4 Runner OM617 Conversionnotes

4Runner Conversion Notes
Since Brian has decided not to be helpful anymore, I have spent several hours scouring internet
forums for tips to help complete this conversion. Some of this may be good advice and some may not
be. You may have even already figured out how to deal with these issues in a better way. I'm just
presenting all the information I could find to you guys in case it can be helpful. Use your judgement.
And if you have any other issues that I can help research, please let me know.
My questions for the machine shop:
Was the fuel sending unit replaced yet?

Did you re-time the IP after replacing timing chain?
Is it advisable to advance the timing a degree or two? Maybe to 26 or 27 degrees?
Was the drip tube for the IP replaced when timing chain was replaced?
Is it possible to modify motor mounts to lower engine enough to clear hood?
How much would it cost to do so, using current mounts as a model?
Was the fuel neck changed to accommodate diesel pumps?
Can we do a compression check when the job is finished?
Is it possible to delete the EGR?
Parts still left to use from Mercedes:
If possible, use Mercedes exhaust to build new exhaust for 4runner.

Coolant surge tank from Mercedes maybe be better than Toyota surge tank. Use your judgment.
Use steering cable from Mercedes and plastic guide from 4runner for throttle cable.
Any hoses that do not work from conversion kit, try hoses from Mercedes.
It may be possible to use the vacuum hard line off vacuum pump to connect to brake booster and help with
vacuum issues on the conversion, such as engine shut-off.
Some people had comments about the TDswaps conversion kit
This info may or may not be needed, but some people have said that the bolt holes on TDswaps bell housing
adapter may have been drilled 3/8" instead of the 27/32" needed. May need to tap it to 12 x 1.25mm in order to
use correct bolts.
Tachometer Conversion
I ordered a Dakota Digital convertor to make the tachometer work. It is being shipped directly to the shop. It
takes a signal from the "W" terminal of the alternator and then "high v8" output is wired to the tachometer input.
It will require some calibration. For more information, go to the website below.
http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=128/category_id=287/home_id=59/
mode=prod/prd128.htm
Flywheel machining
Was the flywheel re-drilled correctly? These photos below show how the Toyota flywheel needs to be
machined. I believe the pilot bearing (supposedly supplied by TDswaps) is used for the template to drill the
holes.
Fans, AC condensers and Radiator space issues (if not already resolved)
Possible space saving ideas:
1) Could a pair of 10" or so slim fans fit within core support, in front of radiator if AC condensers were move
forward as much as possible? Perhaps even trimming the grill if necessary?
2) One person suggested moving the AC condensers behind the transfer case and attaching an AUX fan.
3) Is it possible to mount the smaller ac condenser, along with oil cooler, below radiator and behind bumper
allowing space for fans in grill?
4) Would it be possible to use a thinner, crossflow aluminum radiator to save space? Perhaps 4 core from
JEGS? Could a smaller aftermarket radiator fit within core support allowing space for a fan behind it? Here is a
link to a slim radiator: http://www.genesisautoparts.com/all_aluminum_radiator-toyota-pickup-1989.htm I think it
is only about 1" thick, but it might be too long. Another slim radiator:
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/52009/10002/-1?
CAWELAID=1710699125&catargetid=230006180000109933&cadevice=c&&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CJSTvvW-
2LsCFWUV7Aodqm0Aog
5) Is is a good idea to notch radiator support crossmember and move radiator forward 1-2" to make room for
fan behind radiator? Could notching be avoided with a smaller radiator?
Slim fan options:

Tauras / Villager 2 speed fan and dcc controller
Flex fan from Jegs Perfomance, I was told they have some that are only 1 1/4" deep.
Spal fans offer high performance in thin bodies.
Sidewinder fan is only 1 5/8" thick, but it is very expensive. It costs over $400.
http://www.mattsonscustomradiator.com/side-winder.html
I believe a total of about 2000cfm is adequate.
Oil Pan Clearance to tie rods and oil intake modifications
If the oil pan must be cut further back to clear the tie rods, use curved metal pipe to make inside corner and
gain more space over using typical 'L" angle. Move steering stabilizer behind tie rods. If the drain plug must be
re-tapped, I believe the size of the drain plug is 12 x 1.5, but I'm not certain. If the oil intake must be cut off,
and turned 180 degrees towards the front, I'm including some pictures of how others have done this. I'm also
including pictures of other people who have successfully modified these oil pans to clear. One person also
made the oil pan 2" deeper to make up for the lost space. That is why they welded on the extension for the
intake in the pictures below. This is just to provide an example, and I'm sure there are other solutions as well.
Air filter routing option
Examples of how other people have routed their air intake and some other hoses.
Battery and surge tank mounting
These pictures show examples of how other people have mounted their battery and surge tank.
Oil Cooler
Here are some tips I read about regarding the placement of the oil cooler and dealing with changes of hose
lengths:
Mount below radiator behind bumper.
Convert lines to JIC endings if necessary.
Have lines made at hydraulic shop if cheaper.
Use stainless braided lines with swivel ends if necessary.
AC compressor mounting
These photos show examples of how others have mounted their Ac compressor brackets.
Exhaust downpipe and heatshielding
Most people recommend removing the flex pipe attached to the turbo exhaust and welding a new downpipe to
the exhaust flange. I have already ordered this new down pipe, and it is being shipped directly to the shop.
Here is the model I ordered:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEP-122001/?rtype=10
Some of the exhaust from the Mercedes car can be used to create new exhaust system. Needs to be at least
2.5-3" wide all the way back. No muffler should be necessary. Heat shielding is necessary to save starter from
heat damage, and possible along the transmission, depending on how close they end up being. The rest of the
pictures are just examples of how other people have run their exhaust. I would prefer my exhaust exit to the
side of the vehicle, behind the rear wheel, if possible. Try to route exhaust above crossmembers for protection
from rocks. It may be a good idea to run exhaust straight out passengers side, and switch the fuel lines to the
driver's side to keep them away from each other.
Shifter hole
Since the r150 transmission had to be moved back several inches, the shifters will change position inside the
cab. Here are some pictures of how others solved this issue.
Gauges and sensors

I'm including pictures of how someone tapped a boost gauge and a water temp sensor. Sorry these pictures
appear distorted. I'm not sure why they look like that and if they are really any help.
Tensioner for belt drive accessories

Here is how one person made a bracket with a tensioner. This is where he was mounting his alternator, but the
same idea could be used for other accessories as well.
Throttle cable
It's best to take the throttle control cable from the Mercedes for this part, because it is longer and works better
than the Toyota one. Use the 1/4 circle cable guide from the Toyota. Make bracket to hold throttle cable into
place.
Engine height issue - hood clearance options
I can only see three options with our engine height issue.
1) A minimum body lift (1-2")
2) Cutting a whole and adding a hood scoop, or depending on the exact engine height, perhaps we can just
notch some of the supports under the hood.
3) Remaking the motor mounts (that we already bought from TDswaps) to lower the engine an inch or two.
Here are some pictures of someone who decided to cut a hole in their hood. Sorry they are poor quality
pictures. I'll find aftermarket scoops at a later time. Some people were able to just notch into the hood
supports, without cutting a hole and using a hood scoop. It depends on the motor mounts. Here is a link to a
possible hood scoop if necessary to make a hole. The scoop is towards the bottom of the page, second item
from the last at $125. http://www.toyotafiberglass.com/4runner_10.html Instructions for installing this particular
scoop can be found here: http://toyotafiberglass.com/doc/Hood_scoop_install.pdf There are more scoop
options available. This was just the first one I came across.
Issues caused by moving transmission back
There will be a couple issues to address since we moved the r150 transmission about 4” further back. A longer
speedometer cable may be needed if there isn't enough slack. We may need to run new hard line for clutch
slave, and if we do so, it's important to avoid running next to the exhaust due to possible heat damage. Also,
some people recommended using a 2x4 and hammering the firewall back a little to help clear the bell-housings
new location.
Engine Shut-off suggestions
Slide a vacuum hose over the shut-off solenoid. Take that line to a power-off-open valve and from there go to
a T-fitting in the line going from the vacuum pump to the brake booster. Use the ALDA solenoid and the electric
vacuum solenoid for the shut off. Sorry I couldn't find more info at this time. If this becomes an issue later on,
I'll do more research on it at that time.
A Tip on the glow plugs
I'd like to get some good gauge wire going to the plugs, set so that if one burns out, the other 4 will still get
power. Then run the wire to a relay. And from that relay wire run one to the battery and one to an ACC ON
ONLY wire, then maybe to a switch, then to the battery. This allows the glow plugs to turn on simply by turning
the key on, then after starting, the glow plugs wilt shut off and give the starter the full power of the batter.
Some Additional Wiring Info

Mercedes glow plug controller:
Blk w/ red - switched power
Brown - ground
Blue w/ white - indicator light
purple - safety switch (not needed
Toyota alt plug:

Red - switched power
small white - switched power
big white - glow plug controller main power
Use same switched hot wire for the shut off solenoid as the glow plug controller.
Information about "senders'

I don't know if this is helpful or not, but just in case here it is.
Sender Low (ohms) High (ohms) Sender thread
Fuel tank 110 = empty 3 = full n/a
OIl Pressure = = ⅛” x 28 BSP
Coolant Temp 24 = Hot/239F 147 = 140F/Cold .
Cold start injector STA-STJ=20-40 STA-STJ=40-60 STA-D=Gnd
Time switch below 30 degrees C above 40 degrees C 20-80
Injector resistor 2-3 ohms each
No10 or No20 to B+ n/a
Possible Tuning extras
Advance IP timing a little. To 26-27 degrees BTDC?
Remove turbo overboost
Adjust ALDA, don't remove it
Manual boost controller
Delete EGR
Turn up IP pump
Turn full load adjustment screw in
15000
-3000
3.4 supra om617 2o/22r
8400
partes y wsho 12000 12000 8500
instalacin 3600 3600 3000 3000
wiring 3000 3000 800
recupe motor 23300 -4000 -4000
recup de trompa -4500 -3000
18800 11600 11800 11500
Dmarsh4X4's OM617 swap to 1988 4Runner

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d User Well I have been looking for a fourm to post my swap and
Personal this one seems to be the best. I have always wanted
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(0) putting a cummins in my suburban and still probably will at
some later date. I have always loved Toyota 4X4 and have
Join had several of them over the years, So when a friend at
Date: Jul work said he needed to git rid of his old 4Runner and I
2011 could have it if I wanted to pick it up, thats when this swap
Location: started. I have researched this swap for some time now
Tehachap across different vehicles and taking what I think are the
i Ca. best ideas and putting my own spin on things. I will be
Posts: 77 trying to make this swap bolt in with little or no major
modifications to the vehicle, and if every thing is good after
testing on my vehicle, and there is enough intrest I could
be persuaded to make the seperate componets or kits
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dmarsh4 The two most difficult parts of this swap (and most
x4 expensive) are the flywheel and adapter plate. Here is how
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Personal The flywheel is the Toyota 6 cylinder, 4 of the existing
Sales holes match up to OM617 crank pattern you just need to
Rating: open them up a size or two, then I turned some round
(0) stock on a lathe to make 4 pluges for the other holes and
[OP] tack welded in place ( you can see the welded plugs in the
picture). Then on a mill I drilled the remaining 8 holes. A
Join Date: hole drill guide could be used on a drill press to do this
Jul 2011 also. If any one is intrested in a drill guide let me know, I
Location: could whip some up.
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dmarsh4x All the swaps I have seen so far use the matching starter for what ever
4 transmission is used (Jeep, Chevy, Toyota ). From the other Toyota
Registered swaps I have seen, I know the Toyota starter causes issues with the
User exhaust down pipe, so I went with the Mercedes stock starter. The ring
Personal gear on the Mercedes flywheel is slightly smaller in diameter than the
Sales Toyota so it would be an easy swap. I removed the ring gears from
Rating: (0) both flywheels gently with an air chisel, you could also support
[OP] the flywheel ring gear side down and heat the ring gear and it will fall
right off. I then machined down the Toyota flywheel in a lathe to match
Join Date: the Mercedes, heat up the Mercedes ring gear to around 250 deg. and
Jul 2011 drop it in place. ( If any one is intrested when I pull my motor for final
Location: assembly I can get more pictures and dimensions.)
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dmarsh4x Here is my pilot bearing/flywheel adapter

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Making final fit adjustment on Redneck lathe (AKA drill press.)

Flywheel bolted to motor
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11-19-2011,
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RBX Subscribed, nice adapter

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11-19-2011,
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dmarsh4x4 Here is how I made my adapter plate, the hardest part was trying to
Registered User figure out how to center the trans input shaft to the pilot bearing, this
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[OP] I used a hole saw to put a hole in the center of my plate the size for
the small diameter of pilot bearing adapter to fit in ( I think it was 1
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You will use the pilot bearing adapter to center in the Mercedes crank.
using transfer bolts in the back of the Mercedes block (I made mine
on a lathe but you could probably make them on a drill press with a
file.)
After drilling the adapter plate, to get the two dowel pin locations, I
used the stock Mercedes motor to trans adapter and lined up all the
holes in the two plates using drill bits and what ever I had that was a
tight fit, I drilled through the dowel pin holes. Now the Mercedes
patern is centered to the crank. Next post I will show how I centered
the input shaft to the Toyota bell housing pattern.
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pyrojoe22 This is a pretty helpful thread for finding what holes to use and
Registered User to not use, when you're drilling through the mercedes stock
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http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...=645413&page=3
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REAR: 63" chevy's, 6 1/2" shackles, home made hangers, V6
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dmarsh4x4 Thanks pyrojoe, I have seen that post early on in my saerches

Registered User for this swap, I even started making my adapter like that one,
Personal Sales but even after cutting the thickness of the stock Mercedes plate
Rating: (0) as thin as possible it was still to thick , at a little over 1", the
[OP] input shaft of the trans would not even be near pilot bearing,
and there was not a easy way to determine crank center, to line
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11-19-2011, 07:58 PM #9
pyrojoe22 I'm not trying to use that adapter plate, I just meant that you
Registered User could tell with that thread, which holes you don't need to
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11-20-2011, 04:17
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RBX Impressive. Keep the knowledge coming.

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dmarsh4x4 Thanks RBX, I looked through your thread last night and it is quite
Registered impressive, I am shure to be using some of your ideas later, especially
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11-20-
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dmarsh4x For centering on the bell housing I used the same aproach using the pilot
4 bearing to center everything on the intput shaft.
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I leveled the trans side to side across the shifter openings, then leveled
the plate across the two top holes previously drilled for the Mercedes
motor mounting, this will give you 0 degeres clocking on the trans. The
input shaft has a little play in it so I made a mark on the plate at the top
of the trans with the weight of the plate pulling the input shaft play
down, then moved the plate up and made another mark, the middle
between the two marks is center of the input shaft play, this is where
you want to clamp your plate to the bell housing.
At this point I drew a tight outline around the trans and transfer punch
the holes, the holes on the trans are tapered quite a bit, (larger on front
of bell housing) making it difficult to line up the punch. After the holes
are transfred I removed the bell housing and lined it up on my outline
and visualy checked that my punch marks lined up centered in the holes,
made any adjustment needed, I cut out the plate, I used a jig saw for
the hole in the center, I had access to a band saw and used it for the
outside then drilled and taped the holes.
An easy way to keep your tap square is to start the tap in the drill press.
I will post locating the starter next.

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11-20-2011, 08:13
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22REFORME Out door shop? Cool

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B-yodaful Awesome just bought the donor car for this same swap. Your
Registered User thread is going to be a huge help. Keep it uP
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11-20-2011,
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dmarsh4x4 Yeah real cool, 40 deg. with chance of snow later LOL. Shop is a little
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We recently moved here and my shop is still in progress. I need to

pour some concrete and put up my metal building attached to the
storage container. The container will house all the machine shop
equipment, lathe, mill, tigwelder, tools and storage, the mig welder,
tube bender and two post lift will be in metal building.
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pyrojoe22 I'm anxiously awaiting the moment you drop the motor in. I took
Registered User some measurements this morning, and boy it's gonna be tight.
Personal Sales Everyone else that's done the swap has cut their
Rating: (0) front support bracket just to fit everything behindthe radiator. Was
supposed to be 70 here yesterday..... it was 38. Still shooting paint
anyways lol. Do you have any idea yet what you'll be doing for
alternator/power steering pump/ac compressor?
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RBX Thanks for the tips on the adapter. I'm rooting for you to have
Registered User an easy swap. Looking forward to your results.
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PowerstrokeJoe Dmarsh- You sir are a genius! I tell you what I was nervous as a
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11-21-2011, 06:38 AM #19
RBX Dmarsh,
Registered User I saw your reply to pyroJoe's thread about
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few specifics about
the a/ccompressor bracket mount adapter for
all the kids playing along at home? Also, you
mention you are relocating thealternator to
the where the p/s was, so is the p/s steering
going to live low on the block like the stock
MB a/c?
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11-21-2011, 05:03 PM #20
dmarsh4x4 RBX, Here are a couple shots of what I have

Registered User so far it's still in the design stages, so thing
Personal Sales Rating: (0) my change a little. As for my P/S pump I will
[OP] be using a TC style from a late 90's or early
200? GM, have to see what I can find at P&P,
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A/C mounting
GM alternator mounting in progress, again
only tacked
With alternator and belt
oy... you cut your front clip too. Please

tell me you're putting it back together
after the swap and not just leaving the
grill off
Other than that, looks simple enough.

What's the amperage on that GM alt?
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shackles, home made hangers, V6
4.88's ARB. RB 1" BL, line x in the
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11-21-2011, 06:28 PM #22
dmarsh4x4 pyrojoe, I cut the front support only so I could install

Registered User and pull motor and trans together it will be replaced
Personal Sales Rating: (0) after every thing is done. You can install motor seperate
[OP] with out cutting the support but then you have to bolt
up trans from underneath.
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I am using the stock Mercedes radiator in the stock

Toyota location
The alt is 63 or 72 amps now, but I am giong to rebuild
it to 120 amps.
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pyrojoe22 I'm not going to worry about cooling till I have the engine closer
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PowerstrokeJoe Great Progress! Your thread has been so helpful. I am going to

Registered User start on my pilot bearing adapter soon. What is the outer
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Using the router

Showing the bottom bearing router bit
Finisherd starter mounting

You could also use this method with a wood pattern to cut out the
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I should be finishing up the alt bracket tommorrow, then on to the
trasfercase mount.
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Here is one showing all the belts
This one shows my clearance to the radiator, not quite enough room for
a fan, but at least I was able to mount theradiator in the stock location
Here is another one of my radiator clearance
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pyrojoe22 How are you goin to mount the fuel filter now?

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Front view there is plenty of room for pusher fans without A/C
condensor. so I will have to get creative and see what I can do when
I mount the A/C condensor
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condensor, oil cooler, and pusher fans behind the grill. It will be
AWESOME if it works. And could you by chance pull the
measurements off your merc radiator please ? I'd like to compare it
to the 22-RTE rad I'm looking at.
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dmarsh4x4 Pyrojoe - the mearsuments on the radiator are about 22" wide and

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The other advantage of this radiator is the the hose connections work
for the motor in fact I will use the Mercedes top hose
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condensor, but that involves
modifiying the grill and A/C lines,
the other option I am looking at is
moving the radiator towards the A/C
condensor about 1 1/2" but that
involves modifying the core support
and notching the front frame cross
support a little for clearance on the
radiator bottom tank, but that would
let me run a 12" flex fan on the
motor or a 18" to
20" electric fan behind the radiator, I
am also looking at this new fan
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mounted off to the side and is only 1
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Here are some pictures of my modifyed oil pickup, I milled a rectangle

tobe out of solid stock
The additional higth is to match the depth of the modifyed oil pan
After welding I used a stone to clean and flaten the face to remove any
warpage from welding
On the motor
My power steering pump had the reservoir mounted to the pump so I

modified the the reservoir to be able to attach a hose to and run a stock
remote reservoir
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dmarsh4x4 I have never heard of that set up where two temp probes
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05-12-2012, 02:31 PM #80
dmarsh4x4 draggin209 - In my case

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dmarsh4x4 Well it has been a while I had to drop a used

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here is the retubed front shaft for the 4Runner it

was done with heavy wall tubing,
Next, I will shorten the rear shaft, with an
adapter to go from the yoke to the large tube size
so it will not need to be retubed
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Cleaning up the splined end for adapter

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So you can make an adapter to increase the size of the yoke

Adapter welded on, and machining to match drive shaft ID
Press into shaft and check run out

Weld up, and you have a finished shortend drive shaft, and a couple
hundred extra dollars in your walet.
If you do not have a lathe you can have a shop machine the adapter for
you and still weld it up your self.
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That is what is left of the pump after cleaning with pool acid and water,
below is inside of tank
Anyways I was planing on a two tank system for WVO, and I would like
to not have the stock tank hanging down in front of the rear tire, so I
think I will fab up a tank to go where the spare tire is, it looks like I can
go about 33X24X8 which will be about 27 gal. hope to start on that
next week.
Here is a shot of what I did for trasfer case mount this should work for
now, I did not want to get fancy here as it will be replaced and new
cross member when I go to dual cases.
Other things I have been working on, wiring and mounting accessories
and hoses, started on exhaust, here are a coupl of shots

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technojunki Is that the throttle control that came with your om617 or did you
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08-20-2012, 06:39 PM #89
dmarsh4x4 That is what comes on OM617, I added the bracket to hold

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RLMS Are you going to keep the merc oil filter, or swap to a

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09-20-2012, 03:41 PM #99
dmarsh4x4 JKGen813, I will look for my drawing

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it needs to have a thermostat for the
oil, i think it needs to runs about 215
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JKGen813 Thanks DMarsh, I spoke with Luke at

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Justin, I'm also going to use the

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SS braided lines made at a local
custom hose shop, for the exact
reason DMarsh mentions above.
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tarenja I just came across this thread. Great
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a ?. If I understand correctly you moved the tranny back 4" with
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06-19-2014, 04:06 AM #112
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Do you have any
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So I have a pretty nice 20R I built with about 9K on a fresh

rebuild i did in my truck right now. Runs great, gets decent
economy, sounds good, very tuneable. But it lacks the same
thing that every other person on here complains about. POWER.
I just wish i could have another solid 30-50 hp and any amount
of additional low end tq would be welcomed. I have pondered
the ever-so-common 4.3 swap, early EFI head, T3/T4, and
MegaSquirt II on my balanced 20R bottom end, SBC, 5VZ, 3RZ,
you get the idea. In pondering these swaps, i stumbled across
the famed 1KZ. That quickly got shot down by the exorbitant
price and of course shipping costs because there just aren't any
in Washington State. So i started thinking about diesel swaps.
What a good idea! The TDI is way too complicated (OBD2) and
pre TDI VW's looked like a good option. Power output just
seemed too little. Then the Cummins 4BTA came to mind. Too
freakin huge. I was screwing around on Youtube and found a 4
Runner with a MB Diesel in it. Genius! After that, it was decided.
I was going to do that swap.
So I have done an extensive amount of searching on this swap,

and i love the idea of a near bulletproof engine driving the near
bulletproof toyota drivetrain. I decided to hunt down a 300SD
and after 6-8 months of very very tight budget hunting; I have
found my donor car. I snagged a 1983 MB 300SD for this
particular idea. I was set on finding a donor car for a few
reasons; the first and main one was funding restrictions would
of course permit me to only find a non-running (or very poor
running) donor car. Obviously the second was obviously to have
all the pieces needed to do this swap like vacuum controls and
such. I'll cut to the good part. This car, through a neighbor of a
customer from work, fell into my lap for the best price possible.
FREE!!! I was told it needed a starter and come to find out, all it
really needed was a battery and a set of glow plugs. I have
been driving it for the past week and I hate to say, I have really
gotten attached to this car. I promised myself that I would only
drive this car to work the bugs out, and once the engine was
proven and reliable it would come out and all the possible
leaks/rattles/ticks would get resolved on the engine stand,
pending installation into my 81 shortbox.
In doing my research, i have seen this engine installed in a

multitude of engine bays, with all kinds of advice on all different
aspects. But when i search for any info on this engine into a
toyota pickup or 4 runner, I only seem to come
across 4x4labs.com (I think) adapter, mounts, etc. into an 89 4
Runner. What I am getting at is, I don't believe anyone has
done this swap into a first gen and I will be documenting
everything as i go. Meanwhile, I have lost total interest in my
20R and haven't driven my truck since last weekend when me
and some buddies went out to play in the mud.
I'll post some pics of the car and truck soon and any other sort
of info that I find relevant. I hope to start this project soon,
pending subsequent lack of a daily driver and snow forecasts.
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simple swap, and as
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which does nothing for
those of us that want to
keep a toy manual
trans. I was told there
was a toy adapter but
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I'm not sure whats
going on with him.
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shop that perfected the
swap, wants $900ish
dollars for the adapter
plate and bearing and
you'll have to get
someone to drill your
toy flywheel for you.
The website he gave
(IIRC defiant 4wd) has
some sort of generic
website placekeeper
and no actual info on
the swap or products
they sell.
I just got myself a

bridgeport and am
about to machine the
fackin thing myself
because nobody seems
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I'd be interested in how yours turns out with the bridgeport.
buddy of mine had one and i only got to play with it a few times.
i would also be curious what you would charge to make me
one . i was planning on making my own out of some plate
steel and the machine shop i deal with at work would prolly do
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the tops of the fenders by at least an inch. The OM617
measures around 19" from crank centerline to top of timing
chain bump on the valve cover. So my next question is for
sokoji. What did you do for mounts since you had to cut your
hood to make it clear? Did you use factory mount brackets
from/on the MB and somehow mate them to the Toyota frame
pedestals? If that's the discrepancy, I guess I will just have to

fab up some brackets for the OM617 to sit it lower.
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Personal Sales I'd be interested in how yours turns out with the bridgeport.
Rating: (0) buddy of mine had one and i only got to play with it a few
times. i would also be curious what you would charge to make
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Posts: 24 me one . i was planning on making my own out of some
plate steel and the machine shop i deal with at work would
prolly do the pilot bearing adapter and flywheel re-drill for me
on the cheap.
Not sure what I'd charge yet...want to make sure I get the bugs
sorted out with mine first then I'll think about selling to other
people. I'll let you know if I do end up making a couple tho.
If you want an adapter for the pilot bearing "Kracken" on the

superturbodiesel forums posted specs on the one he made. I
think it could also be used as a guide to drill your flywheel if it
was cut right. I emailed him asking about getting one made as I
don't have a lathe to do so with.
http://superturbodiesel.com/std/om61...er-t-1961.html

12-07-2010, 07:22
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sokoji Yeah right now the om617 is just sitting right on top of some
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installed Hysteer. Since the oil pan is in the front it could cause
issues with the steering and I figured I could lower it later when
I knew exactly how much room I had down there. For example
right now the bottom of the oil pan is flush with the bottom of
my frame.
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12-13-2010, 08:43
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truckman1966 what's really funny is i actually know Kracken through work.

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12-16-2010, 01:30
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smrflng Interested in the adapter plate. And the entire build for that
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12-16-2010, 05:24
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truckman1966 sorry i haven't posted in a while. been crazy busy at work and
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kinds of pre-84 20r/22r/22re stuff?
http://www.yotatech.com/f107/20r-22r-22re-stuff-225963/
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greenbuggy Hey if I had a couple adapters like Kracken has made for me
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onlyn8v Hey sokoji, Have you been able to drive the swap? Any ideas on
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01-02-2011, 10:59
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truckman1966 greenbuggy, yes i would be interested. any idea on cost? i'm on

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01-02-2011, 01:40
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greenbuggy I'm still fielding bids but right now for a steel adapter made to
Registered User Kracken's specs on the superturbodiesel forum I think I can do
Personal Sales $125 shipped and have a couple by the end of January. They
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bolt pattern.
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Posts: 24 I think this is well worth the cost as with the trans and engine
aligned all you need to complete the adapter plate is a set of
center punches and a drill press.
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01-02-2011, 07:49 PM #15
truckman1966 That is a good price, but i want to make sure the input shaft is
Registered User aligned right in the pilot bearing. you gonna do the bearing
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01-04-2011, 09:19
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greenbuggy Quote:
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adapter too? and i didn't like the way kracken had his done.
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If you scroll a few pics down on the thread Kracken started on
superturbodiesel he pressed a bearing into the end of that
adapter, so it aligns the pilot shaft, flywheel and crank all at
once.

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Yeah I have put about 140 miles on the swap so far and its
taken about half a tank. But I have been racing it around a bit.
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02-20-2011, 10:31
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truckman1966 So i couldn't sleep tonight, just laying in bed thinking of all the
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[OP] relay like my 20R is now. and on the other side of the bed, i'm
getting hooked up by the interstate guy with either a couple
group 31HD's or some 8D batteries. should be around 1900-
2000CCA. so i have to fab up my battery
bracket, radiator mount, motor mounts, wiring, fans, coolant
pipes from front of engine to front of bed, adapter plate,
hopefully greenbuggy's pilot bearing adapter, fuel lines, and of
course my 3" exhaust.

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02-21-2011, 07:30 PM #19
Goose1125 Hey guys, sorry to

Registered User interject here, but I just
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from a buddy of mine. It
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here, I guess it would
have to be either the L50
or L52. It's also got a
custom 4.5" lift with
dual bilstein shocks all the
way around. I'm really
interested in doing a diesel
motor swap on this truck
as the 20R is really tired
and losing compression. I
don't know if the trany
thats in it would hold up to
the extra low end torque,
but it seems like an R150F
would. What exaclty would
I need to do to be able to
pull this off? Obviously the
motor mounts need to
changed as well as fuel
system. But I'd really like
to be able to leave the
transmission cross
member alone. Will an
R150F bolt up to what's
already there in place of
the L50? It seems that
Kracken has already
figured out an adapter kit
for this. What trany was
used? What else would I
need to do to make this
work?
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02-23-2011, 06:36 AM #20
truckman1966 theres a search button on

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[OP] links" try that
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still haven't decided. when i do (if i do) go hysteer, i will
probably do what kracken did and modify oil pump pickup
and oil pan to give extra clearance. got my batteries
yesterday for a whopping 1900 CCA! gotta find my gm
rad, (i think a buddy of mine has one i can prolly have for
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02-25-2011, 10:13 PM #23
truckman1966 and as much as i hate to say

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nylon bedbox and i'm figuring
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and batteries are going to
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truckman1966 so my poly toolbox and bedliner are going to have to come out.
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02-27-2011, 04:32
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truckman1966 and for the record, i am getting 2 of these...

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http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=271975
in the bed on the other side i will mount 2 of these...
http://www.interstatebatteries.com/c...Tron+-+950+CCA
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04-24-2011, 11:14
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truckman1966 well more progress, i know it has been a while. i am puting my

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I know i could probably make this but $625 for a bolt together
kit that has already been engineered with all the correct
fasteners will save a lot of headache. then all i have to do is
mounts, cooling system, exhaust and fuel. and of course a little
wiring.
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The Gf and I are going on a camping trip on the second
weekend of June and I hope to be rollin coal on the way over
the pass with my boat!
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04-24-2011, 01:48
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Well I have one for sale if you don't want to make your own.
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truckman1966 a cluster or a tach? i got both and figured i'd go about the same
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05-04-2011, 08:11
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truckman1966 well i know progress has gone a little slow on this one, but i
Registered User ordered my 4x4labs adapter today and it should be here friday-
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Did this last week.

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And got this last week also.

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And then sold the rest of the car with a good trans in it for 250
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Yopar Looking good, soon your truck will be going "glurg glurg glurg
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05-27-2011, 06:59
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truckman1966 well i just did the front main seal, rear main seal, oil
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Jethro, you should be rollin' in no time!
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05-27-2011, 07:43
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ChefYota4x4 Nice YOINK! Great progress, Truckman! Btw, I don't think it's
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You making a tach, or using the one Sokoji offered? lol.
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truckman1966 haven't decided yet. prolly just make one out of the cluster of
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Getting closer?????? .... I'm anxious! lol.
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truckman1966 Here's all the progress I made today. Drove the truck to work at
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All the harness I removed off of the fenders
Drivers fender before

Drivers fender after
Passenger fender after

OM617 on Stand after reseal
OM617 with 4X4labs.com adapter to W56

Droppin 'er in!
On the mounts at last!!!

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ChefYota4x4 DAYUM that looks snug! lol. Awesome work, Truckman! Very
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then rotate, ...etc., is that right?
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truckman1966 we actually went sideways to rotate, then sideways the other way
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large and i am glad i have decided to put the batteries
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know it sucks because it's

sideways. my
videographer (girlfriend)
forgot not to rotate her
phone for video
(apparently she has to
rotate it 90* for pics but
no rotate for video.........
whatever.)
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Seriously though,.... saw that fire up! Get the 'hard start'
figured out? Waiting for the 'next' video, should be
sweet... and DANG that was loud..... straight exhaust for
now?
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truckman1966 the hard start was because i didn't have any glow plugs wired
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to make some more amazing progress. thanks for following irab!
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so i know that's my only issue. and yea. that was ust open
turbo for now. did you hear the turbo spool up??? this thing is
gonna be sweet!!!!!!
Ahhhh! Gotcha
Also, .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it's not

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[OP] Also, .....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, it's not
gonna be sweet............ it's gonna be AN HOUR PAST SWEET!
lol. Can't wait to see that thing FLY! Heck, ..."Fly AND BETTER
MILEAGE, TO BOOT!" lol.
Thanks Chef! gonna start early tomorrow and work on the beast
all day tomorrow. should make some killer progress. i will
supply pics and video if it applies.

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who was thinking about putting one in his truck, after i told him
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moroza I read through sokoji's thread, and studied your pics more
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diesel where the pump on motor does it all?
just researching this motor, & seems far better then a 2l or 1kz
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All the om617 motors are just about the same its not about HP
its all torque. 1985 has the best numbers but just make sure
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I am getting 20psi of boost from a mechanical boost controller.

and the injection pump has a mechanical lift pump on it to suck
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Black smoke doesn't mean more power, it means you are
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spokane and made a banzai run my next day off. been great
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hahhaa... But just the basics, ....running GREAT! Funny,
especially considering that I built this myself and the 40yr
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taking up 300 hours of chasing my tail and eventually.... well,
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[OP] requirements. Any thoughts?

Since i put my radiator in the bed, i trimmed the crap out of the
front rad support and used the stock benz one. the yota
pressure line works perfectly and the return line already had
barbed fittings on it so i could cut the length of hose i needed.
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[OP] What tires are you
running?
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ya what tires are you
running with 3.9 gears??
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up around 3000 rpm at
highway. I have 4.10's
right now
well i ran my axle code
just last week to find out i
have 3.9s and I have
15X8 Cragar Soft 8s with
Maxxis Bighorn
32x11.50x15. got rears up
front with sky's
boomerang shackles (very
nice by the way) axle
moved forward about 2"
because of that, custom
yota pack on the rear,
rancho's, and custom
length driveshafts. it
wheels amazingly. i have
only HAD to put it in low
once for a nasty hill climb
and i'm still open front and
rear since it's my DD
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10-13-2011, 02:46 PM #100
pyrojoe22 with 32's i would think you

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35's with 4.10's and see
how it is before I buy
5.29's for sure. I'll let you
know. And i record my
mileage religiously at
every fill up so I'll be
posting that info on here
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10-17-2011, 09:48 AM #102
moroza Regarding gears, I did some

Registered User math and some homework.
Personal Sales Rating: (0) I've never actually dealt with
buying Toyota parts, so I'd
appreciate some input on the
homework.
On 31's, at 120kph the axles

will be spinning at 821rpm.
With stock 4.10 gearing,
the driveshaft spins at 3369.
Join Date: Mar 2008 With a .838 OD gear (R150
Posts: 169 and 151), the engine will be
at 2823. With a .75 gear
(R154), 2527. I was looking
into using the Supra's R154
as another way to lower
highway gearing, but it has
input shaft incompatibilities
and would probably end up
costing more than buying
front and rear gears. For
someone with machineshop
access, maybe not.
4.10: 2823/2527
3.90: 2685/2404
3.73: 2566/2297, 3062 in
1:1 4th
3.58: 2463/2204, 2939 in
1:1 4th
3.42: 2353/2106, 2807 in
1:1 4th
3.15: 2167
3.07: 2112
What gears came in what

trucks (according to Car-
Part's database for 4wd
axles)
79-80: 4.38
81: 3.90
82-85: 4.10
86-88: 4.10, 4.38
89-92: 4.10, 4.56
93-95: 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88
96-99: 3.58, 3.91, 4.10, 4.56
(cannot use in pre-Taco front
because high pinion)
And for 2WD rear axles:

79: 4.10 (also 4.11 for 3/4
ton)
80: 3.42, 4.10 (also 4.11 for
3/4 and 1-ton)
81: 3.42, 3.58, 3.73 (1/2 and
3/4 ton), 3.91 (diesel), 4.11
(1-ton)
82-83: 3.42, 3.73 (1/2 and
3/4 ton), 3.91 (diesel), 4.11
(1-ton)
84: 3.15, 3.58, 3.73 (1/2 and
3/4), 3.91 (diesel 2wd), 4.10
(1-ton), 4.30 (diesel 4wd)
85: 3.07, 3.42, 3.58, 3.73,
3.90 (diesel and 1-ton), 4.10,
4.30
86-90: 3.07, 3.42 (v6), 3.58,
3.73, 3.90 (1-ton), 4.10 (1-
ton)
91-95: 3.42 (v6), 3.58, 3.73,
3.90 (1-ton), 4.10
96: 3.15 (v6), 3.42 and 3.58
(i4, 8")
What ratios are available in

7.5", 8", and Tacoma 8" (for
upgrading the rear or SAS
front to a TRD e-locker). The
Taco 8" has a different
boltpattern on the gears and
is incompatible with the older
8" diffs.
3.07 - 7.5 and 8, so it'll fit an
SAS or IFS setup but without
the elocker
3.15 - 8 and taco 8, SAS
only, with or without elocker
3.42 - 7.5, 8, and taco 8; sas
or ifs with or without elocker
3.58 - 7.5 and taco 8; ifs
with elocker, or sas with front
and rear elockers
3.73 - 7.5, 8, and taco 8; sas
or ifs with or without elocker
3.90 - 8 and taco 8; sas with
or without elocker
It's that last section that I'm

least sure of.
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Personal Sales Awesome thanks. That sounds straight forward. Im going to
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bacause only a hand full of poeople are doing the swap and
sharing info. I was showing the truck to a guy then other day
who was thinking about putting one in his truck, after i told
him most of what he needed to know /buy i was thinking "Dam
i wish i knew this when i started, could have saved a lot of
money." Anyway the build looks awesome and good luck
I dont think thats really true, I mean if you can get everything
Join Date: Jun 2011 fabbed up its not that bad! just takes time ot be through. Im
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ME the car but ill start soon. My bro and pops will fab everything for
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10-17-2011, 10:11 PM #105
pyrojoe22 i thought these diesel's torque came at the same rpm that the
Registered User 22r's torque comes at, unlike the cummins 4bt whose torque is
Personal Sales there from 0rpm. I won't know how it feels till its in, but 4.10's
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let you guys know once its in. The good thing is I'll get it in
sooner since I won't have to save up for taller gears, granted
the 4.10's work well enough.
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Personal Sales i thought these diesel's torque came at the same rpm that the
Rating: (0) 22r's torque comes at, unlike the cummins 4bt whose torque is
[OP] there from 0rpm. I won't know how it feels till its in, but 4.10's
for this engine with 37" rubber doesnt sound good. I'll
definitely let you guys know once its in. The good thing is I'll
get it in sooner since I won't have to save up for taller gears,
granted the 4.10's work well enough.
The peak tq is in the same area but the curve is totally different.
I can't say what you would or wouldn't like but in my opinion, I
would prefer taller gears. I have been pondering the idea of
Join Date: Aug 2009 doing some trimming and stuffing some 35s in there though
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Washington (numerically higher) gears is the ring gear tooth count increases
Posts: 418 of course. Which is a good thing since fine threads have more
surface contact than course threads making them stronger. But
the other side to that is the pinion gets smaller and less teeth,
effectively making it weaker. And I know someone on here is
going to say "well my 400 hp 22re with dual cases and 7.75 has
never stripped a pinion" that's not what I am getting at. This
diesel makes gobs of tq everywhere. It makes almost as much
tq at idle as the 22re does ever! So unless you are just going
crazy Crawler with your rig, don't gear down. Like I have said
before, I have been sqeaking almost 35mpg out of it. And if you
look at the SAE paper for the development of the OM617A you
would realize the bsfc (brake specific fuel consumption) is more
optimum in the 2400 rpm range. Currently on the freeway, I'm
at 2900 at 70mph in 5th. I would like to lower that a little bit
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Registered I have a question about your alty power, I know there is a little custom
User wiring involved, im not worried about glows or starter or motor kill,
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To be totally honest really well. I weeded out all the BS harness like
[OP]
emissions controls and coil. Stuff like that. And I ended up killing my GM 1

wire so I went from a 60A 80's small case GM alternator to a 145A 2005
K2500 one wire unit with dual belts and haven't had a problem since.

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I opened up the stock MB alt bracket cut a new tension bracker and made
a spacer wasent that bad and its all plug in
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truckman1966 Lol. That alt is tiny!

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[OP] Dual 950CCA industrial batteries, 30A of dual cooling fans, 1200
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Personal Sales Really too bad about the taco incompatibilities cuz a set of the
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3.58 would probably work if you put a Taco diff (E-locker or not)
in both the front and rear of your solid-axle truck. I know it can
be done to the rear 8", and I assume to the front solid-axle 8"
as well.
3.42 would work in any combination as it's theoretically
available in all three sizes/boltpatterns. Actual, real-world
availability is another question, however.
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Personal Sales 3.58 would probably work if you put a Taco diff (E-locker or
Rating: (0) not) in both the front and rear of your solid-axle truck. I know
[OP] it can be done to the rear 8", and I assume to the front solid-
axle 8" as well.
3.42 would work in any combination as it's theoretically
available in all three sizes/boltpatterns. Actual, real-world
availability is another question, however.
That won't work since the front gears drive reverse of the rear

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10-26-2011, 10:37
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Personal Sales That won't work since the front gears drive reverse of the rear
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??????????
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Location: White You know that you can take a rear third and put it in the front,
River JCT, VT that its the tcase that spins in the opposit direstion? or am i
Posts: 200 missing your point?
are you just running your truck on the road with 31s or are you
going to put bigget tires on it? mine did perfect with 33s, 4.10
and non turbo trans now that i have 35s it struggles at take off
and the top end struggles too I just couldent see putting lower
gears in mine.
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Join Date: Oct 2008 Ah ha I see well since im only running a 10A cooling fan and no
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10-26-2011, 03:41 PM #119
pyrojoe22 Quote:
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mine did perfect
with 33s, 4.10 and
non turbo trans now
that i have 35s it
struggles at take off
and the top end
Join Date: Jan 2010 struggles too
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good enough for
35's/37's
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10-26-2011, 04:53 PM #120
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Thank you for that!
Join Date: Oct 2008 I knew 4.10's
Location: White River JCT, VT werent good enough
Posts: 200 for 35's/37's
yeah tons of power
with the 33s then i
got a set of 16.5 6
lug rims and wraped
them with the 37"
goodyear mititary
take offs and it just
about wanted to fall
on its face in first and
second gear so i put
the 37s on the
other 4runnerand
bought 35s for the
diesel and what a
difference but i still
want a little more so i
have a set of 4.30s
that im going to try.
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yeah tons of power with the 33s then i got a set of 16.5 6 lug
rims and wraped them with the 37" goodyear mititary take
offs and it just about wanted to fall on its face in first and
second gear so i put the 37s on the other 4runner and bought
35s for the diesel and what a difference but i still want a little
more so i have a set of 4.30s that im going to try.
Is that with an om617 or with a 22r?

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[OP] Is that with an om617

or with a 22r?
Nevermind. I didn't read
very closely. Did you
think of turning your
pump up? I did mine

while it was still in the
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300sd and made a huge
huge difference. The
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injection pumps are set
up very conservative
from the factory.

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Personal Sales Nevermind. I didn't read very closely. Did you think of turning
Rating: (0) your pump up? I did mine while it was still in the 300sd and
made a huge huge difference. The injection pumps are set up
Join Date: Oct 2008 very conservative from the factory.
Location: White
River JCT, VT Well i had asked you a while back how you got your to blow
Posts: 200 black smoke.
Mine dosent and my thought was that i could just turn up the
boost if i was already blowing black smoke to take advantage of
the extra fuel. then while i was talking with luke from 4x4 labs i
realixed that the alda will dump more fuel with more boost so by
just putting in a boost controller and cranking up the boost.
which would be nice since i can only get 9 psi out of the stock
setup and it would be nice to ahve a little more boost in the hills
of VT. Did you just doo a controller, mess with the alda on the
IP or did you change the settings inside the pump. are you
running a pyro gauge? I heard that you can end up torching the
motor if you mess with the setting inside of the IP too much?
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Personal Sales Well i had asked you a while back how you got your to blow
Rating: (0) black smoke.
[OP] Mine dosent and my thought was that i could just turn up the
boost if i was already blowing black smoke to take advantage
of the extra fuel. then while i was talking with luke from 4x4
labs i realixed that the alda will dump more fuel with more
boost so by just putting in a boost controller and cranking up
the boost. which would be nice since i can only get 9 psi out of
the stock setup and it would be nice to ahve a little more boost
in the hills of VT. Did you just doo a controller, mess with the
alda on the IP or did you change the settings inside the pump.
are you running a pyro gauge? I heard that you can end up
Join Date: Aug 2009 torching the motor if you mess with the setting inside of the IP
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well i don't have my ALDA anymore, i have pulled the top and
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rear cover off the pump and removed the rack limiter, as well as
2.5 turns in on the tq control and 1 turn in on the course idle
adjustment. then backed the external idle stop until it would
return to idle. will blow smoke before it makes boost, gets a nice
haze under full boost and as the rpm increases above 3K rpm,
will add more fuel until redline.
To be totally honest, it feels like about 40%-50% more power

when it was in the benz still. after i had it running the way i
wanted it, i yanked it out for my swap.
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pyrojoe22 One thing that can't hurt, if you're doing a lot of off-roading,
Registered User which with anything bigger than 35's im assuming you are, is
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make 4.10's work, great. But they can only handle so much
torque going through hem before they break. That's not a very
cheap "fuse" in your drive line. Let us know how the taller gears
work if you get them.
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[OP] bigger gears. With rpm's set aside, you will still be safer with
bigger gears with the bigger tires. If you have the power to
make 4.10's work, great. But they can only handle so much
torque going through hem before they break. That's not a very
cheap "fuse" in your drive line. Let us know how the taller
gears work if you get them.
Please explain your reasoning. I know numerous rigs in this area
that have stock axles, v8s and 38s and 40s. So how are the
Join Date: Aug 2009 stock 3.90, 4.10, and 4.38s not strong enough? I've seen
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Rating: (0) area that have stock axles, v8s and 38s and 40s. So how are
the stock 3.90, 4.10, and 4.38s not strong enough? I've seen
twisted driveshafts, crapped transmissions and snapped axles
out of these rigs but still stock original gears in front and rear
of all of them.
well that's good to hear. My off-roading buddy shredded the
stock gears in his ranger when he put a v8 in it, so I just figured
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Personal Sales well that's good to hear. My off-roading buddy shredded the
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[OP] figured bigger gears can't hurt.

Ranger axles are crap anyway. I don't know how many 7.5 and
8.8s I have repaired and replaced at work. And "bigger gears"
isn't exactly the right terminology. They are the same physical
size. The only things that change is tooth pitch, tooth count and
tooth depth. On numerically higher gears (lower final drive)
there is less strain on the ring and pinion because of the
mechanical advantage of the gearing but conversely, they tend
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11-05-2011, 06:10 PM #129
peow130 If you have the cash, and still want to have a pretty tall gear
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You could get a d60/70 from a Dodge 2500, but i'm unsure of
whether or not the drop is on the passengers in the front. Either
way, alot of those axles comes with a 3.55 gear ratio.
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Personal Sales If you have the cash, and still want to have a pretty tall gear
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[OP] would be neat. The d44's would keep the stock 6 lug, but
d60's would get you 8 lug + heavy duty axles.
You could get a d60/70 from a Dodge 2500, but i'm unsure of
whether or not the drop is on the passengers in the front.
Either way, alot of those axles comes with a 3.55 gear ratio.
cool idea but they are heavy as hell and thats a lot of work for
just a ratio change. thanks for the thought!
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bushing and balanced flywheel. Couldn't justify $400 for an
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now. It's just a matter of figuring out the right thickness for the
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truckman1966 i took the factory harness

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great and every parts store
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after trying really hard to get my 3vze running properly, it started
to spit water and work on 4cyl or less when cold so i knew that the
swap time came.
I know that OM617 is popular because of its power but since i
really dont need so much hp, i will be satisfied with the OM616 i
recently bought. Can you give me some advices what to check or
change beside belts before i start to put it in. It has 240k km on it,
comp is within norm, i was thinking only valve
check, water pump replace and belt change.
I will be using Merc starter, ps pump an alternator i hope to keep
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as you can see, unlike on the om617, on om616 oil filter housing gets in the
way for the adapter plate so i had to remove it, will get to it later
here is the distance plate for the flywheel

thanks to dmarsh4x4 for this tricky one haha
it will be easy to get the holes out of that one
and the last one for today with plate leveled up with the tranny, ive also
made some punchmark tools and got the holes marked for tomorrows
drilling etc.
i really get a lot of help from this forum and also from my friend teo4runner
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hooked cooling lines from the scrap pile of leftover tubes from 3vze and
othera various mopeds/motorbikes
also i did short test ride an i am very happy with my
swap, torque converter revs it a bit higher on the uphill but it is ok
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Neetch, take a look at this link, instead of

using a toggle switch to manually control the
fans, use this setup. Us camaro guys have
been using this for our taurus fan setups,
but it will work with any fan really to make it
come on at a pre determined temp
automatically. Uses a volvo fan controller
and a temp sensor out of a BMW (for dual
speed fans, you don't have to use that
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OM617 with auto trans....
Here is the question. I have a 3vz-fe mated to an

auto trans, and a Mercedes OM617 turbo diesel
sitting in my yard. I would like to mate the OM617
to the auto trans, but I'm not sure how the
transmission computer would work with this, and I
have not been able to find any info on the subject.
Can someone give me some advice?
It seems to me that if the E.C.T. was left in

"normal" mode that it might be a good shifting
program for the turbo diesel. I realize that some
transmissions use vacuum to determine when and
where to shift, but I have a feeling that this E.C.T.
is vastly different. I am not familiar with how the
transmission operates and what inputs/sensors it
might use.
Please let me know if this seems like a ridiculous

idea.. part of me would like a manual transmission
but so many times this auto has proven to be very
useful.
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RSR Do you have a 3vze or 3vzfe?

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that there's no prefab adapter
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Regardless, you need to look at

your FSM and then make the call.
Any swaps on these boards w/
autos and non ECM engines
should tell you what you need to
know.
Our Autos look at/for 10 different

sensors for shift patterning...
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Regardless, you need to look at your FSM and then make the
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engines should tell you what you need to know.
Our Autos look at/for 10 different sensors for shift

patterning...
I believe my motor is the 3vze-ca, whatever the california
emmisions v6 is for the 1st gen 4runner.
What is an FSM? Excuse my ignorance, but it kind of seems like

the adapter plate is the lesser of my worries. I was planning on
making one myself.
Thank you for the input on the transmission and its sensors.
That is exactly what I was looking for. Do you have anything
more to add? Do you think this could actually be done, like
maybe finding someone who can program my transmission
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OM617.910[edit]
The very first OM617, a 3.0 L (3005 cc) engine, debuted in 1974 with the W115
chassis. Power output was 80 hp (59 kW)@4000rpm and torque was 17.5 mkg
@2400rpm.[1](
Applications:( (171Nm—126.19 lb-ft)
 1974-1976 240D 3.0 / 300D

OM617.912[edit]
This was introduced with the W123 series. It was originally 80 PS (79 hp/59 kW.)

This engine had a few improvements over the .910, mainly in the air, fuel, and oil
system, to adapt to the 123 chassis. In August 1978 the precombustion chamber
was updated for more swirl and more efficient combustion. The new camshaft
pushed the valves deeper so the air and exhaust gases had less resistance. By
changing the bore to 90.9mm, the engine capacity was lowered to 2998cc to
satisfy engine displacement tax laws in Europe, but power output rose to 88 PS
(87 hp/65 kW). Torque remained at 172 Nm @2400 rpm.[2]
Applications:
 1976-1985 300D
 1977-1985 300D Long
 1977-1981 300CD North American
 1978-1985 300TD
OM617.913[edit]
This was an adaption of the .912 to the T1 chassis. It had a downward facing oil

filter housing.
 1982–1988 209 D / 309 D / 409 D

OM617.931[edit]
This engine was adapted from the .912 to fit the G Class, main difference being
oil pan changes. Like the .912, power was increased in September 1979 to
88 PS (87 hp/65 kW).[3]
Applications:
 1979-1991 W460/W461
OM617.950[edit]
The revised .950 displaced 3005 cc. It was heavily upgraded to withstand the

extra stresses of the turbocharger. Modifications included oil squirters to cool the
underneath of the pistons; sodium filled valve stems and a stronger crankshaft.
Also an uprated chain driven oil pump was fitted as the turbocharger lubrication
required higher flow. In 1978, the OM617.950 was mated with the Mercedes-
Benz W116 to produce the North American market-only 300SD, the world's first
production turbodiesel sedan. Power originally was 111 hp / 82 kW @ 4200 rpm,
torque 23.2 mkg @ 2400 rpm. From October 1979 - 121 hp / 89 kW @ 4350 rpm,
torque 23.5 mkg @ 2400 rpm.[4]
Applications: (227 N-m, 167 ft-lb)
 1978-1980 300SD Turbo
OM617.951[edit]
The .951 was introduced in 1979 and displaced 2998 cc, using a 90.9 mm bore

and 92.4 mm stroke. It was an upgraded .950. Power originally was 121 hp /
89 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 230 Nm @ 2400 rpm. From October 1982 - 125 hp /
92 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 250 Nm @ 2400 rpm.[5]
Applications: (184. Ft-lb)
 1981-1985 300SD Turbo
 1981 300TD Turbo
OM617.952[edit]
The .952 is identical to the .951 apart from minor changes to fit the North

American only 123 chassis. It was also fitted to the European market W123
wagon, the 300TD. This was the only turbocharged OM617 fitted to a European
W123. Power originally was 121 hp / 89 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 230 Nm @
2400 rpm. From October 1982 - 125 hp / 92 kW @ 4350 rpm, torque 250 Nm @
2400 rpm.[6]
Applications:
 1981-1985 300D Turbo
 1981-1985 300CD Turbo
 1982-1985 300TD Turbo
TD27[edit]
The TD27 measures 2.7 L (2664 cc) with a pre-combustion chamber.
Common in post-1990 D21 Nissan Navara UTEs and pre-1991 Nissan

Terrano 3-door wagons.and Nissan Forklifts model:FGD02A32Q
TD271[edit]
 90 PS (66.2 kW; 88.8 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 18.4 kg·m (180 N·m; 133 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Atlas 2 ton H40 series from 1986 to 1991

TD272[edit]
 85 PS (62.5 kW; 83.8 bhp) @ 4300 RPM

 18.0 kg·m (177 N·m; 130 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Terrano Grid series D21, 1986–1992

Nissan Atlas 1 ton series F22 & F23, 1986–1999
Nissan Homy & Caravan series E24, 1994–1997
Datsun Truck series D21, 1988–1996
London Taxis International Fairway Driver, 1989–1997
TD273[edit]
 100 PS (73.5 kW; 98.6 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 18.0 kg·m (177 N·m; 130 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Datsun Truck series D22 from 1997 to 2002

TD274[edit]
 85 PS (62.5 kW; 83.8 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 16.9 kg·m (166 N·m; 122 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Atlas 1 ton series F23 from 1999 to 2004

TD27 Turbo[edit]
A turbocharged version of the TD27 was fitted to post 1991 Nissan Terrano D21
5-door wagons and post 1991 Nissan Navara UTE D21. Also used as the diesel
option in Nissan Homy and Caravan vans.
This engine was also fitted to LTI's Fairway series and the TX1 series .

TD27T1[edit]
 100 PS (73.5 kW; 98.6 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 23.5 kg·m (230 N·m; 170 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Homy & Caravan series E24 from 1988 to 1993

TD27T2[edit]
 100 PS (73.5 kW; 98.6 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 22.0 kg·m (216 N·m; 159 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Terrano and Datsun Truck series D21 from 1988 to 1996
TD27T3[edit]
 100 PS (73.5 kW; 98.6 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 24.8 kg·m (243 N·m; 179 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Mistral series R20 from 1994 to 1997

TD27T4[edit]
 115 PS (84.6 kW; 113.4 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 24.8 kg·m (243 N·m; 179 lb·ft) @ 2200 RPM
Nissan Terrano series D21 from 1994 to 1995

TD27Ti[edit]
Intercooler added
 110 PS (80.9 kW; 108.5 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 24.7 kg·m (242 N·m; 179 lb·ft) @ 2400 RPM

TD27ETi[edit]
electronically controlled turbocharged intercooler
 130 PS (95.6 kW; 128.2 bhp) @ 4000 RPM

 28.4 kg·m (279 N·m; 205 lb·ft) @ 2000 RPM

Nissan Mistral series R20 1998 model year
Nissan Terrano series R50 from 1995 to 1999
How to ID a R151F tranny?
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Join Date: Oct 2004 wrecker, there is nowhere on the tranny that he can see R151F
Location: Calgary, stamped on it. Apparently the bellhousing on the R151F's has a big
AB rubber plug at the bottom compared to the little weeping hole of
Posts: 25 other's. I know the T-case has 23 splines, but it's still married to the
tranny, and I don't think the guy wants to seperate them just so I can
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Fahrenheit 451 >>I'm looking at buying a R151F tranny off an '87 4Runner Turbo<<

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86 TurboSR5 My 2wd has an R-150 on it. 5 speed .

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Personal Sales >>I'm looking at buying a R151F tranny off an '87 4Runner Turbo<<
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[OP] Likely just proving my ignorance, but I thought all the turbo 4Runners
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bottom and it has a chart for IDing the tranny based on the input
bearing #
Thanks for the info. I did more searching, and now see that the R151F
only came on '86-'87 Turbo pickups, and not 4Runners. Is this correct,
cause I think this guy is telling me it's off a 4Runner.? Thanks

06-04-2005, 05:37 PM #5
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Personal Sales Apparently the bellhousing on the R151F's has a big rubber plug at
Rating: (0) the bottom compared to the little weeping hole of other's..... Is there
a solid way of easily identifying these?
You answered your own question. Just look for that big (~4") rubber
plug. R151F's are the only Toyota truck tranny to have this.
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almond_oxide_2 OH MY GOD!!! THIS THREAD JUST HELPED ME SO MUCH!!! I have

been freaking out about the hole on the bottom of the R151F Tranny. I
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I will start by saying that I'm not the first person to do this and that the inspiration came from this build
The truck is a 1992 Toyota 4Runner, that I have spent some time building into a weekend wheeler. I sw
the axles, larger tires, and re-enforced the frame where i had to remove some bracing.
The engine that I put into the truck is a om617.951 out of an 83sd. The project is a work in progress, an
The old 22RE it still ran great, but was lacking in both power and efficiency.
Engine and tranny out
Mercedes test fit
One of the major issues that I ran into was that the high steer on my front axle just so happened to be
problem would have been to add a body lift to the truck, but I wanted to keep my center of gravity as lo
possible.
My friend and roommate is training to become a machinist so he made up an adapter to hold the pilot b
lathing adapter
drilling pilot holes
drilling holes
Re drilled flywheel 6 new holes then 6 that were on the edge of the toyota pattern
installed
So on to the adapter
I know that it looks rather archaic, but it has been working splendidly for the past 8 months.
Engine bolted up to the G58 Toyota trans.
The starter bolts right on to the toyota bell-housing.
With a little bit of filing on the stock Mercedes mount I was able to use the stock Toyota alternator.
It doesn't look like it in the pic, but the alternator does line up with the crankshaft pulley.
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Smokin like a champ!
Nice!! Thanks for the pics! Keep up the good work, keep us updated on your p
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Naturally-aspirated
Evan fabbed up some engine mounts from one of the stock rear link arms. They
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Frame ground down for the new mounts.

New mount tacked in place
Evan also modified the oil pump pickup and oil pan to clear the High-Steer arms
The clearance Issue.
Modified Pan
Modified Pickup
The engine harness and some of the modifications that I had to do to it.
Alternator Wiring
Whole Engine And Transmission Harness
I ended up removing about 85 to 90 percent of the wire in the engine compartm
alternator, and starter wiring. I did have to add in some wiring for the electric fa
This engine is much longer that the stock 22RE, the crankshaft pulley sits where
I almost have to pull the fan shroud in order to change either of the belts.
Upper rad support

Mercedes power steering pump
The only bodywork that had to be done to make the engine fit.
It's tight, but it does close all the way
Oil pan
Pyro Gauge
Oil Cooler
I had to clearance the back side of the grill so that it wouldn't hit the radiator.
Power Steering/ Vacuum Assembly
The Toyota power steering lines bolted directly up to the Mercedes pump, and it
better than it ever did with the stock Toyota pump.
Fan Shroud
Turbo, Exhaust, Exhaust Temp Gauge
I ended up destroying that turbo, turns out that there was some debris in the oi
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Superturbo Good job on the conversion. Looks like it will be a fun truck to drive.
What are specs on the Toyota Alternator? i.e. amps.
Could you post more pics of the setup and wiring connections?
This looks like a good alternative to the standard benz alternator if the amps s

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Naturally-aspirated By this point I had been driving the truck for a little over a month.
This has to of been the worst Birthday present that I have ever gotten.
I managed to destroy 1st gear, just driving around town.
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First gear is toast.

The input shaft bearing is fine, there is virtually no slop in it. Or at the very leas
in in the first place. So as far as I can tell the transmission just couldn't handle
either.
I had been wanting to upgrade to one of the stronger Toyota transmissions, but
is one of the weakest transmissions that they put in these trucks. So after searc
a W56 with the better transfer-case, gear drive instead of chain, which has the
I have been driving with this engine since the beginning of April and have been
box, and hopefully add some sort of intercooler to try and squeeze out a little m
Close to how she looks now, I can't seem to be able to find my camera.
(11-12-2010 03:33 PM)DeliveryValve Wrote: Good job on the conversion. Lo
What are specs on the Toyota Alternator? i.e. amps.
Could you post more pics of the setup and wiring connections?
This looks like a good alternative to the standard benz alternator if the amps su
Almost all of the wiring connections that were made are soldered together, and
of the engine bay to the other.
The highest amp alt that Toyota made for those years with 4 cylinder engines is
output alternators, but they are rather expensive. I know that some guys will pu
tried it yet.
Here are some pics of the wiring.
I ended up using one of the vacuum solenoids that was on the 22RE for the eng
using a Ford starter relay as my glow plug relay.
Oil pressure sender drilled and tapped into the turbo feed line banjo bolt.
My rats nest of battery wiring. This will be getting changed when I build an air b
fuse / relay holder when I build a proper filter housing.
Stock loom with a 2awg battery lead for the dual batteries.
Oh on a side note the radiator is out of an 89 Toyota van wagon. The lower hose
baffle has been added to that side as well to keep fluid flowing properly. So far i
(This po
11-12-2010 03:34 PM
Post: #6
300D50
RE: OM617 4Runner
Graphite Moderator, ala RBMK EPIC! I love how that turned out!
I too know how well a plate steel adapter plate can function, had one on m
Posts: 775 There's a bosch alt from a Saab turbo that's a bolt-in on the benz, forgot
Joined: Aug 2009
Location: CNY Liking the flywheel adapter, very ingenious way to center everything. How
clutch and input shaft?
How's the Toy starter holding up?
What's acceleration like, still able to make the on-ramps and merge ok?
What's the diffy ratios? You said you changed em but I didn't see what to
Amazing so far!
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 /w bad headgasket(s) <-- under the knife, SOHC
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My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
11-12-2010 07:26 PM
Post: #7
ben2go
RE: OM617 4Runner
Diesel Dumby Purdy good install.Any mpg numbers?
I am rather fond of the Toyota 22R and RE line of engines.I had one with a 5
80's Celica.

1990 Mercury Blue Max Cougar 3.8L with Automatic
Posts: 129 Future OM617 Super Turbo Diesel Conversion with T56 6 Speed Manual
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Location: Upstate SC,USA
11-12-2010 07:59 PM
Post: #8
kracken
RE: OM617 4Runner
Naturally-aspirated (11-12-2010 07:26 PM)300D50 Wrote: Liking the flywheel adapter, very inge
engagement do you have between the clutch and input shaft?
How's the Toy starter holding up?

Posts: 7
Joined: Oct 2010 What's acceleration like, still able to make the on-ramps and merge ok?
What's the diffy ratios? You said you changed em but I didn't see what to.
100% engagement, the crank sticks further out of the block on the Mercedes th
The acceleration is fine, but I do wish that it had a little bit more top end power.
limiter one of these days, I do have two extra pumps sitting around just in case
Stock gears were 4.10's with 29" tires, I'm now running 4.56 gears with 33" tire
(11-12-2010 07:59 PM)ben2go Wrote: Purdy good install.Any mpg numbers?
For a while I was getting 20mpg, then 18mpg, but now I seem to be getting 20m
I live about a mile from work.
(This post
11-12-2010 11:57 PM
Post: #9
300D50
RE: OM617 4Runner
Graphite Moderator, ala RBMK That's good to hear it was easy, I had to jump through hoops in order to g
3/4 when it was mated to the Mitsu KM145 in the other one.
You taunt so well... I've got one pump and it's on my engine.
Posts: 775
Joined: Aug 2009 Not bad, your total change in inches travled per driveshaft revolution is on
remember how that pertains to how much torque hits the road though, th
Location: CNY
1990 Power Ram 50 V6 /w bad headgasket(s) <-- under the knife, SOHC
I can be wrong, don't take everything I say as verbatim, please fact-chec

My posts are my personal opinions and thoughts, unless otherwise noted.
11-13-2010 12:14 AM
Post: #10
4rnnr33
RE: OM617 4Runner
TA 0301 Very nice swap. I am curious what size plate you used for the adapter and if you
run the stock gauges? Thanks
Posts: 69
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: wa
01-24-2011 03:30 AM
Post: #11
ForcedInduction
RE: OM617 4Runner
Banned Nice swap. Why not use the stock alternator? All you need are 12V out an
Don't use that post-turbo pyrometer for tuning the engine or determining
Posts: 3,628
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Hell
01-24-2011 08:43 AM
Post: #12
greenbuggy
RE: OM617 4Runner
Naturally-aspirated what bearing did you use for the transmissino pilot?
Whats your top speed? what RPM are you turning at 55 mph? 65?
Posts: 2
Joined: Dec 2010
Location: Boone, IA
01-30-2011 08:24 PM
Post: #13
4rnnr33
RE: OM617 4Runner
TA 0301 I just picked up an om617 to swap in my toyota and will be using a lot of info fr
might as well ask does anyone know what this tube is for? The one circled in gre
on it or ?
Posts: 69
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: wa
01-31-2011 04:57 PM
Post: #14
larsalan
RE: OM617 4Runner
Superturbo The stock air/oil separator that's built into the air box drains oil into that.
Rusted out beat down 300d turbo 82' -- RIP

Nice body, tons of ridiculous mechanical issues - 300d turbo 82' /motor 85'
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01-31-2011 05:30 PM
Post: #15
ForcedInduction
RE: OM617 4Runner
Banned It has one bolt holding it to a bracket, then it just lifts off of the nipple an
Posts: 3,628
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Location: Hell
02-01-2011 12:28 PM
Post: #16
4rnnr33
RE: OM617 4Runner
TA 0301 (02-01-2011 12:28 PM)ForcedInduction Wrote: It has one bolt holding it to a
can plug it at the oil pan.
cool thanks
Posts: 69
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Location: wa
02-02-2011 05:06 PM
Post: #17
4rnnr33
RE: OM617 4Runner
TA 0301 If any of you guys on here have an om617 sitting around is there any way you c
the flywheel bolts on? Or maybe someone has it written down somewhere?
Posts: 69
Joined: Jan 2011
Location: wa
02-23-2011 04:00 PM
Post: #18
winmutt
RE: OM617 4Runner
bitbanger The 85 is different than the others (smaller) but IIRC its 24mm. See if you can f
it is the same size..
1987 300D Sturmmachine

1991 300D Nearly Perfect
1985 300D Weekend/Camping/Dog car
Posts: 3,405 1974 L508D Motoroam Monarch "NightMare"
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02-23-2011 05:44 PM
Post: #19
dust
RE: OM617 4Runner
K26-2 Your work looks good, just wondering if you had looked into the Toyota 1KZTE f
Posts: 27
Joined: Aug 2010
Location: Mito, Japan
03-01-2011 09:25 AM
Post: #20
Hotrodbenz
RE: OM617 4Runner
Boost and roost baby let's do some coke I know this thread is kinda old but would your friend be willing t
Posts: 43
Joined: Nov 2011
Location: Tulsa oklahoma
01-30-2012 09:22 AM
Post: #21
pyrojoe22
RE: OM617 4Runner
Naturally-aspirated Do you remember how much you were able to scoot the engine/transmission
you gained by reversing the oil pickup, and how that's working since you cut
Posts: 7
Joined: Jan 2012
Location: Nebraska/Kansas
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My questions for the machine shop:

Was the fuel sending unit replaced yet?

Parts still left to use from Mercedes:

If possible, use Mercedes exhaust to build new exhaust for 4runner.

Some people had comments about the TDswaps conversion kit

Slim fan options:

Gauges and sensors

Tensioner for belt drive accessories

Engine Shut-off suggestions

A Tip on the glow plugs

Some Additional Wiring Info

Toyota alt plug:

Information about "senders'

Dmarsh4X4's OM617 swap to 1988 4Runner

The Donor 1985 300D Turbo

I will post more of what I have completed on my swap

dmarsh4x Here is my pilot bearing/flywheel adapter

Making final fit adjustment on Redneck lathe (AKA drill press.)

RBX Subscribed, nice adapter

Last edited by dmarsh4x4; 11-22-2011 at 09:11 PM.

dmarsh4x4 Thanks pyrojoe, I have seen that post early on in my saerches

RBX Impressive. Keep the knowledge coming.

I will post locating the starter next.

22REFORME Out door shop? Cool

Baby- 86 Runner Rims 31's zuk Soft/hardtop

We recently moved here and my shop is still in progress. I need to

Last edited by dmarsh4x4; 11-20-2011 at 10:01 AM.

11-21-2011, 06:38 AM #19

11-21-2011, 05:03 PM #20

dmarsh4x4 RBX, Here are a couple shots of what I have

oy... you cut your front clip too. Please

Other than that, looks simple enough.

Build Thread: Project Back to the Green

11-21-2011, 06:28 PM #22

dmarsh4x4 pyrojoe, I cut the front support only so I could install

I am using the stock Mercedes radiator in the stock

Last edited by dmarsh4x4; 11-21-2011 at 06:32 PM.

PowerstrokeJoe Great Progress! Your thread has been so helpful. I am going to

11-21-2011, 09:16 PM #25

1970 GMC 1500 fleetside 350/350 my first car rebuild in

On a side note, i am still wrestling with using the OM617 or a

Using the router

Finisherd starter mounting

Black_1985_S Nice work

1970 GMC 1500 fleetside 350/350 my first car rebuild in progress

RBX Nice work, I never thought of using a router.

PowerstrokeJoe RBX he is using the Benz Starter which is set up to run through

B-yodaful Which starter is better to use?

11-26-2011, 11:58 #34

dmarsh4x4 Well guys I decided to run the Mercedes starter for one thing, I

Baggedgmc1995 This is great info! keep it coming

bigshrek, no updates yet, starting tomorrow

01-14-2012, 09:53 AM #42

bobbybouche Hey Dmarsh4x4, was wondering if you

dmarsh4x4 Well bobbybouche - No trailer queen here this will be a dd at

5runner kep the pics coming looks good so far!!

1994 Runner 4.88s, Grizzly locker, Old man emu suspension,

Here is one with pump installed

Here is another one of my radiator clearance

bigshrek Looks great. Super clean work.

pyrojoe22 How are you goin to mount the fuel filter now?

Last edited by pyrojoe22; 02-25-2012 at 08:48 AM.