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I don’t understand the ћ𝜿/2πk reference, and it is not explained in Hawking’s paper (for details, see Tables) If inter-
preted as h-bar*surface gravity acceleration/2π*Boltzmann’s constant, the two formulas are not “roughly equivalent.”
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For real particles, the Heisenberg relation is ΔEΔt ≥ h/2π.
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In physics, h/2π — the reduced Planck constant (a.k.a. Dirac’s constant) — is called “h-bar” (symbol ћ).
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Light, in a vacuum, travels one Planck length (1 lP ≅ 16.3×10−36 m) in one Planck time (1 tP ≅ 5.4×10−44 s).
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“Hawking Radiation”: Do Black Holes Really “Evaporate”?
(3) Negative energy is an idea generally considered speculative today, 38 years after Hawking’s
paper was published. 5 But even if we allow the existence of negative mass (and assume that the
process deciding which member of the pair that gets “captured” has no preference for antimatter
over matter): Which physical process would make a black hole lose mass by absorbing a virtual
particle pair member? With a 50/50 virtual +/– mass contribution the net gain/loss ought to be zero.
As I understand what Hawking’s reasoning boils down to, I see three distinct cases:6
Inside: No loss/gain
Outside: No loss/gain
+ Virtual particle-antiparticle pairs,
– appear and annihilate within Δt
+ – “Ergosphere”
–
+ + –
Event Horizon
Black hole virtual particle creation. Case also has a mirror version (Image: H Norman)
Creation/annihilation inside the event horizon — Wholly “unknowable” process, but since it
took place internally, M ought to be unchanged.
Creation/annihilation outside the event horizon. Since nothing was captured by the hole, M
ought to be unchanged.
Creation outside the event horizon: one member of the pair escapes to infinity, the other is
dragged across the event horizon and disappears down the hole: M ought to increase.
Only in case would a net change in M result, but since the origin of the captured mass was the
“quantum foam” outside the black hole proper, I fail to see how M could decrease as a result. This
would imply that the captured “new” and now real particle has negative mass, and in currently
known physics, particles and antiparticles have opposite charge, but both have positive mass.
In his 2003 paper “Do Black Holes Radiate?“ Adam D. Helfer presents an excellent discussion of
some of the problems with Hawkins’ famous paper, concluding that “no compelling theoretical
case for or against radiation by black holes is likely to be made.” Still, this never observed radia-
tion is routinely presented as an established fact in many different scientific texts (search on
“Hawking Radiation,” and you’ll get the picture).7 Go figure!
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“… every modern physicist suspects that antimatter has positive mass and should be affected by gravity just like nor-
mal matter, although it is thought that this view has not yet been conclusively empirically observed.” (Wikipedia)
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Logically, there is a fourth case (unlikely to be physically possible): A pair popping inside the event horizon, both
members escaping before annihilating. Whether such a pair later annihilates or not, this would probably lead to a loss of
holey mass, but the gravitational grip of the hole is presumably strong enough to prevent this from ever happening.
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To date there is no evidence — of any kind — supporting Hawking’s “small primordial black holes” conjecture.
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Tables (Black Hole Properties, Physical Constants) and Associated Notes
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Tables (Black Hole Properties, Physical Constants) and Associated Notes
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Roger Penrose (in “The Emperor’s New Mind” (1989), page 340) suggests the very similar A = M28π(G2/c2), but
this appears to be a mistake, as it yields A = 2.41×1026 (17 orders of magnitude too large).
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Tables (Black Hole Properties, Physical Constants) and Associated Notes
(11a) Hawking’s 1975 paper, said to “approximate” (19a) — Not really... Note: K.Y.M. Wong
(23) suggests 10–7 rather than 10–6.
(12) Bernard H. Lavenda, Cosmic Illusions, (2013), Eq. (20).
(13) Bernard H. Lavenda, Cosmic Illusions (2013), Eq. (22).
(14) Wikipedia (Hawking Radiation), Planck spectrum temperature. Multipliy by kB (yet again)
to get TH. (This is lauded (in this presentation (2005)) as “One of the most beautiful and
profound formulas in physics in the last fifty years”). See also (16).
John Preskill, in his web published essay “Black Hole” (1993), suggests ћc3/(8πGM),
which is identical if multipled with kB. See also (27).
(15) Frolov & Novikov, Black Hole Physics: Basic Concepts and New Developments; Eq.
(10.1.8). See also (16).
(16) David M. Harrison, University of Toronto, Department of Physics, Black Hole Thermody-
namics. (I find it amusing that Harrison’s very simple formula (6×10-8/M) yields a TBH value
only ~ 2.73% less than the result of the convoluted formulas used in (14) and (15)), a value
that also just happens to coincide with the CMBR “temperature,” ~ 2.73 K.)
(17) Jim Wisniewski, Hawking Radiation Calculator, very close to 0 K.
(18) Gary Horowitz, Black Holes, Entropy, and Information.
(18a) Roger Penrose, Cycles of Time (2010), p 178: TB H = K/M, where K = 1/4π.
(19) Tamara Davis et al, “Black hole vs cosmological horizon entropy,” Eq. (1).
(19a) Hawking’s 1975 paper (к/2π, with к calculated in natural units (see (7a)).
(20) Jakob Bekenstein, Do We Understand Black Hole Entropy?: For reference, see Beken-
stein’s Eq. (1), and his discussion following Eq. (29)).
(21) Jakob Bekenstein, Do We Understand Black Hole Entropy?
(22) Only the TBH values from (14) and (15) produces the same TH value.
(23) K.Y. Michael Wong, Perspectives on the Origin of the Universe (June 2006). The CMBR
temperature (2.73 K) is 10 31 times hotter than this TH — the hole ought to absorb more than
it radiates. (Is radiation even possible? For “heat” to go from cold to hot (energy concen-
tration rather than dispersion) appears to violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.)
(24) Wikipedia (Hawking Radiation), Stefan-Boltzmann-Schwarzschild-Hawking “radiation
power law” (what determines the factor 15,360?).
(25) Hawking Radiation Calculator, equivalent to SBSH power law (24).
(26) Jakob Bekenstein, Do We Understand Black Hole Entropy?, Eq. (1). Multiply by 10 6 to
get the value for πr H2/ћ (Equivalent to (30)).
(27) Scholarpedia (Bekenstein-Hawking entropy), Eq. (1,1) (Equivalent to (38)). See also
“Aspects of quantum gravity: quantum space-time and black hole thermodynamics” by
Michele Arzano.
John Preskill, in his web published essay “Black Hole” (1993), suggests S/kB = 0.25A/ℓP2,
which is identical (multiplying by k B yields the SBH in (32) to (34b)). See also (14).
(28) V. Pancovic et al, Bohr’s Semiclassical Model of the Black Hole Thermodynamics. Here
G has been thrown in as an extra term.
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Tables (Black Hole Properties, Physical Constants) and Associated Notes
About the black hole surface area formulas (notes 3-6): Since Euclid’s ancient sphere surface
formula 4πr2 yields the exact same value as the rather more convoluted M2((16πG2)/c4),
4π(2GM/c2)2, and 16π(GM/c2)2. This may be a silly question, but why isn’t Euclid’s much simpler
equation used in “black hole literature”? Shouldn’t Occam’s Razor be applied to shave unnecessary
complexity off formulas and equations, as well as in hypotheses/theories?
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Excerpt from Leonard Susskind’s book The Black Hole War (2008)
Excerpt from Leonard Susskind’s book The Black Hole War (page 188), where
the author describes what will eventually happen to “information” that happens to
fall into a “black hole,” which will subsequently (according to a 1975 Stephen
Hawking hypothesis) ever so slowly “evaporate” away into pure radiation... (Suss-
kind’s text shaded):
a b c d
Illustration adapted from Susskind’s original (H. Norman)
Imagine drops of ink falling into a tub of water, carrying a message — drip, drip,
drop, space, drop, drip.9 (a)
Soon the sharply defined drops begin to dissolve, the message gets harder to read,
and the water becomes cloudy. (b)
After a few hours, all that’s left is a uniform tub of slightly gray water. (c)
Although from a practical point of view, the message is hopelessly scrambled, the
principles of Quantum Mechanics ensure that it is still there among the huge num-
ber of chaotically moving molecules. But soon the fluid begins to evaporate from
the tub. Molecule after molecule escapes into empty space <sic!> — ink as well as
water — eventually leaving the tub dry and empty. The information is gone, but has
it been destroyed? Though scrambled far beyond recovery by any practical scheme,
not a bit of information has been erased. It’s obvious what has happened to it: it’s
been carried off in the evaporation products, the vaporous molecular cloud escaping
into space. (d) (highlight added)
With all respect due Dr. Susskind, not one bit of this parable is true: QM notwith-
standing — and never mind ink residue — the “information” is utterly and irrecov-
erably gone. As in obliterated (better still, in QM lingo, annihilated). Forever.
Since the “bits” of the message are analog (drip, drop corresponding to the bits 0, 1
(short, long)), this happens as soon as the drops merge with the water. The message
is not by some quantum magic “encoded” in any form, other than the individual
driplet & droplet sizes, and that information is not somehow conserved.
I find it difficult to see what this eminent physicist is trying to tell us here.
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Susskind’s message appears to be “droop drip drip drip; drip drip droop; drip droop drip drip; drip droop drip
drip; drip drip drip; drip drip drip drip; drip drip; droop”…