The Thunders Speak Although I believe that there is both a literal and symbolic meaning to all of this, I will

l focus on the symbolic meanings for the most part. I think that the Trumpets are the calamities in the form of literal events that occur (perhaps fire signs) which set in motion the end results of each verse. The results of the trumpets are given in symbolic terms for us to unseal.
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8:6 And the seven messengers who |have the seven trumpets make themselves ready that they should be trumpeting. It seems that whenever the word seven is used in scripture it is to be taken sequentially in time. Seven messengers therefore must be 7 years (first presence) or months (second presence) of trumpeting and ensuing calamities that will occur in order to test the faith of those who have been called into one of the three main salvation covenants during this time (Faith [Abraham], water [Isaac], spirit [Jacob]). The calamities are then the basis for physical and mental persecutions or tribulations over not the flesh (although the flesh is our primary opponent in this battle) but over the spirit. The spiritual wickedness in high places (Eph 6:12) is seeking to do war with the remaining ones of her seed (Rev 12:17). Her being the holy spirit who from heaven baptizes people into the various salvation covenants. These different covenanted groups are tested (burned in fire) in different ways by their respective trumpets as you will see. Those who have a circumcision of the heart even if they have not realized faith but by their having the law (of conscience) unto themselves are also included in this test. It appears that the test begins with Ephraim who represents the good for nothing slave at the time of this trumpet but it also affects all of the rest of the tribes who are scattered throughout the world in the various salvation covenants. I believe that this may have already occurred. .
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8:7 And the first trumpets. And there came to be hail~ and fire omixed~ inwith blood, and it was cast into the earth, and a *third of the earth was burned up, and a *third of the trees were burned up, and everyall green grass was burned up. First we must understand what hail, fire and blood represents.lets go to Isaiah for hail: 28:1 Woe! Proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim! And decaying blossom of its stately beauty, which is at the head of the fertile ravine, drunkards for whom there is no wine!
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28:2 Behold! The anger of Yahweh is steadfast and resolute as a hail storm, a stinging horror, as a storm of waters, abundant, overflowing. And He drags it to the earth by His hand.
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28:3 With their feet will they tramp the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim,

So hail is defined for us as the anger of Yahovah and the stinging horror hail produces as described later in this document in the same way as a scorpion stings. It is the exposure of ones sins in sight of angels and of man (sin is the sting of death). Fire of course represents either a refining or judgment (perhaps both) and these being mixed with blood (anointing blood of the Messiah) tells us it is Ephraim (and all of the sons of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) in the true ecclesia who are tested first. The phrase a third of the earth burned up represents that part of the Management/administration of this composite slave who is in actuality supporting spiritual wickedness in high places in order to mislead the flocks into worshipping idols (men who like to play God by saying He only speaks through them) instead of worshipping Yahovah and Yahushua. These men who have come up some other way have caused many to go astray so they have been judged and burned up from a spiritual standpoint (Probably Gehenna bound). The third of the trees burned up represents the judgment and destruction of overseers and priests who like the first group have no real faith but are pretending to because of the status and glory in front of men is gives them. The all green grass burned up represents those of shallow faith that turned away from personal research and the unleavened word of God in search of the truth and to constantly test the spirit of their priests. These are the ones who quickly due to not having depth of soil whither under the persecution of

false priestly authority and the pressures of day to day living..putting their faith in men instead of the Word that went forth from Yahovah.
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8:8 And the second messenger trumpets. And as it were a great mountain burning~ with fire was cast into the sea, and a *third of the sea became~ blood, The great mountain is all of spiritual Israel today. These are all of those in the world who have been declared righteous in the flesh due to their faith but have not found the truth and/or the life yet and perfected that faith through works. Being cast into the sea means that these have all been called out of the world (organized religion or better known as false religion - Babylon). The blood again represents the atoning blood of Messiah through the various cups he drank at the last supper for there were four of them (two before the meal, one during the meal and one after the meal)! This second trumpet triggers the beginning of understanding for those who have been on the watch throughout the world in order to find the true Mountain of Yahovah as it rises above all of the others.
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8:9 and a *third of the creatures in the sea, *which |have a soul, died, and a *third of the ships decayed. Creatures in the sea represent those who have no loyalty to organized religion anymore and Soul represents life so these had the faith of Abraham but a third of them did not perfect that faith by works and as a result failed their final test somehow. Perhaps they just gave up on their faith since many in the sea are atheistic in nature? Ships (ploion) means vessels and comes from the root (pleo) meaning plunge which come from (pluno)
meaning plunge i.e. launder clothing. So these represent those who were once water baptized but are in a severely weakened and defiled condition for decayed means to rot or be perverted. So in essence, the body (flesh) is the vessel or ship that contains our spirit and that body must remain clean or in a laundered state (as these were declared righteous in the flesh). Since a third of the ships were decayed it would seem that these have maintained a little faith but once again yoked themselves to the unclean thing in some way that defiled their baptism so these require repentance and forgiveness.
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8:10 And the third messenger trumpets. And a large star falls out of *heaven, burning~ as a torch. And it falls on a *third of the rivers and on the springs of water. This large star is the leader of the Church of Rome (Catholic Church/Vatican [Pope]). This trumpet signifies the fulfillment of Rev 17 as it (the mother of all prostitutes) has been exposed by the beast as having been riding it and effectively controlling all mercantile law (it is the money changer in the temple).
CLV Re 17:16 And the ten horns which you perceived, and the wild beast, these will be hating the prostitute, and they will be making her desolate~ and naked, and they will be eating~ her *flesh, and they will be burning her up inwith fire,

So the ten horns and the wild beast expose the corruption of the Church of Rome who rides the beast causing it to fall out of heaven (metaphoric as the people in her actually believe she is commissioned from heaven to look after them). After all they said so The phrase as a torch tells us that it is not to be construed as a true torch lighting the way to salvation but a false torch leading off to destruction. The star falls on a third of the rivers so out of the three global monotheistic religions, only those who are channeled or directed/controlled by the Church of Rome are exposed as corrupt. The rivers represent the overseers who are guided by the earth (administration) of the Vatican, who teaches the false doctrines which are the springs of water that bubble up from the well of the church.
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8:11 And the name of the star is |said~ to be *Absinth. And a *third of the waters became~ into absinth, and many of *=mankind died out of the waters, seeing that they were made bitter.

Absinth means a type of bitterness. A third of the waters means a third of all the peoples of the earth where the prostitute is sitting (on the beast out of the sea).
CLV Re 17:15 And he is saying to me, "These *waters which you perceived, where the prostitute is sitting~, are peoples and throngs and nations and languages.

The earths population is just over 6 billion and around 2 billion (a third of the waters) of them are considered to be Christians who are in fact of the world through their churches corporate status. These are all of her daughters who find that they cannot drink from the springs of water due to the bitterness. But many of mankind died (lost all of their faith) not all so some continued to put their faith in Yahovah and Yahushua by coming out of her!
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8:12 And the fourth messenger trumpets. And a *third of the sun and a *third of the moon and a of the stars were eclipsed (eplhgh), that a *third of them may be darkened, and the day may not be appearing for a *third of it, and the night likewise. This obviously is a worldwide phenomenon and since we have identified the players in the first three trumpets, these must represent the rest of those with faith in some way. The a third of the sun helios means ray or light and therefore must represent a third of those who have faith in Yahovah the living God. These have the Father but do not have the Son as they either think that they are one in the same being (triune god) or are of the Jewish faith who reject the Messiah as the Son. And a third of the moon selene meaning attractiveness or to take for oneself (root) so must represent those who have faith in a god but do not believe in the Jewish God. These may be any one of the thousands of worshippers of other deities. a third of the stars must represent those who believe in the Messiah as the Son of Yahovah (have the Father and the Son), have been spirit baptized as sons of Jacob but have not yet been water baptized. None of these were part of the first three trumpet groups. The word for eclipsed here is used only once in all of the scriptures and means to pummel or to flatten with repeated blows or to be punished. So basically a third from each of these groups will be given strokes that are used to humble them as they are now beginning to perceive the truth (He only disciplines those He loves). This third of the light from the three groups has now diminished since those who have been enlighten by the true light of and life of knowledge no longer give off the kind of light they used to (i.e. false teachings) day or night.
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8:13 And I perceived, and I hear one eagle flying~ in mid-heaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe! woe! woe! to *those dwelling on the earth outas a result of the rest of the soundings of the trumpets of the three messengers *who are |about to be trumpeting!" These are obviously judgment on the ungodly ones of the world. Flying angel represents the sons of Jacob who are guided with spiritual insight and realize what the Thunders have spoken. This loud voice literally means to disclose or enlighten. Those dwelling on the earth are those who reside or cohabitate within the administration of or support Babylon in an ungodly way. These trumpets are for those who were not a part of the previous trumpets as judgment starts with the house of God first.
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9:1 And the fifth messenger trumpets. And I perceived a star ofallen out of *heaven into the earth. And to him was given the key of the well of the submerged chaos. CLV Re 9:3 And out of the fumes came out locusts into the earth, and license was granted them as the scorpions of the earth |have license. This star
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9:4 And it was declared to them that they should not be injuring the grass of the earth, nor everyany green thing, nor everyany tree, except *those of =mankind whoany |have not the seal of *God on *their foreheads. The Grass of the earth is not said to be green so these are people who have law unto themselves (law of their conscience) and have a circumcision of the heart (due to love) for their neighbors. The Green things are those who now after the other trumpets have begun to believe and are coming to repentance.

A tree is a spiritual guide or leader who provides spiritual food and shelter to others (those who are not against us are for us). These all have the seal of God in their foreheads and are protected from the rest of the calamities. But those of mankind who do not fit in this group (ungodly ones) are in for some pretty tough times!
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9:5 And it was granted to them, not that they should be killing them, but that they shall be tormented five months; and their *torment is as the torment of a scorpion, whenever it should be striking a humanman. Five months from the time of this trumpet. We must bear in mind that a scorpion is noted for its painful sting. This sting represents sin which is what we are judged by and the power of sin is the law. This striking is public exposure to their sins piled clear up to heaven.
CLV 1C 15:56 Now the sting of Death is sin, yet the power of sin is the law.

In the day of Moses the law set forth was the written code that condemned men for they were under a curse in that they could never achieve salvation through works of the law (it was basically impossible for men to do). They were under this curse due to their lack of faith just as mankind is today as they are all under the same Talmudic Roman Catholic Cult laws of men (the revised written code). That is why we are told to Come out from her my people for their authority is only over those without the seal of God. Five months
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9:6 And in those *days *humanmen will be seeking *death, and under no circumstances shall they be finding it. And they will be yearning to |die, and *death is fleeing from them. It is too late for those who do not have the seal of God in their foreheads for they would not put faith in the Word that God sent forth. The death they are seeking cannot be physical as physical death does not flee anyone for we can all take our own lives easily. This is people trying to find death through baptism into our Messiah but their cries are not heard anymore. They are bound for Gehenna so physical death itself frightens them to no end!
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9:7 And the likenesses of the locusts are like horses made oready~ intofor battle, and on their are as it were wreaths like gold, and their *faces are as it were =human faces,

Locusts are ravenous creatures that devour everything in their path moving from one field to another day by day, horses are strong creatures and usually represent the vehicle for whoever is riding it. Since these are made for battle they have been prepared for this one purpose. The heads represent the controlling part of the body (the thought behind it). The wreaths like gold are not really gold but appear as gold,
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9:8 and they had =hair as the =hair of women, and their *teeth are as if they were lions'.

9:9 And they had cuirasses, as it were cuirasses of iron, and the sound of their *wings is as the sound of many chariot horses racing into battle.

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9:10 And they |have tails like scorpions, and stings, and their *license is to injure *=mankind five months inwith their *tails.
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9:11 They |have a king onover them--the messenger of the submerged chaos. His Hebrew name is Abaddon, and in *Greek he |has the name Apollyon.
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9:12 *One *woe passed away. |Lo~! Coming~ still are two woes after these. 9:13 And the sixth messenger trumpets. And I hear one voice out of the horns of the golden *altar is sight ofbefore *God, 9:14 saying to the sixth messenger *who |has the trumpet, "Loose the four messengers *who are the great *river Euphrates."

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9:15 And loosed were the four messengers, *made oready~ intofor the hour, and day, and month, and year, that they mayshould be killing a *third of *=mankind.

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9:16 And the number of the troops of *cavalry was two hundred millions--I hear their *number.

9:17 And thus I perceived the horses in the vision, and *those sitting~ on them, having cuirasses fiery and amethystine and sulphurous; and the heads of the horses are as the heads of lions, and out of their *mouths is issuing~ fire and fumes and sulphur.
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9:18 fromBy these *three calamities were killed a *third of *=mankind: outby the fire and the fumes and the sulphur *which is issuing~ out of their *mouths.
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9:20 And the rest of *=mankind, who were not killed in these *calamities, repent not yet out of the acts of their *hands--that they will not be worshiping the demons and *idols of *gold and *silver and *copper and *stone and *wood, which are neither |able~ to be observing nor to be hearing nor to be walking-CLV Re

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9:21 and they repent not out of their *murders, nor out of their *enchantments, nor out of their nor out of their *thefts.

10:1 And I perceived another strong messenger descending out of *heaven, oclothed~ with a cloud, and the rainbow on his *head, and his *face as the sun, and his *feet as pillars of fire,
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10:2 and having in his *hand a tiny oopen~scroll. And he _oplaces his *right *foot on the sea, yet the left on the land.
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10:3 And he cries with a loud voice, even as a lion is bellowing~. And when he cries, the seven thunders speak with *their selfown voices.
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10:4 And when the seven thunders speak, I was about to be writing. And I hear a voice out of saying, "Seal what things the seven thunders speak," and "Them you should not be writing."

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16:13 And I perceived, out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the wild beast [out of the sea], and out of the mouth of the false prophet [beast out of the land],
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16:14 three unclean spirits, as if frogs (for they are spirits of demons, doing signs), which are going~ out onto the kings of the whole |inhabited~ earth, to be mobilizing them intofor the battle of the great *day of *God *Almighty. This mobilization is not about physical war but persecution of those of faith.
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16:15 ("|Lo~! I am coming~ as a thief! Happy is he *who is watching and keeping his *garments, that he may not be walking naked and they may be observing his *indecency!") Those told to keep watching and keeping their garments are anyone who is in one of the three main salvation covenants, faith, water, spirit. Armageddon means *Har (Mountain or range of mountains) i.e. world governments.Migiddown (rendezvous) from the root abdan which means a perishing. If you lose your garment you become naked which means you have lost your faith garment
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16:16 And they mobilized them

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the place *|called~, in Hebrew, "Armageddon."

So in effect we must remain faithful even unto death if necessary..