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JayF Posted: Aug 4, 2014 09:00 pm 0

Hi! I perform at a restaurant on Friday nights, and I've decided I'd like to add a finger ring and string routine to my repertoire. I
like the fact that they are usually modular. Modular routines can be helpful in restaurants because you can just wrap it up if the
food comes, and the folks will have already seen some magic even if you've only gotten through a couple of phases.

I own several finger ring and string routines. I'm wondering if any of you who have used any of them would offer an opinion on
Regular user them. I'm not trying to start any debates on here. I just figure some of you may have already compared some of these routines
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and might be willing to share why you have chosen one routine over another.

Here's what I have:

Dan Fleshman's routine

Scott Guinn's routine
Bob Miller's Relentless routine
Diamond Jim Tyler's routine
Gregory Wilson's Ring Leader routine

I also have an old VHS video of Ray Grismer's Ring and Rope Routines.

I already realize that I could go through them all and make up my own mind. I'm in the process of doing that. I'd still like to
know what other people think about any of these routines.

Thanks,
Jay
J-Mac Posted: Aug 5, 2014 05:28 am 1

Every one of them is great. The only additions I can think of are a few of Ray Grismer's routines ("Ring" and "Thru") as well as
Earl Nelsen ("Another Ring Move"), all of which are available in past issues of Genii Magazine. If you have a Genii subscription
you have access to all of their archives.

Also, Gary Ouellet has some great ring and string work in his "Homing Ring".
 But as I said, you have enough work there to perform as great a routine as you wish.

Jim

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JayF Posted: Aug 5, 2014 09:19 am 0

Quote:

On Aug 5, 2014, J-Mac wrote:

Every one of them is great. The only additions I can think of are a few of Ray Grismer's routines
("Ring" and "Thru") as well as Earl Nelsen ("Another Ring Move"), all of which are available in past
Regular user issues of Genii Magazine. If you have a Genii subscription you have access to all of their archives.
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Also, Gary Ouellet has some great ring and string work in his "Homing Ring".

But as I said, you have enough work there to perform as great a routine as you wish.

Jim

I have a subscription to Genii. Also, I think "Ring" and "Thru" might both be on the Ray Grismer video, and I do have Variations.

Let me ask you this: If you were going to learn only one of those routines that I have listed, which one would you choose?

Thanks!

Jay
Sackninja Posted: Aug 5, 2014 10:10 am 1

I have ring leader and you could easily put together a routine with just that. It also includes a nice trick from jay Sankey with a
spoon and a ring which shouldn't be over looked. Even just the standard ring leader routine could be used as it comes but the
DVD also features a ton of nice phases to put your own routine.

I don't have anything else you mentioned sadly. I wish you luck in putting together a ring and string routine. If you put enough
New user practice in, its a routine that can really kill.
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J-Mac Posted: Aug 5, 2014 03:51 pm 1

Quote:
 On Aug 5, 2014, JayF wrote:

I have a subscription to Genii. Also, I think "Ring" and "Thru" might both be on the Ray Grismer
video, and I do have Variations.

Inner circle Let me ask you this: If you were going to learn only one of those routines that I have listed, which
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Thanks!

Jay

Hi Jay.

If I had to go with only one, it would be Scott Guinn's "Symphony for Ring and String". He uses sleights and moves from
different magicians and in my opinion he has picked the best of the bunch to mash together into a routine. I love Dan Fleshman's
Purse Production as an opener - best Ring and String opener there is as far as I'm concerned! Then the usual sequence of
alternating on and off penetrations, and he has tossed in one of my favorite all-time finger ring effects: Jim Ryan's "Rope, Ring,
and Rod".

That one's my favorite.

Take care.

Jim
JayF Posted: Aug 5, 2014 06:01 pm 0

[/quote]

Hi Jay.

If I had to go with only one, it would be Scott Guinn's "Symphony for Ring and String". He uses sleights and moves from
Regular user different magicians and in my opinion he has picked the best of the bunch to mash together into a routine. I love Dan Fleshman's
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Purse Production as an opener - best Ring and String opener there is as far as I'm concerned! Then the usual sequence of
alternating on and off penetrations, and he has tossed in one of my favorite all-time finger ring effects: Jim Ryan's "Rope, Ring,
and Rod".

That one's my favorite.

Take care.

Jim [/quote]
 Thanks, Jim! As Scott says, "if you steal from several sources, it's research!"

I've been leaning toward doing a routine that requires only a ring & string and no other props because pocket space is already an
issue when I'm table-hopping. However, I'm going to take another look at Scott's routine because of your post.

Btw, I think Scott's routine for the patriotic ropes, "The Magic Jumprope," is fantastic! I perform it in almost every kid and family
show I do.

Jay
JayF Posted: Aug 5, 2014 06:18 pm 0

Quote:

On Aug 5, 2014, Sackninja wrote:

I have ring leader and you could easily put together a routine with just that. It also includes a nice
trick from jay Sankey with a spoon and a ring which shouldn't be over looked. Even just the
Regular user standard ring leader routine could be used as it comes but the DVD also features a ton of nice
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phases to put your own routine.

I don't have anything else you mentioned sadly. I wish you luck in putting together a ring and
string routine. If you put enough practice in, its a routine that can really kill.

Thank you! As I mentioned in another post, I've been leaning toward doing a routine that only requires a ring & string and no
other props. So, the basic Ring Leader routine would probably work really well, at least as an initial routine to do.

The routine I used to do was well-received. So, why did it drop out of my repertoire? I went through an "I'm only doing card
tricks" phase, and when the phase ended, I just never brought that trick back. Until now. When I can't remember what I used to
do.

One thing I do remember is that I used some of Michael Close's lines when I did Clifton's Ring Move. I would do the move and
ask the spectator what letter I made on the back of my hand. He or she would say an "X." I'd say "correct." I'd then ask them
what their middle name was. They'd answer. I'd say, "correct." Then, if I was using a borrowed ring, I'd say, "and what is the
melting point of gold?" Pause for a moment, and say, "times up." Pretend to rub the ring on the string and comment about how
the ring is melting. Show the ring has vanished. That is all straight from Michael Close.

If I was using my own ring, the third question I'd ask is "what is the technical definition of sleight-of-hand." Whatever they would
say, I'd say, "correct." Then, I'd say, "That's how you define sleight-of-hand. This is what it looks like." Show the ring has
vanished.

Thanks again for taking the time to post an answer to my question!

Jay
JayF Posted: Aug 5, 2014 08:32 pm 0
 Darn it! I forgot to mention something. As I said, I used some of Michael Close's lines when I did Clifton's Ring Move. I would
usually make this move the final phase. If I was using a borrowed ring, I'd tell the spectator that I was going to ask them three
questions, and if they could answer all of them, that they would get their ring back (that part was from Close). If I was using my
own ring, I'd tell a female spectator that I was going to ask her three questions, and if she got them all correct, she'd win a free
gift. Since she would answer all three questions correctly, I make her an origami rose as her free gift.
Regular user
159 Posts Another thing I remember about doing the routine -- I began to mainly do it with my own ring. When I first started, I tried to
always do it with a borrowed ring. But, there were times when no one in a group had a suitable ring, or no one seemed to want
to loan their ring to me. So, I began to say, "I'd like to show you something with a ring and a string. We can do it with my ring,
or one of your's." I'd pause. If no one quickly volunteered a ring, I'd just go into it with my ring. Frankly, I did not notice any
"drop" in the response to my doing it with my ring instead of one of their's.

Jay
JayF Posted: Aug 5, 2014 11:15 pm 0

The "technical definition of sleight-of-hand" line came from Simon Lovell's Card in Mouth routine. Gotta make sure I credit
everything that's not mine.

Jay

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motown Posted: Aug 6, 2014 01:10 am 1

Ring Leader is nice because it's a well structured routine with a nice build.
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vinsmagic Posted: Aug 6, 2014 07:34 am 1

Bob millers relentless ring and string routine

it is now on dvd
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JayF Posted: Aug 8, 2014 08:06 am 0

 Quote:

On Aug 6, 2014, vinsmagic wrote:

Bob millers relentless ring and string routine
it is now on dvd
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Thanks for the recommendation! I decided to "dip my toe" back into the ring and string routine "pool." I put together a simple
three phase routine. I performed it at a walk-around gig today, and it went pretty well. The people responded well, and I had fun
doing it.

I had found a three phase routine on one of Jon Tremaine's videos. I decided to use the first two phases of his routine, and then I
did the Clifton move as the third phase. Quite simple and easy to do.

I'm going to be working to learn some more phases to expand the routine. But, at least I have a ring and string routine now that
I know I can do.

Thanks again to everyone who posted suggestions, recommendations, and comments!!!

Jay
vinsmagic Posted: Aug 15, 2014 09:21 pm 0

Http://youtu.be/s7npvyr73NA
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Alex Rapattoni Posted: Aug 19, 2014 07:34 pm 0

Relentless is an awesome DVD. Just using the DVD and bonus moves, I came up with a very solid routine of my own. It's about 7
phases (depending on how you count them) and I use the ring and string as an example while talking about time travel. With all
the material you have, you should be able to put something amazing together, just think about the conservation of movement.
You don't want to have two "off" moves in a row, if you're gonna put the ring on the string you might as well do it magically.
Weird is part of the job.
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mtgoldstein Posted: Oct 24, 2014 01:01 am 0

While not exactly a ring on string Troy Houser's Charming Chinese Challange or J Pierce's version CCC Revisited is a close cousin
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Boston Bob Posted: Oct 31, 2014 09:06 pm 0

Sankey just released devil's tail, might check that out.

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Mb217 Posted: Nov 1, 2014 12:19 am 0

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On Aug 15, 2014, vinsmagic wrote:

Http://youtu.be/s7npvyr73NA

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funsway Posted: Nov 3, 2014 12:48 pm 0

Go Vinny. I am currently writing an eBook on the use of a Spiral Purse (Rose Purse) with coins.

Now I think I will include some uses for a finger ring -- and maybe even a separate wBook

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Red Neck Posted: Nov 6, 2014 02:33 pm 0

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 Is Scott guinn symphony for ring and string only taught through the ebook or is it the same routine on his DVD great Scott? Any
help would be great. Thanks

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Poof-Daddy Posted: Nov 6, 2014 09:33 pm 0

Quote:

On Nov 6, 2014, Red Neck Magician wrote:

Is Scott guinn symphony for ring and string only taught through the ebook or is it the same routine
on his DVD great Scott? Any help would be great. Thanks
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I am wondering about that too. I recently found some spiral bound books in storage. Two were "Great Scott! It's Coin Magic" vol
2, 2nd ed and "Great Scott! It's More Magic" vol 3, 2nd ed. --- I saw where he sold all of his book rights to www.Lybrary.com (a
great source for magic ebooks and some vids) but I cant find out anywhere what I am missing from what would have been
"Great Scott! It's xxxxx Magic" vol 1, 2nd ed. I see the dvd you mention and I see many of the routines in my 2 vol's as stand
alones for around $10 ea (so I must have a gold mine in the 2 I have) buty would love to find the vol 1 and any that may have
gone past the 3rd vol.

Symphony for Ring and string is in my vol3 book and I like it as much as I like Ring Leader, CCC and ReCharmed I'm Sure. Great
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