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INTERVIEW WITH SUPERGIRL PRODUCER ILYA


SALKIND

Conducted on 4/13/00 by Scott Michael Bosco


COPYRIGHT 2000 SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO

Source: Digital Cinema: Ilya Salkind Interview (archived link)

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SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – How much approval did DC Comics have over the
script?

ILYA SALKIND – Well, we had the Rights under the conditions of approval as in our
first venture with DC. Meaning DC Comics had the absolute right of approval on the
script. But a lot of people don’t realize it went beyond the script, which is interesting. It
was also on the rushes, and the dallies. They had a representative from DC Comics
who was constantly there to see the dallies, and approve whatever changes were
made to the script. Theoretically that person could refuse dallies, but it never
happened.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Do you remember any specifics they were dead set
against?

ILYA SALKIND – Oh, God yes. There were a lot of things. We had endless
discussions. Well, the moment you try to get away from the myth or legend of these
“Super” characters, or comic book heros, they became very defensive. In those days
it was Jenette Kahn who was the President of DC Comics and she was very involved
and sincere.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Very protective.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, she really cared. She didn’t just think of it as a job. She always

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considered whether it really fit with the comic mythos. That was really nice because
many times they came up with some very good things within the construction of the
script. Also, whatever they came up with was of course part of the picture. That was
how the deal worked. If they came up with something interesting, we could use it.
Obviously, they were partners, that was the bottom line.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I noticed in the “Making of” Helen Slater wore a
different costume.

ILYA SALKIND – Well, she had a bandanna, right?

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Yes, and the “S” logo wasn’t a separate shield, it
was almost a bib that was connected to her shoulders.

ILYA SALKIND – Right, yes. I think at that time we had done a non-approved
costume because it was only meant for the test. Later however, we labored “a lot”
over the costume. The cape – its length, the boots, all that stuff. I was very involved
with all that. As Jeannot (Szwarc) said in the Commentary, there were all these
different capes – just as in our other DC movies we used mechanical capes that
moved with blowers… she had some of those too. I think there were about 10 or 12
capes. In terms of the “S” we tried different styles to get the right “looking” one. I think
the final costume was fantastic because it looked exactly like the comics, and it was
very fitting for Helen.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – …and again, DC had final say of that as well?

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ILYA SALKIND – Absolutely.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – In terms of a story. Did you go to the comics first.
Or did you have a pre-conceived plot, then go back to the comic and
incorporate?

ILYA SALKIND – I remember calling Gary Kurtz, the producer of STAR WARS, who
had made DARK CRYSTAL to ask about that film’s writer, David Odell. We arranged
for David to come to London – this was before Jeannot – we had a very good
meeting, then the two of us started developing the first storyline. At the time there was
this comic book convention in London so he and I spent the whole day there. He was
very, very immmersed into the idea. Then he came up with a first treatment. It was
very interesting. The only problem was that it would have cost, back then, over 150
million. As a writer you write whatever you want without thinking about limitations – I
know I do the same. But then when you put the Producer’s hat on you realize what’s
realistic.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – What was the budget for SUPERGIRL?

ILYA SALKIND – About 50 million.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – In 1983 that was a lot.

ILYA SALKIND – It was huge. We had about 700 people working on that film.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – What was in the original treatment?

ILYA SALKIND – Oh, it was very interesting. It was much more grandiose in the
sense of planetary stuff. There were other planets beside Earth. As it was stated in

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the SUPERGIRL Commentary, Reeves was supposed to be in the film. There were
more locations on Earth, and a lot of locations in space. What happened then – and
this happens all the time with films – we looked at what it would cost and realized it
was impossible. We realized the best way to cost it down to a filmable level was to
make it based on Earth.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – More contained.

ILYA SALKIND – Exactly. I must say in hind sight I think the movie is fine but it is a
little claustrophobic – that’s my opinion. But some people don’t think that at all. You
know what it was – we built these huge outdoor sets and we had to get the most of
them.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – You mean the town?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. It was great in terms of shooting. We had complete control,
something we wouldn’t have had if we did it on location. But in terms of exteriors it
gets a little stodgy. To make a better picture, or more in line to what was imagined in
the beginning, I think more locations were needed.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Jeannot brought up in the Commentary that


originally the Argo City sequence was intended to be longer incorporating
footage from the destruction of Krypton.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, exactly. That’s what I was talking about with Odell. That was
part of the first script. Now I’m not in my 100% DC mode but as I remember – Argo
was sent away from Krypton before it blew up and was then encapsulated in a
microscopic world. Then, I believe it ended up in Brainiac’s collection of cities. I think
that’s how the comic book lore went. Anyway, we followed most of that pretty much.
So originally it was much bigger because we were going to start out with Krypton. I
know Jeannot said it would be too much like what we had covered previous but we
had plans to do it differently. There wouldn’t have been Jor-el, instead a whole
different group of Elders. After all it was taking place the other side of the planet. They
wouldn’t have had the same look. We kept that same idea in the final product. They

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don’t dress like the Kryptonians.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Well in the film it just looks like since being
separated from Krypton they’ve evolved into their own style, their own culture.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, but differences are there in the comics. I don’t totally agree
with Jeannot that it would have been too much like what had be done before.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I agree. I think the film could have used it.

ILYA SALKIND – I think it needed that, and I think it was a different angle. It’s like the
camera would have been on another part of the planet during the destruction.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Well, even a simple title naming the location like :
THE PLANET KRYPTON – 3rd QUADRANT – CITY OF ARGO would have been
enough to educate the audience.

ILYA SALKIND – Well originally we wanted to also incorporate previous footage to


show the planet but it got very complex and difficult due to legalities. Plus it became
enormously expensive because we had to create an entire city. Of course we did the
city but we would have had to show the city on the planet like we did with
Kryptonopolis – in the first film that’s what the City was originally called.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Oh, really?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. It’s Kryptonopolis of Krypton.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Of course it is.

ILYA SALKIND – Of course!


(Both laugh)

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SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Ok, now that I’ve had my Kryptonian geography
lesson – you decided the beginning of the film had to be brought down to size,
let’s move onto who the villain or in this case, the villainess would be.

ILYA SALKIND – Right. Now, this was a really long time ago – but if I recall we
originally had other villains. It wasn’t just Selena. I think there may have been
Brainiac. In fact, I seem to remember it’s he and Selena who make an alliance.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – So instead of Peter Cook’s character of Nigel it was


Brainiac.

ILYA SALKIND – I think so.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Then Selena was always part of the story, even in
the beginning?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. There was always a powerful female villainess. It evolved a lot.
The first script was much more – and I hate to use the word “epic”, but it was. Things
were happening everywhere and the way it all ended up was at Selena’s City, or
castle and with Supergirl, and of course there was the Phantom Zone.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Was the Phantom Zone dealt with differently in the
original script?

ILYA SALKIND – I’m not sure. I think there was a character like (Peter) O’Toole’s
[Zaltar]. His character stayed there but there were other things with the other villains
that all became involved as well. It was also linked with the problem of (Chris)
Reeves’ character being sick.

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SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Ah.

ILYA SALKIND – … of being old and sick. That I remember clearly, in fact I think
Jeannot stated something of that in the Commentary.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Yes. It was a completely different constructed film.

ILYA SALKIND – There were a lot of differences. As you may know the same studio
that released our first superhero film was originally involved. My father (Alexander),
and myself, had gotten the rights to sequels and SUPERGIRL, Krypto the dog … all
that stuff, the entire family of characters that appeared in the DC “Super” line of
comics. All that was all very clear in the contract. In fact, in theory, we could have
used BATMAN – simply because he did actually appear in that line of comics. The
characters did cross over into each others’ comic lines. So theoretically, we could
have made a BATMAN movie. Or had both in one movie. Which of course we did not,
obviously.
(Both laugh)
But what I was getting at was the original studio that distributed our first DC Comics
venture never had a say over the final cut. It was an Alexander/Ilya Salkind
Production. This is something that usually never happens with a major studio.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – So the only one you had to answer to was still DC.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, but DC however was, at the time, a division of the studio. So,
what this is leading to is that the studio didn’t really like the second script. They liked
the first one but it was too expensive. They also said it was way too cosmic, too far
out. So the Studio got to the point where they felt we weren’t in sync so they said we
could take the movie elsewhere. But you see it was in the contract that they had first
option on any of our DC related features. Anyway, TriStar took it. At that time TriStar
was very big.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Did TriStar have any say over the final cut of the
film?

ILYA SALKIND – No. No Studio had any say because since the financing was already

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in place we held the final cut.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Then why are there so many different versions?

ILYA SALKIND – You mean now?

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Yes.

ILYA SALKIND – That’s a good question. First of all the International version was
previewed in the States, in NY …

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Hopefully it wasn’t Brooklyn.

ILYA SALKIND – No, it was in one of the suburbs. The first preview was pretty good,
but they all felt it was too long. So that’s when we did some of the trims. That’s where
the American, or Domestic cut came into being. For the rest of the world we kept the
longer version. It all stems from the report cards from the previews. Some stated
certain scenes were too long so we trimmed it. We still had final cut. TriStar had to
connivance us, which they did, because they couldn’t do it without our permission.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Was it previewed on both coasts?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, there was a NY and LA preview, near LA. I remember that’s
where we had the final meeting with TriStar.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I know SUPERMAN was intended to be carried over


and wasn’t, and obvisouly the Jimmy Olsen character was used, but were
others considered?

ILYA SALKIND – No. We only went as far as mentioning other characters. Like
Jeannot said, it was a different movie.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Jeannot spoke of an entire process that took place
previous to him coming on board. Was there another director considered?

ILYA SALKIND – He’s right. There was. Frankly we saw a lot of films at the time and
from that considered a lot of people. I remember looking at the box-office hits of the

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time, which sometimes can inspire you in making a choice. I looked at films that were
not only a critical success but commercial as well. Especially when it’s as large a film
as SUPERGIRL. Now if you’re doing a smaller budgeted picture for $500 thousand
and nobody gets hurt that’s fine. What’s not good is when a big movie is done for a
narrow audience. I don’t believe in these artsy movies being done big. I don’t think it’s
fair. For anybody – the people who work on them – because later when the film
bombs it’s harder for them to get a job, plus people’s invested money has been
wasted. So many times when I’m looking for a director I look at the box-office list. At
that time I saw JAWS2. So I looked Jeannot up. See what I don’t think is fair is when
a hot star, or director, or even a producer goes ahead and make what they think is
“their” intellectual trip and because it’s their project it’s expensive. Then when it
comes out nobody goes to see and everybody takes a huge blow. I mean, there are
some of those kind of movies which I like – but they should have cost less than they
did. You know what I’m saying, they should have cost 10, 15 maybe even 20 million,
not 100 million or more.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Oh, yeah, there’s a lot films out there done more for
the stars then the quality of the picture.

ILYA SALKIND – Right. For example if I had done SUPERGIRL as a very obtuse
intellectual picture with her asking herself constantly, “Am I from Argo? Or, am I from
Krypton?
(Both laugh)
Or have her contemplate whether her cousin is a hero or monster while she sits in her
room for two hours at a cost of 50 million dollars that would have been very unfair –
for everybody.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – It becomes a vanity piece.

ILYA SALKIND – It becomes a vanity piece, and I’ll tell you what becomes horrifying
is when you have huge hits you fall into that mode. You tend to forget the audience
and become an egomaniac. It happens to directors, producers, actors, everybody. It
doesn’t always happen, some personal movies can become hits. Some work. One of
the things I really liked about Jeannot was his very nice, sweet style. Especially in

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SOMEWHERE IN TIME. He has a very nice touch. That was something we needed
for SUPERGIRL. The movie has that, like in the flying, it’s softer.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Reflective of her.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, we thought so. Absolutely. And as we all know the movie
became a cult favorite and through the DVD will, I’m sure, find a new audience.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Now that you’ve seen the film after a while, what do
you feel works and is in its favor?

ILYA SALKIND – Well when I watched this wonderful DVD version … (laughing with
embarrassment) … I was very impressed, frankly.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – So you think it fairs better through the years?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. It’s a much bigger movie than I remembered. I thought while
watching it, “Wow!, Whoa! We did some stuff there!” You tend to forget. But I do have
one regret, and this has never been on record, so I’m putting it on record now. My
father Alexander and I were partners and we had a big fight over the casting of
SUPERGIRL. He wanted Brooke Shields.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Really.

ILYA SALKIND – Yeah. I was against Brooke Shields. I thought she was too famous
and that we should use an unknown as we had previous.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Just like with SUPERMAN.

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ILYA SALKIND – Right. So we had this huge fight between us, and finally we found
Helen, I showed him the test, etc. I won the battle. Right?

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Yes.

ILYA SALKIND – Well, I should have lost it. I made a mistake.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – You think so?

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. I think Helen was okay. She’s a very good actress, but she
was way too …

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Demure?

ILYA SALKIND – … well…

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – …not strong enough?

ILYA SALKIND – … well yes. I mean, she wasn’t physically the part. We had to do a
lot of stuff to make her look like SUPERGIRL.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Like her chest being padded?

ILYA SALKIND – The padding, the hair, working-out, all that. Okay, she did have the
face, which was pretty similar, but frankly, with hindsight I regret it. Brooke Shields
would have – not made it a better movie, but perhaps a more commercial one. This
I’m convinced. I think there would have been more men seeing the movie.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – That’s an interesting way of putting it. I see your
point.

ILYA SALKIND – It’s like we said, the movie is a little soft. I don’t want to say
feminine, but it does sort of have a kind of feminine point of view.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – It’s more genteel.

ILYA SALKIND – Which is fine and makes it interesting, and it should be like that, but
I think we might have lost part of the audience. It did very good when it opened. It was

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number one the first week it opened in America. It did money, it did a lot of money in
general. In terms of cost and box-office. But it wasn’t of course her cousin. What
happened, I think, is that we lost a lot of the audience, the male audience. I think it
was also because the girl was a little unattainable.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – … unattainable because she appeared too young?

ILYA SALKIND – Unattainable because she looked a bit like, ah … well, cold. This
has nothing to do with Helen’s acting. Like I said she’s very talented. But let me make
an example. Let’s say Sophia Loren walks into a room as does Katherine Hepburn,
and lets say they both are the same age, 30. Alright.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Sure, heads would turn one way and not the other –
or for different reasons.

ILYA SALKIND – Right. Helen is Katherine Hepburn. She’s a consummate pro.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Various actors can put a completely different light
on the same character.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, but the point is I always agreed with my father, but this time we
didn’t – and this time he was absolutely right. I see it now.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – A better marketing ploy.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes. I think I misjudged the fact that it “had” to be an unknown.
Brooke was famous, but not that famous. Remember, she became famous as a kid.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – With PRETTY BABY.

ILYA SALKIND – Right. But as an adult, at that time, she wasn’t a Julia Roberts. I
think she could’ve fit right into the whole thing very well, with the blond hair and
everything. In fact, didn’t she play some sort of comic book character?

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – She was BRENDA STARR.

ILYA SALKIND – That’s it, exactly.

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SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – That movie was terrible, but she did look the part to
a T.

ILYA SALKIND – You’re right, to a “T”, and she would have been a good
SUPERGIRL as well. This I am now totally convinced. Also, she’s a tall girl – hey,
that’s SUPERGIRL.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – A better presence.

ILYA SALKIND – Well, more the character, more the comic book image. If you look at
the comic book, she’s very sexy. With Helen, there’s a certain coldness there. Like I
said, it’s a Katherine Hepburn kind of thing. It’s funny though, Jeannot and I fought for
Helen, and Alex for Brooke. Sometimes, it’s better to lose.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – What about some of the other casting?

ILYA SALKIND – Well we decided with Helen first, then we went to work on the rest.
It may have been me to suggest Faye Dunaway, because we worked with her on
THE THREE MUSKETEERS. Then with Peter (Cook), that was a kind of logical
casting. The theory was to have big stars around an unknown – it worked for us
before. What is interesting is before the “SUPER” movies there was never a comic
based movie done seriously. I’m proud to say, bceause of our films that was the start
to make a big movie about a comic book hero. A big movie. When I say that I mean
serious, serious acting, serious directing, serious script. I’m sure more now will be
made, look at X-MEN, it’s done very seriously. There’s a very interesting thing a lot of
people don’t seem to understand that is you do not make fun of , or kill heroes, or

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myths or legends. That’s my theory, and I think I’m right on that one.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Yes.

ILYA SALKIND – You don’t kill Robin Hood. You don’t do that. Lester did a wonderful
film called, ROBIN & MARION.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I liked that film.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, it’s a beautiful film. But, it was a total disaster.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I remember. People didn’t want to see him die.

ILYA SALKIND – They don’t want to see him die. He’s a hero. It’s like, you don’t kill
(James) Bond.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – You’re right. Even though now I kinda wish they
would.

ILYA SALKIND – Yeah, well, it’s gotten a little… by the way, this is a funny story – in
the early days when I was a kid Harry Saltzman came to see my father (Alexander)
and he said I have this interesting book, and the rights to this Ian Fleming guy James
Bond. (He laughs) So my father says, ah, nobody is going to be interested in a spy.
(Both laugh.) Unbelievable.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – You never know what passes your way.

ILYA SALKIND – I was around 10 or 11, I wasn’t involved. I’m not saying I would
have said lets do Bond – who the hell knows, right? But I remember seeing DR. NO
and going completely ballistic. The key I think is that they did it seriously. It was the
first time the spy had girls, killed, and all that stuff. As far as I remember it was the
first time you saw a spy in bed with a girl. It was a shock. I was in Paris when I saw it
as a kid. I remember thinking, “Oh, my God, this is crazy!” We went ballistic. Now, it’s
history!

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – Getting back to the casting of SUPERGIRL. Hart

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Bochner, I know he was being pushed at the time in the studios…

ILYA SALKIND – … again, he was a very nice man. I even worked with his father
Lloyd Bochner on my TV series.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – On SUPERBOY.

ILYA SALKIND – Yes, he’s a very nice man. He played a vampire. I think Hart was
very good in the movie, but there was another guy we had seen in NY. I think he
would have been better for the part, Peter Gallager. But that’s my feeling. Jeannot
won that one so we used Hart. I’m not saying that Peter is better than Hart, but for
that role, Peter may have worked better. You might find this interesting… we were
shooting SUPERGIRL the same time Ridley Scott was filming LEGEND, in Pinewood.
He was using the big 007 sound stage. Previous to that time I was living in Europe so
I wasn’t as Americana as I am now. So the funny thing is I didn’t know all the new
actors, especially American ones, as well as I do now. Anyway, there was this young
guy going back and forth, and of course he would eat at the same restaurants there at
Pinewood. It was one of the most beautiful commissaries in the world.

SCOTT MICHAEL BOSCO – I think Carrol Baker brought up how beautiful it was
to me when I interviewed her about WATCHER IN THE WOODS.

ILYA SALKIND – Absolutely beautiful. So, anyway this guy was always in the
commissary all the time, a young guy about 22, 23. He was always in this grimy
costume – and no body knew who he was. (laughs) So I asked who is this guy? So
they looked at me, but I didn’t know, like I said, I wasn’t living in America at the time.
So they looked at me and said, oh he’s an up and coming American actor – it was
Tom Cruise. So you see, you never know.

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