*Making a new doc haha this guide is

outdated. A link to the new one will be

posted here whenever it’s done*

PNS Guide to Hades: Wall of Text

Edition
Last Updated: *2022/08/09* (Under construction)

Table of Contents:
Introduction - Basic overview of guide and some commonly asked
questions by people interested in Hades

Common Setups - Goes over setups that you would look into
when building Hades along with example grids

Weapon Comparison Tables - Go here to see how useful a

weapon you’ve pulled or want to farm is for Hades

Intro
This guide will go over some of the options players that are interested
in going Hades can consider before investing Damascus/Gold Bricks
into it.
*Disclaimer*: A good portion of this guide consists of opinions and suggestions based
on the experiences of various primal players in this element. Although this guide hopes
to be as comprehensive and helpful as possible, at the end of the day different players
may find this game more enjoyable in different ways, or find other resources more
helpful.

*Warning*: Walls of Text

hi axel
*The formatting is kinda messy on mobile haha
 Quick Notes (8/9/22)
Noting down some changes/things to add here in the future
● Prioritize Runeslayer Burst over Luchador if you have the right pieces (update
burst section and swap around in example grids)
● Bismarck
○ Also add this to weapon table lol
● SUBHL Change
○ Qilin Nerf, replace kolulu with off ele all sub char to help move past 10%
○ Kengo (can also 10%)
● Update grids section in general
 Recent Dark Updates
July 31st 2022
New Character - Magisa (Summer)
● Provides lots of buffs and dispels
● Damage per turn wise can keep up with Dark’s other characters like Lich, Fediel,
Seox
● However, requires more button presses than previously mentioned characters
● More suited for longer fights/full auto
● Best dispeller in dark alongside Vikala (who is getting an FLB soon)
● May be stronger in future if Dark Crests become more valuable
July 7th 2022
Proving Ground 5*s and Awakenings
● Bismarck
○ 2 Special Awakening + Skill Cap Key caps out at Skill Damage Cap at
+100% (mostly used for Nighthound Time on Target setups)
○ Attack Awakening is highest raw damage in situations when you’re forced
to use a gun (Cavalier Mainhand)
● Zwei Schaedel
○ Attack Awakening is highest raw damage
○ Still only used when not running Chain of Falsehood/Echo Key, which is
commonly used in every burst setup
■ Only really worth farming if your main burst setup is Luchador with
Chain of Temptation/Freyr Key
April 28th 2022
Ennead Weapons Awakenings
● Bigeh and Edfu
○ Every Awakening can be argued for, and will generally depend on
playstyle/player preference
○ I personally prefer Defense for hard content
● Abydos
○ Attack Awakenings for highest raw damage
○ Probably still mostly used as a filler if lacking Pain and Suffering

Misc. Updates
Switch to Runeslayer being the main burst setup over Luchador
Ippatsu does not add much
Manamel can compete with the top characters, but lack utility and needs near perfect
conditions to maximize her performance (i hate it when my gf falls into a coma halfway
through the raid)
Lower priority on Masala/Curry in favor of Fallen Sword
● Q: I thought that Masala was preferred over Fallen Sword because you take
damage over the fight?
● A: This is true, but you’re generally very safe while pressing defensive skills from
Lich/Fediel (and possibly healing from them), so you actually end up losing
damage. There aren’t many situations where you can afford to skip the defensive
skills and still survive with the 40% HP cut. In situations such as Guild War
NM150/200, it’s also easier to maintain health/stamina damage with Blue
Potions.

● Q: What about Masala enabling Kolulu mashing setups with Plain Key?
● A: Masala still has the unique niche of enabling this, but the only raid this is
applicable for is Proto Bahamut HL, and it is extremely expensive/slow compared
to setups that exist in other elements. I would not recommend playing Dark to
farm Proto Bahamut HL in its current state.

For older updates, refer to the archive at the end of the document

Your time has come

 Common Questions

“Is Hades worth it? Mayhaps…”

Whether or not Hades is worth making or not is dependent on what you

are looking to achieve with going Primal. If you are just looking to clear content
and comfortably participate in guild war and farm raids then Magna is perfectly
sufficient. However if you are interested in ranking high in guild war and other
events, further increasing your flexibility in terms of characters and setups you
can use, or you just like dark as an element and want to further improve on it,
going Hades is a great way to do so.

“Should I go into Hades if I do not have ULB opus? Probably not”

Typically it isn’t recommended that you make the switch to primal before
having access to a ULB Dark Opus weapon. Because of how strong Magna Dark
is, Hades relies heavily on having weapon flexibility which is usually supported by
a ULB Dark Opus. It is possible to build Hades before this, but you may not get
the results you were looking for.

“Should I switch to Hades if I do not have Hades? No”

The current dark meta revolves around the ability to freely switch between
different support summons for their turn 1 calls and/or unique auras. Being forced
to pick Hades as your support summon will take away that flexibility so it is
generally not recommended to go Hades without your own Hades summon.

“If I go Hades can I skip grinding X raid? Probably not.”

A large majority of F2P weapons are also widely used in end game Hades.
If you are trying to go into Hades with the intention of skipping certain grinds then
you may find yourself losing out on a lot of potential flexibility and power.
 “Do I need to whale to go Hades? Not really recommended”

Although going primal requires gacha and moon weapons to properly

function, it is easy enough to acquire weapons through saving sparks, pulling
them in roulette, or purchasing a few suptixes. It is definitely easier to make
Hades by spending money but it is also very possible as a free-to-play player. As
you play, you’ll end up being able to support the grid through bars gained through
freebies, moons, tradable copies in the shop, gold brick raids, and guild war.

The current state of Hades

Many people interested in converting to Primal will look for an endgame
grid to aim for and use for the large majority of content. While this guide will
provide suggestions on how to begin progressing into Hades, what type of grid
you use and what kind of weapons you’ll want to bar is entirely dependent on the
type of content you’re looking to do at the very end. Hades is a very versatile
primal that has weapons to suit almost all scenarios in this game. As such, you’ll
often be choosing to invest in certain weapons for the specific purpose of
increasing your options for a certain kind of raid.
 Common Setups
Enmity

“Cheap and effective in both long and short raids”

Enmity is the bread and butter of dark. Compared to the usual

Celeste enmity setups, Hades enmity setups tend to have more
raw power for higher defense raids or take advantage of
increased cap up from weapons such as Scales of Dominion.
Furthermore, enmity setups can reach the damage cap with
just a single Hades aura, allowing them to take support
summons with more powerful calls such as Qilin or Shiva for
shorter raids. They also have a powerful defensive option in
Majestas, which allows them to comfortably mash in even the
hardest hitting raids in the game. Note that only 1 Gisla is
required for the popular Highlander Luchador setup. Additional
Gislas can be invested in for harder content, but it isn’t required due to the
versatility of Hades weapons.

Stamina
“High investment for high character and setup versatility”

Compared to enmity, a stamina playstyle often requires a bit

more investment to see similar results. Due to the inherent
weaker damage mod provided by stamina, these setups often require more
damage weapons for similar grid power. Most players will recommend that
you aim to get 3-4 Fallen Swords before thinking about stamina. These
setups are usually more reliant on buffs or crit for additional firepower.
However, stamina also provides flexibility in not having to rely on
characters such as Summer Zooey to deal damage early on. This makes it
very useful for players that prefer more character options, and are looking
for high damage in a minimal amount of skill presses. When used in
conjunction with characters that take minimal damage such as Vikala,
Orchid, and Seox, stamina becomes very strong in prolonged raids and full-
auto.
Burst

“The most popular and effective setups for farming

anything light to Gold Bricks”

Burst setups are very important in the current meta and are the
most common setups you’ll be running when farming manually.
The most popular burst setup in Hades, and perhaps in the
entire game is Highlander Enmity Luchador, a low-investment
setup that takes advantage of Dark’s incredible attackers,
Summer Zooey’s Conjunction, Nier, and Death summon to gain
honors very quickly at the start of the raid. This setup can be
used to farm about every light and null raid in the game,
including Akasha and Grand Order HL for Gold Bricks, and
even bursting down Dark Rapture Hard with a coordinated
group.

Pure stamina or Stamina Highlander Luchador setups can also

be used when Summer Zooey is not preferable, either due to the need of a
stronger attacker or the burst window being too short for Conjunction.
However, stamina setups lack the safety of Conjunction and usually require
more buffs or grid investment in order to hit the same honors as Enmity
Highlander.

Outside of Luchador, Dark also has very strong stamina ougi-centric setups
with the addition of Fediel Spine. These can be used to OTK EX+ raids for
Dark favored Guild War, or to burst short raids such as 30 man Ultimate
Bahamut Normal trains. Many players who have invested in Hades still use
Celeste for these types of setups due to the effectiveness and accessibility
of Abyss Spines.

Hard Content

“Stuff that you can die in”

Outside of bursting with coordinated luchador setups, raids such as Dark
Rapture (Hard) often require players to incorporate weapons into their grids
that promote survivability alongside consistent damage. In the case of
Hades, one of its most useful weapons for survivability is Majestas. Adding
garrison into your grid is a luxury that Magna grids currently do not have;
and can be seen as a big reason one might decide to build a Hades grid.

These types of raids often come with higher inherent defense values
making it more difficult to reliably reach the damage cap without strong in-
grid weapons. Because of this reason, Highlander setups will often
underperform compared to grids that opt to run multiple Gislas or Fallen
Swords. In the case of enmity, Sunya becomes a very nice consideration
as the addition of a progressing elemental mod will boost grid damage
across the board as the raid progresses.

Crit setups that incorporate Bab-el-Mandeb are also very useful provided
you are able to land crits on the enemy. For crit setups in particular it is
recommended to maintain a high crit percentage for consistent damage.
Therefore when running crit, generally you are looking at running multiple
crit weapons to reach 90-100% crit rate.

With the introduction of garrison, progression, and crit; as well as a higher

HP requirement for many raids, generally people will run Hades x Hades to
better support these grid components.

Long Fights / Full Auto

“Varies from raid to raid and focus on sustained damage”

Setups for longer fights and full autoing can vary greatly depending on the
raid and characters used. Hades has access to powerful harp mainhands
such as Unheil and Sunya, which can be used with the popular Lumberjack
class. Most of the time, stamina or crit focused setups are favored because
of their strong starting damage, and because of Summer Zooey’s
ineffectiveness in full auto. However, enmity setups with Majestas are
always an option provided that you’ll be taking enough damage from the
raid.

For these types of fights, Hades x Hades is generally run to take advantage
of stats such as health, progression, and garrison. Hades x Belial is
another option versus raids with extremely hard hitting triggers, and may
provide even more survivability despite being capped at 20k health.
 Example Grids

PNS Runeslayer Bursting

(Beelzebub/Hades x Hades)
Burst setup similar to Luchador
Chain of Falsehood/Echo Key
Stamina/Seraphic Ultima Key
Relies more on autonukers such as Fediel and Lich
Standard team is Seox, Fediel, and Lich
Ougis with MC via Splitting Spirit and Runeweaving (Fire+Water)
Stays alive and protects buffs with Lich Light swap and Fediel Shield/veil/dispel
cancel
Skeletal Eclipse outperforms Agonize on Hades x Hades, and can help push
Seox to 100% TA
45% (130 EMP) + 10% (EMPs) + 30% (Fediel Field) + 8% (Skeletal Eclipse on
Hades x Hades) x 2 = 101%
With TA Rings/Hal&Mal FLB you can achieve this even without Eclipses, or even
try to push Fediel to 100% TA as well (with Ultima Trium Key)
 Highlander Lucha Bursting
(Hades x Qilin)
Premier grid for farming light raids
Can farm Gold Bricks via Akasha
Key of Temptation(Freyr)
Agonize/Pain and Suffering can be used over Vagabond
Preferred AX skills are Enmity > ATK/Skill Cap
Ultima ULB would replace seraphic and astral whenever it’s available
 PNS Lucha Bursting
(Hades x Qilin/Shiva)
Can farm Gold Bricks via Akasha
Sky Piercer is better than Zwei if available.
Masala better than Gisla and Vagabond if available, Can potentially drop Zoi in
that setup
2nd Gisla can be put in place of Vagabond if raid defense is too high
Opus key is likely skill and Chain of Temptation for most content.
Enmity key likely preferred in Hades X Shiva setups
Preferred AX skills are Stamina/Enmity > ATK/Skill Cap
Ultima with seraphic key and auto cap key can replace astral and seraphic when
two characters benefit
Enmity slots can be replaced with 2-3 Fallen Swords for Stamina Luchador
This setup allows the dropping of Zoi and can out damage Masala if you lack
Skypiercer
 General Hades X Hades Template
Seraphic is replaced with a Cosmic Axe on null content
Mainhand is flexible based off of class
Bottom row can be filled with enmity and stamina weapons, further cap
(Fediel Spine / Agonize/Skeletal Eclipse), or defense (Majestas) depending
on scenario
Opus keys are typically skill and stamina keys but are flexible depending on
raid damage and characters.
A solid core from full autoing to hard content
Note that Qilin bow may be slightly more damage than cosmic axe for filling
out 6% general cap due to a lower normal mod presence in the grid.
Results may vary
Ultima will replace seraphic when two characters benefit
 PBHL Autonuke Soldier
NOT WORTH BUILDING AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS
Other elements have much cheaper/effective setups
(Hades x Bahamut or Hades x Hades)
Gunslinger’s Divinity/Chain of Depravity(Plain Key)
Fastest honor gain setup in PBHL for Dark
Summer Tabina/Kolulu/Rei/Lich
Hades x Bahamut or Hades x Hades will depend on HP values
2nd Vagabond can be substituted with Bismarck
Skeletal Eclipse on Hades x Hades can allow you to replace Agonize and drop
Vagabonds for stronger damage weapons
Requires low ping to fully utilize
Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6P60eafYw
 EX+ 0 Button 2 Chain
(Huanglong x Huanglong)
Chain of Temptation/Freyr Key
Cavalier/Veight/130+ Seox/Kolulu
Bismarck Attack Awakening

Very accessible setup

If struggling, can swap Seox and Veight positions to settle for a 3 chain
 EX+ 0 Button 0 Chain
(Hades x Hades)
Chain of Temptation/Freyr Key
Ultima Seraphic Key
Apsaras M20/Summer Amira/150 Seox/Summer Meg
Cortanas, Freyr Key, and Multiattack Key guarantee TA on everyone
Requires good rings/perp rings to pull off

Alternate Setup:
Ultima Claw > Ultima Axe/Spear
Cortana > Fallen Sword
Soul Eater > Anything to cap crit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdPFlt-gaRo
 Super Ultimate Bahamut HL
(Hades x Hades)
Extremely experimental, proceed with caution
Maverick Element dependant on what tenets you’d like to clear
Bahamut Spear in AX Slot
Nighthound/Lich/Eustace/Fediel/Rei/Kolulu
Nightound Swap/Rei 2 to cycle between the two to keep access to summon calls
Nighthound S1 with Maverick allows you take a free turn before 50%
Tactical Relocate to sub in Kolulu to eat Daedelus Drive at 75%
Skeletal Eclipse and Bigeh and Edfu still being tested, other considerations are
another copy of either or Sunya.
If you have success or improvements please let me know!

Quick guide I made in an hour

A better guide (credit to Illya, Calvin, and Yog)
 Weapon Comparison Tables
The tables below will list most of the weapons that you may see in
different Hades grids, as well as what kind of content you’ll
probably see them most effectively used in, and how many of
each weapon you’ll likely see being used. Please use it as a
reference when deciding what weapons you decide to bar/farm
depending on your personal needs.

This reference is most effectively used in conjunction with looking

at setups by other experienced players, and testing them on
calculators like Motocal. Remember to take into consideration
character synergies, and raid goals as well.

TL:DR Use these tables to help decide what you want to

bar/farm.

The Dead Guinea Pig Meter

A core part of the setup. Cuyi is pleased by your investment.

A great addition to the setup. Cuyi loves the newfound strength in

your grid.

Can be put into the setup depending on the situation, but Cuyi
doesn’t think it’s wise to invest bars into this weapon for this particular
setup.

If you need to fill in grid slots. Cuyi is disappointed that you have
nothing better.

Cuyi is amazed that you would think of putting this in.

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights
and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
weapons

Gisla

Tahar Masala

Pain and
Suffering

Vagabond

Bab-el-
Mandeb

Bloody Scar

Blutgang
Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights
and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
weapons

Cute Ribbon

Fallen Sword

Unheil

Parazonium

Sunya

Skeletal
Eclipse

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights

and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
weapons
 Ouroboros
Treat

Ishtar

Ruling Pen

Soul Eater

Gandring

Gram

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights

and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
weapons
Sky Piercer

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

Scythe of
Dark Herald

Katana of
Repudiation

Katana of
Renunciation

Claws of
Terror

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto
 Qilin Bow

Scales of
Dominion

Hollowsky Axe

Celeste Claw

Zwei
Schaedel

Agonize

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

Fediel’s Spine
 Abydos

Bigeh and
Edfu

Advocatus
Diaboli

Abyss Spine

Qilin Sword

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

Celeste Axe
Cosmic Sword

Cosmic Scythe

Cerberus
Order

Cortana

Majestas

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

Hermanubis

Diablo Bow
 Hollowsky
Sword

True Phantom
Demon Blade

Pain of Death

Qilin Harp

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

U
ltima Weapon
(5*)

Obscuritas
 How many of each weapon would I use?
Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights
and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
Weapons
Core Enmity Not 1 minimum 2+ can be Can be slotted
Weapon considered for Enmity considered in if you are
1 minimum Highlander Other dipping into
for Luchador weapons enmity for the
Gisla
Highlander are suitable raid

An upgrade Not An upgrade An upgrade Can be used to

to Gisla considered to Gisla to Gisla if enable
2 core if not 2 core if not HP loss isn’t enmity/garrison
running running detrimental faster
Tahar Masala Zooey Zooey

Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can be

be used, be used, be used, be used, used, preferably
even without even without even without preferably alongside
existing existing existing alongside Shalem Axes
Pain and axes axes axes Shalem
Suffering Axes

Core Enmity Not 1 minimum Damage Generally not

Weapon considered for Enmity option if the best option
1 minimum Highlander using nukes with only a Big
for Luchador Enmity mod
Vagabond Highlander

1-2 can be 1-2 can be Niche use 2 provides 1-2 for

slotted in for slotted in for for 1 in great survivability and
survivability survivability Highlander survivability damage,
Crit Stamina and depends on rest
Bab-el-Mandeb consistent of grid
damage

1 can be 1 can be Niche use 1 can be 1 can be used

used for skill used for skill for 1 in used for for skill cap or
cap or cap or Highlander Highlander Highlander Crit
Highlander Highlander Crit Stamina Crit
Bloody Scar Crit Crit Great Also useful for
defensive full auto crit
mainhand highlander ex+
setups

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights

and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
Weapons
1 as 1 as Niche use 1 as 1 as damage
damage damage for 1 in damage filler or
filler or filler and Highlander filler and Highlander Crit
Highlander Cosmic Crit Stamina decent
Blutgang Crit Sword defensive
synergy mainhand

1 as Not 1 as 1+ as Not considered

damage considered damage damage due to low stats
filler filler filler and reliance on
enmity mod
Cute Ribbon

Not Core 1 for 2+ with babs 2+ with babs or

considered stamina Highlander or 4+ are a 4+ are a great
weapon Crit decent damage option
3+1 Stamina, damage if you can
Fallen Sword Blutgang or more can be option if you maintain
4 to used for can stamina
consider stamina maintain 1 can improve
investing lucha/ougi stamina starting damage
Only 2-3 setups Only 2-3 curve
recommend recommend Only 2-3
for PNS ed for PNS recommended
grids grids for PNS grids

1 can be 1 can be 1 can be 1 can be 1 can be used

used for used for used in ougi used for for ougi cap up,
ougi cap up ougi cap up setups ougi specs health, and as
and as an and as an and health an offensive
Unheil offensive offensive in double MH.
mainhand in mainhand in Hades
double double
Hades Hades

1 can be 1 can be 1 can be 1 can be 1 can be used

used as a used as a used as a used as a as a mainhand
mainhand mainhand mainhand in mainhand
Warlock
Parazonium Chaser
setups

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights

and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
Weapons
 Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can Up to 2 can be
be used, be used, be used, be used, used, only
only only only only outperforms
Skeletal outperforms outperforms outperforms outperforms Agonize on
Agonize on Agonize on Agonize on Agonize on double Hades
Eclipse double double double double
Hades Hades Hades Hades

1 can be Not Not 1 can be 1 can be used

used in considered considered used for for damage and
double unless you damage and as a defensive
Hades have no as a mainhand in
Sunya other enmity defensive double Hades
weapons mainhand in or Hades x
double Belial
Hades

Not Not Not Luxury Not considered

considered considered considered defensive
option to
help dark’s
Ouroboros sustain
Treat Strong
sustain
mainhand

Not Not 1 can be Not 1 can be used

considered considered used to cap considered as filler to
crit in crit increase crit
highlander rate or in
Ishtar auto otk critlander

1-2 can be a 1-2 can be a 1-2 can be a 1-2 can be a 1-2 can be a
viable crit viable crit viable crit viable crit viable crit piece
piece and piece and piece and piece and and
supplement supplement supplement supplement supplemental
Ruling Pen al damage al damage al damage al damage damage option
option if you option if you option if you option if you if you lack Pain
lack Pain lack Pain lack Pain lack Pain and Despair
and Despair and Despair and Despair and Despair

Gacha Stuff Hard Long Fights

and Moon Enmity Stamina Burst Content / Full Auto
Weapons
 Not Not 1 can be Not 1 can be used
considered considered used to cap considered as filler to
crit in crit increase crit
highlander rate or in
Soul Eater auto otk. critlander.

Not Not 1 can be Not Not considered

considered considered used as a considered
higher
attack
Gandring Hermanubis

Not Not Not 1 can be 1 can be used

considered considered considered used as filler as filler to cap
to cap crit crit with 2 Bab
with 2 Bab
Gram

Can be Not Best Not Decent

used as a considered luchador considered mainhand if the
Zwei mainhand in outside of burn is
Schaedel the game speedrunnin negligible
Sky Piercer with big Obscuritas g Lucilius
enmity may be Hard solo
needed

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto

Always Always Always Always Always include

include vs include vs include vs include vs vs Light
Light Light Light Light enemies
enemies enemies enemies enemies
Scythe of Dark
Herald

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto
Either opus Either opus Either opus Either opus Either opus is
is always is always is always is always always included
included included included included Enmity,
Enmity key Stamina key Enmity Key Progression Stamina, and
Katana of
 Repudiation for enmity with double Progression
luchador, Hades, keys are all
Stamina Enmity if run viable
Key for alongside depending on
stamina Sunya the raid and the
luchador/ou rest of the grid
gi

Enmity key Stamina key Enmity key Not Not considered

when HP when for enmity considered as much due to
isn’t as running 4+ luchador as much HP loss
important Fallen Either opus due to HP compared to
Katana of and running Swords works fine loss double boosted
Renunciation 3+ Gislas compared to Primal Opus
double
boosted
Primal Opus

Always Always Always Always Always included

included for included for included for included for for unworldly
unworldly unworldly unworldly unworldly EX mod and
EX mod and EX mod and EX mod and EX mod and auto cap up
Claws of Terror auto cap up auto cap up auto cap up auto cap up

Included Included Always If cap up is If cap up is

whenever whenever included for desired and desired and
capping capping cap up survivability survivability isn’t
isn’t an an issue
Qilin Bow issue

If running
highlander, Highlander
If running but If running is generally If running
highlander generally highlander not suited to highlander
Scales of weaker in hard content
Dominion stamina

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto
Can be run Can be run Used for Can be run for
for cap up if for cap up if cap up in Not cap up if
running running luchador considered running axe/fist
axe/fist axe/fist setups with chars that triple
Hollowsky Axe chars that chars that Death call attack
 triple attack triple attack

1 can be
used in 1 can be Can be
highlander Not used in used as Can be used as
and as considered highlander damage damage filler
Celeste Claw damage filler
filler

Can be run Can be run Used for Not Can be run for
for cap up if for cap up if cap up in considered cap up if
running running luchador running chars
chars that chars that setups with that triple attack
Zwei Schaedel triple attack triple attack Death call

Additional Additional Additional Additional Additional

supplement supplement supplement supplement supplemental
al skill al skill al skill al skill skill damage
damage damage damage damage when running
Agonize when when when when skill damage
running skill running skill running skill running skill characters
damage damage damage damage
characters characters characters characters

Not 1-2 can be 1-2 are 1-2 can be 1 can be

considered used for essential in considered considered for
ougi cap up ougi OTK for Kengo stamina
and setups Beelzebub damage filler
Fediel’s Spine additional and ougi cap up
stamina
mod

Not Not Not 1 can be Not considered

considered considered considered considered
as
Abydos mainhand

Farmable Enmity Stamina Burst Hard Long Fights

Stuff Content / Full Auto
1-2 can be Not Not 1-2 can be 1-2 can be used
used for considered considered used for for ougi cap up
ougi cap up ougi cap up and additional
Bigeh and and and enmity mod if
Edfu additional additional not healthy
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and health if and health if summon and health if other magna
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Stuff Content / Full Auto
Not Can be run Not Not Can be run with
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Cosmic Scythe
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null ele null ele null ele null ele
content content content content

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Stuff Content / Full Auto
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health
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 Cosmic debuffing
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synergy

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classes classes

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outside of raid wide clarity
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nuke teams

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considered considered using Sky considered
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in enmity
luchador
 Credits
Authors: Eyyun#7456, Dogmatism#0808 / KevinIHOP
People who helped: Simp#5441, Wurael#2079, Lhalia#2817, Shinn#3839,
Toble#5437, Verzweif#5314
Rampu Dugtrio Maker: Cucumberpiece#9730

Update Archive
December 31st 2021
New Character - Fediel (Grand)
● Synergizes in both Ougi and Nuke comps
● Extremely strong defensive synergy with Lich, as her damage from her field
becomes beneficial as a result of Lich’s Death’s Grace
● Does incredible damage per turn with permanent double ougi and autonuke
● Can be used a main DPS in mash comps when supported with Rei skill 1 and
supplemental skill damage weapons
● Shines in hard content due to high damage per turn as well as permanent
defense down and party buffs from her field effect
 ● Can be used in burst compositions due to local defense down from field,
autonukes, and dispel cancel
● Strong option in full auto if skill 3 is manually pressed

New Weapon - Skeletal Eclipse (Grand)

● Unlike Agonize with it’s flat 100k supplemental damage via Purgatory’s
Spectacle, Skeletal Eclipse comes with the Tempering skill commonly associated
with Agni’s Twelf Vertex of the Passel and Titan’s World Ender.
● The main difference drawn between these skills is the fact that the Tempering
skill requires a boosted primal aura with the benefit of both providing
supplemental skill damage and skill cap increases.
○ The supplemental damage from tempering only reaches the 200k cap
when boosted by at least 400% aura using two tempering weapons, This
means double Hades (not taking into account the future fediel summon
release)
○ Setups using Double Hades such as crit, auto-attack based OTK, and
many full auto setups will generally prefer Skeletal Eclipse over agonize
while setups using only single hades or no hades at all will generally
prefer agonize for it’s non-aura reliant supplemental damage boost
○ Another consideration is the cost of drawing for and barring Skeletal
Eclipse over running the farmable Agonize.

New Summon - Beelzebub (Providence Series)

● As a sub summon, it has extremely powerful call and stat boost to MC for longer
fights
● As a main summon, it opens up burst options with a 100k supplemental debuff as
well as powerful nuke from call available turn 1. It is commonly used in 1-2 burst
situations such as Akasha and Nightmare 95. It can also be used to farm EX+,
simply by calling it and auto attacking (works in other elements too!)

December 22nd 2021

New Weapon - Abydos
● Supplemental value varies from 10k to 30k depending on current HP %
● Unfortunately the weapon does not seem very viable due to the low
supplemental value, as well as superior sources of both of its mods (Pain and
Suffering, Sunya)
● However, the dagger has a decent ougi effect (3k heal and 20% damage cut to
party), and thus is a solid consideration for a dagger mainhand if one does not
have premium options such Bloody Scar or Parazonium
New Weapon - Bigeh and Edfu
● A reverse Fediel Spine, but with a boostable damage mod.
 ● This weapon can definitely be considered for ougi-based teams in situations
where your party is not staying healthy (Luci, Bubs, Belial, and Super Baha). The
addition of Grand Fediel also helps give more value to this weapon. Grid slots
are extremely tight in double Hades grids, and many weapons are fighting for the
same spots (Agonize, Eclipse, Sunya, Unheil). Regardless, this weapon definitely
has potential, especially in raids where damage per turn is important, such as V2
raids.
Note that both of these weapons will be receiving some sort of upgrade during the
Anniversary update, and that it may be beneficial to farm them out in case that their
improvements make them more viable in the future.

Character Rebalance - Veight

● The addition Pride of Vampires as his passives makes him a very consistent
choice for OTK teams when used in conjunction with agonize
Character Rebalance - Freezie
● Notably provides an alternative method of party wide TA besides the use of
death summon
Character Rebalance - Cagliostro
● The addition of unchallenged, dispel cancel, party healing, and delay into their kit
has made Cagliostro a very solid option for hard content teams.

December 14th 2021

New Class Updates - Master Level implementation in Row IV and EX II classes
● While every class got improvements, Apsaras, Runeslayer and Kengo are three
strong choices to prioritize mastering first.
○ At Mastery Level 20, Apsaras gains various passive buffs based on the
number of spears and axes in your grid, up to 5. Dark commonly runs
many spears and axes already (PnS, Bab, Seraphic, Gisla, Eclipse), and
as a result Apsaras becomes a strong class for mashing and auto-based
OTK.
○ At Mastery Level 20, Runeslayer gains 2 crests at the start of battle. This
allows for stronger early echoes from Dragon Break, and Runeslayer is
now a viable burst class alongside Luchador.
■ Setups require mainhanding your Dark Opus with a Chain of
Falsehood/Echo Key for the double strike to party on ougi.
Runeslayer circumvent the charge bar penalty with skills such as
Splitting Spirit and Runeweaving (Fire+Water). Fediel is commonly
run as her Dispel Cancel makes up for the lack of Dispel Cancel
from Chain of Temptation/Freyr Key.
○ Kengo gains party buffs on chain burst and 50% charge bar gain on Skill 1
at Mastery Level 20 and 30 respectively. While ougi-based dark
compositions were never unheard of, they gain new strength with these
 improvements as well as new tools such as Grand Fediel and Osiris
weapon Bigeh and Edfu

December 3rd 2021

New Weapon Uncaps - Ultima and Bahamut Weapon ULB
● Additional keys on ultima weapons provide strong options in ultimas as a grid
piece
● Tria key likely provides the biggest benefit in terms of slot efficiency. 25%
seraphic boost and an ultima cap up slot allows for the potential of dropping two
previously core weapons from your grid: Astral and Seraphic weapons
○ Ena key provides an option to reach 20% general cap in conjunction with
qilin without the necessity of scales of dominion.
○ Dio key may see some niche usage in full auto setups to enable better
sustain on harder hitting enemies
○ Tessera key.. 10% bar gain.. there is probably no reason to use this
outside of giga brain setups
● Ultima Claw is most commonly considered due to Dark’s plethora of melee
proficiency characters.

September 15th 2021

New Character - Lich (Grand)
● Extremely strong character in all non-burst content
● Heavier focus on skill-damage based setups due to her autonuke potency
New Weapon - Pain and Suffering (PnS, Penis)
● 50k unconditional supplemental, 8% EX mod for every axe in grid, and 7%
general cap up at FLB
● Best Dark grand weapon, but not highest priority
● Needs a strong base (enmity, stamina, crit) in order to perform well
● Usable at 0*, but worth to FLB
● Usable in Magna, and even outside of Dark
● Can be slotted in any situation where more damage is desired (including hard
content)
● Shalem Axes are more valuable due to Axe Voltage synergy
● Using 2 PnS is stronger than running Highlander with Scales of Dominion
● Ruling Pen no longer worth investing due to supplemental not stacking
● Hollowsky Axe mostly phased out due PNS capping supplemental cap
unconditionally and not stacking any more. Claws of Terror (Astral) may no
longer instant slot-in for certain situations due to EX mod dilution and the option
for selective caps on opus.
○ Situations where astral would be dropped would primarily be raids where
capping auto’s aren’t consistent or the main damage source (i.e. Faa and
other high defense raids).
 ○ Situations where higher value slots force opus key to be swapped to auto-
cap and astral to be dropped may also arise with future weapon releases.
● Unheil/Sunya have lower priority as grid slots due to lower grid space
● Flexibility extends to other elements where it can be used for it’s EX mod
● Ougi effect makes it a strong MH for zerker OTK setups
August 20th 2021
Weapon Skill Changes
● Ougi changes are the most impactful here
● Not much changes for Hades Weapons
● 3-4 Avatar Staves are extremely potent now, allows for staves to cap 75% /
100% CA Cap/ Damage with Celeste
● Celeste is heavily favored for Ougi OTK/Chrysaor setups
● Lowered priority on Hermanubis and Unheil due to Avatar Staves’ ability to cap
non-ultima based CA damage and cap alone
● The addition of an HP cap on primal skill weapons lowers effectiveness certain
HP weapons; mostly meme diablo bow hp stacking.

August 7th 2021

New Character - Tabina (Summer)
● Used in OTK and autonuke setups
● Fastest dark character to max out stackable attack/defense down
New Weapon - Tahar Masala (Curry)
Situation 1: Autonuke mashing/longer fights
● Using 2 enables you to start the battle at 60%
● Chain of Depravity/Plain Key and Kolulu’s Tallyho spam are activated sooner
● Allows you to instantly enable enmity/garrison in fights where it’s difficult to
maintain full HP
● Only worth if running 2 at FLB
Situation 2: Burst setups using Conjunction
● Functions as a stronger Gisla due to 3 damage mods and being a melee weapon
● Generally not worth investing in if you are already capping with Gisla(s) at 1 HP
● Situations where you’d need the extra damage over Gislas are usually for
capping assassin turns (Halloween Ferry and Hades x Shiva setups)
● Can run multiple copies in 2 PnS setups
● Worth investing in if you don’t have Gislas, or need the extra raw damage boost
Situation 3: Burst setups not using Conjunction
● Using 2 allows you to start the battle at 60%, and use enmity over stamina
weapons in situations where pressing conjunction is not favorable
● Similar damage to using 2 Fallen Swords with Zwei/PG Fist
● Outperforms using 2 Fallen Swords with Sky Piercer
● Can be considered if running 2 at FLB, worth if you have Sky Piercer

August 6th
New Weapon - Agonize
● 100k skill supplemental, up to 200k
● Used in autonuke and full auto comps
● Also used in OTK comps with multi-hit nukes (Seox, Tabina, Kolulu)
● Farm up to 2

July 31st 2021

New Character - Meg (Summer)
● Used in full auto and burst teams
● Only needs 1 additional summer character in the team
● Synergy with crit grids
● Passive Echoes do not stack with Zwei/Sky Piercer 3rd hit passive or Chain of
Falsehood/Echo Key

June 16th 2021

New Dark Opus Keys - Belial
Chain of Temptation (Freyr Key)
● Gain FLB Freyr Buffs for 4 turns
● Dispel Cancel and Veil are very potent for content such as NM95 bursting and
Akasha
● Additional cap up makes it favorable over enmity key for bursting in most content
● -30% HP cut is negligible when using conjunction
Chain of Forbiddance (Apple Key)
● 100% CA DMG and 30% CA Cap Up, take 10k Plain damage on ougi
● This or freyr key are used in ougi OTKs
● Freyr is more convenient due to it having a more uses in other content
● Can be used to enable Kolulu’s Tallyho autonuke under 25% HP
Chain of Depravity (Plain Key)
● Take 5% max hp as damage every turn, deal 1 million plain damage if below
50%
● Used in autonuke mashing setups for additional nuke damage
● Synergy with 2 Tahar Masala
● Shields such as Grimnir call can be used to avoid dying
Chain of Falsehood (Echo Key)
● 20% Side A Echoes and -100% bar gain
● Does not stack with Zwei/Sky Piercer’s 3rd hit echo, or Meg’s party echo on crit
passive
● An alternative to Freyr key for additional cap up in auto based setups
● Can be used as a mainhand to grant double striker to the rest of the team for
burst setups
 ● Instant ignition skills (Runeslayer Fire + Water) and Splitting Spirit can be used to
gain bar to ougi

Misc Updates 2021

Primal ULBs and introduction of 6 Dragon Summons
● Bigger numbers yay
● 2 Shalem Axe is 100% crit with ULB Hades x ULB Hades and MLB Fediel sub
summon (unreleased)