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From: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
Sent: 2/19/2020 6:47:22 PM

To: "Forest Wilson" <forestwilsonfp@gmail.com>
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Subject:
Hello Forest,
As you're all too well aware, it's a tough fight for sure, but I'm holding out hope that one of these bills might pass in at least one state.
I was actually disappointed how Deutsch handled the South Dakota one. He kept giving up ground, compromise after compromise. It would have been better just to lose outright rather than
go down like that.
I wrote a lengthy letter for the legislature here on behalf of the Florida version of the bill but I'm not sure what became of my letter and never heard any more from the rep.
The rep who sponsored the bill asked me on a Friday evening to testify on Monday, something that wasn't possible on such short notice because I had an appointment at the VA that day
with the psychiatrist who treats my PTSD. Not the kind of appointment you miss, and care is too hard to come by at the VA to be wasting a time slot that was too late to fill.
In the end, not going to Tallahassee was probably for the best anyway. Turned out Equality Florida was there in force with all of their troops and the mother and brothers of Jazz Jennings.
The bill got killed before even making it to the house floor. There's still a Senate version but I'm unsure of the status of it, and the media's been quiet about it.
Looking forward to reading your letter. I'll post it in my feed afterward.
Hang in there, and thanks for sharing this.
Blessings,
James
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 09:18:30 PM EST, Forest Wilson <forestwilsonfp@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir,
I hope you and your family are doing well.
I wanted to let you know that I was recently at the state capitol, where my state representative Bill Dean announced he was sponsoring the "Protect Vulnerable Children Act," which would ban sex changes in minors (under
18) within the state of Ohio.
A link to a fake news article about it is here:
https://radio.wosu.org/post/ohio-conservatives-announce-bill-banning-medical-treatment-transgender-kids#stream/0
(I'm in the red shirtt standing in back)

I also wrote a letter explaining the importance of the bill in the local newspaper here:
https://www.fairborndailyherald.com/opinion/letters/40262/writer-supports-protect-vulnerable-children-act
Hopefully it will pass. I do know that the supporters are concerned that very few people will testify in support of it, because they fear losing their jobs and social status. Apparently companies have the right to fire "gender
critical" employees who make posts on social media or in public. I'm shocked to hear this because it sounds like something in a crap Bannana Republic but not a free democracy like the US.
Apparently there are also no or very few "detransitioners" willing to publicly testify in support of the bill. I imagine in some ways it's like asking a former church member to testify publicly against the church; they feel
uncomfortable taking a stance that will offend many current and former friends.
I thank you again for your efforts and personal involvement in my case. I still owe you lunch if we ever meet.
--
Best Wishes,
Forest Wilson
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 9/16/2019 2:35:47 PM
To: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Grossman Miriam"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb Gary" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Haynes Laura" <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc:
Subject: "How Oregon Built A Transgender Medical-Industrial Complex On Junk Science"
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a l - I n
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-complex-on-junk-
science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
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From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 10/30/2018 10:36:44 AM
To: "Madeleine Kearns" <mkearns@nationalreview.com>
Cc:
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Subject: A Note on hormonal skin problems
Attachments: IMG_0901.JPG
One of the things I wanted to share with you is what happened to me after I stopped taking hormones around Sep/Oct 2017 after the problems with the estrogen injections. Basically, what
happened is my skin went crazy. I had intense itching on my scrotum and legs that was unbearable. And I was getting skin growths popping up like the one in the photos. And the solar
lentigos I have all turned really dark. The primary care doctor at the VA thought I had skin cancer and sent me to dermatology at the DC Veterans Affairs hospital.
I don't know if you're talking to any medical folks like, I think his name is Michael Laidlaw, the endo that's often quoted in conservative publications for his opinion on this, but I suspect taking
these antiandrogen drugs and such make permanent changes to your body. It was really like my body couldn't handle going back to full testosterone and it's variants, like I said, my skin just
totally freaked when I stopped taking the drugs.
The weird thing is, after I went back on 5 mg of Finasteride in May, that skin growth on my head started disappearing.
Jamie
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 6/8/2017 9:11:03 AM
To: "Alexa Tsoulis-Reay" <findingnorms@gmail.com>
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Subject: Academia's Token Baseball Player
You know what this reminds me of? The time I went to a pistol range in the military for annual weapons qualification and got to watch a male senior NCO get placed on each side of a
female company commander who couldn't qualify with her .45 pistol. The NCO's shot the targets for her and nobody said a thing.
---------------------------------------
This is Hofheimer's first full season since tee ball, but New Roads is small enough there was room for him on varsity. His teammates know his history, but pay far more attention to his hitting
and fielding.
"Yeah, we know Jake is different," teammate Brandon Deutsch said, shrugging. "We know he hasn't played very much."
He doesn't throw well, so they position themselves closer to catch his tosses. He is still figuring out how to hit, so they loudly cheer for him when he's batting as if trying to coax the ball to hit
the bat.
He's never an all-star, but he's always part of the team, hanging in the dugout spitting seeds with the dudes, backslapping and high-fiving and cracking up at the schoolboy jokes. His best
moments are not giant home runs or diving catches, but the little instances of proper recognition, words that now empower him and never get old.
"C'mon boy!" they shout. "You can do it, man!"
He's the smallest (5 feet 4) and least-skilled player on the team, but when he tucks his blue cap low over his curly hair and pulls his pant legs low on his cleats, he looks and feels like a
ballplayer.
When he can't make the throw from second to home, the catcher takes a few steps toward the infield. When he's struggling at the plate, theyrock the dugout fence and yell tips.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-transgender-baseball-plaschke-20160410-column.html
And then glamorized in this law piece with all the bad stuff omitted.
http://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1361&context=mslj
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 6/8/2017 8:58:14 AM
To: "Lisa Marchiano" <timetodream14@gmail.com>
Cc:
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Subject: Academia's Token Baseball Player
This is Hofheimer's first full season since tee ball, but New Roads is small enough there was room for him on varsity. His teammates know his history, but pay far more attention to his hitting
and fielding.
"Yeah, we know Jake is different," teammate Brandon Deutsch said, shrugging. "We know he hasn't played very much."
He doesn't throw well, so they position themselves closer to catch his tosses. He is still figuring out how to hit, so they loudly cheer for him when he's batting as if trying to coax the ball to hit
the bat.
He's never an all-star, but he's always part of the team, hanging in the dugout spitting seeds with the dudes, backslapping and high-fiving and cracking up at the schoolboy jokes. His best
moments are not giant home runs or diving catches, but the little instances of proper recognition, words that now empower him and never get old.
"C'mon boy!" they shout. "You can do it, man!"
He's the smallest (5 feet 4) and least-skilled player on the team, but when he tucks his blue cap low over his curly hair and pulls his pant legs low on his cleats, he looks and feels like a
ballplayer.
When he can't make the throw from second to home, the catcher takes a few steps toward the infield. When he's struggling at the plate, theyrock the dugout fence and yell tips.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-transgender-baseball-plaschke-20160410-column.html
And then glamorized in this law piece with all the bad stuff omitted.
http://digitalcommons.law.villanova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1361&context=mslj
Sent: 1/18/2020 7:15:48 PM
To: "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>,
"Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
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Subject: ACLU
So the ACLU is giving out your home phone number, Fred?
“The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislator’s home and office numbers."
https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-criminalizing-underage-gender-treatments/
On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 08:55:11 AM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-economic-development/4503457002/
Fred
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From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/23/2019 9:02:39 AM
To: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck"
<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "hansen.jonathon@gmail.com"
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>,
"pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Cc:
Subject: Amici brief for SCOTUS
Attachments: Amicus SCOTUS Harris. 18-107 Amicus BOM National Medical and Policy Groups - Filed Version.pdf
Hola, Team SD.
I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici
for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not that hard to
disprove, IMHO. Itâ€™s the best I think weâ€™ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and
not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications involving this, as he is job
hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our
names do not appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Donâ€™t fear the page count, citations
run up through page 18.
C
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Sent: 8/19/2019 8:16:38 AM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
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Subject: Blanchard Reference Article
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Rep. Deutsch,
This is a good article for you to hold onto for the fight ahead. Blanchard is a world-renowned expert and he doesn't recommend approving surgery until age 21, so your bill is more than
generous in that regard.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/ray-blanchard-transgender-orthodoxy/
On Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:50:42 AM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Dissonant is not a word I typically use, so I’ll throw it out to the group. Does dissonant work? - Fred
From: Mary E. McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>;
Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt
<msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: RE: update
How about dissonant?
Mary E. McAlister, Esq.

Senior Litigation Counsel
Child & Parental Rights Campaign, Inc.
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873
mmcalister@childparentrights.org
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From: Lee Schoenbeck

To: Andre Van Mol; Fred Deutsch
Cc: Kelsey Coalition; Cretella Michelle; Shupe Jamie; Jon Uhler; VBroyles; Laidlaw Michael; Jon Hansen; William Malone; Mary McAlister; Mast Richard; Heyer Walt; Sharp Matt; Chris Motz;
michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: RE: update
“incorrect” draws more flys – because of its judgmental nature (I’m ok with being judgmental – others not so much) – is there something that’s more objective – worth figuring that out
Lee Schoenbeck, Attorney

Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
1200 Mickelson Dr., #310
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
lee@schoenbecklaw.com
schoenbecklaw.com
From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>

To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>;
VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>;
Subject: Re: update
Fred,
The phrase “incorrect perception of their sex” grounds the bill in the material, the biological, physical reality, which makes it far easier to defend against the “who are you to say?“ people.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

All, what do you think about KC’s suggest to add incorrect to the sentence: “...attempting to change or affirm the child’s incorrect perception of their sex.”
I like the idea – I think it helps to further narrow the bill and avoids causing problems with other medical conditions. But does adding the word cause add’l problems? The other side will certainly argue “who are
you to say what’s an incorrect perception?” The answer, of course, is if perception varies from reality, than it is an incorrect perception (the bill’s definition of sex is reality). That said, the process is political.
Does the change cast doubt in the mind of legislators about who is to say what’s an incorrect perception? - Fred
From: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>

To: Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>
Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>;
Subject: Re: update
Fred, thank you for your tireless work! I'd like to suggest clarifying this sentence by adding the word "incorrect" -- “...attempting to change or affirm the child’s incorrect perception of their sex.” Otherwise,
professionals who use the proper pronouns for children who have a correct perception of their sex would be in violation. ~KC
On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:30 PM Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com> wrote:

Amen
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

That’s why I’m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find
candidates seeking election that hit the road, but it’s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators we’re serious,
and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 8:14 PM
Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>;
Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt
<msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for
such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. It’s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the
actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch
bewildering.
Andre
The key to the entire bill is the language “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex,” with sex defined as “the biological state of
being female or male.”
We have to be able to explain the application.
So let’s say we have a teenage girl:

1. She perceives she is a boy.
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a boy.
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (I’m
not sure this is applicable. Thoughts?)
2. She perceives she is a girl.
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This
scenario would mean there is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This
Please let me know what you think - Fred

To: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>;
Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the “the biological state…” quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side
will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be
disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological
state of being female or male,
based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who
perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex
can change before or after birth ...
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:29 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
My opinion is to cover your bases in the mentioned line as well. I think that sentence is too ambiguous and
should get reworded.
It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception
of their sex is female?
I like what Andre suggested, but recommend changing natal to biological, based on court language.
On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 10:19:46 PM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex
organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.
Don’t you think that covers it? - Fred

From: Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:16 PM
To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; 'Jon Hansen' <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe
(Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle
Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Thanks for all your work.
All, just a note to update you on status of the Vulnerable Child Protection Act.
I’m comfortable the bill and white paper are at or near final form.
I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve
spoken with so far has a clue about what’s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in
2016, the state and the governor experienced political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any
different.
I meet with the governor’s top policy advisor next week to discuss the bill.
I’ve targeted about 20% of the legislature to meet one-on-one prior to session.
KC from Kelsey Coalition will be developing her suggested strategy for testimony that I’ll bounce off our South Dakota team.
As always, please do not share this with media. The longer we can fly under the radar, the better.
Please let me know if you have questions. I am grateful for your support and prayers.
Fred
--
www.KelseyCoalition.org
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/23/2020 10:52:19 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: CNN article
Saw the CNN article you put on Twitter. This will be the evidence used against us on Monday as we debate the issue on the floor. How do you suggest we respond? - Fred
From: Margaret Clarke
Sent: 2/12/2020 1:19:48 PM
Cc:
Subject: CONFICENTIAL
James, the Alabama Campaign starts next Tuesday. We will be lobbying all week and then drop the bill next Thursday
the 20th. We expect huge opposition at that point. We already have commitments from both houses to coordinate the
hearings on Wednesday the 26th. PLEAE KEEP THIS CONFIDENTIAL…BUT PRAY LIKE CRAZY!!!
Under His Wings,

Margaret
On Feb 10, 2020, at 8:06 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
Thank you as well, Margaret, for your kind words and support.
I prayed for Fred and the rest of you yesterday that have been willing to take on this big fight.
Fred's facing another hearing today, and I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with all of you on this important
issue. You're not wrong about this, it really is what needs to happen to protect these children and their parents.
Blessings,
James
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 09:00:15 AM EST, Margaret Clarke wrote:
Good morning James,
Thank you for your precious message of redemption. I am leading a coalition her in Alabama to adopt a bill similar
to Rep. Fred Deutsch’s. He and Michelle have been coaching us. You will be on our prayer list. It is so encouraging
to see the genuine work of the Lord in your heart and your courage to admit failure. More importantly that Jesus
Christ is the sole help of you heart and sole. Heart change is the greatest miracle of all!! Your testimony gives
God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,

Margaret
Margaret Clarke, General Counsel

Eagle Forum of Alabama
Leading the pro-family movement since 1972
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Sent: 3/13/2019 5:46:38 AM
To: jamie.shupe@yahoo.com
Cc: media@womensliberationfront.org
Subject: Connecting Kara and Jamie
Hi Jamie,
So great to connect with you just now on Twitter. CC'd on this email is my friend Kara Dansky who coordinates media for and is on the board of Women's Liberation Front. She is an
attorney here in Washington, DC, was one of the feminists on the Heritage panel in late January that you referenced in your recent interview with Laura Ingraham, and is one of the most
articulate people I know who gets the gender identity issue inside and out, especially as it pertains to law and public policy.
The article you penned in the Daily Signal this week was quite compelling. I'll be sending you a subsequent email, but I'll let you and Kara take it from here and chat.
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
Sent: 8/24/2019 9:42:06 AM
To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>,
"Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Detransitioner Amici brief for SCOTUS
All,
With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit an amicus.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18-107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.
James
On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:02:55 PM EDT, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Hola, Team SD.

I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not
that hard to disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications involving
this, as he is job hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the
page count, citations run up through page 18.
Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post, several bloggers already posted, other cool stuff, etc.
https://cmda.org/reinforcing-childrens-sexual-identity-a-review-of-ellie-klipps-i-dont-have-to-choose/
Andre
Sent: 1/18/2020 3:18:12 PM
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
"Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
Bcc:
Subject: Dr. Cantor AAP Fact Check Document
This document might be worthwhile in the debate.
American Academy of Pediatrics and trans- kids: Fact-checking Rafferty (2018)
http://www.jamescantor.org/uploads/6/2/9/3/62939641/cantor_fact-check_of_aap.pdf
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/23/2019 4:16:26 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "'Jon Hansen'" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck"
<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>,
"Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
Cc:
Subject: Draft revision received today
Attachments: Vulnerable youth protection act- August 23.pdf
All, attached is an updated version of the bill I received today. The explanation of changes is below.
Let me know what you think - Fred

Rep. Deutsch,
Attached is an updated version. Here are some changes that I made:
• Catchlines were added
• It is specified where the sections will be added to the code
• Removed “child” from the definitions and then just specified “a person age fifteen or younger” on page 1 line 27. Then using “person” throughout for consistency.
• Under our style and form manual “his or her” is not used, so the draft uses “the person’s” instead
• Section 2, subsection 3 was changed per your recommendations
• Page 2, line 17 it says “a person born with [. . .]” The person making the medical decision for someone age 15 or younger would be their parent or guardian.
Let me know if you have any questions. I will be the office tomorrow morning if you need to contact me.
Thanks,
Alex Timperley
Legislative Attorney
South Dakota Legislative Research Council
605-773-3251
Attachment:
From: Michael Laidlaw
Sent: 1/16/2020 2:39:45 PM
To: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David
Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Endo Society weighs in
Attachments: endo-blockers.PNG
Well Fred,
The Endocrine Society has jumped into the mix. I attached a screen shot.
Here is a link to my quick response.
https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD/status/1217934249845637120
Mike
Sent: 10/28/2019 3:31:17 PM
To: "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Endocrine Society's Latest Slime
Have you guys seen this garbage that just got released?
"Endocrine Society urges policymakers to follow science on transgender health"
"Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity.
There do not seem to be external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender identity. The Endocrine
Society called for policies to reflect this reality in our position statement on transgender health."
So what exactly is the science?
Following the trail leads to their position statement:
https://www.endocrine.org/advocacy/priorities-and-positions/transgender-health
Saraswat A, et al. Evidence Supporting the Biologic Nature of Gender Identity. Endocr Pract. 2015 Feb;21(2): 199-
204.
So who authored the study?
No surprises to find Joshua Safer but who's this Jamie Weinand guy?
https://journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP14351.RA
A transgender man...
"Jamie Weinand is a fourth-year med student and a trans man."
https://tgforum.com/the-week-in-trans-32717/
Seem Kristina Olson can't find the evidence:
"Thus, whereas the topic is an active line of work in many research laboratories around the world, definitive
conclusions about genetic and neural correlates of gender identity remain elusive."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-sex-and-gender-collide/
Attachment:
From: Richard Mast
Sent: 1/22/2020 10:07:48 AM
To: "afsabatini@gmail.com" <afsabatini@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@LC.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy
Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>,
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: Florida House - Vulnerable Child Protection Act
Attachments: HB1365.pdf
All,
Please meet Rep. Anthony Sabatini. His legislative assistant’s email is below.
Anthony is requesting any experts, particularly MDs, in favor of HB 1365 VCPA to send him letters stating their opinions, which can be sent via the .gov email addresses below.
He is also requesting any available experts to appear and give personal testimony.
He believes the FL VCPA HB 1365 will be heard in Committee Week 3 or 4 at the Health Quality subcommittee – most likely Wednesday, January 29, 2019; or Wednesday, February 5.
If you are willing to appear or send a letter, please contact Anthony on his cell, below, or at afsabotini@gmail.com.
Richard L. Mast, Esq.*

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
Offices in DC, FL, and VA
*Licensed in Virginia
From: Carter, Jason <Jason.Carter@myfloridahouse.gov>

Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:24 PM
To: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>
Cc: Sabatini, Anthony <Anthony.Sabatini@myfloridahouse.gov>; McClain, Matthew <McClain.Matthew@flsenate.gov>
Subject: Florida House Bill 615 - Vulnerable Child Protection Act
Good Afternoon Mr. Mast,

Rep. Sabatini is sponsoring this bill in the Florida House and we are trying to compile a list of experts that could advocate in support of this bill. We are trying to compile a list of scientific or medical
experts. I look forward to hearing from you and please reach out to Rep. Sabatini directly on his cell phone if you would like (352) 455-2928. Looking forward to hearing from you! Have a great rest of
the day!
Respectfully,
Jason Lee Carter, Esq.

Legislative Assistant to Anthony Sabatini
Florida House of Representatives, District 32
(850) 717-5032
Attachment:
Sent: 2/2/2020 5:23:40 PM
To: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Florida Legislature
Attachments: HB1365.Testimony.James.Shupe.signed.pdf
Dr. Laidlaw,
I don't yet if they'll enter this into the record tomorrow during testimony but they asked me to write something.
I gave your Public Discourse article about Jazz a mention.
Blessings,
James
Sent: 1/13/2020 7:08:05 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn
Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>,
"Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com"
Bcc:
Subject: Florida's Child Protection Act
All,
Florida's Senator Baxley has filed the Vulnerable Child Protection Act.
Not seeing it reported in the media yet from any mainstream sources.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2020/1864/BillText/Filed/HTML
Blessings,
James
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:45:37 AM
To: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Scott Newgent"
<scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David
Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc:
Subject: FW: ACLU of SD opposes bill that would criminalize medically necessary care for transgender youth
Attachments: image003.png
We will need to respond to the suicidal thoughts quote. Who is best qualified on our team? Bernie? - Fred
From: Janna Farley <jfarley@aclu.org>

Subject: ACLU of SD opposes bill that would criminalize medically necessary care for transgender youth
Date: January 15, 2020 at 12:11:18 PM CST
To: Chapter Media <ChapterMedia@aclu.org>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Jan. 15, 2020

MEDIA CONTACT: Janna Farley, jfarley@aclu.org or 605-366-7732
ACLU of South Dakota opposes House Bill 1057

The ACLU of South Dakota opposes House Bill 1057, a bill that would criminalize doctors for providing medically necessary care for transgender youth.
The bill, which was introduced Tuesday, would make it a felony for medical providers to treat youth consistent with evidence-based treatment protocols. HB 1057 continues the streak of bills that
would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health care choices around the provision
of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a patient, not politicians.
â€œTransgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into adulthood,â€ said Libby Skarin,
policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. â€œWhen the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their care, they lose those opportunities.â€
By blocking medical care supported by every major medical association, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association, the legislature is compromising the
health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal
thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health.
No other state has passed a law like HB 1057. It is unconstitutional to single out one group of people and categorically ban all care, no matter how medically necessary.
â€œEvery year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed,â€ Skarin says. â€œThe more
we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. Itâ€™s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter to the people of South Dakota. Discrimination
against a marginalized group is a distraction from the stateâ€™s real needs and hurts us all.â€
About the ACLU of South Dakota

Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our stateâ€™s people and communities. As new laws are created and others repealed
or written, itâ€™s important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of civil liberties and civil rights.
The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is supported by staff in those states.
The ACLU believes freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and religion, and the rights to due process, equal protection and privacy, are fundamental to a free people. In addition, the ACLU seeks to
advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ communities. The ACLU of South Dakota carries out its work
through selective litigation, lobbying at the state and local level, and through public education and awareness of what the Bill of Rights means for the people of South Dakota.
###
From: Sandy Shupe
Sent: 11/11/2017 10:55:27 AM
To: "Jamie Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Fw: Ann Schelbe asked me to contact you
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
Begin forwarded message:

On Monday, March 17, 2014, 10:51 PM, Sandy Shupe <sc6463@yahoo.com> wrote:
Myself and some of the other local girls see Dr. Charles Yahr for facial electrolysis. It's expensive but he's certified and the best in entire area.
This is a good link to explain the different types:
http://www.gendercentre.org.au/resources/fact-sheets/old/electrolysis-information.htm
http://www.yahrelectrolysis.com/
This shows who is actually certified in Pa.
http://electrology.com/find.html?st=0&state=PA
I never wasted any time of money on laser because it's not permanent hair removal. Some of my friends started laser, but gave it up and have switched to
electrolysis for that reason.
I can seriously relate to being a loner over this. I was myself for most of my life because of being trans and also because of childhood sexual abuse. My transition
involved coming to terms with both. I'm not out to my parents due to their conservative values and advanced age. I actually moved to Pittsburgh from Maryland
to distance myself from family. Same goes for my siblings. It's a big source of pain for me that I'm still coming to terms with. My wife and college age daughter
both know of course, and I'm out in the trans community.
Cattivo is the most popular meeting place for the trans community:
http://www.cattivo.biz/
"Garden of Peace Project" does "Transition Thursdays" each Thursday evening at 10 p.m. Most of us that are going to come tend to show up earlier than that.
It's not a big crowd, but a chance to meet people, and the faces change quite often. My wife and I normal get there around 7:30 to 8:00 p.m. Strange, but it's
actually in a residential neighborhood. No parking meters, but sometimes tough late in the evenings, but early arrival is pretty easy to find something.
http://www.gardenofpeaceproject.org/transition-project.html
A large number of people including myself and my wife go to Metro Family Practice and see Dr. Aiken. She's amazing. Treats people so well my wife even
decided to become a patient there for her needs.
If you ever feel the need to talk or ask something anonymously, this is a great place:
http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/new/
Just create a regular or anonymous throwaway id and ask away. Lots of good advice and friendly people there.
That's what comes to mind for now.
Let me know if you want to join us some Thursday evening at Cat's. You can come dressed or in boy-mode, whatever you feel comfortable with.
Jamie
From: Joshua Stoehr <irishknight01@msn.com>

To: Sandy Shupe <sc6463@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Ann Schelbe asked me to contact you
Thanks for contacting me! I have been dealing with this since i was little with no one to help but my old neighbors mom. My own parents didn't even know until recently.
I have given up caring what people say so im going for what i need to do. I have no idea where to go or what to do around here. I see Anne and she refereed me to a doctor i will
see on Friday. I also go to Ideal Image for the hair removal, which was refereed to me by my dermatologist. I know zero places to meet people like us, I have been a loner my
entire life because of this. Any info that you wish to send my way would be greatly appreciated!
~Mikalya~
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:48:33 -0700

From: sc6463@yahoo.com
Subject: Ann Schelbe asked me to contact you
To: irishknight01@msn.com
Hi Mikalya,
My name is Jamie Shupe, I'm a transgender woman. I also see Ann and she asked me to contact you.
As for a little about me, my wife and I moved to Pittsburgh in November, 2013. I'm an Army retiree and I began transitioning at age 49. Thirteen
months ago I started HRT.
I wanted to reach out and see if there is anything transition related that I can help you with?
I've been active in the trans community here in Pittsburgh since moving here, so I'm pretty knowledgeable about what the medical and transition
resources are, and where people hang out etc.
Feel free to contact me with anything you need help with and I'll do my best to point you in the right direction, or assist you personally.
Jamie
P.S: Tomorrow's a big day, I have my final court hearing for my name change.
(Sandy is my wife. We share this email address)

From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/13/2019 6:55:11 AM
To: "media@womensliberationfront.org" <media@womensliberationfront.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Fw: Connecting Kara and Jamie
Hi Kara,
Please reach out for anything that I can be of assistance with.
On the same token, I've been looking for some legal help over Social Security forcing me to identify my male sex as a gender since I've desisted. If you can point me anywhere on that It
would be greatly appreciated. I'll forward the documents.
Looking forward to speaking with you.
Jamie
----- Forwarded Message -----

From: brandon.showalter@christianpost.com <brandon.showalter@christianpost.com>
To: "jamie.shupe@yahoo.com" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc: "media@womensliberationfront.org" <media@womensliberationfront.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019, 9:46:42 AM EDT
Hi Jamie,
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/25/2020 7:06:55 AM
Cc:
Subject: FW: HB1057 House Floor Vote
Suggestions how to respond? - Fred

From: Astrid Huetson <foehunter462@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 7:46 AM
Subject: HB1057 House Floor Vote
I have written and rewritten this letter innumerable times and I fear that there will be not “right” way to wordsmith this. I implore you to please vote “No” on HB1057 when it goes to the House Floor.
This bill is particularly sinister when examined in detail. The BLUF is that South Dakota 2020 House Bill (HB) 1057 makes it illegal for a medical professional to offer gender affirming surgery or hormone
therapy to any child under the age of 16.
As a transgender woman who chose to stay in South Dakota when I retired, I feel that I can offer some genuine insight into the “concerns” this bill is addressing. I will give them the benefit of a doubt and
assume that they didn’t know the truth behind their actions, kind of like doing the wrong thing for the right reasons scenario.
This in direct conflict with research from 2019 which found that transgender children’s gender identity is just as “real” (my word) as that of cisgender children. (1,2) Just as you knew that you “were” a boy or a
girl as a child, a transgender child knows that they are a boy or girl as well. They weren’t coerced, trained or brought up to think that, it is just a fact that they know to be true in their mind.
This was submitted as the “Vulnerable Child Protection Act” in an attempt to pull at the “think of the poor defenseless children” emotional angle. In reality, this bill is exactly the opposite. Transgender
children suffer immense mental anguish as they develop through puberty as their body develops in direct opposition to the mind. This leads to a near constant questioning of why they are different and
unable to find solace in their physical body like their peers. Unfortunately this leads to an disproportionately high suicide attempt rate. Estimates are as high as 50% for transgender boys and 30% for
transgender girls. (3). I can attest that being on Hormone Replacement Therapy has literally been a life saver. The mental static is erased and peace can finally be found as the brain is no longer being
“poisoned” by the body pumping it full of a hormone cocktail that is incompatible. Imagine being in a constant state of physical pain and then feeling the wave of relief as the pain management medication
finally takes hold. This is not an exaggeration of how significant the feeling is.
This bill also included a ban on gender affirming surgery. No surgeon in SD will perform such a surgery on a minor now, nor will any insurance cover such a procedure. Including this in the bill is nothing more
than a dog whistle for people to rally behind to “protect” the children from the specter of regretting transitioning. The VAST majority (97.8%) of adults who transitioned as a child have absolutely no regrets for
their transition (4).
In summary, this bill does absolutely nothing to protect transgender children and will only serve to take away any treatment options. These decisions are extremely personal and should only be made
between the (1) patient/minor (2) guardian/parent and (3) medical professional. The state has no business interfering with this. There are enough measures in place already to triple-check that the proposed
treatment is the most appropriate course of action.
-Astrid Huetson
(1) Eckart, Kim. 11.18.19. “Among transgender children, gender identity as strong as in cisgender children, study shows.” University of Washington News.
https://www.washington.edu/news/2019/11/18/among-transgender-children-gender-identity-as-strong-as-in-cisgender-children-study-shows/
(2) Yong, Ed. 1.15.19. “Young Trans Children Know Who They Are.” The Atlantic. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/young-trans-children-know-who-they-are/580366/
(3) “Transgender Children & Youth: Understanding the Basics.” Human Rights Campaign Website. https://www.hrc.org/resources/transgender-children-and-youth-understanding-the-basics
(4) Dhejne, Cecilia & Oberg, Katarina & Arver, Stefan & Landén, Mikael. (2014). An Analysis of All Applications for Sex Reassignment Surgery in Sweden, 1960-2010: Prevalence, Incidence, and Regrets. Archives
of sexual behavior. 43. 10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8.
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Cc:
Bcc:
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From: Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
To: jamie.shupe@yahoo.com <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020, 06:44:24 PM EDT
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for
I was not aware of that until after the fact when you told me.
Many people still do not know what to do with the people and this is an example.
Walt
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:36 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it readily apparent that I'm still highly pissed about what I would describe as getting blindsided upon learning that Fred's plan was to have trans-identifying people, who's position was
that it was medically necessary for them to transition, to testify for his bill?
Yeah, I'm still pissed about that stupid idea. Had I known that was the plan, I wouldn't have gotten involved.
On Saturday, March 21, 2020, 11:47:09 AM EDT, Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com> wrote:
The surgeon who performed over 4000 surgeries admitted no one "transitions"
In a California Court Document I have.
Some of the contents of the document:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/02/21/sex-change-isnt-surgically-possible-my-surgeon-testified-in-court/
Walt
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
Fred,
I've wrestled with whether or not I should bite my tongue or in a military-style "after actions review" kinda way, I should chime in with how I saw things play out.
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected
and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the
legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to
somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's
lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they
most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults
transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the
creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters,
prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex
because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in regard to how they
navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with
autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just
hope they come at it differently.
For those of you that haven't updated my email address yet, please change it to james.shupe.fl@gmail.com
I'm legally back to James now, so it's time to put Jamie to rest, forever. Jamie was a failed medical and psychiatric experiment, nothing more.
Blessings,
James
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM EDT, Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com> wrote:
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs more
state legislators like you. – Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.
From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>

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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD
<TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>;
sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national pressure to veto. Any support that can be communicated is helpful: governor@gov.idaho.gov
Here is a link to my Facebook page where I posted my comments, as I provided them to CNN, along with a link to their 'news coverage' of H509. https://www.facebook.com/YoungForIdahoHouse/
Thank you again for your help and support in this effort. Prayers for the governor and his staff now!
Julianne Young
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30
on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they are
not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but
the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:13 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

It has been confirmed that we will get a hearing toward the beginning of next week.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:49 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and
suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to
think about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:50 PM <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. This must be personalized!
Stories - not facts - move people to act!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can
personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave
birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-markers-on-birth-certificates
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many
lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 02:48:38 PM EST, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to
their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org> wrote:
> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which
violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm
classmates are girls when they are boys.
>
> Mary E. McAlister, Esq.
> Senior Litigation Counsel
> Child & Parental Rights Campaign
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
> mmcalister@childparentrights.org
> childparentrights.org
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling
party to party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
>>
>> Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents:
That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult
daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
>>>
>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House Members' emails here:
>>> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>>>
>>> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is
uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this
testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her
testimony). She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally
because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued
that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a
position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't
have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
>>>>
>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing.
There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
>>>>
>>>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>>>
>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but
establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including
on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of
these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the
courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that
sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live
online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of
accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we
fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday
and are working toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8k-zehU6_j9JN-iHbG5-
NV1LeQrlddM3Cryl_LXzFw/edit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing
will be a week from Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full
hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on
plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am
sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on
securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive
determination of male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external
reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as
stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the
larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their
comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to
make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken
place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled
in court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho
Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both?
Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of
thousands of individuals *to the risk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the
quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with
them to that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the
debate. If the other side’s language frames the debate, we lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie
Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe
(Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh
Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological
sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some
feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital
statistics in most instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical
authority?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We
included this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations
to resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying
a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I
am Zero!”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your
mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in
science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I
believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary
individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some
additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide
vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing
risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex
which has been consistently applied since our nation's founding.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment
under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the
implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender
Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying
individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the
area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of
public and private policies and contracts.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely
constitutes a breach of the public trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions
which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date
of birth, place of birth and biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate
protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth
certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and
thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
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by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be guaranteed secure or error-free.
We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those
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Subject: Fw: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoin
Okay, forwarding it to Natasha.
James

From: QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net>
To: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:54:49 PM EST
Subject: Re: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoin
Yes- this is the article she authored and it was published about the same time she was interviewed in Pediatric News touting GnRH agonist therapy as an accepted practice for trans kids
who have just entered puberty. Thanks for digging around.
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 5:16 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is this it, Quentin?
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/137/4/e20154366.full.pdf
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:05:43 PM EST, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
It will take some digging because it was in a "throwaway" publication like Pediatric News.
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 4:40 PM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have a link for that, please?

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 4:32 PM QUENTIN VAN METER < kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe
autism because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans
kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 2:23 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being
used on sex offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 2:19 PM, Natasha Chart
< natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no
directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that
considered a humane end goal of treatment.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a
disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette
Vernadette R. Broyles, Esq.

President and General Counsel
5805 State Bridge Rd., Suite G310

Johns Creek, GA 30097
770.448.4525
vbroyles@childparentrights.org
www.childparentrights.org
On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable
class of person who needs to be sterilized as children.
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard
Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky
(former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU
is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children,
but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is
no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no disease
to be treated — that is child abuse.
When would you need this?
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Very well stated Mary.

On a different note, I have this new thread dispelling the "wrong puberty"
argument.
-Mike
On 2020-01-16 07:08, Mary McAlister wrote:

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary
sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically
consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the
knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The
Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults
cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court
order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary
sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are
without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from
other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that
"transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical
experiments as do other children.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart <
natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM <

drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and
repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question
or accusation. That is the bottom line here.
We must be bull dogs on this fact and
principle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM,

Kelsey Coalition <
kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
wrote:
No doctor or parent has a right

to subject a child to a life-
altering medical experiment with
unknown long-term
consequences. Without this ban
in place, SD will follow what is
already happening in other
states: minors who successfully
sue in court to obtain this
supposedly "life-saving" medical
intervention. And when they
grow up with irreversible regret,
who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to
prevent custody battles. We
have several parents who have
reached out to the KC because
of a former spouse who is intent
on medicalizing their child.
Finding an attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as finding a
therapist. And even when they
do, who knows how a judge will
rule? Banning these procedures
will take these serious medical
decisions away from misinformed
judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving
medically necessary intervention
is the big unchallenged domino
that is driving both the legal and
medical scandal. This is an oft-
repeated claim with no support
and it must be confronted
directly.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47

PM Natasha Chart <
natasha.chart@gmail.com>
wrote:
The ACLU have done
as much as anyone
could to make sure
it's impossible to
define a class of
persons under these
laws.
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2020, 5:22 PM <
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Cc:
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Subject: Fw: Request For A Standards Of Care Document By ACPeds
Attachments: Andrea CAGLE Plaintiff-Appellant v UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Defendant-Appellee.doc
Mr. Brooks,
I just sent this off to Dr. Cretella, but I think it's something ADF might want to get involved in to help get authored as well if possible.
Thanks!
James Shupe

From: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
To: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2019, 05:26:11 PM EST
Subject: Request For A Standards Of Care Document By ACPeds
Hello Dr. Cretella,
I wanted to reach out and see if the medical association you are involved with would consider authoring a "standards of care" for people suffering from gender issues?
As you well know, WPATH has one, which is going to cause problems for litigants who have been harmed by gender ideology.
The following court document is provided for your review to show the need for such a document.
My best,
James Shupe

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Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019, 12:42:40 PM EDT
Subject: Andrea CAGLE, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Defendant-Appellee.
Bob Sullivan sent you content from Westlaw.
Please see the attached file.
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Citation: 2018 WL 816387
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Note: James: The key language is "breach of the applicable standard of care". This is a brief filed by the VA in a recent Med Mal case in Florida. It is not a perfect resource, but it does show you some of the arguments you
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From: Vernadette Broyles
Sent: 10/30/2019 7:40:08 AM
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<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Brooks
Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Keller Jonathan" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Burt Greg" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Laura Haynes"
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
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Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of weeks ago,
released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this legislative session in Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all
should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple district within the
city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and
courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s
working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County
(weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around
the country.
Quentin â€” May need your help on Pickens County - will be in touch.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

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From: Julianne Young
Sent: 2/5/2020 4:53:53 PM
To: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary
McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>,
"Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>
Cc:
Subject: Fwd: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
Attachments: Vital Statistics draft (3).pdf
I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a
much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to
you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can
work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to
hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate
that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing the
appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and
external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years
or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential
for an open-ended indeterminate status.
Thoughts on this idea?
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but
I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would
appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have
attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked
that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to
(4) are straightforward.
They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal
analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that
analysis and evaluation.
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three
years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements
should that be the case?
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to those
who are providing review on this!
Representative Young

Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our Department of
Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:

The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.

Liberty Counsel
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Orlando, FL 32854
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Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PM
Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or the
'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to what.
I think that works.

Liberty Counsel
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Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote as follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in health
care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify,
and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames the
debate, we lose.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
To: Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret
Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47
to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the
bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the
process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital
They have raised 2 other good questions:
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we
want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status
within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an
unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the
recommendations to resolve this?
I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.

Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:

Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no
other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre
abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the
nomenclature of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A
penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not
exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female
so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific,
and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH
On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the
reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point,
without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender
identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an
umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms
offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL
persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:

This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our
legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the
performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently
applied since our nation's founding.
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category
of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which
have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the
conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended
medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of
transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
“Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies and
contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public trust;
and
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics;
and,
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and
biological sex.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent
court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex,
along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical experts).
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for
any input for Julianne and Steve.
There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to Rep. Young.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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From: Michelle Cretella
Sent: 1/10/2020 10:16:00 AM
To: "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Fwd: idea to send to pringle on GIRL Act
YOU may have SALVAGED THIS. see below:

They are also going to get a well worded act from another state to him!
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From: Becky <Becky@alabamaeagle.org>
Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:57 PM
Subject: idea to send to pringle on GIRL Act
To: Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, alaeagle@charter.net <alaeagle@charter.net>, Michelle Cretella
What about something like this to him?
Hi Rep Pringle, I wanted to reach out and thank you for sponsoring the GIRL Act. I wasn’t sure if you pre-filed it yet. The transgender issue is one that Eagle Forum has heavily researched
and been involved with for some time. We are working on another important piece of legislation dealing with the medical side of transitioning. We want to do our best to educate the public
and lawmakers on the inconsistent history of gender identity and in the harm of using the word gender instead of sex.
Here is a quote from www.GenderResourceGuide.com that you might find helpful. Gender proposes a conception of human identity that is chosen, fluid,
and not objectively verifiable. Gender can directly contradict sex, the observable and unchangeable biological status of being
either male or female. A gender identity policy will, for example, typically allow students to enter restrooms regardless of
their sex, or how well a student adheres to stereotypes of the opposite sex, demonstrating that these policies do not consider
gender to be either sex, sex stereotypes, or behavioral aspects of sex. To prevent confusion, avoid the term “gender” and use
the term “sex” instead.
Please know we are here to help you and we applaud your efforts. We ask that you would consider revising your language to say biological sex vs gender. I think you will like this terrific
resource that will help you in your talking points to other legislators. If you would like us to provide a bound copy for you we would be happy to.
Feel free to call me anytime. We are here to help. Thanks again!
Becky Gerritson
Executive Director
334-452-0453
Becky@alabamaeagle.org
www.AlabamaEagle.org
Sent: 1/10/2020 9:04:20 AM
To: "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Fwd: Sex Not Gender
FYI
BTW: I will try to correct your name in my google contacts ... I'm a self-described technophobic technotard so ...
be patient w me :0)

From: Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Sex Not Gender
Cc: Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>, Becky <Becky@alabamaeagle.org>
Thank you Michelle. We did not know that this bill was on the table. We have plans to contact the
Senator\Represenative involved.. Unfortunately, as you know, I am leaving the country and may not be able to do
anything until I get back. I will copy Eunie and Becky on this warning. Thanks so much. God bless you,
Margaret Clarke
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 10, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Margaret,
I hope that your AL Eagle Forum can educate legislators and I will mention the importance of language at the
St. Louis Meeting. This is unfortunate re: AL "GIRL ACT" (see below by James Shupe - the former first legally
recognized "non-binary" American who came to embrace reality and Christ, and just won the legal right to
change his legal sex designation back to male). I am not sure we can correct the GIRL ACT (I've not been able
to give that thought yet).
In a nutshell: Sex is real, physical ... gender is SUBJECTIVE heavily rooted in sex stereotypes - we can have
feminine appearing men; masculine appearing women but sex trumps gender in sports (and reality generally).
Gender is a poisonous word.
Best,
Michelle

Subject: Sex Not Gender
All,
Speaking of legislative issues. Please do your best to educate lawmakers and others in the harm of using the word gender instead of sex.
This is Exhibit A from yesterday's news: “Gender is Real Legislative (GIRL) Act”
https://www.al.com/news/2020/01/alabama-lawmaker-aims-to-keep-transgender-athletes-off-school-teams.html
I shared this with Roger Brooks earlier.

The legal definition of gender only listed “masculine, feminine or neuter” to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the Tuesday
opinion said.
The appellate panel instead based its reasoning on the dictionary meaning of the word “gender” in 1988, which limited the meaning to “sex,” or the “biological roles of male and female.”
To assume that the 1988 use of “gender” in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals “strains credulity” and so the law cannot be applied to Steuball’s case, Gadola
wrote.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/01/08/michigan-appeals-panel-ethnic-intimidation-law-does-not-protect-transgender/2844368001/
Similarly, as training materials are produced, it would be great to create some stuff about the dirty and inconsistent history of gender identity to educate lawmakers and give
them talking points, something I've come to believe many policymaker are not familiar with.
I've started plugging all the inconsistent definitions of gender identity into this site of mine.
We've gone from the John Money days of transsexuals having a gender identity to it now being claimed that well have a gender identity. Then around 2011, the other 80 or so
flavors of gender started getting unleashed and backed by the APA, etc.
https://sites.google.com/view/genderidentitydefinitions/gender-identity-definitions?authuser=0
The language matters. Every time we use the words gender or gender identity we are advancing the ideology as real and legit Apologies if I come off as preaching on this one,
but I'm proof of the harm.
Blessings,
James
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 2/11/2019 12:59:39 PM
To: "docdrlaidlaw@gmail.com" <docdrlaidlaw@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Greetings!
Hello Dr. Laidlaw,
Thanks for the kind words. I'm in Twitter jail today and can't use my account. Twitter locked my account for saying
that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder after someone asked my thoughts on it. It's a 12-hour suspension. I hope
to be back on tonight.
I hope you are well. Thanks to you also for being one of the few brave souls willing to take a stand for these kids.
I've got some nuke rounds to unload about my court victory. I hope some journalists are going to drop them very
soon.
Jamie
Attachment:
Sent: 3/30/2020 2:11:26 PM
To: governor@gov.idaho.gov
Cc:
Subject: H500 Fairness in Womens Sports / H509 Idaho Vital Records Act
Attachments: CPRC Letter to Governor 3.30.2020.docx,Soule v CT DOJ Statement of Interest 3.24.2020.pdf,PastedGraphic-14.png
Dear Governor Little
Attached for your review is our letter from the Child & Parental Rights Campaign, Inc. urging you to sign two vital
pieces of legislation — H500, the Fairness in Women’s Sport and H509 the Idaho Vital Records Act. Also attached is
the Statement of Interest recently filed by the United States Department of Justice in a federal lawsuit brought by
female athletes in Connecticut directly relevant to H500, which is in support of the female athletes.
Child & Parental Rights Campaign Inc. is a national public interest law firm with direct knowledge on these issues.
Our letter seeks to provide significant information to fortify you in doing the right thing and signing both of
these important bills.
Sincerely,
Vernadette Broyles, Esq.

□
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Attachment:
From: Richard Mast
Sent: 1/21/2020 9:33:54 AM
To: "juliannehyoung@gmail.com" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn
Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>,
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
Subject: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
Attachments: Vital Statistics Integrity Act - 01212020.docx,ADF Brief- Birth Certificates Based on Factual Info - Montana.pdf
All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-
based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
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Sent: 12/31/2019 7:28:40 AM
To: "Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "vbroyles@childparentrights.org"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick
Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Richard Mast"
<rmast@lc.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Important News: Success With My Oregon Court Case
Attachments: 2019_12_11 PETITION FOR CHANGE OF NAME & SEX as
filed.pdf,James.Shupe.Male.Sex.Name.Change.Complete.Scan.With.Seal.pdf
All,
I have wonderful news to share. With the help of ADF, I have successfully petitioned the State of Oregon to restore my male birth sex and given name.
Working with the Oregon attorney that ADF secured, I crafted language in the petition I hope will be useful in future legal battles and prevent further use of the non-binary court order to
advance that agenda.
The story should be out soon on PJMedia.
Attached are the court documents.
Blessings,
James Shupe
Sent: 2/11/2019 3:04:14 PM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com
Cc:
Subject: Introductions
Hello Michelle and Jamie,
Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has
also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut him up! For now...
And Jamie, you know Dr. Michelle Cretella, she was also critical in helping us in Rocklin when they were pushing
trans madness into our schools. And of course she has so many great writings, videos, etc.
Mike
Attachment:
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/12/2019 1:55:25 PM
To: "Bob Sullivan" <bob@sullivanshoemaker.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Jamie Shupe: Med Record
Attachments: mhv_SHUPE_20190312_1650.pdf
Here's the med records. I've been very careful with the VA to always use secure messaging for almost all discussions, so there would always be medical evidence.
It takes a 3 days or so for updates to them, only a couple minor notes missing.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 4:47:53 PM EDT, Bob Sullivan <bob@sullivanshoemaker.com> wrote:
The medical records would be very helpful. And your contacts are very good. I’m especially a fan of Laidlaw.
On Mar 12, 2019, at 3:43 PM, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here's another one: Andre Van Mol. I'm also in touch with Dr. Michelle Cretelaa.
On Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 4:31:16 PM EDT, Robert Sullivan <bobsullivan402@gmail.com> wrote:
Florida has good jury verdicts, and that is what you want if you are going to persuade doctors to practice sound medicine. I am looking at a few different attorneys who have had success in medical malpractice
jury cases. I’ll narrow it down and then try to put you in touch with the top pick.
In the meantime, allow me to tell why I am motivated to help you and explain how and why I’d like to be involved in the litigation. I am a faithful Catholic who tries to use my legal skill to build the kingdom of
God while at the same time, supporting my family. In addition to my law practice, I write, teach, and speak about the culture, faith, and the law as much as I can. My law practice has evolved to being primarily
a litigation practice. I handle injury cases, medical malpractice (med Mal), contract disputes, construction cases, and agricultural litigation. If your case were in Nebraska, I’d probably want to file it for you.
I’m not licensed in Florida, but even so, I’d like to be the lead attorney on your case, which is possible when a local attorney serves as co-counsel. This does not mean that you would pay two or more
attorneys though. There is still one contingent fee, and it is the same percentage of the overall verdict or settlement. Med Mal contingent fees are usually about 50% of the verdict or settlement. They are high
because the cases are difficult to win. This is the case even when they seem like they should be easy. If we can find a skilled attorney in Florida, your fees would still only be 50%. It is possible that the
contingent fees in Florida med Mal cases are less than 50%. I’m okay with whatever the local practice is. If it is 40%, 35%, whatever. The good news is, you generally know if you have a good med Mal case
pretty early in the process.
I want to be the lead attorney for three main reasons: 1. Some excellent trial attorneys do not understand the cultural and/or religious implications of some cases. They fail to make some persuasive arguments
because they don’t know any better. I have experience making arguments based on science, statistics, ethics, and religion, when appropriate. 2. I am convinced that gender ideology is deadly. It is deadly to
the individual and it is deadly to the culture. Many attorneys are not going to feel that way, but some might take your case anyway because they see the potential for a large verdict and publicity. If they are not
as certain about the evil of gender ideology, they may not be as thorough and aggressive as they would otherwise be in a typical med Mal case. I think I can fill in that gap should it occur, even though we’d be
looking for local counsel who is not simply looking for a large paycheck. 3. Your case is going to need some medical expert testimony. As a Catholic, and a Catholic who has some connections within the
Church nationally, I may have access to some experts who a non-Catholic and a non-Christian may not know. The experts may not be Catholic, but the only way we are likely to find them is through networking
with Catholic physicians. The average psychologist, psychiatrist, or medical doctor is not going to want to lift a finger to help you. I think I could be a significant assistance to your case in this respect. Without
experts who are willing to say that your doctors failed to provide the proper “standard of care”, you have no case. We find this out early in the process. If a doc steps forward and says there was medical
malpractice, we move forward. If nobody steps forward, we keep on looking.
But we can’t keep looking forever. There is a statute of limitations on med Mal claims. In Nebraska, you have to make your claim within two years of the malpractice or the date when you had the capacity to
understand it was malpractice. Florida appears to require it to be filed within two years, or in the case of fraud, 4 years. Either way, it is best to move quickly.
If this raises any questions or concerns for you, let me know and I’ll do my best to respond. As soon as we have a meeting of the minds, I’ll make some calls and see if we can get you in to see someone in
the near future.
Bob S.
402-462-2110
Attachment:
From: miriam grossman
Sent: 10/30/2019 2:46:09 PM
To: "Laura Haynes, Ph.D." <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle
Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Roger G. Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>,
"Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Jonathan Keller"
<jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Greg Burt, Dir of Capitol Engagement" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Rene Jax"
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
"James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Subject: Kaiser study
Laura, thank you ! I'm testifying soon for a case in Colorado and this data will be very useful.
Miriam Grossman MD
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
Quentin and All,
Here is recent and truly excellent research on trans children and minors among Kaiser-Permanente members in
Georgia, northern CA, southern CA.
From a presentation I just gave at the conference of the Society of Catholic Social Scientists, Oct. 29,
2019, Steubenville, Ohio (held at Franciscan University):
Recommended messaging for Georgia:
Kaiser-Permanente studied non-conforming gender identity in its members from 2006 to 2014. It found that 70%-
71% of adolescents (ages 10-17) who later identified as gender non-conforming had high rates of other
psychiatric diagnoses prior to first evidence of gender non-conformity, and most of those (60-66%) were in
force during the 6 months before onset of gender non-conformity. Prevalence [prevalence ratios] of these
diagnoses, and of hospitalizations for these disorders, compared to gender conforming boys and girls, mostly
ranged from moderate to astronomically sky high. Children (ages 3-9) who later became gender non-conforming
had a similar pattern of higher prevalence for lifetime disorders and 6-month-before-onset diagnoses, but in
lower absolute numbers. Some children did not have other psychiatric disorders. Kohlberg said children are
simply still developing their concept of gender identity up to age 7.
Over the 8 years of the study, from 2006 to 2014, the number of gender non-conforming minors rose 800% in
Georgia.
Additional information:
(Number of TGNCs roses 1100% in northern CA, southern CA was between northern CA and Georgia).
This retrospective and prospective, longitudinal study used the complete set of electronic medical records
for an entire cohort of Kaiser-Permanente members at three sites (Georgia, northern California, and southern
California) for the years 2006 - 2014.
It may be the first research that found onset dates of psychiatric disorders and first evidence date of
gender non-conforming identity.
There were 427 TF (bio Ms) and 655 TM (bio Fs) children and adolescents = 1,082 GNCs (gender identity non-
conformers means TFs + TMs).
(TF = trans female/bio male; TM = trans male/bio female)
Each was matched to 10 controls of the same bio sex + 10 of opposite bio sex.
Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth Compared
With Their Peers. Pediatrics. 2018;141(5):e20173845
Blessings,
Laura
Laura Haynes, Ph.D., California Licensed Psychologist
USA Representative, International Federation for Therapeutic and Counselling Choice (IFTCC.org)
Chair of Research and Legislative Policy, National Task Force for Therapy Equality (TherapyEquality.org)
Consultant, American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds.org)
Member Research Committee, Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity (TherapeuticChoice.com)
Member, Coalition for Counseling Choice
Former President, Christian Association for Psychological Studiesâ€”Western Region
Lifetime Member, American Psychological Association
Member, California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists
P.O. Box 653, Tustin, CA 92781
714-665-3333
On Oct 30, 2019, at 8:43 AM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

Fantastic! I believe Georgia will be the forth state to introduce the bill! â€“ Fred Deutsch
From: Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>

Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:40 AM
To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>;
Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Brooks Roger
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Gary McCaleb <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan <jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg
<gregb@californiafamily.org>; Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax Rene <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman
Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; James Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc: Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this legislative
session in Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last
year in a very purple district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and
beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep.
Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525
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From: jwrobbins <jwrobbins@protonmail.com>

Subject: GA bill
Date: October 30, 2019 at 10:30:31 AM EDT
To: Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@adoptionfamilylaw.com>
Reply-To: jwrobbins <jwrobbins@protonmail.com>
Ginny decided the time was right. See press release, attached. Let the games begin.
Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

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Sent: 1/9/2020 12:19:50 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>
Subject: Legislative Packet
Attachments: PARENT RESOURCE GUIDE - Chaps 1 -3 .pdf,SUICIDE MYTH HANDOUT.pdf,Medical Professionals Handout.pdf,Medical
Interventions Handout .pdf,VCPA Whitepaper - generic.docx,PastedGraphic-14.png
Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with
the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child Protection Acts being
introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that
legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from the Minnesota Family
Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the
three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the
medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (weâ€™ve already seen in the media)
that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work
for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the
SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye
with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but also will arm
them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the
following:
• Parent Resource Guide - Chaps. 1 - 3 primer on the transgender issue (please note, we do not have permission to bind this document with any of the others)
• Suicide handout
• Medical professionals handout
• Medical Interventions in minors handout
• Whitepaper (generic)
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as
widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette
Attachment:
Sent: 1/14/2020 9:50:22 AM
Bcc:
Subject: Legislative Talking Point Screenshot
Attachments: reddit.png
Sorry, helps to attach the screenshot, huh?
James
Sent: 1/14/2020 9:47:59 AM
Bcc:
Subject: Legislative Talking Point
All,
I'd like to bounce a potential talking point off of all you and hear your feedback. I've attached a screenshot of the typical turmoil in the homes of these kids with gender confusion issues.
My talking point is, the state stepping in and creating regulatory law via the legislators such as Rep. Deutsch and others is actually taking the heat off of the parents to allow these
dangerous medical interventions for kids. This type of legislation essentially shifts the responsibility to the person wanting the treatment to when they become of legal age in their state to
get it. Once passed, it's no longer their parents saying no, it's the state.
For example, we don't have kids and families in turmoil because children can't drink, that's because it's not their parents stopping them from drinking, it's a state law.
Am I making sense here?
Because with these unscrupulous medical providers on standby to give these harmful drugs to children as soon as a parent says yes, it's the uncooperative parents that are taking the heat
whenever they say no. Peers getting the treatment only worsens this scenario.
For the record, I'm not just bringing this up as a talking point, I believe in what I'm saying here based on what I see online and in the news.
Blessings,
James
From: Michael K. Laidlaw, MD (via Twitter)
Sent: 2/20/2019 7:55:30 PM
Cc:
Subject: Michael K. Laidlaw, MD (@MLaidlawMD) has sent you a Direct Message on Twitter!
@MLaidlawMD: https://t.co/QA8qDNSJRT
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Sent: 2/21/2019 4:33:26 AM
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@MLaidlawMD: Thx!
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Sent: 2/28/2019 4:28:25 PM
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@MLaidlawMD: Sorry missed it. You know. That’s something I’ve been meaning to look into in more depth. If it’s out there, it’s probably animal research. I posted something a few weeks back about differential effects of growth hormone based on biological sex.
Sorry missed it. You know. That’s something I’ve been meaning to look into in more depth. If it’s out there, it’s probably animal research. I posted something a few weeks back
about differential effects of growth hormone based on biological sex.
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Sent: 2/28/2019 5:01:58 PM
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@MLaidlawMD: Ha! Gosh. I went into private practice because I hate dealing with bureaucracies, meetings etc. But maybe I’ll have to.
Ha! Gosh. I went into private practice because I hate dealing with bureaucracies, meetings etc. But maybe I’ll have to.
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Sent: 2/11/2019 12:53:39 PM
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@MLaidlawMD: Hi Jamie. Thanks for adding me to your list. So glad you are speaking out to protect kids and adults from the trans cult. Do you have an email contact? Here is mine docdrlaidlaw@gmail.com -Mike Laidlaw
Hi Jamie. Thanks for adding me to your list. So glad you are speaking out to protect kids and adults from the trans cult. Do you have an email contact? Here is mine
docdrlaidlaw@gmail.com -Mike Laidlaw
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 4:57:38 PM
To: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>
Subject: More extensive interview form our state's largest paper
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-reassignment-surgeries-lgbt/4476342002/
Sent: 2/12/2019 8:21:56 AM
To: "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
"Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax"
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laura A. Haynes, Ph.D."
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Paul McHugh" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Mark Chuff"
<chuffmark@gmail.com>, "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Walter Schumm"
<schumm@ksu.edu>
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Subject: MUST READ ARTICLE FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING
This is a terrifying article about criminalizing parents who seek to protect their children from AAP/WPATH
monsters.
http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/lgbt-activists-teaching-judges-yank-kids-parents-wont-transgender/
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:02:37 AM
To: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard
Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "McCaleb
Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Robbins
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks
Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
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Subject: New Florida DSD/Gender Identity Case
It looks like gender activists are trying to pull the same scam here in Florida that's going on with the State Department over passports in the ZZyym case.
A male born with Klinefelters syndrome is claiming to be female using gender identity and estrogen.
They want a Florida judge to sign off so they can use it go after Alabama birth certificates. Of course, this case will have profound effects on Florida too.
Born James: "She was born with an extra chromosome, making her “intersex.”
"But because Mayfield was born intersex, she didn’t require surgery, only estrogen."
https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/01/13/birth-certificate-gender-change-battle
Sent: 2/9/2020 2:04:42 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard
Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
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Subject: Nonbinary Puberty In South Dakota
Fred,
What is going on in South Dakota?
"Puberty was like a puzzle for Quinncy Parke. The 17-year-old from Sioux Falls is nonbinary and uses the pronouns they/them. When puberty arrived, so did a lot of
distress."
So, Fred, you folks have "nonbinary" puberty in your state?
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/07/803508821/south-dakota-lawmakers-seek-to-ban-treatment-for-transgender-teenagers
James
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/26/2020 4:39:36 PM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary
McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Walt Heyer"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
"Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>
Subject: Objections to bill- other thoughtss
Brainstorming idea for objections to bill. Others that you think I should prepare for in addition claims that:
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
Interferes with doctor-patient relationship
Interferes with parental rights
Parents must give consent â€“ therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor
PB are reversable
Bill is unconstitutional
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/17/2020 6:17:09 AM
To: "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com"
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane
Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
"Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy
Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Subject: Opposition from physicians intensifies
Passing along email from a pediatrician that was sent to all SD lawmakers. I asked Michelle to please pen a response so I can forward it to lawmakers. If any of the rest of you physicians feel
moved to respond, it will help the cause, as I will also forward to them. Lawmakers on the fence are moved by letters like this as it appears to come from an evidence-based perspective. We
need to be able to provide reasonable rebuttals. â€“ Rep. Fred Deutsch
I am a Pediatrician and community member in South Dakota. I am writing today about my concerns about HB 1057, a bill that would criminalize doctors for performing gender-affirming, life-
saving medical care for transgender youth in our state.
The bill undermines my Hippocratic Oath that I took when I became a doctor, First Do No Harm. Current standards of care for transgender youth and adolescents delays puberty until children
are old enough to make their own decisions about their lived gender. This bill would take away their choices, irreversibly force them through puberty and undermine the prevailing
recommendations of every major medical association. The best practice in Pediatrics is for transgender and gender diverse individuals to have access to comprehensive, gender-affirming,
and developmentally appropriate health care. This bill goes against evidence-based practice and discriminates against a vulnerable population. It puts children's safety at risk, as transgender
youth have increased risk of social isolation, suicide, homelessness, physical violence, and substance abuse, particularly when their gender identity is not supported.
I implore you to vote against this bill, or if you are supporting it, reconsider your position. I also encourage you to get in contact with local physicians treating these youth, to continue the
conversation about how this bill will negatively affect the children that we serve.
Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Childrenâ€™s Day at the Capitol. I invite you to come to our catered breakfast in the President and
Speaker lobbies starting at 7:00 am, to have the opportunity to talk and ask questions about childrenâ€™s health.
Brooke Jones, MD, MSc, FAAP
Child Abuse Pediatrician
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/18/2020 5:55:06 AM
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>
"Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: opposition is mostly economic/social
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:59:07 AM
To: "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Subject: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoins?
Updated and expanded article from our stateâ€™s largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the article. Let me know any recommendations you may have to counter. -
Fred
Sent: 1/25/2020 6:53:34 AM
To: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Deutsch Fred"
<fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Robbins Jane"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Mast
Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>
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Subject: Opposition Strategy Suggestions
All,
In an earlier email, I talked about how treatment being unavailable because of law would serve as a deterrent, using the example of how kids aren't pestering their parents to drink because
they know the law says they can't until age 21. This excerpt reinforces this.
Page 58: "It is not rare for preoperative transsexuals to abandon their quest for reassignment; it is not well-established that such cases are more likely to involve secondary transsexuals,
but this is what we would predict. Shore (1984) reports the case of a young man who was positive he wanted sexual reassignment, was favorably evaluated for surgery, and was on his way
to the hospital when he learned the hospital had changed their policy and now prohibited sex reassignment surgery. This man, soon thereafter, changed his entire life-style and reportedly
gave up his sex-reassignment plans."
Speaking from experience, this is very impulsive stuff in many cases, and the lowering of barriers in today's environment is creating a far more dangerous landscape. Remember, I got
hormones during my first visit to a mental health provider.
https://books.google.com/books?id=L2pyBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=The+Transvestic+Career+Path&source=bl&ots=hTpq8OhU9N&sig=ACfU3U3lP-
ctn6fcn5IY7SZjBuYb7CoCqA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjns9C9-J7nAhUhuVkKHU_LAEE4FBDoATAAegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=The%20Transvestic%20Career%20Path&f=false
So, for one we are shifting the fight from inside the home with the parents to the state, and two, we are putting up a roadblock to the impulsiveness that's inherently characteristic with a lot of
the co-morbid mental health issues these children have.
James
Sent: 1/25/2020 11:26:13 AM
To: mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>,
"QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Brooks Roger"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>,
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>,
"McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone"
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Subject: Opposition Strategy Suggestions: Utah Coming On Board
This is another one of their vulnerable talking points:
"Katie Matheson, communications director of Alliance for a Better Utah, called the bill “yet another example of politicians unnecessarily inserting themselves into the patient-family-doctor
relationship.”
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/orem-lawmaker-drafting-bill-to-ban-hormone-therapy-surgery-for/article_c633b971-98b3-5281-ab76-204cb7cf000c.html
Because trans activists have pushed really hard to have hormones prescriptions lowered from endocrinology, where they belong, to primary care, where most doctors are clueless about
the drugs and the dosages. The VA did this and it's how I ended up with estrogen levels of 2,583 and blood clots in my eyes instead of a max level of 200.
James
Sent: 1/19/2020 2:44:45 PM
To: "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Possible Confusion about TGA
Dear Scott,
That was not me. I actually agreed with you that it could be powerful for public to hear trans adults outline
horrors of transitioning and be against this for kids.
Sincerely,
Michelle
(Dr. C)
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:
ï»¿
I'm going to respectfully disagree with that, and I'll explain why.
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored them. I have never heard your name or ever considered reaching out to you
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce ( publically, that is not true)the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the
opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes,
while they were born in the wrong body.
I do not believe I am a biological male

I do not condone sexual paraphilias or fetishes or
I am not the pronoun police
Please send me a link to this organization you are speaking of because it's definitely not mine.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you can still turn back.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons.
Or contribute to the Blaire White types profiteering from this type of behavior.
James
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 5:25 PM Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:

Dr. Cretella,
I just started www.transsexualglobalalliance.org and I've never reached out to you. I also, dont believe in what you are speaking about. I'm confused, I believe we might me speaking about two different
organizations.
Scott
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 PM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

Iâ€™ll let Scott make the call. There is no quid pro quo. Just a desire to help kids. - Fred

Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 12:25 PM
To: drmcretella@gmail.com; Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; QUENTIN VAN
METER <kidendo@comcast.net>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>;
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>;
Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Robbins Jane
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Dr. Cretella,
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored them.
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their
endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite
sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal,
the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and
fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks
"identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of
our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't
endorse or indulge these persons.
James
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com

<drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott is right. Having more trans adults come forward would be a game changer.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:

ï»¿
And my twitter was shut down and my website was hacked.
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we are
saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child.
Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through
this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to kids and I was
appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have
to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying
it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it
will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end
well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
â€œThe time to act is now,â€ the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislatorâ€™s home and office numbers."
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-economic-

development/4503457002/
Fred
Attachment:
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Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Question: Fred's Official Email Account
Attachments: logo_abdfb0ec-e06e-407a-a721-cd0e4f742400.png
Matt,
I've been wondering, if the ACLU files suit, are they going to be able to obtain all of our emails because Fred is
using his legislative email account?
James
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:47 PM, Matt Sharp

<msharp@adflegal.org> wrote:
Michelle,
Thank you for the reference to the American Psychiatric Association. We produced this memo a few years ago and
were looking to demonstrate that even our opponents recognize the biological basis for sex. I completely agree
that we do not want to concede that sex is assigned at birth. I’ll update the memo with the reference you
provided.
Matt
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From: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>

To: Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>
Cc: juliannehyoung@gmail.com; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary
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Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>;
mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD
Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van
Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Timothy
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*EXTERNAL*
Richard,
Thank you to all who are making this happen!
Re: the bill itself, I am not convinced that the specific DSDs should be named and described (section 5) and defer
to Dr. Paul Hruz's expertise. Otherwise, I believe that it looks good.
-
Re: ADF PDF: In Section 2, Matt has quoted the American PSYCHOLOGICAL Association defining sex as "assigned at
birth" - I am pasting the section below:
The same is true of a person’s sex. Sex is binary (male or female), fixed, and objectively verifiable. One’s sex
is genetically established at conception, ascertained at or (via sonogram or genetic testing) before birth, and
may be verified by objective factors such as chromosomes, gonads, hormones, and genitalia. See, e.g., Am.
Psychological Ass’n, Answers to Your Questions About Transgender People, Gender Identity and Gender Expression at
1, http://www.apa.org/ topics/lgbt/transgender.pdf. “Sex is assigned at birth, refers to one’s biological status
as either male or female, and is associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone
prevalence, and external and internal anatomy.”
Sex is NOT assigned ... I recommend referencing the American PSYCHIATRIC Association (DSM-5) instead:
The American Psychiatric Association defines sex as the "biological indication of male and female (understood in
the context of reproductive capacity), such as sex chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and nonambiguous internal
and external genitalia.”
Reference:
American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM-5 (Washington, D.C.:
American Psychiatric Publishing, 2013), p. 829.
Best,
Michelle
(Dr. Cretella)
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 12:34 PM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been
working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth
certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few
suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,
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From: William Malone
Sent: 9/24/2019 3:27:21 AM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michelle Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Miriam Grossman"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Roger G. Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
Subject: Quillette article: No One is Born in the Wrong Body
An essay I wrote with 2 collaborators called “No One is Born in the Wrong Body” was published on Quillette today—
please distribute to any who may benefit from reading it.
https://quillette.com/2019/09/24/no-one-is-born-in-the-wrong-body/
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:01 PM Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
How’s it going with getting one consent form?
On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for Jane and
Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It won’t be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 18, 2019, at 7:39 AM, Rene Jax <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that
I personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken home with a drunk for
a father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt
growing up was horrific. GD has played a key part in all of my relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I dealt
with were all, uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the ultimate gate towards
SRS. They all understood it was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on young
people is nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical community
to do what Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
How can we stop this? We must stop this. How?
Sincerely
Rene Jax
Read my latest blog @ http://renejax.bravesites.com/
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:35 PM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a l
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-complex-on-
junk-science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
Sent: 9/23/2019 5:56:01 AM
To: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Quote From A Gender Specialty Surgeon
Some Monday morning humor for all of you from a surgeon:
“Being transgender is not a choice, and it is not a mental disorder,” Gast said. “This is medically necessary surgery, as every expert-led medical association in the
United States says it is.”
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/health-med-fit/transgender-surgery-now-more-accessible-in-wisconsin-lets-patients-become/article_dd145594-21c3-5697-9fab-7b22d894eabd.html
Blessings,
James
From: Emily Zinos
Sent: 6/30/2019 4:53:12 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: (Recommendations After Proofreading) Re: Endorsements needed!
Hi James,
These are all really helpful and I very much appreciate how much time you put into these suggestions. I'll be hard
at work this week incorporating edits and requesting endorsements! My comments are below in blue...
On Sun, Jun 30, 2019, 5:19 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Good stuff Emily!
Kudos for all the work to bring this to life and implementation.
A few things that come to mind while reading this:
1. Please consider adding something like these talking points from this article about how to talk to your children:
"When your six-year-old comes home from school with a new word -- transgender -- what do you tell her? Here's a suggestion, and something to tell your teenager as well."
https://www.mercatornet.com/family_edge/view/transgender-talking-points-for-kids/22533
I like this idea a lot, but I might not have time to make it happen. I'll let you know.
2. Gender Identity definition: Consider adding?
Refuse to use the term gender identity and explain that you have a scientifically measurable biological sex, not a subjective gender identity.
Excellent idea! Believe me, everyone I give this to wants to make changes to this definition, so it will be
different and I will incorporate your suggestion.
3. Skeletons? Please consider adding male and female skeletons to illustrate the dramatic differences between the sexes, it has shock power. Kids need to see it, parents need to be
reminded of it.
In the Minnesota version of this guide, we did include a graphic on physiological sex differences. Maybe I'll put it
back!
4. "Medical Transition refers to use of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and/or surgery to assume the physical appearance of the opposite sex."
"Imitate" instead of using "assume?"

Good idea.
5. Section: "Is it fair for transgender-identified men and boys to compete with women and girls in sports competitions?"
Suggest adding "Q Angle" of the pelvis and leg bones in females to this section, it does matter. Again, the pictures have shock power.
Again, maybe we can add the sex differences graphic back in.
6. In section 13: Are puberty blockers and hormones totally 13 reversible?
"Children who use cross sex hormones following puberty blockers will remain infertile while taking these hormones."
I believe cross sex is spelled as "cross-sex". Noticed the same problem on Nonbinary definition spelling. It's "Non-binary."
Thank you.
Page 23 then says this, creating conflict in the two sections:
"which causes permanent sterility."
The latter is correct to my understanding.

Good catch. The first example was a cautious statement added by Dr. Laidlaw, but I think we have enough evidence to
stick with the latter.
7. "Many transgender-identified young people have behaviors and preferences that do not conform with those typical of their sex. Sex stereotypes vary between cultures and historical
eras, and conformity to them is not an accurate indication of one’s biological identity.
Boys and girls have a wide variation of personality traits and preferences that in no way contradict their
sex.
Check the spacing on the sentences?

Good catch
8. Consider adding as a risk: Pelvic pain and persistent menses in transgender men, atrophy of the vagina, pain during sex.
https://transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/pain-transmen
If we can fit that, I'll add!

9. Consider adding as a risk: MTF kids will lose sex drive:
This one I considered, but my supervisor and I decided to leave it out because a) we couldn't include everything! and b) it links children to sexual function, which might upset some
readers.
Low libido:
A study of sexual desire in transgender women found that 83% never or rarely experience spontaneous sexual desire, 76% never or rarely experience responsive sexual desire, and 22%
meet the criteria for Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder (HSDD) by experiencing both of these in a way which results in personal or relational distress. This study also found decreases in
sexual desire after genital surgery.[37] Another study found a rate of HSDD in transgender women of 34%, compared to 23% in non-transgender women. This study found no correlation
between sexual desire and testosterone levels in the transgender women, though a significant correlation was found between hormones and desire in non-transgender women.[38] An
unpublished study found positive correlations between libido and testosterone levels in transgender women treated with testosterone, but no effect when treated with
dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S).[39] As such it remains unclear if HSDD relates to androgen blockade or post-gonadectomy hormonal changes, or due to anatomical,
functional and psychological changes associated with hormone therapy or genital surgery.
https://transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/feminizing-hormone-therapy
10. Probably some useful stats in this from McHugh? Or use as another reference. This was a big deal when it came out.
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/executive-summary-sexuality-and-gender
We did include that in the MN version, but maybe it was left out this time around? I can't remember, but you're
right that it's a critical resource.
11. This might be worthwhile to paint a picture of how dangerous the school sexual assault problem is already without the trans problem and perceived danger it creates.
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=5231059&itype=CMSID
Probably won't have space or time to go there:(
12. It might be impactful to add a brief history of gender identity, the stupid thing was only created in the 1960s for transsexuals, but now we're all claimed to have one.
Earlier drafts did include a brief background, but my supervisor thought it was too inside baseball for a wide audience. Hope you understand!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7996589
My best,
James
On Friday, June 28, 2019, 06:53:56 PM EDT, Emily Zinos <zinosemily@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi James,
I hope you're doing well! I can't tell you how helpful your Twitter feed has been to me, both the links you share and the analysis you offer. Spot on.
I am excited to let you know that I am getting very close to the finish line with a tool I've been developing called the Parent Resource Guide. I've attached the Guide below for you to look through when you have time.
I'm hoping to get a few different organizations to co-brand the guide, with two from the left or center and two from the right, so as to widen our audience. Know that there may be some minor changes to text as the co-
branders weigh in on the Guide. Also, I had to switch graphic designers at the last minute, so please know that some design elements may also change (the cover will most definitely be changing, fyi).
I am now compiling endorsements for this version, which will be bound into the printed guide as the first few pages. I would be honored to include your endorsement, if you are willing to offer one. At minimum, it only needs
to be a few sentences.
Please don't share the Guide at this point, but do let me know if you think of someone else I should ask for an endorsement. We're hoping to have all endorsements by July 15th.
Thank you for considering, James!
God bless you,

Emily Zinos
From: Hacsi Horvath
Sent: 9/16/2019 11:50:16 PM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Heyer
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb Gary"
<gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Haynes Laura"
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: "How Oregon Built A Transgender Medical-Industrial Complex On Junk Science"
Wow, excellent!
Something not mentioned is that in Portland a fellow who calls himself "Jenn" Burleton runs the "TransActive Gender
Center," based at Lewis and Clark College. He has no professional qualifications, apart from serving as trombone
player in a warmed-over "Up With People" cohort in the '70s. Sadly, but perhaps not surprisingly for Portland these
days, people there tend to take him seriously. For many years Burleton has brought autogynephilic fanaticism to his
goal of transing children and teens at the earliest ages possible. I recall that he was interviewed when Oregon
lowered the age at which kids could be seduced into pointless maiming without telling their parents. It was clear
that Burleton had been lobbying extensively among that year's crop of state legislators, most of whom were evidently
dunces. I'm sure that Burleton has pushed dozens if not hundreds of confused, mentally ill, vulnerable youth into
the bleak superficial translife of permanent patient-hood and obsessive mimicry.
All the best,
H.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Monday, September 16, 2019, 19:11, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Outstanding, thanks for sharing!
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a l -
Andre
From: Hacsi Horvath
Sent: 9/17/2019 3:29:20 PM
Cc:
Damn, how brazen!
Well, the punishment for not filing seems rather mild... Even so, he should be made to do it!
https://secure.sos.state.or.us/oard/displayDivisionRules
All the best,
H.
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 04:07, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Despite nonprofit status, Transactive hasn't filed tax returns in many years. I filed a complaint with the DOJ last year and Burleton's lawyer told the DOJ that they would be
shutting down Transactive by the end of 2018.
A search shows the domain is no longer active?
So if you catch Burleton involved as a front man for Transactive, turn him into the DOJ.
Punch Transactive in here:
https://justice.oregon.gov/charities
James
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019, 03:50:23 AM EDT, Hacsi Horvath <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wow, excellent!
Something not mentioned is that in Portland a fellow who calls himself "Jenn" Burleton runs the "TransActive Gender Center," based at Lewis and Clark College. He has no professional qualifications, apart from
serving as trombone player in a warmed-over "Up With People" cohort in the '70s. Sadly, but perhaps not surprisingly for Portland these days, people there tend to take him seriously. For many years Burleton
has brought autogynephilic fanaticism to his goal of transing children and teens at the earliest ages possible. I recall that he was interviewed when Oregon lowered the age at which kids could be seduced into
pointless maiming without telling their parents. It was clear that Burleton had been lobbying extensively among that year's crop of state legislators, most of whom were evidently dunces. I'm sure that Burleton
has pushed dozens if not hundreds of confused, mentally ill, vulnerable youth into the bleak superficial translife of permanent patient-hood and obsessive mimicry.
All the best,
H.
On Monday, September 16, 2019, 19:11, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r" a n s g e n d e r M e d i c a l - I
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-complex-on-junk-science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
From: Rene Jax
Sent: 9/18/2019 6:39:50 AM
To: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb
Gary" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Haynes
Laura" <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that I personally
feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken home with a drunk for a father, and a mother who
was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt growing up was horrific. GD has played a key
part in all of my relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I dealt with were all,
uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the ultimate gate towards SRS. They all understood it
was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on young people is
nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical community to do what
Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
Andre
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 9/18/2019 8:02:26 AM
To: "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb
Gary" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Haynes
Laura" <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for Jane and Michael
to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It wonâ€™t be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that I
personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken home with a drunk for a father,
and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt growing up was
horrific. GD has played a key part in all of my relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I dealt with were
all, uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the ultimate gate towards SRS. They all
understood it was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on young people
is nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical community to do
what Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a l -
Andre
From: Laura Haynes, Ph.D.
Sent: 9/18/2019 9:01:39 PM
To: "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
"Miriam Grossman" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Roger G. Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Howâ€™s it going with getting one consent form?
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for Jane and
Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It wonâ€™t be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that I
personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken home with a drunk for a
father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt

Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
Andre
Sent: 9/16/2019 6:11:23 PM
Cc: "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Heyer
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb Gary"
<gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Haynes Laura"
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
ICYMI:
Andre
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 12:16:41 PM
To: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Scott Newgent"
<scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup"
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: ACLU of SD opposes bill that would criminalize medically necessary care for transgender youth
Probably not appropriate to contact ACLU. They claim suicidal thoughts and attempts reduce when families affirm their gender identity. Our bill does not prevent that. It only prevents medicalization. Family
love, support and social transition is not addressed by our bill. - Fred

Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 2:08 PM
Cc: Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; James Shupe
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; MD Paul
Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>;
Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU of SD opposes bill that would criminalize medically necessary care for transgender youth
You could pull from our suicide handout (attached again).

Fred â€” You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that â€œtransgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal
thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general healthâ€. One of our MDâ€™s can then review them and provide refutation of their alleged evidence.
Vernadette


770.448.4525
On Jan 15, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

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The bill, which was introduced Tuesday, would make it a felony for medical providers to treat youth consistent with evidence-based treatment protocols. HB 1057 continues the streak
of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health care choices around
the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a patient, not politicians.
â€œTransgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into adulthood,â€ said
Libby Skarin, policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. â€œWhen the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their care, they lose those
opportunities.â€
By blocking medical care supported by every major medical association, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association, the legislature is
compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a
52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health.
â€œEvery year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed,â€ Skarin says.
â€œThe more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. Itâ€™s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter to the people of South
Dakota. Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the stateâ€™s real needs and hurts us all.â€
Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our stateâ€™s people and communities. As new laws are created and
others repealed or written, itâ€™s important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of civil liberties and
civil rights. The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is supported by staff in those states.
The ACLU believes freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and religion, and the rights to due process, equal protection and privacy, are fundamental to a free people. In addition, the
ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ communities. The ACLU of South
Dakota carries out its work through selective litigation, lobbying at the state and local level, and through public education and awareness of what the Bill of Rights means for the
people of South Dakota.
###
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/15/2020 9:24:03 PM
Cc: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe
Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin
Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Yes, we can pretty much guess what that study actually looked at and actually showed, but what is the citation
anyway?
Itâ€™s typical emotional blackmail and raises more questions than it answers.
As for quick replies (all bold highlighting is mine, otherwise quotes are quotes):
If their study they cite shows a 48% reduction in suicide attempts (like, what, one year out?):
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This was a
30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-reassigned persons in Sweden.
(Dhejne C, et al, â€œLong-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden,â€ journals.plos.org, Feb. 22,
2011.)
Bailey and Blanchard: â€œThere is no persuasive evidence that gender transition reduces gender dysphoric childrenâ€™s likelihood of killing
themselves.â€â€¦
â€œThe idea that mental health problemsâ€“including suicidalityâ€“are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around â€¦ is currently
popular and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as likely to be false as true.â€
(J. Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard, â€œSuicide or transition: The only options for gender dysphoric kids?â€ 4thwavenow.com, Sept. 8, 2017.
https://4thwavenow.com/2017/09/08/suicide-or-transition-the-only-options-for-gender-dysphoric-kids/)
â€œParadox. The suicide rate for AYA in the non-affirming 1950s USA was much lower than it is now. For both sexes, it was only 4.5 suicides per 100,000
AYA.â€
Peaked in 1994 with a combined rate of 13.6; â€¦declined slightly and then was more or less flat until 2011, when it began again to climb.â€
(Hacsi Horvath, Dec. 19, 2018.(https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-affirmation-
and-transgender-identity/)
The point from Hacsi is why werenâ€™t the 1950s a total blood bath for suicides if non-affirmation of everything is the fast train to offing oneâ€™s self? Affirmation
was about nil. For the past decade GLBT affirmation has steadily increased while suicides have too. What gives then?
The title here says it all:
Richards C, Maxwell J, McCune N. Use of puberty blockers for gender dysphoria: a momentous step in the dark. Archives of Disease in Childhood 2019;104:611-
612
Andre

Probably not appropriate to contact ACLU. They claim suicidal thoughts and attempts reduce when families affirm their gender identity. Our bill does not prevent that. It only prevents
medicalization. Family love, support and social transition is not addressed by our bill. - Fred

<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Jane Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Fred â€” You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that â€œtransgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent
decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general healthâ€. One of our MDâ€™s can then review them and provide
refutation of their alleged evidence.
Vernadette

<image001.png>
770.448.4525


<image003.png>
The bill, which was introduced Tuesday, would make it a felony for medical providers to treat youth consistent with evidence-based treatment protocols. HB 1057
continues the streak of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health care
choices around the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a patient,
not politicians.
â€œTransgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into
adulthood,â€ said Libby Skarin, policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. â€œWhen the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their
care, they lose those opportunities.â€
By blocking medical care supported by every major medical association, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association, the
legislature is compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm
their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general
health.
â€œEvery year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed,â€
Skarin says. â€œThe more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. Itâ€™s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that
matter to the people of South Dakota. Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the stateâ€™s real needs and hurts us all.â€
Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our stateâ€™s people and communities. As new laws are
created and others repealed or written, itâ€™s important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of civil
liberties and civil rights. The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is supported
by staff in those states.
The ACLU believes freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and religion, and the rights to due process, equal protection and privacy, are fundamental to a free people. In
addition, the ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ
communities. The ACLU of South Dakota carries out its work through selective litigation, lobbying at the state and local level, and through public education and
awareness of what the Bill of Rights means for the people of South Dakota.
###
From: Scott Newgent
Sent: 1/16/2020 11:12:07 AM
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe
Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin
Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
I ask that everyone reads this response to the suicide objection.
The suicide thing is an immediate go-to within the trans community. For me, I don't believe we need to hold back on this abusive stance, because that's what it is, scaring a group of people to manipulate them to think as they want you to or be
responsible for mass suicides.
Suicide actually goes up after transition, I read the statistics in this email, and I thought that and then boom there was proof. Let us also not forget about the two transgender people that were opposed to Fred's bathroom bill, the young lady
who I cannot find anywhere on the internet, and Terri Bruce, as many of you know Terry Bruce committed suicide, and he was wholly transitioned.
50% suicide rate after the transition poll we did in the little state of SD, that's powerful.
Here is a little insight into the transitioning medical process. What people don't realize is the enormous amount of societal norms for males and females. No one understands how much there are until you face the world in the opposite sex. For
years you are pounded with these thoughts in your mind,
"Did I handle that manly enough,"
"How was my voice, could people tell I'm trans?"
"Damn, do they think I'm gay."
It doesn't stop, and it takes a LONG, LONG time to work through this process.
bill https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/transgender-man-s-death-stops-lawsuit-against-state-of-south/article_5280c9cb-38bb-5d19-b8d6-a2d610690d65.htm
ANYONE and I mean that has an IN YOUR FACE the least bit about suicidal tendencies doesn't need to be anywhere near cross hormone drugs, or Lupron or surgery. To get surgery in most states, you have to get approval from 2 mental
health professionals, and if you exhibit any suicidal tendencies, you will not get approved. So why in the hell are we worrying about his objection? If a child is suicidal; medical transition should be the absolute last thing on the list. Call a
spade a spade; it's a ridiculous objection.
But, if we turn it around after we shut it down and talk to the ADULT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, like me and say,"
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of
transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and decide
to put themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives.
When we remove the transgender item from the discussion, and we think about these children as what they are, children it doesn't take long to realize, no one has the right to choose this for them.
Instead, let's embrace these kids, develop programs to validate their feelings, educate them on the wonders of the medical field, and what can be done when they become adults. Bring these kids together, normalize that these are feelings that a
lot of kids have, and some need to transition, and for most, it was a phase. Give them the opportunity to marinate in these feelings, mature, and comprehend them. Then when they are adults, they can choose, but while they are kids, let them
fantasize about what their adult lives and what they are going to become because at the end of the day, isn't that what childhood is about? Childhood eliminates huge life-changing decisions for a little bit of human life. This allows children to
run, play and dream. We remember childhood so vividly because it was a pure time, asking our kids to relinquish this for what usually turns out to be a phase is lazy parenting and, we have adults protecting this time, and for a good reason,
the innocents of a child are easily exploited.
What we have now is the exploitation of innocent children and the parents that want to remove any hurt that comes their way. These are good parents that have trans kids and fighting this bill. These are loving parents and truth be told if I
was not educated about med trans, I would be the first parent at the door of these clinics, and that scares the hell out of me.
Someone needs to be the adult in the room and explain to them that transgender identifying kids have a high probability of the gender confusing being a phase. We also need to explain to these parents the true nature and process of medical
transitioning because this Disney fairy tale that is out there now is the TRUE bigot in the room. It's not this bill or anyone representing this bill, we love transgender kids, we want them to grow up and be all they can be, and if that's medical
transitioning as an adult, then we will be the ones cheering for that success. But, now, right now, these kids need to be kids, and we are trying to help them do that.
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 12:24 AM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
anyway?
It’s typical emotional blackmail and raises more questions than it answers.
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This was a
30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-reassigned persons in Sweden.
(Dhejne C, et al, “Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden,” journals.plos.org, Feb. 22, 2011.)
Bailey and Blanchard: “There is no persuasive evidence that gender transition reduces gender dysphoric children’s likelihood of killing themselves.”…
“The idea that mental health problems–including suicidality–are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around … is currently popular
and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as likely to be false as true.”
(J. Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard, “Suicide or transition: The only options for gender dysphoric kids?” 4thwavenow.com, Sept. 8, 2017.
“Paradox. The suicide rate for AYA in the non-affirming 1950s USA was much lower than it is now. For both sexes, it was only 4.5 suicides per 100,000
AYA.”
Peaked in 1994 with a combined rate of 13.6; …declined slightly and then was more or less flat until 2011, when it began again to climb.”
The point from Hacsi is why weren’t the 1950s a total blood bath for suicides if non-affirmation of everything is the fast train to offing one’s self? Affirmation was
about nil. For the past decade GLBT affirmation has steadily increased while suicides have too. What gives then?
Richards C, Maxwell J, McCune N. Use of puberty blockers for gender dysphoria: a momentous step in the dark. Archives of Disease in Childhood 2019;104:611-
612
Andre


Fred — You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that “transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease
in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health”. One of our MD’s can then review them and provide refutation of their
alleged evidence.
Vernadette

<image001.png>
770.448.4525


<image003.png>
continues the streak of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
not politicians.
“Transgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into
adulthood,” said Libby Skarin, policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. “When the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their
care, they lose those opportunities.”
legislature is compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm
their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general
health.
“Every year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed,”
Skarin says. “The more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. It’s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter to
the people of South Dakota. Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the state’s real needs and hurts us all.”
Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our state’s people and communities. As new laws are
created and others repealed or written, it’s important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of
civil liberties and civil rights. The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is
supported by staff in those states.
addition, the ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ
###
Sent: 1/16/2020 1:20:45 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Well said, Scott. I esp. like high lighted portion.

Have you considered posting (or have you already posted) this somewhere on your website?
Michelle
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 2:12 PM Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:

The suicide thing is an immediate go-to within the trans community. For me, I don't believe we need to hold back on this abusive stance, because that's what it is, scaring a group of people to manipulate them to think as they want you to or
be responsible for mass suicides.
Here is a little insight into the transitioning medical process. What people don't realize is the enormous amount of societal norms for males and females. No one understands how much there are until you face the world in the opposite sex.
For years you are pounded with these thoughts in your mind,
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of
transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and
decide to put themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives.
Instead, let's embrace these kids, develop programs to validate their feelings, educate them on the wonders of the medical field, and what can be done when they become adults. Bring these kids together, normalize that these are feelings that
a lot of kids have, and some need to transition, and for most, it was a phase. Give them the opportunity to marinate in these feelings, mature, and comprehend them. Then when they are adults, they can choose, but while they are kids, let
them fantasize about what their adult lives and what they are going to become because at the end of the day, isn't that what childhood is about? Childhood eliminates huge life-changing decisions for a little bit of human life. This allows
children to run, play and dream. We remember childhood so vividly because it was a pure time, asking our kids to relinquish this for what usually turns out to be a phase is lazy parenting and, we have adults protecting this time, and for a
good reason, the innocents of a child are easily exploited.

Franklin.
anyway?
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This was
a 30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-reassigned persons in Sweden.
“The idea that mental health problems–including suicidality–are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around … is currently popular
and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as likely to be false as true.”
AYA.”
Richards C, Maxwell J, McCune N. Use of puberty blockers for gender dysphoria: a momentous step in the dark. Archives of Disease in
Childhood 2019;104:611-612
Andre


Fred — You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that “transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent
decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health”. One of our MD’s can then review them and provide
Vernadette

<image001.png>
770.448.4525


<image003.png>

continues the streak of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five
years.
choices around the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a
patient, not politicians.
legislature is compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families
affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and
general health.
No other state has passed a law like HB 1057. It is unconstitutional to single out one group of people and categorically ban all care, no matter how medically
necessary.
Skarin says. “The more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. It’s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter
to the people of South Dakota. Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the state’s real needs and hurts us all.”
The ACLU believes freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and religion, and the rights to due process, equal protection and privacy, are fundamental to a free people.
In addition, the ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ
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To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
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Agree. That would be a great reference on your site to refer to Scott, if not already there.
On 2020-01-16 13:20, Michelle Cretella wrote:

Michelle

The suicide thing is an immediate go-to within the trans community. For me, I don't believe we need to hold back on this abusive stance, because that's what it is, scaring a group of people to manipulate them to think as they want you to
or be responsible for mass suicides.
Suicide actually goes up after transition, I read the statistics in this email, and I thought that and then boom there was proof. Let us also not forget about the two transgender people that were opposed to Fred's bathroom bill, the young
lady who I cannot find anywhere on the internet, and Terri Bruce, as many of you know Terry Bruce committed suicide, and he was wholly transitioned.
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have
dozens of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy
bodies and decide to put themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives.
Instead, let's embrace these kids, develop programs to validate their feelings, educate them on the wonders of the medical field, and what can be done when they become adults. Bring these kids together, normalize that these are feelings
that a lot of kids have, and some need to transition, and for most, it was a phase. Give them the opportunity to marinate in these feelings, mature, and comprehend them. Then when they are adults, they can choose, but while they are kids,
let them fantasize about what their adult lives and what they are going to become because at the end of the day, isn't that what childhood is about? Childhood eliminates huge life-changing decisions for a little bit of human life. This
allows children to run, play and dream. We remember childhood so vividly because it was a pure time, asking our kids to relinquish this for what usually turns out to be a phase is lazy parenting and, we have adults protecting this time,
and for a good reason, the innocents of a child are easily exploited.
What we have now is the exploitation of innocent children and the parents that want to remove any hurt that comes their way. These are good parents that have trans kids and fighting this bill. These are loving parents and truth be told if
I was not educated about med trans, I would be the first parent at the door of these clinics, and that scares the hell out of me.
Someone needs to be the adult in the room and explain to them that transgender identifying kids have a high probability of the gender confusing being a phase. We also need to explain to these parents the true nature and process of
medical transitioning because this Disney fairy tale that is out there now is the TRUE bigot in the room. It's not this bill or anyone representing this bill, we love transgender kids, we want them to grow up and be all they can be, and if
that's medical transitioning as an adult, then we will be the ones cheering for that success. But, now, right now, these kids need to be kids, and we are trying to help them do that.
photo Thomas Scott Newgent

Franklin.
anyway?
It's typical emotional blackmail and raises more questions than it answers.
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This
was a 30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-reassigned persons in Sweden.
(Dhejne C, et al, "Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden," journals.plos.org, Feb. 22,
2011.)
Bailey and Blanchard: "There is no persuasive evidence that gender transition reduces gender dysphoric children's likelihood of killing themselves."...
"The idea that mental health problems–including suicidality–are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around ... is currently
popular and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as likely to be false as true."
(J. Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard, "Suicide or transition: The only options for gender dysphoric kids?" 4thwavenow.com, Sept. 8, 2017.
"Paradox. The suicide rate for AYA in the non-affirming 1950s USA was much lower than it is now. For both sexes, it was only 4.5 suicides per 100,000
AYA."
Peaked in 1994 with a combined rate of 13.6; ...declined slightly and then was more or less flat until 2011, when it began again to climb."
(Hacsi Horvath, Dec. 19, 2018.(https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-
affirmation-and-transgender-identity/)
The point from Hacsi is why weren't the 1950s a total blood bath for suicides if non-affirmation of everything is the fast train to offing one's self? Affirmation was
Childhood 2019;104:611-612
Andre

Probably not appropriate to contact ACLU. They claim suicidal thoughts and attempts reduce when families affirm their gender identity. Our bill does not prevent that. It only prevents medicalization.
Family love, support and social transition is not addressed by our bill. - Fred

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Fred — You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that "transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in
suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health". One of our MD's can then review them and provide refutation of their alleged
evidence.
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The bill, which was introduced Tuesday, would make it a felony for medical providers to treat youth consistent with evidence-based treatment protocols. HB 1057 continues
the streak of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health care choices
around the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a patient, not politicians.
"Transgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into adulthood," said
Libby Skarin, policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. "When the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their care, they lose those
opportunities."
By blocking medical care supported by every major medical association, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association, the legislature
is compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm their gender
identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health.
"Every year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed," Skarin
says. "The more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. It's time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter to the people
of South Dakota. Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the state's real needs and hurts us all."

Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our state's people and communities. As new laws are created
and others repealed or written, it's important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of civil
liberties and civil rights. The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is supported by
staff in those states.
addition, the ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ communities.
The ACLU of South Dakota carries out its work through selective litigation, lobbying at the state and local level, and through public education and awareness of what the Bill of
Rights means for the people of South Dakota.
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From: Scott Newgent
Sent: 1/16/2020 3:28:30 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Thanks. I'm putting a video together for Family 1st here in the next day or so, I'll put the highlighted in it.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 4:20 PM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Michelle

The suicide thing is an immediate go-to within the trans community. For me, I don't believe we need to hold back on this abusive stance, because that's what it is, scaring a group of people to manipulate them to think as they want you to
or be responsible for mass suicides.
Suicide actually goes up after transition, I read the statistics in this email, and I thought that and then boom there was proof. Let us also not forget about the two transgender people that were opposed to Fred's bathroom bill, the young
lady who I cannot find anywhere on the internet, and Terri Bruce, as many of you know Terry Bruce committed suicide, and he was wholly transitioned.
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens
of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and
Instead, let's embrace these kids, develop programs to validate their feelings, educate them on the wonders of the medical field, and what can be done when they become adults. Bring these kids together, normalize that these are feelings
that a lot of kids have, and some need to transition, and for most, it was a phase. Give them the opportunity to marinate in these feelings, mature, and comprehend them. Then when they are adults, they can choose, but while they are kids,
let them fantasize about what their adult lives and what they are going to become because at the end of the day, isn't that what childhood is about? Childhood eliminates huge life-changing decisions for a little bit of human life. This allows
Someone needs to be the adult in the room and explain to them that transgender identifying kids have a high probability of the gender confusing being a phase. We also need to explain to these parents the true nature and process of
medical transitioning because this Disney fairy tale that is out there now is the TRUE bigot in the room. It's not this bill or anyone representing this bill, we love transgender kids, we want them to grow up and be all they can be, and if
that's medical transitioning as an adult, then we will be the ones cheering for that success. But, now, right now, these kids need to be kids, and we are trying to help them do that.

Franklin.
anyway?
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This
was a 30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-reassigned persons in Sweden.
(Dhejne C, et al, “Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden,” journals.plos.org, Feb. 22,
2011.)
“The idea that mental health problems–including suicidality–are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around … is currently
popular and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as likely to be false as true.”
AYA.”
(Hacsi Horvath, Dec. 19, 2018.(https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-
affirmation-and-transgender-identity/)
Childhood 2019;104:611-612
Andre


Cc: Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; James
Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder
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years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health
care choices around the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a
patient, not politicians.
general health.
No other state has passed a law like HB 1057. It is unconstitutional to single out one group of people and categorically ban all care, no matter how medically
necessary.
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Sent: 1/16/2020 3:31:39 PM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles"
"Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
"Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Bcc:
For those of you not familiar with this article, the media has done quite an about-face with Lupron since 2009. It went from being demonized for use on kids with autism to being hailed for
use on kids with gender dysphoria, aka autism.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/chi-autism-lupron-may21-story.html
On Thursday, January 16, 2020, 06:28:43 PM EST, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks. I'm putting a video together for Family 1st here in the next day or so, I'll put the highlighted in it.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 4:20 PM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Michelle
The suicide thing is an immediate go-to within the trans community. For me, I don't believe we need to hold back on this abusive stance, because that's what it is, scaring a group of people to manipulate them to think as they want you to or
be responsible for mass suicides.

"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens
of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and
Instead, let's embrace these kids, develop programs to validate their feelings, educate them on the wonders of the medical field, and what can be done when they become adults. Bring these kids together, normalize that these are feelings that
a lot of kids have, and some need to transition, and for most, it was a phase. Give them the opportunity to marinate in these feelings, mature, and comprehend them. Then when they are adults, they can choose, but while they are kids, let
them fantasize about what their adult lives and what they are going to become because at the end of the day, isn't that what childhood is about? Childhood eliminates huge life-changing decisions for a little bit of human life. This allows

Franklin.
Yes, we can pretty much guess what that study actually looked at and actually showed, but what is the citation anyway?
A 2011 Swedish study of post-gender-reassignment adults showed a suicide rate 19 times (1,900%) that of the general population after 10 years. This was a 30-year population-based matched cohort study of all 324 sex-
reassigned persons in Sweden.
“The idea that mental health problems–including suicidality–are caused by gender dysphoria rather than the other way around … is currently popular and politically correct. It is, however, unproven and as
likely to be false as true.”
(J. Michael Bailey and Ray Blanchard, “Suicide or transition: The only options for gender dysphoric kids?” 4thwavenow.com, Sept. 8, 2017. https://4thwavenow.com/2017/09/08/suicide-or-transition-the-only-options-for-gender-
dysphoric-kids/)
“Paradox. The suicide rate for AYA in the non-affirming 1950s USA was much lower than it is now. For both sexes, it was only 4.5 suicides per 100,000 AYA.”
(Hacsi Horvath, Dec. 19, 2018.(https://4thwavenow.com/2018/12/19/the-theatre-of-the-body-a-detransitioned-epidemiologist-examines-suicidality-affirmation-and-transgender-identity/)
The point from Hacsi is why weren’t the 1950s a total blood bath for suicides if non-affirmation of everything is the fast train to offing one’s self? Affirmation was about nil. For the past decade GLBT affirmation has steadily
increased while suicides have too. What gives then?

Richards C, Maxwell J, McCune N. Use of puberty blockers for gender dysphoria: a momentous step in the dark. Archives of Disease in Childhood 2019;104:611-612
Andre

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not politicians.
general health.
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Sent: 1/19/2020 10:24:42 AM
To: "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
Cc: "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
"Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
Dr. Cretella,
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come
with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled
pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to
transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying"
as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse
or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very
few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to kids and I was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust
me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the
starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt
pass.
Scott
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 9:31:56 AM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred
Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder"
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Sent from my iPhone
ï»¿
pass.
Scott
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 10:42:21 AM
To: "Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: RE: ACLU
Please consider this as a warning that it will come back to bite you when the ACLU files suit.
James
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 1:29 PM, Fred Deutsch

<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
I’ll let Scott make the call. There is no quid pro quo. Just a desire to help kids. - Fred

Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; QUENTIN VAN METER
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Vernadette
Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Horvath
Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>;
Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Dr. Cretella,
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements
come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have
compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals
that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in
the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying"
as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse
or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go
through this.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out
and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end
well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-

threatens-economic-development/4503457002/
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 10:32:59 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
James,
FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of Fred’s key witnesses...
MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:24 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dr. Cretella,
endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite
sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the
true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes,
while they were born in the wrong body.
"identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of
our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't
endorse or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we are
saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some,
very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through this.
appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to
trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will
be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if
this doesnt pass.
Scott
Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/19/2020 2:46:53 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
Attachments: magadoll.transsexual.global.alliance.PNG
Here's your requested proof, Scott.
And I stand by what I said. Until you renounce that fake male identity, reclaim your female birth sex, and quit calling yourself Scott, my advice to leadership is you and all those like you get
canned from this endeavor.
The whole lot of you are like drug addicts with a syringe hanging out of your arms, while preaching: "hey kids, this is harmful stuff, don't be like us." You can do everything you're doing now
as a female.
If you folks want to exercise adult autonomy and destroy your bodies under the pretense of being the "real deal" transsexual and under the guise of "it's transition or suicide" and "this is
medically necessary and insurance companies should pay for our surgeries," which are really lifestyle decisions in my view and based on my experience: go ahead. But don't expect
society to get rewired to accommodate your cosmetically altered appearance and people to indulge your delusions about not being female, and religious folks to change their beliefs
based on biblical teachings.
I've said everything I need to say at this point.
James
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 05:33:14 PM EST, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored them. I have never heard your name or ever considered reaching out to you
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce ( publically, that is not true)the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and
have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong
body.
I do not believe I am a biological male

I do not condone sexual paraphilias or fetishes or
I am not the pronoun police
Please send me a link to this organization you are speaking of because it's definitely not mine.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
James
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 5:25 PM Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:

Dr. Cretella,
I just started www.transsexualglobalalliance.org and I've never reached out to you. I also, dont believe in what you are speaking about. I'm confused, I believe we might me speaking about two different organizations.
Scott
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 1:29 PM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
I’ll let Scott make the call. There is no quid pro quo. Just a desire to help kids. - Fred

Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Laidlaw Michael
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; MD Paul
Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Dr. Cretella,
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have
compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were
born in the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in
fact.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through this.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt
pass.
Scott
Fred
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Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
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Hi Vernadette,
I live in Ocala, FL.
Honestly, I'm in intensive mental health therapy and it's best that at least for now I don't overly stress myself.
With my PTSD and anxiety disorder it takes a tremendous toll on me to do public appearances.
So if absolutely necessary I'll do it but best to instead use my new court order as much as possible to get it
introduced into cases and legislative records, according to Richard Mast.
James
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:50 PM, Vernadette Broyles

<vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Jamie
Is there any chance you would be willing to testify her in Georgia? We expect it would be sometime the first week
of February, but don’t have a specific date yet. Can we talk about this soon?
Please remind me what state you live in?
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred
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Sent: 1/21/2020 11:05:43 AM
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Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
I hope others will step forward and work hard to convince Fred he's going to do serious damage putting a pro-
transition transsexual on the stand that's still identifying as a male.
Thanks for speaking up.
James

Jamie is right. Jane Robbins shares with me that last night a GA lawyer shared with her (after she spoke at a
gathering) that his former client is a trans-identified individual who had sued his employer baed on his trans
status -- and yet is still completely opposed to children going through these interventions.
Vernadette


770.448.4525
pass.
Scott
Fred
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Sent: 1/21/2020 11:17:51 AM
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I understand. You got to see how emotional and painful this was when I spoke at the Atlanta event this summer. It
really drains me but as I said if necessary and winning or losing is on the line don't hesitate to contact me. I've
even turned down TV appearances in the past year because it's so tough.
James

Jamie
I do not want to compromise your mental health. I would only reach out again if we are in dire need here in GA.
Know that I and others are praying for you.
Vernadette


770.448.4525
Hi Vernadette,
Honestly, I'm in intensive mental health therapy and it's best that at least for now I don't overly stress
myself. With my PTSD and anxiety disorder it takes a tremendous toll on me to do public appearances.
So if absolutely necessary I'll do it but best to instead use my new court order as much as possible to get
it introduced into cases and legislative records, according to Richard Mast.
James

Jamie
Is there any chance you would be willing to testify her in Georgia? We expect it would be sometime the
first week of February, but don’t have a specific date yet. Can we talk about this soon?
Vernadette

<PastedGraphic-14.png>

770.448.4525

Fred
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Sent: 1/21/2020 1:59:01 PM
To: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
I feel comfortable sharing this with you two, but I have serious reservations about a person like Scott Newgent, who's still drinking the trans kool-aid, and still pro-transition, having access to
all of these emails.
Maybe Fred can be swayed or at least educated about that danger.
James
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 02:00:42 PM EST, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Jamie is right. Jane Robbins shares with me that last night a GA lawyer shared with her (after she spoke at a gathering) that his former client is a trans-identified individual who had sued his employer baed on his trans
Vernadette

770.448.4525

Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
Fred
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Sent: 1/21/2020 10:50:14 AM
To: "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
Jamie
Is there any chance you would be willing to testify her in Georgia? We expect it would be sometime the first week
of February, but don’t have a specific date yet. Can we talk about this soon?
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred
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Sent: 1/21/2020 11:00:39 AM
Cc: "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Quentin Van Meter"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Natasha
Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Jamie is right. Jane Robbins shares with me that last night a GA lawyer shared with her (after she spoke at a
gathering) that his former client is a trans-identified individual who had sued his employer baed on his trans
Vernadette

770.448.4525
pass.
Scott
Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/21/2020 11:12:14 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
Jamie
I do not want to compromise your mental health. I would only reach out again if we are in dire need here in GA.
Know that I and others are praying for you.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Hi Vernadette,
Honestly, I'm in intensive mental health therapy and it's best that at least for now I don't overly stress
myself. With my PTSD and anxiety disorder it takes a tremendous toll on me to do public appearances.
So if absolutely necessary I'll do it but best to instead use my new court order as much as possible to get
it introduced into cases and legislative records, according to Richard Mast.
James

Jamie
Is there any chance you would be willing to testify her in Georgia? We expect it would be sometime the
first week of February, but don’t have a specific date yet. Can we talk about this soon?
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/21/2020 2:03:08 PM
Cc: "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ACLU
Tonight would not be a good time to try to communicate with him about this since the hearing is tomorrow and I’m
sure he’s stressed. After that I would suggest sending him a private email. I can also mention your concerns as
well.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
I feel comfortable sharing this with you two, but I have serious reservations about a person like Scott Newgent, who's still drinking the trans kool-aid, and still pro-transition,
having access to all of these emails.
Maybe Fred can be swayed or at least educated about that danger.
James
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 02:00:42 PM EST, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Jamie is right. Jane Robbins shares with me that last night a GA lawyer shared with her (after she spoke at a gathering) that his former client is a trans-identified individual who had sued his employer baed on
his trans status -- and yet is still completely opposed to children going through these interventions.
Vernadette
770.448.4525

Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this
doesnt pass.
Scott
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 4:19:53 AM
Cc: "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder"
Bcc:
Subject: Re: ACLU
I'm not sure about the legality or if it's doxing?
Fred has to answer that, but here in Florida, they've been going after the wife of a representative too.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/democrats_block_anti_castration_florida
There's a long history of trans activists using bullying tactics dating back to Dr. Bailey's book The Man Who Would Be Queen when they went after his kids and his job.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html
It's worked, so they work it. Most female academics are terrified of them.
Also the reason I now live in a community with a guarded gate.
On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 11:55:15 PM EST, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn’t that pretty much like doxing? Isn’t that prosecutable? Even prosecutable by an ACLU attorney?
:-)
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Fred
From: Jon Uhler
Sent: 8/23/2019 9:14:37 AM
To: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary
McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc:
Subject: Re: Amici brief for SCOTUS
Some more encouragement & hopefully some ammunition for everyone. Andre, you mentioned the Christian Post, so it jogged my mind that maybe folks hadn't seen this. I'm getting some neat radio interview requests (one
happening this afternoon on drive-time with, Washington Watch, the radio program for the Family Research Counsel at 5:22pm EST.
I think the tide is starting to turn against the perpetrators, as parents are awakening!
Drag Queen Story Hour 'greatest grooming program ever devised,' counselor says
Drag Queen Story Hour 'greatest grooming

program ever devised,' counselo...
A clinical counselor who has worked with over 4,000 serial
predators is urging parents to be vigilant after a Te...
On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:09:17 PM EDT, Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Outstanding! And, I posted your article on my Twitter page last night. :) Thanks for your hard work in this fight.
Hola, Team SD.
Andre
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From: Jon Uhler
Sent: 8/23/2019 9:17:50 AM
"pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc:
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Also, this one just came in... so, let's take heart... we're starting to see some good public awakening!
Inline image
Hola, Team SD.

Andre
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/23/2019 9:20:35 AM
To: "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>
Cc: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>
Jon, Iâ€™ve been posting the â€œDrag Queen Story Hourâ€ article all over and have been seeing others do the same. :)
Andre
On Aug 23, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com> wrote:

Some more encouragement & hopefully some ammunition for everyone. Andre, you mentioned the Christian Post, so it jogged my mind that maybe folks hadn't seen this. I'm getting some neat radio interview
requests (one happening this afternoon on drive-time with, Washington Watch, the radio program for the Family Research Counsel at 5:22pm EST.
I think the tide is starting to turn against the perpetrators, as parents are awakening!
Drag Queen Story Hour 'greatest grooming program ever devised,' counselor says
Drag Queen Story Hour 'greatest grooming

program ever devised,' counselo...
A clinical counselor who has worked with over 4,000 serial
predators is urging parents to be vigilant after a Te...
On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:09:17 PM EDT, Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hola, Team SD.

I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici,
which was not that hard to disprove, IMHO. Itâ€™s the best I think weâ€™ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be
kept out of communications involving this, as he is job hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not appear on it (such is how
group projects often go and so be it). Donâ€™t fear the page count, citations run up through page 18.
Andre
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From: VBroyles
Sent: 8/23/2019 12:09:31 PM
Cc: "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net"
Andre and Michelle
This is such an important work â€” we are all in your debt for unbending this contorted ideology and articulating
truth! I simply cannot wait to read it â€” and USE it.
Vernadette

5805 State Bridge Rd, Suite G310
Johns Creek GA 30097
Phone: 770-448-4525
On Aug 23, 2019, at 1:02 PM, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Hola, Team SD.
I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this
amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not
that hard to disprove, IMHO. Itâ€™s the best I think weâ€™ve ever done, though admittedly the others were
Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications
involving this, as he is job hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor
authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be
it). Donâ€™t fear the page count, citations run up through page 18.
<Amicus SCOTUS Harris. 18-107 Amicus BOM National Medical and Policy Groups - Filed Version.pdf>
Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post,
several bloggers already posted, other cool stuff, etc.
Andre
From: Jon Uhler
Sent: 8/23/2019 9:09:17 AM
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc:
Hola, Team SD.

Andre
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 7:44:57 AM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Blanchard Reference Article
Thank you. You likely also saw this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/young-trans-children-know-who-they-are/580366/
I imagine we’ll face attacks similar to those put forward by this writer. - Fred

Rep. Deutsch,

Subject: RE: update

P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873

Subject: RE: update

Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com

Subject: Re: update
Fred,
Andre
Sent from my iPhone


Subject: Re: update

Amen
Sent from my iPhone

Subject: Re: update
bewildering.
Andre


Subject: Re: update
disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male,

Subject: Re: update
different.
Fred
--
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 7:17:24 AM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Blanchard Reference Article
Thank you. - Fred

Rep. Deutsch,

Subject: RE: update

P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873

Subject: RE: update

Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com
Subject: Re: update
Fred,
Andre
Sent from my iPhone


Subject: Re: update

Amen
Sent from my iPhone


Subject: Re: update
bewildering.
Andre


Subject: Re: update
disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological
state of being female or male,

Subject: Re: update
different.
Fred
--
Sent: 1/23/2020 10:57:21 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: CNN article
Rep. Deutsch,
My advice is to get assistance from a couple of the group members like Jane, Michelle, etc. and attack the methodology. When the ROGD study was done by Litman, the activists attacked
her for soliciting parents skeptical of transition from places like 4thwavenow.com. This survey did the exact same thing, canvasing LGBT centers. Even worse 18-36 year-olds were
answering the question for kids. There was prize money offered to take the survey, etc. etc. All of this is detailed in the methodology section.
James
On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 01:52:22 PM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Saw the CNN article you put on Twitter. This will be the evidence used against us on Monday as we debate the issue on the floor. How do you suggest we respond? - Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/28/2020 11:36:15 AM
To: "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>,
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella
Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Margaret
Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy
Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer
Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen"
<jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: Comment on Turban PB paper
Paul, this is superb. Admittedly the stat talk run over my head a bit, but your descriptions of their significance
are quite clear. Youâ€™re as busy as any of us, but can you let us know when this comment is published? I could use
it in a few upcoming talks and perhaps testimonies.
Gratefully,
Andre
On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Paul Hruz <hruz_p007@att.net> wrote:
FYI: We submitted an online comment to Pediatrics a few days ago (necessary prelude to consideration for publishing "letter to editor") pointing out the problems with the most
recent Turban et al study claiming Pubertal blockade saves lives. According to the journal, it will take up to 3 days for them to decide whether or not to post. Still waiting... Here
is the text of our comments:
Suicidality in Gender Dysphoric Youth Offered Pubertal Blockade Remains Alarmingly High
Paul W. Hruz, Lawrence S. Mayer and Walter R. Schumm
The article by Turban et al.1 is being widely interpreted as providing evidence that GnRH agonists are beneficial in preventing suicide in transgender youth. This includes an
accompanying AAP news article2. This conclusion is not warranted from the article. While the authors acknowledge that, as a cross-sectional study, their data cannot establish
causal relationship between pubertal blockade and suicidality, they fail to emphasize that those who received puberty blockade, and those that did not, both had alarmingly high
rates of suicidal ideation (50% or higher) within the last year, rates strikingly similar to those previously reported for transgender adults3. There was no difference between the
study groups when comparing a more robust measure of suicidal risk: ideation with a plan. Furthermore, those receiving GnRH agonists had higher rates of hospitalization for
suicide attempts when compared to those not receiving this medication. The argument that there was a lack of statistical power is an assumed explanation for these effects,
and is often used by scientists when their hypothesis is not supported by the data. An equally plausible explanation is that suicidal risk is almost independent of taking GnRH
agonists because pubertal blockade fails to address important co-occurring psychological issues. The study has several methodological weaknesses. Community-based
samples of patients identifying as transgender are rife with ascertainment biases. Gender dysphoric youth who do not identify as transgender later in life are not in the sample.
The influence of pubertal blockade on their identity and suicidality are not considered. It is not surprising that patients who identify as transgender later in life value an
intervention that supported their early identification and that patients that desired but did not receive that intervention over-estimate its value. The most meaningful comparison
should be between patients that receive the intervention and those that do not regardless of whether the treatment was offered and regardless of whether they identify as
transgender later in life. Secondly, since gender dysphoria experienced by these patients is influenced by a myriad of factors, it is misleading to base conclusions about the
benefit of receiving GnRH agonist on any univariate analyses. To achieve reliable conclusions on suicide risk, more complex modeling assessing multiple inter-related
contributors is required. Notably, all but one of the univariate results is non-significant when controlling for but a few background factors. Although the odds ratio for lifetime
suicidality remains significant, the Pearson correlation is surprisingly small, < .08, yielding a very small effect size (Cohen's d < .20) and does not assess current or future
suicide risk. Thus, from this survey it is an unjustifiable stretch to conclude, or even suggest, that for gender dysphoric youth, pubertal blockade is a lifesaving intervention. The
observed outcomes for young adults who experience a gender identity that is discordant with biological sex leads to serious concerns about the long-term efficacy of puberty
blockade. Further research into this complex and poorly understood population is needed. Until this research is published caution is required in recommending GnRH agonists
to alter the natural course of puberty.
1. Turban et al. Pubertal Suppression for Transgender Youth and Risk of Suicidal Ideation. Pediatrics. Jan. 23, 2020, https://doi.org/10.1542/peds.2019-1725)
2. Jenco, Blocking puberty in transgender teens linked to lower likelihood of suicidal thoughts. AAP News January 23, 2020.
https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/01/23/pubertysuppression012320
3. Adams, Hitomi & Moody, Varied Reports of Adult Suicidality: Synthesizing and Describing the Peer-Reviewed and Gray Literature. Transgender Health 2.1:60-75, 2017
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:02:09 AM CST, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
For suicides attempts and hospitalization after hormonal therapy, the 2019 Branstrom study from Sweden (by way of Yale, naturally) also showed no improvement (they claimed it for SRS/GAS, but actually
failed to show it credibly). Me, Mike, Miriam and Paul McHugh (lottaâ€™ Mâ€™s there) have a letter to the editor of AJP criticizing the study that is going through peer review now.
Mike pretty much hit it out of the park with his answer to the 7 Qs.
Andre
On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:21 AM, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Here are my thoughts on those items, Fred:

1. Suicide rates go up
Kids who are suicidal need competent mental health care, not sterilization.
The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still
left people at a 19X higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with
body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide
attempts.
2. Impact economy
[I'll leave this to the econ people]
3. Interferes with doctor-patient relationship

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of
the risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an
unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.
4. Interferes with parental rights

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality
evidence in the 2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of care.
The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly researched
subject.
5. Parents must give consent â€“ therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment.
However, the harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of physicians who have
performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and
perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore
the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
6. PB are reversible
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal development can never be regained.
A key period of bone strengthening is affected putting the child at risk for adult osteoporosis.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because they have not been studied.
body.
Also a key time of growing together and interacting with peers and reaching important psychosocial milestones is lost forever.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a
bunch of students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next
grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers ever be the same?
7. Bill is unconstitutional
[Will leave to attorneys and legislators]
-Mike
On 2020-01-27 03:55, patrick Lappert wrote:

I think one has to be prepared to dismantle the validity of the WPATH guidelines:
-Where WPATH came from
-How the guidelines were crafted
-How they are ignored, even by adherents.
PWL
On January 26, 2020 at 11:28 PM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and residents, and the AMA really isn't the A-MA.
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people don't seem
to get that.
Andre
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Bernard Hudson < loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of physicians and medical students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership
over the decades.
The issue will be that a physician is not a consensus doctor if not abiding by AMA affirmation guidelines.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus physician and clearly harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High
School Counselors Association!
Accept this approach as typical.
BH
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:44 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
That you're going against the advice of the American Medical Association and WPATH, etc.
Note: This email chain had Kara Dansky and Greg Scott, please remove them if you respond.
James
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:39:39 PM EST, Fred Deutsch < fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
Patrick W. Lappert, MD
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
From: QUENTIN VAN METER
Sent: 1/28/2020 3:07:07 PM
To: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle"
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Margaret Clarke"
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Ditto for me!
Quentin
Paul, this is superb. Admittedly the stat talk run over my head a bit, but your descriptions of their
significance are quite clear. Youâ€™re as busy as any of us, but can you let us know when this comment is
published? I could use it in a few upcoming talks and perhaps testimonies.
Gratefully,
Andre
On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Paul Hruz < hruz_p007@att.net> wrote:
FYI: We submitted an online comment to Pediatrics a few days ago (necessary prelude to consideration for publishing "letter to editor") pointing out the problems
with the most recent Turban et al study claiming Pubertal blockade saves lives. According to the journal, it will take up to 3 days for them to decide whether or not to
post. Still waiting... Here is the text of our comments:
The article by Turban et al.1 is being widely interpreted as providing evidence that GnRH agonists are beneficial in preventing suicide in transgender youth. This
includes an accompanying AAP news article2. This conclusion is not warranted from the article. While the authors acknowledge that, as a cross-sectional study, their
data cannot establish causal relationship between pubertal blockade and suicidality, they fail to emphasize that those who received puberty blockade, and those
that did not, both had alarmingly high rates of suicidal ideation (50% or higher) within the last year, rates strikingly similar to those previously reported for
transgender adults3. There was no difference between the study groups when comparing a more robust measure of suicidal risk: ideation with a plan. Furthermore,
those receiving GnRH agonists had higher rates of hospitalization for suicide attempts when compared to those not receiving this medication. The argument that
there was a lack of statistical power is an assumed explanation for these effects, and is often used by scientists when their hypothesis is not supported by the data.
An equally plausible explanation is that suicidal risk is almost independent of taking GnRH agonists because pubertal blockade fails to address important co-
occurring psychological issues. The study has several methodological weaknesses. Community-based samples of patients identifying as transgender are rife with
ascertainment biases. Gender dysphoric youth who do not identify as transgender later in life are not in the sample. The influence of pubertal blockade on their
identity and suicidality are not considered. It is not surprising that patients who identify as transgender later in life value an intervention that supported their early
identification and that patients that desired but did not receive that intervention over-estimate its value. The most meaningful comparison should be between
patients that receive the intervention and those that do not regardless of whether the treatment was offered and regardless of whether they identify as transgender
later in life. Secondly, since gender dysphoria experienced by these patients is influenced by a myriad of factors, it is misleading to base conclusions about the
benefit of receiving GnRH agonist on any univariate analyses. To achieve reliable conclusions on suicide risk, more complex modeling assessing multiple inter-
related contributors is required. Notably, all but one of the univariate results is non-significant when controlling for but a few background factors. Although the odds
ratio for lifetime suicidality remains significant, the Pearson correlation is surprisingly small, < .08, yielding a very small effect size (Cohen's d < .20) and does not
assess current or future suicide risk. Thus, from this survey it is an unjustifiable stretch to conclude, or even suggest, that for gender dysphoric youth, pubertal
blockade is a lifesaving intervention. The observed outcomes for young adults who experience a gender identity that is discordant with biological sex leads to
serious concerns about the long-term efficacy of puberty blockade. Further research into this complex and poorly understood population is needed. Until this
research is published caution is required in recommending GnRH agonists to alter the natural course of puberty.
3. Adams, Hitomi & Moody, Varied Reports of Adult Suicidality: Synthesizing and Describing the Peer-Reviewed and Gray Literature. Transgender Health
2.1:60-75, 2017
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:02:09 AM CST, Andre Van Mol < 95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
For suicides attempts and hospitalization after hormonal therapy, the 2019 Branstrom study from Sweden (by way of Yale, naturally) also showed no improvement (they claimed it for SRS/GAS,
but actually failed to show it credibly). Me, Mike, Miriam and Paul McHugh (lottaâ€™ Mâ€™s there) have a letter to the editor of AJP criticizing the study that is going through peer review now.
Andre

The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment
surgery still left people at a 19X higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater
dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient
hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy
Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full
disclosure of the risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then
the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no
quality evidence in the 2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments are NOT
standards of care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete
information on a poorly researched subject.
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits
of treatment. However, the harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of
physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed
by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the
duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater
dissatisfaction with body.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in
class with a bunch of students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying
to catch up to the next grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
On January 26, 2020 at 11:28 PM Andre Van Mol < 95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific
organizations, and people don't seem to get that.
Andre
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing patients, and infants
are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and psychological organizations
including, My God Yes!, the American High School Counselors Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
From: Paul Hruz
Sent: 1/28/2020 9:21:01 AM
Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
FYI: We submitted an online comment to Pediatrics a few days ago (necessary prelude to consideration for publishing "letter to editor") pointing out the problems with the most recent
Turban et al study claiming Pubertal blockade saves lives. According to the journal, it will take up to 3 days for them to decide whether or not to post. Still waiting... Here is the text of our
comments:
The article by Turban et al.1 is being widely interpreted as providing evidence that GnRH agonists are beneficial in preventing suicide in transgender youth. This includes an accompanying
AAP news article2. This conclusion is not warranted from the article. While the authors acknowledge that, as a cross-sectional study, their data cannot establish causal relationship
between pubertal blockade and suicidality, they fail to emphasize that those who received puberty blockade, and those that did not, both had alarmingly high rates of suicidal ideation (50%
or higher) within the last year, rates strikingly similar to those previously reported for transgender adults3. There was no difference between the study groups when comparing a more
robust measure of suicidal risk: ideation with a plan. Furthermore, those receiving GnRH agonists had higher rates of hospitalization for suicide attempts when compared to those not
receiving this medication. The argument that there was a lack of statistical power is an assumed explanation for these effects, and is often used by scientists when their hypothesis is not
supported by the data. An equally plausible explanation is that suicidal risk is almost independent of taking GnRH agonists because pubertal blockade fails to address important co-
occurring psychological issues. The study has several methodological weaknesses. Community-based samples of patients identifying as transgender are rife with ascertainment biases.
Gender dysphoric youth who do not identify as transgender later in life are not in the sample. The influence of pubertal blockade on their identity and suicidality are not considered. It is not
surprising that patients who identify as transgender later in life value an intervention that supported their early identification and that patients that desired but did not receive that intervention
over-estimate its value. The most meaningful comparison should be between patients that receive the intervention and those that do not regardless of whether the treatment was offered
and regardless of whether they identify as transgender later in life. Secondly, since gender dysphoria experienced by these patients is influenced by a myriad of factors, it is misleading to
base conclusions about the benefit of receiving GnRH agonist on any univariate analyses. To achieve reliable conclusions on suicide risk, more complex modeling assessing multiple inter-
related contributors is required. Notably, all but one of the univariate results is non-significant when controlling for but a few background factors. Although the odds ratio for lifetime
suicidality remains significant, the Pearson correlation is surprisingly small, < .08, yielding a very small effect size (Cohen's d < .20) and does not assess current or future suicide risk. Thus,
from this survey it is an unjustifiable stretch to conclude, or even suggest, that for gender dysphoric youth, pubertal blockade is a lifesaving intervention. The observed outcomes for young
adults who experience a gender identity that is discordant with biological sex leads to serious concerns about the long-term efficacy of puberty blockade. Further research into this
complex and poorly understood population is needed. Until this research is published caution is required in recommending GnRH agonists to alter the natural course of puberty.
3. Adams, Hitomi & Moody, Varied Reports of Adult Suicidality: Synthesizing and Describing the Peer-Reviewed and Gray Literature. Transgender Health 2.1:60-75, 2017
On Monday, January 27, 2020, 11:02:09 AM CST, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
For suicides attempts and hospitalization after hormonal therapy, the 2019 Branstrom study from Sweden (by way of Yale, naturally) also showed no improvement (they claimed it for SRS/GAS, but actually failed to show it
credibly). Me, Mike, Miriam and Paul McHugh (lotta’ M’s there) have a letter to the editor of AJP criticizing the study that is going through peer review now.
Andre

The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left people at
a 19X higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the risks
and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-
patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality evidence in the
2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to
prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly researched subject.
5. Parents must give consent – therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However,
the harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of physicians who have performed the surgeries or
given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It is not the
job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the
doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a bunch of
students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the
important sixth grade experiences with peers ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people don't seem to get
that.
Andre
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the
decades.
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School
Counselors Association!

BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
Parents must give consent – therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not the doctor
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/13/2019 5:06:43 PM
To: "Media Team" <media@womensliberationfront.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Connecting Kara and Jamie
Hi Kara,
Our thoughts are very much aligned on this, my heart breaks too for these parents. I'm basically doing this for them. Your story is heartbreaking too. Ugh. I have a daughter and I can't bear to
think about her going down this path, it's beyond comprehensible.
It's not lost on me about the friction within the lesbian community on this issue. I've seen Cathy Brennan criticizing WOLF for working with conservatives and religious elements, but that's the
only way I see forward. It's also the only way I see to win this. And it's my strategy.
I know there's all sorts of talk about "losing gay marriage," but the way this is going there isn't going to be a lesbian community if the trans problem isn't stopped. As people fight over
something that "might happen," more and more women just like the person close to you are getting sucked in and harmed. I feel like people need to start recognizing this immediate harm
over the "possible harm."
My strategy is I am going to continue to build activism bridges and inroads with the right. I've come to believe they realize the trans problem is far more sinister than anything gay people are
doing. They've definitely had my back and they've been using me to do as much damage as they can. You've no doubt seen that in the news. We shouldn't treat them like they're incapable
of change.
On the legal front, keep this under your hat please, but I'm going after the judge for judicial fitness, the VA for medical malpractice and Social Security too for the things we discussed if I can
get away with it.
If there's anything I can be of help with to you and your organization, please reach out. No one element of this is more valued than the other. We need everyone fighting on all fronts.
Thanks!
Jamie
On Wednesday, March 13, 2019, 7:35:30 PM EDT, Media Team <media@womensliberationfront.org> wrote:
Hi Jamie,
Again, apologies for the delay in responding. It's difficult for me to work on this issue during the work day.
As Brandon said, I am on the board of the Women's Liberation Front and was on the Heritage panel you referenced on the Laura Ingraham show.
Here's a little bit of background. I came to this issue from a radical feminist perspective - the view that in order to fight misogyny, we have to be able to name the category women as adult human females. I remain fiercely
committed to that cause. However, in the meantime, a few things happened. One is that someone very close to me (a woman) announced that she is trans. She came out as a lesbian many years ago, and about a year
ago, she announced in an email that she is trans. I tried to engage in conversation with her, but she knows my views on this topic, and pushed me away. A few months after that, I learned (on Facebook, of all places), that
she had gotten a double mastectomy. I was devastated. The other thing that happened is that when she announced that she is trans, I reached out to the Parents of ROGD Kids group. I am not a parent, but I felt like I
needed some support. When I reached out to the ROGD parents group, I got connected with a bunch of parents in my area whose kids are on this path. These parents break my heart every time I talk with them. They are
just trying to save their kids from this. My point is that I come at this from several angles: my primary lens is the radical feminist one, but the issue has become deeply personal to me as well.
So, the question then becomes, is there some way that we could work together to break through the media's silence on this issue? I just don't know. Are you familiar with the Gender Critical Action Center? I know the
organizers. They have been hammering away at the media.
My instinct is that it will be detransitioners, parents, and athletes who will break this open, not radical feminists, and I am okay with that.
I would love to hear your thoughts.

Kara
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:29 PM Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thank you so much for sharing that and please let them know that everything I do now is for all of them! I am their fearless ally in this fight.
In the meantime, this is from a friend:

“Fantastic! Tell him thank you from me and all the other moms with kids in therapy for anxiety and depression who live in fear for our kids bc of this. His voice is so important and a great comfort to us.”
“
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:14 PM Media Team <media@womensliberationfront.org> wrote:

Thank you Jamie, for everything. It’s hard for me to engage on email during the day because of my employment. I will be sure to respond more fully later.
I understand your issue with SS. I don’t know the answer but I will think more carefully about it. I know some First Amendment experts.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 9:55 AM Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Kara,
On the same token, I've been looking for some legal help over Social Security forcing me to identify my male sex as a gender since I've desisted. If you can point me anywhere on that It would be greatly appreciated. I'll
forward the documents.
Jamie

Hi Jamie,
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/13/2019 9:29:45 AM
To: "Media Team" <media@womensliberationfront.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Connecting Kara and Jamie
Thank you so much for sharing that and please let them know that everything I do now is for all of them! I am their fearless ally in this fight.
“Fantastic! Tell him thank you from me and all the other moms with kids in therapy for anxiety and depression who live in fear for our kids bc of this. His voice is so important and a great comfort to us.”
“

Thank you Jamie, for everything. It’s hard for me to engage on email during the day because of my employment. I will be sure to respond more fully later.
I understand your issue with SS. I don’t know the answer but I will think more carefully about it. I know some First Amendment experts.

Hi Kara,
Jamie

Hi Jamie,
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
From: Stratton, Grace (Wyden)
Sent: 10/11/2016 11:10:44 AM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Connecting with Senator Wyden's Office
How about Coffee Time? As for a date, next Wednesday October 19th is wide open for me in the late morning or early afternoon. Does that work for you? If not, I might need to push our meeting to post-
election. Thank you!
From: Jamie Shupe [mailto:jamie.shupe@yahoo.com]

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:50 PM
To: Stratton, Grace (Wyden) <Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov>
Subject: Re: Connecting with Senator Wyden's Office
Dear Grace:
I live in the NW section of Portland in the Alphabet District. Either Coffee Time on 21st near 19th or a Starbucks near there at the intersection of 21st and Lovejoy would be great options.
The Starbucks has a parking lot, but there's also ample parking in the neighborhood, although metered.
Please let me know if those options would work for you and what time and day that you would like to meet?
I have a personal website at non-binary dot org if you'd like to get more info about my story and my background.
Thanks!
Jamie
From: "Stratton, Grace (Wyden)" <Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov>

To: Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Hi Jamie,
I think in person is great. I can come meet you somewhere—I like to get out of the office for meetings when I can. Is there a coffee shop near you that you’d prefer?

Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 3:00 PM
To: Stratton, Grace (Wyden)
Hi Grace,
I'm open to either, phone or meeting in person. I think meeting in person is a great idea because you'll get a real world perspective on my challenges.
How would meeting in person work? Do I come to your office? Or will we be meeting somewhere else? I'm totally flexible.
My phone number is 503-964-4558.
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe

Subject: Connecting with Senator Wyden's Office
Good afternoon Jamie,
My name is Grace, Field Representative for Senator Wyden. I am based in Portland, and the Senator asked I follow up with you. We received your message, and I would very much like to
connect. Can we set up a time to talk next week? My schedule is a bit full these days, but possibly late Tuesday 10/11 or anytime Wednesday 10/12 would work for you? My contact
information is below as well. We can either meet in person or talk by phone, whichever is easiest for your schedule.
Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Field Representative
U.S. Senator Ron Wyden
911 NE 11th Ave Suite 630
Portland, OR 97232
Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov | (O) 503-326-7543 | (C) 503-729-7633
Sent: 10/11/2016 11:18:43 AM
Cc:
1:00 next Wednesday, Oct. 19th it is! My cell phone if anything comes up before then: 503-729-7633.
-Grace

Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:16 PM
Hi Grace,
October 19th is fine. Would 1 pm work for you? Or I can meet at whichever time works best for you?
Thanks!
Jamie

How about Coffee Time? As for a date, next Wednesday October 19th is wide open for me in the late morning or early afternoon. Does that work for you? If not, I might need to push our meeting to
post-election. Thank you!

Dear Grace:
Thanks!
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Hi Grace,
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe

Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Portland, OR 97232
Sent: 10/11/2016 11:38:43 AM
Cc:
Likewise! Have a good day!

-Grace

Confirmed.
I look forward to meeting you and discussing this.
Jamie

-Grace

Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie

Dear Grace:
Thanks!
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Hi Grace,
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe
Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Portland, OR 97232
Sent: 10/19/2016 10:06:51 AM
Cc:
Hi Jamie,
Yes, I will be there! Thank you! And I hope that all is well over there—just saw that there was that explosion just a few blocks away!
Hi Grace,
Checking in to confirm that we are still on for 1 pm. today at Coffee Time on 21st Street here in the NW?
Thanks!
Jamie


-Grace

Confirmed.
Jamie

-Grace

Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie

How about Coffee Time? As for a date, next Wednesday October 19th is wide open for me in the late morning or early afternoon. Does that work for you? If not, I might need to push our meeting to post-election. Thank
you!

Dear Grace:
I live in the NW section of Portland in the Alphabet District. Either Coffee Time on 21st near 19th or a Starbucks near there at the intersection of 21st and Lovejoy would be great options. The Starbucks has a
parking lot, but there's also ample parking in the neighborhood, although metered.
Thanks!
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Hi Grace,
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe

My name is Grace, Field Representative for Senator Wyden. I am based in Portland, and the Senator asked I follow up with you. We received your message, and I would very much like to connect. Can we set up
a time to talk next week? My schedule is a bit full these days, but possibly late Tuesday 10/11 or anytime Wednesday 10/12 would work for you? My contact information is below as well. We can either meet in
person or talk by phone, whichever is easiest for your schedule.
Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Portland, OR 97232
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 10/19/2016 11:09:31 AM
To: "Stratton, Grace (Wyden)" <Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov>
Cc:
Bcc:
H'mmm, that's why my windows shook earlier. I was praying it wasn't the start of our "big one."
See you then.

Hi Jamie,
Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie


-Grace

Confirmed.
Jamie

-Grace

Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie


Dear Grace:
Thanks!
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Hi Grace,
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe

Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Portland, OR 97232
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 10/19/2016 12:53:47 PM
To: "Stratton, Grace (Wyden)" <Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov>
Cc:
Bcc:
I'm here next to the front door, reddish Columbia dress, flowered scarf.
On Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 11:06 AM, Stratton, Grace (Wyden) <Grace_Stratton@wyden.senate.gov> wrote:
Hi Jamie,
Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie


-Grace

Confirmed.
Jamie

-Grace

Hi Grace,
Thanks!
Jamie

How about Coffee Time? As for a date, next Wednesday October 19th is wide open for me in the late morning or early afternoon. Does that work for you? If not, I might need to push our meeting to post-
election. Thank you!

Dear Grace:
I live in the NW section of Portland in the Alphabet District. Either Coffee Time on 21st near 19th or a Starbucks near there at the intersection of 21st and Lovejoy would be great options. The Starbucks
has a parking lot, but there's also ample parking in the neighborhood, although metered.
Thanks!
Jamie

Hi Jamie,

Hi Grace,
Thanks so much!
Jamie Shupe

My name is Grace, Field Representative for Senator Wyden. I am based in Portland, and the Senator asked I follow up with you. We received your message, and I would very much like to connect. Can we
set up a time to talk next week? My schedule is a bit full these days, but possibly late Tuesday 10/11 or anytime Wednesday 10/12 would work for you? My contact information is below as well. We can
either meet in person or talk by phone, whichever is easiest for your schedule.
Sincerely
-Grace
Grace Stratton
Portland, OR 97232
Sent: 8/30/2019 1:39:30 PM
To: "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Detransitioner Amici brief for SCOTUS
Will,
It aggravates me to no end that Wordpress deleted my Transgender Archive because I think it would have been helpful
for your project to be able to browse the details of the many suicides articles I had collected. What I came to see
was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for activism. A lot
of the kids committed suicide even if they were well supported and not bullied.
I managed to gather a few of the links to give you a window into this. I still have the XML file for the site that
could be uploaded into a new private Wordpress blog if necessary.
To start, you said: "In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated with
hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves."
Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally supported
because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want and what they think will help
them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
Sam Harel Price:
(Pretty unrealistic to make this huge kid think they're going to become a female)
https://villagegreennj.com/towns/suicide-popular-chs-grad-sam-price-sparks-transgender-youth-foundation/
Carl Worth:
"In the December 8 speech, Carl told classmates: 'Firstly, I'm dealing with depression. I want to be completely
honest here and say that is has led to self harm in the past and has escalated to suicidal thoughts and actions."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196578/Transgender-senior-18-kills-coming-out.html
Skylar Lee:
"In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home and
at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion over my identity only
escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian,
genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th grade, I discovered I was transgender."
http://ourlivesmadison.com/article/motivated-empowered/
Miriam Roe:
"Miriam was born female and began to identify as male in 11th grade in high school. At that time, they asked to be
called Eli and began the transition process to male. Eli was very supported in this by their family, friends, and at
the State College High School. This past fall, Miriam began to understand their gender identity as more gender fluid
than transgender and had recently begun asking people to call them Miriam again."
"Even as they suffered “bouts of crippling depression,” according to the obituary,"
https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/3/08/family-and-friends-mourn-penn-state-trans-woman-lost-suicide
Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze:
"Maisie Knowles, age 16, aka Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze, made the decision to give up the struggle of
living this life. We are deeply saddened that his struggle with mental illness got the better of him. Faced with
bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity and just being a teenager, Charles
had an incredibly difficult "hand to play."
https://obituaries.centralmaine.com/obituaries/mainetoday-centralmaine/obituary.aspx?n=maisie-knowles-
charlie&pid=182417101&fhid=11597
"It's the fourth such suicide in San Diego County since March."
https://web.archive.org/web/20151014211644/https://www.10news.com/news/family-mourns-transgender-teen-after-he-
takes-his-own-life-100615
Another thing possibly worth exploring is what I talked about in a follow-up piece with the Daily Signal.
"Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you
don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing that the transition
itself can make you suicidal."
"Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the
gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody that you’re the opposite sex?
My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
"I’ll give you an example. Once I diagnosed myself as being a female, and people affirmed me as a female, OK, so I’m
looking at myself and I’m going, “Oh my God, I’m in a male body.” And you set out on this crash course to turn
yourself into a female. And it’s impossible."
"In the military we call that setting yourself up for failure. Like I said, it’s literally impossible to change your
sex and you’ll die trying."
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/15/i-perfectly-understand-why-this-kills-people-former-transgender-jamie-shupe-
details-how-process-affected-him/
That's my thoughts for you for now, if I think of more stuff I'll forward the links.
Blessings,
James
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 01:35:05 PM EDT, William Malone wrote:
Dear James and Walt,
I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide
stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated
with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes
parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I would be most appreciative of any written
materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from
Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
Thanks both.
Regards,
Will
William J. Malone, MD
Endocrinologist
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 9:43 AM, VBroyles wrote:

>
>
Very proud of you Jamie — and Walt!
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
> On Aug 24, 2019, at 12:42 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
>
>
>
> All,
>
> With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit
an amicus.
>
> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18-
107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
>
> Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:02:55 PM EDT, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hola, Team SD.
>
> I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici
for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not that hard to
disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not
SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications involving this, as he is job hunting
right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not
appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the page count, citations run up through
page 18.
>
>
>
>
> Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post,
> https://cmda.org/reinforcing-childrens-sexual-identity-a-review-of-ellie-klipps-i-dont-have-to-choose/
>
> Andre
>
>
Sent: 8/30/2019 5:47:43 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
So another thing that points to the falsehood that they'll kill themselves without surgery is the historic long wait times in other countries.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11702389
Why isn't that happening?
My opinion is if they don't have severe mental illness that's co-morbid, the risk of suicide is negligible.
The late age that many get surgery supports that:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7159732/oldest-person-in-britain-to-have-reassignment-surgery-shares-her-joy-at-becoming-a-woman-aged-81-thanks-to-the-nhs/
Now let's visit some of Spack's history.
Hasn't Spack basically taught them that cutting on themselves proves their transgender status with statements like this?
"In some cases, 9- or 10-year-old kids have staged suicide attempts."
"Stopping puberty is, in itself, a diagnostic test. If a girl starts to experience breast budding and feels like cutting herself, then she's probably transgendered."
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/03/30/qa_with_norman_spack/?page=2
So stopping puberty is a diagnostic test? H'mm, where have I heard something similar before about hormones?
This is the quack I took online advice from:
"We can't do a genetic test, but we can administer cross-sex hormones and see if the individual responds positively or negatively to them. That procedure is routinely done after the
individual has had an extensive period of psychotherapy and is fully aware of the consequences. A negative reaction would result in extreme anxiety and discomfort. A positive reaction is
one where the individual reports a calming affect. Often described as a feeling of well-being."
http://www.avitale.com/FAQ.htm
Dr. Wong:
"Wong also had some startling advice for a parent seeking to get a child referred to his program. Although the questioner had not indicated any particular urgency,
Wong explained that parents should exaggerate the severity of their child’s condition to their local health offices."
"Wong said a suicide threat was an effective means of accomplishing this goal."
“So what you need is, you know what? Pull a stunt. Suicide, every time, [then] they will give you what you need,” Wong said, adding that gender-dysphoric kids “learn
that. They learn it very fast.”
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 08:13:12 PM EDT, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
James, this is much appreciated, and already helpful. I’ve been trying to determine how to approach the whole topic, and I think you’ve honed right onto it: the dysphoria and suicidality are symptoms of an underlying issue.
The underlying issue needs to be treated. As I work through your references I’ll likely reach out again. My regards, Will
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 2:39 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Will,
>
> It aggravates me to no end that Wordpress deleted my Transgender Archive because I think it would have been helpful for your project to be able to browse the details of the many suicides articles I had collected. What I
came to see was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for activism. A lot of the kids committed suicide even if they were well supported and not bullied.
>
> I managed to gather a few of the links to give you a window into this. I still have the XML file for the site that could be uploaded into a new private Wordpress blog if necessary.
>
> To start, you said: "In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves."
>
> Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally supported because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want and what they
think will help them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
>
> Sam Harel Price:
>
> (Pretty unrealistic to make this huge kid think they're going to become a female)
>
> https://villagegreennj.com/towns/suicide-popular-chs-grad-sam-price-sparks-transgender-youth-foundation/
>
> Carl Worth:
>
> "In the December 8 speech, Carl told classmates: 'Firstly, I'm dealing with depression. I want to be completely honest here and say that is has led to self harm in the past and has escalated to suicidal thoughts and
actions."
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196578/Transgender-senior-18-kills-coming-out.html
>
> Skylar Lee:
>
> "In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home and at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion over my identity
only escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian, genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th grade, I discovered I was
transgender."
>
> http://ourlivesmadison.com/article/motivated-empowered/
>
> Miriam Roe:
>
> "Miriam was born female and began to identify as male in 11th grade in high school. At that time, they asked to be called Eli and began the transition process to male. Eli was very supported in this by their family, friends,
and at the State College High School. This past fall, Miriam began to understand their gender identity as more gender fluid than transgender and had recently begun asking people to call them Miriam again."
>
> "Even as they suffered “bouts of crippling depression,” according to the obituary,"
>
> https://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/3/08/family-and-friends-mourn-penn-state-trans-woman-lost-suicide
>
> Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze:
>
> "Maisie Knowles, age 16, aka Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze, made the decision to give up the struggle of living this life. We are deeply saddened that his struggle with mental illness got the better of him.
Faced with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity and just being a teenager, Charles had an incredibly difficult "hand to play."
>
> https://obituaries.centralmaine.com/obituaries/mainetoday-centralmaine/obituary.aspx?n=maisie-knowles-charlie&pid=182417101&fhid=11597
>
> "It's the fourth such suicide in San Diego County since March."
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20151014211644/https://www.10news.com/news/family-mourns-transgender-teen-after-he-takes-his-own-life-100615
>
> Another thing possibly worth exploring is what I talked about in a follow-up piece with the Daily Signal.
>
> "Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing that the transition
>
> "Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody that you’re the
opposite sex? My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
>
> "I’ll give you an example. Once I diagnosed myself as being a female, and people affirmed me as a female, OK, so I’m looking at myself and I’m going, “Oh my God, I’m in a male body.” And you set out on this crash
course to turn yourself into a female. And it’s impossible."
>
> "In the military we call that setting yourself up for failure. Like I said, it’s literally impossible to change your sex and you’ll die trying."
>
> https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/15/i-perfectly-understand-why-this-kills-people-former-transgender-jamie-shupe-details-how-process-affected-him/
>
> That's my thoughts for you for now, if I think of more stuff I'll forward the links.
>
> Blessings,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 30, 2019, 01:35:05 PM EDT, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear James and Walt,
>
> I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated
with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I would be most appreciative of any
written materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
>
> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
>
>
>
> William J. Malone, MD
> Endocrinologist
>
>
>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 9:43 AM, VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
>>
>>
> Very proud of you Jamie — and Walt!
>
>
> Vernadette
>
> Vernadette Broyles, Esq.
> President and General Counsel
> Child & Parental Rights Campaign, Inc.
> 5805 State Bridge Rd, Suite G310
> Johns Creek GA 30097
> Phone: 770-448-4525
> vbroyles@childparentrights.org
>
> <PastedGraphic-5.png>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 12:42 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit an amicus.
>>
>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18-107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
>>
>> Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 23, 2019, 01:02:55 PM EDT, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hola, Team SD.
>>
>> I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was
not that hard to disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications
involving this, as he is job hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Don’t
fear the page count, citations run up through page 18.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post, several bloggers already posted, other cool stuff, etc.
>> https://cmda.org/reinforcing-childrens-sexual-identity-a-review-of-ellie-klipps-i-dont-have-to-choose/
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>
>
Sent: 8/31/2019 4:58:19 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Sorry, I forgot the Federalist link to Wong.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/01/doctor-advises-threatening-suicide-get-transgender-treatments-kids/
On Saturday, August 31, 2019, 12:17:48 AM EDT, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks James, this makes a ton of sense. This narrative explains all the pieces of the puzzle.
On Aug 30, 2019, at 6:47 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
"We can't do a genetic test, but we can administer cross-sex hormones and see if the individual responds positively or negatively to them. That procedure is routinely done after
the individual has had an extensive period of psychotherapy and is fully aware of the consequences. A negative reaction would result in extreme anxiety and discomfort. A
positive reaction is one where the individual reports a calming affect. Often described as a feeling of well-being."
Dr. Wong:
"Wong also had some startling advice for a parent seeking to get a child referred to his program. Although the questioner had not indicated any particular
urgency, Wong explained that parents should exaggerate the severity of their child’s condition to their local health offices."
“So what you need is, you know what? Pull a stunt. Suicide, every time, [then] they will give you what you need,” Wong said, adding that gender-dysphoric
kids “learn that. They learn it very fast.”
James, this is much appreciated, and already helpful. I’ve been trying to determine how to approach the whole topic, and I think you’ve honed right onto it: the dysphoria and suicidality are symptoms of an
underlying issue. The underlying issue needs to be treated. As I work through your references I’ll likely reach out again. My regards, Will
>
> Will,
>
> It aggravates me to no end that Wordpress deleted my Transgender Archive because I think it would have been helpful for your project to be able to browse the details of the many suicides articles I had
collected. What I came to see was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for activism. A lot of the kids committed suicide even if they were well supported
and not bullied.
>
>
>
> Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally supported because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want and
what they think will help them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
>
> Sam Harel Price:
>
>
>
> Carl Worth:
>
> "In the December 8 speech, Carl told classmates: 'Firstly, I'm dealing with depression. I want to be completely honest here and say that is has led to self harm in the past and has escalated to suicidal
thoughts and actions."
>
>
> Skylar Lee:
>
> "In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home and at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion
over my identity only escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian, genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th
grade, I discovered I was transgender."
>
>
> Miriam Roe:
>
> "Miriam was born female and began to identify as male in 11th grade in high school. At that time, they asked to be called Eli and began the transition process to male. Eli was very supported in this by their
family, friends, and at the State College High School. This past fall, Miriam began to understand their gender identity as more gender fluid than transgender and had recently begun asking people to call them
Miriam again."
>
>
>
>
> "Maisie Knowles, age 16, aka Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze, made the decision to give up the struggle of living this life. We are deeply saddened that his struggle with mental illness got the
better of him. Faced with bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity and just being a teenager, Charles had an incredibly difficult "hand to play."
>
>
>
>
>
> "Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing that
the transition itself can make you suicidal."
>
> "Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody that
you’re the opposite sex? My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
>
> "I’ll give you an example. Once I diagnosed myself as being a female, and people affirmed me as a female, OK, so I’m looking at myself and I’m going, “Oh my God, I’m in a male body.” And you set out on
this crash course to turn yourself into a female. And it’s impossible."
>
>
>
>
> Blessings,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child
isn’t treated with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I would
be most appreciative of any written materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
>
> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
>
>
>
> Endocrinologist
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
> Vernadette
>
> Phone: 770-448-4525
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hola, Team SD.
>>
>> I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends
amici, which was not that hard to disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be
group projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the page count, citations run up through page 18.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>
>
Sent: 8/31/2019 7:05:15 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
I'll share some more thoughts from this morning, but I'm going to preface them with I don't agree with everything Blanchard and Bailey have to say because while they are certainly smart on
these issues, they're also pro-transition, meaning they're still not only still willing to go along with the medical madness but also feed the delusion of being born in the wrong body.
Blanchard recommends age 21 for surgery.
That said, have you read the 4thwave piece by those two about the different types of gender dysphoria/transsexuals?
https://4thwavenow.com/2017/12/07/gender-dysphoria-is-not-one-thing/
While the narrative is that sexual orientation and gender identity are two totally separate things, they're not easily untangled for a lot of folks. Even for the adult AGPs.
"Many heterosexual transsexuals hope that, after reassignment surgery, they will find themselves attracted to men and settle down with a male partner. Surgical sex reassignment has little
impact on their sexual preference for women, however, and postoperative patients are equally or even more likely to become involved in "lesbian'.' relationships with biological females."
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/GID_Men.pdf
So a lot of these kids can't unlink so-called gender identity and sexual orientation, supposedly two separate things. I still struggle with it too. But most importantly where I'm going with this is
just being gay alone already brings a high suicide risk to the table, plenty of studies show that. Lesbian girls have the parental and societal backlash, the feminine gay boys have family
societal and also rejection from the gay male community that shuns all things feminine. The gay boys Blanchard calls the homosexual transsexuals are literally channeled into sex changes.
So these things have to be figured into the trans suicide conversation, especially for young females. That might be a discussion for you pick Blanchard's brain about. I don't recommend the
4thwave folks because they get really testy about questioning anything gay-related, but I think you'd be remiss to not explore this link in such a paper.
Another area is the suicide risk merely because of being involved in an "alternate subculture." I'll show you this link and you can find lots more data about it in Google.
I'll close this one by admitting that suicide is a weapon. I say that not only because of my extensive reading on trans issues but firsthand experience as well. I've gotten to see it through two
channels, the mental health side, and the trans side. Even though those two are esssentially related, they're still somewhat different.
Case in point, when the VA involuntarily committed me to the psych ward back in April because they thought I was extremely unwell during an appointment, they shipped me off to a civilian
facility. One of the ladies I met there confessed what I'd already seen plenty of times before during my two previous stays at the VA psych ward in DC when I was all messed up coming off
estrogen injections. Even though she wasn't suicidal, she told the admitting folks she was because she thought she'd be better off getting mental health treatment in there, she told me this
over breakfast one morning. Likewise, I've witnessed homeless vets in DC showing up at the VA hospital and magic words are "I'm suicidal" and in the door and off the streets they go.
They then get shipped off to a 52-day rehab program and possibly housing afterward. It similarly plays out in the disability ratings game for VA and Social Security with mental illnesses
such as PTSD and Bipolar Disorder. Vets were walking around in the DC psych ward saying "gotta be here 21 days to qualify for my PTSD rating."
There's so much information online nowadays even a 10-year old can figure out how to work these systems, and that's part of the problem too.
Hopefully, these thoughts are helpful and I'm not driving you nuts with these emails.
Dr. Wong:
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> Will,
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> Sam Harel Price:
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Miriam again."
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> James
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> Regards,
> Will
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Another one and this is probably about it. Back to Spack. You may have seen me post this before in my feed about how Spack pitched blockers as a miracle cure for all sorts of mental
health issues?
You have to use the archive link because the original has since been removed, and I often have to access the archive site with Firefox or IE, Chrome can have issues:
"He has seen this over and over again in patients like Kyle: once they are able to live comfortably in their affirmed gender, their anxiety and depression — even bipolar disorder
— disappear. Spack says that even mild autism in trans kids (studies show that 10 times as many gender-variant kids than kids in the general population have autism-
spectrum disorders) may be alleviated with treatment for gender dysphoria: "Perhaps the social awkwardness and lack of peer relationships common among GID-Asperger's
patients is a result of a lifetime of feeling isolated and rejected," he wrote in a recent article in the Journal of Homosexuality; "and maybe the unusual behavior patterns are simply a coping
method for dealing with the anxiety and depression created from living in an 'alien body,' as one patient described it."
https://web.archive.org/web/20130324102716/http://thephoenix.com/Boston/life/142583-how-norman-spack-transformed-the-way-we-treat-tran/?page=8#TOPCONTENT
This is relevant to the suicide conversation, and this also played a big part in my gender transition to female. I bought into the whole "I was born in the wrong body thing," resistance was
futile, and that transition would cure me.
So that leads to the big question: what happens after you've done the transition hormonally, and most especially surgically, and like everyone else you find out that you still have all the same
mental health issues? As someone who wrestles with severe mental health problems daily, my opinion is you'd be even more likely to kill yourself. It's putting you at the end of your rope,
nothing left to try, just suffering ahead, and now your body is all messed up too.
The other piece of this is putting someone already suffering from major mental health issues, which zaps not only your physical but mental health strength in collision with at minimum
societal norms and their family too if there isn't acceptance. So you're already severely weakened and now you're out fighting every day to force people to play make-believe with gender
and pronouns. It doesn't get any worse than that.
Back to my experience with the mental health side of the house. For two years, every Tuesday night I went to a PTSD/Bipolar/mood disorder group in Portland. It seemed like each week
some group member was showing up with some new miracle cure, whether it was vitamins, diet, new music, or a new fitness program. Mentally ill people are doing the same thing with
gender transitions. But gender transitions are strung out over time and it takes much longer to realize the hoax.
"Carey said she met people who appeared to be grappling with severe trauma and mental illness, but were fixated on their next transition milestone, convinced
that was the moment when they would get better. “I knew a lot of people committed to that narrative who didn’t seem to be doing well,” she recalled."
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/when-a-child-says-shes-trans/561749/
I saw the same thing Carey did in two places, both mental health and transgender support groups.
On Saturday, August 31, 2019, 09:42:35 PM EDT, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
James, this all makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve thought before that perhaps the 30%suicidality figure amongst trans IDing was a reflection of suicidality associated with LGB. Weaponizing definitely another issue. I
appreciate all you’re sending me. If anything else comes to mind please don’t hesitate to send it along.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:05 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'll share some more thoughts from this morning, but I'm going to preface them with I don't agree with everything Blanchard and Bailey have to say because while they are certainly smart on
these issues, they're also pro-transition, meaning they're still not only still willing to go along with the medical madness but also feed the delusion of being born in the wrong body.
So a lot of these kids can't unlink so-called gender identity and sexual orientation, supposedly two separate things. I still struggle with it too. But most importantly where I'm going with this is
just being gay alone already brings a high suicide risk to the table, plenty of studies show that. Lesbian girls have the parental and societal backlash, the feminine gay boys have family
So these things have to be figured into the trans suicide conversation, especially for young females. That might be a discussion for you pick Blanchard's brain about. I don't recommend
the 4thwave folks because they get really testy about questioning anything gay-related, but I think you'd be remiss to not explore this link in such a paper.
"We can't do a genetic test, but we can administer cross-sex hormones and see if the individual responds positively or negatively to them. That procedure is routinely done
after the individual has had an extensive period of psychotherapy and is fully aware of the consequences. A negative reaction would result in extreme anxiety and discomfort. A
Dr. Wong:
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> Will,
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and not bullied.
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> Sam Harel Price:
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> Carl Worth:
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> Skylar Lee:
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> Miriam Roe:
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Miriam again."
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> "Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody
that you’re the opposite sex? My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
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> Blessings,
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> James
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> I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a
child isn’t treated with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I
would be most appreciative of any written materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
>
> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
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To: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
James, this is much appreciated, and already helpful. I’ve been trying to determine how to approach the whole topic,
and I think you’ve honed right onto it: the dysphoria and suicidality are symptoms of an underlying issue. The
underlying issue needs to be treated. As I work through your references I’ll likely reach out again. My regards,
Will
> On Aug 30, 2019, at 2:39 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
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> Will,
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> It aggravates me to no end that Wordpress deleted my Transgender Archive because I think it would have been
helpful for your project to be able to browse the details of the many suicides articles I had collected. What I came
to see was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for
activism. A lot of the kids committed suicide even if they were well supported and not bullied.
>
> I managed to gather a few of the links to give you a window into this. I still have the XML file for the site that
could be uploaded into a new private Wordpress blog if necessary.
>
> To start, you said: "In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated with
hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves."
>
> Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally
supported because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want and what they think
will help them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
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> Sam Harel Price:
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> Carl Worth:
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> "In the December 8 speech, Carl told classmates: 'Firstly, I'm dealing with depression. I want to be completely
honest here and say that is has led to self harm in the past and has escalated to suicidal thoughts and actions."
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> Skylar Lee:
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> "In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home
and at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion over my identity only
escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian,
genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th grade, I discovered I was transgender."
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> Miriam Roe:
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> "Miriam was born female and began to identify as male in 11th grade in high school. At that time, they asked to be
called Eli and began the transition process to male. Eli was very supported in this by their family, friends, and at
the State College High School. This past fall, Miriam began to understand their gender identity as more gender fluid
than transgender and had recently begun asking people to call them Miriam again."
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> "Maisie Knowles, age 16, aka Charlie, Charles Knowles and Charlie Maze, made the decision to give up the struggle
of living this life. We are deeply saddened that his struggle with mental illness got the better of him. Faced with
bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder, gender identity and just being a teenager, Charles
had an incredibly difficult "hand to play."
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> https://obituaries.centralmaine.com/obituaries/mainetoday-centralmaine/obituary.aspx?n=maisie-knowles-
charlie&pid=182417101&fhid=11597
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> https://web.archive.org/web/20151014211644/https://www.10news.com/news/family-mourns-transgender-teen-after-he-
takes-his-own-life-100615
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> "Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you
don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing that the transition
>
> "Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the
gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody that you’re the opposite sex?
My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
>
> "I’ll give you an example. Once I diagnosed myself as being a female, and people affirmed me as a female, OK, so
I’m looking at myself and I’m going, “Oh my God, I’m in a male body.” And you set out on this crash course to turn
yourself into a female. And it’s impossible."
>
> "In the military we call that setting yourself up for failure. Like I said, it’s literally impossible to change
your sex and you’ll die trying."
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> https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/15/i-perfectly-understand-why-this-kills-people-former-transgender-jamie-
shupe-details-how-process-affected-him/
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> Blessings,
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> James
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> On Friday, August 30, 2019, 01:35:05 PM EDT, William Malone wrote:
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> I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide
stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a child isn’t treated with
hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes
parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I would be most appreciative of any written
materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from
Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
>
> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
>
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> Endocrinologist
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>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 9:43 AM, VBroyles wrote:
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>> All,
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>> With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit
an amicus.
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>> https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18-
107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
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>> Hola, Team SD.
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>> I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this
amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici, which was not that
hard to disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases
and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out of communications involving this, as he is job
hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our
names do not appear on it (such is how group projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the page count, citations
run up through page 18.
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>> Also, my CMDA blog from yesterday seems to be on fire already, reprint approval requested by Christian Post,
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>> Andre
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Sent: 8/30/2019 8:17:45 PM
Cc:
Dr. Wong:
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> Will,
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and not bullied.
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> Sam Harel Price:
>
>
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> Carl Worth:
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> Skylar Lee:
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> Miriam Roe:
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Miriam again."
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> Blessings,
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> James
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> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
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> Vernadette
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> Phone: 770-448-4525
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Sent: 8/31/2019 5:42:18 PM
Cc:
James, this all makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve thought before that perhaps the 30%suicidality figure amongst trans
IDing was a reflection of suicidality associated with LGB. Weaponizing definitely another issue. I appreciate all
you’re sending me. If anything else comes to mind please don’t hesitate to send it along.
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:05 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'll share some more thoughts from this morning, but I'm going to preface them with I don't agree with everything Blanchard and Bailey have to say because while they are certainly smart
on these issues, they're also pro-transition, meaning they're still not only still willing to go along with the medical madness but also feed the delusion of being born in the wrong body.
So a lot of these kids can't unlink so-called gender identity and sexual orientation, supposedly two separate things. I still struggle with it too. But most importantly where I'm going with this
is just being gay alone already brings a high suicide risk to the table, plenty of studies show that. Lesbian girls have the parental and societal backlash, the feminine gay boys have family
So these things have to be figured into the trans suicide conversation, especially for young females. That might be a discussion for you pick Blanchard's brain about. I don't recommend
the 4thwave folks because they get really testy about questioning anything gay-related, but I think you'd be remiss to not explore this link in such a paper.
"We can't do a genetic test, but we can administer cross-sex hormones and see if the individual responds positively or negatively to them. That procedure is routinely done
after the individual has had an extensive period of psychotherapy and is fully aware of the consequences. A negative reaction would result in extreme anxiety and discomfort. A
Dr. Wong:
>
> Will,
>
collected. What I came to see was a pattern of these kids being plagued by severe mental illness but yet their deaths get used for activism. A lot of the kids committed suicide even if they were well
supported and not bullied.
>
>
>
> Something that has to be addressed is they commit suicide even if they get the treatments and were totally supported because they're typically severely mentally ill. So giving these kids what they want
and what they think will help them doesn't mean they still won't kill themselves after they find out it didn't help them anyway.
>
> Sam Harel Price:
>
>
>
> Carl Worth:
>
>
>
> Skylar Lee:
>
>
>
> Miriam Roe:
>
Miriam again."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Trinko: Yeah. Could you actually expand on that a little bit? Because often the thing that we hear is that if you don’t allow people to transition, they will commit suicide. But it sounds like you’re arguing
that the transition itself can make you suicidal."
>
> "Shupe: Yes, it does. Because that’s an interesting question. Let’s do the chicken and the egg thing. Does the gender dysphoria really come before? Or does it come [when] you’ve convinced somebody
that you’re the opposite sex? My argument is that it comes afterward. That’s exactly what happened in my case."
>
>
>
>
>
> Blessings,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I am beginning to put together a document summarizing the literature regarding the psychological outcomes/ suicide stats after transition. In particular, I want to fight back against the falsehood that it a
child isn’t treated with hormones and surgery, they’ll kill themselves. This argument overwhelms everything else, and I believe causes parents to agree to treatments that they otherwise would not agree to. I
would be most appreciative of any written materials you have on this topic. I’ve got the major long term studies showing no benefits, and stuff from Transgender trend and 4th wave now.
>
> Thanks both.
> Regards,
> Will
>
>
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To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc:
Bcc:
Thanks, Vernadette!
We're getting some traction too.
So far The Washington Examiner and The Federalist have reported on our brief.
God bless,
James
On Friday, August 30, 2019, 11:43:44 AM EDT, VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Very proud of you Jamie — and Walt!

Vernadette
Phone: 770-448-4525
All,
With some gracious assistance, Walt Heyer, myself and some of the other detransitioners were also able to submit an amicus.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/113528/20190824011904782_18-107%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Walt%20Heyer%20et%20al..pdf
Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.
James
Hola, Team SD.

I worked with Michelle Cretella and a law professor at request of Alliance Defending Freedom to get out this amici for the SCOTUS Harris Funeral Home case. We directly took on the AMA and friends amici,
which was not that hard to disprove, IMHO. It’s the best I think we’ve ever done, though admittedly the others were Circuit Court cases and not SCOTUS. The law professor requests that his name be kept out
of communications involving this, as he is job hunting right now. I and Michelle are the primary researchers and therefor authors anyway, and conveniently our names do not appear on it (such is how group
projects often go and so be it). Don’t fear the page count, citations run up through page 18.
Andre
Sent: 1/18/2020 3:36:20 PM
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder"
Subject: Re: Dr. Cantor AAP Fact Check Document
TY, Andre!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 18, 2020, at 6:34 PM, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
ï»¿Yes, We have been using this Cantor piece since he published it. There is now, however, a peer-reviewed
version of it.
<Transgender and Gender Diverse Children and Adolescents Fact Checking of AAP Policy.pdf>
As I am actually right now skimming it to compare it to the 2018 version, I see just enough examples of very
slight phrasing changes and dropped phrases, that we need to not simply switch citations, but be sure we are
directly citing from this new version, The changes are few and slight and do not change meaning, but for
legal stuff, we need precision and accuracy lest the opponent latch on to gnats and pretend they are camels.
Andre
This document might be worthwhile in the debate.
American Academy of Pediatrics and trans- kids: Fact-checking Rafferty (2018)
http://www.jamescantor.org/uploads/6/2/9/3/62939641/cantor_fact-check_of_aap.pdf
Attachment:
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/18/2020 3:33:49 PM
Cc: "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
Subject: Re: Dr. Cantor AAP Fact Check Document
Attachments: Transgender and Gender Diverse Children and Adolescents Fact Checking of AAP Policy.pdf
Yes, We have been using this Cantor piece since he published it. There is now, however, a peer-reviewed version of
it.
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Sent: 8/26/2019 2:26:05 PM
Cc: "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Pamosa27"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Subject: Re: Draft revision received today
Thanks Fred. Based on your last email, it will be even more powerful when it reads:
â€œ . . . a mental healthcare professional or medical professional who engages in any of the following practices
upon a minor child . . "
Regarding Section 3, Iâ€™m wondering if the other side would attempt to try to twist Par. 2 into a useful loophole
â€” and if we can further deny them that by adding greater specificity to the last part as follows:
â€œdoes not have the normal complement of sex chromosomes of XY chromosomes for a male and XX chromosomes for a
female."
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
<Vulnerable youth protection act- August 23.pdf>
Attachment:
From: Scott Newgent
Sent: 1/16/2020 3:50:51 PM
To: "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
Subject: Re: Endo Society weighs in
Attachments: 20200116_184614.jpg
I had this designed for twitter profiles, I sent the tweet out this morning and people are changing profile pictures
like crazy. Another way to get media on our side, if y'all want to join.
This image represents ALL communities, gay, straight, trans, Reb, Dem, all relig "STANDING TOGETHER circling our
children, screaming, "ON THIS WE STAND TOGETHER, NO MEDICAL TRANSITIONING CHILDREN." During the length of the State
House bills, change your profile image if u agree. https://t.co/T86fqhDlki
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 5:39 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

Well Fred,
Mike
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/16/2020 6:24:27 PM
To: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent"
<scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
Superbly well done, Michael! And taking on your own professional society front and center. Yay, team!
Andre
On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Well Fred,
Mike
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Sent: 1/17/2020 5:27:46 AM
To: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent"
<scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
I emailed each member of the steering committee of the ENDO 2020 meeting (the Endocrine Society's annual CME event) to suggest that they consider a broad, balanced presentation
forum so that all opinions about transgender care could be presented and debated. I was answered in an email from the steering committee chairman that I should provide input to them
sometime in April in planning for ENDO 2021 since they had already set this year's agenda. She listed the three talks planned- all by trans affirmation folks- and told me to look for the
announcement requesting suggestions for ENDO 2021. I asked her to be sure to send me the notice personally since I had never received such a notice in May of 2019 asking for input
about topics for ENDO 2020. Mike- we need to be sure we both get in their face for next year's meeting and not let down.
Quentin
Andre
On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Well Fred,
Mike
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Sent: 1/17/2020 7:28:59 AM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
Great idea!
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Quentin
Andre
Well Fred,
Mike
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Sent: 1/17/2020 8:58:37 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
<fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>,
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
This is about the AACE, not the Endo Society. I was supposed to speak at that conference in 2016, but they somehow
left me out of the program and didn't tell me until I saw the published schedule.
Quentin
> On January 17, 2020 at 10:49 AM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" wrote:
>
>
> Child prostitution (Jazz Jennings) is illegal, unless it's the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists’
25th Annual Scientific & Clinical Congress engaging in it:
>
> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160523005258/en/Crucial-Role-Hormone-Therapy-Treating-Transgender-
Adolescents
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 17, 2020, 10:29:09 AM EST, Michelle Cretella wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Great idea!
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM QUENTIN VAN METER wrote:
> >
> >
> > I emailed each member of the steering committee of the ENDO 2020 meeting (the Endocrine Society's annual CME
event) to suggest that they consider a broad, balanced presentation forum so that all opinions about transgender
care could be presented and debated. I was answered in an email from the steering committee chairman that I should
provide input to them sometime in April in planning for ENDO 2021 since they had already set this year's agenda.
She listed the three talks planned- all by trans affirmation folks- and told me to look for the announcement
requesting suggestions for ENDO 2021. I asked her to be sure to send me the notice personally since I had never
received such a notice in May of 2019 asking for input about topics for ENDO 2020. Mike- we need to be sure we both
get in their face for next year's meeting and not let down.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quentin
> >
> >> On January 16, 2020 at 9:24 PM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Superbly well done, Michael! And taking on your own professional society front and center. Yay, team!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andre
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Well Fred,
> >>>
> >>> The Endocrine Society has jumped into the mix. I attached a screen shot.
> >>>
> >>> Here is a link to my quick response.
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD/status/1217934249845637120
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
From: Bernard Hudson
Sent: 1/17/2020 11:39:12 AM
Cc:
Well, NYC CPS investigated a bizarre claim and did not find a problem: Desmond is Amazing.
Dancing in front of drinking men, changing costumes, having cash placed in your panties, wearing make-up and a wig,
in a smoke filled room is NOT a problem in NYC!
Age? 10.
BH
On Jan 17, 2020, at 9:49 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Child prostitution (Jazz Jennings) is illegal, unless it's the American Association of Clinical
Endocrinologists’ 25th Annual Scientific & Clinical Congress engaging in it:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160523005258/en/Crucial-Role-Hormone-Therapy-Treating-Transgender-
Adolescents
On Friday, January 17, 2020, 10:29:09 AM EST, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Great idea!
I emailed each member of the steering committee of the ENDO 2020 meeting (the Endocrine Society's
annual CME event) to suggest that they consider a broad, balanced presentation forum so that all
opinions about transgender care could be presented and debated. I was answered in an email from the
steering committee chairman that I should provide input to them sometime in April in planning for ENDO
2021 since they had already set this year's agenda. She listed the three talks planned- all by trans
affirmation folks- and told me to look for the announcement requesting suggestions for ENDO 2021. I
asked her to be sure to send me the notice personally since I had never received such a notice in May
of 2019 asking for input about topics for ENDO 2020. Mike- we need to be sure we both get in their
face for next year's meeting and not let down.
Quentin
Superbly well done, Michael! And taking on your own professional society front and center.
Yay, team!
Andre
Well Fred,
Mike
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Attachment:
From: Scott Newgent
Sent: 1/17/2020 1:16:09 PM
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD"
Attachments: Capture.JPG
My website www.transsexualglobalalliance.org has been taken down, tell me again someone or some company is not behind medically transitioning children. This needs to be in the news.

"Behind every great man is a woman rolling her eyes." - Jim Carrey.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 10:29 AM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Great idea!
Quentin
Andre
Well Fred,
Mike
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Sent: 1/17/2020 3:04:36 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>,
"William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Great idea Quentin! I'm adding Will Malone in the email. He's planning to go to the meeting for 2020 in San Fran.
I'm going to try to be there. At the least this year, we can invade the Q&A and demand answers. Not that I'm
expecting much. But would be good to have them hear some questioning physicians at least.
Just noticed that Rosenthal of UCSF is on the board of directors for Endo Soc. Figures
https://www.endocrine.org/about-us/board-of-directors
-Mike
On 2020-01-17 05:27, QUENTIN VAN METER wrote:
Quentin
Andre
Well Fred,
Mike
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Sent: 1/17/2020 7:49:17 AM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
<fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott Newgent" <scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>,
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
Bcc:
Child prostitution (Jazz Jennings) is illegal, unless it's the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists’
25th Annual Scientific & Clinical Congress engaging in it:
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160523005258/en/Crucial-Role-Hormone-Therapy-Treating-Transgender-
Adolescents
On Friday, January 17, 2020, 10:29:09 AM EST, Michelle Cretella wrote:
Great idea!
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:27 AM QUENTIN VAN METER wrote:

>
>
> I emailed each member of the steering committee of the ENDO 2020 meeting (the Endocrine Society's annual CME
event) to suggest that they consider a broad, balanced presentation forum so that all opinions about transgender
care could be presented and debated. I was answered in an email from the steering committee chairman that I should
provide input to them sometime in April in planning for ENDO 2021 since they had already set this year's agenda.
She listed the three talks planned- all by trans affirmation folks- and told me to look for the announcement
requesting suggestions for ENDO 2021. I asked her to be sure to send me the notice personally since I had never
received such a notice in May of 2019 asking for input about topics for ENDO 2020. Mike- we need to be sure we both
get in their face for next year's meeting and not let down.
>
>
>
>
> Quentin
>
>> On January 16, 2020 at 9:24 PM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Superbly well done, Michael! And taking on your own professional society front and center. Yay, team!
>>
>>
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well Fred,
>>>
>>> The Endocrine Society has jumped into the mix. I attached a screen shot.
>>>
>>> Here is a link to my quick response.
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD/status/1217934249845637120
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
Sent: 10/28/2019 3:11:39 PM
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Endocrine Society's Latest Slime
James, what Mike said. It might take years, but we’re going to get them.
> On Oct 28, 2019, at 4:48 PM, Michael Laidlaw wrote:

>
> Thanks Jamie. It is an ultimate, long term goal of mine to make sure that the Endocrine Society is embarrassed,
publicly humiliated, and sued mercilessly by the many detransitioners and particularly those harmed as children and
adolescents by their low to no quality evidence guidelines.
>
>
> The Endocrine Society wrote a letter of support for Joahanna Olson-Kennedy's child transing experiments, which I
have been unable to obtain even by FOIA.
> But eventually, I hope to use that as part of the evidence.
> And hopefully, Safer will get what's coming to him as well for pushing off label drug use.
>
>
> Thanks Jamie for all that you are doing.
>
> -Mike
>
> On 2019-10-28 15:31, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
>> Have you guys seen this garbage that just got released?
>> "Endocrine Society urges policymakers to follow science on transgender health"
>> "Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable
>> biological element underlying gender identity. There do not seem to be
>> external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender
>> identity. The Endocrine Society called for policies to reflect this
>> reality in our position statement on transgender health."
>> So what exactly is the science?
>> Following the trail leads to their position statement:
>> https://www.endocrine.org/advocacy/priorities-and-positions/transgender-health
>> Saraswat A, et al. Evidence Supporting the Biologic Nature of Gender
>> Identity. Endocr Pract. 2015 Feb;21(2): 199-204.
>> So who authored the study?
>> No surprises to find Joshua Safer but who's this Jamie Weinand guy?
>> https://journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP14351.RA
>> A transgender man...
>> "Jamie Weinand is a fourth-year med student and a trans man."
>> https://tgforum.com/the-week-in-trans-32717/
>> Seem Kristina Olson can't find the evidence:
>> "Thus, whereas the topic is an active line of work in many research
>> laboratories around the world, definitive conclusions about genetic
>> and neural correlates of gender identity remain elusive."
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-sex-and-gender-collide/
Sent: 10/28/2019 2:48:47 PM
Cc: "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Endocrine Society's Latest Slime
Thanks Jamie. It is an ultimate, long term goal of mine to make sure

that the Endocrine Society is embarrassed, publicly humiliated, and sued
mercilessly by the many detransitioners and particularly those harmed as
children and adolescents by their low to no quality evidence guidelines.
The Endocrine Society wrote a letter of support for Joahanna

Olson-Kennedy's child transing experiments, which I have been unable to
obtain even by FOIA.
But eventually, I hope to use that as part of the evidence.
And hopefully, Safer will get what's coming to him as well for pushing
off label drug use.
Thanks Jamie for all that you are doing.
-Mike
On 2019-10-28 15:31, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:

> Have you guys seen this garbage that just got released?
>
> "Endocrine Society urges policymakers to follow science on transgender
> health"
>
> "Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable
> biological element underlying gender identity. There do not seem to be
> external forces that genuinely cause individuals to change gender
> identity. The Endocrine Society called for policies to reflect this
> reality in our position statement on transgender health."
>
> So what exactly is the science?
>
> Following the trail leads to their position statement:
>
> https://www.endocrine.org/advocacy/priorities-and-positions/transgender-health
>
> Saraswat A, et al. Evidence Supporting the Biologic Nature of Gender
> Identity. Endocr Pract. 2015 Feb;21(2): 199-204.
>
> So who authored the study?
>
> No surprises to find Joshua Safer but who's this Jamie Weinand guy?
>
> https://journals.aace.com/doi/abs/10.4158/EP14351.RA
>
> A transgender man...
>
> "Jamie Weinand is a fourth-year med student and a trans man."
>
> https://tgforum.com/the-week-in-trans-32717/
>
> Seem Kristina Olson can't find the evidence:
>
> "Thus, whereas the topic is an active line of work in many research
> laboratories around the world, definitive conclusions about genetic
> and neural correlates of gender identity remain elusive."
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-sex-and-gender-collide/
Sent: 1/22/2020 5:24:13 PM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>,
"Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Florida House - Vulnerable Child Protection Act
I have sent the name of a pediatrician, psychologist and 3 therapists to the lobbyist at the FL Catholic Conference
who is working w/ Rep. Sabatini (the lobbyist called me this AM).
I stressed the importance of reflecting the fact that this is "a movement whose time has come" and that this bill
has "come about due to the passion of parents of children who have been harmed, de-transitioners, as well as
attorneys and doctors across the nation".
Rep. Sabatini did not think to line up witnesses prior to filing which is unfortunate. Nevertheless, he believes
that having medical and mental health witnesses will suffice to pass it out of this
initial committee which is set to hear the bill either next Wed or Feb 4th. But once it passes out of that Health
Quality Committee, I've urged them to get a diversity of witnesses as was achieved for SD.
Best,
Michelle
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:19 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Richard,
I believe there's an error with Rep Sabatini's email address. The email I sent bounced.
I suggest using this email address instead: afsabatini@gmail.com
James
On Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 01:08:05 PM EST, Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org> wrote:
All,
Please meet Rep. Anthony Sabatini. His legislative assistant’s email is below.
Anthony is requesting any experts, particularly MDs, in favor of HB 1365 VCPA to send him letters stating their
opinions, which can be sent via the .gov email addresses below.
He is also requesting any available experts to appear and give personal testimony.
He believes the FL VCPA HB 1365 will be heard in Committee Week 3 or 4 at the Health Quality subcommittee – most
likely Wednesday, January 29, 2019; or Wednesday, February 5.
If you are willing to appear or send a letter, please contact Anthony on his cell, below, or at
afsabotini@gmail.com.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
From: Carter, Jason <Jason.Carter@myfloridahouse.gov> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 5:24 PMTo: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>Cc: Sabatini, Anthony <Anthony.Sabatini@myfloridahouse.gov>; McClain, Matthew
<McClain.Matthew@flsenate.gov>Subject: Florida House Bill 615 - Vulnerable Child Protection Act
Good Afternoon Mr. Mast,
Rep. Sabatini is sponsoring this bill in the Florida House and we are trying to compile a list of experts that
could advocate in support of this bill. We are trying to compile a list of scientific or medical experts. I look
forward to hearing from you and please reach out to Rep. Sabatini directly on his cell phone if you would like
(352) 455-2928. Looking forward to hearing from you! Have a great rest of the day!
Respectfully,
Jason Lee Carter, Esq.
Legislative Assistant to Anthony Sabatini
Florida House of Representatives, District 32
(850) 717-5032
Attachment:
Sent: 2/2/2020 5:39:35 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Florida Legislature
Attachments: HB1365.Testimony.James.Shupe.signed.pdf
Thanks so much James!

Appreciated. Hope your testimony gets in the record and hits its target.
-Mike

Dr. Laidlaw,
I don't yet if they'll enter this into the record tomorrow during testimony but they asked me to write something.
I gave your Public Discourse article about Jazz a mention.
Blessings,
James
Attachment:
Sent: 1/13/2020 7:15:23 PM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson"
"Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Brooks Roger"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
Subject: Re: Florida's Child Protection Act
Thank you James. Alabama plans to drop their bill the second week in February. We are waiting to go public until
then.
C
205.879.7096 office
205.587.5166 cell
www.eagleforum.org
All,
Blessings,
James
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/13/2020 7:14:39 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt
Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD
Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>,
Subject: RE: Florida's Child Protection Act
Thank you. I will drop our bill tomorrow. Committee hearing is scheduled for Friday. I gave an interview with AP reporter today. Wonâ€™t be long and media will take note. â€“ Rep. Fred Deutsch

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 9:08 PM
To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Richard Mast
<rmast@lc.org>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; David
Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>;
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; drmcretella@gmail.com
Subject: Florida's Child Protection Act
All,
Blessings,
James
From: Media Team
Sent: 3/13/2019 8:22:22 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Fw: Connecting Kara and Jamie
“Fantastic! Tell him thank you from me and all the other moms with kids in therapy for anxiety and depression who
live in fear for our kids bc of this. His voice is so important and a great comfort to us.”

Thank you Jamie, for everything. It’s hard for me to engage on email during the day because of my employment. I
will be sure to respond more fully later.
I understand your issue with SS. I don’t know the answer but I will think more carefully about it. I know some
First Amendment experts.

Hi Kara,
Jamie

Hi Jamie,
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
From: Media Team
Sent: 3/13/2019 8:14:03 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Fw: Connecting Kara and Jamie
Thank you Jamie, for everything. It’s hard for me to engage on email during the day because of my employment. I will
be sure to respond more fully later.
I understand your issue with SS. I don’t know the answer but I will think more carefully about it. I know some First
Amendment experts.

Hi Kara,
Jamie

Hi Jamie,
Best,
Brandon Showalter
CP Reporter
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 1/21/2020 3:12:18 PM
Cc: "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestoin
Thanks!
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:56 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Okay, forwarding it to Natasha.
James

Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 05:54:49 PM EST
Quentin
Quentin
Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with
severe autism because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers
in trans kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
James
Exactly.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there
is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no
disease to be treated — that is child abuse.

Vernadette


770.448.4525

argument.
-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to
involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or
psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed
consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does
not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for
sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally
incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians
consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups
advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal
protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not
being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite
is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same
protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other
children.
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM <
repeat it ad nauseam regardless the
question or accusation. That is the bottom
line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact
and principle.
Sent from my iPhone
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unknown long-term
consequences. Without this
ban in place, SD will follow
what is already happening in
other states: minors who
successfully sue in court to
obtain this supposedly "life-
saving" medical intervention.
And when they grow up with
irreversible regret, who will be
liable? The state.

of a former spouse who is
intent on medicalizing their
child. Finding an attorney to
help is nearly as difficult as
finding a therapist. And even
when they do, who knows how
a judge will rule? Banning these
procedures will take these
serious medical decisions away
from misinformed judges.
medically necessary
intervention is the big
unchallenged domino that is
driving both the legal and
directly.
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Subject: Re: GA bill
"Over the 8 years of the study, from 2006 to 2014, the number of gender non-conforming minors rose 800% in Georgia, 1,000% in southern California, 1,100% in northern CA."
http://www.therapyequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Harms-of-Therapy-Bans-General-2019-11-25.pdf
Is that it?
On Friday, December 13, 2019, 09:41:47 PM EST, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I may have to make a retraction. I said previously that a Kaiser-Permanente study found an 800% increase in trans kids from 2006 to 2014. But I can’t find it now. So until or unless one of us sees it in the article, don’t use
it. So sorry. It’s making me nuts not to find it.
However, I can confirm the following is in the article:

A robust (longitudinal) Kaiser-Permanente study found psychiatric disorders, often with hospitalization, led up to onset of gender non congruence in 66% of adolescent cases. Rates of psychiatric
disorders and hospitalizations during the 6 months before first evidence of gender non conformance were up to 50 to 70 times higher than for matched gender concordant peers of the same sex. (Tables 3 and 4)
(Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. (2018), Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth Compared With Their Peers, Pediatrics, 141(5):5, Table 3, e20173845
Laura
On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:40 AM, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along with their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We need to take
this down and, for our case, list this government document in our favor:
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery (CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare-
coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called “SAMHSA report” has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on the website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the Obama
administration. I have the connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3 scientific errors in it, especially if they are about transgenders.
Let’s roll.
Ending Conversion Therapy: Supporting and Affirming LGBTQ Youth (Oct. 2015). https://store.samhsa.gov/product/SMA15-4928
Laura
On Oct 30, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this legislative session in Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple district within the
city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And she’s
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia — including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (we’re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around
the country.
Quentin — May need your help on Pickens County - will be in touch.

Blessings to all!
Vernadette
Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

Attachment:
From: Jane Robbins
Sent: 10/30/2019 1:46:06 PM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle
Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Roger G. Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>,
"Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Jonathan Keller"
<jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Greg Burt, Dir of Capitol Engagement" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Rene Jax"
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Miriam Grossman"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Laura, this is enormously helpful. I was going to ask you for the link, but I found it:
We will review and I, at least, will check back with you for translation services on the parts I don't understand.
Thank you!
Jane
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:38 PM Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
Quentin and All,
Here is recent and truly excellent research on trans children and minors among Kaiser-Permanente members in
Georgia, northern CA, southern CA.
From a presentation I just gave at the conference of the Society of Catholic Social Scientists, Oct. 29, 2019,
Steubenville, Ohio (held at Franciscan University):
Kaiser-Permanente studied non-conforming gender identity in its members from 2006 to 2014. It found that 70%-71% of
adolescents (ages 10-17) who later identified as gender non-conforming had high rates of other psychiatric
diagnoses prior to first evidence of gender non-conformity, and most of those (60-66%) were in force during the 6
months before onset of gender non-conformity. Prevalence [prevalence ratios] of these diagnoses, and of
hospitalizations for these disorders, compared to gender conforming boys and girls, mostly ranged from moderate to
astronomically sky high. Children (ages 3-9) who later became gender non-conforming had a similar pattern of higher
prevalence for lifetime disorders and 6-month-before-onset diagnoses, but in lower absolute numbers. Some children
did not have other psychiatric disorders. Kohlberg said children are simply still developing their concept of
gender identity up to age 7.
Over the 8 years of the study, from 2006 to 2014, the number of gender non-conforming minors rose 800% in Georgia.
This retrospective and prospective, longitudinal study used the complete set of electronic medical records for an
entire cohort of Kaiser-Permanente members at three sites (Georgia, northern California, and southern California)
for the years 2006 - 2014.
It may be the first research that found onset dates of psychiatric disorders and first evidence date of gender non-
conforming identity.
There were 427 TF (bio Ms) and 655 TM (bio Fs) children and adolescents = 1,082 GNCs (gender identity non-
conformers means TFs + TMs).
Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth Compared With
Their Peers. Pediatrics. 2018;141(5):e20173845
Blessings,
Laura
Former President, Christian Association for Psychological Studies—Western Region
714-665-3333

Fantastic! I believe Georgia will be the forth state to introduce the bill! – Fred Deutsch

To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique
Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Brooks Roger
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Gary McCaleb <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan <jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg <gregb@californiafamily.org>;
Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax Rene <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>;
Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; James Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this legislative session in
Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a
very purple district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a
fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And she’s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia — including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (we’re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to
your prayer teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 10/31/2019 11:21:33 AM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Keller Jonathan"
<jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Burt Greg" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Laura Haynes"
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
On a useful and related note, my CMDA blog on the parent resource guide to the trans movement is out today.
Andre
https://cmda.org/the-parent-resource-guide-for-the-trans-movement/
Sent from my iPhone
Team
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You
all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple district
within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood
passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill
forward. And sheâ€™s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens
County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer
teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette
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Subject: GA bill
<PRESS RELEASE - EHRHART - VULNERABLE CHILD PROTECTION ACT.pdf>

Attachment:
Sent: 11/6/2019 10:29:07 AM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Michelle Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Roger G.
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Jonathan Keller" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Greg Burt, Dir of Capitol Engagement"
<gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Miriam Grossman" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "James Shupe"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter"
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called â€œSAMHSA reportâ€ has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on the
website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the Obama administration. I have the
connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3 scientific errors in it, especially if they
are about transgenders.
Letâ€™s roll.
Ending Conversion Therapy: Supporting and Affirming LGBTQ Youth (Oct. 2015). https://store.samhsa.gov/product/SMA15-
4928
Laura
Team
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

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□
Attachment:
Sent: 11/6/2019 10:31:35 AM
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Jonathan
Keller" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Greg Burt, Dir of Capitol Engagement" <gregb@californiafamily.org>,
"Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Miriam Grossman"
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins"
Beloved Warriors,
Letâ€™s roll.
4928
Laura
Team
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

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□
Attachment:
Sent: 11/6/2019 10:40:15 AM
P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along with their
list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We need to take this
down and, for our case, list this government document in our favor:
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery
(CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare- coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
Letâ€™s roll.
4928
Laura
Team
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

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770.448.4525
C
Sent: 11/6/2019 11:04:33 AM
Cc: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Michelle
Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Roger G. Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Jonathan Keller" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Greg Burt, Dir of Capitol Engagement"
<gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Miriam Grossman" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "James Shupe"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter"
This sounds like an excellent idea Laura. I'm backlogged at the moment, but would love to pick it apart.
-Mike
On 2019-11-06 10:40, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. wrote:
P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along with
their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We need to take
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment
Surgery (CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare- coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called "SAMHSA report" has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on the
Let's roll.
Ending Conversion Therapy: Supporting and Affirming LGBTQ Youth (Oct. 2015).
https://store.samhsa.gov/product/SMA15-4928
Laura

Team
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all
should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple district within the
city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and
courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And she's
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia — including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County
(we're on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around
the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

Attachment:
Sent: 12/13/2019 6:41:35 PM
All,
I may have to make a retraction. I said previously that a Kaiser-Permanente study found an 800% increase in trans
kids from 2006 to 2014. But I canâ€™t find it now. So until or unless one of us sees it in the article, donâ€™t use
it. So sorry. Itâ€™s making me nuts not to find it.

A robust (longitudinal) Kaiser-Permanente study found psychiatric disorders, often with hospitalization, led up
to onset of gender non congruence in 66% of adolescent cases. Rates of psychiatric disorders and hospitalizations
during the 6 months before first evidence of gender non conformance were up to 50 to 70 times higher than for
matched gender concordant peers of the same sex. (Tables 3 and 4)
(Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. (2018), Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth
Compared With Their Peers, Pediatrics, 141(5):5, Table 3, e20173845
Laura
P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along
with their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We
need to take this down and, for our case, list this government document in our favor:
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment
Surgery (CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare- coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called â€œSAMHSA reportâ€ has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on
the website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the Obama administration.
I have the connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3 scientific errors in it,
especially if they are about transgenders.
Letâ€™s roll.
Laura

Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of
weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this legislative session in
Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate!
You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple
district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue.
Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to
carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in
Pickens County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart
to your prayer teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525
Sent: 12/13/2019 8:21:19 PM
Cc:
James,
That is very nifty.
And, yep, I published that myself, too, with the same reference. But I can’t find the figures from which I
calculated the %’s. The article does not give the %’s directly. I calculated them from data the article did give.—
somewhere in there!?!
On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:55 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Over the 8 years of the study, from 2006 to 2014, the number of gender non-conforming minors rose 800% in Georgia, 1,000% in southern California, 1,100% in northern CA."
http://www.therapyequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Harms-of-Therapy-Bans-General-2019-11-25.pdf
Is that it?
All,
I may have to make a retraction. I said previously that a Kaiser-Permanente study found an 800% increase in trans kids from 2006 to 2014. But I can’t find it now. So until or unless one of us sees it in the
article, don’t use it. So sorry. It’s making me nuts not to find it.

A robust (longitudinal) Kaiser-Permanente study found psychiatric disorders, often with hospitalization, led up to onset of gender non congruence in 66% of adolescent cases. Rates of
psychiatric disorders and hospitalizations during the 6 months before first evidence of gender non conformance were up to 50 to 70 times higher than for matched gender concordant peers of the same
sex. (Tables 3 and 4)
Laura
P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along with their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We
need to take this down and, for our case, list this government document in our favor:
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery (CAG-00446N),
https://www.cms.gov/medicare- coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called “SAMHSA report” has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on the website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the
Obama administration. I have the connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3 scientific errors in it, especially if they are about transgenders.
Let’s roll.
Laura
Team
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent last year in a very purple
district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry
this bill forward. And she’s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia — including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (we’re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer

Blessings to all!
Vernadette
Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

Attachment:
Sent: 12/13/2019 8:37:29 PM
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, ") Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary
McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins"
NOTE:
On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I may have to make a retraction. I said previously that a Kaiser-Permanente study found an 800% increase in
trans kids from 2006 to 2014. But I canâ€™t find it now. So until or unless one of us sees it in the article,
donâ€™t use it. So sorry. Itâ€™s making me nuts not to find it.

A robust (longitudinal) Kaiser-Permanente study found psychiatric disorders, often with hospitalization,
led up to onset of gender non congruence in 66% of adolescent cases. Rates of psychiatric disorders and
hospitalizations during the 6 months before first evidence of gender non conformance were up to 50 to 70
times higher than for matched gender concordant peers of the same sex. (Tables 3 and 4)
THIS IS A QUOTE FROM SOMETHING I WROTE, NOT FROM THE ARTICLE ITSELF.
(Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. (2018), Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth
Compared With Their Peers, Pediatrics, 141(5):5, Table 3, e20173845
Laura

P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed
along with their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees
with them. We need to take this down and, for our case, list this government document in our favor:
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender
Reassignment Surgery (CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare- coverage-database/details/nca-decision-
memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called â€œSAMHSA reportâ€ has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has
been on the website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the Obama
administration. I have the connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3
scientific errors in it, especially if they are about transgenders.
Letâ€™s roll.
Laura

Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a
couple of weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill this
legislative session in Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the
starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic opponent
last year in a very purple district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist
parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and
beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s working with
Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda
in Pickens County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep.
Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525
C
Sent: 12/13/2019 6:48:57 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
Laura,
Whenever dealing with information that needs to be preserved, suggest archiving it at these two websites:
https://archive.org/web/
And
http://archive.is/
The latter is a European site.
If you can pass me the exact sentences from an article, I can see if I can track it down.
Blessings,
James
All,
I may have to make a retraction. I said previously that a Kaiser-Permanente study found an 800% increase in trans kids from 2006 to 2014. But I can’t find it now. So until or unless one of us sees it in the article, don’t use
it. So sorry. It’s making me nuts not to find it.
A robust (longitudinal) Kaiser-Permanente study found psychiatric disorders, often with hospitalization, led up to onset of gender non congruence in 66% of adolescent cases. Rates of psychiatric
disorders and hospitalizations during the 6 months before first evidence of gender non conformance were up to 50 to 70 times higher than for matched gender concordant peers of the same sex. (Tables 3 and 4)
Laura

P.S. To clarify the importance, this document is used regularly to argue therapy bans. It is listed along with their list of professional organizations. They use it to say even the government agrees with them. We need to take
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, August 30, 2016, Decision Memo for Gender Dys- phoria and Gender Reassignment Surgery (CAG-00446N), https://www.cms.gov/medicare-
coverage-database/details/nca-decision-memo.aspx?NCAId=282
Beloved Warriors,
The so-called “SAMHSA report” has to come down before the campaign against training kids. This has been on the website of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration since the Obama
administration. I have the connection to the connection to get it taken down as soon as I have 3 scientific errors in it, especially if they are about transgenders.
Let’s roll.
Laura
Team
the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

From: M L
Sent: 2/11/2019 2:26:51 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Greetings!
Would it be ok for me to introduce you to Dr. Cretella by email as well? She absolutely loved your Federalist
article.
If so I have another email that I use. It will come from there.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 1:32 PM Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:

Please do. Here are the details.
https://jamieshupe.wordpress.com/2019/02/11/jamie-shupe-twitter-locked-my-account-today/
I'm aware of Dr. Cretalla's work and I'm a fan.
The judge in my case has a transgender kid. I believe that's the reason she issued the landmark court decision. She wasn't just validating me, she was doing the same for her child. I hope
that nasty detail is finally going to get made public very soon. She should have recused herself because of that. I've provided reporters with my complete VA med records and an email
from my lawyer about the judge's kid.
Look forward to being back later.
Jamie
On Monday, February 11, 2019, 4:24:45 PM EST, M L <docdrlaidlaw@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jamie,
That's one reason I like to get people's email addresses. You never know when the twitter police will make them disappear...
I believe Madeleine Kearns said she would be writing an article too. So I look forward to reading that.
Very curious about those nuke rounds :)
I'm in contact with a collection of doctors fighting back against what's happening. They wanted to also pass on a deeply felt message of thanks for being so courageous to speak out. You may know of Dr. Michelle
Cretella? She is one of them. She's done a lot of great work speaking out about the dangers to children.
Ok if I report on Twitter about how you were suspended?
-Mike
Hello Dr. Laidlaw,
Thanks for the kind words. I'm in Twitter jail today and can't use my account. Twitter locked my account for saying that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder after someone asked my thoughts on it. It's a 12-hour
suspension. I hope to be back on tonight.
I've got some nuke rounds to unload about my court victory. I hope some journalists are going to drop them very soon.
Jamie
From: M L
Sent: 2/11/2019 4:14:02 PM
Cc:
Ok to introduce you to another physician friend of Michelle and myself? His name is Dr. Andre Van Mol.

Yes, I'd be happy to get introduced. That would be an honor.
Would it be ok for me to introduce you to Dr. Cretella by email as well? She absolutely loved your Federalist article.

The judge in my case has a transgender kid. I believe that's the reason she issued the landmark court decision. She wasn't just validating me, she was doing the same for her child. I
hope that nasty detail is finally going to get made public very soon. She should have recused herself because of that. I've provided reporters with my complete VA med records and an
email from my lawyer about the judge's kid.
Jamie
Hi Jamie,
-Mike
Hello Dr. Laidlaw,
Jamie
From: M L
Sent: 2/11/2019 4:34:05 PM
Cc:
Yes!
:D

The more the merrier. I like for fighting forces to have lots of heavy-duty firepower.
Ok to introduce you to another physician friend of Michelle and myself? His name is Dr. Andre Van Mol.

Yes, I'd be happy to get introduced. That would be an honor.
Would it be ok for me to introduce you to Dr. Cretella by email as well? She absolutely loved your Federalist article.
The judge in my case has a transgender kid. I believe that's the reason she issued the landmark court decision. She wasn't just validating me, she was doing the same for her child. I
hope that nasty detail is finally going to get made public very soon. She should have recused herself because of that. I've provided reporters with my complete VA med records and an
email from my lawyer about the judge's kid.
Jamie
Hi Jamie,
-Mike
Hello Dr. Laidlaw,
Jamie
From: M L
Sent: 2/11/2019 1:24:33 PM
Cc:
Hi Jamie,
That's one reason I like to get people's email addresses. You never know when the twitter police will make them
disappear...
I'm in contact with a collection of doctors fighting back against what's happening. They wanted to also pass on a
deeply felt message of thanks for being so courageous to speak out. You may know of Dr. Michelle Cretella? She is
one of them. She's done a lot of great work speaking out about the dangers to children.
-Mike

Hello Dr. Laidlaw,
Thanks for the kind words. I'm in Twitter jail today and can't use my account. Twitter locked my account for saying
that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder after someone asked my thoughts on it. It's a 12-hour suspension. I hope
to be back on tonight.
I hope you are well. Thanks to you also for being one of the few brave souls willing to take a stand for these
kids.
I've got some nuke rounds to unload about my court victory. I hope some journalists are going to drop them very
soon.
Jamie
Sent: 1/25/2020 7:42:05 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: HB1057 House Floor Vote
Here's a tweet thread about Zucker claiming the "they know at an early age thing" requires a rethink:
https://twitter.com/NotableDesister/status/1184454106691313664
The glaring problem with this is all those lesbian girls and gay boys who first come out as gay and then later trans. Coming out as gay or lesbian means you're acknowledging your
biological sex and an attraction to that same-sex. Then after exposure to gender ideology or opposition to be being gay, etc., they flip their sex identification.

This bill is particularly sinister when examined in detail. The BLUF is that South Dakota 2020 House Bill (HB) 1057 makes it illegal for a medical professional to offer gender affirming surgery or hormone therapy to any
child under the age of 16.
As a transgender woman who chose to stay in South Dakota when I retired, I feel that I can offer some genuine insight into the “concerns” this bill is addressing. I will give them the benefit of a doubt and assume that they
didn’t know the truth behind their actions, kind of like doing the wrong thing for the right reasons scenario.
This in direct conflict with research from 2019 which found that transgender children’s gender identity is just as “real” (my word) as that of cisgender children. (1,2) Just as you knew that you “were” a boy or a girl as a child,
a transgender child knows that they are a boy or girl as well. They weren’t coerced, trained or brought up to think that, it is just a fact that they know to be true in their mind.
This was submitted as the “Vulnerable Child Protection Act” in an attempt to pull at the “think of the poor defenseless children” emotional angle. In reality, this bill is exactly the opposite. Transgender children suffer
immense mental anguish as they develop through puberty as their body develops in direct opposition to the mind. This leads to a near constant questioning of why they are different and unable to find solace in their physical
body like their peers. Unfortunately this leads to an disproportionately high suicide attempt rate. Estimates are as high as 50% for transgender boys and 30% for transgender girls. (3). I can attest that being on Hormone
Replacement Therapy has literally been a life saver. The mental static is erased and peace can finally be found as the brain is no longer being “poisoned” by the body pumping it full of a hormone cocktail that is
incompatible. Imagine being in a constant state of physical pain and then feeling the wave of relief as the pain management medication finally takes hold. This is not an exaggeration of how significant the feeling is.
This bill also included a ban on gender affirming surgery. No surgeon in SD will perform such a surgery on a minor now, nor will any insurance cover such a procedure. Including this in the bill is nothing more than a dog
whistle for people to rally behind to “protect” the children from the specter of regretting transitioning. The VAST majority (97.8%) of adults who transitioned as a child have absolutely no regrets for their transition (4).
In summary, this bill does absolutely nothing to protect transgender children and will only serve to take away any treatment options. These decisions are extremely personal and should only be made between the (1)
patient/minor (2) guardian/parent and (3) medical professional. The state has no business interfering with this. There are enough measures in place already to triple-check that the proposed treatment is the most
appropriate course of action.
-Astrid Huetson
(1) Eckart, Kim. 11.18.19. “Among transgender children, gender identity as strong as in cisgender children, study shows.” University of Washington News. https://www.washington.edu/news/2019/11/18/among-transgender-
children-gender-identity-as-strong-as-in-cisgender-children-study-shows/
(4) Dhejne, Cecilia & Oberg, Katarina & Arver, Stefan & Landén, Mikael. (2014). An Analysis of All Applications for Sex Reassignment Surgery in Sweden, 1960-2010: Prevalence, Incidence, and Regrets. Archives of sexual
behavior. 43. 10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8.
Sent: 1/25/2020 8:03:04 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Hueston's idea of being a woman:
"My first nail experience was absolutely amazing! I felt welcomed and accepted by the superb staff. My face is going to hurt from smiling after this!"
https://www.facebook.com/aperfect10nailbar/posts/3070825026323216

-Astrid Huetson
behavior. 43. 10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8.
Sent: 1/25/2020 7:36:48 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Fred,
The Washington State study is nothing but sex stereotypes. If you're a boy who likes pink, it means you're really a girl, etc. Another problem is it pitches the myth that children have a gender
identity and know it by age 3-4 and that it's unchangeable. All those teen girls in Litman's ROGD study debunk that. As do statements by Johanna Olson-Kennedy. I can provide them.
"This in direct conflict with research from 2019 which found that transgender children’s gender identity is just as “real” (my word) as that of cisgender children. (1,2) Just as you knew that
you “were” a boy or a girl as a child, a transgender child knows that they are a boy or girl as well. They weren’t coerced, trained or brought up to think that, it is just a fact that they know to
be true in their mind."
https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/30/new-study-suggests-playing-with-dolls-proves-a-boy-is-transgender/
Zucker: "GIC clinicians, who saw clients between ages 3 and 18, had a much more cautious stance on social transitioning for their younger clients — they believed
that in many cases, it was preferable to first “help children feel comfortable in their own bodies,” as they often put it, since in the GIC’s view gender is quite
malleable at a young age and gender dysphoria will likely resolve itself with time."
https://www.thecut.com/2016/02/fight-over-trans-kids-got-a-researcher-fired.html
Ask Laidlaw or Malone to rip into this garbage:
"The mental static is erased and peace can finally be found as the brain is no longer being “poisoned” by the body pumping it full of a hormone cocktail that is
incompatible."
"In both these cases, after an initial assessment the individual was given testosterone treatment by a physician against the wishes of the parents – in the first case, the physician
actually refused to meet the parents, and in the second, the physician recorded that the issues raised by the parents regarding anxiety, sexual and social problems weren’t relevant
for the course of action. Sadly, in the case of the second individual, a few months after the start of the hormone treatment, they made a suicide attempt that required
hospitalisation; the reasons for this were not reported."
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2018/01/17/most-children-and-teens-with-gender-dysphoria-also-have-multiple-other-psychological-issues/
As I've stated before, it's the mental health issues driving the self-harm and suicide but the activists blame it on the withholding of care. But again, all those late transitioners like me who
never engaged in self-harm of suicide attempts dispel that myth. And "cutting" is a very common trait with females, especially with a borderline personality disorder.
This Astrid person appears to be a late transitioner, which in itself goes against his arguments.
"No surgeon in SD will perform such a surgery on a minor now, nor will any insurance cover such a procedure."
They just take the kid to California or Oregon or Washington State. Jazz Jennings got flown to California for blockers.
"Transgender children suffer immense mental anguish as they develop through puberty as their body develops in direct opposition to the mind"
The wrong puberty argument debunked by Malone in his YouTube video. Remember, puberty cures most of them.
James

-Astrid Huetson
behavior. 43. 10.1007/s10508-014-0300-8.
Sent: 1/21/2020 10:01:13 AM
To: "Richard Mast" <RMast@LC.org>
Cc:
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Yes, I think it is. Am I correct that the more cases a court order gets cited in the more impact it can have? Or, am I off base on that?
Lambda and the ACLU didn't waste any time in citing my non-binary court order in more than one case.
James
On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, 12:58:35 PM EST, Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org> wrote:
Great idea!

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To: juliannehyoung@gmail.com; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>
Cc: Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>;
David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert
Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg
<greg.scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
Richard,
Mr. Smith and Representative Young may wish to consider using my recent court order from Oregon as part of their evidence because a big part of the birth cert argument is the mythical third sex, aka disorders of sexual
development, etc. But most importantly, the court order states my sex change to non-binary was a psychologically harmful legal fiction and that the hormone therapy did not change my sex.
The petition also references my Canadian affidavit and Supreme Court amicus brief.
See the attached documents, and please reach out to me if I can be of assistance in any other manner.
Blessings,
James Shupe
All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking
down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne
and Steve.
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I like what you're doing with the legal fiction argument. As you're probably aware, I've advanced it a lot too, and
I think the trans lobby is very vulnerable from the legal fiction angle.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 01:38:12 PM EST, Kelsey Coalition wrote:
Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a
girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal
fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition wrote:

> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are
changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave
birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her
young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do
not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
>
> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House Members'
emails here:
> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>
> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>
>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle
Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she
has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems
that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by
animus.
>>
>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a
very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of my statements which
suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state
generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed
only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already
been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are
placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may
sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-
argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted
to the Senate by the end of the week.
>>
>> The video of the hearing is available
here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It
was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes.
Most of the file is our bill.
>>
>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>
>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically
reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by which those applications
may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of
material statistics.
>>
>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the
definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has consistently acted
on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing
their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and
jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for
decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we
accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological
fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
>>
>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>
>> Julianne Young
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9
but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are interested in
listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical
or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a
qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private
policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively
implement those research-based policies.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are
on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from
Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
>>>>>
>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8k-zehU6_j9JN-iHbG5-NV1LeQrlddM3Cryl_LXzFw/edit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and
share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a
print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am
working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would
welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I
believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final
draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I
have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be
to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the
larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request
I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which
we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I
believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is
appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within
the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any
requirements should that be the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank
you to those who are providing review on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our
Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.”
“Differential treatment” is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast Subject: Re: Idaho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from
SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to
what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January
24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote
as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender
in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for
Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are
on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a
conversation with them to that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using
them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames the debate, we lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve Smith ; Fred Deutsch ; Mary McAlister
; David Pickup ; Eunie Smith ; Gary McCaleb ; Glenn Ridder ; Horvath Hacsi ; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) ;
Michelle Cretella ; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins ; Lappert Patrick ; MD Paul Hruz PhD ; Margaret Clarke ; Matt
Sharp ; McHugh Paul ; Monique Robles MD ; Quentin Van Meter ; Roger Brooks ; Scott, Greg ; Timothy Millea MD ;
Vernadette Broyles ; Walt Heyer ; William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2,
line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill.
Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece
of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have raised 2 other good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex?
If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate
status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female,
there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to
use the nomenclature of non-science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A
worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something
that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or
female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's
unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First,
the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word
like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an
umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both
categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals,
but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter
the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than
addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-
based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of
government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public
health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their
biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of
general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our
nation's founding.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between
male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on
biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and
would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to
secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals.
For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in
healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying
individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect
treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which
sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the plural
of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the
facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are
legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies and contracts.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon
which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a
duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific
quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young.
They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-
based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require
birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical
experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted
his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and
Steve.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to Rep.
Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
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To: "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
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As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity,
even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the
topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole
sham.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 02:48:38 PM EST, Michelle Cretella wrote:
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate
in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand
up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister wrote:

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e.,
the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or
rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring
children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
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> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
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> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are
>>>
>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House
Members' emails here:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle
animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a
>>>>
>>>> The video of the hearing is available
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe
the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has consistently
acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in
issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the
state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts
for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If
we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We
are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week
from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may
be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast Subject: Re:
Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language
from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in
response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote
as follows:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and
gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve Smith ; Fred Deutsch ; Mary
McAlister ; David Pickup ; Eunie Smith ; Gary McCaleb ; Glenn Ridder ; Horvath Hacsi ; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe) ; Michelle Cretella ; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins ; Lappert Patrick ; MD Paul Hruz PhD ; Margaret Clarke
; Matt Sharp ; McHugh Paul ; Monique Robles MD ; Quentin Van Meter ; Roger Brooks ; Scott, Greg ; Timothy Millea MD
; Vernadette Broyles ; Walt Heyer ; William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page
2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of
sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the
indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being
left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are
the recommendations to resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are
a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this?
First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a
word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become
an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to
counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent,
rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative,
biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the
performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to,
identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals
determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of
nation's founding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between
characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex
and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to
incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender
treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
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Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking
down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that
require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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Julianne,
I can't chime in on the legal aspects of this from the lawyer end, but what jumps out at me is you're going after defining birth certificates from the biological angle, which is being truthful both
in the document and what's being told to the recipient by the document. The transgender folks, on the other hand, are basing sex on gender identity, something, as you know that's based on
subjective, and subject to change personal feelings about oneself. So where I'm going with this is the State is being complicit in lying about what the sex of a person is when they allow
gender identity to be used to determine sex.
The definition of transgender is the person has a gender identity that's opposite of their biological sex. Or in the case of non-binary, some claim no gender identity at all. So the "treated
differently" argument being made is a trans person who identifies as female is being treated differently than another female, a natal one because they're both females. By the very definition
of transgender, they're not even the same thing, to begin with, to make the argument that they're being treated differently.
This gets back to my court order and what Kelsey has said about this whole thing is a legal fiction. So even if the transgender person wants to be lied to about what they are, it's still harmful
and the state should not be involved in lying to people to accommodate their mental disorder.
There's no discussion from the OAG about gender identity versus sex in this document.
Another thing that can't be ignored, teams trans is gonna go after getting non-binary birth certificates. The thing is the X marker or "unknown" marker like mine was changed to are still
based on sex. For example, the X marker means "sex unspecified," acknowledging sex still exists. The "unknown" marker means sex wasn't determinable. Again, none of this supports
gender identity to mean sex.
Harm wise, the problem in female sports can be pointed out, the ADF litigation in Connecticut.
The LGBT advocates can't prove gender identity exists and that should be part of the argument and the fight. Besides, which gender identity? Are all 73 or more authentic and real? This is
where they're most vulnerable.
Dr. Paul McHugh in the Atlantis Report: "The causes of such cross-gender identification remain poorly understood. Research investigating whether these transgender individuals
have certain physiological features or experiences in common with the opposite sex, such as brain structures or atypical prenatal hormone exposures, has so far been
inconclusive."
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/part-three-gender-identity-sexuality-and-gender
The OAG is also pointing to a trans military case. Trump has been winning that battle.
My thoughts.
Blessings and prayers for your success.

James
On Wednesday, March 4, 2020, 10:49:30 AM EST, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and suggestions are
appreciated. Thanks.

I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think about what we
will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.
Sent from my iPhone
Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the
issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You
have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-
changing-gender-markers-on-birth-certificates
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers that are actually
knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their "Freedom of
Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and
free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that
legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave
birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her
permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the
acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court
be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered
some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the
arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered
by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may
sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday
and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very
short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process
by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level,
has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely
undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material
distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all
sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if
any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information
regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we
undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working
toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
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>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8k-zehU6_j9JN-iHbG5-NV1LeQrlddM3Cryl_LXzFw/edit
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>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from
Wednesday.
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beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I
am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital
statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office.
Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or
female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the
parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate
status.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has
access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused
primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the
decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity
Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>;
Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>;
Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
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the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today
which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into
our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics
fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
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consistently applied since our nation's founding.
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defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
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“the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a
recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio,
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Sent: 3/21/2020 7:58:48 AM
To: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch"
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane
"Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott,
Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Bcc:
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and
you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation.
As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss
them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the
argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was
an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such
thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in
allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real
harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy
over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just hope
they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs more state
legislators like you. – Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.

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Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary
McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique
Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30 on the
Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they are not
moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the
Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.


I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think
about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to
a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers that
are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their
"Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates
free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls
when they are boys.
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to
party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a
mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change
her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony
would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony).
She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state
conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought
up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of
court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the
House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There
was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the
federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in
the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades
specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity
irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online
or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate
information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the
legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and
are working toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
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towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public
testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this
final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support
from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination
of male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a
signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the
potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make
the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
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be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
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<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
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negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our
vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional
language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
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statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks,
conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
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law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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of many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
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declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended
medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments,
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to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect
sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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Julianne,
Men dying far more often the women from Covid-19 and the need to track such health issues can be used as another talking point for your birth cert bill.
Here's why the coronavirus may be killing more men than women. The US should take note
Here's why the coronavirus may be killing
■ more men than women. The US sh...

Katie Polglase, Gianluca Mezzofiore and Max Foster, CNN
Smoking, drinking, general poor health: Researchers say
these are some of the factors that could explain why mor...
Blessings,
James
On Monday, March 23, 2020, 03:21:18 PM EDT, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night
he hadn't addressed it yet.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:58 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and you knew that was coming going
into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have
folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people
testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got
them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all
be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing
them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood
against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or because
of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis
off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young
Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30 on
the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young





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Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth
to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers
that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
when they are boys.
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mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change
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testimony). She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because
the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything
I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in
contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument
on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms
in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades
specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity
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this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing
support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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of male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a
signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the
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can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
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Sent: 3/30/2020 7:03:50 PM
To: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Kelsey Coalition"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy
Bcc:
Julianne,
Such wonderful news in otherwise dark times. I've been making a point to pray each day, asking that the Governor would sign these bills, and those prayers have now been answered. But
stay strong, please, because a lot of hate will no doubt be coming your way as the problematic elements of the media feign outrage.
Blessings, and many thanks for all of your hard work and courage to pass this historic legislation.
James
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 09:23:10 PM EDT, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
God is with us!
Quentin
On March 30, 2020 at 8:26 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
I cannot thank you enough for your help and support! It is official-- Governor Little signed both H500 and H509 today! Many tears and prayers of gratitude! The fight goes on!
With love and gratitude,
Julianne Young
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:27 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks to Arthur for forwarding the email below. It is imperative that we keep our governor hearing our support for these bills.
208-334-2100 | governor@gov.idaho.gov
Julianne Young
From: Arthur Schaper <Arthur@massresistance.org>

Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 10:32 AM
To: Representative Julianne Young <JYoung@house.idaho.gov>
Subject: Fw: URGENT: In a pandemic, anti-LGBTQ extremists in Idaho attack transgender youth
Hey Julianne:
This organization is based in Massachusetts, and they are also targeting the Governor of Idaho.
We are still going after the Governor, though, to make sure that he signs or at least allow the bills to become law.
Arthur Schaper, Organization Director

Website: MassResistance.org
Email: arthur@massresistance.org
(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc
From: Hannah Willard, Freedom for All Americans <editor@freedomforallamericans.org>

To: Arthur Schaper
Subject: URGENT: In a pandemic, anti-LGBTQ extremists in Idaho attack transgender youth
Bad bill alert in Idaho, Friend:
The first and only anti-transgender student athlete bill to pass this year is
on the Governor’s desk there right now.
That’s right—while many state governments are trying to help people suffering in
this pandemic, Idaho lawmakers are trying to hurt vulnerable youth. The cruelty is
extreme, friend, and really shows just how determined anti-LGBTQ forces are to
hurt our community.
The Governor is skeptical about the bill, so there's a chance he’ll veto. But we’re
not leaving this up to chance: We’re running online ads into Idaho right now,
activating Idahoans to call for his veto. And we’re coordinating local businesses to
call for a veto too.
Idaho’s Governor has until the middle of next week to veto. If you’re able,
and if you’ve already supported those who are suffering in your
community right now, will you chip in $8 to our state campaigns team
ASAP so we can keep the pressure on him?
If he vetoes, it will be a huge victory for our movement. But even then, dozens of
similar bills are still active in legislatures across the country—and legislative
sessions this year could drag on, into the summer or longer.
While some legislatures have gaveled out, or have suspended other work to deal
with the public health crisis, some haven’t. And when the pandemic is contained,
weeks or even months from now, and lawmakers are back at work, anti-LGBTQ
legislation could be at the top of their agenda.
Our state leaders need to focus on what matters—containing the virus,

increasing testing, bolstering the economy, helping families, and ensuring
children are able to learn from home. Not attacking our most vulnerable
youth.
Help us fight anti-transgender legislation, in Idaho and across the

country, for as long as it takes. If you can, chip in $8 to our state
campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
Senior Director of Campaigns
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 6:26 AM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports-
protecting biological males from competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to
possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the
governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:18 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to
continue expressing public support!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:20 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that
he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:58 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred,
I've wrestled with whether or not I should bite my tongue or in a military-style "after actions review" kinda way, I should
chime in with how I saw things play out.
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also
saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and you knew that was coming going into the
fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still
trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they
could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even
though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like
those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the
help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your
platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning,
and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation
of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such
as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but
we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or because of the
medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in
regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant
me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and
framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just hope they come at it differently.
I'm legally back to James now, so it's time to put Jamie to rest, forever. Jamie was a failed medical and psychiatric
experiment, nothing more.
Blessings,
James
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM EDT, Dr. Fred Deutsch < drfred@deutschclinic.com> wrote:
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I
continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs more state legislators like you. – Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt
Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van
Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national pressure to veto. Any
support that can be communicated is helpful: governor@gov.idaho.gov
Here is a link to my Facebook page where I posted my comments, as I provided them to CNN, along with a link to their 'news coverage' of
H509. https://www.facebook.com/YoungForIdahoHouse/
Julianne Young

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and
passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30 on the Senate third reading
calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It
could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has
been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they are not
moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about
adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the


I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday
(after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my
scribbles). Your criticism and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:44 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>

wrote:
I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for
H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear
it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think
about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let
you know as soon as I have more information.

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Kelsey

Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
wrote:
Although we all know this whole thing is

ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have
to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think
sometimes people can see this issue
more clearly when we can personalize the
issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a

daughter. One day your daughter could
decide without your involvement to change
her birth certificate. This legal document
would now say that you gave birth to a
son. You have zero say. This document is
a lie about your personal life and your
health history and is happening to KC
parents in many
states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/r
esources/id/state-by-state-overview-
changing-gender-markers-on-birth-
certificates
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM James

Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
As these bills are advanced,
I think it's important to do at
least some education on the
history of gender identity,
even if just briefly, because I
don't believe there are very
many lawmakers that are
actually knowledgeable on
the topic. No doubt many of
them will find it disturbing to
learn they're older than the
quack theories behind the
whole sham.
James
On Saturday, February 22,

2020, 02:48:38 PM EST,
Michelle Cretella
wrote:
But it is even worse than

any other example in history
in the sense that the State
is forcing people to
participate in a lie akin to
2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE
should have to appeal to
their "Freedom of
Religion/Conscience" to
stand up against 2+2=5 / a
man is NOT a woman! If this
is not the definition of
insane I don't know what is!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at
2:14 PM Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrig
hts.org> wrote:
> Excellent point Dr. C.
That is one of the
arguments we are making
regarding the school
affirmation policies, i.e., the
state is compelling students
to utter a false statement,
which violates free speech
and free exercise rights (or
rights of conscience
generally). That's underlying
pronoun policies and privacy
facilities use policies
requiring children to affirm
classmates are girls when
they are boys.
>
> Child & Parental Rights
Campaign
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
mmcalister@childparentrigh
ts.org
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020,
1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition
<kelseycoalition@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>> Just to expand a bit on
the parent argument...it not
simply the state being
complicit in a legal fiction
(that a girl was actually born
a boy), but it is the state
compelling an unwilling
party to party to that legal
fiction...parents whose legal
records state they gave birth
to a son when they really
gave birth to a daughter.
>>
>> Haven't had a chance to
watch the hearing, but was
this argument part of the
testimony?
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>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at
11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition
m> wrote:
>>> Thank you, Julianne.
Have you considered the
argument from the parent
perspective? When birth
certificates are changed,
they create a legal fiction
involving unwilling parents:
That a mother who gave
birth to a daughter gave birth
to a son, and vice versa. As
recently as last month, a
mother wrote to us
expressing absolute shock
that her young adult
daughter can change her
birth certificate without her
permission. As she stated,
she and her husband do not
want their names connected
to a "blatant lie."
>>>
>>> FYI, to encourage
people to write to Idaho
House members, I tweeted
out a link to the bill and the
House Members' emails
here:
>>>
https://twitter.com/Coalition
Kelsey/status/12312468021
89475842?s=20
>>>
>>> If any of you are on
twitter, please retweet.
Thank you! -K
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
at 9:42 AM Julianne Young
<juliannehyoung@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>>>> The House State
Affairs committee sent our
bill to the floor on a party
line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> We had some great
testimony (in opposition)
from the National
Organization of Women
representative, Janelle
Winterstein. Janelle
opposed the bill, suggesting
that it is uncharacteristic of
the acceptance and
kindness she has felt from
Idahoans, including many of
the more conservative
members of the state affairs
committee. It seems that
this testimony would be a
great benefit should a court
be seeking evidence that
this bill is motivated by
animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest
opposition came from the
Lambda Legal Attorney who
represented the plaintiffs in
F.V. v Barron (a very tall
woman if you're skimming
the video looking for her
testimony). She countered
some of my statements
which suggested that this
issue has not been robustly
examined based on it's
impacts on public policy
and the state generally
because the state conceded
everything and the
arguments make (based on
the West Law minutes)
addressed only the interests
of the agency and not the
public at large. She argued
that everything I brought up
had already been heard and
considered by the court and
that they have already
decided this issue. By
passing this bill, we are
placing the DHW in a
position to be found in
contempt of court. This
argument, coupled with the
court costs may sway
moderate republicans in the
House and could stop the
bill in the Senate if we don't
have a strong counter-
argument on the House
floor. It could be up for
debate on the floor as soon
as next Tuesday and must
be transmitted to the
Senate by the end of the
week.
>>>>
>>>> The video of the
hearing is available
here: https://legislature.idah
o.gov/sessioninfo/2020/stan
dingcommittees/HSTA/ . It
does take awhile to open. It
was about a 2 hour hearing.
There was a very short bill
right before mine but it only
took a couple of minutes.
>>>>
>>>> Counter arguments I
am considering include:
>>>>
>>>> The proposed statute
complies with the
requirement of the injunction
in that the statute does not
automatically reject
applications to amend this
category of material facts,
but establishes a process
by which those applications
may be reviewed and
considered. This process
protects the interest of the
state in ensuring the
accuracy of material
statistics.
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects
the argument that biological
sex is gender
identity. Courts are
required to observe the
definitions established in the
law. The legislative branch,
including on the federal
level, has consistently acted
on a biological definition of
sex. Yet, this court relied
upon the conflation of sex
and gender identity in
issuing their ruling. The
conflation of these terms in
the law severely undermines
the compelling interest of
the state and jeopardizes
the health and safety of all
Idahoans. Sex specific
policies have been upheld
by the courts for decades
specifically because of the
material distinctions
between male and female,
statistically speaking. If we
accept the premise that
these distinctions are
irrelevant, that sex is gender
identity irrespective of
biological fact, we must also
find that all sex-based
distinctions are
discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>> I would sincerely
appreciate legal feedback
and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020
m> wrote:
>>>>> The Idaho Vital
Statistics Act will be heard
tomorrow morning in State
Affairs. Our meetings are
usually at 9 but I won't be
surprised if we start at 8
AM. It will be available live
online or recorded if any are
interested in listening. We
may get some ideas that
will help as we head to the
Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12,
2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone have
a contact in the research
and statistics world or
someone in the insurance
industry (medical or car)
that could provide a
statement explaining the
value of accurate information
regarding biological sex as
a qualifying characteristic
for sex specific differences
in policies, etc? These are
research based private
policies. When we
fundamentally alter the legal
definition of sex we undercut
their ability to effectively
implement those research-
based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11,
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding
Senator Steve Vick to this
email group. He will be
carrying the bill on the
Senate side. We are on the
agenda to print the bill in
House State Affairs on
Thursday and are working
toward a full hearing a week
from Wednesday.
Welcome Senator Vick!
We are glad to have you on
board!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10,
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>> And one last
document-- This is an op-
ed/ press statement if it
passes muster:
https://docs.google.com/do
cument/d/1Z8k-zehU6_j9JN-
iHbG5-
NV1LeQrlddM3Cryl_LXzFw/
edit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Feel free to
comment on it and mark it
up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thank you all
so much for your help and
input. Here is an outline of
talking points. Please
weigh in and share
cautions, resources, or
additional ideas. Our full
hearing will be a week from
Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
cument/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTq
J8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQ
WRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 8:12 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached
below is the draft which we
RS'd on Friday. The Lord is
blessing our efforts! We
anticipate a print hearing in
House State Affairs this
Wednesday and a full
hearing towards the
beginning of next week. I
am working on talking
points and a press release.
We need to keep our
messaging very controlled.
Also, I would welcome input
on plans for public
testimony at the hearing. I
am working on some drafts
which I will post ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julianne
Young
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb
7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any last
comments are invited. We'll
RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And one
more small change from our
attorney general in 39-245A
(1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with
one more small change in
(4) as recommended by
ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
able to visit with Matt
Sharpe at ADF about my
previous questions and have
incorporated what I believe
is a much improved strategy
in section (5). I am sending
this final draft [vital statistics
draft(3) attached below] to
you, to ADF , and to our
folks here a vital statistics.
Hopefully we are near or at
our final draft so that we can
work on securing support
from the governor's office.
Leadership appears to be
supportive so I have good
reason to hope we will soon
have a hearing. Thank you
again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19
PM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
regard to the last question:
a colleague who is an
attorney suggested that a
better approach may be to
stipulate that the physician
make a presumptive
determination of male or
female and that after
undergoing the
appropriate combination of
genetic analysis and
evaluation of the individual's
naturally occurring internal
and external
reproductive anatomy a
signed affidavit from the
parents and the physician
may be submitted within 3
years or the presumptive
determination may be
challenged in a court as
stipulated in (4). This
eliminates the potential for
an open-ended
indeterminate status.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
apologies if this is
redundant. I have tried to
'reply all' in order to share
this with the larger group but
I'm not sure that it worked.
If you could ensure that the
larger group has access to
this request I would
appreciate it. Thanks so
much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our
vital statistics folks in the
Department of Health and
Welfare have raised some
questions which we have
attempted to address in the
attached draft. Their
comments focused primarily
on 39-245A (4) and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
wanted to ensure that the
language stipulated that the
affidavit be one provided by
the department and asked
that we make some
changes in formatting to
make the process more
clear to the public. I believe
the changes to (4) are
straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
raised some good questions
regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-
Our current language does
not require verification from
a medical professional that
the appropriate
chromosomal analysis and
evaluation of anatomy has
taken place and that the
decision of sex is
appropriate based on that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-
Our language is silent about
what happens if they don't
resolve the indeterminate
status within the three
years. Do we need to
specify that it can be
resoled in court after this?
Do we need to specify any
requirements should that be
the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
drafter and I took a stab at it
in the attached draft. Again,
feedback is appreciated.
Thank you to those who are
providing review on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did
you receive the email I
attempted to add as 'reply
to all' with the questions
raised by our Department of
Health and Welfare vital
statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41
AM Richard Mast
<RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The comment was re SEGM
language; I second the
motion to stay away from
“separate but equal.”
“Differential treatment” is
fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m> Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 12:05
PMTo: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>Subject:
Re: Idaho Vital Statistics
Integrity Act - short window
for comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Richard-- just to be
clear is your comment in
regard to the question about
the language from SEGM or
the 'differential treatment'
language? Or both? Gmail
makes it hard to know
which thing is in response
to what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at
9:52 AM Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday, February
5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital
Statistics Integrity Act -
short window for comments
- by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Will did respond with the
following suggestion that we
incorporate a summary
rather than a quote as
follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The society of evidence-
based gender medicine has
declared that the conflation
of sex and gender in health
care is alarming, subjects
hundreds of thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
of* unintended medical
harm, and will greatly
impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
However, I'm not sure
addresses your fundamental
concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I agree with removing the
SEGM quote from the
findings. I do not know if the
Society for Evidenced
Based Gender Medicine is
on our side, to where the
quote can be changed, or
not. If they testify, and are
on our side, I would be very
wary of them saying
anything regarding TG, CG
or “non-binary,” and perhaps
have a conversation with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I would not want to see
anyone on our side
intentionally put those terms
into the record. Using them
surrenders the language.
Language frames the
debate. If the other side’s
language frames the debate,
we lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 4,
2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Cc: Kelsey Coalition
m>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com
>; Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>; Steve
Smith
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com
>; Fred Deutsch
<drfred@deutschclinic.com
>; Mary McAlister
hts.org>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.co
m>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>;
Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>;
Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com
>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>
; James Shupe (Formerly
Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>;
mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane
Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>;
Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurg
ery.com>; MD Paul Hruz
PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>;
Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud
.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>;
Monique Robles MD
; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>;
Roger Brooks
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>;
Timothy Millea MD
<TMillea@qcora.com>;
Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights
.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>;
William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Based on the feedback I will
not include the quote from
SEGM in the bill, amending
(v) on page 2, line 46-47 to
simply state that the
erasure of biological sex
negatively impacts the
health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other
evidence can be introduced
in the hearing, rather than
being included in the bill.
Also, I got some feedback
from our vital statistics
department today which I
have incorporated in the
process piece of the bill
(sections 4 and 5) and they
suggested using 'material
fact' rather than vital
statistics in most
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They have raised 2 other
good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
1) In section 5, do we not
want a medical authority to
certify to the final
designation of sex? If so,
do we want to limit this to a
particular type of medical
authority?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2) The draft you have
reviewed is silent on what
happens if they do not
status within the stipulated
3 years (section 5). We
included this to prevent
certificates from being left in
an unresolved status.
However, kicking it to the
courts after this time could
become problematic. What
are the recommendations to
resolve this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am attaching the current
(final) draft :) for your
comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Thank you for your help in
ironing out these final
wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Humans are the only living
species of Homo Sapiens.
Given that fact, we are male
and female, there is no
other. We are mammals,
giving birth, carrying a XX or
an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre
abnormality results in a
state of disease: Turner’s
Syndrome, Klinefelter’s
Syndrome, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Everybody is transgender,
no one is transsexual, cis-
gender is true for everyone!
Try not to use the
nomenclature of non-
science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Non-binary?!?!?
Disneyland comes to
science. You are non-
binary, then what? A
worm? A worker bee? A
penguin in a European
zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Listen: Talk to me! Be
real! Stop! No, no, you
meant to say that you are
claiming something that
does not exist except in
your mind? Got it? Your
mind? Take a look, please.
See? Right! You are a
male or female so stop with
the rigamarole and talk to
me now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Throw out words or
phrases that have have
shifting definitions, political
realms, identity's
unscientific, and whims and
notions that are NEVER
studied in science. Never!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
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> I feel better.
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44
AM, Kelsey Coalition
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Looks great! My only
concern is with the quote
from SEGM. Will, would you
consider this? First, the
reference"cisgender-
identifying individuals." I
believe there is way to make
this point, without using a
word like "cis" which
indirectly endorses the
ideology upon which
transgender identities are
based.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> My other suggestion
with the quote is to add non-
binary. Even though
transgender has become an
umbrella term covering both,
some nonbinary individuals
do not say they are
transgender. Many forms
offer both categories for
people to check when they
identify themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Will, could SEGM
consider rewording this --
something like "not only
transgender individuals, but
ALL persons" as well as
add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at
10:35 AM Natasha Chart
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> This is great, I love it.
Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020,
9:43 AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> After visiting with
Stephen Smith last night I
have determined that the
best way to counter the
arguments raised in the law-
suit is the insert some
additional language into our
legislative intent, rather than
addressing another section
of code. My additions are
highlighted below. Your
feedback is sincerely
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The legislature finds
a compelling interest in
maintaining accurate,
quantitative, biology-based
statistics on Idaho
certificates of birth which
provide vital statistics
fundamental to the
performance of government
functions that secure the
public health and safety,
including, but not limited to,
identifying public health
trends, assessing risks,
conducting criminal
investigations, and helping
individuals determine their
biological lineage,
citizenship, or susceptibility
to genetic disorders; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The equality clause
prohibits purposeful
discrimination and not
facially neutral laws of
general applicability such as
a biology-based definition of
sex which has been
consistently applied since
our nation's founding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Decades of court
opinion have upheld the
argument that the biological
distinctions between male
and female justify separate
but equal treatment under
the law and a defined
category of sex which relies
on biological fact is the only
category which can be
demonstrated to have
obvious, immutable, and
distinguishable
characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The definitional
significantly impacts the
rights of others and would
constitute manifest injustice
in undermining the
implementation of many
policies which have been
advanced to secure the
privacy and interests of
individuals specific to their
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The erasure of
biological sex negatively
impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. For
example, the Society for
Evidence-Based Gender
Medicine has declared that
“the conflation of sex and
gender in healthcare is
alarming and is poised to
subject hundreds of
thousands of transgender
and cisgender-identifying
individuals to unintended
medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and
being subjected to incorrect
treatments. It will also
greatly impede scientific
research, not only in the
area of transgender
treatments, which sorely
lacks quality long-term
outcome evidence, but also
in other areas of medical
research.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> “Vital statistics” is
defined in Idaho Code
Section 39-241(21) as
“data,” (being the plural of
“datum”) which is a known
fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Idaho certificates of
birth are of an evidentiary
character and prima facie
evidence of the facts recited
therein (Code Section 39-
274); and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Age and Sex, unlike
the names of natural
parents whose rights have
been terminated, are legally
applicable facts fundamental
to the performance of public
and private policies and
contracts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The failure to
maintain accurate,
quantitative vital statistics
and legal definitions upon
which government and
others may with confidence
rely constitutes a breach of
the public trust; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Government has a
compelling interest in
maintaining the public trust
and confidence and a duty
to fulfill, to the best of its
ability, those functions
which rely on accurate vital
statistics; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Therefore, the
legislature directs that an
Idaho certificate of birth
documents specific
quantitative, material facts
at the time of birth: time of
birth, date of birth, place of
birth and biological sex.
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attorney, and Idaho
Representative Julianne
Young. They have been
working on a birth certificate
protection bill, to reverse a
recent court decision
striking down sex-based
birth certificates in Idaho.
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Cc: "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Eunie Smith"
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>,
"Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michael
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks"
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What the NYTimes and other such outlets does to anyone who backs down under pressure:
"Navratilova later backed away from that view."
"Athletes like the Olympic marathon runner Paula Radcliffe and the tennis star Martina Navratilova have contended that athletes with higher
natural levels of testosterone are able to outperform their competitors, especially in some track and field events and in weight lifting
competitions. Navratilova later backed away from that view."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/sports/transgender-idaho-ban-sports.html
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, 08:12:55 PM EDT, Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you all did a good thing for women and girls, so thanks again!
Also, there’s a Christian Post story out about this, in case anyone wants an article to share that uses materially accurate terms:
https://www.christianpost.com/news/idaho-first-state-to-ban-sex-change-on-birth-records-males-in-womens-sports.html
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:20 AM Senator Steve Vick <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov> wrote:
I have not met many on this list but I want to say that Representative Young is a true warrior and good legislator and it was a pleasure and an honor to work with her on this important piece of legislation.
Sincerely,
Senator Steve Vick

Assistant Majority Leader
Idaho State Senate

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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb
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Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Senator Steve Vick <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Dear Friends,

Julianne Young
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:27 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

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On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 6:26 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from
competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed
before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:18 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:20 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As
of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign"
to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider
that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing
it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got
them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you
weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on
females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker
rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've
changed sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in
regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I
made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful.
I just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs
more state legislators like you. – Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.

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Julianne Young

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill
number 30 on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or,
perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and
they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support
of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.



I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's
time to think about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when
we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that
you gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal
to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement,
which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to
affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an
unwilling party to party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling
parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her
young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for
her testimony). She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state
generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at
large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are
placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the
bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the
Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour
hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts,
but establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material
statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch,
including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling.
The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies
have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that
these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be
available live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the
value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When
we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on
Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
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hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
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full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome
input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we
can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for
your help!
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determination of male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and
external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a
court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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that the larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
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resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
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the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>;
Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James
Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert
Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of
biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I
got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact'
rather than vital statistics in most instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of
medical authority?
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included this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth,
carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An
ant? “I am Zero!”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it?
Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
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From: Kelsey Coalition
Sent: 2/4/2020 7:44:16 AM
To: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>
Cc: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>,
"Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "David Pickup"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>,
"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>,
"mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott,
Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like
"cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term
covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for
people to check when they identify themselves.
Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as
well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government
functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological
lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our nation's
founding.
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on
biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure
the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in
healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being
subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other
areas of medical research.”
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies and contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public trust; and
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down
sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and
Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
organization.
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Sent: 2/4/2020 7:56:26 AM
To: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>
mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD
Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
I agree that adopting use of cis-gender only validates transgender as a healthy variant which it is clearly not.
Quentin
On February 4, 2020 at 10:44 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word
covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories
for people to check when they identify themselves.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental
to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting
criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined
category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies
which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that
â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to
unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the
area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
â€œVital statisticsâ€ is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as â€œdata,â€ (being the plural of â€œdatumâ€) which is a known fact; and,
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies
and contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public
trust; and
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital
statistics; and,
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth
and biological sex.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast < RMast@lc.org> wrote:
All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill,
to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open
it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,
Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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"Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
"Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott,
Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We
are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a
state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature
of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in
a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist
except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with
the rigamarole and talk to me now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims
and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather
than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of
government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our
nation's founding.
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which
relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been
advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex
and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-
term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision
striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and
Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for
Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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Sent: 2/4/2020 6:40:18 PM
To: "Bernard Hudson" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>,
Attachments: Vital Statistics final draft (2).pdf
Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to
simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then,
any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some
feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill
(sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want
to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the
stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status.
However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve
this?


Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other.
We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in
a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature
of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin
in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist
except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop
with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and
whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH
reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather
than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of
government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our
nation's founding.
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which
relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex
and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality
long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision
striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and
Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for
Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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From: Scott, Greg
Sent: 2/5/2020 7:45:32 AM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
Cc: "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>,
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition"
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
Subject: RE: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
Allâ€”
I would strongly recommend that the phrase â€œseparate but equalâ€ not appear anywhere in any public or legislative documents.
My recommended alternative language:
â€œbiological distinctions between male and female are a matter of scientific fact and biological sex is an objectively defined category which has obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristicsâ€
Or something similar.
Although it doesnâ€™t appear here, I would also say for future reference that we shouldnâ€™t use the phrase â€œsex-segregatedâ€ when referring to spaces dedicated to one sex or the other. â€œSex
specificâ€ usually works.
I donâ€™t think I need to outline the reasons that we should avoid the above phrases.
Thanks for all your work on this crucial issues!

--Greg

Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 10:14 AM
To: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn
Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>;
mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>;
Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
This is excellent, Julianne. I've no edits!

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing
another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage,
citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our nation's founding.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure the
privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender
in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being
subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other
areas of medical research.â€

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The Department of Health and Welfare brought some suggestions yesterday. The suggested the use of the term
'material fact' rather than 'vital statistic' in several places.
Also, they raised some good questions regarding sections 39-245A (4) and (5). The drafter and I tried to address
their comments in the attached draft as follows:
• additional language clarifying that the affidavit will be on a form prescribed by the registrar
• simplifies the format so that requirements are clear
• In section (5) they raised a legitimate point that, unlike (4) no medical authority was required to verify the
action
• The language was silent about what happens if they fail to come back withing the 3 years. We added some language
indicating that this could be addressed by the court but it's not very tight. Suggestions on these finishing
touches are appreciated.

All,
Steve.
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And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to
you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can
work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to
hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!

In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to
stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing the
external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3
years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the

1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal
analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that



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I think that works.

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I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they
testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames the
debate, we lose.
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1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we
want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?


Gee Whiz!
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does
not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or
I feel better.
BH

Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but
ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC


performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
contracts.
and
statistics; and,
biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a
recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to
reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all
for any input for Julianne and Steve.
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And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below]
to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we
can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good
reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!


1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate
chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based
on that analysis and evaluation.



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I think that works.

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I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames
the debate, we lose.

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1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do
we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are

Gee Whiz!
I feel better.
BH


The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to
the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
contracts.
trust; and
statistics; and,
biological sex.

All,
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all
Thanks,

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Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:



to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we
can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good


They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and
asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the
changes to (4) are straightforward.
chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based
on that analysis and evaluation.
years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any



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'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to
what.

I think that works.

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I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames

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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-
47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in
the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital


Gee Whiz!
I feel better.
BH



The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to
the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to
and contracts.
trust; and
statistics; and,
biological sex.

All,
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you
Thanks,

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Dear Friends,
Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a print
hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working
on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input
on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
Julianne Young
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:



to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that
we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good


My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group
but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would
chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate
based on that analysis and evaluation.



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Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or
the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to
what.

I think that works.

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I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language
frames the debate, we lose.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

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<hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD
<TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-
47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in
the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than
vital statistics in most instances.


Gee Whiz!
not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male
or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First,
the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point,
umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many
forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.


to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
“the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to
and contracts.
trust; and
statistics; and,
biological sex.

All,
recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates
to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-0770 fax
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Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share
cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,
on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome
Julianne Young



I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is
a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached
below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft
so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I


but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to
those who are providing review on this!



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what.

I think that works.

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Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote as
follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in
health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk


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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line
46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in
the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated
in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so,
do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in
an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What
are the recommendations to resolve this?


Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is
no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee?
A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that
does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a
male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
I feel better.
BH



to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting
criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the
public trust; and
statistics; and,
and biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse
a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to
you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

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PO Box 540774
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(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "David Pickup"
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Great stuff!
On February 10, 2020 at 6:31 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate
a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next
week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very
controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working
on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
Julianne Young
On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions
and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in
section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital
statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can
work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears
to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a
hearing. Thank you again for your help!
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <

juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney
suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the
physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and
that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic
analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally
occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed
affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted
within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged
in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply
all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm
not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the
larger group has access to this request I would appreciate
it. Thanks so much.
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and

Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted
to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused
primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that

the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked
that we make some changes in formatting to make the
process more clear to the public. I believe the changes
to (4) are straightforward.
1- Our current language does not require verification from

a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal
analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and
that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't

resolve the indeterminate status within the three years.
Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court
after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should
that be the case?
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached

draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young <

Did you receive the email I attempted to add as
'reply to all' with the questions raised by our
Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics
folks?
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast <

RMast@lc.org> wrote:
The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from
â€œseparate but equal.â€ â€œDifferential treatmentâ€ is fine.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments -
by Friday, January 24
Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your

comment in regard to the question about the
language from SEGM or the 'differential
treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes
it hard to know which thing is in response
to what.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast

I think that works.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

comments - by Friday, January 24
Will did respond with the following

suggestion that we incorporate a
summary rather than a quote as
follows:
The society of evidence-based

gender medicine has declared
that the conflation of sex
and gender in health care is
alarming, subjects hundreds
of thousands of individuals
*to the risk
of* unintended medical harm,
and will greatly impede
medical research.
However, I'm not sure addresses your

fundamental concern.
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM

Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the
findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced
Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the
quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are
on our side, I would be very wary of them saying
anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and
perhaps have a conversation with them to that
effect.
I would not want to see anyone on our side

intentionally put those terms into the record. Using
them surrenders the language. Language frames the
debate. If the other sideâ€™s language frames the
debate, we lose.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

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<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly
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<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short
window for comments - by Friday, January 24

simply state that the erasure
of biological sex negatively
impacts the health and safety
of all individuals. Then,
any other evidence can be
introduced in the hearing,
rather than being included in
the bill. Also, I got some
feedback from our vital
statistics department today
which I have incorporated in
the process piece of the bill
statistics in most
instances.
They have raised 2 other good

questions:
authority?

certificates from being left
in an unresolved status.
become problematic. What are
the recommendations to
resolve this?

comment.
wrinkles.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
<loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only

living species of Homo
Sapiens. Given that
fact, we are male and
female, there is no
other. We are
mammals, giving birth,
carrying a XX or an
XY, female or male.
abnormality results in
a state of disease:
Turnerâ€™s Syndrome,
Klinefelterâ€™s
Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is
transgender, no one is
transsexual, cis-
gender is true for
everyone! Try not to
use the nomenclature
of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!?
Disneyland comes to
worm? A worker bee?
A penguin in a
European zoo? An ant?
â€œI am Zero!â€
Listen: Talk to me!

Be real! Stop! No,
no, you meant to say
that you are claiming
something that does
not exist except in
your mind? Got it?
Your mind? Take a
look, please. See?
Right! You are a male
or female so stop with
the rigamarole and
talk to me now!
Throw out words or

shifting definitions,
political realms,
identity's
unscientific, and
whims and notions that
are NEVER studied in
science. Never!
I feel better.
BH
On Feb 4, 2020, at
9:44 AM, Kelsey
Coalition
<kelseycoalition@gmail
.com> wrote:
Looks great!
My only
concern is
with the quote
from SEGM.
Will, would
you consider
this? First,
the
reference"cisg
ender-
identifying
individuals."
I believe
there is way
to make this
point,
without using
a word like
"cis" which
indirectly
endorses the
ideology upon
which
transgender
identities are
based.
My other
suggestion
with the quote
is to add non-
binary. Even
though
transgender
has become an
umbrella term
covering both,
some nonbinary
individuals do
not say they
are
transgender.
Many forms
offer both
categories for
people to
check when
they identify
themselves.
Will, could
SEGM consider
rewording this
-- something
like "not only
transgender
individuals,
but ALL
persons" as
well as add a
reference to
nonbinary?
~KC
On Tue, Feb 4,
2020 at 10:35
AM Natasha
Chart
<natasha.chart
@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is
great,
I love
it.
Thank
you for
doing
this.
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2020,
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Cc:
And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Friends,
Julianne Young



I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is
a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached

appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal
and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted
within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This
eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.

but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I
would appreciate it. Thanks so much.

Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our Department
of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?


Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

what.

I think that works.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

follows:

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If
they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material
fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.


Gee Whiz!
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee?
A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a
male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
I feel better.
BH

Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals,

After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics
fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks,
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many
unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in
the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
public trust; and
statistics; and,
and biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to
reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to
you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
prohibited. Email cannot be guaranteed secure or error-free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions.
Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the organization.
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Sent: 2/11/2020 5:05:41 PM
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>,
Cc:
Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the
agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
Julianne Young



I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe
is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached

appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal
and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted

but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I



Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response
to what.

I think that works.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
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follows:


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the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have


Gee Whiz!
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker
bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are
I feel better.
BH



The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared
that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying
individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific
research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”
public trust; and
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of
All,
reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up
to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

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Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or
car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a
On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on
the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am
Julianne Young



is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our
final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be
supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!

stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing
the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally
occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician
may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated
in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger
group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this
request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the
three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any



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Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM
or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in
response to what.

I think that works.
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46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of
all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included
in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate
status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being
left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become
problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?

Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there
is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a
bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this?
First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this
point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which
transgender identities are based.


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language
into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
public trust; and

All,
Thanks,

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The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I
won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are interested in


Hello all,
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
Julianne Young



is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our
final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be

may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated

Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we
have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department
and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe
the changes to (4) are straightforward.
three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any

Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our


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I think that works.

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I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not.
If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s
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46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of
all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being
included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I
have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using
'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If
so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being
left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become

Gee Whiz!
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use
the nomenclature of non-science.
does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You
are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
I feel better.
BH

My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become
an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender.
Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.


fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on
accurate vital statistics; and,

All,
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it
up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
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Orlando, FL 32854
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The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass recommendation.
We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle
animus.
Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very
tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of my statements which
The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/

. It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but
it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
Counter arguments I am considering include:
The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically
The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the
jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for
decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we
accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological
I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
Julianne Young

The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but
I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are interested in


Hello all,
Julianne Young


Dear Friends,
welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post
ASAP.
Julianne Young



I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I
believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics
draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near
or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership
appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for
your help!

may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as

have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and
(5).
and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I
chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is
three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify
any requirements should that be the case?



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response to what.
I think that works.

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I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or
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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2,
line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than
being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today
which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested
using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from
being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become

Gee Whiz!
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something
that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right!
You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
I feel better.
BH

Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender
individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC


The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has
declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede
scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical
research.”
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and
private policies and contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place
of birth and biological sex.

All,
reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it
up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
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LC.org
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Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are
FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House Members'
emails here:
https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

animus.
Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a
argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be
transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/

. It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but
on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in
we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of
biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
Julianne Young



Hello all,
Julianne Young


Dear Friends,
welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post
ASAP.
Julianne Young



your help!

occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the
physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court
as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.

(5).
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you
to those who are providing review on this!



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I think that works.

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follows:


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Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
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Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>


Gee Whiz!
I feel better.
BH

First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make
this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon
which transgender identities are based.


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has
been consistently applied since our nation's founding.
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and
a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of
many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede
research.”
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach
of the public trust; and
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place
of birth and biological sex.

All,
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open
it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
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Orlando, FL 32854
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organization.
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:

emails here:

animus.
very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of my statements
which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the
state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes)
addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up
had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this
bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the
court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a
strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and
must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
The video of the hearing is available

reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by which those
applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the
accuracy of material statistics.
definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has consistently
state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the
courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically
speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity
Julianne Young


Hello all,
the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a
print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I
am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I
would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will
post ASAP.
Julianne Young




draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are
near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office.
Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you
In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be
to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after
undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally

(5).



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Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from
SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is
in response to what.

I think that works.

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follows:


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Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female,
there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s
Syndrome, etc.
I feel better.
BH

My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are
transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify
themselves.

Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law
and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly
impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas
of medical research.”
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach
of the public trust; and
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth,
place of birth and biological sex.

All,
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
organization.
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"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Katherineâ€™s point gets at the heart of what transgenderism is really about: State tyranny.
Thereâ€™s no medical test to diagnose transgender because no one is born in the wrong body; no one is born
transgender. It is a lie. And we are talking about the State forcing ALL citizens to participate in that lie.
Sent from my iPhone
ï»¿
Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
(that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that
legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a
daughter.

Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates
are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a
daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing
absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she
stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House

The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and
kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs
committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that
this bill is motivated by animus.
Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v
Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of
my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on
public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based
on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She
argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have
already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in
contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House
and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It
could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the
end of the week.

here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to
open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a
couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by
which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state
in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to
observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level,
has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of
sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely
undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans.
Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material
distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these
distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find
that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
Julianne Young
The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually
at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any
are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.

Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry
(medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding
biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are
research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut
their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.

Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side.
We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full
hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
Julianne Young


Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in
and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.

Dear Friends,
Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate
a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next
controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working
on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
Julianne Young


I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what
I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital
statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics.
Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the
governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon
have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!

In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach
may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and
that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the
individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit
from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive
determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the
larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions
which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on
39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to
the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision
of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated.
Thank you to those who are providing review on this!


The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from â€œseparate but equal.â€ â€œDifferential treatmentâ€ is fine.

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Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language
from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know
which thing is in response to what.

I think that works.

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Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a
quote as follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and
gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the
risk

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can
be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and perhaps have a
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the
other sideâ€™s language frames the debate, we lose.

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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on
page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the
health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the
hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital
statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill
(sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in
most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of

2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the
indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent
certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts
after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?

Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and
female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female
or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s
Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not
to use the nomenclature of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A
worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look,
please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me
now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider
this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is
way to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses
the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender
has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say
they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when
they identify themselves.


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some
additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is
sincerely appreciated.
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide
vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying
public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or
susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment
under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable,
and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender
Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of
transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to
incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality
long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance
of public and private policies and contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth,
date of birth, place of birth and biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate
protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making
Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own,
and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

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Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e.,

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young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband
do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
emails here:

animus.

Julianne Young
The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9
but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are interested
in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.


Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are
on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week.
I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also,
I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I
will post ASAP.
Julianne Young


Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank
you again for your help!


(5).



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I think that works.

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follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed,
or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
effect.

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1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex?
being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could
become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?


Gee Whiz!
Syndrome, etc.
that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See?
Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
I feel better.
BH

themselves.


The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital
statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health
trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders;
and,
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law
and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly
impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection
bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states
that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Thanks,

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Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e.,
the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and free exercise rights
(or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies
requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.

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recommendation.
animus.
had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing
this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with
the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have
a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and

acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity
in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of
the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the
Julianne Young

but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are
interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.

Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical
or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as
a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private

Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are
on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a
week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
Julianne Young


Dear Friends,
print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week.
I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also,
I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I
will post ASAP.
Julianne Young





(5).
department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the
public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.



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I think that works.

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follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed,
or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
effect.

Liberty Counsel
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Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly
Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather
than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department
today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they
suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex?
being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could
become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?


Gee Whiz!
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome,
Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to
that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See?
I feel better.
BH

themselves.


trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic
disorders; and,
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the
law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and
cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also
greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in
other areas of medical research.”
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public

All,
bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four
states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that
1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change
her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This
document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-markers-on-birth-
certificates
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender
identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers that are actually
knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack
theories behind the whole sham.
James
> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies,
i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and free exercise
rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
recommendation.
>>>>
animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron
(a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of my statements
which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by which
those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at
9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are interested
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry
(medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological
sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions
which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo:
Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record.
Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames the debate, we
lose.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>;
Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles
MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott,
Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
January 24
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indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from
being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions
between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which
relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and
distinguishable characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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Sent: 2/22/2020 1:50:38 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>,
"Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "David Pickup"

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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say
that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to
change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You have zero
say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents
in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-
markers-on-birth-certificates
knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the
quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to
participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their "Freedom of
Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation
policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and
free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy
facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
daughter.
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth
certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave
birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us
expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her
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recommendation.
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative,
Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and
committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that
this bill is motivated by animus.
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v
Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some of my
statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public
policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the
West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that
everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already
decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of
court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could
stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up
for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the
week.
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which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in
ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to
observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has
consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and
gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the
compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific
policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions
between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are
irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-
based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are
usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if
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research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their
ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate
side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a
full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
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>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please
weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from
Wednesday.
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>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We
anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of
next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very
controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some
drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated
what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics
your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better
approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that
after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's
naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the
physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with
the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to
this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some
questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-
245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by
the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to
specify any requirements should that be the case?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is
appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised
by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from â€œseparate but
equal.â€ â€œDifferential treatmentâ€ is fine.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05
PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the
language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which
thing is in response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
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and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society
for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they
testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-
binary,â€ and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the
record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other sideâ€™s language
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn
Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
<hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v)
on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being
included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact'
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation
of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
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indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates
from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and
female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s
Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try
not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A
worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
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something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider
this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point,
without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are
based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way
to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative
intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback
is sincerely appreciated.
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identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping
individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral
laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied
since our nation's founding.
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between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex
which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of
others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have
been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
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individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe
conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of
transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect
diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not
only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also
in other areas of medical research.â€
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> â€œVital statisticsâ€ is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as â€œdata,â€
(being the plural of â€œdatumâ€) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie
evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been
terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies and
contracts.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal
definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public
trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and
confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital
statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents
specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and
biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative
Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court
decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho
one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the
medical experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have
accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for
Julianne and Steve.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that
to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, notify us immediately by replying to this message and
deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited.
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Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary
McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "David Pickup"
I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more
confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think about what
we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and
free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy
facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
daughter.
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>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the
House Members' emails here:
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recommendation.
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Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance
and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state
affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking
evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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end of the week.
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distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find
that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>> Julianne Young
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usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if
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research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their
ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> Hello all,
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Wednesday.
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anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning
of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very
controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on
some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have
incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft
[vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics.
Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's
office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing.
Thank you again for your help!
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approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that
after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this
with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has
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questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on
39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate
status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we
need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but
equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
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Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather
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testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-
binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
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record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language frames
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v)
on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being
included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final
designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
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female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome,
etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone!
Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities
are based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many
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to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative
intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback
is sincerely appreciated.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate,
quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics
fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including,
but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations,
and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic
disorders; and,
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laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied
since our nation's founding.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological
distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined
category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have
obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which
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individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation
of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender
and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and
being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the
area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being
the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
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contracts.
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trust; and
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statistics; and,
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specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth
and biological sex.
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decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making
Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and
Tennessee.
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medical experts).
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accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input
for Julianne and Steve.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that
to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
"MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>,
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Attachments: Attorney General Opinion.pdf
I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House)
will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and suggestions are appreciated.
Thanks.


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James

policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech
and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and
privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal
fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party
to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave
birth to a daughter.
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recommendation.
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end of the week.
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distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also
find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded
if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance
industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information
regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc?
These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we
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approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and
that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's
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39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that
the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of
sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other side’s language
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred
Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup
Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane
Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending
(v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health
and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than
being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I
have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male
and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are
claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please.
See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender
has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender.
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to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our
legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below.
Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety,
including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal
investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the
diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research,
not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but
also in other areas of medical research.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,”
(being the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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contracts.
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trust; and
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statistics; and,
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and biological sex.
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Tennessee.
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medical experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input
for Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on
that to Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You have
zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC
parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-
gender-markers-on-birth-certificates
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of
gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many lawmakers that are
actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older
than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party
to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave
birth to a daughter.
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recommendation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V.
v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered some
of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on
contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the
House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House
floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required
to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal
level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the
conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law
severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all
Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the
material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that
these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must
also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Hello all,
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Wednesday.
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naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and
the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions
raised by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020
12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window
for comments - by Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of
sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>;
Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
Friday, January 24
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(v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the
health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather
than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today
which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best
way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our
legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below.
Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially
neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence,
but also in other areas of medical research.”
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terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies
and contracts.
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trust; and
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confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate
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and biological sex.
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Tennessee.
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medical experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I
have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any
input for Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
that to Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Sent: 3/14/2020 6:51:43 AM
Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been
hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they are not moving
business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-
week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting
to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.


will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and suggestions are


Sent from my iPhone

Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to
say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the
issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement
to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You have
zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC
parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-
actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're
older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to
party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they
really gave birth to a daughter.
>>
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>>
certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who
gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote
to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without
her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant
lie."
>>>
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recommendation.
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public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make
(based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large.
She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they
have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found
in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the
>>>>
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which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the
state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward
a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
>>>>>>>
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Wednesday.
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anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the
beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our
messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I
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39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided
by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the
Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not.
If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or
“non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
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certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time
could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you
consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make
this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which
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legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted
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medical experts).
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that to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the
Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30 on the
Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the
coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young




confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think about
what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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issue.
to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You
have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening
to KC parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
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lie."
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recommendation.
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public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make
(based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large.
She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they
have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found
in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the
>>>>
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which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the
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>>>> Julianne Young
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Wednesday.
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messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time
could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?
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and contracts.
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medical experts).
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that to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Sent: 3/19/2020 8:19:17 AM
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national
pressure to veto. Any support that can be communicated is helpful: governor@gov.idaho.gov
Here is a link to my Facebook page where I posted my comments, as I provided them to CNN, along with a link to their
'news coverage' of H509. https://www.facebook.com/YoungForIdahoHouse/
Julianne Young

Julianne Young

business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning
mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be
attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.




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issue.
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
lie."
>>>
>>>
>>>
recommendation.
>>>>
>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women
representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic
of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative
members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a
court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in
F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She
countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on
it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the
arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the
public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the
court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a
position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway
moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong
counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process
by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the
>>>>
conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the
law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of
all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because
of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise
that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we
must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or
recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the
Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
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messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing.
I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>
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office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a
hearing. Thank you again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the
parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be
challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily
on 39-245A (4) and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate
but equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing,
rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department
today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve
the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent
certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this
time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?
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Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for
everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights
of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies
which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their
biological sex.
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conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands
of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific
research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome
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definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the
public trust; and
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Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent
court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo,
making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas,
Ohio, and Tennessee.
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medical experts).
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that to Rep. Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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--
From: Dr. Fred Deutsch
Sent: 3/19/2020 11:32:48 AM
To: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
<RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
"sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
more state legislators like you. â€“ Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.
Julianne Young
perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we
can personalize the issue.
James
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> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
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parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young
adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill
in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate
by the end of the week.
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statistics.
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The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have
been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these
distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available
live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value
of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we
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hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input
on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can
work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your
help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that
the larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting
to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has
taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from â€œseparate but equal.â€ â€œDifferential treatmentâ€ is fine.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and perhaps have a
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debate. If the other sideâ€™s language frames the debate, we lose.
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Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe
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feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a
XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am
Zero!â€
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science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary?
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vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends,
assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
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characteristics.
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Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research,
not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> â€œVital statisticsâ€ is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as â€œdata,â€ (being the plural of â€œdatumâ€) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth,
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protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be guaranteed secure or error-
free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
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Sent: 3/19/2020 12:17:11 PM
To: "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>,
"Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
"Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Matt Sharp"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>,
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Kaycee Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov"
<sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Dear Fred,
Please do not say that the South Dakota effort failed!!
You successfully inspired, encouraged and counseled numerous VCAP efforts around the country. You brought together
the brightest most experienced professions from coast to coast to sacrificially and generously provide numerous
white papers to persuade reticent legislators. You established the ideal witness list that we are all still
following in our individual states. You lead the way with creative media efforts that each of us have tailored to
our individual states and speakers. Your sacrifice of time, energy and resources was the epitome of servant
leadership. Your courage to confront this growing abomination in spite of the attacks has fortified many other
witnesses and legislative sponsors who have been attached knowing that you have gone before us. And, most
importantly you connected us all to each other.
This is just beginning.
Thank you Fred, et. All.

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On Mar 19, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com> wrote:
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused
vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs more state

Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>;
Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane
<hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>;
Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>;
Julianne Young

Julianne Young



Thanks.


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document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many states.
https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-markers-on-birth-certificates
sham.
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
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> 434 610-0873
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here:
https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was
about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most
of the file is our bill.
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qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies.
When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those
research-based policies.
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<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
January 24
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nation's founding.
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characteristics.
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experts).
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Steve.
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Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>
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Attachment:
Sent: 3/19/2020 12:31:14 PM
To: "'Margaret Clarke'" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "'Dr. Fred Deutsch'" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: "'Julianne Young'" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "'Michelle Cretella'" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "'Katherine Cave'"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "'James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)'" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "'Mary McAlister'"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "'Natasha Chart'" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "'Mast Richard'" <RMast@lc.org>,
"'Steve Smith'" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "'David Pickup'" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "'McCaleb Gary'"
<mccgsm@gmail.com>, "'Glenn Ridder'" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "'Horvath Hacsi'" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"'Laidlaw Michael'" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "'Jane Robbins'" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "'Patrick Lappert'"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "'MD Paul Hruz PhD'" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "'Matt Sharp'"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "'McHugh Paul'" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "'Monique Robles MD'" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "'Quentin
Van Meter'" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "'Brooks Roger'" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "'Timothy Millea MD'"
<TMillea@qcora.com>, "'Vernadette Broyles'" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "'Kaycee Heyer'"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "'William Malone'" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "'Scott, Greg'" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>,
Amen and Amen, Margaret.Â

Thanks to one and all and awaiting further marching orders from the good Lord in His timing.
Blessings,
Eunie

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 3:17 PM
To: Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; David
Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; McCaleb Gary <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>;
Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy
Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Kaycee Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg
Dear Fred,

You successfully inspired, encouraged and counseled numerous VCAP efforts around the country. You brought together the brightest most experienced professions from coast to coast to sacrificially and
generously provide numerous white papers to persuade reticent legislators. You established the ideal witness list that we are all still following in our individual states. You lead the way with creative media
efforts that each of us have tailored to our individual states and speakers. Your sacrifice of time, energy and resources was the epitome of servant leadership. Your courage to confront this growing
abomination in spite of the attacks has fortified many other witnesses and legislative sponsors who have been attached knowing that you have gone before us. And, most importantly you connected us all to
each other.


205.879.7096 office
205.587.5166 cell
www.eagleforum.org
CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and all attachments are confidential and may be legally privileged by the attorney-client or work product privileges and are therefore
protected against copying, use, disclosure or distribution. If you are not the intended recipient please immediately notify the sender by reply email, and double delete this message and the reply
from your system.
Julianne Young
Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number
30 on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps,
tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they
are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of
leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.

I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and suggestions
are appreciated. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You
have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-
James
> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and free
exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal
>>
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave
birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her
>>>
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the
acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be
seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments
make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and
that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate
republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short
bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by
which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has
consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the
compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions
between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based
distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any
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regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we
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of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on
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statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office.
Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and
that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and
the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short
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they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>;
Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt
Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the
health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which
I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
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certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this
point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
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the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping
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conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court
decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and
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One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days
still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't
addressed it yet.
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and
you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation.
As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss
them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course,
the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that
was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's
no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being
complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues,
etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

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when they are boys.
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> P.O. Box 637
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party
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mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can
change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that
everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be
found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-
argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these
terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for
decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender
identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in
(4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
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can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If
the other side’s language frames the debate, we lose.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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instances.
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authority?
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this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve
this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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Zero!”
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science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
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has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to
unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which
rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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organization.
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Sent: 3/24/2020 6:18:16 PM
My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st to
act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5
days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he
hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving."
And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed
the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all
be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans
adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech,
pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
Blessings,
James

McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>;
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

Julianne Young




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James

violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates
are girls when they are boys.
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
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that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position
to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong
counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is
gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>> Julianne Young
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>>>>>>> Hello all,
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>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will
be a week from Wednesday.
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>>>>>>>>>>
hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans
for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands
of individuals *to the risk
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can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to
that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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instances.
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authority?
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this?
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XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
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Zero!”
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science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals
do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under
the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes
a breach of the public trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection
bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
organization.
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Thanks for this James! I will post it!
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 7:54 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Julianne,
Men dying far more often the women from Covid-19 and the need to track such health issues can be used as another talking point for your birth cert bill.
Here's why the coronavirus may be killing more men than women. The US should take note
Here's why the coronavirus may be killing
■ more men than women. The US sh...

Katie Polglase, Gianluca Mezzofiore and Max Foster, CNN
Smoking, drinking, general poor health: Researchers say
these are some of the factors that could explain why mor...
Blessings,
James
On Monday, March 23, 2020, 03:21:18 PM EDT, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last
night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and you knew that was coming
going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to
have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having
people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because
we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults
transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being
complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and
it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or
because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting
my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30
bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from competing in women's
sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are
subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they
can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are important
to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young


Fred,
creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons,
the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young





Sent from my iPhone
James

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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That
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to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a
strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback
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Sent: 3/27/2020 10:27:37 AM
Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
hurt our community.

youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE
J

At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only
30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from competing in
women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action.
These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the
31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are
important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young

My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st
to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!

Fred,
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young





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Sent: 3/30/2020 4:26:36 PM
Dear Friends,
I cannot thank you enough for your help and support! It is official-- Governor Little signed both H500 and H509
today! Many tears and prayers of gratitude! The fight goes on!

Julianne Young

Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
hurt our community.

youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE

31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these
are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young


days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night
Fred,
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to
pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if
you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it
because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them
young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't
against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By
condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless
shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed
sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in regard to how
they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult
with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I
just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young
tomorrow.
Julianne Young





Sent from my iPhone
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you
gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
James
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because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She
argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW
in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we
don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the
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including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The
conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been
upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions
are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends,
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and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
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by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be guaranteed secure or error-
free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent
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Sent: 3/30/2020 4:29:03 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Kelsey
Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup"
Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Congratulations!
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On Mar 30, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
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Dear Friends,
I cannot thank you enough for your help and support! It is official-- Governor Little signed both H500 and
H509 today! Many tears and prayers of gratitude! The fight goes on!

Julianne Young

Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
on the Governorâ€™s desk there right now.
Thatâ€™s rightâ€”while many state governments are trying to help people

suffering in this pandemic, Idaho lawmakers are trying to hurt vulnerable youth.
The cruelty is extreme, friend, and really shows just how determined anti-LGBTQ
forces are to hurt our community.
The Governor is skeptical about the bill, so there's a chance heâ€™ll veto. But
weâ€™re not leaving this up to chance: Weâ€™re running online ads into Idaho
right now, activating Idahoans to call for his veto. And weâ€™re coordinating local
businesses to call for a veto too.
Idahoâ€™s Governor has until the middle of next week to veto. If

youâ€™re able, and if youâ€™ve already supported those who are
suffering in your community right now, will you chip in $8 to our state
campaigns team ASAP so we can keep the pressure on him?
similar bills are still active in legislatures across the countryâ€”and legislative
with the public health crisis, some havenâ€™t. And when the pandemic is
contained, weeks or even months from now, and lawmakers are back at work,
anti-LGBTQ legislation could be at the top of their agenda.
Our state leaders need to focus on what mattersâ€”containing the virus,

youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE
J
J

At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there
are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from
competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left
without action. These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been
vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue
letting the governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young

My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until
the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned,
the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to
be expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved.
You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't
do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and
without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct
me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that
approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in
female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in
that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
changed sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their
bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom
because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be
successful. I just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America
needs more state legislators like you. â€“ Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.

<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>;
Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national pressure to veto. Any support that can be communicated is
helpful: governor@gov.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now
about bill number 30 on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills
move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several
days and they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We
have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.


I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism
and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to
hope. It's time to think about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more
clearly when we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now
say that you gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very
many lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the
whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have
to appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false
statement, which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state
compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
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>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving
unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute
shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to
a "blatant lie."
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting
that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee.
It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video
looking for her testimony). She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public
policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the
agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this
issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate
republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as
soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a
2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of
material facts, but establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative
branch, including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in
issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all
Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically
speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will
be available live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement
explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based
private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State
Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
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>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas.
Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
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>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this
Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very
controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section
(5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft
so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a
presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally
occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive
determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could
ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the
attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes
in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of
anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it
can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics
folks?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment'
language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects
hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side,
to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and
perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language
frames the debate. If the other sideâ€™s language frames the debate, we lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve
Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the
erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being
included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and
they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular
type of medical authority?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years
(section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals,
giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome,
etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European
zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind?
Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are
NEVER studied in science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying
individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are
based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some
nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a
reference to nonbinary? ~KC
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the
insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth
which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying
public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to
genetic disorders; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based
definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our nation's founding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but
equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in
undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based
Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and
cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede
research.â€
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> â€œVital statisticsâ€ is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as â€œdata,â€ (being the plural of â€œdatumâ€) which is a
known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274);
and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the
performance of public and private policies and contracts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with
confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public trust; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability,
those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth:
time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth
certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits
of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, notify
us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be
guaranteed secure or error-free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the
author and do not necessarily represent those of the organization.
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Sent: 3/30/2020 5:23:02 PM
To: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy
God is with us!
Quentin
Dear Friends,

Julianne Young
Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper



youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE
At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed
that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports-
protecting biological males from competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital
Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to
possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the
31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the
Julianne Young
My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today
that they had until the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the
governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has
until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't
addressed it yet.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:58 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <
jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred,
Blessings,
James
continue to receive ugly email and social media posts. America needs more state legislators like you. â€“ Fred Deutsch, South Dakota
Rep.

Julianne Young

Julianne Young



wrote:

Sent from my iPhone

wrote:

issue.

parents in many
certificates
whole sham.
James

2020, 02:48:38 PM EST,
Michelle Cretella
wrote:

their "Freedom of
hts.org> wrote:
That is one of the
they are boys.
>
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> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
ts.org
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020,
m> wrote:
>>
testimony?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at
m> wrote:
mother wrote to us
to a "blatant lie."
>>>
here:
>>>
89475842?s=20
>>>
Thank you! -K
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
m> wrote:
recommendation.
>>>>
from the National
the acceptance and
animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest
everything and the
week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
complies with the
may be reviewed and
statistics.
>>>>
sex is gender
distinctions are
discriminatory.
>>>>
and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020
m> wrote:
Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12,
Young
m> wrote:
policies. When we
based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11,
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding
from Wednesday.
board!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10,
Young
m> wrote:
passes muster:
iHbG5-
edit
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up.
>>>>>>>>
10, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
weigh in and share
Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
WRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 8:12 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached
hearing towards the
We need to keep our
on plans for public
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julianne
Young
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any last
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And one
(1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with
ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19
PM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
make a presumptive
undergoing the
and external
an open-ended
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our
on 39-245A (4) and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
that we make some
straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-
the appropriate
decision of sex is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-
the case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did
statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41
AM Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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â€œseparate but equal.â€
â€œDifferential treatmentâ€
is fine.
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Liberty Counsel
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PO Box 540774
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Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-1776 phone
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(407) 875-0770 fax
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LC.org
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m> Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 12:05
PMTo: Richard Mast
January 24
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to what.
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think that works.
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Liberty Counsel
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PO Box 540774
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Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-1776 phone
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(407) 875-0770 fax
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LC.org
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m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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follows:
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concern.
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SEGM quote from the
wary of them saying
or â€œnon-binary,â€ and
perhaps have a conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
anyone on our side
Language frames the
debate. If the other
sideâ€™s language frames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>; Natasha Chart
>; Richard Mast
Smith
>; Fred Deutsch
>; Mary McAlister
m>; Eunie Smith
Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>;
Glenn Ridder
>; Horvath Hacsi
Jamie Shupe)
; Michelle Cretella
Robbins
Lappert Patrick
Margaret Clarke
.com>; Matt Sharp
McHugh Paul
Monique Robles MD
; Quentin Van Meter
Roger Brooks
Scott, Greg
Timothy Millea MD
Vernadette Broyles
.org>; Walt Heyer
William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics in most
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
good questions:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
authority?
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resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
comment.
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wrinkles.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Gee Whiz!
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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state of disease:
Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome,
etc.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Try not to use the
science.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> Non-binary?!?!?
Disneyland comes to
zoo? An ant? â€œI am
Zero!â€
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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me now!
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>
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realms, identity's
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> I feel better.
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> BH
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> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44
m> wrote:
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>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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ideology upon which
based.
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binary. Even though
do not say they are
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Will, could SEGM
add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
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>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020,
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics on Idaho
fundamental to the
conducting criminal
biological lineage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
sex which has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
distinguishable
characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
in undermining the
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The erasure of
â€œthe conflation of sex
and gender in healthcare is
subject hundreds of
area of transgender
research.â€
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> â€œVital
statisticsâ€ is defined in
Idaho Code Section 39-
241(21) as â€œdata,â€
(being the plural of
â€œdatumâ€) which is a
known fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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274); and,
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>>>>
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contracts.
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>>>>
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>>>> The failure to
maintain accurate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Therefore, the
documents specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
attorney, and Idaho
and Tennessee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
window to receive
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> (407) 875-1776
phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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any attachment are
from your computer,
organization.
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--
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 3/30/2020 5:57:13 PM
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Steve
Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Wonderful news! Thank you for braving the storm.

Dear Friends,

Julianne Young

Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:
(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
hurt our community.
youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE

31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these
Julianne Young


Fred,
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to
pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if
you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it
because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them
young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't
against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By
condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms,
homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed
sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their bodies in regard to
how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an
adult with autonomy over my body.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I
just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James

<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy
Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg
Julianne Young

tomorrow.
Julianne Young





Sent from my iPhone
James
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She
argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW
in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we
don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the
week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The
conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been
upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions
are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available
live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value
of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work
on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting
to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>;
William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got
some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather
than vital statistics in most instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
authority?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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am Zero!”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied
in science. Never!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
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nonbinary? ~KC
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Attachment:
Sent: 3/30/2020 6:09:51 PM
To: "'James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)'" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "'Julianne Young'" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>,
"'QUENTIN VAN METER'" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "'Michelle Cretella'" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "'Dr. Fred Deutsch'" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "'Kelsey
Coalition'" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "'Mary McAlister'" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "'Natasha Chart'"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "'Richard Mast'" <rmast@lc.org>, "'Steve Smith'" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "'David
Pickup'" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "'Gary McCaleb'" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "'Glenn Ridder'"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "'Horvath Hacsi'" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "'Michael Laidlaw'" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"'Jane Robbins'" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "'Lappert Patrick'" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "'MD Paul Hruz
PhD'" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "'Margaret Clarke'" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "'Matt Sharp'"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "'McHugh Paul'" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "'Monique Robles MD'" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "'Roger
Brooks'" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "'Timothy Millea MD'" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "'Vernadette Broyles'"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "'Walt Heyer'" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "'William Malone'" <malone.will@gmail.com>,
"'Scott, Greg'" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
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Praise God and thank your for your courage and hard work.
Eunie

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Cc: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha
Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb
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Julianne,
Such wonderful news in otherwise dark times. I've been making a point to pray each day, asking that the Governor would sign these bills, and those prayers have now been answered. But
stay strong, please, because a lot of hate will no doubt be coming your way as the problematic elements of the media feign outrage.
Blessings, and many thanks for all of your hard work and courage to pass this historic legislation.
James
On Monday, March 30, 2020, 09:23:10 PM EDT, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
God is with us!

Quentin
Dear Friends,
Julianne Young
Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:
We are still going after the Governor, though, to make sure that he signs or at least allow the bills to become
law.

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports-
protecting biological males from competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to
possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the
Julianne Young
My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that
he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:58 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred,
Blessings,
James
Rep.

Julianne Young
Julianne Young

wrote:
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whole sham.
James

2020, 02:48:38 PM EST,
Michelle Cretella
wrote:
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testimony?
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>>
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mother wrote to us
to a "blatant lie."
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
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recommendation.
>>>>
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the acceptance and
animus.
>>>>
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everything and the
week.
>>>>
>>>>
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may be reviewed and
statistics.
>>>>
sex is gender
distinctions are
discriminatory.
>>>>
and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020
m> wrote:
Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12,
Young
m> wrote:
policies. When we
based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11,
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
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from Wednesday.
board!
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>>>>>>>
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Young
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passes muster:
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up.
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10, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
weigh in and share
Wednesday.
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10, 2020 at 8:12 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
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hearing towards the
We need to keep our
on plans for public
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>>>>>>>>>> Julianne
Young
>>>>>>>>>>
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Young
m> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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Young
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>>>>>>>>>>>> And one
(1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with
ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19
PM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
make a presumptive
undergoing the
and external
an open-ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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that we make some
straightforward.
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the case?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did
statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41
AM Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m> Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 12:05
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January 24
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to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
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Orlando, FL 32854
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m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Richard Mast
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Liberty Counsel
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Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-0770 fax
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LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
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2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>; Natasha Chart
>; Richard Mast
Smith
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>; Mary McAlister
m>; Eunie Smith
Gary McCaleb
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>; Horvath Hacsi
Jamie Shupe)
; Michelle Cretella
Robbins
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Margaret Clarke
.com>; Matt Sharp
McHugh Paul
Monique Robles MD
; Quentin Van Meter
Roger Brooks
Scott, Greg
Timothy Millea MD
Vernadette Broyles
.org>; Walt Heyer
William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics in most
instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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authority?
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resolve this?
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comment.
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wrinkles.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Gee Whiz!
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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etc.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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science.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> Non-binary?!?!?
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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me now!
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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realms, identity's
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> I feel better.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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ideology upon which
based.
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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binary. Even though
do not say they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Will, could SEGM
add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
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>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020,
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics on Idaho
fundamental to the
conducting criminal
biological lineage,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
sex which has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
distinguishable
characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
in undermining the
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The erasure of
subject hundreds of
area of transgender
research.â€
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> â€œVital
known fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
274); and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
contracts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The failure to
maintain accurate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Therefore, the
documents specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
attorney, and Idaho
and Tennessee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
window to receive
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> (407) 875-1776
phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
any attachment are
from your computer,
organization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Sent: 3/30/2020 6:32:21 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred
Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Steve
Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
"McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>,
"Margaret S Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Kaycee Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Steve Vick" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
What wonderful news Julianne! This is truly a ray of light in dark times. Thank you for your perseverance. To God be
the glory!!
Margaret Clarke
On Mar 30, 2020, at 7:26 PM, Julianne Young wrote:
Dear Friends,

Julianne Young
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:

Thanks to Arthur for forwarding the email below. It is imperative that we keep our governor hearing our support for
these bills.
Julianne Young
From: Arthur Schaper

To: Representative Julianne Young
Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc
From: Hannah Willard, Freedom for All Americans

To: Arthur Schaper
The first and only anti-transgender student athlete bill to pass this year is on the Governor’s desk there right
now.
That’s right—while many state governments are trying to help people suffering in this pandemic, Idaho lawmakers are
trying to hurt vulnerable youth. The cruelty is extreme, friend, and really shows just how determined anti-LGBTQ
The Governor is skeptical about the bill, so there's a chance he’ll veto. But we’re not leaving this up to chance:
We’re running online ads into Idaho right now, activating Idahoans to call for his veto. And we’re coordinating
local businesses to call for a veto too.
Idaho’s Governor has until the middle of next week to veto. If you’re able, and if you’ve already supported those
who are suffering in your community right now, will you chip in $8 to our state campaigns team ASAP so we can keep
the pressure on him?
If he vetoes, it will be a huge victory for our movement. But even then, dozens of similar bills are still active in
legislatures across the country—and legislative sessions this year could drag on, into the summer or longer.
While some legislatures have gaveled out, or have suspended other work to deal with the public health crisis, some
haven’t. And when the pandemic is contained, weeks or even months from now, and lawmakers are back at work, anti-
LGBTQ legislation could be at the top of their agenda.
Our state leaders need to focus on what matters—containing the virus, increasing testing, bolstering the economy,
helping families, and ensuring children are able to learn from home. Not attacking our most vulnerable youth.
Help us fight anti-transgender legislation, in Idaho and across the country, for as long as it takes. If you can,
chip in $8 to our state campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE
FOLLOW
DONATE
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 6:26 AM Julianne Young wrote:

At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30
bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from competing in women's
sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are
subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they
can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are important
to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 8:18 PM Julianne Young wrote:

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:20 PM Julianne Young wrote:

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days
still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't
addressed it yet.
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:58 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
Fred,
I've wrestled with whether or not I should bite my tongue or in a military-style "after actions review" kinda way, I
should chime in with how I saw things play out.
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction.
I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and you knew that was coming going
into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better
word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have
folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to
somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people
testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your
foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them
young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please
correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest,
there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these
folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete
in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled
speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their
bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or because
of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their
bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't
warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
I'm legally back to James now, so it's time to put Jamie to rest, forever. Jamie was a failed medical and
psychiatric experiment, nothing more.
Blessings,
James
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, 03:32:54 PM EDT, Dr. Fred Deutsch wrote:

To: Michelle Cretella
Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) ; Mary McAlister ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve
Smith ; Dr. Fred Deutsch ; David Pickup ; Eunie Smith ; Gary McCaleb ; Glenn Ridder ; Horvath Hacsi ; Michael
Laidlaw ; Jane Robbins ; Lappert Patrick ; MD Paul Hruz PhD ; Margaret Clarke ; Matt Sharp ; McHugh Paul ; Monique
Robles MD ; Quentin Van Meter ; Roger Brooks ; Timothy Millea MD ; Vernadette Broyles ; Walt Heyer ; William Malone
; Scott, Greg ; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Julianne Young
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30 on the Senate
third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we
adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 8:51 AM Julianne Young wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 8:13 AM Julianne Young wrote:
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 8:49 AM Julianne Young wrote:
Thanks.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:44 AM Julianne Young wrote:
confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think about what we
will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:50 PM wrote:
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Kelsey Coalition wrote:

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
sham.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 02:48:38 PM EST, Michelle Cretella wrote:
in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up
against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister wrote:
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>
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>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young wrote:
recommendation.
>>>>
Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has
felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that
this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
>>>>
placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway
moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument
on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the
>>>>
https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about
a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the
file is our bill.
>>>>
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may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material
statistics.
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the
jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades
specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the
premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must
>>>>
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>>>> Julianne Young
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>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are
on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a week from
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young wrote:
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working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome
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>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young wrote:
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larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I
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department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast Subject: Re:
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from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is in response
to what.
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January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve Smith ; Fred Deutsch ; Mary
January 24
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instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something
that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter
the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-
based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of
government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public
health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nation's founding.
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characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the plural
of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the
facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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experts).
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Steve.
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Young.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Sent: 3/30/2020 7:14:39 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr.
Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>,
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
"Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov"
<sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Praise God!! And we cancel every assignment of backlash against you and those who stood with you. May you sleep
the deep sleep of one who has warred well for what is right.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Mar 30, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
Julianne Young

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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there
are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from
competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left
without action. These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been
vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue
letting the governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young

My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until
the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned,
the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to
be expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved.
You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't
do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and
without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct
me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that
approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in
female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in
that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
changed sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made to their
bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom
because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
Blessings,
James
needs more state legislators like you. â€“ Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.

<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>;
Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national pressure to veto. Any support that can be communicated is helpful:
governor@gov.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

about bill number 30 on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills
move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several
days and they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We
have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.


I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism
and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

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Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now
say that you gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very
many lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the
whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have
to appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
statement, which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies
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unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute
shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to
a "blatant lie."
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting
that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee.
It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the
agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this
issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate
republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as
soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a
2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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material facts, but establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the
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branch, including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in
issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all
Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically
speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will
be available live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based
private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section
(5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft
so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could
ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes
in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-binary,â€ and
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included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and
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giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the
insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is
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which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying
public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to
genetic disorders; and,
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equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable,
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Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and
cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede
research.â€
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certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four
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of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, notify
us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be
guaranteed secure or error-free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the
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Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
Praise God! Five smooth stones, and an abiding faith in His justice! Good work you guys!
Patrick
On March 30, 2020 8:26 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,

Julianne Young
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addressed it yet.
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issue.

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whole sham.
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2020, 02:48:38 PM EST,
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m> wrote:
>>
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m> wrote:
mother wrote to us
to a "blatant lie."
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>>>
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>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
m> wrote:
recommendation.
>>>>
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the acceptance and
animus.
>>>>
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everything and the
week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
complies with the
may be reviewed and
statistics.
>>>>
sex is gender
distinctions are
discriminatory.
>>>>
and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020
m> wrote:
Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12,
Young
m> wrote:
policies. When we
based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11,
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
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from Wednesday.
board!
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Young
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passes muster:
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>>>>>>>>
10, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
weigh in and share
Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 8:12 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached
hearing towards the
We need to keep our
on plans for public
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julianne
Young
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb
Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any last
>>>>>>>>>>>
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Young
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>>>>>>>>>>>> And one
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with
ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM
Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19
PM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
make a presumptive
undergoing the
and external
an open-ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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that we make some
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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the appropriate
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the case?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06
AM Julianne Young
m> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did
statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41
AM Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Liberty Counsel
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PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
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(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m> Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 12:05
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January 24
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to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
think that works.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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anyone on our side
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Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
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LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
m>; Natasha Chart
>; Richard Mast
Smith
>; Fred Deutsch
>; Mary McAlister
m>; Eunie Smith
Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>;
Glenn Ridder
>; Horvath Hacsi
Jamie Shupe)
; Michelle Cretella
Robbins
Lappert Patrick
Margaret Clarke
.com>; Matt Sharp
McHugh Paul
Monique Robles MD
; Quentin Van Meter
Roger Brooks
Scott, Greg
Timothy Millea MD
Vernadette Broyles
.org>; Walt Heyer
William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics in most
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good questions:
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resolve this?
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08
AM Bernard Hudson
wrote:
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> Gee Whiz!
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appreciated.
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>>>>
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>>>>
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statistics on Idaho
fundamental to the
conducting criminal
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>>>>
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sex which has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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distinguishable
characteristics.
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>>>>
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in undermining the
biological sex.
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>>>>
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subject hundreds of
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>>>>
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>>>> â€œVital
known fact; and,
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>>>>
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>>>>
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contracts.
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>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
statistics; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Therefore, the
documents specific
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
attorney, and Idaho
and Tennessee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
window to receive
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Counsel
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>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> (407) 875-1776
phone
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>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
--
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Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
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Sent: 3/31/2020 6:20:22 AM
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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological
males from competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If
they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young
One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to
act on it. As of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the "campaign"
to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider
that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing
it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got
them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you
weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on
females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker
rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful.
I just hope they come at it differently.
Blessings,
James

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Julianne Young
perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young
they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of
I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time
to think about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.
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But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal
to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
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distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert
some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
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Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-
identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research,
not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
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Sent: 3/31/2020 6:51:35 AM
To: "Senator Steve Vick" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Cc: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Walt
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>
You are both to be highly commended for your courage and perseverance. Do not be afraid of the backlash. Know that
will ultimately fail as well if you continue to stand up to the bullies.
We will continue to stand with you.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Mar 31, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Senator Steve Vick <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov> wrote:
I have not met many on this list but I want to say that Representative Young is a true warrior and good legislator and it was a pleasure and an honor to work with her on this important piece of
legislation.
Sincerely,
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Cc: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>;
Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Senator Steve Vick <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Dear Friends,
Julianne Young
Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:

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If he vetoes, it will be a huge victory for our movement. But even then, dozensof

youth.

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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting
biological males from competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to possible veto or
signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these
Julianne Young
My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the 31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing
public support!

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at
2:40 pm to act on it. As of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that
was to be expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better
word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or
otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having
people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks
do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I
understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as
transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being
complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled
speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that
they've changed sex because of gender identity or because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've made
to their bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female
bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with autonomy over my body.
For those of you that haven't updated my email address yet, please change it tojames.shupe.fl@gmail.com
Blessings,
James
Thank you for your courage. Though our session in SD is now over and our efforts to protect gender-confused vulnerable children failed, I continue to receive ugly email and social media posts.
America needs more state legislators like you. â€“ Fred Deutsch, South Dakota Rep.

<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
H509 passed the Senate 27-6 with the support of every Republican Senator. The governor is receiving national pressure to veto. Any support that can be communicated is helpful:
governor@gov.idaho.gov
Julianne Young
about bill number 30 on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if
bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young
Our committee hearing went well and we came through Senate State Affairs with a party line vote. 509 has been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for
several days and they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the
corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.
I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your
criticism and suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone
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Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would
now say that you gave birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in
many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-markers-on-birth-certificates
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are
very many lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories
behind the whole sham.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should
have to appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what
is!
statement, which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use
policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
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unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing
absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names
connected to a "blatant lie."
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill,
suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state
affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by animus.
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policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of
the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already
decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may
sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for
debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was
about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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material facts, but establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring
the accuracy of material statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The
legislative branch, including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender
identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and
safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female,
statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that
all sex-based distinctions are discriminatory.
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It
will be available live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the Senate.
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explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research
based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in
section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at
our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon
have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you
could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some
changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any requirements should that be the case?
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side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or â€œnon-
binary,â€ and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
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Language frames the debate. If the other sideâ€™s language frames the debate, we lose.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>;
Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup
Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>;mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
<hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique
Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
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included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5)
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mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and talk to me now!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is
the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of
birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to,
identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or
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based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our nation's founding.
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equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious,
immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of
transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will
also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other
areas of medical research.â€
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certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of
four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
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notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email
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From: Gary McCaleb
Sent: 3/31/2020 10:22:40 AM
To: "patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>
Cc: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michelle
Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Kelsey Coalition"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
I am SO deeply pleased to hear this--it is a testimony to Churchill's famed speech: "never, never, never give up."
It is critical not just for the confused kids who might be spared an awful future, but for the broader movement.
Thanks for staying so focused on this even through the endless pandemic pandemonium. Very, very well done!
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 4:53 AM patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com> wrote:

Praise God! Five smooth stones, and an abiding faith in His justice! Good work you guys!
Patrick
On March 30, 2020 8:26 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,

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I've wrestled with whether or not I should bite my tongue or in a military-style "after actions review" kinda way, I
should chime in with how I saw things play out.
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are
still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off,
they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even
though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people
like those folks do it even better, and without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their bodies
but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or because of the
Blessings,
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wrote:
H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I
hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time
to think about what we will present and who might be able to
testify. I will let you know as soon as I have more information.

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wrote:

ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we
have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I
think sometimes people can see this
issue more clearly when we can

decide without your involvement to
change her birth certificate. This legal
document would now say that you gave
birth to a son. You have zero say. This
document is a lie about your personal
life and your health history and is
happening to KC parents in many
states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org
/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-
certificates
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM

James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
As these bills are
advanced, I think it's
important to do at least
some education on the
even if just briefly,
because I don't believe
there are very many
lawmakers that are
the topic. No doubt many
of them will find it
disturbing to learn they're
older than the quack
theories behind the whole
sham.
James

2020, 02:48:38 PM EST,
Michelle Cretella
wrote:

any other example in
history in the sense that
the State is forcing people
to participate in a lie akin
to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO
ONE should have to
appeal to their "Freedom
of Religion/Conscience" to
stand up against 2+2=5 /
a man is NOT a woman! If
this is not the definition of
insane I don't know what
is!

<mmcalister@childparentr
ights.org> wrote:
That is one of the
affirmation policies, i.e.,
the state is compelling
students to utter a false
statement, which violates
free speech and free
exercise rights (or rights of
conscience generally).
That's underlying pronoun
policies and privacy
they are boys.
>
> Senior Litigation
Counsel
Campaign
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
mmcalister@childparentrig
hts.org
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020,
<kelseycoalition@gmail.c
om> wrote:
the parent argument...it
not simply the state being
(that a girl was actually
born a boy), but it is the
state compelling an
unwilling party to party to
that legal fiction...parents
whose legal records state
they gave birth to a son
when they really gave birth
to a daughter.
>>
>> Haven't had a chance
to watch the hearing, but
was this argument part of
the testimony?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
at 11:22 AM Kelsey
Coalition
om> wrote:
birth to a daughter gave
birth to a son, and vice
versa. As recently as last
month, a mother wrote to
us expressing absolute
shock that her young adult
permission. As she
stated, she and her
husband do not want their
names connected to a
"blatant lie."
>>>
House members, I
tweeted out a link to the
bill and the House
>>>
https://twitter.com/Coalitio
nKelsey/status/123124680
2189475842?s=20
>>>
Thank you! -K
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020
at 9:42 AM Julianne
Young
<juliannehyoung@gmail.c
om> wrote:
recommendation.
>>>>
from the National
opposed the bill,
suggesting that it is
uncharacteristic of the
acceptance and kindness
she has felt from
Idahoans, including many
of the more conservative
members of the state
affairs committee. It
seems that this testimony
would be a great benefit
should a court be seeking
evidence that this bill is
motivated by animus.
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest
Lambda Legal Attorney
who represented the
plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron
(a very tall woman if you're
skimming the video
looking for her testimony).
She countered some of
my statements which
suggested that this issue
has not been robustly
because the state
conceded everything and
the arguments make
(based on the West Law
minutes) addressed only
the interests of the agency
and not the public at
large. She argued that
everything I brought up
had already been heard
and considered by the
court and that they have
already decided this
issue. By passing this
bill, we are placing the
DHW in a position to be
found in contempt of
court. This argument,
coupled with the court
costs may sway moderate
republicans in the House
and could stop the bill in
the Senate if we don't have
a strong counter-argument
on the House floor. It
could be up for debate on
the floor as soon as next
Tuesday and must be
transmitted to the Senate
by the end of the week.
>>>>
here: https://legislature.ida
ho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/st
andingcommittees/HSTA/
. It does take awhile to
open. It was about a 2
hour hearing. There was a
very short bill right before
mine but it only took a
couple of minutes. Most
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposed
statute complies with the
requirement of the
injunction in that the
statute does not
by which those
applications may be
reviewed and considered.
This process protects the
interest of the state in
ensuring the accuracy of
>>>>
>>>> The legislature
rejects the argument that
biological sex is gender
definitions established in
the law. The legislative
branch, including on the
federal level, has
consistently acted on a
biological definition of
conflation of these terms
in the law severely
undermines the
compelling interest of the
state and jeopardizes the
statistically speaking. If
we accept the premise
that these distinctions are
irrelevant, that sex is
gender identity irrespective
of biological fact, we must
also find that all sex-
based distinctions are
discriminatory.
>>>>
and suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20,
2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne
Young
om> wrote:
Statistics Act will be
heard tomorrow morning in
State Affairs. Our
meetings are usually at 9
but I won't be surprised if
we start at 8 AM. It will
be available live online or
recorded if any are
interested in listening.
We may get some ideas
that will help as we head
to the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12,
Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone
have a contact in the
research and statistics
world or someone in the
insurance industry
(medical or car) that could
provide a statement
explaining the value of
accurate information
in policies, etc? These
are research based private
policies. When we
fundamentally alter the
legal definition of sex we
undercut their ability to
effectively implement
those research-based
policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11,
Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding
Senate side. We are on
the agenda to print the bill
in House State Affairs on
toward a full hearing a
We are glad to have you
on board!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 9:54 PM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
passes muster:
https://docs.google.com/d
ocument/d/1Z8k-
zehU6_j9JN-iHbG5-
NV1LeQrlddM3Cryl_LXzF
w/edit
>>>>>>>>
up.
>>>>>>>>
10, 2020 at 4:31 PM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
input. Here is an outline
of talking points. Please
weigh in and share
hearing will be a week
from Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
https://docs.google.com/d
ocument/d/1FckQ5aKuniU
TqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84u
qLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb
10, 2020 at 8:12 AM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Dear
Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached
below is the draft which
we RS'd on Friday. The
Lord is blessing our
efforts! We anticipate a
print hearing in House
State Affairs this
hearing towards the
points and a press
release. We need to keep
our messaging very
controlled. Also, I would
welcome input on plans for
public testimony at the
hearing. I am working on
some drafts which I will
post ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Julianne
Young
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb
7, 2020 at 1:38 PM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Any last
comments are invited.
We'll RS at the end of the
day.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And one
more small change from
our attorney general in 39-
245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu,
Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM
Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And
with one more small
change in (4) as
recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53
PM Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
previous questions and
have incorporated what I
believe is a much
improved strategy in
section (5). I am sending
this final draft [vital
statistics draft(3) attached
below] to you, to ADF ,
and to our folks here a
vital statistics. Hopefully
we are near or at our final
draft so that we can work
on securing support from
the governor's office.
reason to hope we will
soon have a hearing.
Thank you again for your
help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at
12:19 PM Julianne Young
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
regard to the last
question: a colleague who
is an attorney suggested
that a better approach
may be to stipulate that
the physician make a
presumptive determination
of male or female and that
after undergoing the
evaluation of the
individual's naturally
occurring internal and
external
an open-ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My
this with the larger group
but I'm not sure that it
worked. If you could
ensure that the larger
group has access to this
request I would appreciate
it. Thanks so much.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our
attempted to address in
the attached draft. Their
comments focused
primarily on 39-245A (4)
and (5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They wanted to ensure
that the language
stipulated that the affidavit
be one provided by the
department and asked
that we make some
clear to the public. I
believe the changes to (4)
are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They raised some good
questions regarding (5)
though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-
a medical professional
that the appropriate
chromosomal analysis
and evaluation of anatomy
has taken place and that
the decision of sex is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-
Our language is silent
about what happens if
they don't resolve the
indeterminate status
within the three years. Do
we need to specify that it
can be resoled in court
after this? Do we need to
specify any requirements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
drafter and I took a stab at
it in the attached draft.
Again, feedback is
appreciated. Thank you to
those who are providing
review on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at
om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Did you receive the email I
raised by our Department
of Health and Welfare vital
statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The comment was re
SEGM language; I second
the motion to stay away
from “separate but equal.”
“Differential treatment” is
fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
om> Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 12:05
PMTo: Richard Mast
Integrity Act - short
window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
regard to the question
about the language from
SEGM or the 'differential
treatment' language? Or
both? Gmail makes it
hard to know which thing
is in response to what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
(407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
om>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sent: Wednesday,
February 5, 2020 10:18
AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To: Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
short window for
comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
following suggestion that
we incorporate a summary
follows:
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> The society of evidence-
based gender medicine
has declared that the
conflation of sex and
gender in health care is
alarming, subjects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> of* unintended medical
impede medical
research.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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addresses your
fundamental concern.
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I agree with removing
the SEGM quote from the
findings. I do not know if
the Society for Evidenced
on our side, I would be
very wary of them saying
or “non-binary,” and
perhaps have a
conversation with them to
that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I would not want to see
anyone on our side
intentionally put those
terms into the record.
Using them surrenders the
language. Language
frames the debate. If the
other side’s language
frames the debate, we
lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Senior Litigation
Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Offices in DC, FL, and
VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> From: Julianne Young
om>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Sent: Tuesday,
February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> To: Bernard Hudson
<loyolamd82@gmail.com
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Cc: Kelsey Coalition
om>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.co
m>; Richard Mast
Smith
<steve@stevesmithlaw.co
m>; Fred Deutsch
<drfred@deutschclinic.co
m>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentr
ights.org>; David Pickup
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.c
om>; Eunie Smith
Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>;
Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.co
m>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.co
m>; James Shupe
(Formerly Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.co
m>; Michelle Cretella
; mike@drlaidlaw.com;
Jane Robbins
Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsu
rgery.com>; MD Paul
Hruz PhD
<hruz_p007@att.net>;
Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@iclo
ud.com>; Matt Sharp
McHugh Paul
Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net
>; Quentin Van Meter
Roger Brooks
Scott, Greg
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org
>; Timothy Millea MD
Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrigh
ts.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>
; William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital
short window for
comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Based on the feedback I
will not include the quote
from SEGM in the bill,
amending (v) on page 2,
line 46-47 to simply state
that the erasure of
safety of all individuals.
Then, any other evidence
can be introduced in the
hearing, rather than being
included in the bill. Also, I
got some feedback from
our vital statistics
(sections 4 and 5) and
they suggested using
'material fact' rather than
vital statistics in most
instances.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> They have raised 2 other
good questions:
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> 1) In section 5, do we
not want a medical
authority to certify to the
final designation of sex? If
so, do we want to limit
this to a particular type of
medical authority?
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> 2) The draft you have
status within the
stipulated 3 years (section
5). We included this to
prevent certificates from
being left in an unresolved
status. However, kicking
it to the courts after this
time could become
problematic. What are the
recommendations to
resolve this?
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> I am attaching the
current (final) draft :) for
your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Thank you for your help
in ironing out these final
wrinkles.
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> Representative Young
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at
9:08 AM Bernard Hudson
<loyolamd82@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
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>
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>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Gee Whiz!
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Humans are the only
living species of Homo
Sapiens. Given that fact,
we are male and female,
there is no other. We are
mammals, giving birth,
carrying a XX or an XY,
female or male.
state of disease: Turner’s
Syndrome, Klinefelter’s
Syndrome, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Everybody is
transgender, no one is
transsexual, cis-gender is
true for everyone! Try not
to use the nomenclature of
non-science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Non-binary?!?!?
Disneyland comes to
zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Listen: Talk to me!
Be real! Stop! No, no,
you meant to say that you
are claiming something
that does not exist except
in your mind? Got it?
Your mind? Take a look,
please. See? Right! You
are a male or female so
stop with the rigamarole
and talk to me now!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Throw out words or
shifting definitions,
political realms, identity's
unscientific, and whims
and notions that are
NEVER studied in
science. Never!
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>>> Looks great! My only
from SEGM. Will, would
you consider this? First,
the reference"cisgender-
believe there is way to
make this point,
without using a word like
"cis" which indirectly
endorses the ideology
upon which transgender
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with the quote is to add
non-binary. Even though
transgender has become
an umbrella term covering
both, some nonbinary
individuals do not say they
are transgender. Many
forms offer both categories
for people to check when
they identify themselves.
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>>> Will, could SEGM
transgender individuals,
but ALL persons" as well
as add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
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>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020
at 10:35 AM Natasha
Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.co
m> wrote:
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>>>> This is great, I love
it. Thank you for doing
this.
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>>>> On Tue, Feb 4,
2020, 9:43 AM Julianne
Young
om> wrote:
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>>>>>
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>>>>> After visiting with
arguments raised in the
law-suit is the insert some
additional language into
our legislative intent,
rather than addressing
another section of code.
My additions are
appreciated.
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> The legislature
finds a compelling interest
in maintaining accurate,
statistics on Idaho
fundamental to the
performance of
government functions that
secure the public health
and safety, including, but
not limited to, identifying
public health trends,
assessing risks,
conducting criminal
biological lineage,
citizenship, or
susceptibility to genetic
disorders; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> The equality
clause prohibits purposeful
general applicability such
as a biology-based
definition of sex which has
been consistently applied
since our nation's
founding.
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Decades of court
argument that the
biological distinctions
between male and female
justify separate but equal
treatment under the law
and a defined category of
sex which relies on
biological fact is the only
distinguishable
characteristics.
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>>>>>
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>>>>> The definitional
constitute manifest
injustice in undermining
the implementation of
many policies which have
been advanced to secure
the privacy and interests
of individuals specific to
their biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The erasure of
safety of all individuals.
For example, the Society
for Evidence-Based
Gender Medicine has
declared that “the
conflation of sex and
gender in healthcare is
subject hundreds of
medical harm from
receiving incorrect
diagnoses and being
subjected to incorrect
area of transgender
outcome evidence, but
also in other areas of
medical research.”
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>>>>> “Vital statistics”
is defined in Idaho Code
Section 39-241(21) as
“data,” (being the plural of
“datum”) which is a known
fact; and,
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>>>>> Idaho certificates
of birth are of an
evidentiary character and
prima facie evidence of the
facts recited therein (Code
Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>> Age and Sex,
unlike the names of
natural parents whose
rights have been
terminated, are legally
applicable facts
fundamental to the
performance of public and
private policies and
contracts.
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>>>>> The failure to
maintain accurate,
others may with
confidence rely
constitutes a breach of the
public trust; and
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>>>>> Government has a
maintaining the public
trust and confidence and a
duty to fulfill, to the best of
its ability, those functions
which rely on accurate
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documents specific
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>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21,
2020 at 10:34 AM Richard
Mast <RMast@lc.org>
wrote:
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>>>>>> Please meet
Steve Smith, an Idaho
allied attorney, and Idaho
working on a birth
certificate protection bill,
to reverse a recent court
decision striking down
sex-based birth
certificates in Idaho. This
will restore the status quo,
making Idaho one of four
states that require birth
and Tennessee.
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>>>>>> Julianne has a
short window to receive
experts).
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Matt Sharp
provided ADF factual
findings for the recitals
and some edits. I have
accepted his changes;
made a few suggested
edits of my own, and thus
open it up to you all for
any input for Julianne and
Steve.
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>>>>>> There may be an
Young.
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>>>>>> Thanks,
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard L. Mast,
Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Senior Litigation
Counsel
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>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
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>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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32854
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phone
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fax
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>>>>>> Offices in DC,
FL, and VA
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>>>>>> This message
and any attachment are
whom it is addressed. If
you are not the intended
this message and deleting
it from your computer,
because any distribution
of this message by you is
secure or error-free. We
do not accept
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Also, there’s a Christian Post story out about this, in case anyone wants an article to share that uses materially
accurate terms:
I have not met many on this list but I want to say that Representative Young is a true warrior and good legislator
and it was a pleasure and an honor to work with her on this important piece of legislation.
Sincerely,
Senator Steve Vick

Idaho State Senate
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<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; David Pickup
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Dear Friends,

Julianne Young

Thanks to Arthur for forwarding the email below. It is imperative that we keep our governor hearing our support
for these bills.
Julianne Young
Hey Julianne:

(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
The first and only anti-transgender student athlete bill to pass this year is on the Governor's desk there.
hurt our community.
youth.
campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
F
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These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on
the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that
these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young

My sincere apologies to all, but the governor's office decided at around noon today that they had until the
31st to act on these bills. We now have until the 31st to continue expressing public support!

One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the
5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it. As of last
night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You
have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this,
even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the
surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong,
but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being complicit
in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's spaces
such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even
before I desisted.
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young
perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

Sent from my iPhone
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to
appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!
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facts, but establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of
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value of accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies.
When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a
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Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp
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biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also,
I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5).
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"Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul
Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Mary McAlister"
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD"
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https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/31/idaho-law-bans-transgender-athletes-girls-and-wome/
On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 8:11 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
What the NYTimes and other such outlets does to anyone who backs down under pressure:
"Navratilova later backed away from that view."
"Athletes like the Olympic marathon runner Paula Radcliffe and the tennis star Martina Navratilova have contended that athletes with higher
natural levels of testosterone are able to outperform their competitors, especially in some track and field events and in weight lifting
competitions. Navratilova later backed away from that view."
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/sports/transgender-idaho-ban-sports.html
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, 08:12:55 PM EDT, Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, there’s a Christian Post story out about this, in case anyone wants an article to share that uses materially accurate terms:
Sincerely,
Senator Steve Vick

Idaho State Senate

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At the end of the day yesterday the newly posted information on the governor's website showed that there are only 30 bills left awaiting action. H500 (Fairness in Women's Sports- protecting biological males from
competing in women's sports) and H509 (The Idaho Vital Statistics Act) are among those which have been left without action. These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been
vetoed before 6:33 PM on the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young


One more post on time frames: Apparently since H509 was transmitted to the governor before we adjourned, the 5 days still applies. That means that he has until tomorrow afternoon at 2:40 pm to act on it.
As of last night he hadn't addressed it yet.
Fred,
expected and you knew that was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for a lack of a better word, the
"campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You
have to consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That was literally like having people testifying "don't do this,
even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving." And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and without the
surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong,
but your platform was that you weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the harm in that approach is it's being
complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade
women's spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc. There's real harm in that and it's something I've
stood against even before I desisted.
Blessings,
James

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Julianne Young

perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young

they are not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the
support of leadership but the Democrats will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.



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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly
when we can personalize the issue.
James
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to
appeal to their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!

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biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill.
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To: "juliannehyoung@gmail.com" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Richard Mast"
<RMast@LC.org>
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
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Attachments: James.Shupe.Male.Sex.Name.Change.Complete.Scan.With.Seal.pdf,2019_12_11 PETITION FOR CHANGE OF NAME & SEX as
filed.pdf
Richard,
Mr. Smith and Representative Young may wish to consider using my recent court order from Oregon as part of their evidence because a big part of the birth cert argument is the mythical
third sex, aka disorders of sexual development, etc. But most importantly, the court order states my sex change to non-binary was a psychologically harmful legal fiction and that the
hormone therapy did not change my sex.
The petition also references my Canadian affidavit and Supreme Court amicus brief.
See the attached documents, and please reach out to me if I can be of assistance in any other manner.
Blessings,
James Shupe
All,
and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
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Orlando, FL 32854
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"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com"
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Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy
For KC talking points, I use the phrase: "individuals who identify as transgender or non-binary" rather than
"transgender" or "non-binary" without the modifiers.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:10 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Another note on cisgender. If I'm not mistaken the word was coined by transgender activist Julia Serano between 10
and 20 years ago. Trans activists don't get to decide what the rest of us are.
They've gotten away with the same thing for gender identity, claiming we all have one, which also isn't true.
So the pattern has been that transgender activists say things and create language and everyone just adopts it
without question.
James Shupe
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition

<kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:


founding.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and
gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect
diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome

All,
and Steve.
Thanks,

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Subject: RE: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for
Matt,
As I explained to Michelle, my new court order ADF helped secure contains language stating my sex was observed at
birth.
James

Michelle,
Thank you for the reference to the American Psychiatric Association. We produced this memo a few years ago and
were looking to demonstrate that even our opponents recognize the biological basis for sex. I completely agree
that we do not want to concede that sex is assigned at birth. I’ll update the memo with the reference you
provided.
Matt
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*EXTERNAL*
Richard,
Re: the bill itself, I am not convinced that the specific DSDs should be named and described (section 5) and defer
to Dr. Paul Hruz's expertise. Otherwise, I believe that it looks good.
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Reference:
Best,
Michelle
(Dr. Cretella)

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been
working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth
certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few
suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,
Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg"
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Also agree with the Kelsey Coalition.
I recommend removing transgender and cisgender both.
There's no scientific evidence that transgender people exist, and the earliest known use of the word is only 1965.
James Shupe
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:56 AM, QUENTIN VAN METER

<kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree that adopting use of cis-gender only validates transgender as a healthy variant which it is clearly not.
Quentin
On February 4, 2020 at 10:44 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella
term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young < juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

public trust; and
and biological sex.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast < RMast@lc.org> wrote:
All,
bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states
that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
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"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins"
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>,
Bcc:
Another note on cisgender. If I'm not mistaken the word was coined by transgender activist Julia Serano between 10
and 20 years ago. Trans activists don't get to decide what the rest of us are.
So the pattern has been that transgender activists say things and create language and everyone just adopts it
without question.
James Shupe

reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like
"cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.

founding.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender
in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and
being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also
in other areas of medical research.”

All,
and Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
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(407) 875-0770 fax
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Yes, with one small adjustment in *’s below.

Would the following summary of you statement (as opposed to a quote) meet your approval:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and gender in health care is
alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of individuals *to the risk
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:33 AM William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with the points you’re all making. The quote in question is from a comment to HHS that our group (SEGM)
submitted last year— we struggled about the wording of this sentence. Perhaps Julianne you could paraphrase our
warning about conflating sex and gender, and use language that is preferable to you and your target audience? In
this instance, we straddled the fence, using terms we don’t agree with or at a minimum are poorly defined, but
added the modifier "-identified”, not leaving it as “transgender” and “cisgender”, hoping to convey that these are
not universally accepted stand-alone terms in the medical world. Here is a link to the public comment, and the
full text:
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=HHS-OCR-2019-0007-148044
The Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM) strongly supports the rights of all individuals to be treated with respect and dignity, and to have access to evidence-based medicine the
hallmark of quality health care. In order to achieve this goal, it is critical that healthcare providers, organizations, and payers maintain a clear distinction between sex and gender. Gender identifiers in
medical records provide healthcare workers with key information about an individuals sense of self. The markers of natal or biological sex contain lifesaving information that is essential for healthcare
decision-making.
Clinicians making medical decisions must assume that natal or biological sex is accurately documented in a medical record. Depending on the patients biological sex, the same blood test result can be
interpreted as either normal or abnormal and requiring prompt medical attention. Knowing a patients biological sex can be a matter of life or death in a range of healthcare events, from pregnancies to
organ failure and subsequent transplants.
More than 10,000 articles in the medical literature detail sex differences in epidemiology, pathophysiology, and clinical manifestations as well as pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics. New data
underscoring the importance of biological sex to multiple physiological processes emerge daily, including recent research suggesting that even blood transfusions are more successful when matched to
the individuals biological sex.(1) Given the explosion in the field of genetics, in the coming years we will learn about many more instances where biological sex sets into motion key disease processes,
and we will identify more treatments that rely on knowledge of the patients biological sex.
The current trend toward the conflation of sex and gender in medical records has the potential to jeopardize patient safety and result in medical malpractice. The results of a study published in the
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) determined that more than 5% of all records of transgender persons presenting for inpatient hospital care have inconsistent sex markers.(2) This
number is likely to drastically underestimate the true prevalence of the conflation of sex and gender in medical records, since the researchers could only determine the inconsistency in the minority of
cases where a patient was undergoing a surgical procedure that clearly contradicted the recorded sex (e.g., a hysterectomy for a male).
The conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from
receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-
term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.
For these reasons, SEGM supports the HHS proposal to clarify the definition of sex for healthcare purposes. In addition, SEGM calls on healthcare organizations in the US to develop guidelines for the
appropriate use of the sex and gender fields in the Electronic Medical Records (EMRs) to ensure that individuals suffering from gender dysphoria are treated with respect and dignity and receive
accurate and appropriate medical care.
References
1. Alshalani, A., Li, W., Juffermans, N., Seghatchian, J. and Acker, J. (2019). Biological mechanisms implicated in adverse outcomes of sex mismatched transfusions. Transfusion and Apheresis Science,
58(3), pp.351-356.
2. Canner, J., Harfouch, O., Kodadek, L., Pelaez, D., Coon, D., Offodile, A., Haider, A. and Lau, B. (2018). Temporal Trends in Gender-Affirming Surgery Among Transgender Patients in the United
States. JAMA Surgery, 153(7), p.609.
For KC talking points, I use the phrase: "individuals who identify as transgender or non-binary" rather than "transgender" or "non-binary" without the modifiers.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 11:10 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Another note on cisgender. If I'm not mistaken the word was coined by transgender activist Julia Serano between 10 and 20 years ago. Trans activists don't get to decide
what the rest of us are.
So the pattern has been that transgender activists say things and create language and everyone just adopts it without question.
James Shupe

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to
make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say
they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC

After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative intent,
rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and
helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex
which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of
sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from
receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely
lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.”

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court
decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with
Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any
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Your spot on
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella

Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If this is not the definition of insane I
don't know what is!

Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies,
rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use
policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.

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changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter
gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock
that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and
her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House

recommendation.
Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness
she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It
seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is
motivated by animus.
addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought
up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By
passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument,
coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate
if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon
as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.

here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open.
It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple of
minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe
the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has
consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and
gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the
compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies
have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and
female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is
gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are
discriminatory.
Julianne Young

but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are

Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical
or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate information regarding biological sex
as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based
private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to
effectively implement those research-based policies.

Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We
are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing
a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on board!
Julianne Young



Dear Friends,
print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next
Julianne Young




In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may
be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after
undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's
naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents
and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged
in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate
status.

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the
larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access
to this request I would appreciate it. Thanks so much.
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which
we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4)
and (5).
department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the
1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within
the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to
specify any requirements should that be the case?
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank



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SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing
is in response to what.

I think that works.

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Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote
as follows:
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be
changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other
side’s language frames the debate, we lose.

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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page
2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health
and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing,
rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics
department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5)
and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of

certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after
this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?


Gee Whiz!
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turner’s Syndrome,
Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please.
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider
this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way
to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the
ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
themselves.


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some
additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely
appreciated.
trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic
disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the
law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable
characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine
has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and
cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will
also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but
also in other areas of medical research.”
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate
protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho
one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and
Thanks,
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Julianne,
As mentioned previously, my recent court case can be used to help attack the gender identity problem, along the
lines of what Kelsey said, it's legal fiction. And a legal fiction isn't supposed to cause harm.
Checking out the wording in my petition and order.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 11:40:21 PM EST, Julianne Young wrote:
Thank you so much for the feedback. One thing that keeps nagging at my mind along these lines is that the court
relied on a gender identity definition of sex in order to find that the state violated the equal protection clause--
"We didn't treat the plaintiffs (biological males) like other women," etc. This ruling was not about whether the
plaintiffs could change their sex identifier, it was about whether it was lawful for a state to identify citizens
based on biology. In practice, the F.V. v Barron ruling ignored the existing state defined biology based definition
and imposed a new definition of sex on the state without ever directly addressing an argument as to why this was
justified. It was assumed via their circular arguments. If there are court cases or other info which could help me
attack the ruling from this angle it could be helpful. Shouldn't a court be mandated to rule based on existing
definitions in the law? As long as people hold the ruling to be legitimate our fight will be much harder.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM Michelle Cretella wrote:

> Almost right, Gary ... in Transtopia you are a man if and only if the State authenticates what you say you are
(and take that one step further ... a man is NOT a father because he is a man who sired a child; he is only a father
if the State says he is ... although this is also a consequence first of Obergefell).
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gary McCaleb wrote:
>> A point that keeps niggling at me is there is sort of a universal coercion from GEID theory. If I am forced to
affirm a person as transgender, perforce I must identify myself not as a male, but as a cis-gender man. I'm not male
because I was created male in the womb, but because I now think I am a man. And it's not just semantics--adopting
gender language means I have to abandon objective science and accept the subjective malleable continuum of
unprovable "genders" in place of real science.
>>
>> You can't take one step into the alternate universe of trans without abandoning your own universe.
>>
>> g.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:52 PM Walt Heyer wrote:
>>> Your spot on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to
don't know what is!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister wrote:
>>>>> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary E. McAlister, Esq.
>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>> Child & Parental Rights Campaign
>>>>> P.O. Box 637
>>>>> Monroe, VA 24574
>>>>> 434 610-0873
>>>>> mmcalister@childparentrights.org
>>>>> childparentrights.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
(that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates
are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That a mother who gave birth to a daughter
gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that
her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle
animus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v
statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and
the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes)
addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had
already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill,
we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs
may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The video of the hearing is available
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by which those
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to
consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender
identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling
interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been
upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female,
statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually
at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side.
We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We
anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next
week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I
would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post
ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated
what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach
may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after undergoing
the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by
our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast Subject: Re:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language
response to what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a
quote as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record.
lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve Smith ; Fred Deutsch ; Mary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on
page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of
all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the
bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process
piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have raised 2 other good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and
female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer
both categories for people to check when they identify themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws
of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since our
nation's founding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others
and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced
to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence
of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated,
are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies and contracts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence
and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to
Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed.
If you are not the intended recipient, notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your
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Apologies, but it's not possible for me to come to Idaho, I've got too much going on healthwise.
James
On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 08:53:26 AM EST, Julianne Young wrote:
Thank you James. I used your story and testimony in the House committee hearing. I was planning to distribute
copies of the documents you shared to the Senate committee. I we are able to get enough notice on the Senate side,
would you be interested in or able to also come testify there?
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:34 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
> Julianne,
>
> As mentioned previously, my recent court case can be used to help attack the gender identity problem, along the
>
> Checking out the wording in my petition and order.
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 11:40:21 PM EST, Julianne Young wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for the feedback. One thing that keeps nagging at my mind along these lines is that the court
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM Michelle Cretella wrote:
>> Almost right, Gary ... in Transtopia you are a man if and only if the State authenticates what you say you are
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gary McCaleb wrote:
>>> A point that keeps niggling at me is there is sort of a universal coercion from GEID theory. If I am forced to
>>>
>>> You can't take one step into the alternate universe of trans without abandoning your own universe.
>>>
>>> g.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:52 PM Walt Heyer wrote:
>>>> Your spot on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to
don't know what is!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister wrote:
>>>>>> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary E. McAlister, Esq.
>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>> Child & Parental Rights Campaign
>>>>>> P.O. Box 637
>>>>>> Monroe, VA 24574
>>>>>> 434 610-0873
>>>>>> mmcalister@childparentrights.org
>>>>>> childparentrights.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative,
committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill
is motivated by animus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The video of the hearing is available
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh
in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We
ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with
the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast Subject: Re:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the
language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a
quote as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record.
lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Natasha Chart ; Richard Mast ; Steve Smith ; Fred Deutsch ; Mary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday,
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have raised 2 other good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm?
A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws
nation's founding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to
Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Sent: 2/23/2020 6:14:10 AM
<drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn
Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>,
Bcc:
Here are my thoughts on how you should go about attacking gender identity. The foundation of the thing is built upon
a sexual paraphilia, a transvestic disorder, that's been gradually cleansed.
So I attacked two avenues in my sex change petition, legal fiction, and the sexual paraphilia.
"Autogynephilia is defined as a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female. It
is the paraphilia that is theorized to underlie transvestism and some forms of male-to-female (MtF) transsexualism."
The transvestic disorder develops into a female persona:
"The fifth step in becoming a transvestite involves fixing the gratification pattern in the identity of the
transvestite. Until this fifth step occurs one cannot speak of a person as being a true transvestite; he may have
branched off into some other form of deviant sexual behavior, or he may be functioning in a normal heterosexual
pattern. The combination of the initial autoerotic retreat with the elaboration of the fetishistic interest into
complete cross-dressing, and possibly the development of a feminine personality within the individual(8) as an alter
ego to his male personality (78% feel themselves a different personality when dressed in women's
clothes(9)), provides a synthetic dyad within the individual which gives him the libidinal rewards of both
narcissistic and dyadic regression (Slater, esp. p. 348)."
http://www.tbuckner.com/TRANSVES.HTM
It then develops into gender dysphoria:
"Later in life (sometimes in their 50s or 60s), some men who were cross-dressers only in their teens and twenties
develop gender dysphoria."
https://www.merckmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/sexuality-and-sexual-disorders/transvestism
They'll counter, that this doesn't explain male children but actually it does:
"Case reports by Stoller (1985) and by Zucker and Blanchard (1997) make it clear that genital arousal with cross-
dressing can occur as early as age 3 years."
http://www.annelawrence.com/autogynephilia,_a_paraphilic_model_of_GID.pdf
Last, look at all the inconsistent definitions of gender identity I've gathered. The trans organizations aren't even
consistent.
How females arrive at having gender dysphoria is much different and I'll leave it to Kara, Natasha, and Kelsey to
give you a narrative for that. The females came into this much later, but they're now the vehicle for the school
cases because nothing says male like facial hair that's been created by testosterone injections.
James

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>> g.
>>
>>
>>> Your spot on
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
don't know what is!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> P.O. Box 637
>>>>> Monroe, VA 24574
>>>>> 434 610-0873
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
recommendation.
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animus.
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>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
quote as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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lose.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
January 24
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instances.
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Sent: 2/24/2020 6:20:02 AM
To: "waltsbook@yahoo.com" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>
Cc: "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Kelsey
Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
Bcc:
Piggybacking on what Gary had to say, this is a very interesting argument, forcing the victim to say, for example, in a rape case to claim the perpetrator was female too.
"The Bench Book advises that transgender defendants should be addressed by the pronouns of their choice and that ‘self-definition is the most important criteria’ (sic). At least one victim
of violence by a transgender woman has been reprimanded in court for using male pronouns while describing the attack. Finding the defendant guilty, the judge refused the victim
compensation, saying that when asked to refer to the defendant as ‘she’, the victim had done so with ‘bad grace’ or continued to use ‘he’."
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/warning-over-judges-transgender-guidance/5103196.article
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 05:21:47 PM EST, Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:
A point that keeps niggling at me is there is sort of a universal coercion from GEID theory. If I am forced to affirm a person as transgender, perforce I must identify myself not as a male, but
as a cis-gender man. I'm not male because I was created male in the womb, but because I now think I am a man. And it's not just semantics--adopting gender language means I have to
abandon objective science and accept the subjective malleable continuum of unprovable "genders" in place of real science.
You can't take one step into the alternate universe of trans without abandoning your own universe.
g.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:52 PM Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Your spot on
>
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>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella
>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to their
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org> wrote:
>>> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which
>>>
>>> Mary E. McAlister, Esq.
>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>> Child & Parental Rights Campaign
>>> P.O. Box 637
>>> Monroe, VA 24574
>>> 434 610-0873
>>> mmcalister@childparentrights.org
>>> childparentrights.org
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party
>>>>
>>>> Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That
a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House Members' emails here:
>>>>> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>>>>>
>>>>> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass recommendation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her
the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that
found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-
argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including
on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z8k-zehU6_j9JN-iHbG5-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a quote as follows:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote
that effect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex
instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have raised 2 other good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical
authority?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included
this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am
Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in
science. Never!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary?
~KC
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, notify us immediately by
organization.
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Sent: 2/24/2020 6:38:43 AM
Bcc:
This is another area that needs daylight disinfectant in this discussion:
"People who are 65 years of age or older, who identify as transgender, 97 percent of those people transitioned after
the age of 55," she said."
https://www.cbs19news.com/story/41773530/case-study-explores-needs-of-transgenderidentified-senior-citizens
This is another area that needs to be attacked because as Dr. Ray Blanchard has pointed out most trans-identifying
people in western countries are autogynephilic, meaning they're transvestites that are sexually aroused by the idea
of themselves as a female. So the homosexual transsexual population comes from a very tiny group of kids, and that
small group is being used to advance transgenderism for this adult transgender population. Kids like Jazz Jennings,
that are feminine gay boys. But they too are sexually motivated, because their goal is to attract straight male sex
partners because they're unwanted in the gay community.
James

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>>
>>> Your spot on
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don't know what is!
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>>>>> P.O. Box 637
>>>>> Monroe, VA 24574
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animus.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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appreciated.
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nation's founding.
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experts).
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Julianne and Steve.
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Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Is it readily apparent that I'm still highly pissed about what I would describe as getting blindsided upon learning that Fred's plan was to have trans-identifying people, who's position was that
it was medically necessary for them to transition, to testify for his bill?
Walt
Fred,
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young





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Sent: 2/23/2020 6:01:27 AM
Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
As I look a little closer, the testimony from Jamie O'Neill appears to address 3 bills moving through the house
right now: the vital statistics act, a 'fairness in sports' act, and a bill that adds language to existing statute
prohibiting female genital mutilation to prevent cross sex treatments for minors. This diminishes some of the
credibility since the author doesn't appear to understand what is being put forward. However, if can provide some
good professional counters (especially to the IOC consensus meeting) this would be good. F.V. v Barron relied, in
part, on the claim that modern medical authorities understand sex and gender identity to be the same and that a
biology based definition of sex is "archaic".
Julianne Young
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:45 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:

The following (at the bottom with attachments) has been sent to all House and Senate members this weekend from Jamie O Neill (Not sure if this is the gay Irish author, but maybe). If you have a strong
counter, now would be a good time to send it. I am attaching the email addresses (here) so that they can be easily copied and pasted. Thank you in advance for helping us carry this forward. Getting to the
Senators now is especially important. I believe, and the opposition apparently suspects as well, that this is where the battle will be.
Representative Chris Abernathy <CAbernathy@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Jim Addis <JAddis@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Paul Amador <PAmador@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Neil A.
Anderson <NAnderson@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Robert Anderst <RAnderst@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Kevin Andrus <KAndrus@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Randy Armstrong
<Armstrong@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Vito Barbieri <VBar@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Scott Bedke <sbedke@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Steve Berch <SBerch@house.idaho.gov>;
Representative Megan Blanksma <MBlanksma@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Judy Boyle <jboyle@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Greg Chaney <GChaney@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Sue
Chew <schew@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Chad Christensen <CChristensen@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Lance W. Clow <LClow@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Gary Collins
<gcollins@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Brent Crane <bcrane@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Muffy Davis <MDavis@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Gayann DeMordaunt
<GDeMordaunt@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Sage Dixon <SDixon@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Barbara Ehardt <BEhardt@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Jake Ellis <JEllis@house.idaho.gov>;
Representative Rod Furniss <RFurniss@house.idaho.gov>; Representative John L. Gannon <JGannon@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Terry Gestrin <tgestrin@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Marc
Gibbs <mgibbs@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Priscilla Giddings <PGiddings@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Bill Goesling <BGoesling@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Brooke Green
<BGreen@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Steven C. Harris <SHarris@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Linda Wright Hartgen <LHartgen@house.idaho.gov>; Representative James Holtzclaw
<JHoltzclaw@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Wendy Horman <WendyHorman@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Clark Kauffman <CKauffman@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Ryan Kerby
<RKerby@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Mike Kingsley <MKingsley@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Megan Kiska <MKiska@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Laurie Lickley
<LLickley@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Gary Marshall <GMarshall@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Rob Mason <RMason@house.idaho.gov>; Representative John McCrostie
<JMcCrostie@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Ron Mendive <RMendive@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Jason Monks <JMonks@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Dorothy Moon
<DMoon@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Mike Moyle <mmoyle@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Lauren Necochea <LNecochea@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Tammy Nichols
<TNichols@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Joe A. Palmer <jpalmer@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Britt Raybould <BRaybould@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Jerald Raymond
<JRaymond@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Timothy Dewitt Remington <TRemington@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Doug Ricks <DRicks@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Ilana Rubel
<IRubel@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Heather Scott <HScott@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Paul Shepherd <pshepherd@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Elaine Smith
<esmith@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Thyra Stevenson <TStevenson@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Scott Syme <SSyme@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Sally Toone
<SToone@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Caroline Nilsson Troy <cntroy@house.idaho.gov>; Representative John Vander Woude <JVanderWoude@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Jarom Wagoner
<JWagoner@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Melissa Wintrow <MWintrow@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Tony Wisniewski <TWisniewski@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Fred Wood
<fwood@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Julianne Young <JYoung@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Rick D. Youngblood <RYoungblood@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Christy Zito
<CZito@house.idaho.gov>; Representative Bryan Zollinger <BZollinger@house.idaho.gov>; Senator Jeff Agenbroad <JAgenbroad@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Kelly Anthon <KAnthon@senate.idaho.gov>;
Senator Steve Bair <sbair@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Regina Bayer <RBayer@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Bert Brackett <bbrackett@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Cherie Buckner-Webb
<CBucknerWebb@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Grant Burgoyne <gburgoyne@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Van Burtenshaw <VBurtenshaw@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Don Cheatham
<DCheatham@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Carl Crabtree <CCrabtree@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Lori Den Hartog <LDenHartog@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Scott Grow <SGrow@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator
Jim Guthrie <JGuthrie@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Mark Harris <MHarris@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Lee Heider <lheider@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Brent Hill <bhill@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Dan
Johnson <djohnson@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Maryanne Jordan <MJordan@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Todd Lakey <TLakey@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Abby Lee <ALee@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator
Dave Lent <DLent@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Patti Anne Lodge <palodge@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Fred S. Martin <FMartin@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Dean Mortimer <dmortimer@senate.idaho.gov>;
Senator David Nelson <DNelson@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Mark Nye <mnye@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Jim Patrick <jpatrick@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Jim Rice <jrice@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator
Mary Souza <MSouza@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Michelle Stennett <MStennett@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Steven Thayn <sthayn@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Steve Vick <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>;
Senator Janie Ward-Engelking <JWardEngelking@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Chuck Winder <cwinder@senate.idaho.gov>; Senator Jim Woodward <JWoodward@senate.idaho.gov>
Good Afternoon Representatives and Senators.

Please find attached my opposition to House Bill No. 509.
The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), Standard of Care 7th Edition: https://wpath.org/publications/soc
Also attached for your reference is the following documents:
IOC Consensus Meeting on Sex Reassignment and Hyperandrogenism November 2015
NCAA Inclusion of Transgender Student-Athletes
Kind regards,
Jamie O'Neill
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 5:25 AM <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

You are absolutely right! That circular lie must be attacked and found to invalidate the original ruling or else
we are done.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 22, 2020, at 11:40 PM, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much for the feedback. One thing that keeps nagging at my mind along these lines is that the
court relied on a gender identity definition of sex in order to find that the state violated the equal
protection clause-- "We didn't treat the plaintiffs (biological males) like other women," etc. This ruling
was not about whether the plaintiffs could change their sex identifier, it was about whether it was lawful
for a state to identify citizens based on biology. In practice, the F.V. v Barron ruling ignored the
existing state defined biology based definition and imposed a new definition of sex on the state without
ever directly addressing an argument as to why this was justified. It was assumed via their circular
arguments. If there are court cases or other info which could help me attack the ruling from this angle it
could be helpful. Shouldn't a court be mandated to rule based on existing definitions in the law? As long
as people hold the ruling to be legitimate our fight will be much harder.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Almost right, Gary ... in Transtopia you are a man if and only if the State authenticates what you say
you are (and take that one step further ... a man is NOT a father because he is a man who sired a child;
he is only a father if the State says he is ... although this is also a consequence first of Obergefell).
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:

A point that keeps niggling at me is there is sort of a universal coercion from GEID theory. If I am
forced to affirm a person as transgender, perforce I must identify myself not as a male, but as a cis-
gender man. I'm not male because I was created male in the womb, but because I now think I am a man. And
it's not just semantics--adopting gender language means I have to abandon objective science and accept
the subjective malleable continuum of unprovable "genders" in place of real science.
You can't take one step into the alternate universe of trans without abandoning your own universe.
g.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:52 PM Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com> wrote:

Your spot on
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella


Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation
policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free
speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun
policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when
they are boys.

P.O. Box 637
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Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal

Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth
gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother
wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate
without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a
"blatant lie."
FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the

recommendation.
We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative,
Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the
acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members
of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a
Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V.
v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She countered
some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's
impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the
arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not
the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered
by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing
the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court
costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't
have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon
as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.

here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take
awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but
The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a
process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the
interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required
to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the
federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied
upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these
terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the
health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for
decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically
speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender
identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are
discriminatory.
Julianne Young

The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are
recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to
the Senate.

Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance
industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of accurate
information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences
in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the
legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively implement those research-based
policies.

Hello all,
I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate
side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working
toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are glad to have you on
board!
Julianne Young


Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please
weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week
from Wednesday.

Dear Friends,
Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We
anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards
the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to
keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public
Julianne Young



I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have
incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this
final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks
here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work
on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I

In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better
approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male
or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and
evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external
reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be
submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as
stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate
status.

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this
with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some
questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments
focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by
the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process
more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that
the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that
the decision of sex is appropriate based on that analysis and evaluation.
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate
status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is

Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions


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Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the
language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it
hard to know which thing is in response to what.

I think that works.

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Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather
The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of
sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of

I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where
the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,”
and perhaps have a conversation with them to that effect.
I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the

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Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending
(v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex
negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other
evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill.
Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested

1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final
designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of
medical authority?
indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this
to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking
it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the


Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male
and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an
XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of
disease: Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone!

Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A

Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are
claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind?
Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the
rigamarole and talk to me now!
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science.
Never!
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you
consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I
believe there is way to make this point, without using a word like "cis"
which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities
are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though

transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary
individuals do not say they are transgender. Many forms offer both
Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only
transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to
nonbinary? ~KC
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>

wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
wrote:
After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is
the insert some additional language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted
The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth
which provide vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including,
but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine
their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but
equal treatment under the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be
demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in
undermining the implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to
their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-
Based Gender Medicine has declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject
hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the
area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical
research.”
Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274);
and,
Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to
the performance of public and private policies and contracts.
The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability,
Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth:

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a
birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will
restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio,
and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested
edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

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I understand. Thank you for sharing your story and your expertise.
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 7:07 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Apologies, but it's not possible for me to come to Idaho, I've got too much going on healthwise.
James
On Sunday, February 23, 2020, 08:53:26 AM EST, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you James. I used your story and testimony in the House committee hearing. I was planning to distribute
copies of the documents you shared to the Senate committee. I we are able to get enough notice on the Senate side,
would you be interested in or able to also come testify there?
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 6:34 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Julianne,
>
> As mentioned previously, my recent court case can be used to help attack the gender identity problem, along the
>
> Checking out the wording in my petition and order.
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 11:40:21 PM EST, Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for the feedback. One thing that keeps nagging at my mind along these lines is that the court
relied on a gender identity definition of sex in order to find that the state violated the equal protection clause-
- "We didn't treat the plaintiffs (biological males) like other women," etc. This ruling was not about whether the
based on biology. In practice, the F.V. v Barron ruling ignored the existing state defined biology based
definition and imposed a new definition of sex on the state without ever directly addressing an argument as to why
this was justified. It was assumed via their circular arguments. If there are court cases or other info which
could help me attack the ruling from this angle it could be helpful. Shouldn't a court be mandated to rule based
on existing definitions in the law? As long as people hold the ruling to be legitimate our fight will be much
harder.
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 4:50 PM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Almost right, Gary ... in Transtopia you are a man if and only if the State authenticates what you say you are
(and take that one step further ... a man is NOT a father because he is a man who sired a child; he is only a
father if the State says he is ... although this is also a consequence first of Obergefell).
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:20 PM Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> A point that keeps niggling at me is there is sort of a universal coercion from GEID theory. If I am forced to
affirm a person as transgender, perforce I must identify myself not as a male, but as a cis-gender man. I'm not
male because I was created male in the womb, but because I now think I am a man. And it's not just semantics--
adopting gender language means I have to abandon objective science and accept the subjective malleable continuum of
>>>
>>> You can't take one step into the alternate universe of trans without abandoning your own universe.
>>>
>>> g.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 12:52 PM Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Your spot on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:48 PM, Michelle Cretella
>>>>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing people to
don't know what is!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mary E. McAlister, Esq.
>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>> Child & Parental Rights Campaign
>>>>>> P.O. Box 637
>>>>>> Monroe, VA 24574
>>>>>> 434 610-0873
>>>>>> mmcalister@childparentrights.org
>>>>>> childparentrights.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 1:36 PM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haven't had a chance to watch the hearing, but was this argument part of the testimony?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When birth certificates
her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her
husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the bill and the House
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/CoalitionKelsey/status/1231246802189475842?s=20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If any of you are on twitter, please retweet. Thank you! -K
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 9:42 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a do-pass
recommendation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative,
committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill
is motivated by animus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in F.V. v
statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy
and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law
minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I
brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already decided this issue. By
passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled
with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't
have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The video of the hearing is available
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Counter arguments I am considering include:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would sincerely appreciate legal feedback and suggestions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 7:34 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our meetings are
usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 2:59 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the insurance industry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 6:05 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on the Senate side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 9:54 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one last document-- This is an op-ed/ press statement if it passes muster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to comment on it and mark it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking points. Please weigh
in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full hearing will be a week from Wednesday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FckQ5aKuniUTqJ8psNrWRRIYTNzn84uqLvQWRyj4FGI/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 8:12 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We
week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also,
I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post
ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 1:38 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any last comments are invited. We'll RS at the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 2:27 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And one more small change from our attorney general in 39-245A (1) (iv) and (v).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 9:56 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And with one more small change in (4) as recommended by ADF.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:53 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated
what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics
draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at
our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better
approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after
occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be
submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts on this idea?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with
the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They raised some good questions regarding (5) though:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the questions raised by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 10:41 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from “separate but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05
PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question about the
language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes it hard to know which thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 9:52 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:18 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a summary rather than a
quote as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the conflation of sex and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of* unintended medical harm, and will greatly impede medical research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm not sure addresses your fundamental concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 7:47 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if the Society for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms into the record.
lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>;
Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>;
Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette
Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by
Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on
process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics
in most instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have raised 2 other good questions:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation
of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am attaching the current (final) draft :) for your comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your help in ironing out these final wrinkles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Representative Young
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm?
A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I feel better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BH
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider
without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are
based.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only transgender
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is great, I love it. Thank you for doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to
appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral
laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently applied since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of
others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as “data,” (being
the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and prima facie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal
definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public trust;
and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:34 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired from the medical
experts).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to
Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard L. Mast, Esq.*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Litigation Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Offices in DC, FL, and VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Licensed in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This message and any attachment are intended for the person to whom it is addressed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.KelseyCoalition.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.KelseyCoalition.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> --
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>
Attachment:
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 3/19/2020 12:27:39 PM
To: "margaretclarke317@icloud.com" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>,
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath
Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
"Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Matt Sharp"
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
Amen
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:17 PM, Margaret Clarke

<margaretclarke317@icloud.com> wrote:
Dear Fred,

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Here is a link to my Facebook page where I posted my comments, as I provided them to CNN, along with a link to
their 'news coverage' of H509. https://www.facebook.com/YoungForIdahoHouse/
Julianne Young

Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to
the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young
business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about
adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the Democrats
will be attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.


Thanks.


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https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-gender-markers-on-birth-
certificates
James
don't know what is!

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that
a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
recommendation.
>>>>
animus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring
the accuracy of material statistics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available live online or recorded if any are
>>>>>
sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based
private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability
to effectively implement those research-based policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday and are working toward a full hearing a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our efforts! We anticipate
a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and have incorporated what
I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending this final draft [vital statistics draft(3)
draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so
I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach
may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and that after
undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring
internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and
(5).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Friday, January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
response to what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
quote as follows:
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Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be changed, or not. If they testify, and
are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
lose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret
Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique
Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
January 24
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on
process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics
in most instances.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point, without using
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appreciated.
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nation's founding.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others
and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of
transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical
research.”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and
a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics; and,
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quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and biological
sex.
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experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Julianne and Steve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an opportunity for expert testimony, but I leave the details on that to
Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
computer, because any distribution of this message by you is strictly prohibited. Email cannot be guaranteed
secure or error-free. We do not accept responsibility for errors that result from email transmissions. Opinions
expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the organization.
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From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 3/21/2020 7:24:38 AM
To: "jamie.shupe@yahoo.com" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
It is true no one can "transition" a myth and indeed what I have for many years "identified" as a medical fraud to
change a birth document to a different gender when it never has happened.
Walt
Fred,
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young




Sent from my iPhone
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
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that effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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organization.
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>
--
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 3/21/2020 7:47:05 AM
To: "jamie.shupe@yahoo.com" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Walt
Fred,
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young





Sent from my iPhone
James

>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Julianne Young
>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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Sent: 3/21/2020 2:44:19 PM
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I was not aware of that until after the fact when you told me.
Many people still do not know what to do with the people and this is an example.
Walt
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:36 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
Is it readily apparent that I'm still highly pissed about what I would describe as getting blindsided upon learning that Fred's plan was to have trans-identifying people, who's position was
that it was medically necessary for them to transition, to testify for his bill?
Walt
Fred,
Blessings,
James

Julianne Young

Julianne Young





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From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 3/30/2020 4:29:52 PM
To: "juliannehyoung@gmail.com" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Awesome
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 8:26 PM, Julianne Young

<juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,

Julianne Young

Julianne Young

Hey Julianne:
(781) 890-6001
@MassResistance
@CAMassResistanc

To: Arthur Schaper
hurt our community.

youth.

campaigns team.
Thanks,
Hannah Willard,
LIKE FOLLOW DONATE

These are subject to possible veto or signing through the 31st. If they are not been vetoed before 6:33 PM on
the 31st they can become law even if they are not signed. We need to continue letting the governor know that
these are important to us. Thank you.
Julianne Young


Fred,
I've wrestled with whether or not I should bite my tongue or in a military-style "after actions review" kinda
way, I should chime in with how I saw things play out.
Okay, so first off, I'm grateful for your courage to do this bill because it's a big strike in the right
direction. I'm also saddened that you're taking a lot of heat, but that was to be expected and you knew that
was coming going into the fight. All that said, there were, however, in my view some serious problems in, for
a lack of a better word, the "campaign" to pass the legislation. As I stated previously, I thought it was a
horribly bad idea to have folks that are still trans-identifying testifying or otherwise involved. You have to
consider that if you were to somehow piss them off, they could turn all of our emails over the ACLU, etc. That
was literally like having people testifying "don't do this, even though I'm doing it because it's lifesaving."
And, of course, the argument from your foes was "we can help people like those folks do it even better, and
without the surgeries, because we got them young when they most needed the help." So that was an all-around
bad idea. Next up, as I understood it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but your platform was that you
weren't against adults transitioning. Let's all be honest, there's no such thing as transitioning, and the
harm in that approach is it's being complicit in unleashing these folks on females. By condoning the creation
of these trans adults, it's being complicit in allowing them to compete in female sports, invade women's
spaces such as bathrooms, locker rooms, homeless shelters, prisons, the compelled speech, pronoun issues, etc.
There's real harm in that and it's something I've stood against even before I desisted.
In the future, I think a better approach in this regard is to say we support adults having autonomy over their
bodies but we refuse to participate in the delusion that they've changed sex because of gender identity or
because of the medical treatments. Further, these adults have to take responsibility for the changes they've
made to their bodies in regard to how they navigate society and even the medical system. To be crass, cutting
my penis off doesn't warrant me getting into a female bathroom because it's a choice I made as an adult with
So again, Fred, I am truly grateful for your hard work and willingness to do this because it's put the
language and framework into place for other states to hopefully be successful. I just hope they come at it
differently.
I'm legally back to James now, so it's time to put Jamie to rest, forever. Jamie was a failed medical and
psychiatric experiment, nothing more.
Blessings,
James

Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>;
Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast
<RMast@lc.org>; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Dr. Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; David
Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn
Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>;
MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp
Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>;
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

Yesterday H500, a bill protecting female athletes from being displaced by biological males, was debated in
the Senate and passed 11 to 24. I believe the vote will be similar on H509. It is now about bill number 30
on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to
the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps,
tomorrow.
Julianne Young

been hanging on the Senate third reading calendar waiting for a floor vote for several days and they are
not moving business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking
about adjourning mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the


I believe that our ability to address the negative AG opinion which came out Friday (after H509 passed
the House) will be critical. I'm attaching the opinion (with my scribbles). Your criticism and

I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be
more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to
think about what we will present and who might be able to testify. I will let you know as soon as I
have more information.

Sent from my iPhone
Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a
bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your
involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave
birth to a son. You have zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your
health history and is happening to KC parents in many
states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
As these bills are advanced, I think it's important to do at least some education on the
history of gender identity, even if just briefly, because I don't believe there are very many
lawmakers that are actually knowledgeable on the topic. No doubt many of them will find it
disturbing to learn they're older than the quack theories behind the whole sham.
James
On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 02:48:38 PM EST, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>

wrote:
But it is even worse than any other example in history in the sense that the State is forcing
people to participate in a lie akin to 2+2=5 ... I mean NO ONE should have to appeal to
their "Freedom of Religion/Conscience" to stand up against 2+2=5 / a man is NOT a woman! If
this is not the definition of insane I don't know what is!

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school
affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement,
which violates free speech and free exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally).
That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to
>
> P.O. Box 637
> Monroe, VA 24574
> 434 610-0873
>
>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a
legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an
unwilling party to party to that legal fiction...parents whose legal records state they gave
birth to a son when they really gave birth to a daughter.
>>
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>>
>>> Thank you, Julianne. Have you considered the argument from the parent perspective? When
birth certificates are changed, they create a legal fiction involving unwilling parents: That
a mother who gave birth to a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as
last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can
change her birth certificate without her permission. As she stated, she and her husband do
>>>
>>> FYI, to encourage people to write to Idaho House members, I tweeted out a link to the
bill and the House Members' emails here:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The House State Affairs committee sent our bill to the floor on a party line vote with a
do-pass recommendation.
>>>>
representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is
uncharacteristic of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of
the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony
would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this bill is motivated by
animus.
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>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the
plaintiffs in F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her
testimony). She countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been
robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the
state conceded everything and the arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed
only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I
brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they have already
decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found
in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate
republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong
counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next
Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by the end of the week.
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here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take
awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before
mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute
does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but
establishes a process by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This
process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
>>>>
>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts
are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch,
including on the federal level, has consistently acted on a biological definition of sex.
Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their
ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the compelling interest
of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies
have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions
between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these
distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we
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>>>> Julianne Young
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>>>>> The Idaho Vital Statistics Act will be heard tomorrow morning in State Affairs. Our
meetings are usually at 9 but I won't be surprised if we start at 8 AM. It will be available
live online or recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will
help as we head to the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a contact in the research and statistics world or someone in the
insurance industry (medical or car) that could provide a statement explaining the value of
accurate information regarding biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific
differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we
fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability to effectively
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am adding Senator Steve Vick to this email group. He will be carrying the bill on
the Senate side. We are on the agenda to print the bill in House State Affairs on Thursday
and are working toward a full hearing a week from Wednesday. Welcome Senator Vick! We are
glad to have you on board!
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>>>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your help and input. Here is an outline of talking
points. Please weigh in and share cautions, resources, or additional ideas. Our full
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>>>>>>>>>> Attached below is the draft which we RS'd on Friday. The Lord is blessing our
efforts! We anticipate a print hearing in House State Affairs this Wednesday and a full
hearing towards the beginning of next week. I am working on talking points and a press
release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on
plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on some drafts which I will post
ASAP.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to visit with Matt Sharpe at ADF about my previous questions and
have incorporated what I believe is a much improved strategy in section (5). I am sending
this final draft [vital statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks
here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on
securing support from the governor's office. Leadership appears to be supportive so I have
good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 12:19 PM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that
a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of
male or female and that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and
evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy
a signed affidavit from the parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the
presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates
the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:55 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to
share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have
raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one
provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the
process more clear to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical
professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the
indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback
is appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you receive the email I attempted to add as 'reply to all' with the
questions raised by our Department of Health and Welfare vital statistics folks?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The comment was re SEGM language; I second the motion to stay away from
“separate but equal.” “Differential treatment” is fine.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February
5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity
Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Richard-- just to be clear is your comment in regard to the question
about the language from SEGM or the 'differential treatment' language? Or both? Gmail makes
it hard to know which thing is in response to what.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will did respond with the following suggestion that we incorporate a
summary rather than a quote as follows:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The society of evidence-based gender medicine has declared that the
conflation of sex and gender in health care is alarming, subjects hundreds of thousands of
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with removing the SEGM quote from the findings. I do not know if
the Society for Evidenced Based Gender Medicine is on our side, to where the quote can be
changed, or not. If they testify, and are on our side, I would be very wary of them saying
anything regarding TG, CG or “non-binary,” and perhaps have a conversation with them to that
effect.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would not want to see anyone on our side intentionally put those terms
into the record. Using them surrenders the language. Language frames the debate. If the other
side’s language frames the debate, we lose.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LC.org
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<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Steve Smith
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly
Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>;
mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the
bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex
negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be
introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback
from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated in the process piece of
the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the
final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical
authority?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not
resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this
to prevent certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the
courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve
this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 9:08 AM Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gee Whiz!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact,
we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an
XY, female or male. Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease:
Turner’s Syndrome, Klinefelter’s Syndrome, etc.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for
everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary,
then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? “I am Zero!”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that
you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind?
Take a look, please. See? Right! You are a male or female so stop with the rigamarole and
talk to me now!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions,
political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in
science. Never!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Kelsey Coalition
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would
you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there
is way to make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the
ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though
transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say
they are transgender. Many forms offer both categories for people to check when they identify
themselves.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will, could SEGM consider rewording this -- something like "not only
transgender individuals, but ALL persons" as well as add a reference to nonbinary? ~KC
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:35 AM Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 9:43 AM Julianne Young
<juliannehyoung@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that
the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional
language into our legislative intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My
additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining
accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide
vital statistics fundamental to the performance of government functions that secure the
public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends,
assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping individuals determine their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not
facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the
biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under
the law and a defined category of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category
which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts
the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the
implementation of many policies which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests
of individuals specific to their biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has
declared that “the conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to
subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to
unintended medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect
treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of
transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in
other areas of medical research.”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Vital statistics” is defined in Idaho Code Section 39-241(21) as
“data,” (being the plural of “datum”) which is a known fact; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idaho certificates of birth are of an evidentiary character and
prima facie evidence of the facts recited therein (Code Section 39-274); and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have
been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and
legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public
trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of
birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho
Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill,
to reverse a recent court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This
will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates
to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julianne has a short window to receive comments (especially desired
from the medical experts).
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some
edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up
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Brilliant!
PLEASE MAKE THIS TEAM AWARE OF THAT LANGUAGE!
Blessings!
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:26 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Michelle,
Speaking of the sex assigned at birth issue, I made sure my new Oregon order used the phrase observed at birth.
James
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 1:16 PM, Michelle Cretella

Richard,
Re: the bill itself, I am not convinced that the specific DSDs should be named and described (section 5) and
defer to Dr. Paul Hruz's expertise. Otherwise, I believe that it looks good.
Reference:
Best,
Michelle
(Dr. Cretella)

All,
Steve.
Thanks,

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Cc: "Julianne Young" <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Steve Smith"
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister"
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act
Seems reasonable as written.
What currently happens if a baby is born with ambiguous genitalia?
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On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:
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Julianne,
It looks like this email only came to me, so I am looping in everyone on the larger group, per your request.

Liberty Counsel
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My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A
(4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the
1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!

Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and
safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today
which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from
being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?

Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male.
Otherwise, a bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See?
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to
make this point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are


that â€œthe conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying
research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
public trust; and

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From: Richard Mast
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To: "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Steve Smith"
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
"McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick
Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Matt Sharp"
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Kaycee Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov"
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Subject: RE: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act
Well said, Margaret.

Also, I would like to introduce Dr. Paul Church to the group. Dr. Church has also been a fighter, even at the cost of his work at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Paul Church <piman71@gmail.com>

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Julianne Young

on the Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps,
tomorrow.
Julianne Young




I heard from the Speaker last night that we will have a hearing for H509 on the Senate side. I will be more confident in this when I hear it from the chairman, but I have good reason to hope. It's time to think about

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Although we all know this whole thing is ridiculous and it is Orwellian that we have to have a bill to say that 1+1=2, I think sometimes people can see this issue more clearly when we can personalize the issue.
Consider if you are a mother of a daughter. One day your daughter could decide without your involvement to change her birth certificate. This legal document would now say that you gave birth to a son. You have
zero say. This document is a lie about your personal life and your health history and is happening to KC parents in many states. https://transgenderlawcenter.org/resources/id/state-by-state-overview-changing-
James

> Excellent point Dr. C. That is one of the arguments we are making regarding the school affirmation policies, i.e., the state is compelling students to utter a false statement, which violates free speech and free
exercise rights (or rights of conscience generally). That's underlying pronoun policies and privacy facilities use policies requiring children to affirm classmates are girls when they are boys.
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>> Just to expand a bit on the parent argument...it not simply the state being complicit in a legal fiction (that a girl was actually born a boy), but it is the state compelling an unwilling party to party to that legal
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a daughter gave birth to a son, and vice versa. As recently as last month, a mother wrote to us expressing absolute shock that her young adult daughter can change her birth certificate without her permission. As she
stated, she and her husband do not want their names connected to a "blatant lie."
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>>>> We had some great testimony (in opposition) from the National Organization of Women representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic of the acceptance and
kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a court be seeking evidence that this
bill is motivated by animus.
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some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the arguments make
(based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the court and that they
have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway moderate republicans in the
House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday and must be transmitted to the Senate by
the end of the week.
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>>>> The video of the hearing is available here: https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open. It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill
right before mine but it only took a couple of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
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>>>> The proposed statute complies with the requirement of the injunction in that the statute does not automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process by which
those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the state in ensuring the accuracy of material statistics.
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>>>> The legislature rejects the argument that biological sex is gender identity. Courts are required to observe the definitions established in the law. The legislative branch, including on the federal level, has
consistently acted on a biological definition of sex. Yet, this court relied upon the conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the law severely undermines the
compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because of the material distinctions between male
and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we must also find that all sex-based distinctions are
discriminatory.
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biological sex as a qualifying characteristic for sex specific differences in policies, etc? These are research based private policies. When we fundamentally alter the legal definition of sex we undercut their ability
to effectively implement those research-based policies.
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of next week. I am working on talking points and a press release. We need to keep our messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing. I am working on
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statistics draft(3) attached below] to you, to ADF , and to our folks here a vital statistics. Hopefully we are near or at our final draft so that we can work on securing support from the governor's office. Leadership
appears to be supportive so I have good reason to hope we will soon have a hearing. Thank you again for your help!
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In regard to the last question: a colleague who is an attorney suggested that a better approach may be to stipulate that the physician make a presumptive determination of male or female and
that after undergoing the appropriate combination of genetic analysis and evaluation of the individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the parents and the
physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended indeterminate status.
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39-245A (4) and (5).
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to the public. I believe the changes to (4) are straightforward.
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to specify any requirements should that be the case?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 12:05 PMTo: Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act
- short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
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McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Michelle Cretella
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health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have
incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this
point, without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The legislature finds a compelling interest in maintaining accurate, quantitative, biology-based statistics on Idaho certificates of birth which provide vital statistics fundamental to
the performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations, and helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The equality clause prohibits purposeful discrimination and not facially neutral laws of general applicability such as a biology-based definition of sex which has been consistently
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe
conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence,
but also in other areas of medical research.â€
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Age and Sex, unlike the names of natural parents whose rights have been terminated, are legally applicable facts fundamental to the performance of public and private policies
and contracts.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The failure to maintain accurate, quantitative vital statistics and legal definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the public
trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital
statistics; and,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore, the legislature directs that an Idaho certificate of birth documents specific quantitative, material facts at the time of birth: time of birth, date of birth, place of birth and
biological sex.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent
court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas, Ohio, and
Tennessee.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
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Sent: 3/20/2020 6:07:21 PM
Cc: "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Michelle
Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Steve Smith" <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy
Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Kaycee Heyer"
"sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>, "Paul Church" <piman71@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act
Thank you for the introduction and the kind words of encouragement that keep us all going! Idaho House members
pushed hard to stay the 5 days to be able to over-ride a governor's veto but we lost and our session concluded this
morning. This means that the governor will have 10 days rather than 5 with no legislative counter-balance in play
to sign or veto bills. That 10 days will end on March 30th for H509. Working hard to activate phone calls and
email until then. If anyone has networks interested in supporting, or is interested in making a personal contact
with the governor's office, this next ten days is the time to do it. 208-334-2100 governor@gov.idaho.gov
Thank you for your prayers and help!
Julianne Young
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 7:11 AM Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org> wrote:

Well said, Margaret.
Also, I would like to introduce Dr. Paul Church to the group. Dr. Church has also been a fighter, even at the cost of his work at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. Paul Church <piman71@gmail.com>

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Senate third reading calendar. I continue to pray that we get a vote before we are disbanded due to
the coronavirus. If we adjourn, it will die. It could be late today if bills move quickly or, perhaps, tomorrow.
Julianne Young



Thanks.


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certificates
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<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret
Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique
Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>;
Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
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incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of
transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical
research.”
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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Attachment:
From: Richard Mast
Sent: 2/5/2020 11:47:19 AM
Cc: "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Steve Smith"
<steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert
Subject: RE: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act
Julianne,
It looks like this email only came to me, so I am looping in everyone on the larger group, per your request.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

My apologies if this is redundant. I have tried to 'reply all' in order to share this with the larger group but I'm not sure that it worked. If you could ensure that the larger group has access to this request I would
Our vital statistics folks in the Department of Health and Welfare have raised some questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily on 39-245A (4) and (5).
They wanted to ensure that the language stipulated that the affidavit be one provided by the department and asked that we make some changes in formatting to make the process more clear to the public. I believe

1- Our current language does not require verification from a medical professional that the appropriate chromosomal analysis and evaluation of anatomy has taken place and that the decision of sex is appropriate
2- Our language is silent about what happens if they don't resolve the indeterminate status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do we need to specify any
The drafter and I took a stab at it in the attached draft. Again, feedback is appreciated. Thank you to those who are providing review on this!

Based on the feedback I will not include the quote from SEGM in the bill, amending (v) on page 2, line 46-47 to simply state that the erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all
individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing, rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department today which I have incorporated
in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested using 'material fact' rather than vital statistics in most instances.
1) In section 5, do we not want a medical authority to certify to the final designation of sex? If so, do we want to limit this to a particular type of medical authority?
2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent certificates from being left in an
unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?


Gee Whiz!
Humans are the only living species of Homo Sapiens. Given that fact, we are male and female, there is no other. We are mammals, giving birth, carrying a XX or an XY, female or male. Otherwise, a
bizarre abnormality results in a state of disease: Turnerâ€™s Syndrome, Klinefelterâ€™s Syndrome, etc.
Everybody is transgender, no one is transsexual, cis-gender is true for everyone! Try not to use the nomenclature of non-science.
Non-binary?!?!? Disneyland comes to science. You are non-binary, then what? A worm? A worker bee? A penguin in a European zoo? An ant? â€œI am Zero!â€
Listen: Talk to me! Be real! Stop! No, no, you meant to say that you are claiming something that does not exist except in your mind? Got it? Your mind? Take a look, please. See? Right! You are
Throw out words or phrases that have have shifting definitions, political realms, identity's unscientific, and whims and notions that are NEVER studied in science. Never!
I feel better.
BH

Looks great! My only concern is with the quote from SEGM. Will, would you consider this? First, the reference"cisgender-identifying individuals." I believe there is way to make this point,
without using a word like "cis" which indirectly endorses the ideology upon which transgender identities are based.
My other suggestion with the quote is to add non-binary. Even though transgender has become an umbrella term covering both, some nonbinary individuals do not say they are transgender.


After visiting with Stephen Smith last night I have determined that the best way to counter the arguments raised in the law-suit is the insert some additional language into our legislative
intent, rather than addressing another section of code. My additions are highlighted below. Your feedback is sincerely appreciated.
performance of government functions that secure the public health and safety, including, but not limited to, identifying public health trends, assessing risks, conducting criminal investigations,
and helping individuals determine their biological lineage, citizenship, or susceptibility to genetic disorders; and,
Decades of court opinion have upheld the argument that the biological distinctions between male and female justify separate but equal treatment under the law and a defined category
of sex which relies on biological fact is the only category which can be demonstrated to have obvious, immutable, and distinguishable characteristics.
The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies which have
been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their biological sex.
The erasure of biological sex negatively impacts the health and safety of all individuals. For example, the Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine has declared that â€œthe
medical harm from receiving incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific research, not only in the area of transgender
treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome evidence, but also in other areas of medical research.â€
contracts.
and
Government has a compelling interest in maintaining the public trust and confidence and a duty to fulfill, to the best of its ability, those functions which rely on accurate vital statistics;
and,
biological sex.

All,
Please meet Steve Smith, an Idaho allied attorney, and Idaho Representative Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent
court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo, making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex,
along with Kansas, Ohio, and Tennessee.
Matt Sharp provided ADF factual findings for the recitals and some edits. I have accepted his changes; made a few suggested edits of my own, and thus open it up to you all for
any input for Julianne and Steve.
Thanks,

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Sent: 1/10/2020 11:36:34 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: idea to send to pringle on GIRL Act
So true! ฀
Sent from my iPhone
Michelle,
It was nothing short of alarming but I attended Family Policy Alliance's Statesmen Academy for junior lawmakers this summer in Atlanta as a guest speaker.
During meals, etc., I engaged a couple of state representatives with the question of "how much do you know about the history of gender identity?"
They knew nothing!
I alerted the Family Policy Alliance about that too, advising an addition to the curriculum for future training events.
Totally nutty that folks making and policing law on gender identity, which would encompass most of the Democratic party's top leadership as well, no nothing about gender
identity other than to be behind it and for it. Explains how we've arrived here so quickly.
James
On Friday, January 10, 2020, 01:16:13 PM EST, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
YOU may have SALVAGED THIS. see below:

They are also going to get a well worded act from another state to him!
From: Becky <Becky@alabamaeagle.org>
Date: Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:57 PM
Subject: idea to send to pringle on GIRL Act
To: Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, alaeagle@charter.net <alaeagle@charter.net>, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>
What about something like this to him?

Hi Rep Pringle, I wanted to reach out and thank you for sponsoring the GIRL Act. I wasn’t sure if you pre-filed it yet. The transgender issue is one that Eagle Forum has heavily
researched and been involved with for some time. We are working on another important piece of legislation dealing with the medical side of transitioning. We want to do our
best to educate the public and lawmakers on the inconsistent history of gender identity and in the harm of using the word gender instead of sex.
Here is a quote from www.GenderResourceGuide.com that you might find helpful. Gender proposes a conception of human identity that is chosen, fluid, and not objectively
verifiable. Gender can directly contradict sex, the observable and unchangeable biological status of being either male or female. A gender identity policy will, for example,
typically allow students to enter restrooms regardless of their sex, or how well a student adheres to stereotypes of the opposite sex, demonstrating that these policies do not
consider gender to be either sex, sex stereotypes, or behavioral aspects of sex. To prevent confusion, avoid the term “gender” and use the term “sex” instead.
Please know we are here to help you and we applaud your efforts. We ask that you would consider revising your language to say biological sex vs gender. I think you will like
this terrific resource that will help you in your talking points to other legislators. If you would like us to provide a bound copy for you we would be happy to.
Feel free to call me anytime. We are here to help. Thanks again!
Becky Gerritson
Executive Director
334-452-0453
Becky@alabamaeagle.org
www.AlabamaEagle.org
Sent: 12/31/2019 8:38:03 AM
Cc: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "vbroyles@childparentrights.org" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary
McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Michelle Cretella"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
"Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>
Subject: Re: Important News: Success With My Oregon Court Case
James, thatâ€™s great news. Regards, Will
On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:28 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
Working with the Oregon attorney that ADF secured, I crafted language in the petition I hope will be useful in future legal battles and prevent further use of the non-binary court
order to advance that agenda.
Blessings,
James Shupe
<2019_12_11 PETITION FOR CHANGE OF NAME & SEX as
filed.pdf><James.Shupe.Male.Sex.Name.Change.Complete.Scan.With.Seal.pdf>
Sent: 12/31/2019 10:59:39 AM
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "vbroyles@childparentrights.org"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Fred
Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>
James,
Wonderful way to kick off the New Year!
Cheers!
Michelle
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:38 AM William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:

James, that’s great news. Regards, Will
On Dec 31, 2019, at 8:28 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
Working with the Oregon attorney that ADF secured, I crafted language in the petition I hope will be useful in future legal battles and prevent further use of the non-binary court
order to advance that agenda.
Blessings,
James Shupe
<2019_12_11 PETITION FOR CHANGE OF NAME & SEX as
filed.pdf><James.Shupe.Male.Sex.Name.Change.Complete.Scan.With.Seal.pdf>
Attachment:
From: Richard Mast
Sent: 1/1/2020 9:36:29 AM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Important News: Success With My Oregon Court Case
Attachments: Ltr - to Haverford schools regarding Policy 259.docx
Great work, James.
You ought to do a cover letter for those, where you can easily send it to school boards considering TG affirmation policies, telling your story. If you CC local media, particularly in rural areas, you are likely to get
press coverage.
Attached is a draft that Walt Heyer and I collaborated on. It has gone to a number of school districts.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:29 AM
To: Mike Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; vbroyles@childparentrights.org; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; drmcretella@gmail.com; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Richard Mast
<RMast@LC.org>
All,
Working with the Oregon attorney that ADF secured, I crafted language in the petition I hope will be useful in future legal battles and prevent further use of the non-binary court order to advance that agenda.
Blessings,
James Shupe
Attachment:
Sent: 1/1/2020 2:33:50 PM
Cc: "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, vbroyles@childparentrights.org, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, drmcretella@gmail.com, "Pamosa27"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>
Fantastic news James! Thanks for seeing that through.

Sanity prevails, even in Oregon.
-Mike
All,
Blessings,
James Shupe
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 12/31/2019 7:29:44 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "vbroyles@childparentrights.org" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "drmcretella@gmail.com"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>
Cc:
Subject: RE: Important News: Success With My Oregon Court Case
Congrats! - Fred

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:29 AM
To: Mike Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; vbroyles@childparentrights.org; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; drmcretella@gmail.com; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Richard Mast
<rmast@lc.org>
All,
Blessings,
James Shupe
Sent: 2/11/2019 3:25:04 PM
Cc: Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Introductions
Jamie,
I am honored to meet you!
Thanks for the courage to speak out.
Michelle
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 6:04 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut him up! For now...
And Jamie, you know Dr. Michelle Cretella, she was also critical in helping us in Rocklin when they were pushing trans madness into our schools. And of course she has so many great writings,
videos, etc.
Mike
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 2/11/2019 3:49:31 PM
To: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com
Hello Michelle,
I'm equally honored to meet you as well.
Great news arrived in the mail today. The VA wrote sex change letters confirming that I am male and officially changing me back.
With that, the next move begins. To kill my landmark non-binary court order.
Keep that under your hats, for now, please, though.
Jamie
On Monday, February 11, 2019, 6:25:17 PM EST, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Jamie,
Michelle
Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut him up! For now...
And Jamie, you know Dr. Michelle Cretella, she was also critical in helping us in Rocklin when they were pushing trans madness into our schools. And of course she has so many great writings,
videos, etc.
Mike
Sent: 2/11/2019 3:54:49 PM
Cc: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
You are awesome.

And I don't know what you are talking about. :0)

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut him up! For
now...
And Jamie, you know Dr. Michelle Cretella, she was also critical in helping us in Rocklin when they were pushing trans madness into our schools. And of course she has so many great
writings, videos, etc.
Mike
Sent: 2/11/2019 4:01:31 PM
Oh, I'm sorry - I knew what you meant. I was trying to be funny as in "I will keep it under my hat b/c I already
forgot what you said".
My humor is not always clear over email.

Michelle,
I'm gonna try to get a judge to change my sex back to male. I was the first person in the U.S. to ever be declared legally non-binary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Shupe
You are awesome.

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
now...
Mike
Sent: 2/11/2019 4:16:31 PM
Amen!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:04 PM, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
No worries, I can be slow figuring out whitty replies.
I look forward to everyone working together in the time ahead.
We have much to do and many challenges. But they can be overcome.
Oh, I'm sorry - I knew what you meant. I was trying to be funny as in "I will keep it under my hat b/c I already forgot what you said".
Michelle,
You are awesome.

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut him
up! For now...
And Jamie, you know Dr. Michelle Cretella, she was also critical in helping us in Rocklin when they were pushing trans madness into our schools. And of course she has so many
great writings, videos, etc.
Mike
Sent: 2/11/2019 4:39:04 PM
To: "Jamie Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Hi Jamie and Andre,

Jamie, I'm going to introduce you to another important person in our physician group, Dr. Andre Van Mol. He's got a
number of great writings as well, and we are periodically "co-conspirators" at our capitol in California speaking
out on trans madness.
Andre, you can see the email thread below.
Jamie, we'll certainly keep quiet on your legal matters. Thanks for letting us know!
Mike
On 2019-02-11 16:04, Jamie Shupe wrote:

Michelle,
You are awesome.
Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
now...
Mike
Sent: 2/11/2019 5:31:07 PM
Cc: "Jamie Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
PS:
In addition to being a smart doc, Andre doubles as our lead comedian which is great for morale even on the toughest
days!

Hi Jamie and Andre,
Jamie, I'm going to introduce you to another important person in our physician group, Dr. Andre Van Mol. He's got a number of great writings as well, and we are periodically "co-conspirators"
at our capitol in California speaking out on trans madness.
Mike
Michelle,
You are awesome.

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
now...
Mike
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 2/11/2019 7:09:31 PM
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Good evening, Jamie.
It’s an honor to make your e-quaintance. Your court proceedings I will keep confidential until you say otherwise.
Great to hear about the VA decision. I and several of our team separately wrote letters to the VA last year when
they requested public comment on proposed pro-trans changes. You are doing a mighty thing that will protect and save
many lives.
Gratefully,
Andre
On Feb 11, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Hi Jamie and Andre,

Jamie, I'm going to introduce you to another important person in our physician group, Dr. Andre Van Mol. He's got a number of great writings as well, and we are periodically "co-
conspirators" at our capitol in California speaking out on trans madness.
Mike

Michelle,
You are awesome.

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle

Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut
him up! For now...
Mike
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 2/11/2019 8:13:39 PM
Cc:
Nice read, Jamie.
Andre
On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Andre,
I wrote one to VA also.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=VA-2018-VACO-0001-2080
Great hearing from you!
Look forward to future endeavors.
Jamie
On Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:09:36 PM EST, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Good evening, Jamie.

It’s an honor to make your e-quaintance. Your court proceedings I will keep confidential until you say otherwise. Great to hear about the VA decision. I and several of our team separately wrote letters to the VA
last year when they requested public comment on proposed pro-trans changes. You are doing a mighty thing that will protect and save many lives.
Gratefully,
Andre
On Feb 11, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Hi Jamie and Andre,

Jamie, I'm going to introduce you to another important person in our physician group, Dr. Andre Van Mol. He's got a number of great writings as well, and we are periodically "co-
conspirators" at our capitol in California speaking out on trans madness.
Mike

Michelle,
You are awesome.

Hello Michelle,
Jamie
Jamie,
Michelle
Great pleasure to introduce Jamie Shupe to you Michelle. As you know he wrote the great federalist article and has also been making a lot of noise on Twitter. So they shut
him up! For now...
Mike
From: VBroyles
Sent: 7/30/2019 1:16:36 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: James Shupe Contact Info
James
The pleasure was truly mine in hearing and meeting you last week. Thank you for sharing your affidavit with me,
which is really your story. I appreciate (and applaud) your willingness to be of help where a child is involved.
Don’t ever stop being an emotional and gentle man — indeed, isn’t that the essence of “gentleman”.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
On Jul 29, 2019, at 3:44 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
<jamie.shupe.affidavit.pdf>
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 10/30/2019 8:15:53 PM
To: "Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>
Cc: "Haynes Laura" <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Brooks Roger"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "McCaleb Gary" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Keller Jonathan"
<jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Burt Greg" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kaiser study
Miriam, since you are testifying and this subject is of potential use to the whole team, please find below the
mental section of my GD/TGism summary paper I put together for the Harris SCOTUS case amicus.
Andre
MENTAL HEALTH/CO-MORBIDITIES IN GENDER DYSPHORIA
1. THEY ARE PRESENT AND THERE CAN BE MANY.
2015 Finlandâ€™s gender identity services
Â· â€œ75% of adolescents [assessed] had been or were currently undergoing child and adolescent psychiatric treatment
for reasons other than gender dysphoriaâ€
Â· 26% had an autism spectrum disorder
Â· 87% were female, far disproportionate to past ratios of F:M.
(Kaltiala-Heino R, Sumia M, TyÃ¶lÃ¤jÃ¤rvi M, Lindberg N. Two years of gender identity service for minors:
overrepresentation of natal girls with severe problems in adolescent development. Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
and Mental Health (2015) 9:9.)
2018. Lisa Littmanâ€™s parental survey of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria:

Â· 62.5% of gender dysphoric adolescents had â€œa psychiatric disorder or neurodevelopmental disability preceding the
onset of gender dysphoriaâ€.
Â· â€œMany (48.4%) had experienced a traumatic or stressful event prior to the onset of their gender dysphoria.â€
Â· 83% female.
Â· 12.3% prevalence of autism spectrum disorder.
(Littman, L. â€œRapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: A study of parental reports,â€
journals.plos.org, Aug. 16, 2018. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330)
2014: â€œ83 patients requesting sex reassignment surgery (SRS) were assessed for DSM-IV Axis I disorders. 62.7% has
one or more.â€ (Major depression, phobias, and adjustment disorders were the 3 most common).
â€œConsistent with most earlier researches, the majority of patients with gender dysphoria had psychiatric Axis I
comorbidity.â€
(Mazaheri Meybodi A, et al. â€œPsychiatric Axis I Comorbidities among Patients with Gender Dysphoria.â€
Psychiatry J, 2014, Article ID :971814. doi: 10.1155/2014/971814.)
2014. Four nation European study found â€œPeople with gender identity disorder show more psychiatric problems than
the general populationâ€¦â€
â€œNearly 70% had â€œa current and lifetime diagnosis.â€
(Heylens G, et al. â€œPsychiatric characteristics in transsexual individuals: multicentre study in four European
countries,â€ The British Journal of Psychiatry Feb 2014, 204 (2) 151-156; DOI: 10.1192/bjp.bp.112.121954.)
â€œEight other studies that used structured clinical interviews for data collection (Colizzi et al. 2015; GÂ´ omez-
Gil et al. 2009; GuzmÂán-Parra et al. 2015; Haraldsen & Dahl 2000; Hepp et al. 2005; Madeddu et al. 2009; Mazaheri
Meybodi et al. 2014a,b) reported generally similar results (see Supplemental Table 1): Most found about a 30â€“40%
prevalence of current comorbid psychopathology and about a 50â€“80% prevalence of lifetime comorbid psychopathology
in adults with GD, including a 20â€“60% prevalence of personality disorders.â€
(Zucker, KJ, et al. Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu. Rev. Clin. Psychol. 2016. 12:217â€“47.) (P. 227.)
â€œGD in adults is associated with an elevated prevalence of comorbid psychopathology, especially mood disorders,
anxiety disorders, and suicidality.â€
(Zucker, KJ, et al. Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu. Rev. Clin. Psychol. 2016. 12:217â€“47.)(P.217.)
Personality Disorders
Iran. 2014. Among people requesting sex reassignment surgery (SRS): â€œThe frequency of personality disorders was 81.4%. The most frequent
personality disorder was narcissistic personality disorder (57.1%)â€¦ The average number of diagnoses was 3.00 per patient.â€
(Meybodi AM, Hajebi A, Jolfaei AG. The frequency of personality disorders in patients with gender identity
disorder. Med J Islam Repub Iran. 2014;28:90. Published 2014 Sep 10.)
â€œEight other studies that used structured clinical interviews for data collection (Colizzi et al. 2015; GÂ´ omez-
Gil et al. 2009; GuzmÂán-Parra et al. 2015; Haraldsen & Dahl 2000; Hepp et al. 2005; Madeddu et al. 2009; Mazaheri
Meybodi et al. 2014a,b) reported generally similar results (see Supplemental Table 1): Most found about a 30â€“40%
prevalence of current comorbid psychopathology and about a 50â€“80% prevalence of lifetime comorbid psychopathology
in adults with GD, including a 20â€“60% prevalence of personality disorders.â€
(Zucker, KJ, et al. Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu. Rev. Clin. Psychol. 2016. 12:217â€“47.) (P. 227.)
40% of MFs and 22% of FMs had a comorbid personality disorder.

De CuypereG, Elaut E,HeylensG, Van MaeleG, Selvaggi G, et al. 2006. Long-term follow-up: psychosocial outcomes
of Belgian transsexuals after sex reassignment surgery. Sexologies 15:126â€“33
70% of MFs and 23% of FMs had a personality disorder;
De Cuypere G, Janes C, Rubens R. 1995. Psychosocial functioning of transsexuals in Belgium. Acta Psychiatr.
Scand. 91:180â€“84
Cited here: Zucker, KJ, et al. Gender Dysphoria in Adults. Annu. Rev. Clin. Psychol. 2016. 12:217â€“47. Supplemental
Table 1: Studies Reporting an Increased Prevalence of Associated Psychopathology in Adults with Gender Dysphoria.
Common themes: prior to GD onset patients had â€œexperienced teasing/bulling, exclusion, isolation, difficulty in
social communication, distress in relation to awareness of a developing sexed body.â€
The majority â€œhad an existing diagnosis of an autism spectrum condition (ASC) or
would be likely to obtain one.â€
(Clarke, Anna Churcher, and Anastassis Spiliadis. â€œâ€˜Taking the Lid off the Boxâ€™: The Value of Extended
Clinical Assessment for Adolescents Presenting with Gender Identity Difficulties.â€ Clinical Child Psychology
and Psychiatry, vol. 24, no. 2, 2019, pp. 338â€“352., doi:10.1177/1359104518825288.)
2. AUTISM
A 2015 survey of adolescents applying for sex reassignment surgery (SRS) in Finland found 26% had an autism spectrum
disorder
Â· 87% were female, far disproportionate to past ratios of F:M ratio.
(Kaltiala-Heino R, Sumia M, TyÃ¶lÃ¤jÃ¤rvi M, Lindberg N. Two years of gender identity service for minors:
overrepresentation of natal girls with severe problems in adolescent development. Child and Adolescent
Psychiatry and Mental Health (2015) 9:9.)
Dr. Lisa Littmanâ€™s study of adolescents and young adults (AYAs) with rapid-onset gender dysphoria found a 12.3%
prevalence of autism spectrum disorder.
(Littman L. Rapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: a study of parental reports. PLoS One.
2018;13(8):e0202330.)
Almost 8% of children and adolescents referred to the Netherlandsâ€™ multidisciplinary clinic for gender dsyphoria
in this age group had autism spectrum disorders (ASD).
(de Vries AL, Noens IL, Cohen-Kettenis PT, van Berckelaer-Onnes IA, Doreleijers TA. Autism spectrum disorders in
gender dysphoric children and adolescents. J Autism Dev Disord. 2010;40(8):930â€“936. doi:10.1007/s10803-010-
0935-9.)
A UK survey of self-reported gender identity found, â€œIndividuals with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) or meeting
the AQ [Autism Spectrum Quotient] cut-off score for ASD were over-represented in both the transgender and nonbinary
groups.â€
(Stagg, Steven D. et al. Autistic traits in individuals self-defining as transgender or nonbinary. European
Psychiatry, Volume 61, 17 â€“ 22. )
UK. An 18-month review of authorsâ€™ cases at the NHS Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) Tavistock found the
majority of adolescents presenting with â€œgender identity difficultiesâ€ also â€œhad an existing diagnosis of an
autism spectrum condition (ASC) or would be likely to obtain one.â€
(Clarke, Anna Churcher, and Anastassis Spiliadis. â€œâ€˜Taking the Lid off the Boxâ€™: The Value of Extended
Clinical Assessment for Adolescents Presenting with Gender Identity Difficulties.â€ Clinical Child Psychology
and Psychiatry, vol. 24, no. 2, 2019, pp. 338â€“352., doi: 10.1177/1359104518825288.â€)
3. AUTOGYNEPHILIA
â€œSince the beginning of the last century, clinical observers have described the propensity of certain males to be
erotically aroused by the thought or image of themselves as women.â€œ
(Blanchard, Ray. (2005). Early History of the Concept of Autogynephilia. Archives of sexual behavior. 34. 439-
46. 10.1007/s10508-005-4343-8.)
â€œAutogynephilia is defined as a maleâ€™s propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as a female.
It is the paraphilia that is theorized to underlie transvestism and some forms of male-to-female (MtF)
transsexualism.â€
(Balon R (ed): Sexual Dysfunction: Beyond the Brain-Body Connection. Adv Psychosom Med. Basel, Karger, 2011, vol
31, pp 135â€“148 https://doi.org/10.1159/000328921.)
4. ROGD (RAPID ONSET GENDER DYSPHORIA)

Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria is the sudden onset of dysphoria during or after puberty with no prior sign of it. Lisa
Littmanâ€™s 2018 survey on this showed a commonality of this occurring in adolescents and young adults (AYAs) where
one or more friends became gender dysphoric or trans-identifying; and whose parents report increasing social media
and web use before it, worsening of their childâ€™s mental health, worsening isolation from family and non-trans-
identified friends; and distrust of information from non-trans-affirming sources. ROGD has become a social
contagion, as is now self-evident.
(Littman, L. â€œRapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents and young adults: A study of parental reports,â€
journals.plos.org, Aug. 16, 2018. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330)
UK. â€œInquiry into surge in gender treatment ordered by Penny Mordaunt,â€ thetimes.co.uk, Sept. 16, 2018.
â€œAn investigation has been ordered into why so many girls are seeking gender reassignment after the
number referred for treatment rose by more than 4,000% in less than a decade.â€
â€œOfficial figures show the number of girls being given gender treatment has risen from 40 in 2009-10
to 1,806 in 2017-18.â€
â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”â€”
On Oct 30, 2019, at 3:46 PM, miriam grossman <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com> wrote:
Laura, thank you ! I'm testifying soon for a case in Colorado and this data will be very useful.
Miriam Grossman MD
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 30, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Laura Haynes, Ph.D. <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com> wrote:
Quentin and All,
Here is recent and truly excellent research on trans children and minors among Kaiser-Permanente
members in Georgia, northern CA, southern CA.
From a presentation I just gave at the conference of the Society of Catholic Social Scientists, Oct.
29, 2019, Steubenville, Ohio (held at Franciscan University):
Kaiser-Permanente studied non-conforming gender identity in its members from 2006 to 2014. It found
that 70%-71% of adolescents (ages 10-17) who later identified as gender non-conforming had high rates
of other psychiatric diagnoses prior to first evidence of gender non-conformity, and most of those
(60-66%) were in force during the 6 months before onset of gender non-conformity. Prevalence
[prevalence ratios] of these diagnoses, and of hospitalizations for these disorders, compared to
gender conforming boys and girls, mostly ranged from moderate to astronomically sky high. Children
(ages 3-9) who later became gender non-conforming had a similar pattern of higher prevalence for
lifetime disorders and 6-month-before-onset diagnoses, but in lower absolute numbers. Some children
did not have other psychiatric disorders. Kohlberg said children are simply still developing their
concept of gender identity up to age 7.
Over the 8 years of the study, from 2006 to 2014, the number of gender non-conforming minors rose 800%
in Georgia.
This retrospective and prospective, longitudinal study used the complete set of electronic medical
records for an entire cohort of Kaiser-Permanente members at three sites (Georgia, northern
California, and southern California) for the years 2006 - 2014.
It may be the first research that found onset dates of psychiatric disorders and first evidence date
of gender non-conforming identity.
There were 427 TF (bio Ms) and 655 TM (bio Fs) children and adolescents = 1,082 GNCs (gender identity
non-conformers means TFs + TMs).
Becerra-Culqui TA, Liu Y, Nash R, et al. Mental Health of Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Youth
Compared With Their Peers. Pediatrics. 2018;141(5):e20173845
Blessings,
Laura
714-665-3333


To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD
<hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Gary McCaleb <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan
<jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg <gregb@californiafamily.org>; Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax Rene
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>; Andre Van Mol
<95andrev@gmail.com>; James Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Team
Truth is arising in Georgia! Representative Earhart, with whom Jane Robbins and I met a couple of weeks ago, released this press statement today. She is filing our bill
this legislative session in Georgia.
Kudos to Quentin, who makes a powerful statement in support of this bill right out the starting gate! You all should know that Ginny (Rep. Earhart) beat her Democratic
opponent last year in a very purple district within the city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and
courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s working with Fred too.
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add
us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525
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Dr. Laidlaw (Mike),
Thank you for your hard work on this article and all the other stuff you've got your fingers into.
I'm retired, so I get to play on the internet all day, but the folks like you and Dr. Malone are taking time out of your days and lives to make a difference for these kids and that doesn't go
unnoticed.
Blessings,
James
On Monday, January 13, 2020, 10:48:35 PM EST, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
All,
I’ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong about puberty blockers being reversible and is ignoring serious harms.
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/01/59422/
Please read and share widely with legislators, educators, friends family etc.
I think it will help in the intellectual battle when trying to get our important legislation passed in the states.
Thanks
-Mike
On 2020-01-09 19:28, Timothy Millea MD wrote:
Terrific information, particularly on background to support the position. Thank you for the obviously significant time and thought applied. I'm likely late to this "team", but thanks to Fred and Michelle, am
grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward, and this type of information is great help in getting ahead of it.
Tim Millea, M.D.
At-large member, CMA Board of Director
CMA State Director for Iowa
From: Vernadette Broyles [mailto:vbroyles@childparentrights.org]

Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 2:20 PM
To: Fred Deutsch; William Malone; Michael Laidlaw; Chris Motz; Richard Mast; Matt Sharp; Timothy Millea MD; Quentin Van Meter; MD Paul Hruz PhD; Monique Robles MD; Gary McCaleb; Glenn Ridder; Natasha Chart;
Hudson, MD Bernard; David Pickup; Katherine Cave; Eunie Smith; Margaret Clarke; Horvath Hacsi; Roger Brooks; Walt Heyer; James Shupe; McHugh Paul; Lappert Patrick
Cc: Mary McAlister; Jane Robbins; drmcretella@gmail.com
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Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child Protection Acts
being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from the Minnesota
Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the
claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously
paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but also will
arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in
the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the need for the bill that will go on
the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
<VYPA web layout.pdf>
Attachment:
From: Timothy Millea MD
Sent: 1/9/2020 7:28:58 PM
To: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Quentin Van
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>,
"Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>,
"Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>
Subject: RE: Legislative Packet
Terrific information, particularly on background to support the position. Thank you for the obviously significant time and thought applied. Iâ€™m likely late to this â€œteamâ€, but thanks to Fred and Michelle,
am grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward, and this type of information is great help in getting ahead of
it.
Tim Millea, M.D.

Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child Protection
Acts being introduced in our respective states.
claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (weâ€™ve already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart
generously paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but
also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope
they become weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the need for the bill that
will go on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/13/2020 7:48:31 PM
To: "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>
Cc: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>,
"Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>,
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
"Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, drmcretella@gmail.com
All,
I’ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong about
puberty blockers being reversible and is ignoring serious harms.
Thanks
-Mike
grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward, and this type of information is great help in getting ahead of
it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with
the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child Protection Acts being
introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that
legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from the Minnesota Family
Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the
three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the
medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media)
that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work
for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on
the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye
with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but also will arm
them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the
following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as
widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and
motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the need for the bill that will
go on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/13/2020 8:28:09 PM
Cc: "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Quentin Van
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart"
"Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, drmcretella@gmail.com
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Dr. Laidlaw:Thank for this excellent article. It will be tremendously helpful not only for legislative efforts but
also for challenging school policies affirming social transitioning. Your connection between social transitioning
and the interventions will be invaluable for our arguments.

P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020, 10:48 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

All,
I’ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong about puberty blockers being reversible and is ignoring serious harms.
Thanks
-Mike
it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the
Vulnerable Child Protection Acts being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received
permission from the Minnesota Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other
side is going to attack us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media)
that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide.
Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and
supporting organizations, but also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons
in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain
the need for the bill that will go on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
□
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To: mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>
Cc: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>,
"Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha
Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "David Pickup"
<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
"Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, drmcretella@gmail.com
Mike- this is just perfecto! Thanks!!!
Quentin
On January 13, 2020 at 10:48 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
All,
Iâ€™ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong
about puberty blockers being reversible and is ignoring serious harms.
I think it will help in the intellectual battle when trying to get our important legislation passed in the
states.
Thanks
-Mike
Terrific information, particularly on background to support the position. Thank you for the obviously significant time and thought applied. I'm likely late to this "team", but thanks to
Fred and Michelle, am grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward, and this type of
information is great help in getting ahead of it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


To: Fred Deutsch; William Malone; Michael Laidlaw; Chris Motz; Richard Mast; Matt Sharp; Timothy Millea MD; Quentin Van Meter; MD Paul Hruz PhD; Monique Robles MD; Gary McCaleb; Glenn
Ridder; Natasha Chart; Hudson, MD Bernard; David Pickup; Katherine Cave; Eunie Smith; Margaret Clarke; Horvath Hacsi; Roger Brooks; Walt Heyer; James Shupe; McHugh Paul; Lappert Patrick
Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I
created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child
Protection Acts being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we
felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from
the Minnesota Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer.
We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1)
the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3)
the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in
minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar
look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white
papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to
catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting
organizations, but also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that
will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Parent Resource Guide - Chaps. 1 - 3 primer on the transgender issue (please note, we do not have permission to bind this document with any of the
others)
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free
disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to
educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the
need for the bill that will go on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
Attachment:
From: Jane Robbins
Sent: 1/14/2020 5:57:21 AM
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary
McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>,
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
"Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Superb!
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:19 AM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Quentin
All,
I’ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong
states.
Thanks
-Mike
Terrific information, particularly on background to support the position. Thank you for the obviously significant time and thought applied. I'm likely late to this "team", but thanks
to Fred and Michelle, am grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward, and this
type of information is great help in getting ahead of it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


To: Fred Deutsch; William Malone; Michael Laidlaw; Chris Motz; Richard Mast; Matt Sharp; Timothy Millea MD; Quentin Van Meter; MD Paul Hruz PhD; Monique Robles MD; Gary McCaleb; Glenn
Ridder; Natasha Chart; Hudson, MD Bernard; David Pickup; Katherine Cave; Eunie Smith; Margaret Clarke; Horvath Hacsi; Roger Brooks; Walt Heyer; James Shupe; McHugh Paul; Lappert Patrick
Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I
created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable
Child Protection Acts being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we
felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from
the Minnesota Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer.
We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1)
the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3)
the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in
minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work for the handouts to have a
similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA
white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to
catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting
organizations, but also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that
will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Parent Resource Guide - Chaps. 1 - 3 primer on the transgender issue (please note, we do not have permission to bind this document with any of
the others)
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel
free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525
Attachment:
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 1/14/2020 6:06:35 AM
To: "rlrobb123@gmail.com" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Timothy Millea MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret Clarke"
"James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle Cretella"
Echo
Walt Heyer
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 8:57 AM, Jane Robbins

<rlrobb123@gmail.com> wrote:
Superb!
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:19 AM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Quentin
All,
I’ve got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong
states.
Thanks
-Mike
Terrific information, particularly on background to support the position. Thank you for the obviously significant time and thought applied. I'm likely late to this "team", but
thanks to Fred and Michelle, am grateful for all the expertise. There is a small but growing number of us in the Catholic Medical Association who are pushing this issue forward,
and this type of information is great help in getting ahead of it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


To: Fred Deutsch; William Malone; Michael Laidlaw; Chris Motz; Richard Mast; Matt Sharp; Timothy Millea MD; Quentin Van Meter; MD Paul Hruz PhD; Monique Robles MD; Gary McCaleb;
Glenn Ridder; Natasha Chart; Hudson, MD Bernard; David Pickup; Katherine Cave; Eunie Smith; Margaret Clarke; Horvath Hacsi; Roger Brooks; Walt Heyer; James Shupe; McHugh Paul;
Lappert Patrick
Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and
I created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable
Child Protection Acts being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that
we felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission
from the Minnesota Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a
primer. We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack
us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the medical community widely supports these
treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media) that these interventions
are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work for the
handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper,
based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted
to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting
organizations, but also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation
that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Parent Resource Guide - Chaps. 1 - 3 primer on the transgender issue (please note, we do not have permission to bind this document with any of
the others)
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your
legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Attachment:
Sent: 1/14/2020 6:51:25 AM
Cc:
Much appreciated James!

Dr. Laidlaw (Mike),
Thank you for your hard work on this article and all the other stuff you've got your fingers into.
I'm retired, so I get to play on the internet all day, but the folks like you and Dr. Malone are taking time out of your days and lives to make a difference for these kids and that doesn't go
unnoticed.
Blessings,
James
On Monday, January 13, 2020, 10:48:35 PM EST, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
All,
I've got a new piece out in the Public Discourse tonight on why the Pediatric Endocrine Society is wrong about puberty blockers being reversible and is ignoring serious harms.
Thanks
-Mike
it.
Tim Millea, M.D.


Dear Team
claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we've already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously
paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but also
will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons
Vernadette

770.448.4525
All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the need for the bill that will go
on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/14/2020 10:59:03 AM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
Have asked my web developer about creating a private webpage to put these docs (and for inside information for our
side in the future). People could access by creating an account with just their name, org, and email and create
their own password. Waiting to hear what will cost and timetable to get up.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Vernadette,
First, many thanks to you and the others that donated your valuable time to work on this important project.
Please forgive me if it's already the case and I'm just not aware of it but are these new docs consolidated somewhere on a website that we can spread on social media?
Can they be put on the site that houses the parental guide or somewhere else?
Thanks!
James
On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 03:20:12 PM EST, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Dear Team
Attached, at long last, is a Legislative Packet of information and documents that Jane Robbins and I created, with the help, review, and editing of Michelle, to be used in support of the Vulnerable Child
Protection Acts being introduced in our respective states.
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from the
Minnesota Family Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1) the
suicide claim, 2) the claim that the medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (weâ€™ve already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in minors.
Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all
worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations,
but also will arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become
weapons in the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525

All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the
Sent: 1/9/2020 12:31:21 PM
Bcc:
Vernadette,
First, many thanks to you and the others that donated your valuable time to work on this important project.
Please forgive me if it's already the case and I'm just not aware of it but are these new docs consolidated somewhere on a website that we can spread on social media?
Can they be put on the site that houses the parental guide or somewhere else?
Thanks!
James
On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 03:20:12 PM EST, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Dear Team
In this arena there is such ignorance, and misinformation, about the issue of transgenderism that we felt that legislators needed a primer to accurately understand it. We have received permission from the Minnesota Family
Institute to use Chapters 1 - 3 of the Parent Resource Guide as such a primer. We then created handouts on the three key issues we know the other side is going to attack us on: 1) the suicide claim, 2) the claim that the
medical community widely supports these treatments, and 3) the bald-faced lie (we’ve already seen in the media) that these interventions are not happening in minors. Representative Ehrhart generously paid for the design
work for the handouts to have a similar look to the Parent Resource Guide. Finally, is a generic Whitepaper, based on the SD and GA white papers we all worked on.
Our goal was to create a packet of information (well researched, full of citations, and formatted to catch the eye with the major points) that will educate and inform our legislators and supporting organizations, but also will
arm them with ready answers for the major attacks of misinformation that will be thrown at them. Attached are the following:
• Suicide handout
I would very much like to hear what you all think about these handouts and the packet they create. Please share these with your legislators and feel free disseminate them as widely as possible with allies. We hope they become weapons in
the hands of many warriors!
Vernadette


770.448.4525

All, just passing along a very rough first draft of an educational website under development to educate and motivate South Dakotans about the bill. I plan to do a video recording to explain the need for the bill
that will go on the site. Any input is always welcome. - Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/14/2020 10:53:30 AM
Subject: Re: Legislative Talking Point
Jamie is 100% correct. For there Libertarians, we should point out there is a host of things government
appropriately takes off of parentsâ€™ shoulders because it sends a societal message of the potential harm or
importance to children if too much decision-making is reposed in the hands of developing humans at too early an age.
Hence, parents need not fight with children about having to attend school, taking the car keys out of their hands
before age 16 and legal drivers license awarded, drinking before age 21, illegal drugs, entering into most
contracts, and others. Parents can rely on sound laws to back them up against the immature and manipulable wants
and decisions of their minor children. Thatâ€™s a good thing.
Great talking point, in my view.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
All,
I'd like to bounce a potential talking point off of all you and hear your feedback. I've attached a screenshot of the typical turmoil in the homes of these kids with gender confusion
issues.
My talking point is, the state stepping in and creating regulatory law via the legislators such as Rep. Deutsch and others is actually taking the heat off of the parents to allow
these dangerous medical interventions for kids. This type of legislation essentially shifts the responsibility to the person wanting the treatment to when they become of legal age
in their state to get it. Once passed, it's no longer their parents saying no, it's the state.
For example, we don't have kids and families in turmoil because children can't drink, that's because it's not their parents stopping them from drinking, it's a state law.
Am I making sense here?
Because with these unscrupulous medical providers on standby to give these harmful drugs to children as soon as a parent says yes, it's the uncooperative parents that are
taking the heat whenever they say no. Peers getting the treatment only worsens this scenario.
For the record, I'm not just bringing this up as a talking point, I believe in what I'm saying here based on what I see online and in the news.
Blessings,
James
From: Bob Sullivan
Sent: 3/12/2019 1:00:51 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Medical Malpractice Attorneys
If you are available at 11:30 Eastern time tomorrow, I can conference you in on a call to a firm in Jacksonville.
We’ll do an “intake” tomorrow. This is basically a screening process so the attorney can assess your case and decide
if it is something he wants to tackle. The call is with Sean Cronin’s firm https://www.croninmaxwell.com/legal-team/
Hopefully he is not a left-leaning ideologue. It is going to take a courageous attorney to take this case, but with
his experience with the VA, med Mal, and trial practice, he should be just the guy you need. I’ll be on the phone
with you during the intake so I can help if need be. I may not need to say anything.
I can initiate the call. What is the best phone number to use tomorrow at 11:30. The call should only take 20
minutes or so. Assuming you are available. If not, I can reschedule it.
I'm completely on board with everything you're saying.
I have some contacts as well. I suspect Dr. Blanchard, the pioneer of autogynephilia might work with us. Dr. Michael Laidlaw, the endocrinologist probably would as well. Dr.
Kenneth Zucker another possible. Same for Dr. Michael Bailey. Bailey, Zucker and Blanchard have been severely beat up on by the trans mob. They are very happy to see me
come along.
I've done some reading on this and with the six month wait for VA to respond with the FTCA complaint, I think it's best
to get that filed as soon as possible. The clock doesn't even start until then.
Would you like to look over my medical records? I have them in a .pdf file.
the near future.
Bob S.
402-462-2110
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/12/2019 2:04:32 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
My cell is 503-964-4558.
Yes, I'll be available then.
Thanks!
Jamie
If you are available at 11:30 Eastern time tomorrow, I can conference you in on a call to a firm in Jacksonville. We’ll do an “intake” tomorrow. This is basically a screening process so the attorney can assess your case and
decide if it is something he wants to tackle. The call is with Sean Cronin’s firm https://www.croninmaxwell.com/legal-team/ Hopefully he is not a left-leaning ideologue. It is going to take a courageous attorney to take this
case, but with his experience with the VA, med Mal, and trial practice, he should be just the guy you need. I’ll be on the phone with you during the intake so I can help if need be. I may not need to say anything.
I can initiate the call. What is the best phone number to use tomorrow at 11:30. The call should only take 20 minutes or so. Assuming you are available. If not, I can reschedule it.
come along.
I've done some reading on this and with the six month wait for VA to respond with the FTCA complaint, I think it's best to get that filed as soon as possible. The clock doesn't
even start until then.
the near future.
Bob S.
402-462-2110
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 3/12/2019 2:13:34 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
You're probably much better at this than me, but a couple of things should jump out at you reading the records. They constantly let me direct my own care. Also, the same quack who wrote
my non-binary sex change letter refused me DNA testing. Had she done it and it said male, I would have returned to my birth sex. She told me the knowledge would harm me. She also
prescribed me Marinol, synthetic THC. The VA later sent me to a drug rehab. Got it prescribed on the west coast, got called a drug addict for it on the east coast. Also take note that during
the three psych exams, they never explored gender dysphoria at all. All they do is say things like "patient meets requirement for gender dysphoria." They don't say why I do? The one
psychiatrist never mentions it at all. Also take note of how many times they wrote me up for being "tearful." That's because transition wasn't helping me.
My 100% rating defintion: “Total occupational and social impairment, due to such symptoms as: gross impairment in thought processes or
communication; persistent delusions or hallucinations; grossly inappropriate behavior; persistent danger of hurting self or others; intermittent
inability to perform activities of daily living (including maintenance of minimal personal hygiene); disorientation to time or place; memory loss for
names of close relatives, own occupation, or own name.”
If you are available at 11:30 Eastern time tomorrow, I can conference you in on a call to a firm in Jacksonville. We’ll do an “intake” tomorrow. This is basically a screening process so the attorney can assess your case and
decide if it is something he wants to tackle. The call is with Sean Cronin’s firm https://www.croninmaxwell.com/legal-team/ Hopefully he is not a left-leaning ideologue. It is going to take a courageous attorney to take this
case, but with his experience with the VA, med Mal, and trial practice, he should be just the guy you need. I’ll be on the phone with you during the intake so I can help if need be. I may not need to say anything.
I can initiate the call. What is the best phone number to use tomorrow at 11:30. The call should only take 20 minutes or so. Assuming you are available. If not, I can reschedule it.
come along.
I've done some reading on this and with the six month wait for VA to respond with the FTCA complaint, I think it's best to get that filed as soon as possible. The clock doesn't
even start until then.
the near future.
Bob S.
402-462-2110
From: Bob Sullivan
Sent: 3/12/2019 12:47:50 PM
Cc:
The medical records would be very helpful. And your contacts are very good. I’m especially a fan of Laidlaw.
Here's another one: Andre Van Mol. I'm also in touch with Dr. Michelle Cretelaa.
the near future.
Bob S.
402-462-2110
From: Hacsi Horvath
Sent: 1/15/2020 6:57:32 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>
Subject: Re: More extensive interview form our state's largest paper
Very strong work!! ฀฀
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 16:57, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-
punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-reassignment-surgeries-lgbt/4476342002/
Sent: 2/12/2019 9:34:33 AM
Cc: "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Hacsi Horvath"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Laura A. Haynes, Ph.D." <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Paul McHugh" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Mark Chuff" <chuffmark@gmail.com>, "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Walter Schumm" <schumm@ksu.edu>
Subject: Re: MUST READ ARTICLE FOR STRATEGIC PLANNING
Thanks Michelle! Spreading word

This is a terrifying article about criminalizing parents who seek to protect their children from AAP/WPATH
monsters.
http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/12/lgbt-activists-teaching-judges-yank-kids-parents-wont-transgender/
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:22:37 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
Subject: Re: New Florida DSD/Gender Identity Case
There is only one type of gonadal tissue in Klinefelter syndrome- a testicle! This is NOT intersex. The transactivists are using this male as a pawn.
Quentin
On January 29, 2020 at 7:02 AM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Born James: " She was born with an extra chromosome, making her â€œintersex.â€
" But because Mayfield was born intersex, she didnâ€™t require surgery, only estrogen."
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:24:15 AM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
<tmillea@qcora.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Absolutely they are
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 7:22 AM, QUENTIN VAN METER

Quentin
Born James: " She was born with an extra chromosome, making her “intersex.”
" But because Mayfield was born intersex, she didn’t require surgery, only estrogen."
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:33:01 AM
Cc:
James Liberty Counsel has been involved in the Florida bills from day one.
I just spent 3 days there with the men who drafted the bills including having dinner with them two nights in a row
to answer questions from my perspective.
Sill the bills are not perfect by any means but a step in the right direction
Walt
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 7:26 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
Richard,
Can Liberty Counsel please consider filing something in this case?
If a judge signs this thing, they're going to do major damage in Florida and it's no doubt leading to an effort for an X marker on licenses.
James
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 07:22:43 AM EST, QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Quentin
From: Richard Mast
Sent: 1/30/2020 6:45:00 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris
Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: RE: New Florida DSD/Gender Identity Case
In answer to Jamesâ€™ question below, a Florida judgeâ€™s order to â€œchange all legal documentsâ€ for an MTF male with Klinefelter Syndrome should not be binding in Alabama, but I can see that setting
up a potential challenge regarding comity, full faith and credit, etc., depending on Alabamaâ€™s exact statutory language.
Not sure who besides the Alabama Department of Public Health would have standing here, but I do not think a general member of the public would.
I have reached out to contacts in Alabama, to apprise the Alabama AG of the situation, and suggest their office or the ADPH Office of Counsel look into this case, and potentially send a letter to this judge or
otherwise take action.
If we have a document on Klinefelter Syndrome with the science all footnoted I could forward, that would be helpful.

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org

Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 7:26 AM
To: Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Paul Hruz <hruz_p007@att.net>; QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: Deutsch Fred <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>;
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David
Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <RMast@LC.org>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Jon Hansen <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Richard,
James
Quentin
Born James: " She was born with an extra chromosome, making her â€œintersex.â€
" But because Mayfield was born intersex, she didnâ€™t require surgery, only estrogen."
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:26:00 AM
To: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "QUENTIN
VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>
Bcc:
Richard,
James
Quentin
Sent: 2/9/2020 2:53:39 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Nonbinary Puberty In South Dakota
I prayed for you and the others supporting the bill today. Asked the Lord to put all of you in the Armor of God for this fight.
James
On Sunday, February 9, 2020, 05:44:21 PM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Going to an adverse committee hearing tomorrow. If the bill passes, it will be a modern day miracle! - FRed

Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:05 PM
To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Paul Hruz <hruz_p007@att.net>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Cretella Michelle
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; McCaleb Gary <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder
<glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Mast Richard <rmast@lc.org>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Heyer Walt
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Jon Hansen <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Fred,
"Puberty was like a puzzle for Quinncy Parke. The 17-year-old from Sioux Falls is nonbinary and uses the pronouns they/them. When puberty arrived, so did a lot of distress."
James
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 2/9/2020 2:44:18 PM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Nonbinary Puberty In South Dakota
Going to an adverse committee hearing tomorrow. If the bill passes, it will be a modern day miracle! - FRed

Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 4:05 PM
To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Paul Hruz <hruz_p007@att.net>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; Bernard Hudson, MD <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Cretella Michelle
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; McCaleb Gary <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn
Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>;
McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Mast Richard <rmast@lc.org>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Heyer
Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Jon Hansen <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Fred,
distress."
James
Sent: 2/9/2020 6:46:37 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>,
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle"
All the standard boilerplate rhetoric, presented with the treacle sensitivity that NPR is so good at. Looking
forward to joining the battle in full. God bless you Fred!
PWL
On February 9, 2020 at 5:04 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred,
" Puberty was like a puzzle for Quinncy Parke. The 17-year-old from Sioux Falls is nonbinary and uses the pronouns they/them. When puberty arrived, so did a
lot of distress."
James
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 2/9/2020 2:28:42 PM
Cc:
Thanks for that. The reporting is horrible. I never see anyone bring up the lists of actual harms that we´ve
displayed again and again.
-Mike
Fred,
distress."
James
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/26/2020 5:04:53 PM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Objections to bill- other thoughtss
We don’t have jurisdiction to prevent travel to another state – that’s a federal issue. - Fred

Subject: Re: Objections to bill- other thoughtss
Well, if you manage to win this thing, there's probably something on the books about transporting minors across state lines for immoral purposes, etc. Maybe propose a new clause in that
law, adding this one.
James
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:49:02 PM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Frankly, there is nothing in the bill to prevent parents form doing that. - Fred

Fred,
In regards to what I brought up earlier: How are you going to respond if they say parents will just take the kids out of state?
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
Sent: 1/26/2020 6:50:09 PM
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle Cretella"
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert"
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<tmillea@qcora.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>,
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing patients, and
infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: â€œDr. Hudson is not a consensus physician and clearly harms
children.â€
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Floridaâ€™s affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and
psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School Counselors Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
Sent: 1/27/2020 6:39:47 AM
To: "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "patrick Lappert"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon
Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Bcc:
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of people," and that it's
singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with trans military
service.
Hopefully, the lawyers will chime in on this, but my view is the bill is targeting a medical condition, of which
there's no fixed consensus about what the origin is, whether it's strictly mental, etc. The ADA law states
transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of folks because a medical condition.
James
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:21 AM, Michael Laidlaw

<mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year period
and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left people at a 19X higher risk of completed suicide
compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls reported MORE
behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker use
did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to harm a
patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the risks and benefits of a therapy. If
the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts,
then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent
harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying on
medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality evidence in the 2017 Endocrine Society
guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments
are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the
harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly researched subject.
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care possible
and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the harms that come to a child (e.g.
sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of
physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the
potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It
is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the
duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps,
similar to a medical malpractice suit].
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal development can never be
regained.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because they have not been
studied.
Also a key time of growing together and interacting with peers and reaching important psychosocial milestones is
lost forever.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time lost
reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a bunch of students who are
developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at a
disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers ever be
the same?
-Mike

PWL
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and residents, and the AMA really
isn't the A-MA.
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to political/ideological/financial
manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people don't seem to get that.
Andre
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of physicians and medical
students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing
patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus physician and clearly
harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and

BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/27/2020 6:18:48 PM
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer
Bcc:
Speaking of our talking points: Are we going to point out the hypocrisy of the left's efforts to make it a crime to conduct therapy that tries to get a child to accept their birth sex, and of how
they don't think it should be a crime to sterilize and operate on these children instead?
James
Sent: 1/28/2020 10:59:09 AM
To: "95andrev@gmail.com" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
Bcc:
With Dr. Money coining gender identity in 1966 and transvestite Virginia Prince coining transgender in 1969, the
hard to define "class of people" is younger than me, and a lot of others in this conversation, something courts
should be taking note of.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:42 PM, Andre Van Mol

<95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
What’s odd about the military “class of people” argument per ACLU, etc., is that the military reserves the right
to exclude whomever it deems unfit for service. There is no right to serve in the military. They exclude the
overweight, sleep walkers (somnambulism), bed wetters (enuresis), and so forth. Those are far more defined
classes/conditions than is the self-defined transgenderism (as not all TGs are gender dysphoric).
Andre
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of people," and
that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with
trans military service.
Hopefully, the lawyers will chime in on this, but my view is the bill is targeting a medical condition, of
which there's no fixed consensus about what the origin is, whether it's strictly mental, etc. The ADA law
states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of folks because a medical
condition.
James


The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year
period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left people at a 19X higher risk of
completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm. Girls
reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty
blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to
harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the risks and benefits
of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal
of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state
MUST intervene to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying
on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality evidence in the 2017 Endocrine
Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that
these treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from
inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information
on a poorly researched subject.
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care
possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the harms that come to a
child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the
primary result of physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor
can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe
and perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms
of a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms
to a patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal development can
never be regained.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because they have not
been studied.
Also a key time of growing together and interacting with peers and reaching important psychosocial
milestones is lost forever.
developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at
a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers
ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and residents, and the AMA
really isn't the A-MA.
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to
political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people don't
seem to get that.
Andre
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of physicians and
medical students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors
killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
The issue will be that a physician is not a consensus doctor if not abiding by AMA affirmation
guidelines.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus physician and
clearly harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13
medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School Counselors
Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/27/2020 6:47:12 AM
Cc:
There is no medical evidence that someone with gender dysphoria has a medical condition until given hormones and/or
surgery. None. No labs, no karyotypes, no x-rays, no mri, no fmri, no pet scans; symptoms but no medical signs.
An illness confined to the mind. Remember: These children already have normal levels of steroids ( testosterone or
estrogen ) in their bloodstream.
BH
Mike,
that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with trans
military service.
states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of folks because a medical condition.
James


2. Impact economy

harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the risks and benefits of
a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of
healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST
intervene to prevent harms.

guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these
treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently
participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly
researched subject.
and perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of
a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a
patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
never be regained.
studied.
disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers
ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
seem to get that.
Andre
medical students.
guidelines.
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical
and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School Counselors
Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 1/27/2020 6:53:35 AM
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Katherine Cave"
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Sharp Matt"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "patrick Lappert"
The bill names no such class of person. It doesn’t even name gender dysphoria directly, or any other diagnosed
condition, as regards the procedures to be banned.
Gender identity laws aren’t based on a medical condition, either, though. No specific medical condition must be
claimed to qualify for the ACLU to defend your right to force everyone to agree that you’re something you aren’t,
nor must a specific diagnosis be made for a doctor to be considered as having a mandate to affirm a claim to be in
the ‘wrong body.’
The gender activists talk about a medical condition, but exclusively as a club with which to beat opponents. It
doesn’t underlay the reasoning or requirements of any of their key policy goals or proposals.
On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:39 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of people," and that
it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with trans military
service.
James


The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker
use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

harms.

possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the harms that come to a child
(e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result
of physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend
the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures.
It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is
the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor.
[Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
regained.
studied.
lost forever.
the same?
-Mike

PWL
isn't the A-MA.
Andre
students.
harms children."
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
.I
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/27/2020 9:01:58 AM
Cc: "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard
Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer
For suicides attempts and hospitalization after hormonal therapy, the 2019 Branstrom study from Sweden (by way of
Yale, naturally) also showed no improvement (they claimed it for SRS/GAS, but actually failed to show it credibly).
Me, Mike, Miriam and Paul McHugh (lottaâ€™ Mâ€™s there) have a letter to the editor of AJP criticizing the study
that is going through peer review now.
Andre

The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a 30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still
left people at a 19X higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide
attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of
the risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an
unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality
evidence in the 2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of care.
The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly researched
subject.
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment.
However, the harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of physicians who have
performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and
perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore
the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
body.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a
bunch of students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained? Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next
-Mike

PWL
As for it and the others, they are all professional guilds and susceptible to political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people don't seem
to get that.
Andre
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership
over the decades.
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High
School Counselors Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Attachment:
From: Matt Sharp
Sent: 1/27/2020 6:23:34 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van
Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
"McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret
Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<tmillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
Subject: RE: Objections to bill- other thoughtss
James,
The Colson Center has produced some very good videos helping to equip people to talk winsomely about these issue. They have a very good video on the hypocrisy of the left in opposing so-called
â€œconversion therapyâ€ while promoting harmful gender identity procedures. You can watch the video here: https://whatwouldyousay.org/if-conversion-therapy-is-bad-why-is-sex-reassignment-good-2/
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Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Katherine
Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; McCaleb Gary <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>;
Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Robbins Jane <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Mast Richard <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD
<tmillea@qcora.com>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Jeff Shafer <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Jon Hansen
<jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
*EXTERNAL*
Speaking of our talking points: Are we going to point out the hypocrisy of the left's efforts to make it a crime to conduct therapy that tries to get a child to accept their birth sex, and of how
they don't think it should be a crime to sterilize and operate on these children instead?
James
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/28/2020 10:42:07 AM
Cc: "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
Whatâ€™s odd about the military â€œclass of peopleâ€ argument per ACLU, etc., is that the military reserves the
right to exclude whomever it deems unfit for service. There is no right to serve in the military. They exclude the
overweight, sleep walkers (somnambulism), bed wetters (enuresis), and so forth. Those are far more defined
classes/conditions than is the self-defined transgenderism (as not all TGs are gender dysphoric).
Andre
Mike,
that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with trans
military service.
states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of folks because a medical condition.
James

2. Impact economy

harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the risks and benefits of
a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of
healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST
intervene to prevent harms.

guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these
treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently
participating in the harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly
researched subject.
and perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of
a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a
patient, falls on the doctor. [Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
never be regained.
studied.
disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important sixth grade experiences with peers
ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
seem to get that.
Andre
medical students.
guidelines.
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13 medical
and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School Counselors
Association!
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/28/2020 10:52:58 AM
Cc:
Thanks for that James. That's certainly the angle they're taking in the press. If you saw the NYT coverage on SD
bill.
- Mike
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of people," and that
it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender dysphoria ban with trans military
service.
James


The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that puberty blocker
use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

harms.

possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the harms that come to a child
(e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result
of physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend
the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures.
It is not the job of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is
the duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the doctor.
[Perhaps, similar to a medical malpractice suit].
regained.
studied.
lost forever.
the same?
-Mike

PWL
isn't the A-MA.
Andre
students.
harms children."
BH
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/29/2020 6:15:58 AM
Cc:
Then, of course, you may know of Karl Bowmen?
Sent from my iPhone
With Dr. Money coining gender identity in 1966 and transvestite Virginia Prince coining transgender in 1969,
the hard to define "class of people" is younger than me, and a lot of others in this conversation, something
courts should be taking note of.

What’s odd about the military “class of people” argument per ACLU, etc., is that the military reserves the
right to exclude whomever it deems unfit for service. There is no right to serve in the military. They
exclude the overweight, sleep walkers (somnambulism), bed wetters (enuresis), and so forth. Those are far
more defined classes/conditions than is the self-defined transgenderism (as not all TGs are gender
dysphoric).
Andre
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class of
people," and that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for the gender
dysphoria ban with trans military service.
Hopefully, the lawyers will chime in on this, but my view is the bill is targeting a medical
condition, of which there's no fixed consensus about what the origin is, whether it's strictly
mental, etc. The ADA law states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed singling out a class of
folks because a medical condition.
James


The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden over a
30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left people at a 19X
higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm.
Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows that
puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not have a
right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full disclosure of the
risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand the harms of therapy such as
sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-
patient relationship and the state MUST intervene to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The parent is
relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality evidence in the
2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in their disclaimer on p. 3895
states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of care. The state must intervene to
prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the harm of their child because they have
received incomplete information on a poorly researched subject.
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are providing the
best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of treatment. However, the
harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent disfiguration, heart disease risk,
osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of physicians who have performed the surgeries or
given these medications. Only the doctor can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and
only they are licensed by the state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It is not the job
of the parent to investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the
duty of a licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal development
can never be regained.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because they have
not been studied.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-harm.
Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with body.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is the time
lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with a bunch of
students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying ever be regained?
Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next grade? Can the important
sixth grade experiences with peers ever be the same?
-Mike

PWL
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and residents, and the
AMA really isn't the A-MA.
political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations, and people
don't seem to get that.
Andre
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of physicians
and medical students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards accepting doctors
killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the membership over the decades.
guidelines.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus physician
and clearly harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they included 13
medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the American High School
Counselors Association!
BH
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:44 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/29/2020 6:36:46 AM
Cc:
Sorry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Bowman
Virginia Prince caught my eye and I remembered his involvement with him.
BH
Not familiar with Bowmen?
A link to suggested reading, please.
James
On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM, Bernard Hudson

<loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
Then, of course, you may know of Karl Bowmen?
Sent from my iPhone
With Dr. Money coining gender identity in 1966 and transvestite Virginia Prince coining transgender
in 1969, the hard to define "class of people" is younger than me, and a lot of others in this
conversation, something courts should be taking note of.

What’s odd about the military “class of people” argument per ACLU, etc., is that the military
reserves the right to exclude whomever it deems unfit for service. There is no right to serve in
the military. They exclude the overweight, sleep walkers (somnambulism), bed wetters (enuresis),
and so forth. Those are far more defined classes/conditions than is the self-defined
transgenderism (as not all TGs are gender dysphoric).
Andre
On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:39 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Mike,
The interesting thing about number 7 is the ACLU will claim the bill is targeting a "class
of people," and that it's singling them out for discrimination. That's what they did for
the gender dysphoria ban with trans military service.
Hopefully, the lawyers will chime in on this, but my view is the bill is targeting a
medical condition, of which there's no fixed consensus about what the origin is, whether
it's strictly mental, etc. The ADA law states transvestism is excluded, so that allowed
singling out a class of folks because a medical condition.
James


The largest study tracking transgender people encompassed the entire population of Sweden
over a 30 year period and showed that hormones and sex reassignment surgery still left
people at a 19X higher risk of completed suicide compared to then general population.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-
harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with
body.
The latest survey study being touted by the mainstream media [by J Turban] actually shows
that puberty blocker use did NOT reduce the risk of inpatient hospitalization for suicide
attempts.
2. Impact economy

Not everything is permissible within a doctor-patient relationship. The doctor does not
have a right to harm a patient. A proper doctor-patient relationship involves full
disclosure of the risks and benefits of a therapy. If the child cannot fully understand
the harms of therapy such as sterilization and removal of healthy body parts, then the
child is a part of an unhealthy doctor-patient relationship and the state MUST intervene
to prevent harms.

The parent also does not have the right to participate in the harm of their child. The
parent is relying on medical evidence that has been rated as low, very low and no quality
evidence in the 2017 Endocrine Society guidelines. The Endocrine Society guidelines in
their disclaimer on p. 3895 states clearly that these treatments are NOT standards of
care. The state must intervene to prevent parents from inadvertently participating in the
harm of their child because they have received incomplete information on a poorly
researched subject.
5. Parents must give consent – therefore it should be the parent held responsible, not
the doctor
The parent provides consent based on a good faith assumption that the doctors are
providing the best care possible and have properly weighed the risks and benefits of
treatment. However, the harms that come to a child (e.g. sterilization, permanent
disfiguration, heart disease risk, osteoporosis risk, etc.) are the primary result of
physicians who have performed the surgeries or given these medications. Only the doctor
can truly comprehend the potential scope of injury, and only they are licensed by the
state to prescribe and perform these procedures. It is not the job of the parent to
investigate any and all potential harms of a medication or procedure. It is the duty of a
licensed physician. Therefore the culpability for harms to a patient, falls on the
The effects of Puberty Blockers are NOT reversible. The important time lost for normal
development can never be regained.
A key period of bone strengthening is affected putting the child at risk for adult
osteoporosis.
A key period of brain development is affected, and many of the risks are unknown because
they have not been studied.
The U.K.'s Tavistock GIDS clinic showed that children on blockers reported GREATER self-
harm. Girls reported MORE behavioral and emotional problems, greater dissatisfaction with
body.
Also a key time of growing together and interacting with peers and reaching important
psychosocial milestones is lost forever.
An analogy: Just imagine you've taken your child out of 6th grade for the entire year. Is
the time lost reversible? If you put them back in sixth grade, are they not in class with
a bunch of students who are developmentally younger than they? Can the time lost studying
ever be regained? Will the child not be at a disadvantage trying to catch up to the next
-Mike

PWL
Those are the stats I've seen as well. So take away the medical students and
residents, and the AMA really isn't the A-MA.
political/ideological/financial manipulation. They are not scientific organizations,
and people don't seem to get that.
Andre
AMA membership hovers less than 20% of licensed physicians, actually about 17% of
physicians and medical students.
Decades ago, 3/4 of licensed doctors were members. The AMA movement towards
accepting doctors killing patients, and infants are patients, has destroyed the
membership over the decades.
The issue will be that a physician is not a consensus doctor if not abiding by AMA
affirmation guidelines.
In Tampa, August 2019, the opposing attorneys wrote: "Dr. Hudson is not a consensus
physician and clearly harms children."
Although they lost the case, gutting all of Florida's affirmation guidelines, they
included 13 medical and psychological organizations including, My God Yes!, the
American High School Counselors Association!
BH
On Jan 26, 2020, at 6:44 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
8263 Madison Blvd.
Suite E
Madison, AL 35758
Sent: 1/26/2020 4:44:22 PM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert"
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<tmillea@qcora.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
Bcc:
James
Suicide rates go up
Impact economy
PB are reversable
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 1/17/2020 6:36:48 AM
To: "Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Opposition from physicians intensifies
Dr. Brook Jones needs to explain to South Dakota lawmakers why there are so many more young people who after
following the current Standards of Care set forth in Gender Clinics are "coming out" after transitioning saying the
doctors failed them because the hormones and surgery were totally unnecessary. I one case the doctors produced "a
Frankenstein hack job" this is where the LGBTQ Hippocratic Oath acatually works to undermine the lives of young
people. My article this year below
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/01/02/transgender-clinics-are-ruining-young-lives/
Walt Heyer
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:17 AM, Fred Deutsch

need to be able to provide reasonable rebuttals. – Rep. Fred Deutsch
I am a Pediatrician and community member in South Dakota. I am writing today about my concerns about HB
1057, a bill that would criminalize doctors for performing gender-affirming, life-saving medical care
for transgender youth in our state.
The bill undermines my Hippocratic Oath that I took when I became a doctor, First Do No Harm. Current
standards of care for transgender youth and adolescents delays puberty until children are old enough to
make their own decisions about their lived gender. This bill would take away their choices, irreversibly
force them through puberty and undermine the prevailing recommendations of every major medical
association. The best practice in Pediatrics is for transgender and gender diverse individuals to have
access to comprehensive, gender-affirming, and developmentally appropriate health care. This bill goes
against evidence-based practice and discriminates against a vulnerable population. It puts children's
safety at risk, as transgender youth have increased risk of social isolation, suicide, homelessness,
physical violence, and substance abuse, particularly when their gender identity is not supported.
I implore you to vote against this bill, or if you are supporting it, reconsider your position. I also
encourage you to get in contact with local physicians treating these youth, to continue the conversation
about how this bill will negatively affect the children that we serve.
Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Children’s
Day at the Capitol. I invite you to come to our catered breakfast in the President and Speaker lobbies
starting at 7:00 am, to have the opportunity to talk and ask questions about children’s health.
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 1/17/2020 6:55:38 AM
To: "Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Dr. Kristina Olson a researcher on Gender Dysphoria admits they cannot identify gender dysphoria in kids and will
not know for another 20 years.
My article below
Walt Heyer
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:17 AM, Fred Deutsch

Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Children’s
Sent: 1/17/2020 7:02:45 AM
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks"
Fred: You definitely should have a pediatrician draft a response to this. If possible, maybe Michelle could have one
or more of their members in South Dakota sign onto the response to avoid a claim of outsiders trying to influence
(which of course is what the other side does all the time, but it is only OK for them). One good point of Dr.
Jones' letter is that she admits that they are doing these things to children which defuses one of the other side's
arguments about this is not being done to children and therefore the bill is not needed.
Praying for you as you deal with these issues as the first in line and blaze the trail for the rest.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 9:17 AM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

1057, a bill that would criminalize doctors for performing gender-affirming, life-saving medical care for
transgender youth in our state.
Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Children’s Day
at the Capitol. I invite you to come to our catered breakfast in the President and Speaker lobbies
--
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
(434) 610-0873
Attachment:
Sent: 1/17/2020 9:28:09 AM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>,
drmcretella@gmail.com, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger
Attachments: NBPAS_5886_Laidlaw_2018-01-12.pdf
All,
There has been some misinformation circulating on the web that my board certification was "revoked".
That is incorrect. I was board certified in Internal Medicine in 2005 and Endocrinology in 2006 by the ABIM. This
used to be a lifetime certification. But they changed the rules around so that if you graduated at a certain time,
then you have to recertify every 10 years. They call it "Maintenance of Certification". It's a very expensive and
time consuming process. And frankly BS, because no one who trained me has to recertify, as they have been
grandfathered in.
So I joined with a bunch of other doctors who had formed an alternative board certification group. And I recertified
with them instead in 2018. I have attached that certification. If you look me up on the site it will say pending,
because I just put in my reapplication on Jan 3. You have to recertify every 2 years. But its a far less expensive
process and only requires doing CMEs, just as it had always been!
https://nbpas.org/
I also post these credentials on my website:

http://www.drlaidlaw.com/site/about.html
Hope that clarifies if it comes up.
-Mike

Fred: You definitely should have a pediatrician draft a response to this. If possible, maybe Michelle could have
one or more of their members in South Dakota sign onto the response to avoid a claim of outsiders trying to
influence (which of course is what the other side does all the time, but it is only OK for them). One good point
of Dr. Jones' letter is that she admits that they are doing these things to children which defuses one of the other
side's arguments about this is not being done to children and therefore the bill is not needed.

Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Children's
starting at 7:00 am, to have the opportunity to talk and ask questions about children's health.
--
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
(434) 610-0873
Sent: 1/17/2020 9:56:29 AM
To: "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
In the mean time, the quacks go on quacking and reaping praise ...
On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 12:28 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

All,
There has been some misinformation circulating on the web that my board certification was "revoked".
That is incorrect. I was board certified in Internal Medicine in 2005 and Endocrinology in 2006 by the ABIM. This used to be a lifetime certification. But they changed the rules around so that
if you graduated at a certain time, then you have to recertify every 10 years. They call it "Maintenance of Certification". It's a very expensive and time consuming process. And frankly BS,
because no one who trained me has to recertify, as they have been grandfathered in.
So I joined with a bunch of other doctors who had formed an alternative board certification group. And I recertified with them instead in 2018. I have attached that certification. If you look
me up on the site it will say pending, because I just put in my reapplication on Jan 3. You have to recertify every 2 years. But its a far less expensive process and only requires doing CMEs,
just as it had always been!
https://nbpas.org/
I also post these credentials on my website:

http://www.drlaidlaw.com/site/about.html
Hope that clarifies if it comes up.
-Mike

Fred: You definitely should have a pediatrician draft a response to this. If possible, maybe Michelle could have one or more of their members in South Dakota sign onto the response to avoid
a claim of outsiders trying to influence (which of course is what the other side does all the time, but it is only OK for them). One good point of Dr. Jones' letter is that she admits that they
are doing these things to children which defuses one of the other side's arguments about this is not being done to children and therefore the bill is not needed.
11
I am a Pediatrician and community member in South Dakota. I am writing today about my concerns about HB 1057, a bill that would criminalize doctors for performing
gender-affirming, life-saving medical care for transgender youth in our state.
The bill undermines my Hippocratic Oath that I took when I became a doctor, First Do No Harm. Current standards of care for transgender youth and adolescents delays
puberty until children are old enough to make their own decisions about their lived gender. This bill would take away their choices, irreversibly force them through puberty
and undermine the prevailing recommendations of every major medical association. The best practice in Pediatrics is for transgender and gender diverse individuals to have
access to comprehensive, gender-affirming, and developmentally appropriate health care. This bill goes against evidence-based practice and discriminates against a
vulnerable population. It puts children's safety at risk, as transgender youth have increased risk of social isolation, suicide, homelessness, physical violence, and substance
abuse, particularly when their gender identity is not supported.
I implore you to vote against this bill, or if you are supporting it, reconsider your position. I also encourage you to get in contact with local physicians treating these
youth, to continue the conversation about how this bill will negatively affect the children that we serve.
Myself, and several other physicians will be at the Capitol on Wednesday, January 22, for Children's Day at the Capitol. I invite you to come to our catered breakfast in
the President and Speaker lobbies starting at 7:00 am, to have the opportunity to talk and ask questions about children's health.
--
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
(434) 610-0873
I I
From: Paul McHugh
Sent: 1/17/2020 11:28:36 AM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Monique
Subject: RE: Opposition from physicians intensifies
A rather direct debate point here Fred is to note that this pediatrician may think he or she took the Hippocratic oath but must have been partly asleep at the time . Specifically the Hippocratic Oath does not say
â€œFirst Do no harmâ€ This expression can be found in other Hippocratic writings but nowhere in the Oath. Rather the Oath expressly says that as a doctor â€œI will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining
free of all intentional injustice, of all mischiefâ€â€. There is no evidence beyond the level of testimonials from folk with an agenda that the â€œgender affirmingâ€ proposals this pediatrician would provide
â€œbenefitâ€ the child or anyone else for that matter and plenty of evidence that itâ€™s mischief. . Keep up the fight! Paul .
From: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>

Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 9:17 AM
To: Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; drmcretella@gmail.com
Cc: Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Dr. Mike Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; James
Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret
Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Paul McHugh <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter
<kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
11
From: Timothy Millea MD
Sent: 1/17/2020 6:29:20 AM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
"Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>,
Subject: RE: Opposition from physicians intensifies
Ironic. Her health system webpage lists her as â€œA Specialist In Pediatrics Child Abuseâ€.
â€œIf your ideals ignore reason, your instincts will ignore restraint.â€
- G.K. Chesterton
Tim
From: Fred Deutsch [mailto:Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov]

Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 8:17 AM
To: Mary McAlister; Natasha Chart; drmcretella@gmail.com
Cc: Michelle Cretella; Kelsey Coalition; David Pickup; Dr. Mike Laidlaw; Eunie Smith; Gary McCaleb; Glenn Ridder; Horvath Hacsi; Hudson, MD Bernard; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe); Jane Robbins; Lappert Patrick;
MD Paul Hruz PhD; Margaret Clarke; Matt Sharp; McHugh Paul; Monique Robles MD; Quentin Van Meter; Richard Mast; Roger Brooks; Scott, Greg; Timothy Millea MD; Vernadette Broyles; Walt Heyer; William Malone
Sent: 1/26/2020 7:03:04 AM
To: "patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestion
The problem with going down the circumcision path is other entities will bring up FGM, aka female genital
mutilation, as a rightful part of their faith or beliefs.
James
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 9:48 AM, patrick Lappert

<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com> wrote:
Circumcision, having many historic dimensions, has also many justifications. The Mosaic covenant ceremony being
the first, it has also been proposed in the past as a way of reducing cervical cancer. For most, it is cosmetic (
I want my boy to look like the other boys). There is no strictly valid medical indication apart from phimosis/
stricture.
Regardless of the "indication" for circumcision, the key element to be remembered is that in all cases it is
intended to serve the "gender" of the boy; that is it is in the service of the masculine sex, and meant to usher
them into the right function of man as father and husband in their particular culture. IT IS NOT A PROCEDURE THAT,
BY ITS NATURE, DESTROYS THE REPRODUCTIVE FACULTY.
Patrick
On January 26, 2020 at 9:07 AM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate, how can we justify male circumcision when the medical benefits of such are equivocal? Obviously, there is a GIANT difference in the outcome
of removing entire organs as opposed to just a bit of foreskin. I am thinking out loud about what the opposition might say in rebuttal.
Quentin
On January 26, 2020 at 12:56 AM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact
Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy study. We
concluded that it is not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by
doctors against girls and young women.
Here is my version rebutting the argument that this bill will cause an interference in the patient-
physician relationship:
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and
surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot
freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age
25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought
they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is
physically incapable of producing milk after her mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty.
Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or a
girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want
a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make such a
decision.
The physician who blocks normal puberty and places the child on a pathway to sterility - which is
what happens in the majority of cases - is a criminal.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed these are
not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships. The physician
who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully
caused harm to a child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child
is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly
provide consent to female genital mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and
doctors all sign forms in agreement.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the
prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is
criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental
capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities - to undergo these
harmful procedures.
-Mike
Short, sweet and top notch.
Quentin
All,
I've recorded my SD testimony and put it up on YouTube. Please share:
https://youtu.be/jBIDOSTgRTc
-Mike
On 2020-01-21 11:19, Natasha Chart wrote:
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side
effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no
directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could
prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles <

vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions
offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease.
They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be
protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart <
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be

willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that

Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I
(Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign
and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from
the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to
stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the
point of this bill — it nothing to do with
discriminating against any class of children, but rather
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of
children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right
to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is
no constitutional right to chemically and surgically
mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Laidlaw <
mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

argument.
-Mike


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The irony that a botched circumcision played a major role in the birth of gender identity shouldn't be lost on
anyone in this discussion. Referencing Dr. John Money and the dead Reimer boys.
James
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 9:48 AM, patrick Lappert

<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com> wrote:
Circumcision, having many historic dimensions, has also many justifications. The Mosaic covenant ceremony being
the first, it has also been proposed in the past as a way of reducing cervical cancer. For most, it is cosmetic (
I want my boy to look like the other boys). There is no strictly valid medical indication apart from phimosis/
stricture.
Patrick
Just to play devil's advocate, how can we justify male circumcision when the medical benefits of such are equivocal? Obviously, there is a GIANT difference in the outcome
of removing entire organs as opposed to just a bit of foreskin. I am thinking out loud about what the opposition might say in rebuttal.
Quentin
Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy study. We
25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought
they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is
Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or a
girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want
a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make such a
decision.
The physician who blocks normal puberty and places the child on a pathway to sterility - which is
what happens in the majority of cases - is a criminal.
not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships. The physician
who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully
is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly
provide consent to female genital mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and
doctors all sign forms in agreement.
prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is
harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.

Vernadette

770.448.4525


Fred and all,

(Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign
and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to
stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the
point of this bill — it nothing to do with
children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right
to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is
no constitutional right to chemically and surgically
mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no
Vernadette

770.448.4525

argument.
-Mike


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Quentin,
I see that comparison as apples and oranges because in this instance the opposition are using the surgeries, to
borrow their language, as "gender confirmation."
It's important to note the evolution of the surgical language. It went from sex change surgery, to sex reassignment
surgery, to now gender confirmation surgery. All of this occurred because they were confronted with the fact that
white you can't change sex, you can change gender. Which has now created the problem of female meaning feminine and
male meaning masculine, which is driving the whole mess.
Then, of course, what does it say about those who refuse to surgically "confirm" their gender?
Answer: They are not a "true" transsexual. As if their really is such a thing. There's just varying degrees of
mental illness and comorbid sexual paraphilias.
James
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 9:07 AM, QUENTIN VAN METER

Just to play devil's advocate, how can we justify male circumcision when the medical benefits of such are equivocal? Obviously, there is a GIANT difference in the outcome of removing
entire organs as opposed to just a bit of foreskin. I am thinking out loud about what the opposition might say in rebuttal.
Quentin
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and
I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy study. We concluded that it is
not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and
young women.
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically
removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot freely give
consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old
would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have
regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of
producing milk after her mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty
blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or a girl of that age
cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional
sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make such a decision.
The physician who blocks normal puberty and places the child on a pathway to sterility - which is what
happens in the majority of cases - is a criminal.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed these are not
physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships. The physician who does
mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to
a child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to
consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female genital
mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is criminal in
these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity
to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities - to undergo these harmful
procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect,
rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that
children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome,
surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of
treatment.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles < vbroyles@childparentrights.org>

wrote:
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a
cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part
of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a
developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com>

wrote:
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing
to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person
who needs to be sterilized as children.

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary
(UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law,
Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask
Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if
she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response.
We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely
missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with
children, and all children (given the social contagion). While
there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child
to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where
there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525


On a different note, I have this new thread dispelling the "wrong puberty" argument.
-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization
of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot
give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does
not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be
sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU
and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their
equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being
treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will
ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com>

wrote:
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM < drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad
nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is
the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact
and principle.
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On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Kelsey

Coalition < kelseycoalition@gmail.com>
wrote:
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a
child to a life-altering medical experiment
with unknown long-term consequences.
Without this ban in place, SD will follow what
is already happening in other states: minors
who successfully sue in court to obtain this
supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention.
And when they grow up with irreversible
regret, who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to prevent custody
battles. We have several parents who have
reached out to the KC because of a former
spouse who is intent on medicalizing their
child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as
difficult as finding a therapist. And even
when they do, who knows how a judge will
rule? Banning these procedures will take
these serious medical decisions away from
misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically
necessary intervention is the big
unchallenged domino that is driving both the
legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-
repeated claim with no support and it must
be confronted directly.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM Natasha

Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
The ACLU have done as much as
anyone could to make sure it's
impossible to define a class of
persons under these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM
< drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Look at the medical
claim in that "legal"
ACLU quote; it is
false on multiple
grounds
"no such thing as a
medically diagnosable
group of trans
anybody; we are
talking about minors!
blockers, wrong sex
hormones and
surgical mutilation
are never medically
necessary in minors!"
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Subject: Re: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestions? - Physician-Patient relationship
A thought comes to mind from a conversation with Fred yesterday. Is there anything in these bills that stops parents from transporting these children across state lines for hormones,
blockers or surgeries?
As I pointed out to Fred yesterday, Jazz Jennings would get flown to California to get treated by Olson-Kennedy. Most of the surgeries at taking place on the west coast and at a chop shop
in the northeast.
California: "For the last four years, Drs. Gil and Zol Kryger have averaged 100 “top surgeries” a year, each costing $6,000 to $9,000."
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/lifestyle/people/sdut-transgender-teens-new-life-2016apr07-story.html
"Johnson is one of the top surgeons for transgender chest reconstruction in the country, performing, she believes, the most such surgeries in New England, and
possibly in the Northeast."
https://www.providencejournal.com/topics/special-reports/actually-andy/20131202-actually-andy-part-3-surgery-is-a-major-milestone-in-transgender-
journey-gallery.ece
And as the opposition likes to claim now: "we don't know of any doctors operating on kids in South Dakota."
So while the act may deter them from setting up shop: where are we on the interstate transport question?
Should bill language also address transporting a state's children across state lines?
James
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 01:43:13 PM EST, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Appreciate that Gary. I will definitely keep that in mind from here on out. I will keep those thoughts to our group.
The key again is for Fred to show that these procedures do not constitute part of the normal doctor-patient relationship (which is what the other side is trying to argue). The minor cannot provide meaningful consent. And
therefore the physician who performs these procedures and prescribes these meds for the specific purpose of “gender change” has committed a crime.
I’ll leave it to the legal and legislative people to figure out how to best put these concepts into words that will convince the governor that she has strong reasoning to sign the bill.
-Mike
Here's the email chain with Kara removed as requested and Greg removed because he's on vacation.
Please put further comments in this thread when it hitting reply all. Understandably, it's difficult to edit addressed on mobile devices.
James
On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 12:31:06 PM EST, Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making is that doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients, but seemed unduly
strident and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular doctors
become criminals.
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 07:17 Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
That's an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas for Fred to
consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet "on the books"?
Seems as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way then what I've
written.
-Mike
On 2020-01-26 06:01, Gary McCaleb wrote:
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices pose
a clear and present danger to patients—especially children—the state must act.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 22:56 Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy's teen mastectomy
study. We concluded that it is not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and young women.
Here is my version rebutting the argument that this bill will cause an interference in the patient-physician relationship:
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old
cannot freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts
replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after her
mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A
boy or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able
to make such a decision.
The physician who blocks normal puberty and places the child on a pathway to sterility - which is what happens in the majority of cases - is a criminal.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed these are not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships. The
physician who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the
parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female genital mutilation in another context. No
matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The
physician is criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities - to
undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer
must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human
development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be sterilized as children.
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and
send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children,
but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to
carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is
child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give
informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in
Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating
for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact
the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.

Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and
principle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Kelsey Coalition < kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow
what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up
with irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who is intent on
medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these
procedures will take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-
repeated claim with no support and it must be confronted directly.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM Natasha Chart < natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to make sure it's impossible to define a class of persons under these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM < drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that "legal" ACLU quote; it is false on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never
medically necessary in minors!"
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2020, at 5:00 PM, David Pickup < davidpickuplmft@gmail.com> wrote:
Translation..."It's ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we're preserving a class of people." This is the height of political correctness.
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Legal experts have an opinion on that statement?
-Mike
On 2020-01-15 11:59, Fred Deutsch wrote:
Updated and expanded article from our state's largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the article. Let me know any
recommendations you may have to counter. - Fred
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-reassignment-surgeries-
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Yes, excellent Mike. As a parent who was lied to and coerced to put my daughter on puberty blocking drugs, I am personally outraged at the deference to the
sanctity of the family/doctor relationship on this issue.
My daughter's gender clinician snidely dismissed my concerns and told me I had a choice between blockers and a mental hospital. It is impossible for a parent to
make an informed choice when all of the medical associations and your own trusted physician is telling you these drugs are not only safe, but vital to prevent your
child's suicide. People have to understand what that pressure feels like to realize why "informed consent" is simply not true.
This is not healthcare, this is medical experimentation.
This is not about informed consent, this is about misinformed consent.
Parents used to give consent for lobotomies. Doctors used to prescribe thalidomide. We must learn from history. We must never allow medical experimentation to
go unchallenged.
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 1:01 AM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent summary, Michael. And I think we shall all get to say this a lot of times before this is over. Teaching
with patience is a good goal for us.
Andre
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen
mastectomy study. We concluded that it is not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and young women.
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14
year old cannot freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have
functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual
dysfunction. A boy or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not
developmentally able to make such a decision.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed these are not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim
relationships. The physician who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a child - notwithstanding the
desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female genital
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive
capabilities - to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with
cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be sterilized as
children.
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can
sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may
be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot
give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and
similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated
differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments
as do other children.
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this
fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD
will follow what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And
when they grow up with irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule?
Banning these procedures will take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an
oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be confronted directly.
Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are
never medically necessary in minors!"
Sent from my iPhone
Translation..."It's ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we're preserving a class of people." This is the height of political
correctness.
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Updated and expanded article from our state's largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the article. Let me
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<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Natasha
Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
As usual you guys are working above and beyond the call, and putting out excellent (!) work. The one suggestion I
have would be to drop the direct characterization as criminals and focus solely on the medical aspects until the
end, and then say that these acts are so far outside standard medical practice and pose such a threat to patients
that the state is well justified in identifying this as a crime. G.

The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot
freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women
who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after her mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or
a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make
such a decision.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development
and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send.
I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the
response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to
term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed
consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v.
Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for
involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the
opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.
principle.
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what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with
irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing
their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will
take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated
claim with no support and it must be confronted directly.
Mike,
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How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government
regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices pose a clear and present danger to patients—
especially children—the state must act.

The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot
freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women
who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after her mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or
a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make
such a decision.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development
and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send.
I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to
term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for
involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the
opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.

principle.
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Quentin
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I
and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedyâ€™s teen mastectomy study. We concluded that it is not
a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and young
women.
Here is my version rebutting the argument that this bill will cause an interference in the patient-physician
relationship:
removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot freely give consent
to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would
want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this
happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after
her mastectomy.
mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a
child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to
comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities - to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
treatment.

wrote:
cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of
normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing
minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

wrote:
to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person who
needs to be sterilized as children.

Fred and all,
she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We
also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing
the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather everything to do with
protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children
(given the social contagion). While there may be a
constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under
Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and
surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no
disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525


-Mike

give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not
exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and
similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal
protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated
differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that
"transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do
other children.
Agreed.
nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and
principle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Kelsey Coalition <

kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
child to a life-altering medical experiment with
unknown long-term consequences. Without this
ban in place, SD will follow what is already
happening in other states: minors who
successfully sue in court to obtain this
And when they grow up with irreversible regret,
spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child.
Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult
as finding a therapist. And even when they do,
who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these
procedures will take these serious medical
decisions away from misinformed judges.
necessary intervention is the big unchallenged
domino that is driving both the legal and medical
scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no
support and it must be confronted directly.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM <

Mike,
Look at the medical
ACLU quote; it is false
on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a
group of trans anybody;
we are talking about
minors! blockers, wrong
sex hormones and
surgical mutilation are
never medically
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harm boys
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body parts
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class of
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That’s an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming
from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas for Fred to consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the
legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet “on the books”? Seems as though it has to be said somehow
that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less
inflammatory way then what I’ve written.
-Mike
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government
regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices pose a clear and present danger to patients—
especially children—the state must act.

mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy
or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to
make such a decision.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician
is criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part
of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but
rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry
a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child
abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Agreed.

principle.
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To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "mike@drlaidlaw.com" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
Subject: RE: Opposition strategy outlined in article. Have suggestions? - Physician-Patient relationship
I donâ€™t believe the question is the medical benefits. The question is whether the circumcision is performed â€œfor the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the
minor's perception of the minor's sex, if that perception is inconsistent with the minor's sex.â€ - Fred

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 8:07 AM
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Patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul
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<Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Kara Dansky <kara11@me.com>
Quentin
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I
and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedyâ€™s teen mastectomy study. We concluded that it is not
a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and young
women.
Here is my version rebutting the argument that this bill will cause an interference in the patient-physician
relationship:
removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old cannot freely give consent
to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would
want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this
happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after
her mastectomy.
mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a
child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to
comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities - to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive
that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a
humane end goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They
are part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of
person who needs to be sterilized as children.
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I
(Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be
key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it
nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a
vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right
to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating
one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
-Mike
give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not
exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial
sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and
similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal
protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated
differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that
"transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do
other children.
Agreed.

nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and
principle.
Sent from my iPhone

child to a life-altering medical experiment with
unknown long-term consequences. Without this
ban in place, SD will follow what is already
happening in other states: minors who
successfully sue in court to obtain this
And when they grow up with irreversible regret,
spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child.
Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult
as finding a therapist. And even when they do,
who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these
procedures will take these serious medical
necessary intervention is the big unchallenged
domino that is driving both the legal and medical
scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no
support and it must be confronted directly.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM <
Mike,
Look at the medical
ACLU quote; it is false
on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a
group of trans anybody;
we are talking about
minors! blockers, wrong
sex hormones and
surgical mutilation are
never medically
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15,
2020, at
5:00 PM,
David Pickup
<
davidpickupl
mft@gmail.c
om> wrote:
Translation..
."It's ok to
harm boys
by removing
body parts
because at
least we're
preserving a
class of
people."
This is the
height of
political
correctness.
I
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<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt
Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard
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"Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>
Circumcision, having many historic dimensions, has also many justifications. The Mosaic covenant ceremony being the
first, it has also been proposed in the past as a way of reducing cervical cancer. For most, it is cosmetic ( I want
my boy to look like the other boys). There is no strictly valid medical indication apart from phimosis/ stricture.
Patrick
Just to play devil's advocate, how can we justify male circumcision when the medical benefits of such are equivocal? Obviously, there is a GIANT difference in the outcome of
removing entire organs as opposed to just a bit of foreskin. I am thinking out loud about what the opposition might say in rebuttal.
Quentin
Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedyâ€™s teen mastectomy study. We
25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they
were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is
blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy or a girl of
that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child
and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to make such a decision.
not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships. The physician who
does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully
is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide
consent to female genital mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign
forms in agreement.
prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The physician is criminal
in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.

Vernadette

770.448.4525



Fred and all,

(Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and
send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would
be key part of the response. We also need to stress the
point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this
bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating against any
class of children, but rather everything to do with
protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all
children (given the social contagion). While there may be
a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term
(under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body,
where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child
abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525


-Mike

sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent.
Their parents cannot give informed consent since the knowledge
necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court
struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner
v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even
if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and
similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also
their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are
not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is
true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections
from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM < drmcretella@gmail.com>
wrote:
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat
it ad nauseam regardless the question or
accusation. That is the bottom line here. We
must be bull dogs on this fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

Coalition <
No doctor or parent has a right to
subject a child to a life-altering
medical experiment with unknown
long-term consequences. Without
this ban in place, SD will follow what
is already happening in other states:
minors who successfully sue in court
to obtain this supposedly "life-
saving" medical intervention. And
when they grow up with irreversible
regret, who will be liable? The
state.
prevent custody battles. We have
several parents who have reached
out to the KC because of a former
spouse who is intent on medicalizing
their child. Finding an attorney to
help is nearly as difficult as finding a
therapist. And even when they do,
who knows how a judge will rule?
Banning these procedures will take
these serious medical decisions
away from misinformed judges.

medically necessary intervention is
the big unchallenged domino that is
driving both the legal and medical
scandal. This is an oft-repeated
claim with no support and it must be
confronted directly.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM
Natasha Chart <
The ACLU have done as
much as anyone could
to make sure it's
impossible to define a
class of persons under
these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020,

5:22 PM <
drmcretella@gmail.com>
wrote:
Mike,
Look at the
medical
claim in that
"legal" ACLU
quote; it is
false on
multiple
grounds
"no such
thing as a
medically
diagnosable
group of
trans
anybody;
we are
talking
about
minors!
blockers,
wrong sex
hormones
and surgical
mutilation
are never
medically
necessary in
minors!"
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From: Kara Dansky
Sent: 1/26/2020 6:54:12 AM
To: "patrick Lappert" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>,
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Matt
Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard
Request: if this is going off into a conversation about the pros and cons of male circumcision, could someone please
take me off it? It's not that I don't care about that issue, it's just that it's a different issue than the one
immediately before us.
It would be beneficial, as a general matter, if people could update subject lines in order to track conversation
topics.
Thank you!
Kara
On January 26, 2020 at 9:48 AM, patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com> wrote:
Circumcision, having many historic dimensions, has also many justifications. The Mosaic covenant ceremony
being the first, it has also been proposed in the past as a way of reducing cervical cancer. For most, it is
cosmetic ( I want my boy to look like the other boys). There is no strictly valid medical indication apart
from phimosis/ stricture.
intended to serve the "gender" of the boy; that is it is in the service of the masculine sex, and meant to
usher them into the right function of man as father and husband in their particular culture. IT IS NOT A
PROCEDURE THAT, BY ITS NATURE, DESTROYS THE REPRODUCTIVE FACULTY.
Patrick
Just to play devil's advocate, how can we justify male circumcision when the medical benefits of such are equivocal? Obviously, there is a GIANT difference in the
outcome of removing entire organs as opposed to just a bit of foreskin. I am thinking out loud about what the opposition might say in rebuttal.
Quentin
Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy’s teen mastectomy study.
We concluded that it is not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of
crimes by doctors against girls and young women.
Here is my version rebutting the argument that this bill will cause an interference in the
patient-physician relationship:
surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act. The 14 year old
cannot freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what
her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can never have functional breasts replaced.
Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses
donor milk because she is physically incapable of producing milk after her mastectomy.
Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction. A boy
or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30
would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally able to
The physician who blocks normal puberty and places the child on a pathway to sterility - which
is what happens in the majority of cases - is a criminal.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed
these are not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships.
The physician who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty
blockers has willfully caused harm to a child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of
the parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result.
Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female genital mutilation in another
context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can
sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room. The
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and
developmental capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities
- to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a

side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes.
There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if
doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type
of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such
interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex
are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and
human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
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Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she

would be willing to join a statement saying that there's
no definable class of person who needs to be sterilized as
children.

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU

that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard
Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for
children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky
(former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if
she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's
email re: involuntary sterilization would be key
part of the response. We also need to stress the
point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of
this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable
group of children, and all children (given the
social contagion). While there may be a
constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to
term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right
to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's
healthy body, where there is no disease to be
treated — that is child abuse.
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On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael
Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

On a different note, I have this new thread dispelling the "wrong
puberty" argument.
-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to
involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or
psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed
consent since the knowledge necessary for informed
consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down
laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v.
Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be
sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court
order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for
involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal
protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are
not being treated differently from other children. In fact
the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren"
have the same protections from dangerous medical

Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM <
Let's Memorize Katherine's response
and repeat it ad nauseam regardless
the question or accusation. That is
the bottom line here. We must be
bull dogs on this fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 16, 2020, at

7:59 AM, Kelsey
Coalition <
kelseycoalition@gmail.co
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No doctor or parent has
a right to subject a child
to a life-altering medical
experiment with
unknown long-term
consequences. Without
this ban in place, SD will
follow what is already
happening in other
states: minors who
successfully sue in court
to obtain this
supposedly "life-saving"
medical intervention.
And when they grow up
with irreversible regret,
who will be liable? The
state.
This ban is also
important to prevent
custody battles. We
have several parents
who have reached out
to the KC because of a
former spouse who is
intent on medicalizing
their child. Finding an
attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as
finding a therapist. And
even when they do,
who knows how a judge
will rule? Banning these
procedures will take
these serious medical
decisions away from
misinformed judges.
The claim that this is
lifesaving medically
necessary intervention
is the big unchallenged
domino that is driving
both the legal and
medical scandal. This is
an oft-repeated claim
with no support and it
must be confronted
directly.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020

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1 1is criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law."
I would agree that this is a little strong. A criminal act can be a crime if either: (1) it is codified in state or
federal law as a crime, or (2) it is recognized at common law as a crime.
We are in a murky area here, and I think this is something of a distraction from the underlying problem, which is
that physicians are performing medically unnecessary and harmful practices on children. I would suggest simply
sticking to that, and worrying less about whether or not an act is a crime before it is codified. I would be
surprised if the opposition would pick on that.
On January 26, 2020 at 9:17 AM, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
Thatâ€™s an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas for
Fred to consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet â€œon the
booksâ€? Seems as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way
then what Iâ€™ve written.
-Mike
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical
practices pose a clear and present danger to patientsâ€”especially childrenâ€”the state must act.

The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-Kennedy's teen
functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable of
dysfunction. A boy or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are
not developmentally able to make such a decision.
desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female
genital mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the operating room.
The physician is criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children
with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of
treatment.
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children.
Fred and all,
would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there
may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body,
where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
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Agreed.
fact and principle.
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Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making is that
doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients, but seemed unduly strident and
accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the
law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular doctors become criminals.

That’s an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas for Fred to
consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet “on the books”? Seems
as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way then what I’ve written.
-Mike
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices pose
a clear and present danger to patients—especially children—the state must act.
mastectomy.
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Quentin
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Exactly.
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Can everyone responding to this email chain please remove me?
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On January 26, 2020 at 12:31 PM, Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making
is that doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients, but seemed unduly
strident and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical
case, then bring the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular
doctors become criminals.

That’s an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas for
Fred to consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet “on the
books”? Seems as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way
then what I’ve written.
-Mike
practices pose a clear and present danger to patients—especially children—the state must act.

functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable
of producing milk after her mastectomy.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
treatment.
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children.
Fred and all,
sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary
sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with
discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion).
While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's
healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
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-Mike
Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents
cannot give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization
of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the
ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being
treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on
this fact and principle.
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This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who is intent
on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule?

Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation
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On 2020-01-26 09:36, Kara Dansky wrote:
Hi everyone,
Thanks!
Kara
Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making is
that doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients, but seemed unduly strident
and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring
the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular doctors become
criminals.

consider.
written.
-Mike
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices
pose a clear and present danger to patients—especially children—the state must act.
mastectomy.
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and sexual dysfunction.
A boy or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual relationships. They are not developmentally
able to make such a decision.
The cases described here do not constitute healthy physician-patient relationships. Indeed these are not physician-patient relationships at all, they are criminal-victim relationships.
The physician who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a child - notwithstanding the desires or knowledge
of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly provide consent to female genital mutilation in another
context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and reproductive capabilities -
to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
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Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign
and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be
key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of
children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right
to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be
Vernadette

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-Mike

Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups
advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other
children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact
and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will
follow what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they
grow up with irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning
these procedures will take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.

Mike,
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Updated and expanded article from our state's largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the article. Let me know
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Appreciate that Gary. I will definitely keep that in mind from here on out. I will keep those thoughts to our group.
The key again is for Fred to show that these procedures do not constitute part of the normal doctor-patient
relationship (which is what the other side is trying to argue). The minor cannot provide meaningful consent. And
therefore the physician who performs these procedures and prescribes these meds for the specific purpose of “gender
change” has committed a crime.
I’ll leave it to the legal and legislative people to figure out how to best put these concepts into words that will
convince the governor that she has strong reasoning to sign the bill.
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James
strident and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular
doctors become criminals.
consider.
written.
-Mike
mastectomy.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
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Fred and all,
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of
children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to
refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated
— that is child abuse.
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-Mike

Agreed.
and principle.
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Hi everyone,

Thanks!
Kara
Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making is that doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients,
but seemed unduly strident and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of
medicine rather than making particular doctors become criminals.
Thatâ€™s an excellent line Gary. And I suppose my language would be seen as to stark and harsh, particularly coming from a physician. Though I was more so putting out ideas
for Fred to consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet â€œon the
booksâ€? Seems as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way
then what Iâ€™ve written.
-Mike
practices pose a clear and present danger to patientsâ€”especially childrenâ€”the state must act.
functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is physically incapable
of producing milk after her mastectomy.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
treatment.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
children.
Fred and all,

would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may
be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where
there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525
-Mike
criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar
groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently
from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other
children.
Agreed.
fact and principle.
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Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Bernard
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Question for the Kelsey Klan along with the rest of the team. The impossibility of truly informed consent from a
minor and the coercion of parents (â€œdo you want a live son or a dead daughter,â€ etc.) are solid points we have
used. Do you think it unwise, in this particular context, to also bring up that sometimes the parents have their own
issues (narcissism, Muchausen's by proxy, etc.), in which case the child is again at unprotected risk? Thatâ€™s the
reason that watchful waiting involves psychological evaluation of the family and its dynamic as well as that of the
child patient. Or is bringing that up in this context too easily used by opponents as, â€œSo youâ€™re saying the the
bad guys are the medical professionals AND parents both?!â€ We are trying to gain allies here, not carelessly
discard them.
Thanks,
Andre
On Jan 26, 2020, at 5:03 AM, Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, excellent Mike. As a parent who was lied to and coerced to put my daughter on puberty blocking drugs, I am personally outraged at the deference
to the sanctity of the family/doctor relationship on this issue.
My daughter's gender clinician snidely dismissed my concerns and told me I had a choice between blockers and a mental hospital. It is impossible for a
parent to make an informed choice when all of the medical associations and your own trusted physician is telling you these drugs are not only safe, but
vital to prevent your child's suicide. People have to understand what that pressure feels like to realize why "informed consent" is simply not true.
This is not healthcare, this is medical experimentation.
This is not about informed consent, this is about misinformed consent.
Parents used to give consent for lobotomies. Doctors used to prescribe thalidomide. We must learn from history. We must never allow medical
experimentation to go unchallenged.
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 1:01 AM Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent summary, Michael. And I think we shall all get to say this a lot of times before this is over.
Teaching with patience is a good goal for us.
Andre
The following is along the lines of what Kara, Natasha, and Michelle have been saying. In fact Michelle and I and others once had a conversation about Olson-
Kennedyâ€™s teen mastectomy study. We concluded that it is not a scientific study at all, but a document filled with details of crimes by doctors against girls and
young women.
Doctors who willfully harm patients are criminals. If a doctor drugs a patient unconscious and surgically removes her 14 year old, healthy breasts, this is a criminal act.
The 14 year old cannot freely give consent to this procedure as she does not have the capacity to know what her self at age 25 or 30 years old would want. She can
never have functional breasts replaced. Women who thought they were trans have regretted this happened to them. One such woman uses donor milk because she is
Likewise an 11 or 12 year old cannot make an informed consent decision to stop normal puberty. Puberty blockers lead in the majority of cases to sterilization and
sexual dysfunction. A boy or a girl of that age cannot possibly know or understand if their future self at age 25 or 30 would want a child and functional sexual
relationships. They are not developmentally able to make such a decision.
relationships. The physician who does mastectomies of 14 year old breasts or provides 11 years old puberty blockers has willfully caused harm to a child -
notwithstanding the desires or knowledge of the parents or child! The child is simply not able to consent to the harms that will result. Just as a girl could not possibly
provide consent to female genital mutilation in another context. No matter if the parents and doctors all sign forms in agreement.
The physician is ultimately responsible for the harms as he or she is the only one who can sign the prescriptions and use the scalpels and surgical tools in the
operating room. The physician is criminal in these scenarios and must be prosecuted by the law.
A just society cannot allow children - who by nature do not have the cognitive and developmental capacity to comprehend the damage to their bodies and
reproductive capabilities - to undergo these harmful procedures.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that
children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end
goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of
normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
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Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be
sterilized as children.
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for
children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email
re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it
nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children
(given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

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-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their
parents cannot give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws
providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent
without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are
without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren"
have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull
dogs on this fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in
place, SD will follow what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical
intervention. And when they grow up with irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who
is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how
a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal.
This is an oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be confronted directly.
Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical
mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!"
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Updated and expanded article from our state's largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the
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I think the sterilization abuse framework from our whitepaper on historical eugenics practices might be a good
opening approach. It also addresses the main problem with blockers and hormones in younger patients, which is a lot
more likely to be going on in SD, in the younger group of children covered by the proposed legislation.
http://womensliberationfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Eugenics-Then-and-Now-1-26-2020_formatted.pdf
I think keeping the focus on sterilization is valuable because it's already been recognized as a problem, & has
already had a federal funding restriction enacted on it for over 40 years, for anyone under 21. It's a direct
answer, as well, to the claim that the drugs used in gender procedures should be allowed because they're supposedly
less invasive.
But they're in most cases going to be as functionally impactful as surgery when administered before maturation of
the gonads. The effective metabolic difference between removing the ovaries or testes with surgery, or deactivating
them permanently with drugs, is minimal. Menopause is about the same if it comes through organ shutdown or surgical
means, though surgery is more abrupt.
Also, I've removed Greg and Kara from this reply, as well.
On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 12:31 PM Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, mike; you raise an excellent point, and that is worth working in. The point I was indirectly making is that
doctors are speaking from their strength when you speak to medicine and patients, but seemed unduly strident and
accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the
law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular doctors become criminals.

consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet “on the books”?
Seems as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way then what I’ve
written.
-Mike
mastectomy.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
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Fred and all,
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children,
but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to
carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is
child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

Agreed.
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strident and accusatory when you deem other doctors as criminals out the gate. Better to make the medical case, then bring the law in as an aid to protecting the practice of medicine rather than making particular doctors
become criminals.

consider.
Stepping back a bit though, philosophically, we are trying to make something to be recognized as a crime by the legal system. But is a crime not a crime if it is not yet “on the books”? Seems
as though it has to be said somehow that these are crimes waiting to be recognized and codified into law. Perhaps it could be stated in a less inflammatory way then what I’ve written.
-Mike
How about closiNg with the point that as medical professionals you would never support unnecessary government regulation or Your profession. But when dangerous medical practices pose a
clear and present danger to patients—especially children—the state must act.
mastectomy.
-Mike
Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
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Fred and all,
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Agreed.
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Very strong work, Michael. Posted and posted!
Andre
All,
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Exactly.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 1:46 PM Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
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On Jan 21, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred and all,
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of
children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to
refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated
â€” that is child abuse.
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On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 8:55 AM Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:33 AM <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

principle.
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Mike,
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Thanks, Mike. And Kelsey Coalition testimony is posted on our website for
sharing: https://www.kelseycoalition.org/testimonials

All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be
sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and
Vernadette
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Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I
can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term
(under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

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-Mike

consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma
and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of
children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will
ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and principle.
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No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow what is
already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with irreversible
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their
child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will take these
serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim
with no support and it must be confronted directly.


Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically
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Thanks, Mike. And Kelsey Coalition testimony is posted on our website for
sharing: https://www.kelseycoalition.org/testimonials

All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must
be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.

Vernadette
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Fred and all,
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and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization
of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will
Agreed.

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Blessings,
James
On Friday, January 24, 2020, 08:08:07 PM EST, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could
prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former
ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is
entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization
of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will
Agreed.
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On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 8:08 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be
sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.

Vernadette

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Fred and all,
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children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will

Agreed.
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Quentin
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal,
of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized,
and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty
and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and
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Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a
statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be sterilized
as children.

wrote:
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely),
Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children)
can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of Womens
Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to
stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it
nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all
children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional
right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional
right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there
is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette
770.448.4525
On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Michael Laidlaw < mike@drlaidlaw.com>

wrote:

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot
legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the knowledge
necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for
sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized
even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for
involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren"
are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that
"transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the
question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this
fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering

medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this
ban in place, SD will follow what is already happening in other states:
minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-
saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with irreversible
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several

parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse
who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who
knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will take these
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is
the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical
scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 6:47 PM Natasha Chart <

The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to make sure
it's impossible to define a class of persons under these
laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM < drmcretella@gmail.com>
wrote:
Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that "legal" ACLU
quote; it is false on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group
of trans anybody; we are talking about minors!
blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical
mutilation are never medically necessary in
minors!"
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Pickup <
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Translation..."It's ok to harm boys

by removing body parts because at
least we're preserving a class of
people." This is the height of
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On Friday, January 24, 2020, 08:08:07 PM EST, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:
All,
-Mike
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could
prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child's biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former
ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she'd be willing to sign from the left. Mary's email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely
missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion).
While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one's healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated
— that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure
that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.

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already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with irreversible regret,
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with
no support and it must be confronted directly.

Mike,
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Quentin,
That's the contradiction impossible to miss in this 2009 Tribune article criticizing the use of Lupron to treat
autism. My how the media reversed course for gender dysphoria.
'Miracle drug' called junk science
'Miracle drug' called junk science
James
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:32 PM, QUENTIN VAN METER

Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism because it was
unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this
stuff!
Quentin
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose
of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex offenders. The treatments are
one and the same.
James

Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a
goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be
sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of
child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure.
Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human
Vernadette


770.448.4525
statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be

wrote:
Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely),
Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for
children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU lawyer) of
Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s
email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We
also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of
this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of
children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of
children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be
a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there
is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s
healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette


770.448.4525

wrote:

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They
cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the
knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws
providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults
cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar
groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are
without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the
opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous
medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.

question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on
Sent from my iPhone

No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering

medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences.
Without this ban in place, SD will follow what is already happening
in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain
this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have

several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a
former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an
attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And
even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning
these procedures will take these serious medical decisions away
from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is
the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and
medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no support
and it must be confronted directly.

The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to
make sure it's impossible to define a class of persons
under these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM <

Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that "legal"
ACLU quote; it is false on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable
group of trans anybody; we are talking
about minors! blockers, wrong sex
hormones and surgical mutilation are
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2020, at 5:00 PM,

David Pickup <
davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>
wrote:
Translation..."It's ok to harm
boys by removing body parts
because at least we're
preserving a class of people."
This is the height of political
correctness.
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"The ACLU of SD
said in a
statement that
it's
unconstitutional
to single out one
group of people
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matter how
medically
necessary".
Legal experts
have an opinion
on that
statement?
-Mike
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Similarly, Kaiser has no problem dissing Lupron for precocious puberty but endorses it for gender dysphoria.
Women Fear Drug They Used To Halt Puberty Led To Health Problems
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Puberty Led To Health Problems
Despite questions about Lupron’s lasting side effects and minimal
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Years later, some young women are still living with the consequ…
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 4:32 PM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism because it was
unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this
stuff!
Quentin
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose
of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex offenders. The treatments are
one and the same.
James

Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a
goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be
sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of
child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure.
Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human
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statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs to be

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL
Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem
for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU
lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the
left. Mary’s email re: involuntary sterilization would be key part of the
response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely
missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating
against any class of children, but rather everything to do with
protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the
social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to
carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no
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wrote:

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They
cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the
knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws
providing for sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults
cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar
groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are
without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the
opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous
Agreed.
question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs
on this fact and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-

altering medical experiment with unknown long-term
consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow what is
already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue
in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical
intervention. And when they grow up with irreversible regret,
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have
several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a
former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding
an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist.
And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule?
Banning these procedures will take these serious medical
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention
is the big unchallenged domino that is driving both the legal and
medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no support
and it must be confronted directly.
The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to
make sure it's impossible to define a class of persons
under these laws.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM <
Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that "legal"
ACLU quote; it is false on multiple
grounds
"no such thing as a medically
diagnosable group of trans anybody; we
are talking about minors! blockers,
wrong sex hormones and surgical
mutilation are never medically necessary
in minors!"
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2020, at 5:00

PM, David Pickup <
davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>
wrote:
Translation..."It's ok to harm
boys by removing body parts
because at least we're
preserving a class of
people." This is the height of
political correctness.
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"The ACLU of SD
said in a
statement that
it's
unconstitutional
to single out one
group of people
and
categorically
ban all care, no
matter how
medically
necessary".
Legal experts
have an opinion
on that
statement?
-Mike
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you
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Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism
because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early
stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex
offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James
Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that
children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end
goal of treatment.
Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a disease. They are
part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing minor.
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Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person
Fred and all,
Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re: involuntary sterilization would be key
part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing
to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of
children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child
to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where
Vernadette

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-Mike
wrote:
Agreed.

and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

wrote:


misinformed judges.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM

Mike,
Look at the medical
ACLU quote; it is
false on multiple
grounds
"no such thing as a
group of trans
anybody; we are
blockers, wrong sex
hormones and
surgical mutilation
are never medically
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan
15, 2020,
at 5:00
PM,
David
Pickup <
davidpick
uplmft@g
mail.com
> wrote:
Translati
on..."It's
ok to
harm
boys by
removing
body
parts
because
at least
we're
preservin
g a class
of
people."
This is
the
height of
political
correctn
ess.
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Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism
because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early
stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
On January 21, 2020 at 2:23 PM "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for
the purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex
offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James

Exactly.
treatment.

wrote:
cure. Puberty and a childâ€™s biological sex are not a disease. They are
part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a
developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

wrote:
to join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person

Fred and all,
sheâ€™d be willing to sign from the left. Maryâ€™s email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response.
We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely
missing the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with
children, and all children (given the social contagion). While
there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child
to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating oneâ€™s healthy body,
where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child
abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525


-Mike


wrote:
Agreed.
and principle.
Sent from my iPhone

wrote:

misinformed judges.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 5:22 PM

Mike,
Look at the medical
ACLU quote; it is
false on multiple
grounds
"no such thing as a
group of trans
anybody; we are
blockers, wrong sex
hormones and
surgical mutilation
are never medically
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan
15, 2020,
at 5:00
PM,
David
Pickup <
davidpick
uplmft@g
mail.com
> wrote:
Translati
on..."It's
ok to
harm
boys by
removing
body
parts
because
at least
we're
preservin
g a class
of
people."
This is
the
height of
political
correctn
ess.

(888) 288-2071
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Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe
autism because it was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans
kids in the early stages of puberty. Can't make up this stuff!
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James

Exactly.
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contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is
no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no disease
to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

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Hi James, I used this same article as a reference in a paper I recently submitted...hopefully, it’s worthy of
publishing.
Monique
Similarly, Kaiser has no problem dissing Lupron for precocious puberty but endorses it for gender dysphoria.
Women Fear Drug They Used To Halt Puberty Led To Health Problems
Women Fear Drug They Used To Halt

Puberty Led To Health Problems
Despite questions about Lupron’s lasting side effects and minimal
study into its safety, the FDA sped approval of the drug to market.
Years later, some young women are still living with the consequ…
James

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 4:32 PM QUENTIN VAN METER <kidendo@comcast.net> wrote:
Dr.Leena Nahata, a trans-affirmation advocate endocrinologist in Ohio, decried the use of puberty blockers in hyper-libidinous teenage boys with severe autism because it
was unethical to treat someone who could not consent to it legally while, at the same time, she is pushing for puberty blockers in trans kids in the early stages of puberty.
Can't make up this stuff!
Quentin
In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the
purpose of gender confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex offenders. The
treatments are one and the same.
James

Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather
than a goal, of a treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with
cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors could prevent that outcome, surely they would.
For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of treatment.
cure. Puberty and a child’s biological sex are not a disease. They are part of
normal human development and human functioning to be protected in a developing
minor.
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wrote:
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to
join a statement saying that there's no definable class of person who needs
to be sterilized as children.

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL
Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and I (Harvard Law, Guardian
ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky
(former ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing
to sign from the left. Mary’s email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point
the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing
to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather
everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children,
and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a
constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe),
there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically
mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no disease to be
Vernadette

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-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of
minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give
informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist.
The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in
Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their
guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating
for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without
merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the
opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from
dangerous medical experiments as do other children.
Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam
regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line
here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and principle.
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No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to

a life-altering medical experiment with unknown
long-term consequences. Without this ban in place,
SD will follow what is already happening in other
states: minors who successfully sue in court to
obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical
intervention. And when they grow up with

battles. We have several parents who have reached
out to the KC because of a former spouse who is
intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney
to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist.
And even when they do, who knows how a judge will
rule? Banning these procedures will take these
serious medical decisions away from misinformed
judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary
intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is
driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an
oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be

The ACLU have done as much as anyone
could to make sure it's impossible to
define a class of persons under these
laws.
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Look at the medical claim in
that "legal" ACLU quote; it is
false on multiple grounds
"no such thing as a

medically diagnosable group
of trans anybody; we are
blockers, wrong sex
hormones and surgical
mutilation are never
medically necessary in
minors!"
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In case it's not on the radar, the same folks arguing for chemical castration in children for the purpose of gender
confirmation are usually against the same thing being used on sex offenders. The treatments are one and the same.
James

Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a
treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors
could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of
treatment.

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s
biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be
Vernadette

770.448.4525
Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that
there's no definable class of person who needs to be sterilized as children.

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law),
and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former
ACLU lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re:
involuntary sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the
ACLU is entirely missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class
of children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children
(given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to
term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy
body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

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Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally or psychologically consent. Their parents
cannot give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for
sterilization of serial criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court
order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. "
Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same
protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on
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This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC because of a former spouse who is intent
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This kid is another talking point. One of the arguments for blockers is they prevent unwanted changes to the body and stop the need for surgeries to remove the changes occurring if
puberty isn't blocked. That's a circular argument because puberty is the cure for gender dysphoria in most kids.
This kid is just the opposite. They transitioned him to be being a girl and then he woke up and realized he wasn't one. Now he's gotten surgery to remove the breasts they grew on him with
hormones.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-old-boy-trans-female-change-mind-years-later-patrick-mitchell-australia-oestrogen-hormones-a7933741.html
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Right! Convoluted argument. I'll have to look back at the bill, but I don't think it "singles out one group of people" either. Just harmful meds and procedures.
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Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!"
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have to counter. - Fred
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Understood, I think you know I was being sarcastic. I sent that because I wasn't sure if you knew Bruce had committed suicide?
Which all goes back to my earlier links. These activists and trans organizations blame society or lack of family acceptance, or they didn't get this or they didn't get that, but it's the mental
illness behind it all that driving the suicides.
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 07:47:28 PM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. I don’t think I’m going to go there. - Fred

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Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
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<rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>;
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If the ACLU is asked a question, it should be why their South Dakota plaintiff in a surgery case killed herself?
https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/lawyers-ask-to-dismiss-lawsuit-challenging-state-s-transgender-policy/article_7d4d4228-9099-57b2-8158-32757dffd934.html
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Cc: mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James
Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine
Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD"
Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that â€œlegalâ€ ACLU quote; it is false on multiple grounds
â€œno such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong
sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!â€
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<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
"Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea
MD" <TMillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>,
Right! Convoluted argument. I'll have to look back at the bill, but I don't think it "singles out one group of
people" either. Just harmful meds and procedures.
-Mike
Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex
hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!"
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Translation..."It's ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we're preserving a class of people."
This is the height of political correctness.
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<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins"
The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to make sure it's impossible to define a class of persons under these
laws.

Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that “legal” ACLU quote; it is false on multiple grounds
“no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong sex
hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!”
Sent from my iPhone
Translation…”It’s ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we’re preserving a class of
people.” This is the height of political correctness.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I donâ€™t think Iâ€™m going to go there. - Fred

To: drmcretella@gmail.com; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith
<alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Jane
Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD
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<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Gary
No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term
consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow what is already happening in other states: minors who
successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the KC
because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as
difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures
will take these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is driving
both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be confronted
directly.

laws.

Mike,
“no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong
sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!”
Sent from my iPhone

Translation…”It’s ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we’re preserving a class of
people.” This is the height of political correctness.
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Letâ€™s Memorize Katherineâ€™s response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
bottom line here. We must be bull dogs on this fact and principle.
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No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-
term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow what is already happening in other states:
minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when
they grow up with irreversible regret, who will be liable? The state.
because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly
as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these
The claim that this is lifesaving medically necessary intervention is the big unchallenged domino that is
driving both the legal and medical scandal. This is an oft-repeated claim with no support and it must be

The ACLU have done as much as anyone could to make sure it's impossible to define a class of persons under
these laws.

Mike,
Look at the medical claim in that â€œlegalâ€ ACLU quote; it is false on multiple grounds
â€œno such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers,
wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!â€
Sent from my iPhone
ï»¿Translationâ€¦â€Itâ€™s ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least weâ€™re preserving
a class of people.â€ This is the height of political correctness.
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necessary".

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Agreed.

Let’s Memorize Katherine’s response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
Sent from my iPhone
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the
KC because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning

these laws.

Mike,
“no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers,
wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!”
Sent from my iPhone
Translation…”It’s ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we’re preserving a class
of people.” This is the height of political correctness.
DI
(888) 288-2071
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necessary".

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<davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Fred
Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally
or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed
consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in
Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a
court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal
protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In
fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous

Agreed.

Let’s Memorize Katherine’s response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
Sent from my iPhone
This ban is also important to prevent custody battles. We have several parents who have reached out to the
KC because of a former spouse who is intent on medicalizing their child. Finding an attorney to help is
nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning

these laws.

Mike,
“no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers,
wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!”
Sent from my iPhone
Translation…”It’s ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we’re preserving a class
of people.” This is the height of political correctness.
DI
(888) 288-2071
Addison, TX 75001

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Yes, agree.
On the suicide argument:
South Dakota Kids who are suicidal need immediate and proper mental healthcare. Hormones and surgeries are not
mental healthcare at all, but in fact make the situation far worse.
We know that in the Uk’s Tavistock gender identity service kids on puberty blockers reported greater self harm and
girls exhibited more behavioral and emotional problems. [1]
High dose sex steroids like testosterone have been shown to lead to an increase in the presentation and severity of
psychiatric illness, including psychotic symptoms. [2]
And in Sweden, 30 years of population data of the entire nation showed that even after hormones and genital
surgeries the suicide rate was a massive 19 times higher than the general Swedish population. [3]
Read the labeling of the puberty blocker Lupron, there is a very clear warning:
"Psychiatric events have been reported in patients taking GnRH agonists including LUPRON DEPOT-PED. Monitor for
development or worsening of psychiatric symptoms during treatment". [4]
These drugs and procedures are extremely hazardous for South Dakota kids. They will only add fuel to a very
dangerous fire.
1. Michael Biggs. "Tavistock’s Experimentation with Puberty Blockers: Scrutinizing the Evidence". Transgender Trend.
March 2, 2019.
2. Hall Ryan CW, Hall Richard CW, Chapman MJ. "Psychiatric Complications of Anabolic Steroid Abuse". Psychosomatics
46:4, July-August 2005.
3. Dhejne C, Lichtenstein P, Boman M, Johansson AL, Niklas Långström, Landén M. Long-term follow-up of transsexual
persons undergoing sex reassignment surgery: cohort study in Sweden. PLoS One. 2011;6(2):e16885.
4. LUPRON DEPOT-PED labeling. Accessed 01/16/2020.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2017/020263s042lbl.pdf
-Mike

Agreed.

Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
Sent from my iPhone
successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up
difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these

laws.

Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers, wrong
sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!"
Sent from my iPhone
Translation..."It's ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we're preserving a class of
people." This is the height of political correctness.
DI
(888) 288-2071
Addison, TX 75001

-Mike
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"Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder"
"James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Lappert

-Mike

Yes, and also point out that these procedures amount to involuntary sterilization of minors. They cannot legally
or psychologically consent. Their parents cannot give informed consent since the knowledge necessary for informed
consent does not exist. The Supreme Court struck down laws providing for sterilization of serial criminals in
Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a
court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their
equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other
children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from
dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.

Let's Memorize Katherine's response and repeat it ad nauseam regardless the question or accusation. That is the
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successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up
difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these

these laws.

Mike,
"no such thing as a medically diagnosable group of trans anybody; we are talking about minors! blockers,
wrong sex hormones and surgical mutilation are never medically necessary in minors!"
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Translation..."It's ok to harm boys by removing body parts because at least we're preserving a class of
people." This is the height of political correctness.
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Updated and expanded article from our state's largest paper. Many of the lines of thought the oppositions will use is outlined in the article. Let me know any recommendations
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<mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson,
MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
"Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
Fred and all,
Womens Liberation Front if sheâ€™d be willing to sign from the left. Maryâ€™s email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of
this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with
protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a
constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically
and surgically mutiliating oneâ€™s healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

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Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar groups advocating for involuntary
sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true.
This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
principle.
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their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will take
these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.

Mike,
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<mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson,
MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>,
Fred and all,
Womens Liberation Front if sheâ€™d be willing to sign from the left. Maryâ€™s email re: involuntary sterilization
would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of
this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do with
protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be a
constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically
and surgically mutiliating oneâ€™s healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is true.
This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
principle.
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their child. Finding an attorney to help is nearly as difficult as finding a therapist. And even when they do, who knows how a judge will rule? Banning these procedures will take
these serious medical decisions away from misinformed judges.

Mike,
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Kara will be joining us to testify, and I bet that she would be willing to join a statement saying that there's no
definable class of person who needs to be sterilized as children.

Fred and all,
Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re: involuntary sterilization would
be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely missing the point of this
bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but rather everything to do
with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social contagion). While there may be
a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe), there is no constitutional right to
chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there is no disease to be treated — that is child
abuse.
Vernadette
770.448.4525

-Mike

sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently from other children. In fact the opposite is
true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other children.

Agreed.
principle.
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No doctor or parent has a right to subject a child to a life-altering medical experiment with unknown long-term consequences. Without this ban in place, SD will follow what
is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when they grow up with

Mike,
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Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a childâ€™s
biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected
in a developing minor.
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Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law), and
I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU
lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if sheâ€™d be willing to sign from the left. Maryâ€™s email re:
is entirely missing the point of this bill â€” it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of
children, but rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children
(given the social contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term
(under Roe), there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating oneâ€™s healthy body,
where there is no disease to be treated â€” that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike

criminals in Skinner v. Oklahoma and mentally incompetent adults cannot be sterilized even if their guardians consent without a court order. Are the ACLU and similar
groups advocating for involuntary sterilization of children? Also their equal protection arguments are without merit. " Transchildren" are not being treated differently
from other children. In fact the opposite is true. This bill will ensure that "transchildren" have the same protections from dangerous medical experiments as do other
children.
Agreed.

fact and principle.
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Exactly.
And even in the case of something like cancer, any sterilization is a side effect, rather than a goal, of a
treatment for other purposes. There's no directive that children with cancer must be sterilized, and if doctors
could prevent that outcome, surely they would. For no other type of child is that considered a humane end goal of
treatment.

Barring an actual physical disease state for which such interventions offer a cure. Puberty and a child’s
biological sex are not a disease. They are part of normal human development and human functioning to be protected
in a developing minor.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

Fred and all,
CPR-C can prepare a rebuttal this week to the ACLU that Mary (UCAL Berkely), Jane Robbins (Harvard Law),
and I (Harvard Law, Guardian ad Litem for children) can sign and send. I can ask Kara Dansky (former ACLU
lawyer) of Womens Liberation Front if she’d be willing to sign from the left. Mary’s email re: involuntary
sterilization would be key part of the response. We also need to stress the point the the ACLU is entirely
missing the point of this bill — it nothing to do with discriminating against any class of children, but
rather everything to do with protecting a vulnerable group of children, and all children (given the social
contagion). While there may be a constitutional right to refuse to carry a child to term (under Roe),
there is no constitutional right to chemically and surgically mutiliating one’s healthy body, where there
is no disease to be treated — that is child abuse.
Vernadette

770.448.4525

-Mike
Agreed.
fact and principle.
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follow what is already happening in other states: minors who successfully sue in court to obtain this supposedly "life-saving" medical intervention. And when


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Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson,
MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred"
<fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>,
"Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Opposition Strategy Suggestions
Unfortunately, this got cut from my Public Discourse article on Puberty Blockers, but it's another way to think of
the problems they introduce to normal development.
Downstream Events and Unforeseen Consequences
Here is another analogy, this time regarding unforeseen consequences. Imagine a scenario whereby a neighbor asks you
to dig a hole in her lawn.
¨Sure thing!¨ you reply.
¨Great,” she says,¨but will it be reversible?¨
¨Certainly,” you reply, Ï’ll just fill the hole back in and it will be fine.¨
She smiles and accepts your offer. You grab your shovel and proceed to dig a nice round 3-foot deep hole.
¨What do you think?” you inquire.
¨No, not right,¨ she says. ¨Reverse it for me¨
¨No problem,” you say and proceed to fill the hole back in and pack it neatly.
You return home and then are aroused by some loud knocking on the door 20 minutes later. You open the door to find
your irate neighbor.
¨What have you done?” she asks. Ÿou said that you would reverse it!¨
Ï did,” you respond, ”I filled the hole back in right away.¨
¨Well sure...But guess what? You cut my power line! And I was in the middle of an important computer file download
which is now lost. And you broke my water main! And so my radiator has run dry and is now destroyed!!¨
Clearly, although the digging of the hole was reversible, other secondary or ¨downstream” processes were interrupted
leading to unforeseen consequences and damage. This is analogous to the harms that occur when stopping normal
puberty. [Meaning bone develoment, brain devlopment, sexual development, etc].
-Mike
This video, which isn't exactly a detransition video, is a 24yo FTM talking about the trauma of going through
phalloplasty, and experiencing menopausal symptoms as a very young person, in an interview with two younger FTM
YouTube personalities. The three talk briefly about their concern over influence on their audiences.
https://youtu.be/-bEdZVAHA00
I don't know how any full grown person can watch a video like this and not think these young people needed a pause.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
In an earlier email, I talked about how treatment being unavailable because of law would serve as a deterrent, using the example of how kids aren't pestering their parents to drink
because they know the law says they can't until age 21. This excerpt reinforces this.
Page 58: "It is not rare for preoperative transsexuals to abandon their quest for reassignment; it is not well-established that such cases are more likely to involve secondary
transsexuals, but this is what we would predict. Shore (1984) reports the case of a young man who was positive he wanted sexual reassignment, was favorably evaluated for surgery,
and was on his way to the hospital when he learned the hospital had changed their policy and now prohibited sex reassignment surgery. This man, soon thereafter, changed his entire
life-style and reportedly gave up his sex-reassignment plans."
ctn6fcn5IY7SZjBuYb7CoCqA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjns9C9-
J7nAhUhuVkKHU_LAEE4FBDoATAAegQIChAB#v=onepage&q=The%20Transvestic%20Career%20Path&f=false
So, for one we are shifting the fight from inside the home with the parents to the state, and two, we are putting up a roadblock to the impulsiveness that's inherently characteristic with a
lot of the co-morbid mental health issues these children have.
James
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To: mike@drlaidlaw.com, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson,
MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jon Hansen" <jon.hansen@sdlegislature.gov>, "Kara Dansky" <kara11@me.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
You are a wizard with words. I hope you don't mind if I use this parable when I am presenting my thoughts.
Quentin
Unfortunately, this got cut from my Public Discourse article on Puberty Blockers, but it's another way to
think of the problems they introduce to normal development.
Here is another analogy, this time regarding unforeseen consequences. Imagine a scenario whereby a neighbor
asks you to dig a hole in her lawn.
Â¨Sure thing!Â¨ you reply.
Â¨Great,â€ she says,Â¨but will it be reversible?Â¨
Â¨Certainly,â€ you reply, ÂÏâ€™ll just fill the hole back in and it will be fine.Â¨
Â¨What do you think?â€ you inquire.
Â¨No, not right,Â¨ she says. Â¨Reverse it for meÂ¨
Â¨No problem,â€ you say and proceed to fill the hole back in and pack it neatly.
You return home and then are aroused by some loud knocking on the door 20 minutes later. You open the door to
find your irate neighbor.
Â¨What have you done?â€ she asks. ÂŸou said that you would reverse it!Â¨
ÂÏ did,â€ you respond, â€I filled the hole back in right away.Â¨
Â¨Well sure...But guess what? You cut my power line! And I was in the middle of an important computer file
download which is now lost. And you broke my water main! And so my radiator has run dry and is now
destroyed!!Â¨
Clearly, although the digging of the hole was reversible, other secondary or Â¨downstreamâ€ processes were
interrupted leading to unforeseen consequences and damage. This is analogous to the harms that occur when
stopping normal puberty. [Meaning bone develoment, brain devlopment, sexual development, etc].
-Mike
This video, which isn't exactly a detransition video, is a 24yo FTM talking about the trauma of going
through phalloplasty, and experiencing menopausal symptoms as a very young person, in an interview
with two younger FTM YouTube personalities. The three talk briefly about their concern over influence
on their audiences.
I don't know how any full grown person can watch a video like this and not think these young people
needed a pause.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
In an earlier email, I talked about how treatment being unavailable because of law would serve as a deterrent, using the example of how kids aren't
pestering their parents to drink because they know the law says they can't until age 21. This excerpt reinforces this.
Page 58: "It is not rare for preoperative transsexuals to abandon their quest for reassignment; it is not well-established that such cases are more likely to
involve secondary transsexuals, but this is what we would predict. Shore (1984) reports the case of a young man who was positive he wanted sexual
reassignment, was favorably evaluated for surgery, and was on his way to the hospital when he learned the hospital had changed their policy and now
prohibited sex reassignment surgery. This man, soon thereafter, changed his entire life-style and reportedly gave up his sex-reassignment plans."
Speaking from experience, this is very impulsive stuff in many cases, and the lowering of barriers in today's environment is creating a far more
dangerous landscape. Remember, I got hormones during my first visit to a mental health provider.
https://books.google.com/books?
id=L2pyBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA56&lpg=PA56&dq=The+Transvestic+Career+Path&source=bl&ots=hTpq8OhU9N&sig=ACfU3U3lP-
So, for one we are shifting the fight from inside the home with the parents to the state, and two, we are putting up a roadblock to the impulsiveness that's
inherently characteristic with a lot of the co-morbid mental health issues these children have.
James
Sent: 1/25/2020 11:39:47 AM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly
Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD"
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Cretella
Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
"Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "McCaleb Gary" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "McHugh Paul"
<pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
Absolutely! Please do!

You are a wizard with words. I hope you don't mind if I use this parable when I am presenting my thoughts.
Quentin
Unfortunately, this got cut from my Public Discourse article on Puberty Blockers, but it's another way to think
of the problems they introduce to normal development.
Here is another analogy, this time regarding unforeseen consequences. Imagine a scenario whereby a neighbor asks
you to dig a hole in her lawn.
¨Sure thing!¨ you reply.
¨Great," she says,¨but will it be reversible?¨
¨Certainly," you reply, Ï'll just fill the hole back in and it will be fine.¨
¨What do you think?" you inquire.
¨No, not right,¨ she says. ¨Reverse it for me¨
¨No problem," you say and proceed to fill the hole back in and pack it neatly.
You return home and then are aroused by some loud knocking on the door 20 minutes later. You open the door to
find your irate neighbor.
¨What have you done?" she asks. Ÿou said that you would reverse it!¨
Ï did," you respond, "I filled the hole back in right away.¨
¨Well sure...But guess what? You cut my power line! And I was in the middle of an important computer file
download which is now lost. And you broke my water main! And so my radiator has run dry and is now destroyed!!¨
Clearly, although the digging of the hole was reversible, other secondary or ¨downstream" processes were
interrupted leading to unforeseen consequences and damage. This is analogous to the harms that occur when
stopping normal puberty. [Meaning bone develoment, brain devlopment, sexual development, etc].
-Mike
This video, which isn't exactly a detransition video, is a 24yo FTM talking about the trauma of going through
I don't know how any full grown person can watch a video like this and not think these young people needed a
pause.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) < jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
Page 58: "It is not rare for preoperative transsexuals to abandon their quest for reassignment; it is not well-established that such cases are more likely to involve secondary
transsexuals, but this is what we would predict. Shore (1984) reports the case of a young man who was positive he wanted sexual reassignment, was favorably evaluated for
surgery, and was on his way to the hospital when he learned the hospital had changed their policy and now prohibited sex reassignment surgery. This man, soon thereafter,
changed his entire life-style and reportedly gave up his sex-reassignment plans."
Speaking from experience, this is very impulsive stuff in many cases, and the lowering of barriers in today's environment is creating a far more dangerous landscape. Remember,
I got hormones during my first visit to a mental health provider.
So, for one we are shifting the fight from inside the home with the parents to the state, and two, we are putting up a roadblock to the impulsiveness that's inherently characteristic
with a lot of the co-morbid mental health issues these children have.
11 James
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Sent: 1/25/2020 7:07:14 AM
"David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Eunie Smith"
<alaeagle@charter.net>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Lappert Patrick"
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Robbins Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>
This video, which isn’t exactly a detransition video, is a 24yo FTM talking about the trauma of going through
I don’t know how any full grown person can watch a video like this and not think these young people needed a pause.
On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
All,
Page 58: "It is not rare for preoperative transsexuals to abandon their quest for reassignment; it is not well-established that such cases are more likely to involve secondary transsexuals,
but this is what we would predict. Shore (1984) reports the case of a young man who was positive he wanted sexual reassignment, was favorably evaluated for surgery, and was on his
way to the hospital when he learned the hospital had changed their policy and now prohibited sex reassignment surgery. This man, soon thereafter, changed his entire life-style and
reportedly gave up his sex-reassignment plans."
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So, for one we are shifting the fight from inside the home with the parents to the state, and two, we are putting up a roadblock to the impulsiveness that's inherently characteristic with a lot
of the co-morbid mental health issues these children have.
James
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 2/4/2020 12:12:39 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jennifer Chavez" <jcchavez5341@yahoo.com>, "Kara Dansky"
<kara11@me.com>
Cc:
Subject: Re: Quest About The Hollister Non-Binary Case
It's very unlikely we can even have an answer this week, but Jennifer and Kara would need to be in on any such
conversations.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 3:11 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Natasha,
Any chance that WoLF would be willing to file an amicus for me in the Oregon non-binary case that's using my court order to advance it?
This is the case.
https://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2019/11/07/1573152280-2019.11.06_-_amended_opening_brief_with_excerpt.pdf
I, of course, have the new court order declaring me male and denouncing the former order, etc.
Alternatively, can you give me any advice on how to serve their lawyer with my new order? Can I do that?
James
From: Alexa Tsoulis-Reay
Sent: 4/18/2018 4:40:44 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Question Opus
Hi Jamie, oh wow thank you so much for getting back to me so fast! I'm reading them now and will likely have a few
more soon
Thank you again, so much!
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 7:29 AM, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Answers below. Please send back a note that you received these answers back.
Thanks!
Jamie
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 10:57 PM, Alexa Tsoulis-Reay <findingnorms@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey there!
Thank you again for this -- I have been working hard on my chapter about you/"the binary" + as you'll see this is a pretty mixed bag :-) ...As usual please feel free to tell me as
much as you like (no such thing as too much) if any of these questions seem odd/need context please do ask (i have tried to include it where necessary..as you'll see most
relate to places where I want to flesh out scenes/or summarize key moments accurately...)
Q. As I was writing I realized that I have never asked you how you felt when you were in the Times transgender lives story (when you were living as a woman)?
A. Yes, when newly living as a trans woman. It felt great to be in the prestigious NYT - America's paper of record - and have that essay published. But in hindsight it was just
more of getting sucked in for the transgender cause. Looking back, I can clearly see a pattern of behavior where a lot of newly transitioned people feel like they need to do
things to help advance transgenderism. Same applies to coming out as gay and activism. You can find hordes of the trans people volunteering in places like Reddit's
/r/asktransgender, where they volunteer their time to answer questions about trans health and transitioning. I started my website originally for that reason, like I talked about in
the "You can't feel like a girl" essay. I actually regret writing that NYT first essay now. It was too early in my understanding of myself and the cause to be jumping in like I did.
Q. I was also curious if that was your first mainstream media appearance/appearance in a newspaper/magazine article?
A. Yes. Largely a nobody up until that point.
Q. I'd really like to capture why it was important to you to speak publicly, and if it was a hard thing for you to do that very first time (if that was the first time...?) Did you have any
doubts about it, do you remember how you got in contact with the reporter who did the story? I'd love to hear as much as you can remember or feel like sharing...
A. Answered some of this above. No doubts at the time of submitting it. While doing some website updates I saw the Times soliciting trans people and I thought: why not? It
seemed like the perfect place and time to come out publicly to everyone, including my family. I really no longer cared if my family or society accepted or rejected me, I was now
living my truth. Plus, I knew my excellent service record would help the trans military cause.
It’s important to understand my indoctrinated mindset back then was all I had to do was switch over my body’s hormone fuel from testosterone to estrogen, then get some
surgeries to correct nature’s mistakes. I was the victim of a birth defect that society doesn't understand. Once done transitioning, I’d be the woman I always was since birth;
that’s what I’d been taught by transgender ideology to believe at that phase of my life and transition.
But yet I was also troubled by common sense questions being asked in all of this by women described as TERFs. Like, if I was a female all along since birth, then why would I
need to transition? I was also becoming more and more aware of how I and other trans women were using sex stereotypes to transition and claim we were women.
At certain times essays can effortlessly flow out of me, like that one did. It was like I knew what to say and had been just waiting for an opportunity to say it. I spent less than an
hour writing it. All of my published essays are like that; they just come to me and I suddenly pound them out in one session. The only exception was the 10,000 plus word "You
can't feel like a girl" essay, which took a couple days to write.
In another twisted way that first NYT essay was catapulting myself far above the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, while I was living in Pittsburgh, because I had reached out several
times to their reporters covering trans issues, offering to participate in a trans military story, and they totally blew me off. These same reporters also blew me off when I had a
major incident trying to use a female bathroom and they wouldn’t cover that story either. I got the vibe that I wasn’t a local pretty transsexual and that I’d failed to surgically
transition and confirm my gender. So it felt great to be able to say “fuck you, I don’t need to be in your rag, because I’m in The New York Times!” I went straight to the top, right
over their heads.
Q. Just a small narrative detail, where had you been on tour when you first met Sandy at the army base in Kentucky?
A. My first four year tour was Pirmasens, Germany for 2 years. Then 18 months at Fort Knox where I met her. We fell for each other really fast soon after I arrived there.
Q. Because your use of the internet is obviously so important to your story I would really love to be able to pinpoint/flesh out when you first used the Internet for chat + started
using webcams etc, am I right that this was back in Germany around the time that you had started trying out feminine dress?...I'd love to know what city you were in, and any
and all :-) details you can recall about how you came across #TVSEX...
I first started using bulletin boards and chat rooms at Fort Hood, Tx. on a Commodore 64 with a 300 baud modem in the late 80s. That quickly progressed to Windows
machines that I figured out how to assemble myself, but during that time it seemed like they were obsolete every 6 months. I blew massive amounts of money on those
systems. All of this early involvement with computers was either to help with work and for viewing or reading straight sex pornography.
By the time we got to Germany in 1995 I’d graduated to far more powerful Intel Pentium systems running Windows 95 that could power webcams. Both me and Sandy liked the
webcams and we would often have sex in front of groups of men or pair up online with another couple, taking turns performing and watching. This occurred using what was
called IRC (Internet Relay Chat). The software was MIRC and Cuseeme. Because we were in Germany, our online bill for the metered bandwidth sometimes went as high as
$600 per month.
As I began to stumble across the trans rooms in IRC like #TVSEX, I was very drawn to them, but terrified at the same time. By then I was a staff sergeant and had been
exposed to the regulations on transvestism, so I knew this was career ending stuff. But the more I allowed myself to experiment the more right it felt. I also began to develop
severe gender dysphoria because for the first time I began to realize that I identified in a submissive female role with men, especially during sex.
It was both a liberating and terrible time. As the dysphoria worseneded I became terribly distressed about not having breasts and about my body hair, which I began to shave
off. But the fear of shaving it off then distressed me because I was terrified someone at work would notice it during fitness training or in the showers during a field exercise.
This was happening during the height of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell ejections from the military. More people got discharged after the inititian of DADT policy than they did before it
was implemented.
Eventually I and Sandy started shopping in the German towns around base in second hand or department stores for female clothing for me. Skirts, heels, tops, bras, panties,
wigs etc. The clothing was more regular wear type stuff rather than over the top hyper feminine bedroom gear. I was elated to find a pair of breast forms one day in a sex shop
in Mannheim.
After getting all the clothing to actually dress like a woman, I started dressing up on Saturday mornings on the webcam, showing off and teasing men. And sometimes I would
toss it all in a little carry bag and drive to a distant town miles away and wear the items in a small adult theater I'd discovered on the second floor of a sex shop. The men loved
it, but I didn’t do much more than let them admire, touch, or fondle me because I was terrified of catching HIV or other STDs.
On one occasion, a gay man that I would let touch and fondle me surprised me on a later visit with a pair of sexy underwear. But they weren't women's panties. I could clearly
tell that although he meant well with the gift, he didn't understand me.
As the dressing up activities progressed Sandy became less and less supportive, sometimes even scolding me. It reached the point where I didn’t tell her what I was doing
and she no longer asked. But all of it really ramped up my fears and anxiety of getting kicked out of the military. I used to suddenly panic when going onto base that I hadn’t
gotten all of the makeup off, or that I’d get stopped by the police and they’d find the clothing and wig in the car trunk. I never took the stuff onto base because the gate guards
could search you or your car at any time. I was living in the U.S. Government housing area nearby, but outside the base itself.
By the time I reached my last duty station of Fort Drum, NY, I’d stopped dressing up on the webcam. My daughter was now older and unpredictable and nosy. I’d also gotten
another major promotion. I was now a senior NCO with lots of responsibilities. But I did eventually meet a local guy in Watertown online. He ran an area motel and once or
month or so I’d go to his apartment there and dress up for him. But just like the theater situation in Germany the sex was very low key and heavily on the safe side. I always
used condoms and never did let a guy penetrate me until the boyfriend in Portland, long after I’d retired.
Back then I had no idea about Blanchard and Bailey’s theories and opinions on my behavior like I do now, and I still don’t care what they or other researchers think. Despite
how LGBT literature teaches that your sexual orientation is who you go to bed with and your gender identity is who you wake up as, I have great difficulty separating the two. I
don’t fantasize about myself as a female with men, I instead feel like I am one in nature’s traditional role. I’m the submissive, receptacle partner that gets mated. The dominant
male mating role feels unnatural for me. It's not me getting on the fantasy of myself as a woman during sex like guys like these claim. It's much deeper and more biological than
that.
Q. Building on the question above, I'd love to hear more about those online explorations...did you chat with men online in feminine mode/present as a woman? Did you show
yourself on webcams in feminine dress -- anything you can tell me that would help capture how this experimentation fit into your life (as well as how you felt when you were
doing it) would be so helpful...
A. I think you got this above? If not ask more pointed stuff from that.
Q. In the mind 90s, when things were starting to really come unglued for you, is it correct that you went to army base shrinks who put you on antidepressants?
A. Yes. In Germany they put me on an antidepressant. I was so terrified of getting kicked out the stress was killing me. And if I tried ignoring the feelings I was having then the
dysphoria was equally killing me. Even worse was the major MST (military sexual trauma) incident I had in 1996 during my advanced NCO course where the instructor and
some of my classmates were harassing me for being gay. I had no doubt they were trying to end my career. They just pegged me as gay and started in on me.
I talked about that in this NPR podcast.
http://www.wbur.org/npr/556116385/nature-nurture-and-our-evolving-debates-about-gender
Q. And was this Prozac and Fluoxetine ( at different times.) was wondering if there's a scene that really captures how anxious/unsettled you were becoming, also, I was
curious this was when you started to have the terrible nightmares, right?
A. Fluoxetine is the generic name for Prozac. But, yes, that's what I was put on. This was when I started having nightmares about getting attacked and acting out the dreams. I
was anxious, depressed, having panic attacks. I was terribly overworked too.
Q. Did the army shrink also diagnose you with REM sleep disorder (anything you can tell me about how they handled your symptoms would be so very helpful...)
A. I have no clue what they diagnosed me with, they never told me. They just questioned me and gave me the drugs. I of course couldn’t talk about anything other than my
symptoms because the doctors report everything to your commander. Which would have gotten me kicked out. It was illegal to be gay or transgender. Harassing or suspecting
people for it was not only accepted but well tolerated back then. I also told them about my sexual abuse, but they didn't seem very interested.
Q. Still in the same era here...I'd love to be able to flesh out what you told me about how scary it was worrying about people in the military finding out about your weekend
experiments with feminine dress, I recall you mentioned that you'd get vibes from some of your colleagues that felt as if they thought you were gay, I'd love to know a bit more
about this..Did people say anything? Was it more of an attitude? I'd also really love to make it clear how sex/gender had become intertwined in the minds of people then (as
now!) ...did you feel like if people found out that you had been experimenting with female dress they would automatically assume you were gay?
A. I think I got most of this above, but yes, gay was the only thing on everyone's radar for the most part. Few people back then understood or had exposure to
transsexualism/transgenderism. And yes, as described above, I was verbally harassed. The advanced course instructor also did some things that could be easily construed as
deliberate attempts to sabotage my career progression, such as lying on an evaluation about my drill and ceremony performance. He signed off on on a low rating that
occurred on a day that he wasn't even at work. He then used it to stop me from being the Distinguished Honor Graduate of the class at graduation, despite me having the
highest academic average in my class for the course.
The closest thing I ever saw to anyone getting in trouble for transgender related issues in all the years I served was at my first duty station in Germany. We had a guy get his
ears pierced in multiple locations and within a very short time he was quickly and quietly discharged. Gay stuff was frequent and severe. A few years later I witnessed an NCO
on my maintenance team get discharged within 48 hours after a fight with his roommate during which he was accused of being gay. The battalion sergeant major took great
pleasure in getting rid of him. Watching these things and others play out really ramped up my anxiety to the point that I ultimately developed PTSD from living in fear for all
those years.
Q. Likewise, when you were in the military and questioning your sexuality what did you find attractive about men then, and also what do you find attractive about them now?
A. See my response above about how it just felt natural to be with men in regards to sex, but at the same time I cringed and still do when it comes to the toxic masculinity a lot
of them display. I wasn’t into the military's killing culture and had no love for blowing up, shooting, or destroying things. While I was an excellent soldier, I didn’t fit into the
masculine male military culture. I’m the same now as I was then, nothing's changed about that.
Q. Again I ask this so I can really open people's eyes about the restrictive nature of the binary as it pertains to gender AND sexuality ...do you remember when you started to
identify as pansexual, or think about that as a sexual identity?
A. I didn’t start to identify as pansexual until I started getting exposed to the trans community in Pittsburgh in 2014. I’m attracted to pre-op trans women and cis men, but not
trans men. I guess that makes me transphobic, but human biology is a real thing.
Q. This is just a small narrative detail, but because it's such a key moment for you I feel like it's important to dwell on it a bit. Do you remember what sort of feminine clothes you
would shop for with Sandy in Germany? Do you remember where you would shop?
A. Got that above.
Q. Was the stigma such that you felt you had to have her there so people wouldn't assume you were buying them for yourself (again I think this is so important to show the
stranglehold of masculine standards..)
A. Near base I actually had her there to protect my career. But in places I felt safe, I was bold enough to shop alone. I still am. I often don’t fear what others think or let them stop
me from doing something unless personal safety comes into play. Like when I got a curly hair perm when I was a teenager.
Q. I'd also love to be as precise as possible about the fake breasts that you got -- did you buy them from an adult store or did you make them yourself/DIY? :-)
A. I bought them from an adult store after a bunch of frustrating attempts to make them out of things like small balloons filled with gel. The Internet recipes didn't work very well.
Luckily I found an inexpensive pair of cheap, soft plastic breast forms because Sandy wouldn’t have tolerated me spending hundreds of dollars on an expensive set.
Even though I don’t have a lot of breast growth now from the hormones, what I do have feels really right and natural. I would never get breast implants, nor would I date
someone who has them. I hate fake things.
Q. Did you have a special type of wig that you preferred to wear, or did you experiment with different styles?
A. I could never afford the really high end wigs which can approach $1,000. The majority of the ones I’ve owned were second hand synthetics. I lucked into finding a few that
were in the $300 range. I did experiment quite a bit and settled on short length, slightly curled on the ends, with blonde colors. Slang term of dirty blonde. I think dark blonde,
shoulder length looks most natural with my complexion and facial features. Reference the picture available on Google images of me in front of the Portland VA downtown.
Q. Again I ask as I want to really contextualize the gravity of this (back in the days before anonymous online shopping, etc etc..)
A. Understood.
Q. After your injury in 2000 (and did I get that date right?)
A. Injury was February, 1999. Retired as a result in August, 2000 after I refused surgery for it. At that point I was done. I was reaching the point where I didn't care what
happened to my career. Some of my superiors wanted to keep me despite the injury because of my high job performance, but I was just done with the whole hateful military
experience.
Q. it is correct to say that you medically retired from the army? For some reason I have lost my notes about where you were working when you left the army (warehouse
logistics manager, right?) I'd love to know a tiny bit more about what you were doing in that job (and where in the country you were, etc) just to help the narrative flow...
A. The Army gave me a full retirement under TERA (Temporary Early Retirement Authority) in lieu of disability from Fort Drum, NY for 18 years of service. I lost 7 1/2% of my
retirement pay for leaving two years early.
I was the MCS (Maintenance Control Supervisor) for the Main Support Battalion. I was a senior NCO, an E7/Sergeant First Class at the time. An E7 on an enlisted ratings
scale of E1 to E9. The maintenance facility was the size of a Super Walmart store and I was the head enlisted leader. There were like 11 repair shops and a tech supply
warehouse inside with several hundred people working there. It’s where the infantry and all the other units got their equipment repaired. It was super stressful with constant
worries about safety and environmental issues. More work than hours to do the work. I was the head supervisor responsible for hundreds of people and countless millions of
dollars of equipment, facilities, and supplies for which the Army was paying me a whopping $28,000 per year. I left hurt and mentally disabled from the PTSD with a $966 per
month pension to support my family on. I was the number two senior enlisted person in the unit with this job. Whenever my boss was gone I stepped into the number one role of
unit first sergeant, an E8 position. They gave me a Meritorious Service Medal when I retired, my second such award.
Q. Am I also right that this is where your anxiety really got out of control? Was this also around the same time (2000-2003) that you had that awful panic attack at the naval
base?
A. I had started having panic attacks in the mid 90s from the fear of discovery and discharge and job stress. Some of the panic attacks turned into pseudo seizures that led to
loss of consciousness. Everyone initially thought I’d developed epilepsy. The panic attack in 2006, during which I blacked out and got sent to the hospital in a ambulance from
a naval base, led to me going onto permanently disability. I still have problems with the panic attacks, anxiety, and depression to this day.
Q. I feel stupid, but it occurs to me that I have never really asked you in much detail about the awful traumatic shit that you endured/saw while you served in the army...I ask as I
think it will add depth to the narrative especially the terrible anxiety and panic attacks that you were having when you left...are there any incidents that stand out to you? or, feel
free to list all the awful shit if that's easier
Q. I served in Germany during the height of the Cold War with the Soviets as a 19-year-old, wondering and worrying about mutual nuclear self destruction. I nearly had my head
crushed by a tank hatch during a field training exercise at Fort Bliss, TX. I deployed within 24 hours to Kuwait for Operation Vigilant Warrior, fearing death. I deployed to
Hungary for the Bosnia campaign. Working on and around heavy equipment and armored vehicles in a military environment was a very dangerous occupation. I’ve got lung
and sinus damage from riding in numerous convoys with dust so thick that it was all you could do to see the vehicle a short distance in front of you. I was exposed to asbestos
and lots of toxic chemicals such as solvents in the maintenance shops. But none of it scared me more than the threat of discharge for being gay or transgender. Suicide was
my backup plan. I planned to kill myself before they could discharge me back in those days. I was worth more dead than alive with the military’s $200,000 (at the time)
insurance policy, I had a family I was responsible for supporting. I wasn’t leaving with “homosexual” stamped on my discharge.
Q. There were some details from your childhood/youth that I thought were very important to your story that I would love to be able to write about sensitively and precisely...I
never asked you much about your brother's suicide...Do you know exactly what happened (as much as you'd like to share, I am listening...) Am I right that this was when you
were in the army/had left home? Were you especially close to that brother?
A. My younger brother's suicide was painful. It occurred in 1993 while I was stationed at Fort Hood, Tx. I was a staff sergeant/E6 at the time, working at the depot rebuilding
transmissions for the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. Because he gave off all the classic warning signs such as selling off and giving away his possessions and the fact that I had
been extensively trained on suicide prevention by the military it made it all the more painful. My family didn't recognize these symptoms and behaviors but I would have. I hadn't
been around him in years at this point because it was 11 years into my military career, but I knew from family conversations that he was heavily involved in drugs and alcohol.
He had fathered a child and struggled to support the kid, a son. His relationship with the child's mother hadn't gone well. He bounced around in construction jobs with a tough
crowd. He shot himself in the head with a shotgun in his car in a farm field. One of my other brother's, the one three years younger than him that's currently in prison for heroin
dealing found him. I often wondered if he too was sexually abused by the uncle that molested me?
I never clicked with this brother. Things such as fixing cars came easy to me and he struggled with most things. After his suicide, I felt bad that I'd often resented him for that
reason while growing up. He also had a violent streak which kind of freaked me out. I once witnessed him savagely whack another kid in the head with a big stick one day
during a disagreement while we were teenagers. I was never comfortable around him after that.
Q Another detail from your childhood that I thought was important to your story was that haunting specter of the gay hairdresser who was killed when you were a kid-- do you
remember or have any more information about exactly what happened to him/how he died -- was he murdered? was his killing a hate crime, or did it just stand out to you
because you saw that someone who was different ended up suffering? I ask just because I feel like it really helps to add depth/texture to the environment that you grew up in ...
A. I looked up the news story, the hairdresser was actually killed in 2006 while I was still coming to terms with my sexuality and gender issues. The news article doesn't state
why. I think of the years between my retirement in 2000 and 2013 when I started to transition as the "lost years" because I stayed in a deep state of anxiety, depression, and
denial about who and what I am. I was totally closeted and still in denial.
http://somd.com/news/headlines/2007/6741.php
The background on this is when I was a teen I used to go get my hair cut often at his salon. It's where I got my perm as a teenager. He was working in the chair nearby as I got
it. My Mother and lots of other women and girls in the community also got their hair done there. And in hushed tones, but no so hushed from my Mother, a significant number of
these women all accused this hairdresser of being effeminate and gay. He certainly struck me that way as well also. And while I was growing up all things gay were terribly bad
and to be avoided. His murder has always left a major traumatic impression on me because while growing up he was the only person in my entire childhood, outside of the
uncle who molested me, that was gay. And then he ultimately got killed, which was the message to me from society my whole life: society does bad things to gay people and
people who break gender norms, because they deserve it.
Q Again, a detail that I thought was important and would like to flesh out a bit (excuse the pun!) that first time that you wore female under garments when you were living in
Killeen -- how did you feel when you wore them?
A. I can still remember a few occasions of doing that in Killeen, Tx while stationed at Fort Hood. I remember that I had bought Sandy a matching purple and black lingerie set
which consisted of a bra, panties, garters, and stockings, naively thinking that she would like it. She certainly had the body for it. And I very much remember how much she
disliked it. She's always disliked feminine clothing. Back in those days she would wear my men's Levis and t-shirts. Sandy would only ever wear the lingerie outfit if I bugged
her about it. But after awhile I started thinking about wearing it myself and I eventually did. I liked the experience, it felt good and natural, especially back then when my body
was young and really slender.
At first I was quite scared of getting caught wearing the lingerie items, so I would put them on in the bathroom in case Sandy or someone else came to the house. At the time
my younger brother was also stationed at Fort Hood and he had a door key. And I actually did get caught to a certain extent on one occasion. It was the first time I'd ever
experimented with a dildo. I remember being in the outfit while laying on the bathroom rug and experimenting with the dildo, which really hurt because I'd never had anal sex
before, and I heard someone come in the house, then leave. Which had to have been my brother. On another occasion I'd asked Sandy to wear the outfit for sex and she
instead surprisingly told me to wear instead. Which really shocked me. But we had sex like that. She wore nothing and I wore the lingerie.
Our modern day relationship has progressed where she now frequently wears a strap on and takes on the masculine, dominant role during sex. Her arousal levels indicate that
she seems to immensely enjoy the power dynamics of it.
Q. I'd also love to know, when you were reading the Vitale article back in 2013 (is that date correct?) did you most identify with any of the 3 types she details..?
A. Correct, early February, 2013. I was mostly in group three with some serious caveats, but to an extent a bit of group one also based on my childhood behavior. So a mix of
one and three (screaming and throwing tantrums about getting my hair cut short at young ages; getting slapped and called a sissy by my Mother for feminine behaviors; getting
the hair perm; preferring the company of girls; wearing gender bender stuff like a sleeveless leopard shirt as a teen; being internally tortured by the fact while I knew the sexual
abuse was horribly wrong I wasn't bothered that another male had sexually touched and fondled me and made me touch him.). But the biggest is I didn't identify as a female
growing up. I didn't know what I was. I just always "felt different" from my male peers. Very different And my sister wasn't born until I was going into the military, so I wasn't
around females at home other than my Mother. My Mother isn't feminine at all. Vitale's essay, along with trans people on Reddit, led me to believe these feelings and
experiences meant that I was really female, and had been all along. That this was my problem and answer to everything wrong with me and my mental health. And that there
were only males and females, which is a real injustice to people seeking this type of information on the Internet from a so-called professional.
Vitale's work fits the modern day narrative of western trans medicine and says nothing about the third gender origins of transgenderism, which I more closely align with. All of
my harsh familial, military, and societal experiences from birth through military retirement left me so largely terrified to explore because of the severe repercussions that I was
incredibly naive until 2013. When at the age of 49 it all exploded and couldn't be contained anymore. At that point I was rock bottom. I no longer cared what the costs where. It
was suicide or come out.
"Group Three (G3) is composed of natal males who identify as female but who act and appear normally male. We can hypothesize that prenatal androgenization was sufficient
to allow these individuals to appear and
act normally as males but insufficient to establish a firm male gender identity. For these female-identified males, the result is a more complicated and insidious sex/gender
discontinuity. Typically, from earliest childhood these individuals suffer increasingly painful and chronic gender dysphoria. They tend to live secretive lives, often making
increasingly stronger attempts to convince themselves and others that they are male."
"The story is very different for Group Three. In the hope of ridding themselves of their dysphoria they tend to invest heavily in typical male activities. Being largely heterosexual,
they marry and have children, hold advanced educational degrees and are involved at high levels of corporate and academic cultures. These are the invisible or cloistered
gender dysphorics. They develop an aura of deep secrecy based on shame and risk of ridicule and their secret desire to be female is protected at all costs. The risk of being
found out adds to the psychological and physiological pressures they experience. Transitioning from this deeply entrenched defensive position is very difficult. The irony here
is that gender dysphoric symptoms appear to worsen in direct proportion to their self-enforced entrenchment in the male world. The further an individual gets from believing he
can ever live as a female, the more acute and disruptive his dysphoria becomes."
I don't fit the narrative of going into the military to "man up" like lots of trans women describe. I went purely for economic reasons mainly, and just to get out of redneck southern
Maryland. I really wanted to see and experience the world. I didn't see a future in southern Maryland for me. I also wasn't "largely heterosexual", that I had no real control over. I
was mistreated by mother growing up and then forced to be straight under the threat of the military justice system. The AIDS epidemic didn't help any either. The rest of group
three description is fairly accurate.
OK.. I'll shut up now! Thanks for making it through this! I can't wait to hear back (and of course take your time,I know I just threw a lot at you..) as always tell me anything else you
feel is important...I am listening!
XO
A. Now far into this journey, my statement in the NY Times article about my court victory are significant and somewhat parallel to the oft cited study findings that given a chance
to explore something like 80% of kids desist from thinking they are female or male, opposite of their birth sex. As time went by that fits me. Given the chance to explore gender
and my sexual orientation, I eventually learned my way out of thinking I was a female. But I wasn't able to do the exploring until age 49, which is horribly tragic.
Now over the mental health meltdown from the hormones, I'm back to thinking that the non-binary space is the best place for me, and those like me. Because we'll never fit into
the established cultural and societal norms.
From the Times piece: “I was denied the right as a child and while in the military to ever explore my gender identity because of the hostility of society for violating gender norms
or for expressing any form of gender variance,” Jamie said in an email. “So I was literally doing in my 40s and early 50s what children are doing nowadays.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/oregon-nonbinary-transgender-sex-gender.html
Attachment:
From: Matt Sharp
Sent: 1/21/2020 12:55:46 PM
Cc:
Subject: RE: Question: Fred's Official Email Account
Attachments: image001.png,logo_abdfb0ec-e06e-407a-a721-cd0e4f742400.png
Hey James,
Iâ€™ve tried to be careful about communicating with Dr. Deutsch via e-mail for that exact reason. However, South Dakota is apparently very protective of e-mails sent to legislators, and they are generally not
subject to public records request. So they are probably safe. But my lingering concerns is the reason why I donâ€™t weigh in much on these long threads. Basically, Iâ€™m never going to write anything in an e-
mail that I would not want read in open court.
Matt
To: Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>
Subject: Question: Fred's Official Email Account
*EXTERNAL*
Matt,
I've been wondering, if the ACLU files suit, are they going to be able to obtain all of our emails because Fred is using his legislative email account?
James

Michelle,
Thank you for the reference to the American Psychiatric Association. We produced this memo a few years ago and were looking to demonstrate that even our opponents recognize the biological basis for
sex. I completely agree that we do not want to concede that sex is assigned at birth. Iâ€™ll update the memo with the reference you provided.
Matt
Matt Sharp
+1 770 339 0774 (Office)
770-339-6744 (Fax)
msharp@adflegal.org
ADFlegal.org

Cc: juliannehyoung@gmail.com; Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>; Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Natasha Chart
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn
Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>;
mike@drlaidlaw.com; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>;
Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <greg.scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt Heyer
*EXTERNAL*
Richard,
Re: the bill itself, I am not convinced that the specific DSDs should be named and described (section 5) and defer to Dr. Paul Hruz's expertise. Otherwise, I believe that it looks good.
Re: ADF PDF: In Section 2, Matt has quoted the American PSYCHOLOGICAL Association defining sex as "assigned at birth" - I am pasting the section below:
The same is true of a personâ€™s sex. Sex is binary (male or female), fixed, and objectively verifiable. Oneâ€™s sex is genetically established at conception, ascertained at or (via sonogram or genetic
testing) before birth, and may be verified by objective factors such as chromosomes, gonads, hormones, and genitalia. See, e.g., Am. Psychological Assâ€™n, Answers to Your Questions About Transgender
People, Gender Identity and Gender Expression at 1, http://www.apa.org/ topics/lgbt/transgender.pdf. â€œSex is assigned at birth, refers to oneâ€™s biological status as either male or female, and is
associated primarily with physical attributes such as chromosomes, hormone prevalence, and external and internal anatomy.â€
The American Psychiatric Association defines sex as the "biological indication of male and female (understood in the context of reproductive capacity), such as sex
chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, and nonambiguous internal and external genitalia.â€
Reference:
American Psychiatric Association, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: DSM-5 (Washington, D.C.: American Psychiatric Publishing, 2013), p. 829.
Best,
Michelle
(Dr. Cretella)

All,
Steve.
Thanks,

Liberty Counsel
PO Box 540774
Orlando, FL 32854
(407) 875-1776 phone
(407) 875-0770 fax
LC.org
organization.
Sent: 9/24/2019 6:15:53 AM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Quillette article: No One is Born in the Wrong Body
Great, thanks James.
On Sep 24, 2019, at 7:21 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Awesome article!
Particularly like the way it rips into the fallacies of gender identity.
I posted the piece in some of the main Rebbit subs, so hopefully, plenty of traffic will flow from that.
James
On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 07:27:33 AM EDT, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
An essay I wrote with 2 collaborators called “No One is Born in the Wrong Body” was published on Quillette today— please distribute to any who may benefit from reading it.
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for Jane and Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on.
It won’t be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that I personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken
home with a drunk for a father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt growing up was horrific. GD has played a key part in all of
my relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I dealt with were all, uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the
ultimate gate towards SRS. They all understood it was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on young people is nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical community to do what Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r" a n s g e n d e r M e d i c a l
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-complex-on-junk-science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 9/24/2019 6:46:15 AM
Cc: "Laura Haynes, Ph.D." <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Dr. Mike
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jeff
Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michelle Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Miriam
Grossman" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Roger G.
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
Posted everywhere!
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2019, at 4:27 AM, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
An essay I wrote with 2 collaborators called â€œNo One is Born in the Wrong Bodyâ€ was published on
Quillette todayâ€” please distribute to any who may benefit from reading it.
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for
Jane and Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It wonâ€™t
be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the
horror that I personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken
home with a drunk for a father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The
mental torment that I felt growing up was horrific. GD has played a key part in all of my
relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I
dealt with were all, uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the ultimate
gate towards SRS. They all understood it was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on
young people is nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical
community to do what Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-
complex-on-junk-science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
Sent: 10/3/2019 2:49:47 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jeff Shafer"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michelle Cretella MD" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Miriam Grossman"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>,
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Roger G. Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
William,
Congratulations!
Are you in the United Kingdom?
Laura
714-665-3333
On Sep 24, 2019, at 4:27 AM, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:
An essay I wrote with 2 collaborators called â€œNo One is Born in the Wrong Bodyâ€ was published on
Quillette todayâ€” please distribute to any who may benefit from reading it.
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for
Jane and Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It wonâ€™t
be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the
horror that I personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken
home with a drunk for a father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The
mental torment that I felt growing up was horrific. GD has played a key part in all of my
relationships and life decisions.
To this very day I suffer from the consequences that GD has had on my life. But the doctors I
dealt with were all, uniformly reluctant to allow any individual to pass through the ultimate
gate towards SRS. They all understood it was a last resort for the desperate.
And to think that any medical institution would further and promote the debacle that GD has on
young people is nothing less than vile and despicable in the extreme .
I understand that multiple factors has caused ROGD epidemic. But for anyone in the medical
community to do what Oregon medical community has done is criminal.
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
"H o w O r e g o n B u i l t A T r a n" s g e n d e r M e d i c a
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/16/how-oregon-built-a-transgender-medical-industrial-
complex-on-junk-science/#.XYAL-ILuwYY.link
Andre
Sent: 9/24/2019 4:52:07 AM
Cc: "Laura Haynes, Ph.D." <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol MD" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>,
"Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jeff Shafer" <jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Miriam
Grossman" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Paul Hruz, MD, PhD"
<hruz_p007@att.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Roger G.
Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
Congrats, William!
Thx!
On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:27 AM William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com> wrote:

An essay I wrote with 2 collaborators called “No One is Born in the Wrong Body” was published on Quillette today—
please distribute to any who may benefit from reading it.
I am told two or three really good malpractice cases, particularly from minors with regret, and for Jane
and Michael to get so much as one consent form from CH LA or UCSF, and it is game on. It won’t be long.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Dear Team
After reading about the Oregon Hospital and their gender program, I can not describe the horror that
I personally feel. My mental illness and gender dysphoria came out of a broken home with a drunk for
a father, and a mother who was mentally ill who sexually abused me. The mental torment that I felt
Sincerely
Rene Jax
ICYMI:
Andre
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 9/23/2019 5:01:57 AM
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone"
Subject: Re: Quote From A Gender Specialty Surgeon
Awesome. We can forward that to Jane and also the ADF attorneys. Building our case against the Mengeles.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 23, 2019, at 5:56 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Some Monday morning humor for all of you from a surgeon:
“Being transgender is not a choice, and it is not a mental disorder,” Gast said. “This is medically necessary surgery, as every expert-led medical
association in the United States says it is.”
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/health-med-fit/transgender-surgery-now-more-accessible-in-wisconsin-lets-patients-become/article_dd145594-21c3-5697-9fab-
7b22d894eabd.html
Blessings,
James
Sent: 11/5/2019 2:33:38 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Request For A Standards Of Care Document By ACPeds
James,
Good to hear from you! No need to convince me of the need. Unfortunately, the American College of Pediatricians does
not have the bandwidth to do this. However, there is another recently formed group focused solely on this issue that
may attempt to draft alternative SOCs. Mike Laidlaw and Will Malone are active within it, I am less so.
Let me find out if the group is "out" yet.

Best,
Michelle
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:26 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Dr. Cretella,
My best,
James Shupe


Client ID: SHUPE
Note: James: The key language is "breach of the applicable standard of care". This is a brief filed by the VA in a recent Med Mal case in Florida. It is not a perfect resource, but it does show you some of the arguments
you are likely to face from the VA when you file.
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Sent: 1/15/2020 4:10:03 AM
To: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>,
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy
Bcc:
Subject: Re: SD Bill status
The trans shills at the AP only managed to use the word "gender" 11 times in that piece.
"children who do not identify with their biological gender."
For the uninitiated, AP even has a stylebook about how to speak the language of trans.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/10/ap-stylebook-transgender-coverage-dont-say-trans-p/
Great stuff, Rep. Deutsch!
You're wearing the Armor of God in this fight.
Blessings,
James
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 06:19:04 AM EST, Fred Deutsch wrote:

The AP story:
https://apnews.com/5a8ad31253b94bdeb962d367ec7197cd
Sent: 1/14/2020 3:26:46 PM
To: "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea
MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Margaret
Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
42 co-sponsors is AWESOME.
I have prayer warriors praying since the weekend for Friday and beyond!
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:55 PM David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com> wrote:

God speed!

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Great news Fred! The mass of people are against puberty blockers for minors. And the rest of the insanity. I have absolutely no doubt. But we must be ready with our arguments
of course.
-Mike

I will turn in the SD bill in about an hour and a half. It will then become a public document. Of the 105 members in the legislature, we ended up with 42 co-sponsoring the bill.
We head into committee hearing on Friday with a good head of steam.
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/14/2020 4:17:50 PM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Quentin Van
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary
"Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
"Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert
Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister"
Subject: RE: SD Bill status
Some of the coverage of the bill. â€“ Fred

http://dakotawarcollege.com/release-new-south-dakota-bill-protects-children-from-harmful-drugs-surgeries-and-treatments/#comments
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/south-dakota-state-rep-proposes-bill-to-criminalize-gender-transition-surgeries-on-children/
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 1/14/2020 4:23:50 PM
Cc: "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lappert
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy
Disappointing National Review coverage. They should have handed that assignment to Madeleine Kearns, who’s made this
her beat.
On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 7:17 PM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

Some of the coverage of the bill. – Fred
http://dakotawarcollege.com/release-new-south-dakota-bill-protects-children-from-harmful-drugs-surgeries-and-
treatments/#comments
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/south-dakota-state-rep-proposes-bill-to-criminalize-gender-transition-
surgeries-on-children/
Sent: 1/14/2020 5:14:05 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael
Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>,
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart"
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Well done Fred. Great report.
Margaret Clarke
Sent from my iPhone
I will turn in the SD bill in about an hour and a half. It will then become a public document. Of the 105 members in the legislature, we ended up with 42 co-sponsoring the bill. We head into
committee hearing on Friday with a good head of steam.
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 3:18:58 AM
<loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jane Robbins"
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy
The AP story:
Sent: 1/15/2020 5:38:03 AM
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "David Pickup"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Monique Robles MD"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Vernadette
Way to go!
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:10 AM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Blessings,
James
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 06:19:04 AM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
The AP story:
From: Scott, Greg
Sent: 1/15/2020 7:12:30 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
"Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>,
Great work, Fred!

I just tweeted this: https://twitter.com/GScottSays/status/1217457241420333056?s=20
Also, Dr. Laidlaw, I tweeted this yesterday: https://twitter.com/GScottSays/status/1217038759448977408?s=20

To: Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>; Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>; Gary McCaleb <mccgsm@gmail.com>; Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>; Horvath Hacsi
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Hudson, MD Bernard <loyolamd82@gmail.com>; Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Lappert Patrick
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Quentin
Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles

Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
Sent: 1/15/2020 8:39:15 AM
To: "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>,
Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter"
Excellent! Thanks Greg

On 2020-01-15 07:12, Scott, Greg wrote:
Great work, Fred!

<msharp@adflegal.org>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>;
Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>;
Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:10:56 AM
To: "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>
See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our stateâ€™s largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-reassignment-surgeries-

lgbt/4476342002/
Fred
From: Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>

To: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Walt
Great work, Fred!


Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Scott, Greg <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:25:39 AM
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
You "requested" the language from Family Watch International (LOL) (try the other way around!)
Incredible ...
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:10 PM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our state’s largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-

bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-reassignment-surgeries-lgbt/4476342002/
Fred

Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>; Richard Mast <rmast@lc.org>; Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Timothy Millea MD <tmillea@qcora.com>; Vernadette Broyles
Great work, Fred!

Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:25:58 AM
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>,
FANTASTIC WEBPAGE
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 2:25 PM Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Incredible ...

See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our state’s largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-

Fred

Great work, Fred!

Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
Sent: 1/15/2020 11:48:12 AM
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>,
"Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Hudson, MD Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Jane Robbins"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
Agree. Web page is fantastic.

Right now, at least on Twitter no picture accompanies the web page link. Consider talking to your web people Fred
about making that happen. There is code that needs to be added to the web page. If they're not sure how, I can point
them to directions on how to do it.
For right now I used a pic of the main clip in my tweet.
-Mike
FANTASTIC WEBPAGE

Incredible ...

See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our state's largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-

Fred

Great work, Fred!

Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
From: Natasha Chart
Sent: 1/15/2020 12:35:58 PM
To: "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "David Pickup"
Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
What do folks think of this compilation of eugenics references to similar procedures performed on similar
populations, way back when? Any feedback? The format is a little rough, but I'll try to get it in good form for
release by Friday.
One thing to note is that I found multiple references to a federal ban on funding for sterilization for persons
under 21, certainly for those under 18, and a lot of different takes on the once-more-popular view that removal of
the sex organs would improve the mental health of those deemed otherwise incurable.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JT7XYqt7QaCdBaZtz80HCYBQ8Qz49wBf4tYodZNuho8
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:48 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

Right now, at least on Twitter no picture accompanies the web page link. Consider talking to your web people Fred about making that happen. There is code that needs to be added to the
web page. If they're not sure how, I can point them to directions on how to do it.
-Mike
FANTASTIC WEBPAGE
Incredible ...
See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our state's largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-
Fred

Great work, Fred!


Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
Sent: 1/15/2020 12:53:15 PM
Cc: "Dr. Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Eunie Smith" <alaeagle@charter.net>, "Gary
Natasha: This is great work and a great response to opponents. This is something I have thought about for a long
time, especially being in Virginia and living in the community where Carrie Buck and many others were sterilized
following Justice Holmes' approval of such procedures because three generations of imbeciles are more than enough.
Civil rights advocates have been fighting for years to get reparations for these victims and denouncing the
inhumanity of forced sterilization, and now it is being pushed on children. The hypocrisy of decrying the
sterilization of "undesirables" but pushing sterilization of children should be emphasized.
Thanks for your efforts on this.

What do folks think of this compilation of eugenics references to similar procedures performed on similar
populations, way back when? Any feedback? The format is a little rough, but I'll try to get it in good form for
release by Friday.
One thing to note is that I found multiple references to a federal ban on funding for sterilization for persons
under 21, certainly for those under 18, and a lot of different takes on the once-more-popular view that removal of
the sex organs would improve the mental health of those deemed otherwise incurable.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JT7XYqt7QaCdBaZtz80HCYBQ8Qz49wBf4tYodZNuho8
On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, 2:48 PM Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com> wrote:

Right now, at least on Twitter no picture accompanies the web page link. Consider talking to your web people Fred about making that happen. There is code that needs to be added to the
web page. If they're not sure how, I can point them to directions on how to do it.
-Mike
FANTASTIC WEBPAGE
Incredible ...
See www.HB1057.com.
Also, article from our state's largest (liberal) paper: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/01/15/south-dakota-legislature-bill-would-punish-doctors-who-perform-sex-

Fred

Great work, Fred!


Blessings,
James
The AP story:
Greg Scott
Director, Media
202-608-6051
heritage.org
--
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
(434) 610-0873
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/15/2020 7:04:15 PM
Cc:
He told me this is his first "gender article" so had to look usage in the style book!
-----Original Message-----
From: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
To: Natasha Chart ; Fred Deutsch
Cc: David Pickup ; Eunie Smith ; Gary McCaleb ; Glenn Ridder ; Horvath Hacsi ; Hudson, MD Bernard ; Jane Robbins ;
Katherine Cave ; Lappert Patrick ; MD Paul Hruz PhD ; Margaret Clarke ; Mary McAlister ; Matt Sharp ; McHugh Paul ;
Michael Laidlaw ; Michelle Cretella ; Monique Robles MD ; Quentin Van Meter ; Richard Mast ; Roger Brooks ; Scott,
Greg ; Timothy Millea MD ; Vernadette Broyles ; Walt Heyer ; William Malone
Blessings,
James
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 06:19:04 AM EST, Fred Deutsch wrote:

The AP story:
Sent: 1/14/2020 1:50:08 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea
MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Jane Robbins"
<rlrobb123@gmail.com>, drmcretella@gmail.com
Great news Fred! The mass of people are against puberty blockers for minors. And the rest of the insanity. I have
absolutely no doubt. But we must be ready with our arguments of course.
-Mike

I will turn in the SD bill in about an hour and a half. It will then become a public document. Of the 105 members
in the legislature, we ended up with 42 co-sponsoring the bill. We head into committee hearing on Friday with a
good head of steam.
Fred
Sent: 1/10/2020 10:12:16 AM
Cc: "Margaret Clarke" <margaretclarke317@icloud.com>
What a bunch of "baloney sandwiches" as my kids say ...
The Devil never sleeps. I pray for the 2nd coming more and more ...
On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:59 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Margaret and Michelle,
Sharing with the two of you for insight this court order from the big Wisconson transgender case that forces Medicaid to pay for surgeries.
"Everyone has a gender identity, and for most people, their gender identity is consistent with the sex designated on their birth certificate (variously referred to in medical literature as one’s
“assigned,” “designated” or “natal” sex)."
https://www.relmanlaw.com/media/cases/501_Flack%20-%20Summary%20Judgment%20Decision%20_8-16-19_.pdf
The LGBT lawyers wrote this into the case and the judge parroted it in his order. That's how serious this is.
James
Margaret,
I hope that your AL Eagle Forum can educate legislators and I will mention the importance of language at the St. Louis Meeting. This is unfortunate re: AL "GIRL ACT" (see below by James Shupe - the former first legally
recognized "non-binary" American who came to embrace reality and Christ, and just won the legal right to change his legal sex designation back to male). I am not sure we can correct the GIRL ACT (I've not been able to
give that thought yet).
In a nutshell: Sex is real, physical ... gender is SUBJECTIVE heavily rooted in sex stereotypes - we can have feminine appearing men; masculine appearing women but sex trumps gender in sports (and reality generally).
Gender is a poisonous word.
Best,
Michelle

All,
The legal definition of gender only listed “masculine, feminine or neuter” to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the Tuesday opinion
said.
To assume that the 1988 use of “gender” in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals “strains credulity” and so the law cannot be applied to Steuball’s case, Gadola wrote.
Similarly, as training materials are produced, it would be great to create some stuff about the dirty and inconsistent history of gender identity to educate lawmakers and give them talking
points, something I've come to believe many policymaker are not familiar with.
We've gone from the John Money days of transsexuals having a gender identity to it now being claimed that well have a gender identity. Then around 2011, the other 80 or so flavors of
gender started getting unleashed and backed by the APA, etc.
The language matters. Every time we use the words gender or gender identity we are advancing the ideology as real and legit Apologies if I come off as preaching on this one, but I'm
proof of the harm.
Blessings,
James
Sent: 1/10/2020 12:20:50 PM
Cc: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Thank you James for this heads up!
Margaret Clarke
Sent from my iPhone
Margaret and Michelle,
Sharing with the two of you for insight this court order from the big Wisconson transgender case that forces Medicaid to pay for surgeries.
"Everyone has a gender identity, and for most people, their gender identity is consistent with the sex designated on their birth certificate (variously referred to in medical
literature as one’s “assigned,” “designated” or “natal” sex)."
https://www.relmanlaw.com/media/cases/501_Flack%20-%20Summary%20Judgment%20Decision%20_8-16-19_.pdf
The LGBT lawyers wrote this into the case and the judge parroted it in his order. That's how serious this is.
James
Margaret,
I hope that your AL Eagle Forum can educate legislators and I will mention the importance of language at the St. Louis Meeting. This is unfortunate re: AL "GIRL ACT" (see below by James Shupe - the former
first legally recognized "non-binary" American who came to embrace reality and Christ, and just won the legal right to change his legal sex designation back to male). I am not sure we can correct the GIRL
ACT (I've not been able to give that thought yet).
In a nutshell: Sex is real, physical ... gender is SUBJECTIVE heavily rooted in sex stereotypes - we can have feminine appearing men; masculine appearing women but sex trumps gender in sports (and reality
generally). Gender is a poisonous word.
Best,
Michelle
All,
The legal definition of gender only listed “masculine, feminine or neuter” to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the Tuesday
opinion said.
To assume that the 1988 use of “gender” in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals “strains credulity” and so the law cannot be applied to Steuball’s case, Gadola
wrote.
Blessings,
James
Attachment:
Sent: 1/14/2020 10:44:52 AM
Iâ€™ve passed this on to our Rep in GA, and we will stress with supporters. Thanks!
Vernadette

770.448.4525
All,
This is Exhibit A from yesterday's news: â€œGender is Real Legislative (GIRL) Actâ€
The legal definition of gender only listed â€œmasculine, feminine or neuterâ€ to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the
Tuesday opinion said.
The appellate panel instead based its reasoning on the dictionary meaning of the word â€œgenderâ€ in 1988, which limited the meaning to â€œsex,â€ or the â€œbiological roles of male and
female.â€
To assume that the 1988 use of â€œgenderâ€ in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals â€œstrains credulityâ€ and so the law cannot be applied to Steuballâ€™s
case, Gadola wrote.
Blessings,
James
Sent: 1/10/2020 8:41:58 AM
Cc:
I'm with you James. That's why I called it the "Gender Identity Phantom" in one of my articles. An unprovable
unreality.
Thanks for everything you're doing. My wife saw an article about your recent court decision. She said "have you
heard of this guy?" Ah, yes I said, we're on many email chains. Glad to be so. Thanks again.
-Mike
All,
This is Exhibit A from yesterday's news: "Gender is Real Legislative (GIRL) Act"

The legal definition of gender only listed "masculine, feminine or neuter" to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the Tuesday opinion
said.
The appellate panel instead based its reasoning on the dictionary meaning of the word "gender" in 1988, which limited the meaning to "sex," or the "biological roles of male and female."
To assume that the 1988 use of "gender" in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals "strains credulity" and so the law cannot be applied to Steuball's case, Gadola wrote.
The language matters. Every time we use the words gender or gender identity we are advancing the ideology as real and legit Apologies if I come off as preaching on this one, but I'm
proof of the harm.
Blessings,
James
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 10/13/2017 7:31:35 AM
To: "webmaster@archive.is" <webmaster@archive.is>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: Site Errors
Right now my IP is "Verizon Wireless (70.211.17.142)", but it's an impossible situation for me because I use cellular data as my only Internet source. And my IP changes every time I unplug
and plug my phone in.
I live in an RV, and move frequently, so I use cellular by necessity. But I would think it would be okay to whitelist Verizon wireless ranges, wouldn't it? Isn't it unlikely that cellular is going to be
used to attack because it's metered?
It's expensive, I spend $220 a month with Verizon for their crap. Ugh.
Thanks.
Jamie
From: webmaster <webmaster@archive.is>

Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:19 AM
Hi
This might be because of anti-bot detection (since Cloudflare

cancelled archive.is few days ago I had to make my own and it is far
from perfect). Tell me your IP or IP range to whitelist
On 10/13/17, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
> There's site errors going on for the past several hours. When a link is
> requested to be archived it arrives to a blank page. Refreshing the page
> still ends up blank. But after several minutes when the link is attempted
> again, it says it's already been archived. This occurred on several
> different attempts to archive different news articles.
> Thanks!
> Jamie
>
From: webmaster
Sent: 10/13/2017 6:50:06 AM
Cc:
I agree, it should be safe to whitelist whole Verizon.

Let me know in case of new problems.
On 10/13/17, Jamie Shupe wrote:

> Right now my IP is "Verizon Wireless (70.211.17.142)", but it's an
> impossible situation for me because I use cellular data as my only Internet
> source. And my IP changes every time I unplug and plug my phone in.
> I live in an RV, and move frequently, so I use cellular by necessity. But I
> would think it would be okay to whitelist Verizon wireless ranges, wouldn't
> it? Isn't it unlikely that cellular is going to be used to attack because
> it's metered?
> It's expensive, I spend $220 a month with Verizon for their crap. Ugh.
> Thanks.
> Jamie
>
>
> From: webmaster
> To: Jamie Shupe
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 3:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Site Errors
>
> Hi
>
> This might be because of anti-bot detection (since Cloudflare
> cancelled archive.is few days ago I had to make my own and it is far
> from perfect). Tell me your IP or IP range to whitelist
>
> On 10/13/17, Jamie Shupe wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> There's site errors going on for the past several hours. When a link is
>> requested to be archived it arrives to a blank page. Refreshing the page
>> still ends up blank. But after several minutes when the link is attempted
>> again, it says it's already been archived. This occurred on several
>> different attempts to archive different news articles.
>> Thanks!
>> Jamie
>>
>
>
>
Sent: 8/13/2019 7:49:47 PM
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Re: South Dakota legislation (Returning Notes With My Thoughts On Suggested Changes)
Thanks, Fred, I'll take a look and get back with you soon.
On the size thing, I was only referring to their synopsis versus your summary. Not the lengthy interior part that's 34 pages.
So I wasn't clear about the white paper not being part of the bill.
Blessings,
James
On Tuesday, August 13, 2019, 05:47:42 PM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
James, thank you for taking the time, not just to review the materials, but to think deeply and critically about them.
All of you comments need feedback and dialog.
Let me start by saying I reviewed the Illinois bill and spoke with its sponsor Rep. Tom Morrison. The Illinois bill is 34 pages long. Ours is 2 pages! I think we are getting it down to a very concise bill.
The white paper is not the bill, but is only information I am providing legislators during my educational coffee tours to meet with them this summer and fall.
The most recent version of the bill is attached. Some of the most significant changes on page 1:
Line 8 – we define child as age 15 and under. Purely political calculation. If we use age 18, the bill will likely die a quick death.
Line 18 – defined sex. The next version will change “sex organs” to “natal sex organs.” We eliminated sexual identity.
Line 23 – we substantially narrowed the bill, changing it from “any person” to any mental healthcare provider or any doctor (actually, a list of licensed providers).
Line 26 – changed the focus of the bill to “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex . . .”
On page 2, I understand your comments about using the word “supraphysiologic,” but I think it is okay since it refers to doses that induce infertility.
Please provide me your feedback about the above in relation to the attached bill. Thanks for your help! - Fred

Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 2:25 PM
Rep. Deutsch,
I've reviewed the documents and I see lots of problems in the language. I've included my notes about this in a text file because of hyperlinks. I didn't want a filter to snag this email.
My comments in a nutshell: I think a significant amount of the language should be stripped from this act. I provided an example of a similar Illinois bill with reduced language as an example.
As you know, I'm not a lawyer, but I've spent a lot of time reading about and studying this stuff, so my observations are based on that. And as a former Army leader, I'm trained to always
look for the loopholes troops will use against the folks who make the rules. The same thing applies here.
If you need more clarification on something I wrote, don't hesitate to reach out or call me if necessary and I'll elaborate further.
Respectfully submitted,
James Shupe
On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 02:02:54 AM EDT, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Attached is a draft of the bill and white paper. I am grateful for your help. – Fred
PS Suggestions for modifications to the white paper are always welcome.

Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/13/2019 1:47:36 PM
Cc:
Subject: RE: South Dakota legislation (Returning Notes With My Thoughts On Suggested Changes)
Attachments: Vulnerable Child Protection Act- August 11.pdf
James, thank you for taking the time, not just to review the materials, but to think deeply and critically about them.
All of you comments need feedback and dialog.

Let me start by saying I reviewed the Illinois bill and spoke with its sponsor Rep. Tom Morrison. The Illinois bill is 34 pages long. Ours is 2 pages! I think we are getting it down to a very concise bill.
The white paper is not the bill, but is only information I am providing legislators during my educational coffee tours to meet with them this summer and fall.
The most recent version of the bill is attached. Some of the most significant changes on page 1:
Line 8 â€“ we define child as age 15 and under. Purely political calculation. If we use age 18, the bill will likely die a quick death.
Line 18 â€“ defined sex. The next version will change â€œsex organsâ€ to â€œnatal sex organs.â€ We eliminated sexual identity.
Line 23 â€“ we substantially narrowed the bill, changing it from â€œany personâ€ to any mental healthcare provider or any doctor (actually, a list of licensed providers).
Line 26 â€“ changed the focus of the bill to â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex . . .â€
On page 2, I understand your comments about using the word â€œsupraphysiologic,â€ but I think it is okay since it refers to doses that induce infertility.
Please provide me your feedback about the above in relation to the attached bill. Thanks for your help! - Fred

Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 2:25 PM
Rep. Deutsch,
I've reviewed the documents and I see lots of problems in the language. I've included my notes about this in a text file because of hyperlinks. I didn't want a filter to snag this email.
My comments in a nutshell: I think a significant amount of the language should be stripped from this act. I provided an example of a similar Illinois bill with reduced language as an example.
As you know, I'm not a lawyer, but I've spent a lot of time reading about and studying this stuff, so my observations are based on that. And as a former Army leader, I'm trained to always
look for the loopholes troops will use against the folks who make the rules. The same thing applies here.
If you need more clarification on something I wrote, don't hesitate to reach out or call me if necessary and I'll elaborate further.
James Shupe
Attached is a draft of the bill and white paper. I am grateful for your help. â€“ Fred

From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/8/2019 5:15:04 AM
Cc:
Subject: RE: South Dakota legislation (Shupe Documents)
Thanks for the info. I’ll review everything. I’ve communicated briefly with Walt. He’s in the middle of a move so I need to get back in touch with him after he settles into his new place. Again, appreciate the
help. - Fred

Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: South Dakota legislation (Shupe Documents)
Rep. Deutsch,
I'll review these and get back with you. Attached is a letter I authored this week for an Alabama school district and the link to my Canadian affidavit for a lawsuit to help end the SOGI training
in their schools.
Feedback from Family Policy says the letter was well-received. You might find the tactics I used in it useful.
https://www.jccf.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Filed-Affidavit-of-Former-Transgender-and-Non-Binary-Person-1.pdf
If he's not on your radar, Walt Heyer also gets involved in this stuff. I can provide more information about him if needed.
Just a heads up, my name change is still pending with the court here in Ocala, so I have to sign everything with Jamie until then. No clue why it's taking so long.
Thanks for your work on this issue!
God bless,
James Shupe

From: Rene Jax
Sent: 2/16/2019 10:03:22 AM
Cc: "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Special request
Dr Cretella.
Yescertainly. Also you can tell them I am working with the Archbishop of Vietnam on putting together presentation
there to their youth goups.
Jackie
On Saturday, February 16, 2019, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends,
On April 4th, I will give a 45 min power point presentation to the Committee of 10 Bishops from the United States
Council of Catholic Bishops that is responsible for drafting transgender guidelines for America's Catholic
Hospitals, physicians and health systems.
I am entitling it "A Cry for Help NOT Hormones" and will cover the science as it pertains to kids & adults;
underlying (anti-Christian) worldview and societal ramifications.
Would the four of you allow me to use a head shot of each of you on my title slide? I want the Bishops to know I am
talking about REAL people.
Michelle
--
Sincerely
Rene Jax
From: Hacsi Horvath
Sent: 2/15/2019 8:22:47 PM
To: "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Rene Jax" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Walt Heyer"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Hacsi Horvath" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Jamie Shupe" <Jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Re: Special request
Good evening! Yes indeed.
All the best,
H.
On Friday, February 15, 2019, 19:21, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
Friends,
On April 4th, I will give a 45 min power point presentation to the Committee of 10 Bishops from the United
States Council of Catholic Bishops that is responsible for drafting transgender guidelines for America's
Catholic Hospitals, physicians and health systems.
I am entitling it "A Cry for Help NOT Hormones" and will cover the science as it pertains to kids & adults;
underlying (anti-Christian) worldview and societal ramifications.
Would the four of you allow me to use a head shot of each of you on my title slide? I want the Bishops to
know I am talking about REAL people.
Michelle
Sent: 2/11/2020 8:15:11 PM
Cc:
Subject: Re: Thank You for Your Article
James,
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. At this point we don’t have any transitions that are willing to testify at
all in Alabama. Thanks for the seasoned wisdom.
Margaret
Margaret,
A thought to share while it's on my mind. I don't remember if you got to witness the blow-out I had with the
transsexual that Fred had testifying on behalf of his bill, but I think getting into bed with folks who are still
actively "identifying" as the opposite sex and or haven't made any formal efforts to reclaim their birth sex, etc.,
is a really bad idea, and I highly discourage it. Not to mention, you run the risk of them turning over all the
communications to entities such as the ACLU as they're happening or later.
In this case, I'm referring to Scott Newgent, the female that still identifies as a male.
It's essentially putting someone on the witness stand and having them say "this is bad unless you're doing it like I
am as an adult." This is a really bad strategy when the opposition is making the case that they're creating a better
version of that person who's gonna suffer less and be spared the surgeries, have time to change their mind, etc.
See where I'm going with this?
So I not only think this is a bad idea, I flat out don't trust these folks.
James
On Tuesday, February 11, 2020, 01:22:32 AM EST, Margaret Clarke wrote:
Thank you James. We are going to need your support as well.
Margaret Clarke
Sent from my iPhone
> Thank you as well, Margaret, for your kind words and support.
>
> I prayed for Fred and the rest of you yesterday that have been willing to take on this big fight.
>
> Fred's facing another hearing today, and I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with all of you on this important
>
> Blessings,
>
> James
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 10, 2020, 09:00:15 AM EST, Margaret Clarke wrote:
>
>
> Good morning James,
>
> Thank you for your precious message of redemption. I am leading a coalition her in Alabama to adopt a bill similar
God great glory!!!
>
> Thank you so much,
> Margaret
>
>
> Margaret Clarke, General Counsel
>
>
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Sent: 2/12/2020 1:20:58 PM
Cc:
Hey, can you send me a link to your article. I may want to use it!
Blessings,
James
Good morning James,
God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,

Margaret

205.879.7096 office
205.587.5166 cell
www.eagleforum.org
Sent: 2/12/2020 1:32:14 PM
Cc:
I thought I just saw an article that you wrote in Heritage email? No?
On Feb 12, 2020, at 3:31 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) wrote:
Margaret,
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "my article?"
Much appreciated if you could narrow that down some.
Thanks!
James
On Wednesday, February 12, 2020, 04:21:07 PM EST, Margaret Clarke wrote:
Blessings,
James

Good morning James,
God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,

Margaret

205.879.7096 office
205.587.5166 cell
www.eagleforum.org
Sent: 2/12/2020 1:33:37 PM
Cc:
Yes! Thank you!
Are you referring to my OP-ED this week?
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/02/10/my-new-life-after-transgender-despair/
I thought I just saw an article that you wrote in Heritage email? No?
Margaret,
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "my article?"
Much appreciated if you could narrow that down some.
Thanks!
James
Blessings,
James
Good morning James,
God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,

Margaret

205.879.7096 office
205.587.5166 cell
www.eagleforum.org
Sent: 2/10/2020 10:22:22 PM
Cc:
Thank you James. We are going to need your support as well.
Margaret Clarke
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2020, at 8:06 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fred's facing another hearing today, and I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with all of you on this important issue. You're not wrong about this, it really is what needs to
happen to protect these children and their parents.
Blessings,
James
On Monday, February 10, 2020, 09:00:15 AM EST, Margaret Clarke <margaretclarke317@icloud.com> wrote:
Good morning James,

Thank you for your precious message of redemption. I am leading a coalition her in Alabama to adopt a bill similar to Rep. Fred Deutsch’s. He and Michelle have been coaching us. You will be on our prayer
list. It is so encouraging to see the genuine work of the Lord in your heart and your courage to admit failure. More importantly that Jesus Christ is the sole help of you heart and sole. Heart change is the
greatest miracle of all!! Your testimony gives God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,
Margaret

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From: VBroyles
Sent: 8/20/2019 6:39:46 PM
Cc: "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>,
"Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>,
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle
Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Age 16 Discussion
That is great news. It will send a signal to other Republican legislators.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
FYI, I met today with the President Pro Tempore (highest ranking member of the Senate). He agreed to be the Prime Sponsor of the bill in the Senate. Good news. - Fred

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 8:24 PM
To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
Subject: The Age 16 Discussion
All,
It occurred to me this evening to point out something really critical in this discussion about age. Fred's bill, if passed, will force these children to go through their natural puberty.
That's critically important because puberty according to study's will cure 85%-90% of these children of their gender dysphoria.
Dr. Malone pointed this out in a recent video interview. I'm attaching the link with the video time marked to start where Dr. Malone discusses this. So please think about that
important fact before getting discouraged.
https://youtu.be/z4RYl75zdMY?t=386
James
Friends, establishing the age is a political calculation. If I believe it's feasible to increase the age after talking with legislators over the next few months, I will. You'll just have to
trust me on this.
In response to Jamesâ€™ question, individuals aged 15 or younger in South Dakota are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution
for statutory rape. South Dakota statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16. A child petitioning for
emancipation must be at least sixteen years old in SD. That's the landscape. -- Fred
To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt
Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: update
Like many of you, I initially wrestled with this same question about age, but then I started looking at some of South Dakota's laws, such as the age of consent for sex,
emancipation, age of consent for medical treatment, etc.
Fred, if possible, can you give the group the legal age for these types of things and others that come to mind?
Politics generally always involves compromise. That said, I'd rather settle for 16 than having this done to 13-14 year-olds, which is happening in places like Oregon and
California already. The extra time might well save at least some of them. And WPATH is trying to take that age far lower.
An example:
James
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019, 03:35:21 PM EDT, Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net> wrote:
Fred and all, I agree with Vernadette on the definition of a child. If the age is to be defined at 15 and younger, then what about those under the age of majority that are excluded? Vernadette is absolutely correct
that this population is just as vulnerable, albeit on a different level. They are still minors and to â€œnegotiateâ€ an age is to compromise...which leaves older teens without a voice to speak for them. And, what
about the parents and their rights of these older teens who may not be aware of â€œtherapiesâ€ that the teen is seeking out in private?
I am witnessing firsthand an alarming increase in the rate of teens (in this age range) with suicidal attempts and drug overdoses in the PICU. We will be leaving them to the wolves if the age for this bill is not
raised to the age of majority.
Monique
On Aug 19, 2019, at 2:01 PM, VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Fred
Iâ€™ve read the much streamlined version and I have significant concerns about adding a definition for â€œchildâ€ at the outset that means 15 or younger.
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple arenas by creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer â€œchildrenâ€ (i.e.,
abortion, sexual consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue â€” this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance
from parents and adults because of what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of â€œchildâ€ that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you
want to keep this age cut off, then you can simply specify â€œa child age fifteen or youngerâ€ on line 25.
Second, it would be very helpful for us to understand why the arbitrary cut off at age 16, rather than the long-standing age of majority of 18 (which is still too young developmentally to make such decisions, but
the law leaves us no choice). Is there some other analogous situation in SD law that makes 16 a logical cut off? What specific concerns (other than this bill is going to be hard to pass) or explanations for this
cut off age are you hearing?
Itâ€™s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks â€” that by having negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate
away during the legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support and excitement of the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked
briefly with the Ex Dir of the Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for the fight. I said â€œyesâ€ to the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if
you start by giving away 16 and 17-year olds right from the outset, as opposed to at least holding that in the pocket.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
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Iâ€™m comfortable the bill and white paper are at or near final form.
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a clue
about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state and the governor
experienced political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any different.
I meet with the governorâ€™s top policy advisor next week to discuss the bill.
Iâ€™ve targeted about 20% of the legislature to meet one-on-one prior to session.
KC from Kelsey Coalition will be developing her suggested strategy for testimony that Iâ€™ll bounce off our South Dakota team.
Fred
<Vulnerable Child Protection Act- August 11 draft.pdf>
Attachment:
Sent: 8/21/2019 7:04:07 AM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Michael
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Age 16 Discussion
I want to respond to two issues raised in previous emails. First, Jamie's comment about puberty desistance data and
"gender dysphoria." It is important to note that these studies are not reflecting what has been happening over the
past few years.
As those of us on the front lines have observed, many/most of the children and young adults caught up in this new
epidemic do not have "gender dysphoria." Some do not even try to appear as the opposite sex in their appearance. It
is a very curious phenomenon when the "gender expression" does not even match the "gender identity." It seems much
more akin to an identity crisis/disorder. So the desistance data from years ago, that just studied very young kids
(mostly boys) cannot be extrapolated to this new emergence. Just today, I received a story from a father of a
kindergartner who asserted her identity out of the blue. There is no dysphoria. No opposite sex behaviors. Just an
asserted identity.
Similarly, the adolescent and young adult emergence is also not always preceded by GD. Some exhibit signs after the
trans identity; some never do. On top of this is the increasing prevalence of non-binary identities that are being
medicalized, in which GD is not part of the conversation at all.
The research will not be able to reflect these anecdotal observations for many years, but I believe they are
critical to consider when messaging. So please consider there are many different pathways to these identities and
that the research that we do have does not reflect what is happening in real time. I tried to distinguish these
different demographics and pathways on the KC website (which Michelle Cretella, Lisa Littman, Mike Bailey, and Sasha
Ayad have reviewed and approved): https://www.kelseycoalition.org/identity-medicine
Second, 100% agree that older teens need protection from these medical interventions. I also wish we could go
further and protect young adults whose brains are still developing and are even more at risk because of the current
informed consent model in which hormonal treatments may be initiated in only one visit. But I will defer to Fred's
political savvy on this and do hope that the age limit will be raised to at least 18.
And great work, Fred! That is fantastic news about sponsorship! ~KC
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 9:30 PM Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Fred Deutsch
Cc: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>;
Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine
Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>
All,
It occurred to me this evening to point out something really critical in this discussion about age. Fred's bill, if passed, will force these children to go through their natural puberty. That's
critically important because puberty according to study's will cure 85%-90% of these children of their gender dysphoria.
Dr. Malone pointed this out in a recent video interview. I'm attaching the link with the video time marked to start where Dr. Malone discusses this. So please think about that important fact
before getting discouraged.
James
Friends, establishing the age is a political calculation. If I believe it's feasible to increase the age after talking with legislators over the next few months, I will. You'll just have to trust me on
this.
In response to James’ question, individuals aged 15 or younger in South Dakota are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory
rape. South Dakota statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16. A child petitioning for emancipation must be at least
sixteen years old in SD. That's the landscape. -- Fred

Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>;
Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt
Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: update
Like many of you, I initially wrestled with this same question about age, but then I started looking at some of South Dakota's laws, such as the age of consent for sex, emancipation, age of
consent for medical treatment, etc.
Politics generally always involves compromise. That said, I'd rather settle for 16 than having this done to 13-14 year-olds, which is happening in places like Oregon and California already.
The extra time might well save at least some of them. And WPATH is trying to take that age far lower.
An example:
James
Fred and all, I agree with Vernadette on the definition of a child. If the age is to be defined at 15 and younger, then what about those under the age of majority that are excluded? Vernadette is absolutely correct that this
population is just as vulnerable, albeit on a different level. They are still minors and to “negotiate” an age is to compromise...which leaves older teens without a voice to speak for them. And, what about the parents and their
rights of these older teens who may not be aware of “therapies” that the teen is seeking out in private?
I am witnessing firsthand an alarming increase in the rate of teens (in this age range) with suicidal attempts and drug overdoses in the PICU. We will be leaving them to the wolves if the age for this bill is not raised to the
age of majority.
Monique
Fred
I’ve read the much streamlined version and I have significant concerns about adding a definition for “child” at the outset that means 15 or younger.
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple arenas by creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer “children” (i.e., abortion, sexual
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue — this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because
of what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of “child” that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can simply
specify “a child age fifteen or younger” on line 25.
Second, it would be very helpful for us to understand why the arbitrary cut off at age 16, rather than the long-standing age of majority of 18 (which is still too young developmentally to make such decisions, but the law
leaves us no choice). Is there some other analogous situation in SD law that makes 16 a logical cut off? What specific concerns (other than this bill is going to be hard to pass) or explanations for this cut off age are you
hearing?
It’s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks — that by having negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate away during the
legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support and excitement of the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked briefly with the Ex Dir of the
Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for the fight. I said “yes” to the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if you start by giving away 16 and 17-year olds
right from the outset, as opposed to at least holding that in the pocket.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far has a clue about what’s
happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state and the governor experienced
political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any different.
Fred
--
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/20/2019 5:30:40 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
"William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: The Age 16 Discussion

To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>;
William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris
Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>
All,
James
this.
In response to Jamesâ€™ question, individuals aged 15 or younger in South Dakota are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory

Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon
Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: update
An example:
James
population is just as vulnerable, albeit on a different level. They are still minors and to â€œnegotiateâ€ an age is to compromise...which leaves older teens without a voice to speak for them. And, what about the parents and
their rights of these older teens who may not be aware of â€œtherapiesâ€ that the teen is seeking out in private?
I am witnessing firsthand an alarming increase in the rate of teens (in this age range) with suicidal attempts and drug overdoses in the PICU. We will be leaving them to the wolves if the age for this bill is not raised to the age
of majority.
Monique
Fred
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple arenas by creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer â€œchildrenâ€ (i.e., abortion, sexual
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue â€” this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because
of what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of â€œchildâ€ that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can
simply specify â€œa child age fifteen or youngerâ€ on line 25.
Second, it would be very helpful for us to understand why the arbitrary cut off at age 16, rather than the long-standing age of majority of 18 (which is still too young developmentally to make such decisions, but the law leaves
us no choice). Is there some other analogous situation in SD law that makes 16 a logical cut off? What specific concerns (other than this bill is going to be hard to pass) or explanations for this cut off age are you hearing?
Itâ€™s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks â€” that by having negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate away during
the legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support and excitement of the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked briefly with the Ex Dir of the
Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for the fight. I said â€œyesâ€ to the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if you start by giving away 16 and 17-year
olds right from the outset, as opposed to at least holding that in the pocket.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a clue about
whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 2/17/2019 7:38:01 AM
Cc: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Anti Trans Donald Trump Twitter Account
Done!
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2019, at 4:46 AM, Jamie Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Please join me in Tweeting a new Twitter account.
Also open to suggestions for tweets?
https://twitter.com/AntiTransDonald
Thanks!
Jamie Shupe
Sent: 1/29/2020 7:57:55 AM
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle"
MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<TMillea@qcora.com>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Shafer Jeff"
Subject: Re: Today we go to battle in SD
Know that many have prayed and are praying for you this day. Do not back down, nor should you be afraid. Know that
the Lord is with you. The children of South Dakota belong to him. He is jealous over them. Let his jealousies be
spoken forth in the House of Representatives of South Dakota today so that his children would be made safe. Know you
are HIS representative today. Do not be afraid. Stand firm in what is right.
Vernadette
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:25 AM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
ï»¿
Today, we do battle on the SD House Floor. Thank you for all your work, and your prayers. - Fred
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:57:33 AM
Cc: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Lappert Patrick"
<patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
Jane" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Mast Richard" <rmast@lc.org>, "Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Jon Hansen" <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: Today we go to battle in SD
Psalm 94:16, 20. Praying with you.
Margaret Clarke
General counsel, Eagle Forum of Alabama
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 29, 2020, at 6:25 AM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/19/2020 11:36:11 AM
Cc: "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: Trans Global Alliance
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK following
the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and it’s best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the
small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing Pro
trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him better than
anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not for
them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and surgeries in the process. Am I understanding that
correctly?
How's it sound like that?
Cut your losses now, is my advice.
James

Dear James & Andre
(Scott Newgent is founder of Trans Global Alliance and is on SD team).

I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago -
now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Maybe so but that change everything problematic that I just correctly pointed out.
Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this is medically
necessary under the guise of gender.

James,
MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:24 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dr. Cretella,
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but

their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they
really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse,
they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition.
People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the
wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of
these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being
done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender
ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the
children we are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place
for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace,
but no child should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to
kids and I was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are
just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just
are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it
passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please
understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-

economic-development/4503457002/
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 11:51:41 AM
Cc: "jamie.shupe@yahoo.com" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
I Understand what you are both saying; you are right.
BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of entire
team when the bill is to be defended in committee Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s strategy.
Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK
following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and it’s best that, as this bill goes,
we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing
Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him
better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not
for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and surgeries in the process. Am I
understanding that correctly?
James

Dear James & Andre
I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long
ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:38 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this is
medically necessary under the guise of gender.

James,
FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of Fred’s key
witnesses...
MC
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:24 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
Dr. Cretella,
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored
them.
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of

children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play
make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and
all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true
transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual
paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the
actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely
to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you can still
turn back.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender
ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to
the children we are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's
no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition
to find peace, but no child should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this
to kids and I was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you
are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do,
they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic
if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids.
Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
“The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislator’s home and office
numbers."
https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-criminalizing-underage-gender-
treatments/
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-

youth-threatens-economic-development/4503457002/
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 12:15:13 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
James,
I now follow your full reasoning & have to sincerely respect that. Thx for patiently spelling it all out to me.
Sincerely,
Michelle
Sent from my iPhone
I'm quoting Scott here:
"But, if we turn it around after we shut it down and talk to the ADULT TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, like me and say,"
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have anything to
do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical transitioning. What we
are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and decide to put themselves there for life than an
adult about their own lives.
Here's how this should be addressed. Even if you can somehow justify the "trans" medical treatments for consenting adults, it's medical malpractice to indulge the delusion that
the person has a gender identity and "affirm" that false identity in your words and actions.
I wrested with: Do I want to say it behind Scott's back or in her face?" Am I correct that Scott is an FTM? And I decided if I wasn't willing to say it in Scott's face, I shouldn't say it
at all.
Scott can be dropped with a simple explanation that endorsing Scott's gender ideology has negative effects on females, example sports, etc.
Again, the ACLU and the AMA are gonna testify that building Scott at a young age is better and healthier, spares the surgeries and produces a better cosmetic product.
James
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 02:51:43 PM EST, <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of entire team when the bill is to be defended in committee Wednesday
with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 19, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and
it’s best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a
loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:18 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and surgeries
in the process. Am I understanding that correctly?
>
> How's it sound like that?
>
> Cut your losses now, is my advice.
>
> James
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 1:56 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear James & Andre
>>
>> (Scott Newgent is founder of Trans Global Alliance and is on SD team).
>>
>> I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:38 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe so but that change everything problematic that I just correctly pointed out.
>>>
>>> Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this is medically necessary under the guise of gender.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 1:33 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com
>>>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>> FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of Fred’s key witnesses...
>>>> MC
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 1:24 PM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Cretella,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm going to respectfully disagree with that, and I'll explain why.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely ignored them.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make
believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that
had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm
being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you can still turn back.
>>>>>
>>>>> So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or contribute to the Blaire White types profiteering from this type of behavior.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM, drmcretella@gmail.com
>>>>>> <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott is right. Having more trans adults come forward would be a game changer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And my twitter was shut down and my website was hacked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we are saving.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no
child should go through this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to kids and I was appalled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared
of coming out and saying it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this
will not end well if this doesnt pass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the ACLU is giving out your home phone number, Fred?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> “The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislator’s home and office numbers."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-criminalizing-underage-gender-treatments/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 08:55:11 AM EST, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-economic-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/19/2020 2:37:55 PM
To: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Very true, Michelle.
Andre
On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:51 AM, drmcretella@gmail.com wrote:
BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of
entire team when the bill is to be defended in committee Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s
strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely
OK following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and it’s best that, as this
bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with
glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a loose cannon. However ,
Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:18 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you
but not for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and surgeries in the
process. Am I understanding that correctly?
James

Dear James & Andre
I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness
long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this
is medically necessary under the guise of gender.

James,
FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of Fred’s key
witnesses...
MC
Sent from my iPhone

Dr. Cretella,
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've largely
ignored them.
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization

of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone
to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have
compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves
as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like
me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in
the wrong body.
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because
the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing
immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in
fact.
Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you can
still turn back.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce
gender ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these persons.
Or contribute to the Blaire White types profiteering from this type of

behavior.
James

Scott is right. Having more trans adults come forward would be a game
changer.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Scott Newgent <scottnewgent@gmail.com>
wrote:
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose
sight to the children we are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and
it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to
transition to find peace, but no child should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were
doing this to kids and I was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this

and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel
the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is
historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving
millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if
this doesnt pass.
Scott
“The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of legislator’s home
and office numbers."
https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-criminalizing-
underage-gender-treatments/
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-

transgender-youth-threatens-economic-development/4503457002/
Fred
Sent: 1/19/2020 2:48:34 PM
Cc: "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
James,
You did not come off heavy handed - I am glad for your persistent explanation. I had to question timing and manner
due to political situation, but you were being transparent and truthful.
MC
Sent from my iPhone
Very true, Michelle.

Andre
On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:51 AM, drmcretella@gmail.com wrote:

BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front
of entire team when the bill is to be defended in committee Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part
of Fred’s strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with
Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am
completely OK following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be fragile and it’s
best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the
greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology
with glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I think he’s a loose cannon.
However , Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill
passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 11:18 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good
for you but not for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions and
surgeries in the process. Am I understanding that correctly?
James

Dear James & Andre
I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key
witness long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Maybe so but that change everything problematic that I just correctly pointed
out.
Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying

that this is medically necessary under the guise of gender.

James,
FYI: The FOUNDER of TGA - Scott - who is in THE EMAIL CHAIN - is one of
Fred’s key witnesses...
MC
Sent from my iPhone
Dr. Cretella,
I was recruited heavily by the Transsexual Global Alliance and I've

largely ignored them.
There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the

medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch:
they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the
opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even
worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals
that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual
So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy,
because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex
is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's
part of our fight, in fact.
Walt Heyer is proof that no matter how far you've gone medically, you
can still turn back.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and
denounce gender ideology, please don't endorse or indulge these
persons.
Or contribute to the Blaire White types profiteering from this type

of behavior.
James

Scott is right. Having more trans adults come forward would be a
game changer.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 19, 2020, at 9:51 AM, Scott Newgent

<scottnewgent@gmail.com> wrote:
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us

lose sight to the children we are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically

transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few,
but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no
child should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they
were doing this to kids and I was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on

this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans
adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out
and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this

bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting
point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this,
this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie
Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
“The time to act is now,” the ACLU of South Dakota tweeted. It followed with a long list of
legislator’s home and office numbers."
https://foxwilmington.com/headlines/south-dakota-legislators-facing-backlash-over-bill-
criminalizing-underage-gender-treatments/
Primary opposition is economic, more than medical:

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-economic-
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/19/2020 2:52:29 PM
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Deutsch Fred" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Jamie,
I and Michael Laidlaw spent an entire day in Sacramento with Jackie/Rene and had several/many e-mail exchanges with
him. He testified that day along with Michael (admittedly, I was there in case something dropped and I needed to
fill in). Also, he was shopping for prices on detransing surgeries, waiting on Medicare to kick in, and seemed to be
considering the timing to detrans. He’s got rough edges O plenty and admits it. He mostly lives in Viet Nam these
days, which is no place to engage elective surgeries. Yes, he’ surely a work in progress. I don’t know Scott —
though I suspect diagnostic items about Scott — so I cannot compare them.
I think the elitism and emotional lability of the way trans activists reflects narcissism, narcissistic wounding,
emotional immaturity, adverse childhood events, and so forth. All here know the studies showing enormous rates of
personality disorders, most likely narcissistic, and Zucker and Blanchard don’t seem shy about saying that either.
But, we can’t fix personality disorders for someone else.
I’m reading in Proverbs these days and there are repeated verses about holding one’s tongue, not engaging the
foolish, and so forth, so for this SD battle and likely the one’s in Texas and Georgia, I’ll be focusing on holding
my tongue while simply maintaining certain lines without dismissing people. Narcissists who don’t get their way but
are not dismissed outright have a tendency of moving on when they see they simply won’t get to be the prima donna of
the opera.
Andre
Michelle,
I, in turn, apologize for probably coming off as heavy-handed in this discussion but I've done so because I believe it's vital we recognize a big problem and work to alleviate it
before it sinks the ship. The ACLU is literally loading the printers and scouting for frontmen attorneys in these states as we speak.
Rene Jax is another Scott.
Watch this clip at the time mark I'm posting it at.
https://youtu.be/-pxxBQm114k?t=1241
Just like Scott, Jax isn't willing like Walt Heyer to reclaim his birth sex: a sign of a true ally. Instead Jax claims to be the "real deal" that I warned about when calling out Scott.
These folks have an elitist mentality among transsexuals. Everyone else isn't legit for some reason or other, but they are the "true transsexuals" that benefit from transition
because they really are the opposite sex.
James
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 03:15:15 PM EST, drmcretella@gmail.com <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Sincerely,
Michelle
Sent from my iPhone
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions don't have
anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of transgender adults supporting us because they understand the severity of medical
transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than 100% healthy bodies and decide to put
themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives.
Here's how this should be addressed. Even if you can somehow justify the "trans" medical treatments for consenting adults, it's medical malpractice to indulge the
delusion that the person has a gender identity and "affirm" that false identity in your words and actions.
I wrested with: Do I want to say it behind Scott's back or in her face?" Am I correct that Scott is an FTM? And I decided if I wasn't willing to say it in Scott's face, I
shouldn't say it at all.
Again, the ACLU and the AMA are gonna testify that building Scott at a young age is better and healthier, spares the surgeries and produces a better cosmetic
product.
James
BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of entire team when the bill is to be defended in committee
Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy with Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
>
>
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK following the lead and rules he establishes. Alliances can be
fragile and it’s best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids. Again, I
think he’s a loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
>
> The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not for them to become you and avoid all the corrective actions
and surgeries in the process. Am I understanding that correctly?
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott
away!!!!!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>> MC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Cretella,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play
make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as the real deal, the true
transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were born in the wrong body.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely
to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace,
but no child should go through this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just
are scared of coming out and saying it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please
understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-
economic-development/4503457002/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 1/19/2020 3:35:24 PM
Cc:
Ah, there I can help. He advises business/corporations on security. Former investigator in San Fran. Cost of living
is very low in Viet Nam compared to US, and so he is not in the squeeze Hacsi is in financially. Plans to move to
the Malay border with Singapore. Thus all the conveniences of Singapore are proximal while the cost is minimal.
Also, as you likely noticed, he is rather doomy and gloomy that the USA is not just in decline but going down. Thus
the “move to a farm and raise pigs” bit he repeats for how people can guard their kids against the trans movement.
Andre
Andre,
On a side note, you can imagine what my thoughts are in regard to why someone like Jax would be in a place like Vietnam? AKA, sex tourism countries.
James
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 05:52:34 PM EST, Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com> wrote:
Jamie,
I and Michael Laidlaw spent an entire day in Sacramento with Jackie/Rene and had several/many e-mail exchanges with him. He testified that day along with Michael (admittedly, I was there in case something
dropped and I needed to fill in). Also, he was shopping for prices on detransing surgeries, waiting on Medicare to kick in, and seemed to be considering the timing to detrans. He’s got rough edges O plenty and
admits it. He mostly lives in Viet Nam these days, which is no place to engage elective surgeries. Yes, he’ surely a work in progress. I don’t know Scott — though I suspect diagnostic items about Scott — so
I cannot compare them.
I think the elitism and emotional lability of the way trans activists reflects narcissism, narcissistic wounding, emotional immaturity, adverse childhood events, and so forth. All here know the studies showing
enormous rates of personality disorders, most likely narcissistic, and Zucker and Blanchard don’t seem shy about saying that either. But, we can’t fix personality disorders for someone else.
I’m reading in Proverbs these days and there are repeated verses about holding one’s tongue, not engaging the foolish, and so forth, so for this SD battle and likely the one’s in Texas and Georgia, I’ll be
focusing on holding my tongue while simply maintaining certain lines without dismissing people. Narcissists who don’t get their way but are not dismissed outright have a tendency of moving on when they see
they simply won’t get to be the prima donna of the opera.
Andre
Michelle,
I, in turn, apologize for probably coming off as heavy-handed in this discussion but I've done so because I believe it's vital we recognize a big problem and work to
alleviate it before it sinks the ship. The ACLU is literally loading the printers and scouting for frontmen attorneys in these states as we speak.
Rene Jax is another Scott.
Watch this clip at the time mark I'm posting it at.
https://youtu.be/-pxxBQm114k?t=1241
Just like Scott, Jax isn't willing like Walt Heyer to reclaim his birth sex: a sign of a true ally. Instead Jax claims to be the "real deal" that I warned about when calling
out Scott. These folks have an elitist mentality among transsexuals. Everyone else isn't legit for some reason or other, but they are the "true transsexuals" that benefit
from transition because they really are the opposite sex.
James
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 03:15:15 PM EST, drmcretella@gmail.com <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:
James,
Sincerely,
Michelle
Sent from my iPhone
"Listen, some adults need to transition to find peace in their lives. I, we understand that we have a transgender person on our panel. Our opinions
don't have anything to do with being against the transgender community. We have dozens of transgender adults supporting us because they understand
the severity of medical transitioning. What we are saying is that NO ONE has the right to chose to be locked into the medical system, have less than
100% healthy bodies and decide to put themselves there for life than an adult about their own lives.
Here's how this should be addressed. Even if you can somehow justify the "trans" medical treatments for consenting adults, it's medical malpractice to
indulge the delusion that the person has a gender identity and "affirm" that false identity in your words and actions.
I wrested with: Do I want to say it behind Scott's back or in her face?" Am I correct that Scott is an FTM? And I decided if I wasn't willing to say it in
Scott's face, I shouldn't say it at all.
Again, the ACLU and the AMA are gonna testify that building Scott at a young age is better and healthier, spares the surgeries and produces a better
cosmetic product.
James
BUT you both made comments to ENTIRE email string - it is not wise to essentially “dis” Scott in front of entire team when the bill is to be defended in
committee Wednesday with Scott’s testimony as part of Fred’s strategy. Better to have shot me down with Scott out of the string and debated strategy
with Fred alone.
Sent from my iPhone
>
>
Fred and Michelle,
I understand. Fred has far and away done the heavy lifting on this fantastic project. I am completely OK following the lead and rules he establishes.
Alliances can be fragile and it’s best that, as this bill goes, we stick to the small scope program in order to establish the greater goal.
As an aside, we have already seen Scott several times pigeonhole this bill into trans ideology with glowing Pro trans language, aside from GAT in kids.
Again, I think he’s a loose cannon. However , Fred, you know him better than anyone and I trust your judgment in getting this bill passed into law.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
>
> The cross examination is gonna look like this: so what you're saying is this was good for you but not for them to become you and avoid all the
corrective actions and surgeries in the process. Am I understanding that correctly?
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago - now is not the time to jeopardize it and
drive Scott away!!!!!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James,
>>>> MC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Cretella,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no shortage of transsexuals willing to denounce the medicalization of children, but their endorsements come with a hitch: they expect
everyone to play make believe that they really are the opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch
themselves as the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual paraphilias and fetishes, while they were
born in the wrong body.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I encourage all of you to not buy into this Trojan Horse ploy, because the actions of these folks "identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing
immensely to the harm being done to females. It's part of our fight, in fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to
find peace, but no child should go through this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I
do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids.
Please understand this, this will not end well if this doesnt pass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-
threatens-economic-development/4503457002/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fred
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Sent: 1/19/2020 10:55:57 AM
To: "jamie.shupe@yahoo.com" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
Cc:
Dear James & Andre
I understand what you are saying and agree BUT Fred established Scott’s role as a key witness long ago - now is not
the time to jeopardize it and drive Scott away!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone
Walt Heyer and ex-transsexuals should be witnesses, not persons testifying that this is medically necessary
under the guise of gender.

James,
MC
Sent from my iPhone
Dr. Cretella,
endorsements come with a hitch: they expect everyone to play make believe that they really are the
opposite sex and have compelled pronouns and all that garbage. Even worse, they pitch themselves as
the real deal, the true transsexuals that had to transition. People like me they claim have sexual
"identifying" as the opposite sex is contributing immensely to the harm being done to females. It's
part of our fight, in fact.
So unless they've taken formal steps to reclaim their birth sex and denounce gender ideology, please
don't endorse or indulge these persons.
James

Sent from my iPhone
I keep saying this, but I want to make sure that NONE of us lose sight to the children we
are saving.
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a
child. Some, very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child
should go through this.
8 months ago was the first time I was made aware that they were doing this to kids and I
was appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to
have to trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out
and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and
it will be the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will
not end well if this doesnt pass.
Scott
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020, 10:15 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/17/2019 2:40:59 PM
Cc: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>,
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz"
Subject: Re: update
Thanks for the update, Fred. And thanks for all the sweat equity you are investing for the kids of South Dakota, the
nation, and beyond.
Andre
> On Aug 17, 2019, at 3:25 PM, Fred Deutsch wrote:

>
>
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/17/2019 3:02:31 PM
Cc: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>,
Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Deutsch Fred" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Jamie,
Despite the fact that it has been through a bank of constitutional attorneys multiple time, the phrase has caused me
hesitation from the start and still does.
We cannot say biological sex, as that fuels the other side to say, â€œsee, they know there are other sexes.â€
Maybe:
â€œattempting to change the childâ€™s acceptance of their natal sex or to affirm the childâ€™s perception if other
than their natal sexâ€
But then itâ€™s sort of a mess.
Andre
Rep Deutsch,
This bill is now nice and streamlined, but I feel this line is particularly worrisome and open to potential abuse: â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of
their sex"
I really think you need to add the word "biological" or even "biological birth sex" to this. Otherwise, they're going to possibly twist this around and claim the child's distorted
perception is the correct one. After all, sex is used in lieu of gender these days on many government documents and nearly all current lawsuits state gender identity is the
determining factor of a person's sex.
Is this just me, or is anyone else seeing this potential problem too?
Thanks!
James Shupe
Fred
From: Jon Uhler
Sent: 8/17/2019 4:15:39 PM
To: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck"
<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "'Jon Hansen'" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William
Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>,
"Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>,
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>,
"pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc:
Subject: Re: update

I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far has a clue about what’s happening with
transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state and the governor experienced political and
economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any different.
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/17/2019 6:19:28 PM
To: "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Lee
Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "'Jon Hansen'"
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
Cc:
Subject: RE: update
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.
Donâ€™t you think that covers it? - Fred

To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; 'Jon Hansen'
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt
Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle
Subject: Re: update
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a clue about whatâ€™s happening
with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
Sent: 8/18/2019 3:08:47 PM
Cc: "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Lee
Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>,
<RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk"
<michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Fred Deutsch"
Subject: Re: update
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex
organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests
blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex"
implies sex can change before or after birth ...
My opinion is to cover your bases in the mentioned line as well. I think that sentence is too ambiguous and should get reworded.
It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female?
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous
hormone profiles.

<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far has a clue about what’s happening with
transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/18/2019 3:38:43 PM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>,
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>,
"Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological
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IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based
on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and
requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or
birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ...
It says: â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female?
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and
endogenous hormone profiles.

<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>;
Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>;
Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/18/2019 3:41:17 PM
"Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad
idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common
sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based
on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and
requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or

Subject: Re: update
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/18/2019 4:28:45 PM
To: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: update
The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as â€œthe biological state of being female or male.â€
So letâ€™s say we have a teenage girl:
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) that affirm her perception of being a boy.
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) that change her perception of being a boy. (Iâ€™m not sure this is applicable.
Thoughts?)
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) that affirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is
congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) that change her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is
congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael
Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>;
Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging.
Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous
hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ...

Subject: Re: update
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/18/2019 5:13:31 PM
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>,
"VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>,
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception
of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified
non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what
the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so
long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre

b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (Iâ€™m not sure this is
applicable. Thoughts?)
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would
mean there is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>;
Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard
Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>;
michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left
hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and
endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.

<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine
Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch
Subject: Re: update

Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a
clue about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state and the
governor experienced political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any different.
Fred
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/18/2019 5:24:52 PM
Cc: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>,
"VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Laidlaw Michael"
Subject: RE: update
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find candidates seeking
election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators weâ€™re serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little
bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck
<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in trauma victims,
but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we
were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (Iâ€™m not sure this is
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>;
Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard
Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>;
michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left
hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and
endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.

<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine
Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch
Subject: Re: update
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a
clue about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
Sent: 8/18/2019 5:30:31 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael"
Subject: Re: update
Amen
Sent from my iPhone
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find candidates
seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators weâ€™re serious, and it amplifies our
credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in
trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual legislators will think.
Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre

The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as â€œthe biological state of being female or
male.â€
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (Iâ€™m not
sure this is applicable. Thoughts?)

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck
<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort
anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes,
and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs,
chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.

To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>;
'Jon Hansen' <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>;
Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
Subject: Re: update
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with
so far has a clue about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Despite the generally positive response, I have no doubt this will be an uphill battle when we get to session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state
and the governor experienced political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any different.
Fred
Sent: 8/19/2019 5:01:31 AM
To: "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>,
"William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>,
Subject: Re: update
Fred, thank you for your tireless work! I'd like to suggest clarifying this sentence by adding the word "incorrect"
-- “...attempting to change or affirm the child’s incorrect perception of their sex.” Otherwise, professionals who
use the proper pronouns for children who have a correct perception of their sex would be in violation. ~KC

Amen
Sent from my iPhone
That’s why I’m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time
to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find candidates seeking election that
hit the road, but it’s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It
shows the legislators we’re serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>;
Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>;
Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>;
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to
perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but
you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. It’s just that if we are a bit confused and have
misgivings, one wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were
dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre
The key to the entire bill is the language “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of
their sex,” with sex defined as “the biological state of being female or male.”

a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB &
cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a boy.
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB &
cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (I’m not sure this is
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB &
cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there
is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB &
cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there
is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>;
VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>;
Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>;
Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net;
Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the “the biological state…” quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get
confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left
hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to
be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being
female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social
sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after birth ...
On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 10:29 PM James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It says: “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their sex." So if a male child's perception of their sex is female?
Read the definition of sex in the bill: "Sex," the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs,
chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.

<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; 'Jon Hansen' <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>;
Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
Subject: Re: update
I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far
has a clue about what’s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
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To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler"
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen"
"Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>
Bcc:
Subject: Re: update
An example:
James
of majority.
Monique
Fred
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue — this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because of
what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of “child” that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can simply
Vernadette
Phone: 770-448-4525
I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far has a clue about
what’s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/19/2019 5:48:14 AM
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Cretella Michelle"
<drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
Subject: Re: update
Fred,
The phrase â€œincorrect perception of their sexâ€ grounds the bill in the material, the biological, physical
reality, which makes it far easier to defend against the â€œwho are you to say?â€œ people.
Andre
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All, what do you think about KCâ€™s suggest to add incorrect to the sentence: â€œ...attempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s incorrect perception of their sex.â€
I like the idea â€“ I think it helps to further narrow the bill and avoids causing problems with other medical conditions. But does adding the word cause addâ€™l problems? The other side will
certainly argue â€œwho are you to say whatâ€™s an incorrect perception?â€ The answer, of course, is if perception varies from reality, than it is an incorrect perception (the billâ€™s definition of
sex is reality). That said, the process is political. Does the change cast doubt in the mind of legislators about who is to say whatâ€™s an incorrect perception? - Fred
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone
<malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris
Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
Fred, thank you for your tireless work! I'd like to suggest clarifying this sentence by adding the word "incorrect" -- â€œ...attempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s incorrect perception of their
sex.â€ Otherwise, professionals who use the proper pronouns for children who have a correct perception of their sex would be in violation. ~KC

Amen
Sent from my iPhone

Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you
find candidates seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators weâ€™re
serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee
Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such
surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual
legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre

The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as â€œthe biological state of
being female or male.â€
a. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a
boy.
b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a
boy. (Iâ€™m not sure this is applicable. Thoughts?)
girl. (This scenario would mean there is congruity between body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).

<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to
distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers &
estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after
birth ...

Subject: Re: update

Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator
Iâ€™ve spoken with so far has a clue about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
different.
Fred
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Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
<Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
Subject: Re: update
Jamieâ€™s new version does seem explicit to me despite my previous objection to adding biological.
I also think â€œincorrect perceptionâ€ as KC suggested works well.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:51 AM, James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still in favor of Andre's version, with just a change to biological instead of natal, because it tackles both meanings very explicitly.
Proposed: "attempting to change the childâ€™s acceptance of their biological sex or to affirm the childâ€™s perception if other than their biological sex.â€
Andre's original: "attempting to change the childâ€™s acceptance of their natal sex or to affirm the childâ€™s perception if other than their natal sex.â€
I had my wife, who largely stays out of the trans issues, read the paragraph last night and she was confused by the language in the sentence we've been debating, so there's
definitely a problem with it.
I like the idea â€“ I think it helps to further narrow the bill and avoids causing problems with other medical conditions. But does adding the word cause addâ€™l problems? The other side will certainly argue
â€œwho are you to say whatâ€™s an incorrect perception?â€ The answer, of course, is if perception varies from reality, than it is an incorrect perception (the billâ€™s definition of sex is reality). That said, the
process is political. Does the change cast doubt in the mind of legislators about who is to say whatâ€™s an incorrect perception? - Fred

Subject: Re: update
Fred, thank you for your tireless work! I'd like to suggest clarifying this sentence by adding the word "incorrect" -- â€œ...attempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s incorrect perception of their sex.â€
Otherwise, professionals who use the proper pronouns for children who have a correct perception of their sex would be in violation. ~KC

Amen
Sent from my iPhone
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find
candidates seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators weâ€™re serious, and it
amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in
trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual legislators will think.
Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre
The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as â€œthe biological state of being female
or male.â€

b. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB & cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy.
(Iâ€™m not sure this is applicable. Thoughts?)

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<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort
anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests
blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.

Subject: Re: update
different.
Fred
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Sent: 8/19/2019 6:42:56 AM
To: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Shupe Jamie"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>,
"Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net"
Subject: RE: update
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â€œincorrectâ€ draws more flys â€“ because of its judgmental nature (Iâ€™m ok with being judgmental â€“ others not so much) â€“ is there something thatâ€™s more objective â€“ worth figuring that out
Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com

Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler
Subject: Re: update
Fred,
The phrase â€œincorrect perception of their sexâ€ grounds the bill in the material, the biological, physical reality, which makes it far easier to defend against the â€œwho are you to say?â€œ people.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
Subject: Re: update

Amen
Sent from my iPhone
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you
find candidates seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the legislators weâ€™re
serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee
Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such
surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one wonders what the actual
legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre

The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as â€œthe biological state of
being female or male.â€
boy.

<lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary
McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to
distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers &
estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies sex can change before or after
birth ...

Subject: Re: update
different.
Fred
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Attachment:
From: Mary E. McAlister
Sent: 8/19/2019 6:45:54 AM
To: "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
"Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
Subject: RE: update
Attachments: D35588EBE8EB41AAB231C986E8DC0FB7[4237602].jpg

P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873

Subject: RE: update
Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com

Subject: Re: update
Fred,
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

Subject: Re: update

Amen
Sent from my iPhone
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good
politics. Mostly you find candidates seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It
shows the legislators weâ€™re serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>;
Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the
need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings,
one wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a
condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre

The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as
â€œthe biological state of being female or male.â€
boy.

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard
Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that
the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from
opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or
male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy
who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies
sex can change before or after birth ...
It says: â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex." So if a male child's
perception of their sex is female?

Subject: Re: update

different.
Fred
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Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 6:50:39 AM
To: "Mary E. McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>
"Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
Subject: RE: update
Dissonant is not a word I typically use, so Iâ€™ll throw it out to the group. Does dissonant work? - Fred
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>; Heyer Walt
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: RE: update

P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873

Subject: RE: update
Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com

Subject: Re: update
Fred,
Andre
Sent from my iPhone

Subject: Re: update
Amen
Sent from my iPhone
Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to think about the bill. The trips are also good
politics. Mostly you find candidates seeking election that hit the road, but itâ€™s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It
shows the legislators weâ€™re serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred

Cc: Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Shupe Jamie <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Laidlaw Michael <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Mast Richard <RMast@lc.org>;
Heyer Walt <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Sharp Matt <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave
Subject: Re: update
Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the
need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. Itâ€™s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings,
one wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer version for so long that now seeing such a
condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
Andre
The key to the entire bill is the language â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex,â€ with sex defined as
â€œthe biological state of being female or male.â€

boy.

Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; VBroyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard
Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
Subject: Re: update
Perhaps the â€œthe biological stateâ€¦â€ quote can be repeated at that juncture where things get confusing? Bad idea? I have every faith that
the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from
opponents will prove to be disappointing.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
IMO, as Fred pointed out earlier, the definition of sex in the bill as " the biological state of being female or
male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy
who perceives himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
"Biological sex" is redundant and may be used to imply there are other sexes like a social sex; "natal or birth sex" implies
sex can change before or after birth ...
It says: â€œattempting to change or affirm the childâ€™s perception of their sex." So if a male child's

Subject: Re: update
different.
Fred
--
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 7:25:21 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Mary E. McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>,
"Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler"
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: update
Incorrect perception helps to clarify, but it is somewhat in-your-face. Synonyms include: wrong, mistaken, in error,
erroneous, inaccurate, not accurate, inexact, not exact, imprecise, invalid, untrue, false, fallacious, wide of the
mark, off target; misleading, illogical, unsound, unfounded, without foundation, faulty, flawed; informal, off beam,
out, way out, full of holes, iffy; archaic. I'm not crazy about any of them.
Fred
-----Original Message-----
From: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)
To: Mary E. McAlister ; Lee Schoenbeck ; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch
Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Cretella Michelle ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ; Laidlaw Michael ; Jon Hansen ; William Malone ;
Mast Richard ; Heyer Walt ; Sharp Matt ; Chris Motz ; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
Subject: Re: update
I'm not feeling dissonant. Our theme is these children are being/have been misled into believing this:
Definition of misguided
: led or prompted by wrong or inappropriate motives or ideals
well-meaning but misguided do-gooders
On Monday, August 19, 2019, 10:50:42 AM EDT, Fred Deutsch wrote:

From: Mary E. McAlister

To: Lee Schoenbeck ; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch
Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Cretella Michelle ; Shupe Jamie ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ; Laidlaw Michael ; Jon Hansen ;
William Malone ; Mast Richard ; Heyer Walt ; Sharp Matt ; Chris Motz ; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
Subject: RE: update
P.O. Box 637
Monroe, VA 24574
Phone: 434-610-0873

Cc: Kelsey Coalition; Cretella Michelle; Shupe Jamie; Jon Uhler; VBroyles; Laidlaw Michael; Jon Hansen; William
Malone; Mary McAlister; Mast Richard; Heyer Walt; Sharp Matt; Chris Motz; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk;
Subject: RE: update
“incorrect” draws more flys – because of its judgmental nature (I’m ok with being judgmental – others not so much) –
is there something that’s more objective – worth figuring that out
Schoenbeck Law, PC
PO Box 1325
Redlin Art Center
Watertown, SD 57201
Office: (605)886-0010
Fax: (605)886-0011
schoenbecklaw.com

To: Fred Deutsch
Cc: Kelsey Coalition ; Lee Schoenbeck ; Cretella Michelle ; Shupe Jamie ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ; Laidlaw Michael ;
Jon Hansen ; William Malone ; Mary McAlister ; Mast Richard ; Heyer Walt ; Sharp Matt ; Chris Motz ;
Subject: Re: update
Fred,
The phrase “incorrect perception of their sex” grounds the bill in the material, the biological, physical reality,
which makes it far easier to defend against the “who are you to say?“ people.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Fred Deutsch wrote:
>
>
> All, what do you think about KC’s suggest to add incorrect to the sentence: “...attempting to change or affirm the
child’s incorrect perception of their sex.”
>
>
>
> I like the idea – I think it helps to further narrow the bill and avoids causing problems with other medical
conditions. But does adding the word cause add’l problems? The other side will certainly argue “who are you to say
what’s an incorrect perception?” The answer, of course, is if perception varies from reality, than it is an
incorrect perception (the bill’s definition of sex is reality). That said, the process is political. Does the change
cast doubt in the mind of legislators about who is to say what’s an incorrect perception? - Fred
>
>
>
> From: Kelsey Coalition
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 8:02 AM
> To: Lee Schoenbeck
> Cc: Fred Deutsch ; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Cretella Michelle ; Shupe Jamie ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ;
Laidlaw Michael ; Jon Hansen ; William Malone ; Mary McAlister ; Mast Richard ; Heyer Walt ; Sharp Matt ; Chris Motz
; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: update
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> Fred, thank you for your tireless work! I'd like to suggest clarifying this sentence by adding the word
"incorrect" -- “...attempting to change or affirm the child’s incorrect perception of their sex.” Otherwise,
professionals who use the proper pronouns for children who have a correct perception of their sex would be in
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>>> That’s why I’m making road trips to visit with individual legislators, Andre. This will give them ample time to
think about the bill. The trips are also good politics. Mostly you find candidates seeking election that hit the
road, but it’s relatively unheard of to expend time and money to attempt to pass a single bill. It shows the
legislators we’re serious, and it amplifies our credibility. And every little bit helps! - Fred
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>>> From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 8:14 PM
>>> To: Fred Deutsch
>>> Cc: Cretella Michelle ; Shupe Jamie ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ; Lee Schoenbeck ; Laidlaw Michael ; Jon Hansen ;
William Malone ; Mary McAlister ; Mast Richard ; Heyer Walt ; Sharp Matt ; Chris Motz ; Katherine Cave ;
>>> Subject: Re: update
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>>> Understood, and I know exceptionally good attorneys have gone over and over this. It is very specific to
perception of sex, which is good. I also wondered about the need for such surgeries in trauma victims, but you also
specified non-diseased, so that would seem ok. It’s just that if we are a bit confused and have misgivings, one
wonders what the actual legislators will think. Perhaps part of the problem is we were dealing with the longer
version for so long that now seeing such a condensed bill seems a touch bewildering.
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>>>> The key to the entire bill is the language “attempting to change or affirm the child’s perception of their
sex,” with sex defined as “the biological state of being female or male.”
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>>>> 1. Doctors cannot perform any of the restricted surgical procedures or give restricted meds (PB &
cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a boy.
cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a boy. (I’m not sure this is applicable. Thoughts?)
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cross-sex hormones) thataffirm her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is congruity between
body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
cross-sex hormones) thatchange her perception of being a girl. (This scenario would mean there is congruity between
body and mind. Bill is probably not applicable).
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>>>> From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:41 PM
>>>> To: Michelle Cretella
>>>> Cc: James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) ; Jon Uhler ; VBroyles ; Lee Schoenbeck ; Michael Laidlaw ; Jon Hansen ;
William Malone ; Mary McAlister ; Richard Mast ; Walt Heyer ; Matt Sharp ; Chris Motz ; Katherine Cave ;
michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch
>>>> Subject: Re: update
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idea? I have every faith that the other side will try to distort anything that is left hanging. Counting on common
sense, Fairplay, and responsible readership from opponents will prove to be disappointing.
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or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles" - covers all bases. A boy who perceives
himself as a girl and requests blockers & estrogen will be denied under this bill.
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>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 7:16 PM
>>>>>> To: VBroyles ; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Lee Schoenbeck ; Michael Laidlaw ; 'Jon Hansen' ; William
Malone ; Mary McAlister ; Richard Mast ; Walt Heyer ; Matt Sharp ; James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe) ; Chris Motz ;
Katherine Cave ; Michelle Cretella ; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk; pamosa27@comcast.net; Fred Deutsch
Subject: Re: update
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>>>>>> I’ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but
mostly positive. Not a single legislator I’ve spoken with so far has a clue about what’s happening with transgender
advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
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session. The last time I introduced a transgender-related bill in 2016, the state and the governor experienced
political and economic pressures including boycott threats from around the country. I doubt this time will be any
different.
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South Dakota team.
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 10:43:12 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael"
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk"
<michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>, "pamosa27@comcast.net" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: update
What do you think of the following language in red as a solution? Remember, the bill defines Sex as the "the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone
profiles.â€
19 chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.
Except as provided in section 3 of this Act, any mental healthcare professional, or any physician, surgeon, physician assistant, nurse, clinical nurse specialist, nurse practitioner, anesthetist, or medical assistant licensed
under Title 36 who engages in any of the following practices upon a child, or who causes them to be performed, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the child's perception of their sex, if said perception is
inconsistent with the child's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:
1. Performing surgeries that sterilize, including castration, vasectomy, hysterectomy, oophorectomy, metoidioplasty, orchiectomy, penectomy, phalloplasty, and vaginoplasty;
2. Performing a mastectomy;
3. Administering or supplying the following medications to induce transient or permanent infertility:
a. Puberty-blocking medication to stop or delay normal puberty;
b. Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone to females; or
c. Supraphysiologic doses of estrogen to males; or
4. Removing any otherwise healthy or non-diseased body part.
Sent: 8/19/2019 11:05:29 AM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee
Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
Subject: Re: update
I like it.
Sent from my iPhone
What do you think of the following language in red as a solution? Remember, the bill defines Sex as the "the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous
hormone profiles.â€
Except as provided in section 3 of this Act, any mental healthcare professional, or any physician, surgeon, physician assistant, nurse, clinical nurse specialist, nurse practitioner, anesthetist, or medical
assistant licensed under Title 36 who engages in any of the following practices upon a child, or who causes them to be performed, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the child's perception of
their sex, if said perception is inconsistent with the child's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/19/2019 11:07:32 AM
To: "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Kelsey Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol"
<95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael"
"Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk"
Subject: RE: update
If we include the language in red, I believe we eliminate all the potential side effects such as gynecomastia surgery for a boy or a teenage girl taking birth control pills.
Except as provided in section 3 of this Act, any mental healthcare professional, or any physician, surgeon, physician assistant, nurse, clinical nurse specialist, nurse practitioner, anesthetist, or medical assistant licensed
under Title 36 who engages in any of the following practices upon a child, or who causes them to be performed, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the child's perception of their sex, if said perception is
inconsistent with the child's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:
4. Removing any otherwise healthy or non-diseased body part
From: Andre Van Mol
Sent: 8/19/2019 11:11:08 AM
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Kelsey
Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>,
"VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Heyer Walt" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Sharp Matt"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk"
Subject: Re: update
I like it.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
From: Walt Heyer
Sent: 8/19/2019 11:15:16 AM
To: "95andrev@gmail.com" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>
Cc: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Kelsey
Coalition" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>,
"VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Laidlaw Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Mast Richard" <RMast@lc.org>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
Subject: Re: update
I like it
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 3:11 PM, Andre Van Mol

I like it.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
What do you think of the following language in red as a solution? Remember, the bill defines Sex as the "the
biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone profiles.”
Except as provided in section 3 of this Act, any mental healthcare professional, or any physician, surgeon,
physician assistant, nurse, clinical nurse specialist, nurse practitioner, anesthetist, or medical assistant
licensed under Title 36 who engages in any of the following practices upon a child, or who causes them to be
performed, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the child's perception of their sex, if said
perception is inconsistent with the child's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:
1. Performing surgeries that sterilize, including castration, vasectomy, hysterectomy, oophorectomy,

metoidioplasty, orchiectomy, penectomy, phalloplasty, and vaginoplasty;
Attachment:
From: VBroyles
Sent: 8/19/2019 11:25:26 AM
Cc: "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon
Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>,
<RMast@lc.org>, "Walt Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz"
Subject: Re: update
I like it â€” much better than â€œincorrectâ€. Now to make it air-tight, I would add: â€œas defined by Section 1
of Chapter 26-10â€ after â€œchildâ€™s sexâ€ to ensure no other definition could be understood. In the bill the
definition of sex appears right above, but I donâ€™t know how far away it would actually appear in the SD code.
Fred, is it common for SD code provisions to explicitly reference a code definition? It is in the GA Code.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Attachment:
From: VBroyles
Sent: 8/19/2019 12:01:20 PM
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>,
"Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "William Malone"
<malone.will@gmail.com>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Richard Mast" <RMast@lc.org>, "Walt
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris
Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
Subject: Re: update
Fred
Iâ€™ve read the much streamlined version and I have significant concerns about adding a definition for â€œchildâ€ at
the outset that means 15 or younger.
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple arenas by
creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer â€œchildrenâ€ (i.e., abortion, sexual
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue â€” this is
often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because of what is
being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of â€œchildâ€ that directly
plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can simply specify â€œa
child age fifteen or youngerâ€ on line 25.
Second, it would be very helpful for us to understand why the arbitrary cut off at age 16, rather than the long-
standing age of majority of 18 (which is still too young developmentally to make such decisions, but the law leaves
us no choice). Is there some other analogous situation in SD law that makes 16 a logical cut off? What specific
concerns (other than this bill is going to be hard to pass) or explanations for this cut off age are you hearing?
Itâ€™s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks â€” that by having
negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate away during the
legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support and excitement of
the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked briefly with the Ex Dir of the
Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for the fight. I said â€œyesâ€ to
the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if you start by giving away 16 and 17-year
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525

Fred
Attachment:
From: VBroyles
Sent: 8/19/2019 12:04:51 PM
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris
Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella"
Subject: Re: update
One last suggestion â€” add a definition for â€œmedical professionalâ€ in Section 1 that includes all the verbiage
on lines 23 and 24, and so can have a clean Section 2 that says: â€œany medical professional or mental healthcare
professional who engages in . . . or who causes them to be performed, for the purpose of . . ."
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Fred
From: Pamosa27
Sent: 8/19/2019 5:21:02 PM
To: "waltsbook@yahoo.com" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>
Cc: "95andrev@gmail.com" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "James Shupe (Formerly
Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Kelsey Coalition"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles"
<RMast@lc.org>, "Sharp Matt" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: update
Fred, the version in red is good, solid, and clear.
A perception may be incorrect by science and reality; but in todayâ€™s varied interpretation of language, it will be
found as paternalistic (as if my perception is correct and yours is not.)
On Aug 19, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com> wrote:
I like it
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 3:11 PM, Andre Van Mol

I like it.
Andre
Sent from my iPhone
What do you think of the following language in red as a solution? Remember, the bill defines Sex as the
"the biological state of being female or male, based on sex organs, chromosomes, and endogenous hormone
profiles.â€
Except as provided in section 3 of this Act, any mental healthcare professional, or any physician, surgeon,
physician assistant, nurse, clinical nurse specialist, nurse practitioner, anesthetist, or medical
assistant licensed under Title 36 who engages in any of the following practices upon a child, or who causes
them to be performed, for the purpose of attempting to change or affirm the child's perception of their
sex, if said perception is inconsistent with the child's sex, is guilty of a Class 4 felony:
1. Performing surgeries that sterilize, including castration, vasectomy, hysterectomy, oophorectomy,
metoidioplasty, orchiectomy, penectomy, phalloplasty, and vaginoplasty;
Attachment:
From: Pamosa27
Sent: 8/20/2019 11:35:17 AM
To: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler"
<jkuvpc@yahoo.com>, "Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Jon Hansen"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>,
"michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk" <michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: update
Fred and all, I agree with Vernadette on the definition of a child. If the age is to be defined at 15 and younger,
then what about those under the age of majority that are excluded? Vernadette is absolutely correct that this
population is just as vulnerable, albeit on a different level. They are still minors and to â€œnegotiateâ€ an age is
to compromise...which leaves older teens without a voice to speak for them. And, what about the parents and their
rights of these older teens who may not be aware of â€œtherapiesâ€ that the teen is seeking out in private?
I am witnessing firsthand an alarming increase in the rate of teens (in this age range) with suicidal attempts and
drug overdoses in the PICU. We will be leaving them to the wolves if the age for this bill is not raised to the age
of majority.
Monique
Fred
Iâ€™ve read the much streamlined version and I have significant concerns about adding a definition for
â€œchildâ€ at the outset that means 15 or younger.
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple
arenas by creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer â€œchildrenâ€ (i.e.,
abortion, sexual consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is
dangerously untrue â€” this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from
parents and adults because of what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with
a definition of â€œchildâ€ that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep
this age cut off, then you can simply specify â€œa child age fifteen or youngerâ€ on line 25.
Second, it would be very helpful for us to understand why the arbitrary cut off at age 16, rather than the
long-standing age of majority of 18 (which is still too young developmentally to make such decisions, but the
law leaves us no choice). Is there some other analogous situation in SD law that makes 16 a logical cut off?
What specific concerns (other than this bill is going to be hard to pass) or explanations for this cut off
age are you hearing?
Itâ€™s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks â€” that by
having negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate away
during the legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support
and excitement of the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked briefly
with the Ex Dir of the Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for
the fight. I said â€œyesâ€ to the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if you
start by giving away 16 and 17-year olds right from the outset, as opposed to at least holding that in the
pocket.
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Iâ€™ve begun my road trips across the state to meet with key moderate Republicans. Response has been mixed but mostly positive. Not a single legislator Iâ€™ve spoken with so far
has a clue about whatâ€™s happening with transgender advocacy nor affirmative therapy. All of this is new to them.
Fred
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/20/2019 1:12:12 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>,
"Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: update
Friends, establishing the age is a political calculation. If I believe it's feasible to increase the age after talking with legislators over the next few months, I will. You'll just have to trust me on this.
In response to Jamesâ€™ question, individuals aged 15 or younger in South Dakota are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape. South
Dakota statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16. A child petitioning for emancipation must be at least sixteen years old in SD. That's the
landscape. -- Fred

Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt
Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella
<drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: update
An example:
James

population is just as vulnerable, albeit on a different level. They are still minors and to â€œnegotiateâ€ an age is to compromise...which leaves older teens without a voice to speak for them. And, what about the parents and
their rights of these older teens who may not be aware of â€œtherapiesâ€ that the teen is seeking out in private?
of majority.
Monique
Fred
First, the other side has worked hard to lower the protections society provides to children in multiple arenas by creating the perception that pre-adults who are 16 and 17 are no longer â€œchildrenâ€ (i.e., abortion, sexual
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue â€” this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because
of what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of â€œchildâ€ that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can
simply specify â€œa child age fifteen or youngerâ€ on line 25.
Itâ€™s important to understand this. Because I fear you are now running into two different risks â€” that by having negotiating against your best judgment from the outset, you give yourself nothing to negotiate away during
the legislative process. And, that by so watering down the bill, it may fail to elicit the support and excitement of the stakeholders you need to have standing beside you to pass this bill. I talked briefly with the Ex Dir of the
Family Heritage Alliance and he asked whether this bill will be worth coming out for the fight. I said â€œyesâ€ to the earlier version. I feel less confidence he and others will agree if you start by giving away 16 and 17-year
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Fred
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/11/2020 7:36:32 AM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Vernadette Broyles"
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw"
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "McHugh
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Brooks
Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff" <jshafer@adflegal.org>,
"Keller Jonathan" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Burt Greg" <gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Laura Haynes"
<laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene" <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi"
<birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Grossman Miriam" <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Utah Bill
Thanks for the heads up. I donâ€™t know him but asked Eagle Forum to make introductions and forward him the SD bill and other material thatâ€™s been developed by those on this list. Our SD bill becomes
public late Tuesday and will heard in committee on Friday. Prayers are appreciated. - Fred

To: Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>; McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>; Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>; Gary McCaleb
<gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan <jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg <gregb@californiafamily.org>; Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax
Rene <renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Fred Deutsch
Subject: Utah Bill
Representative Deutsch,
Are you in contact with Representative Daw to make sure this gets the right language?
https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-lawmaker-proposing-ban-on-transgender-surgery-for-minors
James Shupe
On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 11:43:16 AM EDT, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique Robles MD
<gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan <jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg <gregb@californiafamily.org>; Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax Rene
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; James Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Team
city limits of Atlanta who was a trans-activist parent campaigning on this issue. Ginny stood passionately and courageously on the truth and beat her. She is a fantastic God-choice to carry this bill forward. And sheâ€™s
Am stoked for what God is doing in Georgia â€” including a stall to the trans activist agenda in Pickens County (weâ€™re on it)! And intercessors are praying. Please add us and Rep. Ginny Earhart to your prayer teams
around the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

From: Rep. Fred Deutsch (via Twitter)
Sent: 3/23/2019 12:38:26 PM
To: "Shupe" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Cc:
Subject: Rep. Fred Deutsch (@FredDeutsch) has sent you a Direct Message on Twitter!
@FredDeutsch: Drivers license is not currently an issue. Allowing transgender students to participate on the opposite biological sex’s team has been to our legislature three times and lost each time. Student privacy had been to the legislature once in 2016. It passed but was vetoed by the governor. We are also discussing making it illegal for a physician to practice affirmation therapy on minors. The challenge in getting these bills passes is too many buy into transgender ideology. Too few recognize it as a lie.
Rep. Fred Deutsch sent you a Direct Message.
Drivers license is not currently an issue. Allowing transgender students to participate on the opposite biological sex’s team has been to our legislature three times and lost
each time. Student privacy had been to the legislature once in 2016. It passed but was vetoed by the governor. We are also discussing making it illegal for a physician to
practice affirmation therapy on minors. The challenge in getting these bills passes is too many buy into transgender ideology. Too few recognize it as a lie.
Reply

Sent: 3/23/2019 12:39:39 PM
Cc:
@FredDeutsch: And yes, I did read it.
And yes, I did read it.
Reply

Sent: 3/23/2019 12:48:53 PM
Cc:
@FredDeutsch: Thank you. Legislative session won’t begin until Jan 2020. We’ll be planning until then and will be in touch.
Thank you. Legislative session won’t begin until Jan 2020. We’ll be planning until then and will be in touch.
Reply

Sent: 8/7/2019 9:16:13 PM
Cc:
@FredDeutsch: Jon Uhler, passed along conversation beteen you two. I think it would be helpful for you to share your story over the phone during committee testimony in January. Total time for our side will be 20 mons, so it will break down to 2-3 mins per speaker. Emotional, honest human stories will be important for us. I am emailing you drafts of the bill and the white paper I am usning to educate legislators.- Fred
Jon Uhler, passed along conversation beteen you two. I think it would be helpful for you to share your story over the phone during committee testimony in January. Total time for
our side will be 20 mons, so it will break down to 2-3 mins per speaker. Emotional, honest human stories will be important for us. I am emailing you drafts of the bill and the
white paper I am usning to educate legislators.- Fred
Reply

Sent: 3/23/2019 12:26:25 PM
Cc:
@FredDeutsch: Thank you for the follow. Would you be willing to testify by telephone concerning legislation to prevent opposite biological sex people from using public school showers and changing rooms? https://t.co/OqNhOzxA4Q
Thank you for the follow. Would you be willing to testify by telephone concerning legislation to prevent opposite biological sex people from using public school showers and
changing rooms? https://t.co/OqNhOzxA4Q
Reply

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To: "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: Request For A Standards Of Care Document By ACPeds
Attachments: Andrea CAGLE Plaintiff-Appellant v UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Defendant-Appellee.doc
Hello Dr. Cretella,
My best,
James Shupe


Client ID: SHUPE
Note: James: The key language is "breach of the applicable standard of care". This is a brief filed by the VA in a recent Med Mal case in Florida. It is not a perfect resource, but it does show you some of the arguments you
are likely to face from the VA when you file.
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/14/2020 1:42:20 PM
To: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael
Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Scott, Greg" <Greg.Scott@heritage.org>,
"Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Gary McCaleb" <mccgsm@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, "Natasha Chart"
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Roger Brooks" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Walt
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>,
"Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Subject: SD Bill status
I will turn in the SD bill in about an hour and a half. It will then become a public document. Of the 105 members in the legislature, we ended up with 42 co-sponsoring the bill. We head into committee hearing
on Friday with a good head of steam.
Fred
Sent: 1/10/2020 8:22:02 AM
Bcc:
All,

The legal definition of gender only listed “masculine, feminine or neuter” to establish that state law applied equally to men and women, even when masculine pronouns were used, the Tuesday opinion said.
To assume that the 1988 use of “gender” in the ethnic intimidation law encompassed transgender individuals “strains credulity” and so the law cannot be applied to Steuball’s case, Gadola wrote.
The language matters. Every time we use the words gender or gender identity we are advancing the ideology as real and legit Apologies if I come off as preaching on this one, but I'm proof
of the harm.
Blessings,
James
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From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/7/2019 10:02:49 PM
Cc:
Subject: South Dakota legislation
Attachments: Vulnerable Child Protection Act 8-1-2019.docx,South Dakota GD white paper 8-6-19-FD.docx

Sent: 1/15/2020 1:04:23 PM
To: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>
Cc: "Natasha Chart" <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Scott Newgent"
<scottnewgent@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Scott,
Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "David Pickup" <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, "Glenn Ridder" <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>,
"MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Monique Robles MD"
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Jane Robbins" <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, "Quentin Van Meter" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "Hudson, MD
Bernard" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>
Bcc:
Subject: Talking Points: The suicide Issue
Here are my suggested talking points on the suicide issue.
1. The very numerous late age gender transitions debunk the myth that "it's transition or suicide." In fact, the plaintiff in the Medicare lawsuit was 74-years-old. How you do you make it that
far and claim this is medically necessary and you'll commit suicide if you don't get it? It's a lie to force the insurance companies to pick up the tab.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/30/medicare-sex-reassignment/9789675/
2. Here's the trans woman surgeon bragging about the Medicare win.
https://marcibowers.com/blog/victory-medicare-to-cover-transgender-services/
3. The doctors tell the patients to threaten suicide.
“So what you need is, you know what? Pull a stunt. Suicide, every time, [then] they will give you what you need,” Wong said, adding that gender-dysphoric kids “learn
that. They learn it very fast.”
https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/01/doctor-advises-threatening-suicide-get-transgender-treatments-kids/
4. The media writes articles about New Zealand having a 50-year wait for surgery, but they're not killing themselves because of it. Similarly, the UK has a lengthy
backlog for treatment, again, no mass suicides.
5. The kids who do kill themselves, like this one, have extreme mental health issues. Their suicides then get used as activism.
"In the spring I was hospitalized because of the toxic environment and relationships I was experiencing, at home and at school, with my family and my peers. During this time, the inner turmoil of confusion over my identity
only escalated. I went through several identities, sometimes changing every two weeks, from pansexual to lesbian, genderqueer, bigender, and genderfluid. Finally, in the summer before 10th grade, I discovered I was
transgender."
https://ourlivesmadison.com/article/motivated-empowered/
I have 5-10 articles about the seriously mental ill ones killing themselves I can dig up.
6. The Swedish Study says they kill themselves anyway after getting surgery.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
There's a reason trans activists had my Wordpress Archive shut down. They didn't like all these types of articles being collected and ready for use.
James
On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, 03:07:56 PM EST, Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org> wrote:
Fred — You should contact the SD ACLU and ask them for the study(ies) that they base their claim that “transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a 52 percent decrease in suicidal
thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health”. One of our MD’s can then review them and provide refutation of their alleged evidence.
Vernadette


770.448.4525

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The bill, which was introduced Tuesday, would make it a felony for medical providers to treat youth consistent with evidence-based treatment protocols. HB 1057 continues the streak
of bills that would codify discrimination against transgender youth that the South Dakota Legislature has attempted to pass over the last five years.
Like all health care, health care for transgender youth is individualized and based on the needs of each particular person. This bill would take away private health care choices around
the provision of medical care consistent with prevailing medical and scientific standards. Such choices should be made between a doctor and a patient, not politicians.
“Transgender kids, like all kids, deserve a chance to experience joy, to learn in a safe environment, to get the health care that they need, and to survive into adulthood,” said Libby
Skarin, policy director for the ACLU of South Dakota. “When the government proposes laws that would stigmatize them and undermine their care, they lose those opportunities.”
By blocking medical care supported by every major medical association, including the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Medical Association, the legislature is
compromising the health of trans youth is dangerous and potentially life-threatening ways. Research shows that transgender youth whose families affirm their gender identity have a
52 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts, a 48 percent decrease in suicide attempts and significant increases in self-esteem and general health.
“Every year, South Dakota lawmakers zero in on transgender youth and every year the transgender community is hurt while meaningful problems go unaddressed,” Skarin says. “The
more we legislate solutions in search of problems, the more our communities suffer. It’s time we stop these attacks and focus on issues that matter to the people of South Dakota.
Discrimination against a marginalized group is a distraction from the state’s real needs and hurts us all.”
Decisions made during the annual sessions of the South Dakota Legislature have a deep and lasting impact on our state’s people and communities. As new laws are created and others
repealed or written, it’s important to ensure that these changes preserve and strengthen our constitutional rights.
Based in Sioux Falls, the American Civil Liberties Union of South Dakota is a non-partisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation and enhancement of civil liberties and
civil rights. The ACLU of South Dakota is part of a three-state chapter that also includes North Dakota and Wyoming. The team in South Dakota is supported by staff in those states.
The ACLU believes freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and religion, and the rights to due process, equal protection and privacy, are fundamental to a free people. In addition, the
ACLU seeks to advance constitutional protections for groups traditionally denied their rights, including people of color, women, and the LGBTQ communities. The ACLU of South
Dakota carries out its work through selective litigation, lobbying at the state and local level, and through public education and awareness of what the Bill of Rights means for the
people of South Dakota.
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Subject: Thank You for Your Article
Good morning James,
God great glory!!!
Thank you so much,

Margaret

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Date: March 19, 2020 at 3:17:11 PM CDT
To: "Dr. Fred Deutsch" <drfred@deutschclinic.com>
Cc: Julianne Young <juliannehyoung@gmail.com>, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>, Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "James Shupe
(Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, Mast
Richard <RMast@lc.org>, Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>, David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>,
McCaleb Gary <mccgsm@gmail.com>, Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, Laidlaw Michael
<mike@drlaidlaw.com>, Jane Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, Patrick Lappert <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, MD Paul Hruz PhD
<hruz_p007@att.net>, Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>, McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, Monique Robles MD <pamosa27@comcast.net>, Quentin
Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>, Brooks Roger <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>, Vernadette Broyles
<vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, Kaycee Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, "sjvick@senate.idaho.gov" <sjvick@senate.idaho.gov>
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Subject: Fwd: Idaho Vital Statistics Integrity Act - short window for comments - by Friday, January 24
Date: March 19, 2020 at 11:20:38 AM CDT
To: Quena Gonzalez <qdg@frc.org>, Peter Sprigg <pss@frc.org>, Travis Weber <tsw@frc.org>
FYI

Date: March 19, 2020 at 11:19:17 AM CDT
Cc: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, Mary McAlister
<mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, Natasha Chart <natasha.chart@gmail.com>, Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>, Steve Smith <steve@stevesmithlaw.com>,
Fred Deutsch <drfred@deutschclinic.com>, David Pickup <davidpickuplmft@gmail.com>, Eunie Smith <alaeagle@charter.net>, Gary McCaleb
<mccgsm@gmail.com>, Glenn Ridder <glenn.ridder@outlook.com>, Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, Jane
Robbins <rlrobb123@gmail.com>, Lappert Patrick <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>, Margaret Clarke
<margaretclarke317@icloud.com>, Matt Sharp <msharp@adflegal.org>, McHugh Paul <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, Monique Robles MD
<pamosa27@comcast.net>, Quentin Van Meter <kidendo@comcast.net>, Roger Brooks <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, Timothy Millea MD <TMillea@qcora.com>,
Vernadette Broyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Scott, Greg"
<Greg.Scott@heritage.org>, sjvick@senate.idaho.gov
Julianne Young

Julianne Young

business through very quickly. There are more than 50 bills ahead of us and they are talking about adjourning
mid-week next week because of the corona virus. We have the support of leadership but the Democrats will be
attempting to use the time pressure against us. Your prayers are appreciated.




Sent from my iPhone
issue.
James

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recommendation.
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representative, Janelle Winterstein. Janelle opposed the bill, suggesting that it is uncharacteristic
of the acceptance and kindness she has felt from Idahoans, including many of the more conservative
members of the state affairs committee. It seems that this testimony would be a great benefit should a
>>>>
>>>> Our strongest opposition came from the Lambda Legal Attorney who represented the plaintiffs in
F.V. v Barron (a very tall woman if you're skimming the video looking for her testimony). She
countered some of my statements which suggested that this issue has not been robustly examined based on
it's impacts on public policy and the state generally because the state conceded everything and the
arguments make (based on the West Law minutes) addressed only the interests of the agency and not the
public at large. She argued that everything I brought up had already been heard and considered by the
court and that they have already decided this issue. By passing this bill, we are placing the DHW in a
position to be found in contempt of court. This argument, coupled with the court costs may sway
moderate republicans in the House and could stop the bill in the Senate if we don't have a strong
counter-argument on the House floor. It could be up for debate on the floor as soon as next Tuesday
>>>>
https://legislature.idaho.gov/sessioninfo/2020/standingcommittees/HSTA/ . It does take awhile to open.
It was about a 2 hour hearing. There was a very short bill right before mine but it only took a couple
of minutes. Most of the file is our bill.
>>>>
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automatically reject applications to amend this category of material facts, but establishes a process
by which those applications may be reviewed and considered. This process protects the interest of the
>>>>
conflation of sex and gender identity in issuing their ruling. The conflation of these terms in the
law severely undermines the compelling interest of the state and jeopardizes the health and safety of
all Idahoans. Sex specific policies have been upheld by the courts for decades specifically because
of the material distinctions between male and female, statistically speaking. If we accept the premise
that these distinctions are irrelevant, that sex is gender identity irrespective of biological fact, we
>>>>
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recorded if any are interested in listening. We may get some ideas that will help as we head to the
Senate.
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Wednesday.
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messaging very controlled. Also, I would welcome input on plans for public testimony at the hearing.
I am working on some drafts which I will post ASAP.
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individual's naturally occurring internal and external reproductive anatomy a signed affidavit from the
parents and the physician may be submitted within 3 years or the presumptive determination may be
challenged in a court as stipulated in (4). This eliminates the potential for an open-ended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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questions which we have attempted to address in the attached draft. Their comments focused primarily
on 39-245A (4) and (5).
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status within the three years. Do we need to specify that it can be resoled in court after this? Do
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health and safety of all individuals. Then, any other evidence can be introduced in the hearing,
rather than being included in the bill. Also, I got some feedback from our vital statistics department
today which I have incorporated in the process piece of the bill (sections 4 and 5) and they suggested
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) The draft you have reviewed is silent on what happens if they do not resolve
the indeterminate status within the stipulated 3 years (section 5). We included this to prevent
certificates from being left in an unresolved status. However, kicking it to the courts after this
time could become problematic. What are the recommendations to resolve this?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The definitional erasure of biological sex significantly impacts the rights
of others and would constitute manifest injustice in undermining the implementation of many policies
which have been advanced to secure the privacy and interests of individuals specific to their
biological sex.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
conflation of sex and gender in healthcare is alarming and is poised to subject hundreds of thousands
of transgender and cisgender-identifying individuals to unintended medical harm from receiving
incorrect diagnoses and being subjected to incorrect treatments. It will also greatly impede scientific
research, not only in the area of transgender treatments, which sorely lacks quality long-term outcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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and contracts.
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definitions upon which government and others may with confidence rely constitutes a breach of the
public trust; and
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Julianne Young. They have been working on a birth certificate protection bill, to reverse a recent
court decision striking down sex-based birth certificates in Idaho. This will restore the status quo,
making Idaho one of four states that require birth certificates to reflect sex, along with Kansas,
Ohio, and Tennessee.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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medical experts).
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that to Rep. Young.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberty Counsel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PO Box 540774
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orlando, FL 32854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-1776 phone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (407) 875-0770 fax
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Sent: 8/20/2019 6:23:47 PM
To: VBroyles <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, Pamosa27 <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Fred Deutsch"
Heyer" <waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Chris Motz" <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>,
"Katherine Cave" <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Bcc:
All,
James
this.
In response to James’ question, individuals aged 15 or younger in South Dakota are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory
Cc: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; Jon Uhler <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>; Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; Jon
Hansen <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>; William Malone <malone.will@gmail.com>; Mary McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>; Richard Mast <RMast@lc.org>; Walt Heyer <waltsbook@yahoo.com>; Matt Sharp
<msharp@adflegal.org>; Chris Motz <cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>; Katherine Cave <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>; Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com>; michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: update
An example:
James
of majority.
Monique

Fred
consent, contraceptions, consent to gender treatments). Yet, all of us know this is dangerously untrue — this is often the timeframe when children need the most protection and guidance from parents and adults because of
what is being thrown at them. At minimum, I do not believe we should open with a definition of “child” that directly plays into the oppositions long-game. If indeed you want to keep this age cut off, then you can simply
Vernadette

Phone: 770-448-4525
Fred
From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 2/17/2019 4:46:38 AM
To: "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>
Cc: "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>
Bcc:
Subject: The Anti Trans Donald Trump Twitter Account
Please join me in Tweeting a new Twitter account.
Also open to suggestions for tweets?
https://twitter.com/AntiTransDonald
Thanks!
Jamie Shupe
Sent: 1/22/2020 6:52:18 PM
To: natasha.chart@gmail.com, "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "QUENTIN VAN METER"
<kidendo@comcast.net>
Cc: "Fred Deutsch" <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>, "Mary McAlister" <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>, "Michelle
Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Richard Mast" <rmast@lc.org>, "Roger Brooks"
<rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Scott, Greg" <greg.scott@heritage.org>, "Timothy Millea MD" <tmillea@qcora.com>, "Walt Heyer"
<waltsbook@yahoo.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>
Bcc:
Subject: The Butchering Of Jazz
All,
If you haven't seen it, this is an enlightening article detailing how Jazz Jennings, America's transgender darling, has now undergone multiple "gender confirmation" surgeries trying to create
a fake vagina and repairing the damage of previous surgeries.
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a30631270/jazz-jennings-surgery-complications/
Remember, child gender transitions are supposed to be a cure-all for mental health issues and gender dysphoria.
Despite claims by Dr. Norman Spack that gender transitions fix mental health problems, Jazz was raised on antidepressants.
"He has seen this over and over again in patients like Kyle: once they are able to live comfortably in their affirmed gender, their anxiety and depression — even bipolar disorder —
disappear. Spack says that even mild autism in trans kids (studies show that 10 times as many gender-variant kids than kids in the general population have autism-spectrum disorders)
may be alleviated with treatment for gender dysphoria: "Perhaps the social awkwardness and lack of peer relationships common among GID-Asperger's patients is a result of a lifetime of
feeling isolated and rejected," he wrote in a recent article in the Journal of Homosexuality; "and maybe the unusual behavior patterns are simply a coping method for dealing with the
anxiety and depression created from living in an 'alien body,' as one patient described it."
https://web.archive.org/web/20130324102716/http://thephoenix.com/Boston/life/142583-how-norman-spack-transformed-the-way-we-treat-tran/?page=8#TOPCONTENT
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dylan-gwinn/2016/06/09/tlcs-i-am-jazz-actually-makes-anti-transgender-case
Despite claims that blocking puberty nullifies the differences between males and females, Jazz didn't grow normal-looking breasts because of having a male skeleton.
https://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/i-am-jazz/videos/jazz-admits-breast-implants-would-make-her-happier-more-secure
And then because of the puberty blockers, Jazz never grew enough penile tissue to construct a fake vagina.
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a30631270/jazz-jennings-surgery-complications/
Jazz Jennings is Exhibit A for the Vulnerable Child Protection Acts now being unleashed in numerous states.
A big thanks to all of you making that happen!
Blessings,
James Shupe
From: The Kelsey Coalition (via Twitter)
Sent: 10/31/2019 6:37:14 AM
Cc:
Subject: The Kelsey Coalition (@CoalitionKelsey) has sent you a Direct Message on Twitter!
@CoalitionKelsey: https://t.co/XMdqaLSV6Z
The Kelsey Coalition sent you a Direct Message.
https://t.co/XMdqaLSV6Z
Reply

Sent: 11/8/2019 1:56:19 PM
Cc:
@CoalitionKelsey: https://t.co/F21yKShBGM
https://t.co/F21yKShBGM
Reply

Sent: 10/21/2019 6:27:03 AM
Cc:
@CoalitionKelsey: https://t.co/CN69ummUN4
https://t.co/CN69ummUN4
Reply

Sent: 4/4/2019 10:21:32 AM
To: "Clara Fox" <cfox@angelusnews.com>
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: The terrible fraud of 'transgender medicine' by Dr. Quentin Van Meter
This is a must watch.
Dr. Quentin Van Meter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtQ1geeD_c
Dr. Michael Laidlaw is the other one I mentioned.
https://twitter.com/MLaidlawMD
And
Dr. Michelle Cretella does a lot of work on this too.

From: Jamie Shupe
Sent: 11/20/2018 8:06:34 AM
Cc:
Bcc:
Subject: The terrible fraud of 'transgender medicine'
Quentin Van Meter, MD, FCP is a pediatric endocrinologist. He is a Fellow of the American College of Pediatricians and the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtQ1geeD_c
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 1/29/2020 4:25:31 AM
To: "QUENTIN VAN METER" <kidendo@comcast.net>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Laidlaw
Michael" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Paul Hruz" <hruz_p007@att.net>
Cc: "Lappert Patrick" <patrick@lappertplasticsurgery.com>, "Bernard Hudson, MD" <loyolamd82@gmail.com>, "Natasha Chart"
"Jon Hansen" <Jon.Hansen@sdlegislature.gov>
Subject: Today we go to battle in SD
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/29/2019 4:12:53 PM
To: "Mike Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "vbroyles@childparentrights.org"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "drmcretella@gmail.com" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"
<jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>, "Pamosa27" <pamosa27@comcast.net>, "Patrick Lappert"
Cc:
Subject: Transgender petition
Attachments: Gender Change Petition etc - Judge Powers case.pdf
One of our stateâ€™s local newspapers ran a legal notice today to change the name and â€œgender-markerâ€ of a minor. Since there is no statutory authority to change a gender-marker (the term is foreign to
the legislature and to me â€“ I had to Google it), a trip to the courthouse found the petition. See attached.
Of note:
• The petition asked that no public notice be given.

• The judge has already ordered a name change; he believed notice of hearing was necessary before considering the proposed "gender marker" change.
• Petitioners are pro se. But according to FB, Petitioner is an attorney. Petitioners are a divorced lesbian couple. One is biologic mom, other is adoptive parent. Biologic dad had rights terminated in
earlier adoption proceeding.
• The petition relies upon SDCL 21-37-5 which governs name changes. There is no separate authority cited for the gender change.
• This is a 13 year old child (will be 14 in two months). The childâ€™s Sioux Falls doctor plans to begin him on â€œgender confirming hormones.â€
One of the challenges in bringing a bill like we are attempting is to show legislators these problems occur in our state. Introducing this document into the hearing will help show legislators weâ€™re not just
blowing smoke. Good strategic find, I think. â€“ Fred
Attachment:
From: Fred Deutsch
Sent: 8/17/2019 2:25:28 PM
To: "VBroyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Jon Uhler" <jkuvpc@yahoo.com>,
"Lee Schoenbeck" <lee@schoenbecklaw.com>, "Michael Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "'Jon Hansen'"
<msharp@adflegal.org>, "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)" <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>, "Chris Motz"
<cmotz@sdcatholicconference.org>, "hansen.jonathon@gmail.com" <hansen.jonathon@gmail.com>, "Katherine Cave"
<kelseycoalition@gmail.com>, "Michelle Cretella" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "michael.biggs@sociology.ox.ac.uk"
Cc:
Subject: update
Attachments: Vulnerable Child Protection Act- August 11 draft.pdf
Fred
Attachment:
Sent: 1/11/2020 7:24:12 AM
To: "Vernadette Broyles" <vbroyles@childparentrights.org>, "Cretella Michelle" <drmcretella@gmail.com>, "Michael
Laidlaw" <mike@drlaidlaw.com>, "MD Paul Hruz PhD" <hruz_p007@att.net>, "Monique Robles MD" <pamosa27@comcast.net>,
"McHugh Paul" <pmchugh1@jhmi.edu>, "William Malone" <malone.will@gmail.com>, "Matt Sharp" <msharp@adflegal.org>,
"Brooks Roger" <rbrooks@adflegal.org>, "Gary McCaleb" <gmccaleb@adflegal.org>, "Shafer Jeff"
<jshafer@adflegal.org>, "Keller Jonathan" <jonathank@californiafamily.org>, "Burt Greg"
<gregb@californiafamily.org>, "Laura Haynes" <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>, "Jax Rene"
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>, "Horvath Hacsi" <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>, "Grossman Miriam"
<miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>, "Andre Van Mol" <95andrev@gmail.com>, "Fred Deutsch"
Bcc:
Subject: Utah Bill
Representative Deutsch,
Are you in contact with Representative Daw to make sure this gets the right language?
https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-lawmaker-proposing-ban-on-transgender-surgery-for-minors
James Shupe
On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 11:43:16 AM EDT, Fred Deutsch <fred.deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:
Fantastic! I believe Georgia will be the forth state to introduce the bill! – Fred Deutsch

To: Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov>; Cretella Michelle <drmcretella@gmail.com>; Michael Laidlaw <mike@drlaidlaw.com>; MD Paul Hruz PhD <hruz_p007@att.net>; Monique Robles MD
<gmccaleb@adflegal.org>; Shafer Jeff <jshafer@adflegal.org>; Keller Jonathan <jonathank@californiafamily.org>; Burt Greg <gregb@californiafamily.org>; Laura Haynes <laurahaynesphd3333@gmail.com>; Jax Rene
<renejaxiwritebooks@gmail.com>; Horvath Hacsi <birdcatcher9@yahoo.com>; Grossman Miriam <miriamgrossmanmd@hotmail.com>; Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>; James Shupe <jamie.shupe@yahoo.com>
Team
the country.
Blessings to all!
Vernadette

Suite G310
770.448.4525

Subject: GA bill

From: William J. Malone, MD (via Twitter)
Sent: 8/10/2019 11:31:23 AM
Cc:
Subject: William J. Malone, MD (@will_malone) has sent you a Direct Message on Twitter!
@will_malone: James, I want to thank you for your supportive tweets and all you’re doing on this issue.
William J. Malone, MD sent you a Direct Message.
James, I want to thank you for your supportive tweets and all you’re doing on this issue.
Reply

Sent: 1/19/2020 3:12:09 PM
Cc:
Subject: Your Bright and Shinning Comment to Scott!
Scott will not answer this. After several comments by him over the days, I decided to engage him in a discussion
around the meaning of words and have received nothing.
Your comment, wherein you place an iron bar through his persona, is correct. Frankly, I have grown weary of his
chest-beating and wished to explain to him this is not a promotion nor a chance for all to hear how grand your
situation might be. Fred is attempting to do something that may well endanger his political or physical life.
I keep my comments directed to one person and generally do not share amongst all.
BH
On Jan 19, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Bernard Hudson <loyolamd82@gmail.com> wrote:
You have said it many times and I am beginning to believe that you believe, know as a fact, that any
individual can ‘transistion’.
No one can transistion: You end up looking like a mimetic design, an ersatz, a sculptured model, faux
person. The use of terms not related to known scientific principles, allows for definition shifting; thus,
terms or words are being used that define nothing or are simply inaccurate.
Instead of medical transition, rather an attempt to do the impossible. Homo Sapiens, like all mammals, are
male and female. Male and female are not opposites, but complimentary. Again, I am not talking about
penguins in a European zoo, bees making honey, worker ants racing to the Queen, nor trapped worms providing
their own reproduction.
Even Darwin understood that nature required complimentary sexes to propagate and mix genes in mammals; he
did, however, produce no definitive science regarding evolution, he simply inferred his way into a quasi-
theory of species changing over time through natural selection.
Years ago people were referred to as ‘transsexual’, but that is impossible as well.
Everyone can have elements of masculine and feminine and some have the extremes.
John Money, a psychologist, in the 50’s separated out gender from biologic sex, destroyed the lives of two
male twins, and was fired in disgrace from Johns Hopkins; and yet his proposition lingers and ruins lives
daily.
Given the genetic and biologic genotypes and phenotypes even an adult cannot ‘transition’ nor become another
sex.
This whim or notion is false. We are male and female as humans, there is no other. You may feel you are
another sex, you may have an idea you are another sex, you may desire to be another sex- autogynephillia -but
in the end you are a male or you are a female.
In 40 years of medical practice, evaluating numerous youth and young adults, no one has ever proven they have
medically transistioned. They say they have and when provided therapy, insight to the self, they are the
same sex as when they first sat down. Wear a wig, grow a beard, castrate yourself surgically, take hormones
from another sex, dance with those high heels, believe you are because you feel you are, know you are because
you knew “when I was born,” but the human species are genetically and biochemically male and female.
Orwell stated that when people no longer spent their days working almost every hour to survive, leisure would
allow them to think and believe whatever popped into their mind. And so it has come to pass.
BH
I am the only one on this panel that has medically transitioned and it's no place for a child. Some,
very few, but some adults need to transition to find peace, but no child should go through this.
appalled.
I'm gathering more transgender adults quotes and thoughts on this and you are just going to have to
trust me..Most, trans adults feel the way I do, they just are scared of coming out and saying it.
Please dont loose hope or strength toward this goal, this bill is historic if it passes and it will be
the starting point to saving millions of kids. Please understand this, this will not end well if this
doesnt pass.
Scott
Fred

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From: "James Shupe (Formerly Jamie Shupe)"

Sent: 2/19/2020 6:47:22 PM

Looking forward to reading your letter. I'll post it in my feed afterward.

Hang in there, and thanks for sharing this.

(I'm in the red shirtt standing in back)

"C'mon boy!" they shout. "You can do it, man!"

"C'mon boy!" they shout. "You can do it, man!"

So the ACLU is giving out your home phone number, Fred?

Primary opposition is economic, more than medical: https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2020/01/17/chamber-bill-transgender-youth-threatens-economic-development/4503457002/

Hola, Team SD.

From: Mary E. McAlister <mmcalister@childparentrights.org>

How about dissonant?

Mary E. McAlister, Esq.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Lee Schoenbeck

Lee Schoenbeck, Attorney

From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

From: Kelsey Coalition <kelseycoalition@gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:30 PM Lee Schoenbeck <lee@schoenbecklaw.com> wrote:

On Aug 18, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>

On Aug 18, 2019, at 5:28 PM, Fred Deutsch <Fred.Deutsch@sdlegislature.gov> wrote:

We have to be able to explain the application.

So let’s say we have a teenage girl:

Please let me know what you think - Fred

From: Andre Van Mol <95andrev@gmail.com>

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 18, 2019, at 4:08 PM, Michelle Cretella <drmcretella@gmail.com> wrote:

Don’t you think that covers it? - Fred

Thanks for all your work.

Under His Wings,

On Monday, February 10, 2020, 09:00:15 AM EST, Margaret Clarke wrote:

Good morning James,

Thank you so much,

Margaret Clarke, General Counsel

Praying for our joint success in these endeavors for change.

Hola, Team SD.

This document might be worthwhile in the debate.

American Academy of Pediatrics and trans- kids: Fact-checking Rafferty (2018)

Let me know what you think - Fred

"Endocrine Society urges policymakers to follow science on transgender health"

So what exactly is the science?

Following the trail leads to their position statement:

So who authored the study?

"Jamie Weinand is a fourth-year med student and a trans man."

Richard L. Mast, Esq.*

From: Carter, Jason <Jason.Carter@myfloridahouse.gov>

Good Afternoon Mr. Mast,

Jason Lee Carter, Esq.

I gave your Public Discourse article about Jazz a mention.

From: Janna Farley <jfarley@aclu.org>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Jan. 15, 2020

ACLU of South Dakota opposes House Bill 1057

About the ACLU of South Dakota

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

Begin forwarded message:

This is a good link to explain the different types:

This shows who is actually certified in Pa.

That's what comes to mind for now.

From: Joshua Stoehr <irishknight01@msn.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 18:48:33 -0700