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That’s why Merton said that, often, truth comes flying in on the wings of
beauty & goodness.That’s why Lonergan issued the imperatives to be
attentive, reasonable, intelligent, responsible & in love.That’s why so many,
formatively, begin with right belonging (orthocommunally), which then gifts
us right desiring (orthopathically), which then gifts us right behaving
(orthopraxically), before finally awakening to a right believing (orthodoxically).
Only when taken together will these imperatives lead us to our ever-
increasing human authenticity or right becoming (orthotheotically).Our faith
journey involves knowledge that’s propositional & gnoseological as well as a
participatory & operative knowledge.
That’s why Stump urges analytic theologians to engage logic & Franciscan
knowledge in tandem. That’s why infernalists know that, beyond their
arguments, they must indeed attend to our affective & evaluative
dispositions.
Those with eyes to see, though, know that allowing the possibility (running
the risk) of unintended eternal evils (e.g. an everlasting peccability) as an
unavoidable risk isn’t morally justifiable because the retributive (&/or
restorative) weight of such an infinite perdition (e.g. eternal purgatorial fire)
would be WAY disproportional, by definition, to any offense that could be
committed by finite, fallible persons.
That scenario collapses, therefore, per double-effect & cooperation with evil
type principles into ‘directly intending’ – not ‘merely permitting’ – an evil. And
no, one can’t coherently recruit Nyssen’s eternal, ecstatic epectatic dynamic
as aesthetically, morally or logically proportional to an everlasting purgative
sequestration (of course, state of being, not place). Given certain
circumstances, then, permission can become tantamount to intention. Given
certain circumstances, evil as a parasitic existence can become, for all
practical purposes, a substantial existent.
The whole time I was reading Tom’s article and the responses, apposite &
otherwise, I was thinking about my favorite General Audience of Benedict
XVI.
Lastly, Duns Scotus has developed a point to which modernity is very sensitive. It is
the topic of freedom and its relationship with the will and with the intellect. Our
author underlines freedom as a fundamental quality of the will, introducing an
approach that lays greater emphasis on the will. Unfortunately, in later authors, this
line of thinking turned into a voluntarism, in contrast to the socalled “Augustinian
and Thomist intellectualism”. For St Thomas Aquinas, who follows St Augustine,
freedom cannot be considered an innate quality of the will, but, the fruit of the
collaboration of the will and the mind. Indeed, an idea of innate and absolute
freedom – as it evolved, precisely, after Duns Scotus – placed in the will that
precedes the intellect, both in God and in man, risks leading to the idea of a God
who would not even be bound to truth and good.
The wish to save God’s absolute transcendence and diversity with such a radical and
impenetrable accentuation of his will does not take into account that the God who
revealed himself in Christ is the God “Logos”, who acted and acts full of love for us.
Of course, as Duns Scotus affirms, love transcends knowledge and is capable of
perceiving ever better than thought, but it is always the love of the God who is
“Logos” (cf. Benedict XVI, Address at the University of Regensburg, 12 September
2006). In the human being too, the idea of absolute freedom, placed in the will,
forgetting the connection with the truth, does not know that freedom itself must be
liberated from the limits imposed on it by sin. All the same, the Scotist vision does
not fall into these extremes: for Duns Scotus a free act is the result of the concourse
of intellect and will, and if he speaks of a “primacy” of the will, he argues this
precisely because the will always follows the intellect.
Rather than consider certain theo-anthropo stances over against, I’ve looked
for aspects of truth, beauty & goodness in each to see if any apparent
dichotomies might be dissolved. Consider sufficient:efficacious;
omnipresence:indwelling; synergism:monergism; im/peccability;
in/ancaritability; ir/resistible; justifying:sanctifying; un/elect; intellect/will;
formal/efficient; assent, refusal & quiescence (absence of refusal);
in/compatibilism; natural:personal; necessary:fitting; determination:freedom;
inter alia. It’s a long (1500 pp) story, but oversimplifying it, I’ve found that if
we allow many of the realities in certain competing theologoumena,
specifying some as universal, others – particular and some as
extra/ordinary, each can find a place in a coherent stance.
In order to coherently hold all of those above realities together, any artificial
extrinsicism must be ditched re nature:grace. Transient purgation would stay,
while eternal perdition would have to go.
Speaking essentially, consistent w/participation & analogy (of whatness), a creatio ex Deo
stance, whether Neoplatonic or neo-Whiteheadian, can secure the hypostatic realities of
humanization of the divine, incarnationally, and divinization of the human, theotically. This is
to say that it secures the natural theophanic harmonies of the divine & human.
I like to use emanation to refer, analogically, to both Monarchical & Christological essential
self-determinations of universals, which are both exemplifiable, when infinitely & absolutely
immanent, as well as signifiable, when finitely & relatively instantiable.
Speaking of persons, consistent w/perichoresis & a semantical univocity (howness), a Neo-
Chalcedonian stance can secure the hypostatic reality of our mutually constituted identities,
ie. It secures the interpersonal Christogonic harmonies of the divine & human.
I like to use generation to refer to the dynamics of both the infinite Trinitological as well as
the finite Christogonic (theophanic) personal otherings (via a multiplicative monism or
mereological panentheism).
Because creaturely essences are primordially grounded in differences between relative &
divine perfections, the natures of all creaturely autonomies are essentially & ineluctably
harmonious with & participate in the Logos, ontologically.
The divine and human differences don’t present, then, in any violent sense, such as if they
were grounded in some being vs nonbeing nihilistic struggle.
Note: Bracken’s Spirit & Society appropriates Hegel in a way that could be used to vindicate
an Hegelian Christogony & neoChalcedonian syntheses from charges of theogony.
Perichoretically, per the corporate Oneness that theophanically manifests unitive acts of
understanding & love, the Christogonic Totus Christus would refer to the One concrete social
Absolute in terms of a dynamical & epectatic interpersonal unitive doing.
Heaven is Our Eternal – Temporal Universal Co-Dwelling (not a future
contingency)
Each finite rational agent’s eschatological horizon would involve an epistemic closure that
includes personalized forms & degrees of purgation.
Perdition doesn’t refer in this system but we can employ its universalist properties as a foil to
competing eschatologies.
Transient purgation moreso would differentiate from everlasting perdition, qualitatively, vis a
vis the in/finite in terms of absolute ir/remediability than strictly in terms of duration.
That’s all to recognize that, because we gaze through a glass, darkly, at phantasms of the Real
One, we’ll interpret every proleptic glimpse of each of our particular eschatological
fulfillments in Christ as if it’s a vision of a future contingency rather than a peep at
our heavenly eternal – temoral co-dwelling.
This is really a foil, then, to a qualitative disproportionality between purgation and perdition,
which transcends our temporal conceptions. It’s a disproportionality that would violate – not
only what I believe are most people’s moral intuitions & aesthetic sensibilities, but – a
putative divine fittingness, which would be analogous to those time-honored principles, which
morally justify double effect & cooperation with evil. That’s the locus of a moral modal
collapse, where divine permission would become tantamount to intent and evil’s parasitic
existence would become, for all practical purposes, substantial.
But isn’t that a tad at odds w/my fallibilist, holistic, axiological epistemology?
After all, my cumulative case stance gives more than a nod to our, more &
less, shared moral intuitions, aesthetic sensibilities & common sense.
So, more rigorously, the epistemic divide’s not between analytic arguments,
logically, & robustly probabilistic inferences, evidentially.
In so doing, they can trivialize the enormity of human suffering & cursorily
dismiss the immensity of human pain.
Perhaps onto familiar epistemic territory, where weaker arguments are easier
to defend, where our stances have merely avoided any ostensible
unreasonableness, where we formulate arguments without recourse to
argumentation (cf Peirce re the Ens Necessarium), where our tautologies
compete equiplausibly with others’?
Fast forward, there’s no denying God is in the dock. A process approach with
an aesthetic teleology won’t get Him out any faster than the free will
defenses of classical theists. What gets God out the dock for me has not
boiled down to either case theories (defenses) or factual circumstances
(theodicies).
Here’s another appeal: I’m a Daddy & a Grandpa. Jesus revealed His Daddy to
me. WWJD?
That’s what makes our distinctions between divine antecedent & consequent
wills and divine permission & intent dissolve, practically. That’s also what
makes our distinction between a parasitic & substantial evil existence
meaningless, practically.
disproportionality that would violate – not only what I believe are most people’s
moral intuitions & aesthetic sensibilities, but – a putative divine fittingness,
which would be analogous to those time-honored principles, which morally
justify double effect & cooperation with evil. That’s the locus of a moral modal
collapse, where divine permission would become tantamount to intent and
evil’s parasitic existence would become, for all practical purposes, substantial.
This does not mean that my universalism & infernalism cannot be engaged
as foils in a competition for the most plausibility & coherence. It only narrows
the premises of such arguments.
To wit:
As with evil, in general, hell, in particular, presents both logical & evidential
problems.
Valid logical defenses to both can be offered but those require theologians to
opt for argumentative consistency over completeness, unavoidably requiring a
retreat into some form of theological skepticism.
The form of skepticism in play for universalism strikes this Gödelian bargain,
while very much leaving in play our present moral intuitions, aesthetic
sensibilities & quotidian common sense. The weight of the glory will go
beyond but not without them.
I would contend that I have not wrenched these conceptual borrowings out of
their contexts, as if they were necessarily inextricably intertwined within each
competing theological anthropology. Rather, I have juxtaposed them and
reintegrated them into a perfectly coherent stance. Taken together, their logic
necessarily leads to an indicative universalism. In fact, once properly
gleaning certain insights gifted us by these competing Catholic
anthropologies, one would have to engage in wholly ad hoc rationalizations
(abstractions divorced from any coherence as would be derivable from the
plausibility of our collective concrete experiences) to sustain any brand of
infernalism. Perhaps Molina, Báñez, Stump (quiescence) & Scotus (non velle)
all have insights to contribute regarding how human persons freely will in
response to various divine communications?
And Maritain & HUvB have insights to contribute regarding the bottomless
depths of God’s mercy & unfathomable heights of His Glory? Over against
their meanings in libertarian, compatibilist, annihilationist, limboic &
subjunctive infernalisms, then, I propose the following Glossary of Indicative
Universalism: Apokatastenai refers to the consummation of purgation.
Eschatologically, it is – not an alternative destination, but – a pit stop on our
journey to apokatastasis. Emanation can refer, analogically, to both
Monarchical & Christological essential self-determinations of universals, both
exemplifiable, when infinitely & absolutely immanent, as well as signifiable,
when finitely & relatively instantiable. Generation refers to both infinite
Trinitological & finite Christogonic (theophanic) personal otherings.
Perichoresis can refer, analogically, to both Trinitological & Cosmotheandric
interpersonal communions as well as the Christological essential harmonies.
Purgation refers to the purging of the parasitic existence of our vicious
secondary natures as will obscure (but never obliterate) our primary natures
as imagoes Dei (to varying degrees). Per Bonaventure’s universal
hylomorphism and Scotus’ angel mutability and over against a spiritual
immaterialism, there are no obstacles like a postmortem immutability vis a
vis repentance. See God Ordains Our Epistemic Distancing for an account of
how our vicious natures come about through our sinfulness.
Note:
Fr JD wrote: “John and others – I do not have time to respond to all the other
threads now developing around the topic.”
Fr JD, thanks for your generous engagement. I think we largely agree on the
locations of our impasses and I also pretty much agree with you that my
arguments, at least, are ineluctably informal.
I think you’d agree that our quests for both logical validity AND soundness,
especially as they pertain to our ultimate concerns & primal realities, are all
exposed to Hitchen’s Razor – quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur? That’s
to say that our many competing metanarratives, at their best, are often
merely equiplausible and not, finally & formally, adjudicable.
As a pragmatist (Peircean not the vulgar brand), I’m not in the least offput by
the charge that this or that stance of mine is ‘grounded’ by moral intuitions,
aesthetic sensibilities or common sense. I am much less open to any charge
that those may be ‘bare,’ but I will impute to your assessment a charitable
disambiguation.
For example, I love how Stump employs Scripture as she navigates from the
merely logical to the more robustly evidential. What we’ll inevitably encounter,
especially in discussions regarding the problem of evil, are intractable
difficulties in moving from mere logical defenses to robustly evidential
theodicies. It is my contention that we should positively eschew (for reasons
I’ve explicated elsewhere) the latter exercise and so employ an eminently
defensible theological skepticism there (defended elsewhere). I say ‘there‘ to
suggest that it should in no way be employed, elsewhere, in a defense of
God’s character, as Jesus has sufficiently revealed Abba’s love & mercy.
So, all in all, I don’t make much of charges of circular reasoning & tautologies,
or regarding many informal fallacies. They’re not necessarily vicious or
untrue! And some are more plausibly taut than others. They’re often laden
with truth & meaning. Taken alone, they may lack epistemic warrant, but, in a
cumulative case-like appeal, taken together, they can often defensibly impart
significant normative force. So many things in our lives of faith, as well as
quotidian existence, will much more involve a practical reasoning under
uncertainty and existential “living as if,” than any quod erat demonstrandum?
So, whether to the New Atheists or to those arguing against David Bentley
Hart & advocating a moral defense of hell, I say – quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs
negātur – backatcha.
It’s the same thing I’d say to any mischievous sophist, who enters a forum
arguing for solipsism, quite overenamored of mere logical validity, while, at
the same time, cursorily dismissive of all reductiones ad absurdum, even
those as are otherwise adequately grounded in our rather ubiquitous
common sense, aesthetic sensibilities & moral intuitions.
So, how can such appeals as ours – to “Gaze into the eyes of your beloveds –
children & lovers – and say THAT!” – be so fatally flawed, cursorily
dismissed, casually syllogized & perfunctorily QEDed?
Theophanic Turtles all the way down & Christogonic Rabbits all the way across
It’s Theophanic Turtles all the way down but Christogonic Rabbits
(multiplicative) all the way across –
TheoAnthropological Rubrics
The acts of embodied entities have both material (efficiently causal, e.g. the
will) and immaterial (formally causal, e.g. the intellect) aspects (integrally
intertwined). Both angelic & incorporeal human persons have material &
immaterial aspects.
I developed the above rubrics from diverse sources including Terry Deacon’s
Incomplete Nature, Eleonore Stump’s & Scotus’ understandings of will &
intellect, Bulgakov’s embodied antinomies, various conceptions regarding
universal & pneumatic hylomorphisms and my Peircean inspired modal
ontology. Taken together, these don’t pretend to provide an explanatory
account but do offer us a robustly exploratory heuristic.
For, as Deacon makes clear in Incomplete Nature, “being alive does not
merely consist in being composed in a particular way. It consists in changing
in a particular way” (175). An Aristotelian substantial form is basically fixed in
its mode of operation. It is thus ill suited to be the governing principle in an
evolving life-system in which the mode of operation of the system keeps
evolving in the direction of greater order and complexity. But is it enough to
claim that the “constitutive absence” of a substantial form to govern its mode
of operation suffices to explain from a philosophical perspective how the
lifesystem continues to evolve in an orderly manner? Deacon’s appeal to the
notion of mutual constraint as the way that the components of a given
system dynamically interrelate is simply a description of what happens, not
of why it happens.
That’s to say that Terry leans physicalist while I lean metaphysically agnostic.
What we have in common are Peircean influences. The most important
takeaway is not HOW or whether there was a coevolution of language & brain
(Deacon’s thesis) or what the mechanisms were but, instead, is the
observation THAT symbolic language represents a marked qualitative
difference between humans & ALL other species. This is grounded in Peirce’s
semiotic categories, the very same ones that I use to map Aquinas, Scotus &
Palamas, and even different perichoreses.
The most salient point is that Deacon via Peirce affirms the meaningfulness
of formal causes and how they can be immaterial. Of course, I use that
opening to drive my divine omnipresence & indwelling dump trucks through,
while Terry resorts to a mere physicalism. This is all decidely undecidable,
ontologically.
To provide more context, while I believe Deacon is spot-on with his basic
Peircean phenomenology, other Peircean-inspired thinkers aren’t going to
allow him to prove too much or say more than we can possibly know. Hence,
Bracken’s critique as cited above. I continue to find great felicity between
Bracken & Bulgakov and my Gelpian – Peircean approach.
It’s theophanic turtles all the way down but Christogonic rabbits
(multiplicative) all the way across as the Totus Christus would refer to the
One concrete social Absolute in terms of a dynamical & epectatic (ever on
the move) interpersonal unitive doing.
The key metaphors = Bracken’s societies & subsocieties and agents, both
individual & corporate. Joseph Bracken’s challenge to Deacon remains
apposite, also, to my entire rubric.
My Categorical Rubrics
Insofar as creatio ex nihilo & ex Deo are apophatic & kataphatic expressions
of one reality, our mereological ontology must also be multiplicative.
And our categories must reflect various mutual conditionings, even though
variously bilateral & a/symmetric.
Our phenomenological categories must also refer modally, both to identities &
ontologies, while ambitioning successful references even when definitions, in
principle, elude us. They’ll thus refer to – not only possibilities, actualities &
necessities vis a vis reality’s undeniable regularities, but – also probabilities,
variously epistemic or ontic (often unable to specify which).
So, it seems to me, that, vis a vis various divine interactions with created
cocreators, grace can flow through reality’s emergentist hierarchy and be
mediated both mereologically & top-down as well as entitatively & bottom-up
and both Absolutely & relatively as well as universally & particularly.
None of these criteria seem a priori or on the surface inconsistent with
Bracken, Milbank, Hart, Jenson or Jordan Daniel Woods’ approaches as I’ve
variously mis/appropriated them, whether neoClassical, sophianic or
neoChalcedonian. But some of them may have made bolder claims & more
refined specifications than I’ve picked up on. I’m thinking of im/passibility, for
example, which I resolve in terms of Clarke’s version of the naturale –
intentionale distinction & Boyd’s aesthetic intensity – scope distinction, more
perichoretically & theophanically than participatorily & essentially. The
Damascene distinctions between the operative, operating, operator &
operated are helpful here, also, and I map them to essences, energeia,
entities (social) & effects.
It’s never a mere exchange of thoughts that forms & transforms us, it’s the
kindness of other hearts. As an autodidactic with some rather idiosyncratic
takes & phraseologies, I don’t have an audience to worry about. Clearly, I
write from my head & heart for its intrinsic rewards. A few have been
exceptionally kind and encouraging. I already mentioned Jordan Daniel
Wood, Tom Belt & Amos Yong. I must add, here, Phil Krill and Garrett
@ViaScoti.
What I’m doing with my metaphysic and its vague phenomenology & modal
ontology pretty much boils down to accounting for how we might best mine
the meanings of reality’s whos, whens, wheres, hows, whys and this & that’s,
even given the insurmountable epistemic – ontic constraints that confront us
when we attempt to define its various whats.
Heuristically, they can be roughly mapped categorically per the triads, below:
TheoAnthropology per the Woodsian Entitative, Scotistic Hylomorphic &
Maximian Modal Ontological Heuristics of Angels Dancing, People Dying &
such
The three sets of heuristics include what I call the Woodsian Entitative,
Scotistic Hylomorphic & Maximian Modal Ontological heuristics.
I’m not going to put them to work, here, for illustrative & explicative purposes,
but I’ve followed their rubrics & employed their grammars as I’ve traversed
back & forth between the idioms of different systems like Scotism,
Neoplatonism, Palamism, Thomism & even NeoWhiteheadian Process
approaches. They are at work throughout my Franciscan, Neo-Chalcedonian,
Cosmotheandric Universalism. I just plucked them out of their contexts,
there, and gathered them together in one place here to continue to use as an
intersystematic cheatsheet for my Theological Anthropology. If there’s a
remote chance that it will interest or be of use to any others, then that would
be great.
Persons & entities are indifferent & irreducible to but inseparable from
natures & essences.
in/animate? some entities are animate & some animate entities are agential
Essentially, our primary nature’s not only not wounded but not woundable.
Grace, then, operates tropically & inescapably, as purgative grace can
annihilate vicious secondary natures without violating free will.
What’s going on, temporally & transiently, when one asserts that
https://theologoumenon.substack.com/p/is-reconciling-the-impassibility
I would contend that I have not wrenched these conceptual borrowings out of
their contexts, as if they were necessarily inextricably intertwined within each
competing theological anthropology. Rather, I have juxtaposed them and
reintegrated them into a perfectly coherent stance. Taken together, their logic
necessarily leads to an indicative universalism. In fact, once properly
gleaning certain insights gifted us by these competing Catholic
anthropologies, one would have to engage in wholly ad hoc rationalizations
(abstractions divorced from any coherence as would be derivable from the
plausibility of our collective concrete experiences) to sustain any brand of
infernalism.
Perhaps Molina, Báñez, Stump (quiescence) & Scotus (non velle) all have
insights to contribute regarding how human persons freely will in response to
various divine communications?
And Maritain & HUvB have insights to contribute regarding the bottomless
depths of God’s mercy & unfathomable heights of His Glory?
Note:
Created persons enhypostasize the very same human nature, so are primarily
enessenced by the eternally conceived logoi, as incarnately revealed &
creatively multiplied by the Logos.
The human esse secundarium thus refers modally to – not logoi, but – tropoi,
which are ordered to each person’s dynamical transformation, as we grow
from merely “signifying” to clearly “exemplifying” a divinized human nature.
We thus theotically, per infinite potencies, realize our essential nature in the
very same way & to the very same degree that it was enessenced in &
expressed by Jesus.
When theotically realized, we are no longer mere shadows, vestiges & images
of God, for once we dynamically & tropically realize our full humanity, we’ll
then fully exemplify Jesus’ humanity and robustly signify Jesus’ divinity, as
we become similitudes of God. For His part, of course, Jesus exemplifies
both.
Realizing our human authenticity is a journey without end. That journey is our
destination. That quest is our grail.
This is to recognize that we will, eternally, only ever be able to exemplify part
of Christ’s human (cosmotheandric) nature (just as we will only ever signify
the divine nature). That’s to say, because the Christ is ever on the move
(Bracken), there will always be novel logoi for us to initially signify before
eventually exemplifying.
Hence, we will only ever signify the divine nature and only ever exemplify,
even, that part of human – macrocosmic nature that’s been instantiated by
us. There will always be emergent novel, hence yet uninstantiated, logoi.
“the individual can attain perfect fulfillment only when all the others have also
attained to perfect fulfillment” (Walter Kasper).
Why Logical Defenses to the Problem of Evil Work but to the Problem of Hell
Do NOT Work
In God, Creation, and Evil: The Moral Meaning of creatio ex nihilo David
Bentley Hart observes that “it is one thing to attempt to judge the relative
goodness or badness of a discrete evil in relation to final purposes we either
can or cannot see, but another thing altogether to judge a supposed total
narrative that pretends to describe the whole rationality of all its discrete
events. The former can never be more than conjectural and inductive; the
latter is a matter of logic.”
What Hart has parsed above vis a vis the problem of evil is the classical
distinction between evidential theodicies and logical defenses.
In _That All Shall Be Saved: Heaven, Hell, and Universal Salvation_, Hart
advanced a clarifying “game-theory” argument, which describes the
necessary “moral modal collapse” of the distinction between divine will and
divine permission (or between the divine antecedent and consequent wills) at
the eschatological horizon. It speaks to the relative goodness of God’s action
in creation and, by inevitable logical extension, of God in himself.
No better analysis of Hart’s moral argument can be found than that gifted us
by Tom Belt in God’s Eschatological Salvific Will: Revisiting Hart’s Moral
Argument for Universalism. Therein, Tom recently revised and extended his
analysis to address why Hart’s moral argument does not otherwise render
our other logical defenses to the problem of transient evils impotent. I
encourage all with such lingering questions to check it out.
Below are a few thoughts his article evoked for me:Disproportional infinite
remedies to the upside vis a vis transient evils make their risk morally
defensible. Presumably, those unintended, unavoidable risks are worth
running because of the immense intrinsic value of our theotic growth in
intimacy from images to likenesses.
Nothing less than eternal theosis!Allowing the possibility (running the risk) of
unintended eternal evils (e.g. an everlasting peccability) as an unavoidable
risk isn’t morally justifiable because the retributive (&/or restorative) weight
of such an infinite perdition (e.g. eternal purgatorial fire) would be WAY
disproportional, by definition, to any offense that could be committed by
finite, fallible persons. That scenario collapses, therefore, per double-effect
type principles into ‘directly intending’ – not ‘merely permitting’ – an evil.
Fr JD, you wrote: “But, first, classical double effect analyses do not hold that
permitting a disproportionate evil effect would be to intend that evil effect. It
would seem to be *unreasonable* to perform an act that would produce a
good and evil effect, if the evil effect outweighed any goods involved, but not
because one thereby intends the evil effect. One just acts
unreasonably.”JSS:What would seem to me to be most unreasonable would
be any stipulation that God could act unreasonably. Even granting that, One
would thus act not just unreasonably but unlawfully. But just like our parsings
of formal, material, im/mediate, remote, etc, one’s decision to act thusly can
be considered tantamount to formal intent.
The higher one sets the bar for putative acts of God to be deemed unjust, the
lower one sets the bar for the divine will to be either wholly voluntaristic or
vulgarly consequentialistic. Furthermore, theological skepticism regarding
God’s character in this regard are not in the least persuasive to those who’ve
seen Jesus and, thereby, the Father’s love.Fr JD, you wrote: “Why is that
suffering impermissibly disproportionate to the goods involved in ongoing
theosis? What if an individual were willing to accept such suffering
voluntarily? It seems to me there are many scenarios in which the suffering
does not need to be disproportionate merely because it goes on forever.”
But, even granting your libertarian account and your suffering-laden theosis,
and as one who does believe there are both certain epistemic distancings
that do go on forever as well as hierarchies of beatitude (per degrees of glory
in terms of scope not intensity per secondary not primary beatitudes), still, in
my view, any degree of an infinite ill being remains a disproportionate
punishment of a finite person & unmitigated frustration of one’s end. That
infinite evil would not outweigh the finite good of a libertarian human
freedom.
In very large measure, then, arguments like my own, weakly informed, or even
Dr. Hart’s, remarkably informed, rely very much on appeals to others’
common sense & sensibilities. We’re begging mothers & fathers, daughters &
sons, to not bracket their moral intuitions or set aside their aesthetic
sensibilities when thinking about God’s love & mercy.So, that’s where our
deepest impasse is, Fr JD, not in some justifying principle that distinguishes
duration from gravity. I find Calvinism, Libertarian Infernalism & Compatibilist
Infernalism to be equally repugnant, aesthetically, and unintelligible, morally.
I’m not judging those who hold these positions but am here to admonish
them regarding the dangers of their blindness becoming willful.
Fr JD, you wrote: “I myself simply deny that God allowing people to reject His
grace indefinitely would count as an instance of Him positively intending that
it occur (they are not ‘morally equivalent’), and so I am affirming that it is
possible for God ‘merely to permit’ people to reject His grace in that way.”
re: An evil cannot be redeemed unless that evil ceases to exist, at some time
or another.
I think we have all properly zeroed in on the fact that this premise is not just
propositional but also dispositionally loaded.
Those of us who don’t find it contentious believe that most others, who’d turn
within to truly consult, introspectively, what we believe to be humankind’s
most ubiquitously shared common sense, moral intuitions & aesthetic
sensibilities as reside within their hearts, won’t find it controversial.
If, by introducing this informal element, any syllogistic sport get’s disrupted,
well, I say, good riddance.Fr JD, you wrote: “I was merely pointing out that the
analogy with double effect reasoning would not show us that God would be
intending evil if He were to permit a disproportionate evil effect.”
Fr JD, you wrote: “Nor does it involve frustrating achieving the end of the
human being, since the theosis (which we can grant is the end of the human
being) continues dynamically forever.”
Fr JD, you wrote: “If you believe there is no sound argument against these
views, but only a bare intuition that they are false, then it would be helpful to
state that.”
If you believe that syllogistic reasoning bereft of the fast & frugal heuristics
our common sense, moral intuitions & aesthetic sensibilities, arguably all
divinely connatural (even when inchoately formed & fallibly accessed),
suffices for apologetics, it would be helpful to state that.
Those deeply ingrained evaluative dispositions play an indispensable role in
our forced, vital & live options when we leap past nihilism, solipsism,
subjective idealism, pantheism, objective materialism, materialist monism,
subjective materialism, Calvinism and libertarian & compatibilist
infernalisms.
I reject all of these alternatives using the oldest knife in the philosopher’s
drawer – the reductio ad absurdum.
Fr JD, you wrote: “Specifically, I think universalism can only be true if there is
a mistaken view of the relation between nature and grace, such that it is
literally impossible for anyone to reject God’s grace definitively.”
I did read all 3 of your articles and I’ve shared here & elsewhere my views of
why an artificial extrinsicism is wrong.
For imagoes Dei, only distinctions per degrees of indwelling make any sense,
e.g. growing in likeness, theosis, epectasy, holiness, intimacy, etc.
That is to say, for Christ’s sake, look beyond (not without) the analogia &
abandon your preoccupations with being adopted!
The Trinity thus inverts Joan Osborne to flip the script: “What if YOU were one
of us?”
It’s not that we’ll enjoy onto-equality with the Trinity’s nondeterminate nature,
which we’ll only ever “signify.” It’s just that such an equality with God is truly
nothing to be grasped after, even by Jesus!
Through Him, With Him & In Him, we’ll thereby enjoy, with the Trinity, the
identical perichoretic communal delights they’ve shared eternally!
John Sobert Sylvest April 14, 202 3 Uncate gorize d
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