certainly
wanted
to
move
away
from
Theurgy.
[10/28/14
1:20:54
PM]
Kathy:
and
that
is
another
similarity
with
AMORC
-‐
no
magic
-‐
no
theurgy
[10/28/14
1:20:57
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Some
Martinists
do
practice
Theurgy
and
this
is
referred
to
as
using
an
Operative
approach
and
is
closer
to
the
technique
which
Martinez
de
Pasqually
taught
[10/28/14
1:21:31
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
the
intro
also
mentions,
as
someone
noted
earlier,
that
studying
Nature
has
a
big
part
in
Martinism,
as
does
the
study
of
humanity.
[10/28/14
1:22:10
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
So
let's
move
on
to
the
article
proper.
Was
anyone
surprised
at
the
approach?
[10/28/14
1:22:26
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
No
it
was
perfect
[10/28/14
1:22:51
PM]
Kathy:
No
-‐
because
some
ot
it
was
from
The
Light
of
Martinism
-‐
which
has
been
read
-‐
and
more
than
once
[10/28/14
1:24:04
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Sadly
in
our
world
today,
so
many
see
religion
as
dividing
humanity,
being
exclusive.
What
is
the
approach
here?
[10/28/14
1:24:32
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Not
sure
how
most
think
of
magic
and
theurgy.
It
seems
to
me
there
is
a
little
bit
of
both
in
TMO
[10/28/14
1:24:46
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Inclusive
[10/28/14
1:24:50
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
That
Moses
complements
Jesus
more
ways
[10/28/14
1:25:18
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
yes,
integrating..
[10/28/14
1:25:31
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
I
think
that
they
are
speaking
of
a
more
heavy
magic
and
theurgy,
trying
to
"make"
things
happen,
evoke
Angels,
etc.
[10/28/14
1:25:44
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
TMO
does
not
practice
either
magic
or
Theurgy
Victoria.
[10/28/14
1:26:09
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Heavy
Magic
:)
[10/28/14
1:26:27
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Light
Mysticism
[10/28/14
1:26:32
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Etc...
[10/28/14
1:26:58
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
We
have
rituals
but
not
blunt
invokations.
[10/28/14
1:27:33
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Right.
Think
of
trying
to
invoke
an
Angel's
presence.
Viewers
of
"
[10/28/14
1:27:46
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
"Supernatural"
will
know
that
is
not
very
wise.
[10/28/14
1:28:11
PM]
Diana
Myers:
I
don't
know...whenever
a
a
particular
symbol
used....
:O
[10/28/14
1:28:18
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Magic
and
theurgy
are
often
believed
to
be
the
same
but
they
are
completly
different.
Magic
is
for
personal
transmutation
whereas
Theurgy
has
no
personal
element
whatsoever
and
in
fact
is
a
truly
impersonal
form
of
universal
service,
the
purpose
of
which
is
to
achieve
the
Reintegration
of
all
Beings.
[10/28/14
1:28:23
PM]
Kathy:
well
invoking
angels
or
any
other
entity
-‐
being
-‐
spirit
would
scare
the
bejesus
out
of
me
-‐
[10/28/14
1:28:27
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Magic
or
sorcery
is
an
attempt
to
understand,
experience
and
influence
the
world
using
rituals,
symbols,
actions,
gestures
and
language.[1][2][3][4]
Modern
Western
magicians
generally
state
magic's
primary
purpose
to
be
personal
spiritual
growth.
(from
wiki)
[10/28/14
1:28:27
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Lol
[10/28/14
1:28:57
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
I
think
we
unite
ourselves
with
the
spiritual,
and
with
those
who
have
gone
before
us.
[10/28/14
1:29:03
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
True
not
a
good
move
in
SPN.
[10/28/14
1:29:42
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
CNN?
[10/28/14
1:29:43
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
So,
let's
move
on.
Yes,
the
Imperator
sees
religions
as
complementary
to
one
another.
[10/28/14
1:29:48
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Magic
is
more
attempting
to
bend
to
your
personal
will.
Good
descriptions
BP
[10/28/14
1:29:52
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
TNT
and
WB
[10/28/14
1:30:02
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
It's
a
TV
show,
BP.
[10/28/14
1:30:29
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
later
in
the
article,
what
does
he
say
about
other
religious
paths
and
TMO?
[10/28/14
1:31:37
PM]
Diana
Myers:
It
integrates
,
recognizes
both
Christianity
and
Judaism
[10/28/14
1:31:48
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
and
more...
[10/28/14
1:31:49
PM]
Kathy:
that
it
is
humanity's
ignorance
that
sets
religions
against
one
another;
and
that
any
Buddhist,
Muslim,
etc,
if
truly
applying
the
spirit
of
their
faith,
can
see
the
Budda,
Muhammad,
etc.
as
different
incarnations
[10/28/14
1:32:03
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
It
recognizes
all
religions
and
leading
to
the
same
goal;
[10/28/14
1:32:27
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Reintegration
[10/28/14
1:32:28
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
that
we
are
attempting
to
accomplish
a
universal
non-‐religious
universal
religion
[10/28/14
1:32:45
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
I
think
he
suggests
that
one
could
write
a
similar
article
on
"Buddhist
aspects
of
TMO,"
"Muslim
mysticism
in
TMO,"
etc.
[10/28/14
1:32:54
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Yes.
[10/28/14
1:32:58
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Yes
[10/28/14
1:33:58
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
For
me
it
is
the
Martinist
Axiom
that
all
Initiates
recognize
the
Initiates
of
all
other
Paths.
I
would
certainly
not
want
to
see
a
homogenization
of
spiritual
paths,
but
a
mutuality.
[10/28/14
1:34:54
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Religions
oppose
each
other
since
it
is
a
literal
interpretation
of
different
selves...
[10/28/14
1:34:59
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Yes!
That
wound
be
a
huge
step
in
the
right
direction
and
think
true
initiates
do
this.
All
lead
to
the
same
place...
[10/28/14
1:35:16
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
I
would
want
to
continue
to
have
Whirling
Dervishes,
Schul,
Divine
Liturgy,
Buddhist,
Hindu,
Druid,
Wiccan,
etc.
rituals
and
Paths,
but
all
recognizing
one
another.
[10/28/14
1:35:57
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Merging
is
only
possible
through
the
within
[10/28/14
1:36:13
PM]
Kathy:
Yes
Fr.
Steven
-‐
it
would
be
a
good
thing
to
continue
all
those
practices
but
have
them
accepted
by
other
traditions
[10/28/14
1:36:14
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
You
may
not
want
to
see
a
homogenization
but
it
is
important
to
de-‐personalise
such
an
object,
perhaps
[10/28/14
1:36:25
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
Steven,
we
have
to
leave
the
"paths"...when
you
arrive
there
is
no
path
[10/28/14
1:36:26
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
http://youtu.be/uvmtHGwRSuQ
the
Diversity
of
the
Paths!
[10/28/14
1:36:34
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
yes
[10/28/14
1:36:42
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I
agree
Antonietta.
[10/28/14
1:36:59
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Of
Course
Antonietta,
but
that
is
within.
I
would
not
want
to
eat
one
form
of
food
everyday,
even
though
it
is
all
nourishing.
[10/28/14
1:37:32
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
OK!
[10/28/14
1:37:49
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
But
it
all
definitely
arrives
at
the
same
place!
[10/28/14
1:38:04
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
All
Paths
converge
if
we
let
them!
[10/28/14
1:38:20
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
YES!
[10/28/14
1:38:39
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
We
are
commonly
Divine
[10/28/14
1:38:45
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Good
B5
clip
Steven
[10/28/14
1:38:49
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Diversity
does
not
necessarily
imply
a
result
called
unity.
[10/28/14
1:39:34
PM]
Kathy:
but
accepting
diversity
can
result
in
acceptance
[10/28/14
1:40:00
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
and
diversity
is
how
unity
is
explored..
[10/28/14
1:40:08
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
From
my
perspective,
Diversity
and
Unity
are
complementary,
and
either
can
have
its
pitfalls…
rigid
individuality
or
uniformity.
[10/28/14
1:40:12
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Clearly
this
is
a
deep
issue
for
the
American
nation
since
it
is
a
Yesod
of
the
World
in
many
way
where
all
lights
are
being
collected.
[10/28/14
1:40:17
PM]
Kathy:
understanding
diversity
can
result
in
acceptance
of
that
diversity
[10/28/14
1:40:40
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Yes
Ben
it
is
a
deep
issue
and
getting
a
little
deeper.
[10/28/14
1:40:46
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
Compassion,
understanding,
include
all
the
methods
[10/28/14
1:41:03
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
for
Canada,
Australia,
Brazil,
all
of
the
"New
Nations"
which
were
founded
on
Diversity.
[10/28/14
1:41:11
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
"Whenever
the
situation
presents
itself
to
us,
it
is
vital
to
make
it
known
that
it
is
humanity’s
ignorance
that
sets
religions
against
one
another;"
[10/28/14
1:41:27
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Yes
Rafael
[10/28/14
1:41:32
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
yes,
back
to
the
article…
how
about
the
role
of
the
Essenes?
[10/28/14
1:41:44
PM]
Kathy:
all
the
countries
of
the
Americas
are
melting
pots
of
many
ethnic
backgrounds
and
religions
and
intermarriage
-‐
living
side-‐by-‐side
is
accomplishing
something
[10/28/14
1:42:17
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
yes
[10/28/14
1:42:43
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
Everything
and
everyone
is
where
they
are
supposed
to
be...tough
concept
[10/28/14
1:42:52
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
They
have
completely
different
issues
Steven.
Australia
has
solar
issues,
Brazil
with
issues
of
relating,
Venus
issues,and
Canada
and
the
US
have
the
same
issue
but
different
mini
themes
surrounding
the
same.
[10/28/14
1:44:02
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
We
will
have
to
have
a
great
conversation
on
all
those
one
of
these
days
BP…how
about
at
the
World
Convention!
[10/28/14
1:44:25
PM]
Kathy:
That
Moses
and
Jesus
were
both
Essenes
but
of
different
sects
[10/28/14
1:44:37
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I'm
going.
[10/28/14
1:44:40
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Now,
the
Essenes…
they
seem
to
pay
a
big
role!
[10/28/14
1:44:56
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Recall
what
we
know
about
them...
[10/28/14
1:45:35
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest2_2007/table_of_contents.h tml
[10/28/14
1:45:36
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
"It
is
difficult
to
establish
the
authenticity
of
these
claims;"...However
[10/28/14
1:46:19
PM]
RAFAEL
CADENAS:
reference
to
the
double
split
seems
to
be
there
[10/28/14
1:46:24
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
The
chat
participants
who
are
able
to
attend
in
2015
should
certainly
have
lunch
one
day
together!!
[10/28/14
1:46:35
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
The
Essenes
are
particularly
interesting
here
-‐
we
have
a
local
community
of
Essenes
here
in
Avalon.
There
is
Jerusalem
-‐
which
is
dead
and
filled
with
evil
-‐
and
the
New
Jerusalem,
which
I
understand
is
slightly
different
from
what
Christian
suggests
later
on.
[10/28/14
1:46:44
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Good
idea
Steven.
[10/28/14
1:46:45
PM]
Diana
Myers:
That
would
be
fun!
[10/28/14
1:47:03
PM]
Kathy:
it
would
be
a
very
long
lunch
[10/28/14
1:47:10
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Lol
[10/28/14
1:47:12
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
:D
[10/28/14
1:47:14
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
we'll
have
to
see
Steven,
2015
is
awhile
way
yet,
but
would
be
good
for
sure.
[10/28/14
1:47:48
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
the
Essenes
are
also
connected
to
the
Egyptian
Theraputae,
to
Mt.
Sinai,
to
Mt.
Carmel,
the
Carmelites,
and
to
the
first
RC
settlement
in
NorthAm…Carmel
CA!
[10/28/14
1:47:48
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Seems
like
the
Essenes
never
wavered.
Held
on
to
the
traditions
purity
and
passed
it
along
[10/28/14
1:48:02
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest2_2007/online%20digest/a rticles/02_carmel_schultz.pdf
[10/28/14
1:48:11
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Premidial
[10/28/14
1:48:22
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
There
is
also
a
working
Essenic
community
is
Southern
California
at
this
time.
[10/28/14
1:48:46
PM]
Diana
Myers:
*Primordial.
...iPhones
[10/28/14
1:49:06
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Oh
yes,
definitely
Essene
revivals:
http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest2_2007/online%20digest/a rticles/09_modern_hill.pdf
[10/28/14
1:49:33
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest2_2007/online%20digest/a rticles/08_modern_documents.pdf
We've
covered
a
lot
in
these
Digests!
[10/28/14
1:50:03
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I
admit
I
can
not
live
never
wavering
purity.
[10/28/14
1:50:33
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
However,
the
Essenes
of
all
persuasions
recognise
Avalon
as
the
future
new
Jerusalem
and
it
is
here
where
the
centre
of
essenism
is
at
this
time.
[10/28/14
1:50:55
PM]
Diana
Myers:
I
think
the
modern
Essenes
might
be
a
lot
more
relaxed
about
things
?
[10/28/14
1:50:56
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Interesting
Ben
[10/28/14
1:51:35
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
did
those
feet
in
ancient
time
Walk
upon
England's
mountains
green:
And
was
the
holy
Lamb
of
God,
On
England's
pleasant
pastures
seen!
[10/28/14
1:51:52
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Where
is
that
from
[10/28/14
1:52:18
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Preface
to
Blake's
Milton.
Now
a
Hymn
[10/28/14
1:53:01
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
did
those
feet
in
ancient
time
Walk
upon
England's
mountains
green:
And
was
the
holy
Lamb
of
God,
On
England's
pleasant
pastures
seen!
And
did
the
Countenance
Divine,
Shine
forth
upon
our
clouded
hills?
And
was
Jerusalem
builded
here,
Among
these
dark
Satanic
Mills?
Bring
me
my
Bow
of
burning
gold;
Bring
me
my
Arrows
of
desire:
Bring
me
my
Spear:
O
clouds
unfold!
Bring
me
my
Chariot
of
fire!
I
will
not
cease
from
Mental
Fight,
Nor
shall
my
Sword
sleep
in
my
hand:
Till
we
have
built
Jerusalem,
In
England's
green
&
pleasant
Land
[10/28/14
1:53:29
PM]
Diana
Myers:
You
have
amazing
recall
Steven!!!
[10/28/14
1:53:40
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Right,
and
it
is
a
very
important
song
which
is
sung
by
the
Essenes
in
a
Holy
Ceremony
here
on
21st
June
each
year.
It
is
called
Jerusalem
and
it
is
secretly
centred
right
on
this
very
place,
where
Angels
truly
dwell!!!
[10/28/14
1:54:05
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
http://youtu.be/C79L3vjKAWQ
[10/28/14
1:54:53
PM]
Kathy:
Yes
-‐
I
have
attended
one
of
those
Holy
Ceremonies
on
the
Summer
Solstice
-‐
and
all
the
angels
were
invoked
-‐
a
quite
moving
experience
to
say
the
least
[10/28/14
1:55:01
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
So,
wrapping
up…how
does
the
Imperator
see
the
relationship
between
Judeo-‐Christianity
and
TMO?
[10/28/14
1:55:20
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Avalon
sounds
like
a
magical
place.
I
need
to
visit.
[10/28/14
1:55:49
PM]
Kathy:
yes
-‐
maybe
AMORC
will
do
a
tour
someday???
[10/28/14
1:55:57
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
I
keep
hoping.
[10/28/14
1:56:00
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
You're
more
than
welcome
Victoria,
sure
we
can
put
You
up
[10/28/14
1:56:10
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
So,
wrapping
up…how
does
the
Imperator
see
the
relationship
between
Judeo-‐Christianity
and
TMO?
[10/28/14
1:56:33
PM]
Kathy:
that
Jewish
and
Christian
Mysticism
are
the
two
pillars
of
the
same
traditional
Temple
[10/28/14
1:57:12
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
There's
a
short
tour
and
then
there's
the
Tour.
:)
We
can
give
You
that
for
sure.
[10/28/14
1:57:14
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Yes.
One
is
the
continuation
of
the
other.
Not
to
be
separated.
[10/28/14
1:57:19
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
And
open
to
others
too?
[10/28/14
1:57:50
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Cool.
Thanks
Ben.
and
yes
open
to
other's
too.
[10/28/14
1:58:08
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Sure
Stephen
[10/28/14
1:58:37
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
YES!
[10/28/14
1:58:46
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Those
who
have
studied
in
the
Heptad
know
that
the
Vedic,
Ancient
Greco-‐Roman
and
other
traditions
are
also
included
in
the
studies.
[10/28/14
1:58:59
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Yes
[10/28/14
1:59:02
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
And
in
home
study.
[10/28/14
1:59:08
PM]
Diana
Myers:
How
can
they
not
be!
[10/28/14
1:59:09
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Yes
also
[10/28/14
1:59:24
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
All
aspects
of
the
One!
[10/28/14
1:59:40
PM]
Diana
Myers:
:DYes
[10/28/14
2:00:00
PM]
Kathy:
for
sure
-‐
and
all
these
Digest
chats
that
enhance
the
timeline
series
of
the
Rosicrucian
Digests
have
been
beneficial
in
seeing
that
[10/28/14
2:00:54
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Great.
Next
week,
I
propose
we
start
with
the
Interview
that
ends
this
article,
and
then
continue
with
the
article
on
Jakob
Boehme…
how's
that?
[10/28/14
2:01:09
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
okey
dokey
[10/28/14
2:01:13
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
The
interview
is
very
interesting
and
I
think
it
will
be
thought
provoking.
[10/28/14
2:01:20
PM]
Sandra:
Great,
Thanks
everyone!
[10/28/14
2:01:24
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Yes
it
is.
[10/28/14
2:01:37
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Thank
you
all
for
a
great
and
stimulating
chat!
[10/28/14
2:02:10
PM]
Antonietta
Francini:
Great!
Thanks!
Peace
Profund!
[10/28/14
2:02:34
PM]
Benjamin
Pybus:
Thank
you
everyone
for
yet
another
inspiring
evening.
Great
chat.
Next
week
will
be
interesting.
Peace
Profound,
May
You
ever
dwell..
[10/28/14
2:02:34
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Thanks
everyone.
I'm
off
to
make
chicken
salad
for
the
game.
Have
to
get
some
celery
first.
You
are
all
wonderful.
[10/28/14
2:02:40
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Ok!
It's
the
one
from
The
Imperator's
new
book?
[10/28/14
2:02:44
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Peace
Profound
to
all!
[10/28/14
2:02:50
PM]
Kathy:
Sounds
good
-‐
thanks
for
another
great
chat
All
-‐
Peace
and
LLL
(heart)
[10/28/14
2:02:53
PM]
Steven
Armstrong:
Yes,
it's
in
this
same
article
[10/28/14
2:03:00
PM]
Victoria
Stephens:
Peace,
Faith
and
Love.
[10/28/14
2:03:16
PM]
Diana
Myers:
Thank
you
and
Peace
Profound
to
al
(heart)