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- I'm gonna grab coffee. You want some?
- I had some on the plane.

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Excuse me. May I?

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Students are welcome to everything.

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- Cold season.
- Sorry, what?

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- I was just saying it's cold season.
- Oh.

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Bill.

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- How are you? Welcome.
- Thank you.

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How's your family?

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Since when do you
care about any of that?

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I'm adopting a facade of caring.

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- You want to dive in?
- Yeah.

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Here he is.

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Dr. Wendy Carr, my partner Holden Ford.

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Dr. Carr.

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Agent Ford. I've read a lot about you.

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- About me?
- Your notes.

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Uh, thank you.

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Okay, um, let's go to my office.

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I'm glad this worked out.

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When you sent me your notes
from the Kemper meetings,

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I was in a real rut with my new book.

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- What's your book about?
- It's about white-collar criminals,

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men not so different
to your Edmund Kemper.

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How do you think the men you
study are similar to Edmund Kemper?

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Well, first of all,
they're all psychopaths.

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I study captains of industry:

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IBM, MGM, Ford, Exxon, you name it.

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And sure, these men all have
wives, kids, dogs, goldfish,

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but not because they
stopped being psychopaths,

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but because they just
had different leanings.

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But you think they have the same
underlying personality traits?

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Well, Kemper shows a
total lack of remorse,

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a lack of inner emotional structure,

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no ability to reflect on
the experience of others.

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- You saw this in my notes?
- It would've been clearer

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if you'd recorded and transcribed
your interviews verbatim,

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but yeah.

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Although your project is
obviously in the nascent stages,

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it already feels like a clear
successor to The Mask of Sanity,
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which, as you know,
is quite a compliment.

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Repeat that? The Mask of...

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So you're saying you don't think this,

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us interviewing these killers, is crazy?

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Just the opposite.

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I mean, crazy in the way that anyone
with a truly new idea is crazy.

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- But no.
- Wow, okay.

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That's a relief.

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That hasn't really been the
feedback we've gotten so far.

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Actually, this is the only
feedback we've gotten so far.

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Well, these men are just
sitting here, locked up.

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And we're too afraid
of the morality of it

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to see the far-reaching
value of their insights.

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Far-reaching in law enforcement?

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Into behavioral science, early
detection, criminology, you name it.

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Oh, yes, yes. This is what
I've been saying the whole time.

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Oh, have you?

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You need to put this on
a more formal footing.

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It's gonna take a lot of time and energy

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to expand it into a larger project
with a specific questionnaire.

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Their family histories,

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what their thoughts
were on why they did it,

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when they were aroused during
the killings, that sort of thing.

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Then contrast, compare, and publish.

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Publish?

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Well, you can't just circulate
your findings within the FBI.

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- I mean, maybe even turn it into a book.
- A book?

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Whoa. We appreciate
the vote of confidence,

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but we weren't allowed
to send you those notes.

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- We can't publicize what we're doing.
- Why not?

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Our department head
gave us weekends only

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and an office in the basement.

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We still have students, we
have Road School full-time.

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- We can't just drop everything...
- Road School?

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We travel around the country
and teach FBI techniques to cops.

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- Oh.
- We're seeing Benjamin Miller

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in Bridgewater this afternoon.

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Road School is what gives us the freedom
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to go out and interview these guys.

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We can go bit by bit.

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Kemper and Miller and
build out from there.

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Make a study in our
free time, like you said.

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I didn't realize that
this was so informal.

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We could make it formal. We can
do that easily. And then a book.

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The successor to The Mask of...

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I guess I just wanted to
get another set of eyes,

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see if you thought this was
valuable from an academic standpoint.

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Have you shown your Kemper
notes to your department head?

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No.

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Teaching police departments,
can someone else do that?

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- Anyone can, it's really not that hard.
- That is not true,

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and it's beside the point.

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Shepard doesn't even want
us to talk about this.

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You really think he's going to say
yes to a full-time academic study?

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Never mind a book?

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You think people would be interested

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in this outside of law enforcement?

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I mean, imagine,

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like truly imagine what it takes
to bludgeon someone to death.

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The lust for control,

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the feeling of arousal,

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the decision to rape the
severed head of your victim,

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to humiliate her corpse.

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How could you possibly get that
from an ordinary police report?
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You know why it took me nearly
a decade to publish my book?

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Because narcissists
don't go to the doctor.

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Psychopaths are convinced that
there is nothing wrong with them.

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So these men are virtually
impossible to study.

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Yet you have found a way to study them

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in near perfect laboratory conditions.

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That's what make this so exciting
and potentially so far-reaching.

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It's not that I disagree. I've
spent enough time with Holden

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that I know what it means
when he gets that crazy look.

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I'm afraid it's just not feasible
within the bureaucracy of the FBI.

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We've got weekends. We've got
the evenings after Road School,

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an hour or so before Road School.
We don't have to tell Shepard.

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Interviewing 40 men across
the States is a full-time job.

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And if you want this to be
a legitimate academic study,

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then you're looking at
four, maybe five years.

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- And compiling, analyzing the data.
- Right.

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Well...

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It's a shame.

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We have an interview with Miller in
an hour and it's a bit of a drive.

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You know, this is really important work.

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If your boss won't let you do it,

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then you should talk to someone who
has the freedom and resources to...

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We'll stick with it for now.

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It'll be slow going, but
we're not ready to give up yet.

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Of course not.

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But it's good to get some encouragement,
even if our hands are tied.

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Thank you.

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It's a pleasure.

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- What if...
- Don't.

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- I'm just saying we could...
- Holden.

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Look, I'm frustrated too.

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You know, they shoot
the birds in the yard

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because they might
be smuggling in drugs.

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Actually, I don't know if that's
true. A girlfriend told me once.

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- You date a lot of ex-cons?
- No.

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Actually, Debbie's the first girl

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I've really dated-dated
since high school.

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- Dated-dated.
- Yeah.
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My wife's the first woman
that I've married-married.

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I thought they said 3:00.
What are we waiting for?

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You'd be less fidgety
if you smoked cigarettes.

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I should have brought a tape recorder.

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Bureau Agents Tench and Ford?

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Gentlemen. I'm Dr. Cale. We
spoke earlier on the phone.

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Thanks for doing this, Doctor. We
realize it's somewhat unorthodox.

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Unfortunately, Miller
says he won't talk to you.

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Now, we told him in
advance and he agreed,

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but there's really
nothing we can do now.

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- He should be in a better mood tomorrow.
- Tomorrow?

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Well, he gets like this sometimes.

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Just needs a cool-off period
before he can interact with people.

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We have to bring him food into
his cell because he won't come out.

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We're headed out tonight.
We can't come in tomorrow.

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I'm sorry. Will you be
back to Boston another time?

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Perhaps.

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Thanks for your time,
Doctor. We appreciate it.

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Of course.

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Well, that's the last time
we give them advanced notice.

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Holden?

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Ever feel like you're
on the cusp of something,

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and it keeps spinning out in your head?

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- Where'd you get that ironing board?
- Your closet.

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I just can't stop thinking
about this project.
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Dr. Carr said it could have
far-reaching consequences.

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Why are you up? Did you smoke my pot?

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I can't stop thinking about this
project. The idea is so exciting.

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Okay.

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Just don't wake me up
when you come back to bed.

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Rissell's an hour or so away,

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so we don't have to do
Road School to get to him.

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There's, uh... Vaughn Greenwood.

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- The Skid Row Slasher?
- Yeah, he's in California.

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Along with Herbert Mullin.

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The Cincinnati Strangler...

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- What's his name?
- Posteal Laskey Jr.

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- I assume he's in Cincinnati?
- Uh...
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Yeah.

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I like teaching the Midwest
cops. Hospitable guys.

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There's always Richard
Speck in Illinois.

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- Great, we can do a Midwest sweep.
- Gerard John Schaefer.

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He killed at least 30, they
think. That was in Florida, though.

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I can't say no to a Florida golf course.

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Bill Tench.

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- Hey, Bill. It's Roy Carver.
- Hey, Roy. What can I do for you?

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We need to talk. There's
been another attack.

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This time resulting in a fatality.

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- Got it.
- Can I get you guys back out here?

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Okay. Let me get back to you.

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- What's up?
- Carver.

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Been another one.

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Same age as Rosemary Gonzales,
only this time she's dead.

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Bill, my God! We're vindicated.

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What's the matter with you?
An old lady was just murdered.

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We can talk to Kemper again.

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Did she have a dog? Please
tell me there's a dog.

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A bigger dog. Slit from ear to ear.

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Amen.

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Not only is this exactly
what we predicted,

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but he's getting a taste
for it, there will be more.

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A sequence killer.

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A sequence killer?

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What we're calling it when
they kill three or more.
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Is this a new classification? Need
to get a steno to put it in writing.

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You bet. I'll talk to Marge.

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This is what you were talking
about with the Kemper thing?

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We briefed them with a description.

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We need to make sure they bring him in.

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- It's what we predicted.
- Thank you, Holden. I've been listening.

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- We have to make this right.
- I agree. You do now.

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What are you waiting for?
You got a plane to catch.

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Yes, sir.

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Name was Laura Conway.

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Living literally half a mile
away, practically up the street.

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Same thing exactly, same time of night

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that Rosemary Gonzales was attacked,
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about 10:30 or 11:00.

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What about the dog?

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A dog like that must've put up a fight.

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Your unsub will have bite marks.

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The dog's fucking lasagna.

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We rousted a bunch of kids,

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had an 18-year-old from
the neighborhood we liked,

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but he had an alibi.

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- What was it?
- He's a fry cook.

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Clocked in till midnight,
his coworkers vouch for him.

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You spoke to his boss?

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Yeah, one of these new burger
joints. Big corporate set up.

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Like McDonald's?

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- Actually, I don't remember.
- We might have to rethink.

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Look at that dog.

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Someone had a good fucking grip
on it, damn near eviscerated.

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Now this woman wasn't as
frail as Mrs. Gonzales.

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Whoever did this wasn't
easily scared off.

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- Older.
- And determined.

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I don't understand the
sexual assault part.

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- Why just groping? Why not rape her?
- Because he didn't want to.

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He just wanted to
dominate and humiliate her.

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- That's one sick son of a bitch.
- Supposing he's 35, 40.

242
00:15:06,197 --> 00:15:08,366
Supposing these women
are his mom's age...

243
00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:10,993
- It's a mom thing.
- Wait, 40? Did I just hear you correctly?

244
00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:13,830
- This is not a kid.
- I've been rounding up teenagers.

245
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:16,499
This time wasn't as
frenzied. It's not a teenager.

246
00:15:16,582 --> 00:15:19,961
Sacramento DA reamed my
ass for hassling busboys,

247
00:15:20,044 --> 00:15:21,295
and you've changed your mind?

248
00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:24,173
It's not a one-off. This
isn't some random freak-out.

249
00:15:24,257 --> 00:15:26,509
- This guy is getting confident.
- At least late 20s.

250
00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:29,762
Physically mature. Emotionally
immature. Socially undeveloped.

251
00:15:29,846 --> 00:15:32,432
- Possibly still lives at home.
- Narcotics, maybe.

252
00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:35,143
That's why he beat her this
badly, didn't know when to stop.

253
00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:36,310
- You think?
- Why not?

254
00:15:36,394 --> 00:15:38,688
Not if he lives at
home. Maybe he's married.

255
00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:40,773
- Or separated.
- Separated?

256
00:15:40,857 --> 00:15:42,900
Guys in unhappy marriages
have hair triggers.

257
00:15:42,984 --> 00:15:45,278
They lash out. Especially
when it comes to women.

258
00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:48,322
- I wouldn't know anything about that.
- Lucky you.

259
00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:50,950
You guys still think he's
white? Not Latino? Black?

260
00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:56,414
I think blacks, Latinos might be
too respectful of an elderly woman.

261
00:15:56,497 --> 00:16:00,126
- My bet is poor white trash.
- Listen, we did talk to some older guys.

262
00:16:00,209 --> 00:16:02,462
And this one right here
is pretty interesting.

263
00:16:04,172 --> 00:16:05,882
Just came walking up off the street.

264
00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:08,384
"Hey, what happened? Did
anybody see?" He'd been drinking.

265
00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:10,803
One of these guys who likes
talking to cops, you know.

266
00:16:14,849 --> 00:16:15,933
We should talk to him.

267
00:16:17,477 --> 00:16:18,536
Sure.

268
00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:36,746
Mom.

269
00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:40,082
Good morning.

270
00:16:41,083 --> 00:16:42,502
Do you remember me?

271
00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:44,086
Yeah, I remember you.

272
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:46,914
Mom!

273
00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:52,803
Ma'am, I'm Detective Roy Carver.

274
00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:54,972
These are my colleagues,
Bill Tench and Holden Ford.

275
00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:56,557
- Hello.
- What do you want?

276
00:16:56,641 --> 00:16:57,767
It's Dwight, right?

277
00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,686
- What do you want with him?
- These gentlemen are with the FBI.

278
00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:03,689
Well, now what has he done?

279
00:17:03,773 --> 00:17:06,776
Who the hell have you
brought into my home?

280
00:17:07,902 --> 00:17:08,986
May we come in?

281
00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,081
FBI knocking at my door.

282
00:17:22,333 --> 00:17:24,877
I might as well be
dead for all he cares.
283
00:17:24,961 --> 00:17:27,672
Just kill me now because
that is what you're doing.

284
00:17:27,755 --> 00:17:29,507
And it is a slow death.

285
00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:33,302
He's my only son. I might as
well walk up to the freeway,

286
00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:37,431
stick my head under a truck
and save myself the misery.

287
00:17:39,225 --> 00:17:41,519
We'd just like to ask
Dwight a few questions.

288
00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:42,937
Are these yours, Dwight?

289
00:17:43,020 --> 00:17:47,567
You'd think he'd be out of my hair
by now. Move the fuck on, but no.

290
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:51,445
- You sleep on the couch?
- When he's not too drunk to get up there.

291
00:17:53,114 --> 00:17:55,992
Maybe we can talk outside,
Dwight. Have a smoke.

292
00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:57,159
Take him.

293
00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:00,871
Just give me a fucking
moment to breathe.

294
00:18:10,881 --> 00:18:11,941
Cigarette?

295
00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:17,847
Nice lady.

296
00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:20,433
Real maternal.

297
00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,816
You have a lot of friends, Dwight?

298
00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:30,860
Do you?

299
00:18:32,862 --> 00:18:36,198
I saw a dog leash in the house,
but I don't see a dog around here.

300
00:18:44,915 --> 00:18:46,250
You got a girlfriend?

301
00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:49,670
Must be tough bringing a girl home,

302
00:18:49,754 --> 00:18:51,714
with your old lady
breathing down your neck.

303
00:18:52,882 --> 00:18:54,050
- No.
- No?

304
00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:55,718
It's not hard?

305
00:18:56,719 --> 00:18:58,137
I don't have a girlfriend.

306
00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,431
Good-looking guy like
you? I don't believe you.

307
00:19:00,514 --> 00:19:03,267
You trying to suck me off?

308
00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:06,103
Put it this way, you
never had a girlfriend?
309
00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:09,857
One time.

310
00:19:10,316 --> 00:19:11,525
What happened?

311
00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:13,736
She got pregnant.

312
00:19:14,820 --> 00:19:18,074
My mom decided we were too young
to get married, told her parents.

313
00:19:18,157 --> 00:19:19,575
She ratted you out.

314
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:22,828
What happened to the kid?

315
00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,915
- She got a scrape.
- Scrape?

316
00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:27,416
Abortion.

317
00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,211
- How old were you?
- Twenty.

318
00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:32,463
- How old was she?
- Twenty.

319
00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:35,966
That doesn't seem too young
to me. Did you love her?

320
00:19:37,176 --> 00:19:39,303
I don't know. What kind of
fucking question is that?

321
00:19:39,387 --> 00:19:41,555
I'm curious. Humor me.

322
00:19:41,639 --> 00:19:43,808
Well, "I don't know," is the answer.

323
00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:46,268
Do you think she loved you?

324
00:19:50,314 --> 00:19:53,275
- You okay there, Dwight?
- What?

325
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,736
Looks like you've been going
at your arm pretty good.

326
00:19:57,071 --> 00:19:58,280
You get in a scrap?

327
00:19:58,948 --> 00:20:01,283
- No.
- Let me see your arm.

328
00:20:04,453 --> 00:20:05,913
How'd you get those scratches?

329
00:20:05,996 --> 00:20:07,790
I get drunk. I don't know.

330
00:20:07,873 --> 00:20:09,792
I've never seen alcohol
give a guy scratches.

331
00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:12,336
I bump into things, I guess.

332
00:20:12,420 --> 00:20:13,479
Like what?

333
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,383
I got them from a piece of wood.

334
00:20:18,008 --> 00:20:20,386
- It's fine, I'm fine.
- Let me look at that again, Dwight.

335
00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:26,976
I don't have a dog.
336
00:20:28,102 --> 00:20:31,105
- She's the one with the dog, not me.
- Your mom?

337
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:33,766
Dwight.

338
00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:39,405
Why don't you tell us right
now how you got those scratches

339
00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:42,950
so you don't lie to an FBI agent, okay?

340
00:20:44,493 --> 00:20:49,123
I got them from a piece of wood.

341
00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,756
- Is it just you and her in there?
- And Jesse.

342
00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,174
Who's Jesse?

343
00:20:58,257 --> 00:20:59,592
Some guy.

344
00:21:03,471 --> 00:21:05,681
- Not a big smoker?
- I smoke.

345
00:21:06,682 --> 00:21:09,268
Doesn't it get cramped in there,
the three of you all together?

346
00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:13,439
- I guess.
- Is that new? Jesse staying with you?

347
00:21:15,441 --> 00:21:16,942
A few weeks.

348
00:21:18,444 --> 00:21:22,072
They just met or whatever.
349
00:21:22,531 --> 00:21:24,492
- I don't know.
- That room's close by.

350
00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:26,827
Is that kinda weird, hearing
your mom and her boyfriend?

351
00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:29,497
- No.
- That would drive me crazy.

352
00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:31,207
She sounds like she's hard to please.

353
00:21:31,290 --> 00:21:34,043
- Does he do what she wants?
- She doesn't know what she wants.

354
00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,144
No?

355
00:21:36,879 --> 00:21:41,467
Who just meets a guy, then she
moves him right in, you know?

356
00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,719
- Kind of fucking weird.
- You ever talk to her about it?

357
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,720
What?

358
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,722
She made you get an
abortion with your girl.

359
00:21:46,806 --> 00:21:49,058
Do you get a say in her romantic life?

360
00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:51,724
I mean, he's living right next to you.

361
00:21:51,725 --> 00:21:53,979
Do you get a say in hearing them fuck?
362
00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:55,387
I think that would piss me off,

363
00:21:55,388 --> 00:21:57,566
if my mom told me what
to do all the time.

364
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:59,443
Get an abortion, get
her this, get her that.

365
00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,570
Yeah. You let your mom
treat you like that?

366
00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:04,573
- Don't you stick up for yourself?
- I stick up for myself.

367
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:06,951
- Didn't hear you doing that.
- Didn't hear him say anything.

368
00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:09,078
I stand my ground. I'm no pussy.

369
00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:12,456
I'm not saying you're a pussy.
Why do you stand there and take it?

370
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:15,626
- You don't know what you're talking about.
- You ever cuss her out?

371
00:22:16,126 --> 00:22:18,295
- I give as good as I get.
- What does that mean?

372
00:22:18,379 --> 00:22:21,549
- You ever been in a fight?
- Maybe.

373
00:22:21,632 --> 00:22:24,260
- But not with Mom, right? Mom's different.
- You only have one mom.

374
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:27,346
Never laid a finger on her.
Didn't raise a hand, of course not.

375
00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:29,890
Raise a hand to your mom,
it all goes to shit, right?

376
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,901
- You ever lost control?
- Uh-uh.

377
00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:43,529
- Not with her, leastways.
- "Not with her"?

378
00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:46,907
Makes sense, you need to let
off steam, show her who's boss.

379
00:22:46,991 --> 00:22:48,367
You'd never hurt your old lady...

380
00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,869
You'd never hurt her
because she loves you.

381
00:23:01,463 --> 00:23:03,841
Florin residents can
rest easier tonight.

382
00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:07,052
Sacramento Police have arrested
30-year-old Dwight Taylor

383
00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:10,389
in connection with a recent
pair of sadistic assaults.

384
00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:13,517
Police say Taylor, himself a
resident of the sleepy suburb,

385
00:23:13,601 --> 00:23:16,687
beat Rosemary Gonzales, 74, into a coma,

386
00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,481
and stabbed to death Laura Conway, 64.

387
00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,734
The victims lived
less than a mile apart.

388
00:23:21,817 --> 00:23:23,130
In a disturbing twist,

389
00:23:23,131 --> 00:23:25,613
after viciously attacking
his elderly victims...

390
00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:34,246
All right, all right, all right.

391
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,958
Listen, everybody in this room
remembers when they were a little kid,

392
00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:40,252
when they figured out
they wanted to be a cop.

393
00:23:41,337 --> 00:23:43,547
I knew I wanted to be a
detective in the third grade

394
00:23:43,631 --> 00:23:47,051
when I read A Study in Scarlet
by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

395
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,762
Well, this guy right here?

396
00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:53,891
- He's the modern-day Sherlock Holmes.
- Absolutely!

397
00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:57,853
And that makes you Dr. Watson.

398
00:23:57,936 --> 00:23:59,104
Thank you.

399
00:23:59,188 --> 00:24:00,773
No shit.

400
00:24:00,856 --> 00:24:03,692
Either that or you guys are psychic.

401
00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:06,111
Hey, don't laugh. There's a
lot of psychics in California

402
00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:08,280
- and they all want to be cops.
- Yeah!

403
00:24:08,364 --> 00:24:11,158
All the cops want to be feds,
all the feds want to be...

404
00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:13,661
I don't know what.

405
00:24:13,744 --> 00:24:16,789
Oh! He's gonna make a speech.
Inform us, oh, wise one.

406
00:24:16,872 --> 00:24:18,415
Speech!

407
00:24:18,499 --> 00:24:20,417
- Thank you.
- Speech!

408
00:24:20,501 --> 00:24:23,128
I just wanted to say thank you
for having this get-together.

409
00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:25,538
And Roy, thank you for acknowledging

410
00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:26,715
what my partner Bill and I are doing.

411
00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:32,388
And for embracing that,
if we all work together,

412
00:24:33,389 --> 00:24:35,449
we can venture into the blackest night

413
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:37,267
and shine a light on the darkness.

414
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,649
I'm talking about real darkness.

415
00:24:45,109 --> 00:24:47,945
And thanks for the beer.

416
00:24:48,028 --> 00:24:49,446
We were happy to help.

417
00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:51,990
Congratulations, guys.

418
00:24:52,074 --> 00:24:53,492
Good work.

419
00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:03,335
If only you could shine
a light on the darkness,

420
00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:06,797
you could illuminate my keys.

421
00:25:11,093 --> 00:25:13,178
Very, very funny.

422
00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:32,072
Dynamite!

423
00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:34,074
Okay. You got us.

424
00:25:34,783 --> 00:25:35,784
Good job.

425
00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:46,962
Yeah, I wanted to hear how
you're doing. That's all.

426
00:25:51,717 --> 00:25:52,885
His teacher?
427
00:25:59,808 --> 00:26:00,976
I'm sorry to hear that.

428
00:26:04,688 --> 00:26:06,690
No, I don't think we'll be back in time.

429
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:11,236
So...

430
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:17,576
Okay. I just wanted to hear your voice.

431
00:26:19,077 --> 00:26:20,579
Give him a kiss from Dad.

432
00:26:23,248 --> 00:26:24,416
Love you too.

433
00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:35,344
I'm sorry, Ed,

434
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,555
do you mean that violence in the
movies drove you to kill those women?

435
00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:39,669
No.

436
00:26:39,681 --> 00:26:43,811
My point is, in reality, it
doesn't work the way you expect.

437
00:26:43,894 --> 00:26:47,147
When you stab somebody,
they're supposed to fall dead.

438
00:26:47,231 --> 00:26:48,271
They go, "Oh... "

439
00:26:48,273 --> 00:26:50,609
- And they fall dead, right?
- Right.

440
00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:54,279
In reality, when you stab
somebody, they lose blood pressure

441
00:26:54,363 --> 00:26:57,616
and they leak to death very slowly.

442
00:26:57,699 --> 00:27:00,410
So I was reluctant, I didn't enjoy it.

443
00:27:01,703 --> 00:27:03,205
Did you get that on tape?

444
00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:04,890
Yeah.

445
00:27:08,001 --> 00:27:09,962
You know, it all really goes back

446
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:15,259
to my perceived inability to
communicate socially, sexually.

447
00:27:16,134 --> 00:27:19,721
I was scared to death of failing
in male-female relationships,

448
00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:22,057
even sitting down to
talk to a young lady.

449
00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:25,143
I wanted to communicate.

450
00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:28,897
Ironically enough, that's
why I began picking people up.

451
00:27:28,981 --> 00:27:30,649
I pick a girl up

452
00:27:30,732 --> 00:27:33,068
and I'm going a little
further each time.

453
00:27:33,151 --> 00:27:35,153
It's a daring kind of a thing.
454
00:27:35,237 --> 00:27:37,447
Like, first, there wasn't a gun.

455
00:27:37,531 --> 00:27:39,408
Then I'm driving along,

456
00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:42,452
we go to a vulnerable place where
there aren't people watching,

457
00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:43,871
but I say, "No, I can't."

458
00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:46,123
So you picked up women
but didn't kill them?

459
00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:49,042
But then, a gun is in the car,

460
00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:50,878
and this craving,

461
00:27:50,961 --> 00:27:54,506
this awful raging, eating
feeling is inside me.

462
00:27:55,757 --> 00:27:57,467
I would've loved to
have just raped them,

463
00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:00,554
but not having any experience at all,

464
00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:04,975
I could feel it consuming my
insides, this fantastic passion.

465
00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:06,935
Fantastic passion?

466
00:28:07,019 --> 00:28:10,272
- It's a good phrase, no?
- Then what happens?
467
00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,316
You know, I'm thinking
of writing my own book.

468
00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,360
I've been trying to get a
typewriter. Maybe help me with that?

469
00:28:15,444 --> 00:28:17,404
I'm sure we could pull some strings.

470
00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,281
Then it builds, the feeling?

471
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:20,949
At some point, you begin to...

472
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,243
- enjoy the thrill.
- Look...

473
00:28:24,077 --> 00:28:26,204
when you slit a person's throat,

474
00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:28,332
you need to cut it from ear to ear

475
00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:31,376
in order to sever the
windpipe and the jugular

476
00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:33,712
so that they bleed and
suffocate at the same time.

477
00:28:33,795 --> 00:28:35,881
Otherwise, they'll just
be in a great deal of pain.

478
00:28:37,299 --> 00:28:39,718
That's how I learnt
the term "ear to ear,"

479
00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:41,094
literally, what that meant.
480
00:28:41,178 --> 00:28:43,513
People think it's just an expression.

481
00:28:43,597 --> 00:28:45,474
It's not, it's an instruction.

482
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:48,310
You don't want to. You have to.

483
00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:49,770
So there's no pleasure, Ed?

484
00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:51,104
Sure there is.

485
00:28:51,188 --> 00:28:53,982
I just wanted the
exaltation over the party.

486
00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:56,443
In other words, winning over death.

487
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,821
They were dead and I was
alive. That was the pleasure.

488
00:28:59,905 --> 00:29:02,616
I was the hunter, they were my victims.

489
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:04,743
So how did you feel
after your first kills?

490
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:13,502
I liked Mary the best.

491
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,504
I was lukewarm on Anita.

492
00:29:17,214 --> 00:29:18,507
What was wrong with her?

493
00:29:19,049 --> 00:29:20,509
Oh, nothing in particular.
494
00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:22,844
It was more that Mary was...

495
00:29:25,264 --> 00:29:29,059
I was really quite struck by
her personality and her looks,

496
00:29:29,142 --> 00:29:31,687
and there was just
almost a reverence there.

497
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:33,855
- Reverence?
- Sure.

498
00:29:34,356 --> 00:29:36,441
Sometimes, afterward, I
visited there to be near her

499
00:29:36,525 --> 00:29:38,360
because I loved her and wanted her.

500
00:29:39,027 --> 00:29:40,279
At the murder site?

501
00:29:40,362 --> 00:29:42,364
I've never been much to look at myself,

502
00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:44,866
but I've always gone
after the pretty girls.

503
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:46,034
I bet you're the same.

504
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,620
Sure.

505
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:51,540
You probably can't imagine this,

506
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:54,543
but since I was locked
up from age 15 to 21

507
00:29:54,626 --> 00:29:56,712
for the murder of my grandparents,

508
00:29:56,795 --> 00:30:00,257
I was very much out of
touch with women my own age.

509
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,344
When I got back on the street, it
was like being on a strange planet.

510
00:30:04,928 --> 00:30:07,556
I had been living with people
older than I was for so long,

511
00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:09,141
I was like an old fogy.

512
00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:10,809
That must have been jarring.

513
00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,728
You know, when I
confessed to the police,

514
00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:14,636
they drove me through California

515
00:30:14,637 --> 00:30:16,815
and we stopped by a diner for some food.

516
00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:19,985
Some attractive young
ladies walked by the car.

517
00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:21,903
I vomited.

518
00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:25,741
Right there and then, on the police
car, in front of all the cops.

519
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:26,867
Quite violently.

520
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:29,453
That was just how I reacted to women.

521
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:30,912
I had no other way.

522
00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:33,165
Let me ask you something.

523
00:30:35,542 --> 00:30:37,002
Ever talk with anyone about this?

524
00:30:37,878 --> 00:30:39,463
About your inclinations?

525
00:30:41,298 --> 00:30:43,383
Your mom... maybe?

526
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:46,178
Obviously, not the way
you're talking to us.

527
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:51,099
If I could get a word in edgewise,

528
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,353
everything would have been different.

529
00:30:54,436 --> 00:30:56,677
From the moment I
woke up in the morning,

530
00:30:56,678 --> 00:30:58,854
she was demeaning and belittling.

531
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:00,567
And she knew all of my buttons

532
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,027
because she put them there.

533
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,197
I was her toy all my life,

534
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,075
right up until the moment I cut
off her head with a hunting knife.

535
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:11,703
Ed...

536
00:31:13,163 --> 00:31:15,207
why did you do what you did...

537
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:17,959
with her head?

538
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:21,963
Why does anyone?

539
00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:26,009
You know, that night
I walked up to her bed.

540
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:27,786
She's laying there reading a paperback,

541
00:31:27,787 --> 00:31:30,472
as many thousands of nights before.

542
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:35,334
She says, "Oh, I suppose
you're gonna want to wait up

543
00:31:35,335 --> 00:31:36,812
all night and talk now."

544
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:39,564
Can you believe that?

545
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:42,317
"Wait up all night talking."

546
00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:44,569
Shit.

547
00:31:47,406 --> 00:31:49,241
And I knew I was gonna kill her...

548
00:31:50,158 --> 00:31:51,176
you know?
549
00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:54,663
I was honest with myself
for the first time.

550
00:31:56,415 --> 00:31:58,458
Because I'm not a lizard,

551
00:31:58,542 --> 00:32:01,920
I'm not from under a rock,
I came out of her vagina.

552
00:32:02,587 --> 00:32:03,797
I came out of my mother.

553
00:32:05,006 --> 00:32:08,427
Is it true that you put part of
her into the garbage disposal?

554
00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:12,013
Her vocal cords.

555
00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:13,849
Why?

556
00:32:13,932 --> 00:32:15,600
Because I couldn't shut her up.

557
00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:20,188
She wanted to destroy
me with words, literally.

558
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:21,940
So I shut her up for good.

559
00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:26,319
And now, everyone knows it was
because of what she did to me,

560
00:32:26,403 --> 00:32:28,947
because of the way she treated her son.

561
00:32:38,582 --> 00:32:39,624
Pizza!

562
00:32:40,542 --> 00:32:41,918
You guys.

563
00:32:44,588 --> 00:32:47,215
Okay. So you get out of the car...

564
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,719
- I just walk into the apartment building.
- Anyone around?

565
00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:51,845
So, I'm home,

566
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:54,014
walking up the stairs to our apartment

567
00:32:54,097 --> 00:32:55,351
with a freshly severed head

568
00:32:55,352 --> 00:32:57,350
draining about a pint of
blood into a duffel bag.

569
00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:00,103
You just got it under
your arm? Just like that?

570
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,439
- Take another slice.
- Thank you.

571
00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:05,233
Then comes this picture postcard,

572
00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:07,444
groovy, happy young
couple on the stairs.

573
00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:10,238
- They walk right past me.
- Your two worlds are colliding...

574
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:12,866
My murderous fantasy life and this.

575
00:33:12,949 --> 00:33:16,077
Pretty girl. Pretty
name. Kim or something.

576
00:33:16,495 --> 00:33:18,246
Going out on a date with her boyfriend.

577
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,957
And it could just as easily
be Kim's head in that bag.

578
00:33:21,041 --> 00:33:22,918
- You're playing God.
- Exactly.

579
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:27,589
And I realized I've never been
on a date in my entire life, ever.

580
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:30,759
And I got in the door and I said to Mom,

581
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:33,011
"I've never been on a
date with a girl, Mom."

582
00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:35,013
- And what did she say?
- "Thank God."

583
00:33:35,096 --> 00:33:37,474
- Can you believe that?
- What a bitch.

584
00:33:37,557 --> 00:33:40,477
That's when I started burying
the heads in the backyard.

585
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,188
- Sure.
- Right underneath Mom's bedroom window.

586
00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,399
Their faces looking right up at
her window while she was at home.

587
00:33:46,483 --> 00:33:48,777
Right under her nose, man.
I couldn't help myself.

588
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:49,878
What the fuck?

589
00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:54,324
I know it's silly, but Mom always
liked people to look up to her.

590
00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:56,993
Whoa.

591
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,745
Ugh!

592
00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:42,247
I still smell like Kemper.

593
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:46,042
Or maybe it's just CMF.

594
00:34:46,126 --> 00:34:48,920
It did smell pretty
bad, like a locker room.

595
00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:51,047
Gonna make me lose my appetite.

596
00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:01,057
So...

597
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,226
you like your mom?

598
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:06,438
Sorry. Not funny.

599
00:35:08,398 --> 00:35:10,525
Yeah. I liked my mom.

600
00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:12,611
But she's not around anymore.

601
00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:17,699
You like your wife?
602
00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:21,620
- Yes, I do.
- That's good.

603
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:26,666
I've known her all my life. I'm
not sure what I'd do without her.

604
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,628
- How about that girlfriend?
- Yeah.

605
00:35:30,712 --> 00:35:32,547
She's great. Smart.

606
00:35:33,465 --> 00:35:34,674
I think she actually likes me.

607
00:35:36,843 --> 00:35:38,303
Sounds like we got it made.

608
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:41,306
It feels good, doesn't it?

609
00:35:41,514 --> 00:35:44,476
To fly home having got the bad
guy, just like in the movies.

610
00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,395
Yeah. It feels good that
Dwight's off the street.

611
00:35:47,479 --> 00:35:49,606
But Kemper has a way of tempering that.

612
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,567
He makes you sick to
your stomach, doesn't he?

613
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:54,235
Yes.

614
00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,362
More than Dwight?
615
00:35:55,445 --> 00:35:57,355
There's nothing behind Kemper's eyes.

616
00:35:57,356 --> 00:35:59,324
It's like standing near a black hole.

617
00:36:00,909 --> 00:36:03,787
- Right.
- And he thinks we're his friends.

618
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,748
Well, he thinks you're his friend.

619
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,127
Which makes you a
pretty great FBI agent.

620
00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:24,349
I've been thinking about our
conversation with Dr. Carr.

621
00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:28,687
You have?

622
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:32,190
We're good at this shit,

623
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:34,442
even if it turns my stomach.

624
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:37,195
If we're gonna take a
backseat to everything new,

625
00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:38,405
everything interesting...

626
00:36:38,488 --> 00:36:39,614
Yeah.

627
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:42,075
If she really thinks
the idea is that good,

628
00:36:42,158 --> 00:36:45,662
that it has that much potential
to change people's lives...

629
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,040
- Yeah?
- ... maybe we should invite her down.

630
00:36:49,499 --> 00:36:52,001
Just for a day, to strategize.

631
00:36:53,002 --> 00:36:54,838
I think that's a fantastic idea.

632
00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:56,965
At least we could compile
what we have so far

633
00:36:57,048 --> 00:36:59,759
and create a plan so if we
want to talk to Shepard...

634
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:01,052
So we can be prepared.

635
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:04,723
It's a long shot.

636
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:06,474
He hates you already.

637
00:37:07,767 --> 00:37:09,602
He's beginning to hate you, too.

638
00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:13,398
Right.

639
00:37:14,983 --> 00:37:16,609
So why half-ass it?

640
00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:22,031
Dwight would have kept
doing it, just like Kemper,

641
00:37:22,115 --> 00:37:24,451
until he finally made
his way to the source.
642
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,662
It's kind of prosaic that
it's always the mother.

643
00:37:28,246 --> 00:37:32,000
It was the mother, but
in a very different way.

644
00:37:33,126 --> 00:37:34,127
More...

645
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:36,212
love.

646
00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:37,881
If you can even call it that.

647
00:37:38,590 --> 00:37:39,674
Was she hot?

648
00:37:40,216 --> 00:37:41,885
- Who?
- His mom?

649
00:37:41,968 --> 00:37:43,803
Ugh...

650
00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,990
Guys in my high school
thought my mom was hot

651
00:37:46,991 --> 00:37:49,142
and it always really disgusted me.

652
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:50,761
But then she went through chemo

653
00:37:50,762 --> 00:37:52,729
and nobody made jokes about her anymore

654
00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,815
- and it kind of made me sad.
- I didn't know your mom had cancer.

655
00:37:56,316 --> 00:37:59,194
That's why I'm always asking you
to grab my boobs when we're fucking.

656
00:37:59,277 --> 00:38:03,782
- Make you check for cancerous lumps.
- Oh, is that why?

657
00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:11,790
I can't let these guys rub off on me.

658
00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:14,125
- The way they view sex.
- And women.

659
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,553
Thanks for coming.

660
00:38:26,721 --> 00:38:28,139
I needed to see you.

661
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,062
And now that I'm all clean...

662
00:38:37,232 --> 00:38:39,712
If going down on me
while I'm filing my nails

663
00:38:39,713 --> 00:38:41,444
is your idea of being kinky...

664
00:38:42,111 --> 00:38:43,238
I'm kinky.

665
00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:49,452
I'm very kinky.

666
00:38:50,995 --> 00:38:53,581
I could impale you with this nail file.

667
00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:56,751
Then I could be a part
of your case study.

668
00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:59,337
You would be a very
compelling interviewee.

669
00:39:17,063 --> 00:39:19,107
Hey, Kenneth, can I ask you something?

670
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,775
Oh, sure. What's on your mind?

671
00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:23,385
I've, uh, done a bit of thinking about

672
00:39:23,386 --> 00:39:24,821
some of the things that we're teaching.

673
00:39:24,904 --> 00:39:28,032
In particular, the list
of deviant terminology.

674
00:39:28,116 --> 00:39:29,158
The cuss words?

675
00:39:29,242 --> 00:39:31,327
Right. Well, I was thinking more the...

676
00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,914
- descriptors of the acts.
- Uh...

677
00:39:34,998 --> 00:39:36,875
You know, fellatio, cunnilingus...

678
00:39:36,958 --> 00:39:39,002
Okay, what exactly is the issue?

679
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,337
Well, that's just it,
Ken. I don't have an issue.

680
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,756
I really don't know
that they are deviant.

681
00:39:44,757 --> 00:39:45,800
Anal violation?

682
00:39:46,426 --> 00:39:47,552
Well, no, not that one.

683
00:39:47,635 --> 00:39:49,721
- Have you talked to Bill about this?
- Oh, sure.

684
00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,264
Bill agrees with me.

685
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:54,100
And you think we should
alter the curriculum?

686
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,936
Just... take a look at the list.

687
00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,564
- Think about it, okay?
- Mm-hmm. Hmm.

688
00:40:03,568 --> 00:40:05,528
- Fuckhead?
- You can keep that.

689
00:40:05,612 --> 00:40:06,738
Fuckbag?

690
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,281
That, too.

691
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:09,991
And we're keeping "gang bang"?

692
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:11,242
What's right is right.

693
00:40:12,118 --> 00:40:13,194
Klismaphilia?

694
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,154
Klisma... what?

695
00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:17,749
Enemas. Either giving or having.
696
00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:21,035
That can stay.

697
00:40:22,921 --> 00:40:26,174
And we're losing "pussy," "dildo,"

698
00:40:26,758 --> 00:40:29,302
"fellatio," "cunnilingus."

699
00:40:29,385 --> 00:40:30,720
Are you sure about this?

700
00:40:30,803 --> 00:40:31,843
Yes.

701
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:32,931
Thank you, Marge.

702
00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:35,433
It's for the best.

703
00:40:36,726 --> 00:40:37,727
All right.

704
00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,396
So, you and Dr. Carr go back?

705
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,107
I consulted her on a
few cases here and there.

706
00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:45,693
We go back a few years. Why do you ask?

707
00:40:45,777 --> 00:40:46,778
Just curious.

708
00:40:50,323 --> 00:40:51,324
No.

709
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:53,076
- No?
- You know what I mean.

710
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,662
- I didn't mean to imply...
- I enjoy being married, thank you.

711
00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:56,955
I didn't mean...

712
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:00,249
Just... Wendy has something.

713
00:41:00,333 --> 00:41:01,668
Not sexual.

714
00:41:04,045 --> 00:41:05,213
Maybe a little sexual.

715
00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:09,258
But her ideas and her energy,
she... I sound like an idiot.

716
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:11,594
You sound like you
have a crush on teacher.

717
00:41:11,678 --> 00:41:15,014
It's just someone like her embracing
this project says something.

718
00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:18,935
- Don't you think?
- I get it.

719
00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:21,145
Old Man Tench jumps onboard, so what?

720
00:41:21,229 --> 00:41:23,272
Grumpy old Shepard, who cares?

721
00:41:23,356 --> 00:41:25,733
- But the foxy professor...
- That's not fair.

722
00:41:27,443 --> 00:41:28,444
That's her.

723
00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,034
- Dr. Carr.
- Agent Ford.

724
00:41:35,118 --> 00:41:37,161
- Welcome to Quantico.
- Thank you.

725
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:38,705
How was your trip?

726
00:41:39,372 --> 00:41:42,333
It was a little dull to be honest.
I was grading papers, but...

727
00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:44,752
We can stop at the cafeteria
for a coffee if you like.

728
00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:46,754
No, I'm fine. I had some this morning.

729
00:41:47,922 --> 00:41:49,257
We're just this way.

730
00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:52,552
So what are you teaching?

731
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,555
Um, I'm teaching a class

732
00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:58,099
on the intersection
of sociopathy and fame.

733
00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:01,728
People like, um... Andy
Warhol, Jim Morrison.

734
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:05,523
Their celebrity becomes the only
thing they need to sustain their ego.

735
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:08,359
- Nixon was a sociopath.
- Very similar.

736
00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:10,778
How do you get to be
president of the United States

737
00:42:10,862 --> 00:42:12,113
if you're a sociopath?

738
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,199
The question is, how do you get to
be president of the United States

739
00:42:15,283 --> 00:42:17,493
if you're not?

740
00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:21,873
That's why this work is so vital.
It goes so much further than the FBI.

741
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:25,376
- All the way to the White House.
- Perhaps, yeah.

742
00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:30,918
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