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03-12-2009, 12:49 PM #1
exzealot XB-70 Valkyrie Design & Build

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Location: Lake Orion, MI I am starting a thread to begin discussing my "more than likely" next project. The X15 paper model project was such a success, and quite frankly, the outcome surprised me -
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even my wife has accepted my addiction, long hours under a lamp, and bed-head until 3:00 pm on Saturday!
The X-15 used to sit directly underneath the 1 remaining Valkyrie at the Air Force Museum in Dayton. If you ever get a chance to visit the AFM, I would highly recommend it. The
Valkyrie sits in the modern flight gallery, and it literaly dominates the hangar. Pictures do not reflect its sheer size - even the B52 that sits in front of it seems to be dwarfed by
this aircraft.
The first order of business is to determine the appropriate scale. This needs to be the first decision since the internal structure is dictated by this. Here are my initial thoughts on
scale: Feel free to make suggestions...
1. 1/32 scale is out of the question - the length would be approx 6 feet long!
2. 1/48 is possible, however, it is about as practical as half a boat hull.. it would be about 4 feet in length. You could hang it over your bed and stare at it.
3. 1/72 seems ideal and there are some simple plastic versions in this scale. This would be about 32 inches long - but you still need a sizable shelf to show it off - BUT, it would be
well worth the shelf space.
4. 1/96th scale is another possibility. it would be appx 2 feet long, practical and nice.
So, let's hear your opinion on this..... Keep in mind that the level of detail will match that of the X-15 if you are familiar with that.
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03-12-2009, 01:30 PM #2
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I would say 1/100 to go with many of the airliners and the like, but if you are doing a flight deck i would think tha you couldnt go any smaller than 1/72.
I seem to remember something about using the XB-70 as a mothership for the x-15, but there were concerns about seperation at Mach 3.
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03-12-2009, 01:42 PM #3
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1. 1/32 scale is out of the question - the length would be approx 6 feet long!
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Ken, I'll choose door#1. I think GPM's B52's wing span is 6 feet long, and if a child holds it in his hands, (in that famous picture...),
I'd like to have my picture next to an XB-70, seating on its 6 afterburners and I have a lot of ceiling space...
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03-12-2009, 02:05 PM #4
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Ken, I'll choose door#1. I think GPM's B52's wing span is 6 feet long, and if a child holds it in his hands, (in that famous picture...),
I'd like to have my picture next to an XB-70, seating on its 6 afterburners and I have a lot of ceiling space...
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Yeah, i would like that scale too. I would guess it would be somewhere around 50 pages of parts, many of them just blank pages for wing panels
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here we go. Delta Wing X-15 with XB-70 mothership
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03-12-2009, 02:35 PM #6
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Well personally for practicality 1/72 would do just fine! But for the sheer WOW factor you can't go wrong with 1/33!
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03-12-2009, 03:27 PM #7
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I personally feel that you should keep it in the 1/100 area, just because of it's sheer size. This would keep the file size down, the page count down, and make it a realistic size for
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Can't wait (but guess I will)
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03-12-2009, 05:17 PM #8
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From my point of view, 1/72 is the minimum. Whoever wants it in 1/100 may use the scale function of the respective printer. AFAIK are there not so many details that they could
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Nevertheless, 1/32 (or 1/33) would be greeeeeaaat!
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03-12-2009, 05:18 PM #9
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Hi Ken, I vote for 1/72 also. I have the AMT 1/72 Plastic model, that I never did build, kind of glad I didn't, as it's getting worth more each year.
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03-12-2009, 05:24 PM #10
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I vote 1/48.
This scale could easily be reduced by the modeler to 1/96 or 1/100.

It could also be scaled up to 1/32 with only a little loss of quality (unless, it's vector), the a huge YIPPEEEEEEE!
03-12-2009, 06:32 PM #11
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Another XB 70, is there some sort of anniversary or a conspiracy going on or is it cognitive resonance?
I vote BIG but 1:48 is big enough!
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03-12-2009, 06:50 PM #12
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Many , many years ago I visited the above mentioned AF Museum. I was able to see the XB-70 while there, though the aircraft was parked outside at the time. I also remember
something else, a kit I bought of this bird, 1/72, and you guessed it, made of paper. I have no idea what happened to that kit, I do however remember how detailed it was and I
would like a chance to build again, but my vote is for 1/33 or even better, 1/48. This is a massive aircraft and I think the model should be too. Just my 2 cents worth. No matter,
I know if Ken designs, it will be a beauty .
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03-12-2009, 07:12 PM #13
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I think the old kit may have been the Meta one that PMI used to sell. I'd be happy with the 1/72. I also think the delta wing X-15 would be a terrific add-on, but it could be a bit
more simplified than the X-15 you've already designed. Aren't you glad you asked for everyone's opinion? :>)
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03-12-2009, 09:47 PM #14
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I would vote for either 1/96th or 1/144th....
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03-12-2009, 11:23 PM #15
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1/48 would be absolutely awesome!
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03-13-2009, 12:06 AM #16
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When I was in the scouts we were taken on a campout and tour of Edwards AFB. All of us got very quiet when they took us into the B-70 hanger. About all you could hear was
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Posts: 95 So I would vote for BIG ! 1/32 maybe to big, but 1/48 would be killer hanging above the 1/48 VAB I want to build. The 1/72 plastic B-70 is very impressive also. And a B-70/X-15
launcher has always been a dream kit of mine.
Whatever is chosen I will happily buy and build.
03-13-2009, 07:04 AM #17
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I have build the Meta-model ( it must be the one pappastumpy is talking about)
It is in 1:96 Although it's not bad for a 29 year old hand-drawn model, on that scale there is no room for details.
I would go for the 1:48, scaling up is always more difficult than down ( my 0,02$) BTW if you enlarge a A4 1:48 model to fit A3 you end up with a 1:33 scale
Ken, if you want it for reference PM me
Here are some pics
And some nice reference-sites;http://www.thexhunters.com/
http://xb70.interceptor.com/
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Location: Lake Orion, MI Thanks for the offer, but all of the prior offerings that I am aware of will be of little use to this project since my plan is to design detail not previously seen in either paper or
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plastic. Your model does look great though for its age!
Lancer525 (I think that is the callsign) sent me some 3d data, but unfortunately it has no detail, landing gear wells, bomb bays etc; just the outside skin - and that isn't very
accurate either. This is truly a scratch design, so as the design progresses, if anyone has photos or information that I can incorporate into the model, please send it to me. The
more information I have, the better the model will be.
I ordered some books on the Valkyrie and they should be at my door in a day or two.
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03-13-2009, 10:17 AM #19
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Hi Ken,
I vote for a large 1:48 scale version. I agree with many of the above posts - down-scaling is always simpler to perform than up-scaling. Furthermore, if there is to be ample
detailing (cockpit, landing gear, etc), I imagine that that is easier to do (and build) in a somewhat larger scale.
If 1:48 is too large, 1:72 is also a very good model scale.

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Best of luck with the design plans,
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Ken, check the 3rd link in my last post there are some 3d plans there
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03-13-2009, 10:44 AM #21
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Thanks Billy!
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03-13-2009, 11:41 AM #22
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Here's another one; it's in French, but the download PDF has a detailed 3way view and lots of pictures
http://www.xb70.free.fr/index.html
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Not that the survey is over, but here is how the scale poll is looking (from smaller to larger):
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1/96 1
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So far, it appears that 1/48 will be it. It will allow for nice detail.
For those who want a smaller version (including me), I could perhaps scale it down and develop the appropriate structure for it - it would not take much effort.
Thanks everyone for the input ( and Billy L. for the awesome data).
As soon as I finish the Panther, I'll jump right in.
Start saving your breakfast food boxes - all my models use this material (.02" cardboard), and I have a feeling we will be using lots of it!
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03-13-2009, 12:56 PM #24
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I'm in at 1/72, which means I can reduce by 50% to get my chosen scale! See, I can compromise!
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03-13-2009, 01:13 PM #25
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Adama 1-33 would be impressive for any aircraft, especially the Xb-70. Billy I think it is a great build detail or not. Sometime the simpler kits bring the best out in builders. Great work.
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03-13-2009, 01:44 PM #26
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Hmm I can shelve the lil model I did then, especially if Ken is on the case of this one, no way I can compete with his skills
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03-13-2009, 02:26 PM #27
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Start saving your breakfast food boxes - all my models use this material (.02" cardboard), and I have a feeling we will be using lots of it!
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Look at the bright side; we won't be needing as much black ink as we needed for the X-15
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Quote:
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Thanks for the offer, but all of the prior offerings that I am aware of will be of little use to this project since my plan is to design detail not previously seen in either paper or
plastic. Your model does look great though for its age!
Lancer525 (I think that is the callsign) sent me some 3d data, but unfortunately it has no detail, landing gear wells, bomb bays etc; just the outside skin - and that isn't
very accurate either. This is truly a scratch design, so as the design progresses, if anyone has photos or information that I can incorporate into the model, please send it to
me. The more information I have, the better the model will be.
I ordered some books on the Valkyrie and they should be at my door in a day or two.
Ken
Ken, If you really want to make a version not seen before, base yours on AV/2, the plane that was lost in the midair with Joe Walker's Starfighter. It had slightly different
markings, and a 5 degree dihedral that AV/1 lacked. Since it was a better performer also, I'd base the X-15 Delta launcher on it as well, if you do one.
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03-13-2009, 03:42 PM #29
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Thanks billy, cheers for the french site link too, some nice images on there.
I'd go for 1/72nd or 1/48th.
I used the same 3 view for my model.

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I forgot to add this note earlier. Go here; http://www.internetmodeler.com/artma...e_Modelers.php and scroll down to the pictures near the bottom for someone's idea for a
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03-13-2009, 08:30 PM #31
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Well, I had no idea that the suggestion of working up this aircraft as a model would create such a huge amount of interest!
Put me down for "Larger the better" in terms of scale, as I am currently building some very large scale models myself. 1/4 Mercury capsule (Yes, you read that right) a 1/12
Apollo LM, and a 1/24 ME-262. So, I go in for the really big ones.
If I could make one suggestion to Ken, it would be to design wingtips that could be built at all three position configurations. 0-degree, 25-degree, and 65-degree down. Also, (and
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but I'd rather not do anything with it to take away from Ken's planned Valkyrie.
I can say right now that I will build this model at the largest scale I can comfortably get away with. My personal preference is 1/32, but I will be thrilled out of my gourd to have it
in 1/48. I plan to build what I would consider to be "production version" with a silver skin a la B-58. As you know, they had serious skin heating issues, and never really painted
the full Hustler because it burned the paint off. Many ground crew members got to the point where they could tell the pilots how fast they'd gone, by just looking at the burned
paint. So, silver skin would be the way to go, with add-on markings.
I am so excited by this that I can't begin to contain myself!

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03-13-2009, 09:31 PM #32
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Lancer525,
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Let's put it this way: If any of you send me ANY information in the form of details anywhere on this aircraft, I will model it!
As a side note: I hope that people realize that I encourage criticism and suggestions and pointing out innaccuracies. A few people did just that on the X-15 project, and it
definitely resulted in a better model. (Thank You David and Billy)
I can't wait to get started myself! But the Panther must get finished first.
Ken
03-14-2009, 03:58 AM #33

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If you go big you might want this
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This can be usefull;
http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/ho...?Page=1:thumb:
This one is just for fun;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfh-lV_jhzk
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If you want to go all the way you should get one of these;
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Ken,
Thanks for committing to finishing the Panther. I just ordered the Cougar.
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03-14-2009, 12:49 PM #36
1:48 Scale XB-70 Valkyrie Model

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Ken,
This is truly an amazing model project - it will be very interesting to follow.
I realize now why a 1:32 scale model might be just a little a bit too big:
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However, a 1:48 scale model would be very nice, with detailed engine intakes and outlets, ailerons and flaps, hinged supersonic wing tips, a supersonic canopy screen, a cockpit
interior with ejection seats (and pods), landing gear and wheel wells, etc, etc . . . what a dream model!
Thanks for the amazingly detailed X-15 model, by the way,

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03-14-2009, 01:31 PM #37
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If you design the model in 1/48 it would be great if you'd make the parts small enough to make a scale-up to 1/32 (or 1/33) possible and allow a re-arrangment of the single
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03-14-2009, 02:26 PM #38
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If he drafted it out at 1/32 it would be an easier reduction to make than it would be to re-arrange all the parts...
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03-14-2009, 04:44 PM #39
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One of the reasons I started card modeling was for the unique non-aircraft subjects and the large scales available for aircraft. I have to agree that a 1/32 scale version would be
too big and largely pointless; it it's that big, it should do more than just sit on a shelf, perhaps fly.
I think 1/48 is a nice compromise because it's big enough to warrant the effort and fits nicely with a wide range of similarly scaled models.
Knowing nothing about the design process, is it that much of a design issue to scale it up or down once the design is done?
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03-14-2009, 10:30 PM #40
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Major Davenport:
I respectfully have to disagree with you that a large-scale model is "pointless"
In fact, I'm offended by your comment.
The responses I've garnered from the larger models I have built in the past is indication to me that people who are not modelers are generally impressed by both the size, and
the detail that large scale allows, to the point that they often enter the hobby themselves. Two of the people with whom I work are now beginning card modelers, largely on the
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It is not difficult to rescale models, provided you have the right math skills, access to a printer that allows you to print to scales, or a copier that enlarges/reduces to percentages.
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To all,
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Location: Lake Orion, MI I think this thread served its purpose; to find out the appropriate scale for the Valkyrie. Happily, there is a conclusion here, but it's not readily apparent.
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Obviously, there are people who have a passion to build small - there is a real challenge to that, and some people like a challenge (I should know). There is also the element of
"What do I do with this damn thing once I am done with it". Some people want to stay married. Hanging a 6 to 7 foot long bomber above the fireplace is not my wife's idea of
creative decorating. (moose-heads in any form is not allowed in my wife's house, but the basement is MINE!)
But some people like to build as big as possible. You have to admit that when you see a large scale replica of anything sitting in a museum, you can't help but to stare at it and
even check out the detail.
So, what is the conclusion here?? First, let's talk about the process of re-scaling just for the purposes of understanding...
I design my models in vector; which means that if you scale the model up or down, the accuracy is held. However, this only works for the outer skin. The inner structure is offset
inboard to the thickness of the outer skin that will be used. In this case, .007 inch paper is used. So if I design the model in 1/48 scale, the inside bulkeads would be offset from
the skin .007. THEN, if I wanted to scale the model up to 1/32, the outside skin is easy, just scale up 1.5 times. But if the bulkheads are scaled up 1.5 times, they will be slightly
too small. When scaling down, they become too big.
See the next posting for my decision.
Ken
03-15-2009, 09:32 AM #42
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If you haven't read the previous posting, please do. It is an attempt to explain how scaling up or down is not really that straight forward.
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Since this model will take considerable time to develop, and to collect the required information (and trips to Dayton), I think the model deserves a multiple scale approach. It
would be a shame to offer a large scale version of a terrific model, but leave out a large number of people wanting it, but want to stay married as well.
So, I will be designing the "base" model as a 1/48 scale. This will allow me to design adequate detail. After that is complete, it is only a matter of a couple of weeks to rescale to
1/144 or 1/100 scale and remove the non-viable detail. Scaling up to 1/32 is no problem either - same process.
That's the beauty of paper! You don't have to invest in tooling as in plastic kits - why not offer 3 scales!!!
Now let the insanity begin!
Ken
03-15-2009, 10:20 AM #43
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Ken,
You've provided a very diplomatic and intelligent approach to this issue. Thanks for your understanding and flexibility.
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03-15-2009, 10:34 AM #44
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We're in the presence of sheer greatness...
Well said, Ken!

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03-15-2009, 11:07 AM #45
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When I walked into the main hanger at the USAF Museum at W-P, I could only stand and stare for many minutes underneath the Valkyrie. It is truly one of the most awe
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You are in Michigan right? It's just down the road from you. I'll bet that the museum curator "might" give you an inside look at the bird if you ask nicely in advance and have
some high-def camera equipment. Maybe a book is in order too...
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03-15-2009, 11:58 AM #46
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we all eagerly await this one! Also, I just got permission to hang the 1/32 on the ceiling in our home office. I had to let her go to San Diego this week in excange, but I think it is
worth it. Maybe I should start working on my Hobby Model 1/33 B1 to go next to the XB-70 in the meantime.
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pictures and illustrations. The only thing it lacks are 2d plan drawings, but thanks to Billy L, we have that covered too!
Due to the sheer size of this model (1/4 , I think it would be important to put the size in perspective so that the model is not out of place sitting next to other 1/48 aircraft. I am
thinking of a simple diorama consisting of the entrance gantry (stairs), and a couple of flight technicians standing on it. The entrance door would be open.
Maybe someone out there who is interested in vehicles can design a ground support vehicle or perhaps a refueler hooked up!
Just dreaming, but anything is possible!
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Great Subject - I had the plastic XB-70 when I was a kid, and probably tube-glued it to death ) I think 1/48 would be best for detail, theres getting to be more space launch
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XB-70 'Valkyrie' 1:48 Scale Model Design
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I really like this approach, Ken!
It seems you will leave no stone un-turned on this one. An entrance gantry and an airplane technician or two is an excellent idea - that will really give you the scale of this beast.
Furthermore, it shouldn´t be too difficult to find a ground service or refueling truck in 1:48 scale - there are loads of vehicles in the paper model sites and converting from 1:33
down to 1:48 is easy.
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Here is one example of an 'articulated lorry' in 1:43 scale from Schreiber-Bogen in Germany (a Thomas Pleiner design!), that could be used as a base for a refueling truck:
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I had a very nice walk this weekend, by the way, to a lake which is nearby where I live. There were some cranes there (big birds, that is) and it struck me that their beaks in
profile look exactly like the 'nose' of the Valkyrie. I wonder were the aircraft designer got his inspiration? . . regardless, it is a design wonder - a forerunner to the Concorde or
Tu-144 SSTs.
Looking forward to hearing/seeing more of the model development.

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03-17-2009, 03:31 PM #50
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Ken.
I was looking at another thread, in the Real Space section, here: http://www.zealot.com/forum/showthre...=159848&page=4
and I found this photo of the instructions for a NASA (Apollo 13) tow truck, posted by our member YuG, showing a model that already IS in 1:48 scale:
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Here´s a link to the model home page - the major problem, however, seems to be how to order these detailed Japanese models: http://www.tvc-15.com/apollonia
/ap13_splash.html
That tow truck might fit in nicely under the nose of the Valkyrie, in front of the nose landing gear?
Best regards,
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Bengt:
I was thinking along the exact same lines, but you beat me to it!
Those are, if I am seeing them correctly, Navy Carrier-based tow vehicles. So, doing them in the late 1950's or early 1960's Air Force paint schemes would have them in dark
blue with white and grey markings.
Although I suspect that Ken would probably want something like a '63 Dodge half-ton which is one of the support vehicles they used. I saw an old photo (been looking for it for
over an hour) of a bunch of support vehicles around a Valkyrie.
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Here's what Tony Landis did after he finished his book
http://www.edwardsflighttest.com/b70.html
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I've been looking for a long time for vehicules for a diorama, but it seems there's not that much around, Rob Carleen did some service vehicules, Bruce Clemens did a very nice
tow-truck,( it's in the download-section) there are some jeeps here;http://dgapapermodels.com/catalog/in...r9pu7cls0bjti1
But it would be nice to have a Dodge 6x6 petrol truck or fire truck
here is are some pics of the XB 70 with a lot of stuff around it, as far as I know there is not one of them around as a papermodel
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I've been looking for a long time for vehicules for a diorama, but it seems there's not that much around, Rob Carleen did some service vehicules, Bruce Clemens did a very
nice tow-truck,( it's in the download-section) there are some jeeps here;http://dgapapermodels.com/catalog/in...r9pu7cls0bjti1
But it would be nice to have a Dodge 6x6 petrol truck or fire truck
here is are some pics of the XB 70 with a lot of stuff around it, as far as I know there is not one of them around as a papermodel
It's incredible how futuristic the XB STILL looks, even more so with the old fashion cars and trucks near it.
Looks like the pictures could have been scenes in "The Final Countdown".
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Well,
I realize now that this might be in fact a bit trickier than I first thought - I guess you have to think in lines of 'American Graffiti', or at least American late 50s types of Ford,
Dodge or Chevy buses, trucks or cars, with those big, rounded roofs and fenders. Perhaps you have to find card model designers who are especially passionate about this era of
vehicles.
I checked with Moduni, Betexa and Halinski - nothing there, just a modern Hummer and mainly Russian and Polish military WW II vehicles.
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How about a 'Hot Rod' visiting? http://ecardmodels.com/shop/product_...roducts_id=283
The search goes on . . .
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Billy,
Those Landis drawings are great! I really dig the 'Air Force One' version or the XB-70 space shuttle carrier.
Thanks for sharing,

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Ken,
Do you remember Greg´s/GEEDUBBYA´s thread ? http://www.zealot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138272
A nice 'warm-up' while we´re waiting . . .
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Billy and Ken,
It would be nice to build one XB-70 model with THIS kind of supersonic-heated wheathering:
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Ken,
I think that an XB-70 diorama should definitely include the red desert sand in the overview photo in Billy´s post above, perhaps also part of the tarmac runway or a taxi side
track. That would be really realistic and would bring out the little diorama painter or sandman in all of us . . .
To those who are considering a re-scale of the forthcoming XB-70 model - I found this Excel conversion table, where model scale re-sizings are transferred to percentages (pretty
neat) - so, if you need a 1:32 scale model, 150% is what you need for the printer:
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It's incredible how futuristic the XB STILL looks, even more so with the old fashion cars and trucks near it.
Looks like the pictures could have been scenes in "The Final Countdown".
That would involve a carrier-based variation of the XB 70

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I'd like to see the carrier that could handle the Valkyrie...
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Every aircraft is capable of landing on a carrier...once...<g>
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Taking a clooser look at the cars in the picture's I posted, to me they all look like Fords; Fairlaine or Galaxy even the dark truck is a Ford, not shure about the pick-up, that could
be a Chevy ( maybe the airforce had a deal with the local Ford dealer) There is some other strange thing about the pictures, the cars and trucks are almost in the same place, but
suddenly there is a small building in between...
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That would involve a carrier-based variation of the XB 70
Well, speaking fancifully, the XB-70 had a 105' wingspan, only a foot longer than the U-2, which took off and landed on a carrier in trials. And the XB-70's 'span is a lot shorter
than the 132' wingspan of the C-130, which also participated in carrier trials.
Join Date: Mar 2004 Then again, I don't think the XB-70 had quite the short-field capability of the C-130 or U-2. As for landing on a carrier, you're gonna need one HUGE tailhook....
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(Although now that I mention this, I seem to remember a fictional short story in "Boy's Life" magazine back in the early '60s involving the crew of a B-70 that had an in-flight
emergency and had to land on a rural highway or something like that. I want to remember the illustration accompanying the story showing the B-70 hurtling down the road,
knocking over corn stalks or road signs with its wings, although I don't know any corn stalks or road signs that are quite that high....)
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Hey, I found a 1/33 tractor tug at http://www.avantcard.biz/paper_models
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(Although now that I mention this, I seem to remember a fictional short story in "Boy's Life" magazine back in the early '60s involving the crew of a B-70 that had an
in-flight emergency and had to land on a rural highway or something like that. I want to remember the illustration accompanying the story showing the B-70 hurtling down
the road, knocking over corn stalks or road signs with its wings, although I don't know any corn stalks or road signs that are quite that high....)
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Every aircraft is capable of landing on a carrier...once...<g>
Exactly - you land land anywhere - the trick is to be able to take off again.....!
Still, on the thread topic, I'm in for a 1/48 XB-70, more so if it can be scaled up to 1/32....
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So where do i order one of these?
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So where do i order one of these?
There's a long waiting list. have a seat
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Ken,
I found this photo of an XB-70 scale model in my archive - it was taken at an IPMS meet here in Stockholm a couple of years ago and I think the model was in 1:72 scale (it is a
pl-ic model, by the way):
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Following the Bengt's post, I did a simple Excel sheet with the general dimensions i took from Wikipedia and the scaled dimensions, both in inches and meters. (I added the 1:480
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Carolina. THAT'S what I'm talking about...
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Who couldn't love a model that is almost six feet long?
Sheesh, this thing's going to be longer than I am tall when I'm finished with it!
YAY!
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baseline, then tweaked them until they looked very close to pictures of the real thing. The geometry in this section is very complicated to say the least, but it is a start.
My initial design that you see in Pepakura shows the windshield and nose ramp in the sub-sonic configuration. The Dryden photo shows the supersonic configuration. The model
will have BOTH.
The wing is complicated as well...
Stay tuned.
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let the drooling commence....
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Commence?
I've already been drooling for weeks!
Way to go, Ken!!

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The first (and easiest) stage of the project is complete... transcribing from drawings into CAD to establish the basic shape. Big Bird was modeled at full scale of the real thing.
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Great Jumpin' Jehosephat!
I swear, that airplane gets more and more beautiful every time I see her!
Ken, if we ever get the chance to meet, The first, second, and third rounds are on me.... If we're able to stand after that, you're on your own...
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Heres what 1/25 scale looks like!
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Yikes, Mike,
That is a massive one! Is it a radio-controlled flying model? For a card model, 1:48 (or downscaled 1:72) will do nicely.
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I like the idea of 1:33, but will be overjoyed if it's at least 1:48.
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Yep... What's not to love about that giant aircraft?
Mike, I like!
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So far, there are 11 sheets of parts for the internal wing structure. The folding wingtips will be separate and can be installed in 3 positions.
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OMG... That is just soooooo cool.
I just can't wait. I'm getting the paper lined up, the commercial printer to do the output at the right scale, and setting aside space in the workroom to handle it all.
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Ken,
I was thinking - what would you think would be appropriate for the 'skin' of the model? Perhaps glossy or satin white photo paper? Matte paper just wouldn´t be good enough for
this one.
It´s exciting to watch the model 'grow', by the way - thanks for the photo updates!
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Ken,
I was thinking - what would you think would be appropriate for the 'skin' of the model? Perhaps glossy or satin white photo paper? Matte paper just wouldn´t be good
enough for this one.
It´s exciting to watch the model 'grow', by the way - thanks for the photo updates!
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If I can pipe in, my suggested would be a type of paper that my local print shop calls "cast coated text." I think that's what they call it, anyway. It is a type of paper used for
brochures, and it is glossy, takes glue well and I've used it on a number of projects.
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Great suggestion, David,
Is that the paper you have used for your new Ares 1 model? Looks really good.
And, I suppose it is not as expensive as photo paper either?
Do you have a brand name on this paper? I just have to look for something similar over here in Sweden.
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03-29-2009, 09:06 AM #87
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Hello Bengt, I have been using this for almost all of my digital models;
Letraset Inkjet Matt Card 170gsm double sided
I buy it at my local art-surpliesstore, but it comes from here;
http://www.letraset.com/craft/shopdi...apers+and+Card
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Location: Lake Orion, MI I'm currently working on the wing structure. The trick is to design it so that it is flexible fore-and-aft, but stiff side-to-side. This is so that it will conform to the lower and upper
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fuselage and fit without gaps.
Picture 1 - Just like the real aircraft, the model requires special materials (not really). I like to use construction grade contact cement. I pour the cement into an empty bottle
with a brush attached to the lid - saves on brushes. Also, the cement does not warp the panels - very important for this bird.
Picture 2 - The upper panels and ribs laid out.
Picture 3 - The ribs glued in place under the upper panels. Kind of looks like a skeleton of a prehistoric animal.
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Great suggestion, David,
Is that the paper you have used for your new Ares 1 model? Looks really good.
And, I suppose it is not as expensive as photo paper either?
Do you have a brand name on this paper? I just have to look for something similar over here in Sweden.
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I'll check to see if it's got a brand name. It's not that expensive; it costs about the same as "normal" paper, but I'll see what I can find out. And yes, that's the paper I used on the
SRB of the Ares I and on the Atlantis stack SRBs.
03-29-2009, 06:21 PM #90
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Thanks for the heads up, Billy,
I think I will order a box of A3 glossy ink jet papers from Letraset and try it out for myself. Letraset is a very well-known brand among us advertising and graphical designers.
And thanks, David,

It would be really interesting to know where it comes from - I think it has just the right 'glossy but not too glossy' look of metal panels that have been spray painted and then
exposed to the weather.
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Progress on the inner structure (blue paper).
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Location: Lake Orion, MI The fit is pretty good for a first pass at this. This is just a mock up for shape verification, so no cutouts for engines/intakes etc.
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This thing is HUGE! The pop can is for reference.
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Sheer designing & modeling talent at work!
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Holy. Moley.
That thing will be huge....
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Amazing!
Join Date: Jun 2008 I really like your determination on this project. I read alot of posts that talk about designing a subject, and 3 years later it's still in the design stage.
Location: Seattle
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an incredible build, thanks!
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Building an aircraftcarrier?
What happened with the Valkyrie?
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03-30-2009, 03:12 AM #97
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I would like to see the arresting cable/hook that could handle the B-70.
Join Date: Feb 2007 Also a Darkstar version would be fun. Darkstar is/was the B-70ish mothership for the TSTO rocket plane that may or may not have been built using the NASP as cover.
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Great progress.
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Big? Sure. But better for someone to scale down rather than up!
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Tonight, I worked on the engine intake. The arrowhead-shaped piece of paper is a mid-course correction to the design. Basically, I need a surface to glue the outer skin to so that
Join Date: Jul 2007 I don't get the starving-cow appearance. This piece of paper will actually become part of the lower wing plate in the production version. Don't worry about the wavy shapes and
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Next: I need to place bulkeads between the upper and lower wingplates to stabilize the shape and take the undulations out. The wing had to remain flexible until the lower
fuselage was glued to the underside of the wing; thus establishing the side-view profile.
I NEED A BIGGER TABLE!
Enjoy!
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Damn Ken that thing is gonna be a beast! Add another model to the list I gotta buy and build!
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03-31-2009, 12:19 AM #101
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Man! You can do a model design faster than I can do a measly re-color!
I'm jealous!
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I'm just speechless...
Totally speechless.
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The Nightly News:
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The next picture shows the first outer wing surface attached.
The last 3 pictures show the part of the upper fuselage that makes the transformation from a circle in the front to a squared-off bottom at the rear.
I don't know why I just don't wait for warmer weather and build a full-scale mockup in my back yard. I can always scale it down! Oh, the Humanity! This is NUTS!
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Ken, it's hard to judge from the photos, but at which scale are you building the test article?
Please tell me this is the 1/32.

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It's 1/48. It will be about 4 feet long. At 1/32, you will be roughly 6 feet long, but you can still get it through a door. You may have to find a 4x8 sheet of plywood and a set of
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03-31-2009, 10:11 PM #107
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Interesting...
And my worktable is almost exactly that. It's a 6' x 3' piece of 5/8" plywood mounted on a pair of standard folding-table legs. It appears that I'm going to need every bloomin inch
of the thing.
The 1/4 Mercury I'm still working on isn't taking up as much room as the Valkyrie will!
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I think you're gonna need a work table the size of Edwards AFB just to build the model....
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Outstanding work. One thing i learned in my brief foray into Model railroading...Closet doors work great as work benchs and layouts and cost about the same as 5/8ths ply but
Join Date: Apr 2007 are sturdier and lighter. Found a way to mount it on the wall with hinges. Something related to building big aircraft models i guess?
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Outstanding work. One thing i learned in my brief foray into Model railroading...Closet doors work great as work benchs and cost about the same as 5/8ths ply but are
sturdier and lighter. Found a way to mount it on the wall with hinges. Something related to building big aircraft models i guess?
That's a GREAT idea! I can see it now... Hinge that thing to the wall, and wham! more workspace. Fold it right up, and now it's out of the way.
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Maybe the next worktable...
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Not too much to show tonight. The next section of the upper fuselage has been attached to the upper wing plate.
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the wall. This idea was meant to cover the expected gap. The gap however was not as bad as anticipated, but I am not going to change the design plan because future builders
(not as familiar with the model as I am), will no doubt end up with a gap. The upper wing skin will cover that. You will see this in the next few postings.
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Your round fuselage sections -- whether it be on the X-15, the Cougar, the Panther or now the XB-70 -- always looks so clean and precise....
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04-01-2009, 11:54 PM #113
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David:
When I was doing up the Jupiters for the DIRECT/NASA meeting, I was thinking exactly the same thing about your Shuttle build.
I had the damnedst time getting the SRBs to round out properly, because of their length and the seam being longitudinal. I think Ken's approach of doing them as smaller
segments is brilliant~!
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With a model this big, you have no choice but to cut the thing up into smaller pieces; just so you can print them out.
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As I plan the future work on the Valkyrie, I can't help wondering how I can design a nice cockpit and provide a means to show it. My first thought is to design the model without
it, but then provide an "open cockpit model that can sit beside/underneath the larger model. Just a thought....
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Hi Ken,
I see your problem. There is no obvious top hatch on this one, like there is on the X-15.
Is there a way to make some kind of invisible 'lid' or top over the cockpit, including the windows and cockpit roof, that could be easily slid down in place? It could be really nice, if
it is at all possible, to lift a part off and expose the cockpit interior, with the seats and controls.
Do whatever you think is best, construction-wise. Obviously, it shouldn´t fall apart by itself, when on display. I can imagine this model will be rather heavy, with all the thick
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Thanks for sharing the interesting photos of the work in progress,
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04-02-2009, 12:17 PM #116
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As I plan the future work on the Valkyrie, I can't help wondering how I can design a nice cockpit and provide a means to show it. My first thought is to design the model
without it, but then provide an "open cockpit model that can sit beside/underneath the larger model. Just a thought....
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No problem with cockpit details. We always can use tranparent foil as

cockpit walls
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thing I would have gone with it - no way could it be any more work that this thing) - I have all the cockpit parts but it only has teeny windows so I was looking at building one of
the fuselage sides in transparent plastic to show off the cockpit detail. The other option was to build the cockpit as a separate display but I felt this might be setting myself up for
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Not a bad idea in fact. I've often seen aircraft on display in a museum which have had panels replaced with plexiglass to give a view of internal workings.
Rick
It is more than possible to vacuum mold a clear section of fuselage to fit the side of the model, that will adequately display the cockpit. Although it is also possible to do a cutaway
version, as if some of the skin were removed and replaced with cellophane, or polystyrene vacuum molded to fit.
This is a very interesting thought..

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04-02-2009, 06:44 PM #121
Nando something similar ...

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... I saw something similar somewhere .... sometime ....
Fantastic build Ken.

Every morning I have an appointment with You and Your progresses.
Don't disappoint me, please. keep it up....
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The project continues.....
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The remaining pictures will give you an idea of how the wings are shaped. They will firm up and take their permanent shape once the lower skin is attached from underneath.
This model is surprisingly lightweight so far...
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The weekend is here!
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Valkyrie too. I estimate the size of the model she is holding to be somewhere around 1/32.
The wing is coming together pretty good at this point, and I haven't even glued the lower skin yet.
You can see the forward fuselage being added. Don't be too critical of the slop fest here; this is only a shape verification model, and Pepakura does not like to unfold "S" shape
surfaces, so a little adjustment needs to be made for a perfect fit.
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More pictures..
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landed configuration.
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04-03-2009, 10:35 PM #126
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Oh.
My..
God...
That thing is glorious! I keep saying it, just because I am speechless!

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Hear, hear,
I join in the chorus of praise - this really is something else. What a model!
The elegant, sweeping lines of the fuselage are apparent now. This thread is exciting to follow, day by day. Thanks, Ken, for posting all these interesting assembly photos.
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04-04-2009, 09:11 AM #128
Valkyrie Model Holding a Valkyrie Model

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Hi Ken,
I really loved that Wagnerian 'model holding a model' photo - I tried my hand at
cleaning it up a bit in Photoshop and this is what I came up with:
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Great photo - I dedicate the re-color to your wife!

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... it seems that the swan is stretching its neck to stand up in the air ...
... it's pure poetry
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I wonder if I could talk my wife into attempting to re-create that photo after I finish my build...
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04-04-2009, 03:30 PM #131
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It's beginning to look like a Valkyrie!
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The last picture shows a pop can for scale.
HUGE!
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Outstanding work! What weight of card are you useing...Dont see hardly any sag between bulkheads/ribs!
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04-04-2009, 08:08 PM #133
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Here are pictures of the fins and rudders. The builder can position the rudders if desired. The 20001 is the wrong font, but I wanted to put something there as a placeholder....
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OhioMike - all my models use 110 lb paper.
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Here are the canards....
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Christmas. She used to sit on my shoulder every minute that I worked down here.
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04-04-2009, 10:49 PM #135
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Ken, the model is looking absolutely unbelievable! I can't wait for the finished product!
Losing a pet is not much different than losing a family member. I'm sorry your feathered companion is gone. If our cat weren't here, I would miss him. Whenever I am at my desk
he comes up and stretches and grabs my arm as I'm working. Thanks for sharing that picture of her!
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Hi Ken,
Thank you for the fine photos of two very beautiful birds. Both are 'out of this world'.
I am so sorry for the loss of your pet. I know what you must have been going through - we have had many pets in our house; a dog, cats, ginnypigs, hamsters, mice, etc. At the
moment, we have a Bearded Dragon lizzard that we all love - it will be a tragedy, the day she must leave us.
The Valkyrie is stunning! Are the landing gear, engine outlets and cockpit windows next?
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04-05-2009, 12:13 AM #137
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Ken, may I echo Itla and say that our pets are merely furred or feathered family members? We miss them when they're gone. I know how you feel.
Also, let me echo everyone else and say that the bird is coming together perfectly! I have your IM re the #105, and I concur. I have some killer graphics I intend to use, and once
I finish polishing up the details, I'll post the PNG files here so that you, or anyone else can use them if you wish. Except for the nose art, that is... <evil grin>
Bravo, maestro!
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hi sir ken... condolences to you for your feathered friend...
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WARNING... do not dare display these beside p****** models... these two masterpieces will only make them look like toys...
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Thanks to everyone for providing positive energy on this one. It really keeps the motivation up to the required level - especially with this "beast" of an aircraft.
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Estimated time to rollout ...... May 15th.
Stay tuned: much more to come.
Thanks again everyone! You won't be disappointed.
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May 15, marked and popup alarm set! This is gonna be cool
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Currently, I am working on the final version of the engine bays.
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The second picture - the inner structure...
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You know you've been doing a lot of modeling when your cutting mat is so cut up you have to turn it over....
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Cutting Mats
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David,
How very true - I have tried that with two cutting mats, one big and one small.
Wonderful, wonderful model, Ken!
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04-05-2009, 11:50 PM #145
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Sorry about your pet Ken.......... I still miss Sume my Husky.
Love the XB! Monster......... but a dang good looking one!
On the cutting mat............ a long, long time ago (in a forum far... far away) I posted that you could take a random orbital sander and re-surface a cutting mat. Try it, you might
get a few more dull blades tossed out before you have to toss out your mat.
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its not finished, but it looks like its going freakingly fast...
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All I can do is add my voice to others - outstanding!

I really appreciate you doing the design at this scale.
Like your X-15 and Kooklits submarine, this will be a "must purchase" model.
04-06-2009, 08:24 AM #148
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15 May....
Only 38 days, 7hrs , 8min, 60seconds to go..
BTW Nasa is targetting to launch the Spaceshuttle that same day, maybe we could ask them to postpone that, because we all are already occupied then
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04-06-2009, 10:08 PM #149
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To all,
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The pictures speak for themselves. This is so sturdy; you could probably stand on it! Maybe it is constructional overkill, but this bird is over 4 feet long and calls for significant
stiffness so it can be handled without denting or crumpling.
The 6 engines will slip into the bays like shotgun shells. (just like the real thing)
Ken
PS: Start saving your breakfast food boxes... you're gonna need 'em.
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Looking good, Ken!
I think that the 110# paper I found is the way I'm going to go, but after seeing the size of your model at 1/48, I really am rethinking the 1/32 version. It won't really add that
much visual impact to the model to have another foot of it, will it?
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04-07-2009, 07:01 AM #151
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Lancer525,
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Location: Lake Orion, MI Actually, it would be about 2 feet longer. I think that when you see the 1/48 version up close, you will be happy with it. The bigger you go, the more detail you have to have in
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order to make it look appropriate.
I like your countdown! The pressure is on!
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04-07-2009, 07:49 PM #152
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Ken,
Your model is truly outstanding. I can't wait to purchase it (along with a few other people here).
Al White was one of my Dad's closest friends during the B-70 development years, so this aircraft was "THE AIRPLANE" in our house. Al was truly the "coolest of the cool", always
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Thanks for tackling a truly immense project. Now, how do I make 1/48 paper honeycomb skins ...
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Location: Lake Orion, MI What an honor to have known one of the pilots of this great aircraft. I believe he was the survivor of the incident with plane #2. In researching this, I learned that Al helped
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develop the escape system (seat capsule) that ultimately saved his life. (at least that's what I think I read) Carl Cross couldn't escape and unfortunately died in the accident. Even
though Al White was returned to flight status, he never flew the XB-70 again.
Tonight, I finished the engine bays. I added the outriggers that support the aft end of the wing. Here are a couple of pictures for your viewing pleasure.
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Ken, out of curiosity, what is the outside diameter of the engine nozzles, at the interface between the engines and engine bay?
Reason I ask is, were you planning on putting much detail in the exhaust nozzles?
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The holes that you see in the engine bays are appx .85 inches diameter. The engine exhaust (turkey feathers) will be about 1 inch at the base (where it touches the hole in the
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As far as nozzle details; absolutely! I have lots of pictures to go by.
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04-07-2009, 10:22 PM #157
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Ken,
Your research is correct.
I don't know how well known this is, but my Dad told me that Carl Cross was somehow knocked unconscious when the B-70 finally snap-rolled after the collision with Joe Walker's
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pulled as hard as he could and his arm slid inside the capsule, then Al's capsule ejected. His capsule parachute did not deploy correctly and the capsule hit the ground with
devastating impact. Fortunately his aluminum seat "gave", reducing the g-load, which probably saved his life. Al suffered severe spinal trauma. It's believed that Carl Cross was
still unconscious when the B-70 impacted. Al had done all he could.
That was a very bad day. Even though I was only 4 years old at the time, I still remember Dad telling us the awful news.
Anyway, that's a little bit about Al White. A great pilot and a very nice man.
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Progress Report:
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Don't worry about the wrinkles - the real aircraft has them!
The holes in the landing gear bays are to facilitate the alignment of the landing gear assemblies.
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Here, the engine bays and center section are joined together.
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NEXT: The front section of the lower fuselage (air intake).

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Great progress, Ken!
You have mad skills, my friend. I'm sure that everyone here would agree that this is a superlative build.
I'm just thrilled that it looks so good.

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A truly amazing design and build so far ken.
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04-12-2009, 10:40 PM #164
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More work on the lower fuselage.
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The last picture shows the view you will see when sighting down the intake.
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I still need to add the bomb bay doors, and then I will build the lower wing assembly.
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Ken,
That Nacelle is gorgeous. What a beautiful structure.

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04-13-2009, 07:33 AM #168
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Very Very nice, understatement I know but still gets to the point. Early to be asking but any chance you could turn your formidable talents towards a TSR2 in the future shes
sorely in need of being represented and I can think of no one better to design a model of her
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The bomb bay doors:
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folded and placed to the side...
Picture 2: The outer shell is glued to the cardboard strip.
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The lower wing plate:
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Picture 2: The plate is glued to the lower fuselage - PERFECT FIT!
Picture 3: A look into the mouth of the beast.
Pictures 4 & 5: A couple of pics showing the overall appearance of the model....
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Awesome... Simply awesome!
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Ken,
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Early to be asking but any chance you could turn your formidable talents towards a TSR2 in the future shes sorely in need of being represented and I can think of no one
better to design a model of her
Walter Schwaiger is currently designing one - http://www.kartonbau.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=18266
I hope it will be available soon!
BTW, this guy designed already a J-32 Lansen, J-35Oe Draken and Fairey Rotodyne (available at the IPMS.at shop but pretty expensive)
I hope he will make this time a downloadable version ...
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Re: The TSR2. Didn't Barry do it a few years ago, or is my memory playing me false here?
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04-13-2009, 05:22 PM #175
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Ken,
Your model is growing better and better...
But am I seeing well at the intakes of the engines? Did You reproduce the
fairings on the forward end of each septum (see the pic below)? I agree with Billy Leliveld when he was referring to "a detailed interior"!
And now at least You have to reproduce a rotating compressor!

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Re: The TSR2. Didn't Barry do it a few years ago, or is my memory playing me false here?
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[/quote] Walter Schwaiger is currently designing one - http://www.kartonbau.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=18266
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I hope it will be available soon!
BTW, this guy designed already a J-32 Lansen, J-35Oe Draken and Fairey Rotodyne (available at the IPMS.at shop but pretty expensive)
I hope he will make this time a downloadable version ...
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The TSR2 looks great!! I've seen the 1/33 Rotodyne on the website but haven't had any response to inquiries regarding cost of shipping outside the EU. It'd be great if he could
market both the Rotodyne and TSR-2 as downloads, maybe through ecardmodels??
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Amazing work, Ken!
I like the view from the front into the engine air inlets - exciting stuff. I also like very much that you have had the foresight of making the internals gray.
Have you tried to put the whole light blue fuselage, nose, canard and wing ensemble on top of this lower engine assembly? That must look pretty awesome . . .
Keep up the good work,

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04-15-2009, 10:18 PM #179
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Thanks Bengt!
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Location: Lake Orion, MI I haven't tried that, but admitedly I did think about it. I would have to tear the blue prototype apart to do it, so I guess I'll wait to see what it will look like.
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Here is a picture of the wing ribbing.... I am currently (and painstakingly) designing the production version of the upper wing.
I have to say that I have grown to really appreciate the advanced design and engineering of this fine aircraft. Even by today's standard, it is a marvel to behold. I have seen #1
up close, and my first impression was "there is no way this thing ever flew". But it most certainly did. I am honored to be replicating it almost 40 years after its last flight.
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I cannot believe how fast you are progressing on this, I am really impressed. And the quality looks incredible. I think Im ready to throw in the towel as a neo-designer.
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04-16-2009, 12:11 PM #181
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Before I forget to mention this piece of trivia....
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Location: Lake Orion, MI The last remaining XB-70 Valkyrie (Build #1) took to the air for the last time on Feb 4, 1969. In other words, 40 years ago last February. It's too bad that I could not have
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planned the rollout of the model last Feb to mark the anniversary. Oh well... It was flown from Edwards AFB to Wright-Patterson AFB to be delivered to the Air Force Museum.
As for the roll out, I believe I am still on track for May 15th. Perhaps I will dedicate it to Cross and Walker...... Never to forget them and the sacrifice they made for the
advancement in aeronautics.
Tonight, I will be adding the upper wing plate. Stay tuned.
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04-16-2009, 12:28 PM #182
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Ken:
Don't sweat the Anniversary. The fact that this is getting done, and getting done in the same year as the Anniversary is more important, because it is indeed getting done. You
could, in fact, advertise this thing (not that you'd need to!) as rolling out as the 40th Anniversary Commemorative of the Final Flight of the Valkyrie. (Cue Wagner background
music)
I could, if you permit, work on some graphics for either the nameplate or for the model itself as an option, to show this as the 40th Anniversary Commemorative. It wouldn't take
much, but it would be a nice memorial for both Walker and Cross.
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Carolina.
As for staying tuned, well... I think I can safely speak for everyone following this thread that we're not just staying tuned, we're salivating in anticipation.
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Ken,
Very well said.
We're enjoying watching your design / build process. You have quite a following here.
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aspects, it's still fun. It's one thing to design, but moving to un-wrapping, and further to properly coloring is a real challenge. Hope you're looking in the Tutorial section here for
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Tonight's progress report:
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Location: Lake Orion, MI The upper wing plate. If you recall from the prototype build, this plate serves as an "underlayment" for the outer wing skin to lay on. Without this supporting plate, the upper
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wing would resemble a WWI airplane wing.
Note the marks on top... This is for the placement of the fuselage spine. The fuselage gets mounted FIRST before the wing skin. THEN the wing skin butts up to the fuselage
(similar to how carpet butts up to a wall). This will tend to hide any gaps. You can get away with this on a model of this size.
BTW: I was a little worried about the fit of the parts for a model of this size and proportion. But I have been pleasantly surprised at how good the fit is.
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Hey Ken........ Do you have stock in Georgia Pacific? The demand on cardstock will go up next month, load up now!
P.S. I've already been to SAMS and loaded up on a new ream of GP 110# paper........... oh yeah 250 sheets baby!
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What you see so far in the final build uses up 30 pages. I will easily be doubling that before it's over. Sometimes, you can optimize paper utilization by rearranging parts, but the
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Don't forget to start saving your Kellogs boxes too!
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You can arrange the sheets into chapters!
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04-17-2009, 05:43 PM #188
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i learned that in extreme time of war, the valkyrie would be cheaper to build and operate to day and would be as effective as B-2.
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Posts: 220 as the b-2 can be shot down visually from a fighter plane, b-70 would have no defense but speed, and nothing can possibly shoot it down except MTHEL, or ABL, which are
Friendly technologies.
04-17-2009, 06:16 PM #189
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Actually, the Soviets developed the MiG-25 "Foxbat" and the "Acid" AAM specifically to combat the B-70. Foxbats flown by Russian pilots in the late 1960's in Egypt were clocked
at just over Mach 3.2 during incursions into Israel. Of course, the Tumanskiy R-84 engines all required total replacement after all three of those flights, as they were completely
ruined for further use. Once the USSR learned the US could track the Foxbat at those speeds and altitudes, they never let another one go out of country, until Lt. Viktor Belenko
defected with one to Hokkaido, Japan in 1976. US analysis of the "liberated" Foxbat, and Belenko's defection confirmed that the aircraft could operate safely in excess of Mach
2.7, and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet at the upper limits of it's flight envelope.
The "Acid" missile was a fairly crude version, *ground* controlled no less, of the Phoenix AAM being developed at the time by the US Navy, for use in the then-new F-14. It was
speculated at the time Belenko defected, that the Walkers had sent over information and specifications of the Phoenix program to the Russians. The ground-operated radar in the
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activated unless the aircraft was at 2500 meters minimum altitude. The missile's top "speed" was estimated to be in excess of Mach 4.5, so the combination of the Acid and the
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something better was coming down the road. That "something" actually turned out to be Rockwell's B-1A.
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A MIG-25 Foxbat might make a good addition to an XB-70 display
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04-17-2009, 09:22 PM #191
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Actually, the Bone would be my ultimate pick for a 1/48 addition to this model.
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This picture shows that the Valkyrie was under attack, but I don't think it where the Russians
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Actually, the Bone would be my ultimate pick for a 1/48 addition to this model.
You could always scale down the Hobby Model Bone. Or, dare I say it? You could try the Revell 1/48 polystyrene injection molded version. I gotta get out quick before I get
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04-19-2009, 11:37 AM #194
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UPDATE:
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Here is the part I am calling the "neck".
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lovely... I can't wait to see what you do with the flight deck
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04-19-2009, 02:27 PM #197
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Sweet!!! I just can't praise this effort enough.
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Progress:
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Location: Lake Orion, MI I added the front half of the spine. Happily, the fit is more than satisfactory and way better than the blue prototype. I also started with the top wing skin. The last picture shows a
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couple of relief doors that open up - similar to many modern jet aircraft.
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My favorite plane - I just saw this thread and now will be subscribed to see updates. I doubt I'd even build it at 1/48th ever - but it'll be cool to see it come together and know I
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04-21-2009, 09:50 PM #200
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Since I broke Rex this morning, I thought I would share some pictures after I repaired him. I built Rex about 10 years ago for my son using a dremel and some old pine. He was
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Scary lookin' !
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After the Jurassic repair, I continued with the Valkyrie. The last section of the spine will be added after the upper wing skin is added. It is designed to be "cut to length". This will
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The center picture shows the straight sloping line of the spine. Yet, in the third picture you can see the hourglass shape of the upper fuselage. These are the subtle details that
make all the difference.
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Absolutely beautiful, Ken!
It is simply amazing how you can design and shape paper to fit the sweeping lines of the fuselage of this plane. I am in awe. The shapes blend in to one another perfectly
seemlessly.
This model takes card modeling to another level entirely.

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04-22-2009, 10:55 AM #203
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Bloody hell...that T-Rex is impressive to say the least.
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04-25-2009, 10:38 PM #204
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Just in case you are wondering what happened...
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The top wing skin was glued approximately 3/8 inches too far forward. I carefully peeled away the parts, and fortunately, with careful surgery, I was able to salvage most of the
spine.
What a mess this was!
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But here is the good news!
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Location: Lake Orion, MI Pictures 1 and 2 show how the wing skin is glued to the upper wing plate, but NOT to each other... yet.
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Pictures 3 and 4 show the skin pieces glued to each other. Happily, even the red stripe matched across 3 parts on the top.
Picture 5 - upside down; showing the internal ribbing - the lower wing skin not yet added.
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Ken,
What can one say, other than WOOOWW!

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04-26-2009, 09:21 PM #207
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Progress Report:
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The bottom wing skin is attached - good fit, but a little trimming at the inboard edges of the panels are necessary; and this will be called out in the instructions.
The last 2 pictures show how the leading edge of the wing slopes downward toward the outboard end.
Ken
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More pictures:
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Stay tuned - gettin' there!
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You Sir, are a Master Craftsman, Thank You.
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04-29-2009, 06:57 AM #210
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To all,
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Location: Lake Orion, MI Don't worry if you notice wrinkles in your finished model. It is authentic!
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04-29-2009, 07:04 AM #211
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Never knew the real thing was made of paper too..
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04-29-2009, 09:20 AM #212
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Don't worry if you notice wrinkles in your finished model. It is authentic!
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You have to wonder how those wrinkles affected the shockwave surrounding the aircraft during supersonic flight. I would think that they could lead to uneven heating of the skin
and burn throughs during extended high speed flight.
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You have to wonder how those wrinkles affected the shockwave surrounding the aircraft during supersonic flight. I would think that they could lead to uneven heating of
the skin and burn throughs during extended high speed flight.
This kind of supersonic things have an exotic behavior on their skin.

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When the Concorde flew at mach two, the fuselage stretched out her self for more then twenty centimeter: I saw in a documentary the fly engineer to insert his hand between
the wall of the cabin and the panel of instruments, when he couldn't do it in the airport.
Posts: 252 Those wrinkles could stretch their self at mach three, may be.
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PS: I apologize for my english.

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Ya know, through Ken's various designs and builds we've heaped praise on him as well we should; it seems like each model he designs just gets better than the one before it. And
the one before it has always been pretty darn good.
But he seems to be taking things to a new level with the XB-70, and I hope he knows A) what an important addition he is making to the hobby and B) how much his efforts are
appreciated. Even those of us who may never build the model are in awe of his abilities and craftsmanship. This is going to be a stunning model when he's finished, and it makes
me wonder what his next model is going to be. (Although if he wants some suggestions, I'd happily offer some....)
While others have said it, allow me to say it, too: Thanks!
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04-29-2009, 05:07 PM #215
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Quote:
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This kind of supersonic things have an exotic behavior on their skin.
When the Concorde flew at mach two, the fuselage stretched out her self for more then twenty centimeter: I saw in a documentary the fly engineer to insert his hand
between the wall of the cabin and the panel of instruments, when he couldn't do it in the airport.
Those wrinkles could stretch their self at mach three, may be.
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Best, Nando
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Nando: No need to worry about your English. Even those of us who are native speakers still mangle the language...
Regarding "stretching" or thermal expansion, it was well known that high-supersonic aircraft expand, going back to the X-15 program. One of the early pilots of that plane was
killed at Edwards when the aircraft expanded beyond what it was designed to, and literally stretched itself out of flyable condition. I think they named one of the streets at the
base after the guy, but I don't remember his name.
Also, the SR-71 had this same thermal expansion property to the point that none of the fuel tanks were completely closed until the skin of the wings heated up enough to expand
and seal them. They would fuel the aircraft enough to get it off the ground, up to altitude, and to a speed of about Mach 1.5 for a few minutes, and then they'd tank off to fill up
before flying a mission. The plane would be sitting there on the runway, leaking like a sieve, and then begin its takeoff roll spewing fuel from the wings, until the pilot hit his
afterburners right after lifting off, at which point the exhaust flames from the engines would ignite the trail of fuel on the runway, all the way back to where it had sat at the end
of the runway before takeoff roll.
I witnessed this once myself, when visiting my lncle Dale at Nellis AFB in Las Vegas. He was in the Air Force, and lived just off the base in one of those housing developments. He
called me from inside late one evening, and told me that an airplane was taking off, and that I should come look at it. I got outside, and it was dark, so I asked him how I could
tell where the airplane was. He replied, "you'll see it, I promise." Well we could hear that thing over a mile away, and when it lifted off the ground, we saw the afterburners kick
in, and then WHOOSH! all that fuel lit up, it was like watching a line of fire zoom down the runway in the opposite direction from the aircraft. He told me I'd just seen a top secret
plane take off, and I could never tell anyone.
Most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

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To all my paper modeling friends,
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As for my next effort; I am toying with the idea of doing the B-58 chase plane that was used in the XB-70 program. In 1/32 scale of course! It was bigger than most pictures
indicate. It was the last plane to drop out of formation when chasing the Valkyrie! A remarkable aircraft in its own right.
Tonight, I added the next 2 sections to the fuselage... I will be fixing the graphics alignment issue on the left side..
From now on, I will be focusing on those detail-intensive aspects of the design; ie landing gear/cockpit.
Thanks again for your kind words - it's validation that I am meeting your expectations!
Ken
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Even if you were only building this beauty as a one-off solely for your own collection, this would still be one of the most eagerly-followed threads in the modelling world. That this
kit will actually be available for us to build as well and in only a few weeks, is just mind-blowing...
Simon
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Oh yeah........ a Hustler in 1/32
Hey maybe you could do a B-47 after that? THE most gorgeous aircraft ever and very NOT Modeled in paper.......except for Geli (I think)
Wow....... can you imagine the ceiling in your room with a B-58 and XB-70 hanging from it.........
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Oh yeah........ a Hustler in 1/32
Hey maybe you could do a B-47 after that? THE most gorgeous aircraft ever and very NOT Modeled in paper....
I have to respectfully disagree, my friend...

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Carolina. The Valkyrie is the most gorgeous aircraft, as this build is showing. Closely followed by the Constellation. The prime example of Form following Function... I've always wondered
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As for my next effort; I am toying with the idea of doing the B-58 chase plane that was used in the XB-70 program. In 1/32 scale of course! It was bigger than most
pictures indicate. It was the last plane to drop out of formation when chasing the Valkyrie! A remarkable aircraft in its own right.
...
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I am amazed!
Not only for the white beauty (I am seeing the round neck sligthly changing in a more squared shape), but for the consonance between your and mine feeling about wich are the
best aircrafts of the all times :
first the X-15

next the XB-70
and now the B-58
Astounding! I don't know If I am more excited for the completion of the XB-70 or for the expectation of the starting of the Hustler ....
I can't wait ... I can't wait ... I can't wait ... I can't wait ...
Best, Nando
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Nando ... about the Hustler ...
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Some time ago, I found this thread in a forum (MilitaryMeshes.com) dedicated at the 3D design, just about the Convair B-58 Hustler. It's a beauty for the details (instruments
panel, landing gears, etc.) and the final rendering. May be that it could inspire You ....
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[quote=Bowdenja;889069]Oh yeah........ a Hustler in 1/32
Hey maybe you could do a B-47 after that? THE most gorgeous aircraft ever and very NOT Modeled in paper.......except for Geli (I think)
Hi John,
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Next Installment:
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In picture 4, you can see a build up of a complete engine. I provided enough parts to make 6 finned intakes, but only the center 4 engines require them since you can only see
these through the air tunnels. The color of the fins are lighter than the real thing, but I felt it was important that you can see them when looking through the air tunnels.
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Here are various shots of the engines after the installation.
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Absolutely brilliant, Ken!!!
It is beginning to look more and more like the 'real thing'
Wonderful model!
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Just for the heck of it, I tried to replicate the photograph shown here.
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Note that in the photograph, you are looking at vehicle #2. Its number was 20207. Also notice that #2 had a positive dihedral at the wingtips. Number 1 had a slightly downward
slope.
The rudder/fin cutlines are very realistic! They are designed as separate pieces so that the builder can articulate them if desired.
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Ok Ken when are you going to show as pictures of the model? rather than these cleverly Photoshopped pictures of the building of the original! Truly amazing work
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But the compressor blades are they rotating?
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Fellow modelers:
We are in the presence of greatness!
I nominate Ken for Modeler of the Year, for his outstanding work in developing designs that enhance and add to our hobby, and for his tireless work and effort to improve the
standards of presentation, design, and paper models in general.
Any seconds?
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Wow! This is truly a work of art.
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Posts: 18 I spent several years of my life in USAF as an A-10 Warthog weapons troop. I did weapons maintenance and loading (462). I have waited years for someone to do real justice to
the A-10. I have built several models (including styrene) and they are all wrong in varying degrees. Now that the A-10C is in service, it makes me want it even more.
I would truly love to see your talent put forth on the "Hawg". Just the gun system alone would make an incredible model.
God Bless you and I will be Purcha$ing this model from you.
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It's been dead calm on this thread....
or is it the silence before the storm?
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Jeez, you guys. Would you have been standing on the floor of the Sistine Chapel telling Michelangelo to paint faster? (Just kidding.)
I'm sure there's a reason. Ken has never (and I do mean never) disappointed us before, so I'm sure it's going to be great....
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Once he is finished with the XB-70, I would love to see him do a large scale RB-45 Tornado, possibly the most underrepresented model around.
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Maj. Davenport:
As much as it pains me to have to disagree with you, the next model I'd like to see Ken do, would have to be the Ultra-Connie that Lockheed was planning as a follow up to the
Super-Connie. The Ultra-Constellation was to have had 4 jet engines and be about 20% bigger than the Super.
That would be one hell of an airplane model to build. And in the Air Force One paint scheme. I'd drop serious dime to acquire that one.
I'm sure that life has caught up with our designer. I know he wouldn't leave us hanging after going this far...
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Personally I'd like to see the Avro Canada Jetliner, but the Ultra Connie has piqued my interest, have you any artists concepts of it by chance?
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I saw a photo a few weeks back, don't remember where, while I was doing a search for the early days of Air Force One.I know that Jacqueline Kennedy was responsible for the
exterior paint design of 26000 used by JFK, and was looking for information on how it came to be done back when they got the aircraft. The search engine I used was
"www.alltheweb.com" and the terms I used were "Air Force One Paint Scheme Kennedy Eisenhower Constellation" trying to bring up pages that talked about the transition
between the two aircraft. Never did find what I was looking for, but did run across what was an "artist's impression" of what the a/c would look like with jets. Air Force history
page, Lockheed history, something like that. Wish I'd saved it now...
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He must be on vacation........... and I thought he said he was going to do the Hustler next.
Still...... I would like to see a B-47, but ANY Constellation would also be nice. Maybe a C-121 in Blue Angel color scheme to go with his already started BA planes.
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As much as it pains me to have to disagree with you, the next model I'd like to see Ken do, would have to be the Ultra-Connie that Lockheed was planning as a follow up to
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Well, I certainly do not see it as a disagreement, merely an informed exchange of ideas. And, considering your excellent choice, I, too, will defer to the Connie. I believe JSC or
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So, now that we have decided what Ken is going to do next (let's not spoil the surprise by telling him) for us, it only remains for us to decide on the scale. I vote for 1/48; Heller
did the Connie in 1/72 plastic already. And, one of the reasons I got into paper is that I likes 'em big n' sassy!
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Hear, hear!
Sir, I appreciate your gracious statement.

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but not least, I currently have the flu!
Other than that, it's coming along.
Looks like I missed the May 15th date! BUT, Good things are worth the wait as they say - you won't be disappointed - I promise.
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Lancer, I was looking for some info on the Ultra Connie and could find none. I thought myself fairly knowledgeable on aviation topics, but I am stumped on this one.
Do have a photo or url?

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Maj. Davenport:
Since my first response to your original, I have been looking diligently for the page to which I referred. Alas, I have, as usual, been completely unable to locate it again.
You don't have any idea how frustrating it is to not be able to find it! And I have been looking.
Ken, good to have you back, and I sincerely hope you begin feeling better soonest! In the words of Winston Churchill: "Great men never hurry, great men make others hurry."
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I hope you start to feel better. Better keep hush-hush about the Flu. The CDC might try to close the forum for two weeks.
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Get well soon, we wouldn't be papermodelers if we didn't had some patience...Rome wasn't build in one day either..
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Are you kidding? If I didn't hear someone call my name on a daily basis, I'd probably forget it. In fact, if my head wasn't permanently attached, I surely would have lost it long
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Ken, it's good you are ok. You had everyone skittish there for awhile.
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to work, I had too much on my plate (employer going bankrupt). And then, last but not least, my computer stopped working with all my Valkyrie data locked up in the hard drive!
BUT, the good news is that I don't believe the hard drive is bad. I am confident that I only lost the power supply (a common problem). I ordered a new one, and I should be back
in business soon.
The main landing gear has over 100 parts (just the LH side), so I was in the process of trying to simplify it without sacrificing quality or detail when the computer failure ocurred.
The landing gear is a model in itself. I like to put alot of detail in the landing gears. The Valkyrie looks a little plain-jane otherwise. I think you will like the level of detail on
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Glad you're feeling better. Know what it's like to be away from work for a week, seems like you'll never get out from under the load.
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I'M BACK!
I Immediately backed up the Valkyrie.
I will be posting updates on the model this weekend.
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I second Rutzes.
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I'm reminded of the CapCom Charllie Duke's comment to the Eagle just after it landed on the moon: "You got a bunch of guys about to turn blue. We're breathing again."
We're starved for pictures, though. We'd even lap up photos of your "failed" assemblies....
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OK - Back at it!
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Location: Lake Orion, MI Picture 1 shows part pages that make up the (2) 4-wheel truck assemblies for the main landing gear. These parts are only for the lower truck assemblies; not the upper gear.
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Picture 2 shows parts to build 1 wheel.
Picture 3 - 1 complete wheel (7 more to go)
The wheel is bigger than a nickel and smaller than a quarter...
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That is beautiful - I'd be happy just building the undercarriage...
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I am SO glad that I will be building my Valkyrie in an "in flight" configuration. I just can't get concentric circles to come out right, no matter what I do!
Ken, those are just flawless...

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Hehe, maybe that scalpel showing is just for show, and there's a craftrobo hard at work in the background :P
Nah just kidding, lovely work so far Ken, great subject, and you're certainly doing her justice if I do say so myself
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I am truly amazed at this fine model! Keep up the good work.
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Here is a picture of the 8 wheels that make up the main landing gear assemblies.
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Amazing work, Ken,
She will soon be stretching her long slender legs, I guess . . .
Dedicated and determined work always gets you there in the end, even if it seems slow and endless at the time - you can be very proud. Those wheels are masterpieces, every
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These pictures are the start of the LH side. The body reminds me of an old camera film cartridge.
The next post will show the complete LH truck assembly (minus the wire components to be added last).
BTW: I call these "truck" assemblies. That's probably not the correct name, but they are similar in appearance to railroad wheel assemblies that are called "trucks".
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Here is the LH assembly.
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it is represented in this model.
The parts appear "edgy" due to the extreme closeup shots. This assembly is only 2 inches long, but it looks very realistic in natural light. A little sandpaper on the wheels would
soften them up a bit. BTW, in case you were wondering, the wheels were not black - they were silver. The color I used is a little lighter than the real thing, but since they sit in
the shadow of a very large wing, I lightened them up so that the model would look more realistic.
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Wow, looks like another assembly I'll probably never have the patience to build. Do you have any plans to make an in-flight stand for those of us who will be too lazy to build her
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Scott,
A stand would be tricky since this aircraft is almost 4 feet long. But the distance between the front and rear gears is only 1 foot. This makes it easier to find a place to sit it down.
You aren't the first person to want to build an in-flight version!
Here is a picture of the LH and RH assemblies sitting on the rear of the wing for reference.
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Wow, looks like another assembly I'll probably never have the patience to build. Do you have any plans to make an in-flight stand for those of us who will be too lazy to
build her gear?
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