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Not One Corpse Has Been Found In The ‘Mass Grave’ Of Indigenous Children In Canada
-- The whole story, it seems, was concocted to stir up hatred against Christians
and stoke outrage. It succeeded. (thefederalist.com)

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[–]joculatorConservative 172 points 14 hours ago

So is the story about the mass grave BS or not? Also, have those who torched
churches, people who effectively engaged in a hate crime, have they been
prosecuted?

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[–]zaknealon 68 points 10 hours ago

It would appear that this article (and the article it cites as its primary source)
only discusses one site, Kamloops, where radar detected what was determined to be
unmarked graves. There were over 1000 grave found across Canada as of July. I'm not
sure how many have been exhumed (archaeological digs take a lot of time to set up
as far as I'm aware), so we'll have to wait and see how many of them are actual
grave sites. While I have no problem believing that one team (or person? hard to
tell) screwed up at one site, the sites across Canada were inspected by a variety
of teams & people, and I find it hard to believe that all of these teams made the
same mistakes.

This article ignores the other sites where unmarked grave sites were detected and
uses that ignorance to paint Canada's collective grief over these discoveries as a
fiction "concocted to stir up hatred against Christians." I find that narrative at
best poorly informed and at worst misleading.

EDIT: to be clear, 1000 graves, not 1000 grave sites! Made the change

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[–]OkDog99Conservative 19 points 10 hours ago

A lot of people were crazy about this at the time so I can easily see how a lot of
them may have been over-interpreted. That said, I'd be really surprised if none of
them are found to contain actual remains.

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[–]zaknealon 12 points 10 hours ago

I've lived in the US and Canada, and I would put the national feelings surrounding
residential schools in Canada on par with US national feelings on Slavery, except
residential schools happened throughout the 20th century and the last one closed in
the 90s, so there's a lot more public discovery still happening about it (hasn't
had as much time to be studied) and it's still shocking and fresh for a lot of
Canadians.

If you're interested, I would breeze through the Wikipedia page. I obviously

haven't vetted all the sources cited, but the page mostly matches what public
schools are teaching nowadays. Even if child mortality rates in the schools weren't
any higher than on reservation (unlikely), it was still a conscious attempt to wipe
out indigenous culture and its a massive black mark on the country's history.

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[–]matrixnsight 0 points 9 hours ago

I find it sad that if Canada had just killed all the natives in mass genocide the
outrage would probably be less than it currently is today since they would no
longer be a significant voting block that the government had to pander to.

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[–]OkDog99Conservative 1 point 6 hours ago

Most canadians don't care about it

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[–]glitcherette 6 points 6 hours ago

The issue is that the studies all used GPR to estimate the grave #s. The estimates
were reported by some MSM outlets to be off by up to 30%, but in my own experience
as an engineer I know that GPR can be off by 100%. (Others have noted this above)

As each of these news stories rolled through right in time to cancel Canada day I
certainly had some questions. I think now there has been a net good of awareness
for the topic of residential schools, however I hope that instead of funding
studies with limited accuracy and printing that on front page national news, we
will figure out a different way to proceed.

It will probably be a lot less exciting for our news. But it will be more correct.

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[–]__pulsar2a all the way 0 points 1 hour ago

Graves alone aren't proof of anything, though.

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[–]frybread69 89 points 11 hours ago

Hello, I am a canadian native. My father was a residential school survivor. He died

when I was very young and was buried in a catholic church yard on the reservation.
I went to visit his grave for the first time and it was unmarked, the whole
cemetery was grown over with only a small percentage of the graves marked. My aunts
had to guess which grave was his and even then they were not sure. When this issue
of unmarked graves came up, I asked the question to local leaders and family if the
bodies were unknown and recently discovered or if they were buried with the
famliies knowledge and the graves and markers not kept up. I never got a straight
answer, i was basically ignored. I don't doubt that there are some that were buried
in secret, but I do think this issue was basically made for political purposes. I
made arrangements to clean up the grave site the following year but the cemetery
flooded, which I found out is common. I have not made it back there recently
because of covid.

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[–]fadilicious17 24 points 9 hours ago

Thank you for that insightful testimony; much appreciated.

When you say your father was a residential school “survivor”, can you elaborate on
that? I’m pretty ignorant on the topic. Many thanks.

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[–]frybread69 29 points 8 hours ago

For about a hundred years, aboriginal children were to attend residential schools
designed to assimilate them into Canadian culture and strip them of their native
language and culture. My father aged out of the system and returned to his home
reserve. He died in a car accident when he was 24. He is called a survivor because
he made it out alive. My mother in law also attended residential schools and she
tells stories of children that went missing or were severely abused. I think the
last residential school closed in the 1990's.

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[–]notsocharmingprinceConservative 5 points 5 hours ago

If it makes you feel any better it was at one time Catholic tradition to mark poor
grave sites with a wooden cross. It’s possible that the site was marked at one
point in time. I hope that gives you some comfort.

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[–]Different-Radio-5899 90 points 13 hours ago*

The dumbest part about all of this is we learn about the real graves literally in
middle/highschool. It's our equivalent to the trail of tears and that's how it was
taught before all this nonsense, now it's some "Canadian holocaust" they think was
covered up. This whole hysteria really just goes to show the stupidity of the
average Liberal and the fact they don't learn anything in school.

Oh and for those who don't know there was no deliberate campaign of
violence/extermination. The graves were the result of severe child neglect/abuse.
The children weren't killed, but they would get sick or run off into the tundra and
be ignored. Then they'd find the bodies the next morning and bury them to not
attract predators. It was absolutely horrible and racist for the fed to do that to
kids but it was no Holocaust.

Also the media calling these "masse graves" is the epitome of Liberal propaganda.
These aren't ditches filled with corpses. It's literally a masse number of orderly
grave sites that just happened to have their wooden crosses rot away. But according
to the liberal media a masse number of orderly graves (ie a cemetery) are now
"masse graves".

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[–]Jibilerto 45 points 12 hours ago

They really tried to make people think that these kids were all murdered and
abused.

But even if we take the death tolls reported, they match the general child
mortality rates for the time period.

And like you said, they were all marked and recorded. But they act like they were
just unmarked, unreported holes filled with bodies.

But they are literally just cemeteries.

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[–]sfwthrowaway313 29 points 11 hours ago

Well it's unequivocal fact that they were stolen from their parents and forced to
change their names, clothing and hair style and forbidden to speak their indigenous
language. That's abuse in my book. Beyond that there's stories of all kinds of
physical abuse and verbal abuse.

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[–]1122113344 11 points 10 hours ago

In the past, it was thought it was better for the Natives to be forcefully
integrated into Canadian culture. This was racist and abusive.

Today, it’s better to let the Natives live their own lives which typically results
in them being disadvantaged and poor. This is also racist and abusive.

Do you see the problem?

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[–]sfwthrowaway313 14 points 9 hours ago

Today, it’s better to let the Natives live their own lives which typically
results in them being disadvantaged and poor. This is also racist and abusive.

I don't see anyone claiming that it is racist and abusive to NOT steal NA children
from their parents and NOT put them in boarding schools. I don't agree with your
premise.

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[–]1122113344 -4 points 9 hours ago

What’s my premise?

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[–]sfwthrowaway313 9 points 9 hours ago

that people are claiming it is racist and abusive to NOT steal NA children from
their parents and to NOT force them into boarding school

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[–]DeathM8te 1 point 9 hours ago

Right, because we no longer allow them to live their hunter/gatherer nomadic

lifestyle that sustained them before ypipo showed up and ruined everything.

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[–]1122113344 8 points 9 hours ago

I can’t tell if you’re being serious. Are you claiming they would be better off as
hunter gatherers?

Do you understand that all cultures around today started off as hunter gatherers
and they all made the decision to change to agricultural societies. Hunter gatherer
cultures are not sustainable against any competition. You have to be able to defend
your territory and hunter gatherers can’t do it.

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[–]DeathM8te -1 points 8 hours ago

My ancestors (Kalinga) were headhunters that up until about 70 years ago, used
violence to hold and maintain territory. It does work lol.

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[–]MerlynTrump -2 points 8 hours ago

"in the past" - we still see this today, just look at McAuliffe and Whitmer's
comments about how parents shouldn't be in control of their kids' education. It's
the same mentality "the state/the school knows better" "it takes a village..." blah
blah blah.

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[–]ErisagiAnti-Communist 1 point 3 hours ago

There is less responsibility for the welfare of the natives in how it's done today.
The natives are responsible for their own actions and our morality is relatively
clean since we do not actively interfere or take part in the abuse. To do it the
other way is to take a similar approach as the People's Republic of China in
regards to its Uighurs.

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[–]Jibilerto 9 points 11 hours ago

So sounds like every school during the time period. My dad should have been left
handed, but they wouldn’t let him so now he writes with his right hand, but he
holds everything with a distorted wrist.

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[–]winterbikeClassical Liberal 14 points 8 hours ago

People seem to have forgotten how massively shitty life in Canada used to be until
about the 1950s. The weather is absolutely brutal, the jobs were hard and
unforgiving, and quality of life was generally terrible.

Grandparents on one side: raised 10 kids on a farm, grandpa worked 2 jobs his whole
life to support the family. Grandparents on the other side: both routinely starved
as kids and went through years of abuse in the system, either schools or
orphanages. Worked their whole lives in terrible jobs because they never could
afford a proper education.

Too bad my grandmother just died, I would have loved to lecture her on the white
privilege she had to work at 12 years old giving baths to patients with
tuberculosis at the local hospital. I'm sure Italian immigrants like her only
traveled to Canada to persecute the Natives.

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[–]MerlynTrump 3 points 8 hours ago

wasn't the American public school system founded to Americanize and Protestantize
Irish and German immigrants?

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[–]SkybridgeXCanadian Conservative 3 points 5 hours ago

Let's not forget that the residential schools were championed by the "compassionate
progressives" of the day who felt Canada had to fix the terrible problems that came
about as a result of colonization.

Most of those kids died from tuberculosis and neglect which was common for the
time.

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[–]MerlynTrump 2 points 8 hours ago

wait, do Americans spell it mass and Canadians masse?

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[–]Different-Radio-5899 1 point 2 hours ago

I think so, it probably goes back to us having a french influence and from the
phrase "en masse" whereas Americans would say "in mass".

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[–]BigRockford05 32 points 13 hours ago

As usual, the follow up is never as popular as the original 🙄

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[–]AtAllCostSpeakTruth 24 points 12 hours ago

And, when Christians claim persecution, they are mocked.

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[–]jojoyahoo 7 points 10 hours ago

Not sure why the article has to lie (given we have indeed found bones in the newly
discovered burial sites near former residential schools).

When articles outright lie, it's counter productive because leftist get an excuse
to dismiss it.

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[–]radbreath 24 points 12 hours ago

The "Indigenous Movement" folks tried to shake down the Canadian government for
land and money over this. I don't know if the Canadians gave in. This story about
the graves sort of died down.

The tribes up in Canada are blocking rail, interfering with commerce, and trying to
block oil pipelines. They're really working the government and private industry for
concessions, cash.

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[–]polerizeConservative 16 points 11 hours ago

The government just gave them 40 billion.

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[–]jd_porterConservative 5 points 7 hours ago

Will not be surprised to see most of it squandered or stolen.

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[–]winterbikeClassical Liberal 3 points 8 hours ago

Trudeau is the PM. He bent over to take it and then gave them billions of dollars
for their trouble. It's disgusting.
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[–]car_mom_whore 3 points 6 hours ago

The pipeline blockade issue is a little more complex than that. There are countless
indigenous leaders who support the pipeline and there are those who don’t.
Basically it boils down to elective officials for these communities vs hereditary
chiefs + a whole lot of white guilt/ white saviour complexes.

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[–]MerlynTrump 1 point 8 hours ago

They do the same stuff in the U.S. too! I don't know what they have against
pipelines, do they want the country to be stuck in the 15th century.

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[–]DirtbagAdventure 5 points 10 hours ago

I heard Trudeau the Great pontificating about how historic his achievement of
elevating the First Nations People was yesterday on a WSJ podcast. This 'graves of
children' thing helped push the entitlement program over the edge. If I was a
Canadian taxpayer, I'd be pissed.

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[–]Dynas_Liberty or Death 14 points 13 hours ago

If I were those Churches I'd sue the pants off the media outlets which reported
lies.

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[–]TheBigCR 5 points 10 hours ago

Oh fuck dont tell me I fell for a psy op. Are we sure there's no bodies? Our
government is shit so I naturally assumed their residential school program had been
neglecting kids to death.

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[–]PurplePopcorn1 2 points 49 minutes ago

No, this article only talks about 1 specific gravesite and doesnt confirm that
there were actually no bodies and this was just a hoax, just explains the fact that
this one gravesite used inconslusive evidence to say there was. There very well may
be a ton of child bodies in the ground, but its neither confirmed no deconfirmed
until its actually dug out

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[–]ENFJPLinguaphileChristian Conservative 3 points 10 hours ago

I guarantee any apology That has ever come out of Justin Trudeau’s mouth for
anything has been false anyway. I’d rather not that he would apologize If he’s
going to use the apology to bash the everyday Christian instead of condemning
horrible institutional practices that deserve to be condemned.

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[–]LurkerNumber44 3 points 7 hours ago

was he the black face guy or was that the dude from Virginia?

or the one that married his grandmother's BFF? still don't know.

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[–]ENFJPLinguaphileChristian Conservative 3 points 2 hours ago

Both were guilty of blackface.

As for marrying his grandmother’s best friend, I believe you’re thinking of

Emmanuel Macron?

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[–]johnnylopez5666 2 points 2 hours ago

Do you mean Emmanuel Macron the one the grandmother's best friend?

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[–]johnnylopez5666 1 point 9 hours ago

I'm not sure about that if he is truly indeed sorry or I would think he would use
that to come up with the excuse from his mouth.

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[–]CancerTomato 1 point 10 hours ago

Hey pal careful there questioning mass death events

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[–]FrankTheBank25Back The Blue 2 points 9 hours ago

Am I even supposed to be surprised?

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[–]Max-Powah 1 point 13 hours ago

What? I read about this quite a while ago. It was bogus? Did they not think it
would be discovered? Wow.

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[–]DFVSUPERFANTrump Conservative 1 point 7 hours ago

Wow you mean libs told 100% lies with 0 basis in reality in order to push a
narrative and are totally shameless about it, won't apologize or admit they were
wrong/made it up? This is a total departure from how they operate on EVERY OTHER
ISSUE, lol.

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[–]MrQaseemCanadian Conservative 0 points 10 hours ago

I kept asking this to people, but Canada is far too liberal to ask this questions
-- You're pelted as a racist. When this first started to break out, I had assumed
the government, on behalf of the Indigenous tribes, would get to work on
excavating. Maybe some families would get some closure or confirmations.

But to no surprise, here we are, being told to take a grain of sand as absolute
truth, and if you speak out...you're the enemy.

What ever happened to the good old days when everybody was suspicious of
government? How did we go from that, to a populace that trusts them 100%?

Unfortunate.

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[–]AceOfSpades70Libertarian Conservative 1 point 6 hours ago

Liberals making up a reason to hate the Catholic Church? What next? Will a Senator
try to disqualify a Catholic from SCOTUS by saying the dogma lives within them?
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[–]Wolferesque 1 point 1 hour ago

Garbage article that is grasping at straws.

Thousands of Indigenous children went missing at residential schools across Canada

in the 20th century. This article seems to suggest that they were all neatly buried
in graves whose markings have worn away, which is a speculation that completely
contradicts witness testimony from survivors of the residential school system as
well as decades of quiet investigation, geographical analysis and, well, common
sense. It is physically not possible to account for those graves - mass burial is
the most likely thing here. With the amount of evidence to the contrary, arguing
against it is akin to Holocaust denial.

The article also undermines the absolutely critical understanding that burial
grounds are considered sacred by the First Nations people upon whose land these
sites exist. There is very little will to go in and start tearing up the ground.

The Canadian federal government would not willingly give $40bn over to relatives of
those survivors were they not certain that there were atrocities committed for
which they must make some form of compensation and amends.

And the Catholic Church would not deliberately obstruct records and defer their
partaking in the investigations, were they certain those atrocities had nothing to
do with them.

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[–]promenthenhalsumus 1 point 9 hours ago

Never let a good hysteria go to waste!

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[–]AmericanJoe312Benjamin Disraeli 1 point 8 hours ago

What's going on with this government / media created witch hunts?

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[–]3030Taftian 1 point 8 hours ago

I read a similar thing out of Germany concerning soil samples. I don't know if we
can discuss that on Reddit, though.

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[–]glitcherette 1 point 6 hours ago

This comes down to poor methodology. GPR should not have been used for this
purpose, and certainly not to use some death toll # count estimation across the
country.

There is no doubt that atrocities were committed, the children never should have
been taken in the first place. It should be noted though that these GPR studies
cancelled Canada day. Never forget that. China criticized CANADA after these
studies hit the news, despite the fact that they are actively committing genocide
today against the Uighurs.

This should be a good example as well of the average persons ability to: - hop on
the band wagon - hate our own country - presume guilt and wrongdoing before proof
is provided and - believe whatever we see in mainstream media. Particularly to
believe a structured narrative.

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[–]SkybridgeXCanadian Conservative 1 point 5 hours ago

Canadian here, we saw about 50 churches burned to the ground in response to this
fabricated story. Our Prime Minister had very little to say about any of them, but
made a big show of it when someone spray painted a swastikas on a mosque.

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[–]Singlemoney123 1 point 2 hours ago

The media are insurrectionists

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