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Jesus Died & Rose Again! (Debate Presentation)
Jesus Died & Rose Again! (Debate Presentation)
on the Cross?
Evidence for the Death of Jesus (and
His resurrection)
The
be raised the third day. — Matthew 16:21
from Jesus until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.” —
Matthew 17:9
The Prediction
from Jesus “But after I have been resurrected, I will go ahead of
you to Galilee.” — Matthew 26:32
Himself
They kept this word to themselves, discussing what
“rising from the dead” meant. — Mark 9:10
• So the Jews replied to Him, “What sign of
authority will You show us for doing these
things?” Jesus answered, “Destroy this
The sanctuary, and I will raise it up in three
days.” Therefore the Jews said, “This
Prediction sanctuary took 46 years to build, and will
from Jesus You raise it up in three days?” But He was
speaking about the sanctuary of His body.
Himself So when He was raised from the dead, His
disciples remembered that He had said this.
And they believed the Scripture and the
statement Jesus had made. — John 2:18–22
Other Bible Passages concerning Crucifixion
• As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and
they forced him to carry the cross. 33 They came to a place called
Golgotha (which means “the place of the skull”). 34 There they offered
Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to
drink it. 35 When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by
casting lots. 36 And sitting down, they kept watch over him
there. 37 Above his head they placed the written charge against
him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS. (Matthew 27:32-37)
Other Bible Passages concerning Crucifixion
• Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be
executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified
him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his
left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they
are doing.”[c] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots. (Luke
23:32-34)
Other Bible Passages concerning Crucifixion
• Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in
Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him
two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle. (John 19:17-18)
Jesus’ execution is reported in a number of
ancient sources
• In addition to the four Gospel accounts and number of letters contained in the
New Testament, all of which were written in the 1st century, the execution of
Jesus is even reported by a number of ancient non-Christian sources.
• Josephus (late 1st century)
• Tacitus (early 2nd century)
• Lucian of Samosata (early to mid 2nd century)
• Mara Bar Serapion (2nd to 3rd century)
• The fact that these non-Christians mentioned Jesus in their writings shows that
Jesus’ death was known outside of Christian circles and was not something
Christians invented.
The probability of surviving crucifixion was very low
• Crucifixion and the torture that many times preceded it may have been the
worst way to die in antiquity.
• Concerning to the scourging, a number of ancient sources describe it, such
as Josephus, a Jewish historian in the 1st century who tells of a man who had
been whipped so severely that he was filleted to the bone.
• Even if Jesus had been removed prematurely and medically assisted, His
chances of survival were bleak.
• No evidence exists that Jesus was removed while alive or that He was
provided any medical care whatsoever.
From Journal of American
Medical Association
Professional medical opinions are unanimous in concluding
that Jesus died as a result of being crucified
• Breaking the legs of a crucified victim would prevent them from pushing up
against the nail in their feet, an excruciating move, in order to make it easier to
breath, albeit temporarily.
• Due to the trauma already experienced by a crucified victim, once he had died on
a cross from a lack of oxygen and had remained dead in that position for 5
minutes, there would be no chance of resuscitating him.
• The Gospel of John reports that one of the guards pierced Jesus to confirm that
He was already dead (John 19:34-37), a practice likewise mentioned by
Quintillian, a Roman historian in the 1st century.
Even if Jesus had somehow managed to survive crucifixion, he would
not have inspired his disciples to believe he had been resurrected
• Imagine Jesus, half dead in the tomb. He revives out of coma and finds himself
afraid in the dark. He places His nail-pierced hands on the very heavy stone
blocking His exit and pushes it out of the way.
• He is met by the guards and beats them up, after which He walks blocks if not
miles on pierced and wounded feet in order to find His disciples.
• He comes to the house where disciples are staying and knocks on the door. Peter
opens the door and sees Jesus hunched over in His pathetic and mutilated state.
• Was He alive? Barely. Risen? No way
• An article in the Journal of the American Medical Association concluded:
• Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that
Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports
the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably
perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and
thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the
assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with
modern medical knowledge.
According to Critical Scholars…
Most recent scholars seem to agree that, while Paul does not
explicitly mention the empty tomb, the early tradition that
this apostle reported to others in 1 Corinthians 15:3–4
implies an empty tomb.
Many scholars also concede that Acts 13 may very well
contain another early tradition, an early sermon account
that was included in a book that was written at a later
date.
• We have shown based on evidence inside and outside the Bible that:
• Jesus really died on the cross based on the eyewitness testimony,
based on written records of the Gospel accounts, and based on non-
Christian sources
• Jesus did really had risen from the dead, and the evidence for the
empty tomb and post-resurrection appearances showed that Jesus
rose from the dead, proving that Jesus is victorious, and that we
have hope of eternal life through Him.
• For the sake of argument that Isa is the Jesus of history and of Bible,
if Surah 4:157 is true, Allah is the greatest deceiver who deceived
Jesus’ enemies and Jesus’ allies by thinking that Jesus died on the
cross although He was not really killed. It also shows that, according
to the said passage, Jesus is a total failure.
Points to of the Jews. Isaiah the Prophet also saw this when
he said that the servant of the Lord will be “a light
Consider
for the nations” (Isaiah 42:6-7) Many of the other
Psalmists and Old Testament prophets predicted
the same thing; that one day Israel would lead to
the conversion of the nations.
• Now look around: Since Jesus’ death and
resurrection, a tiny band of Jewish vagabond
fishermen turned the world upside down, and
their effect has been felt for generations until
Sign of Jonah: now. In the first century, Christianity spread
throughout Europe, North Africa, and Western
• Below is a chart showing both scarlet and purple with different shades,
in hex code, side by side. The upper grid is the direct color
presentation. The bottom grid is the same presentation with a
transparent shade over it. The shade is to simulate dim lighting
conditions, which might have been the case inside Pilate's palace where
they placed the robe on Jesus.
Scarlet and Purple
Scarlet and Purple: Depende sa nakikita ng mga
nakasaksi!
• As you can see, the colors are both different and similar depending on
the shade and the lighting. For example, dark scarlet is very similar to
darker purple. In the condition of poor lighting, the distinction is even
less apparent since the colors would appear darker.
• So, it could simply be that the robe was a dark color that could have
been accurately described by either word.
• Also, another possibility is that the robe could have been made of two
colors that were put together due to their similarity.
Literal bang 24 hours and three-day period sa
kamatayan at pagkabuhay-muli o hindi?
Ilan ba ang nagtungo sa empty tomb, isang
babae, dalawang babae o marami?
• "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb," (John 20:1).
• "Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene
and the other Mary came to look at the grave," (Matthew 28:1).
• "When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome,
bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him," (Mark 16:1).
• "But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which
they had prepared," (Luke 24:1).
When we compare these lists, a few things are
immediately apparent:
• All four gospels state that women came to Jesus' tomb early in
the morning.
• All four gospels state that Mary Magdalene was among them.
• Three of the four gospels explicitly mention that another
woman named Mary was also there.
• Three of the four gospels imply or explicitly acknowledge that
other women besides the two Marys were also present.
• None of the gospels claim or imply that they are offering an
exhaustive list.
Naganap ang pagkabuhay-muli sa
bukang-liwayway ba, sikat ang araw,
umagang-umaga, o madilim pa?
• An angel of the Lord on the stone (Matthew 28:1-2) - "Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn
toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave. 2
And behold, a severe earthquake had occurred, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and
came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it."
• A young man (Mark 16:5) - "And entering the tomb, they saw a young man sitting at the right,
wearing a white robe; and they were amazed."
• Two men (Luke 24:4) - "And it happened that while they were perplexed about this, behold, two men
suddenly stood near them in dazzling apparel."
• Two angels (John 20:1-2,12) - "Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the
tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb. 2 And so she ran
and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have
taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him...12 and she
beheld two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had
been lying."
• There is no discrepancy at all. An angel of the Lord moved the stone
and was sitting upon it outside (Matthew 28:2). The two men (
Luke 24:4) were angels (John 20:12). Mark 16:5 presents the only
potential issue and it isn't the only one at all. If there were two angels
in the tomb, then there was at least one. This one was on the right.
Therefore, we see that there was one angel outside and two on the
inside of the tomb.
Answering Mr. Ahmad
Domer’s 5 Objections
From the Latest Live Stream
Objections of Mr. Ahmad Domer
• Since God listened to the prayers of a righteous person, which is Jesus, and
answered it (quoting Surah 4:157, Mark 14 and Hebrews 5:7), it means Jesus
never died on the cross
• There is problem in the position of nails which used in the crucifixion of Jesus
• There are alleged contradictions in the seven statements of Jesus on the cross
• The issue concerning Judas Iscariot being the traitor, which allegedly proved that
Jesus never died on the cross
• The alleged problems and contradictions in the resurrection of Jesus
Objection 1 Responded
• If we read Mark 14-16, it even affirmed that Jesus really died on the cross and
had risen from the dead, disproving the claim that Jesus allegedly never died on
the cross
• If we look at Hebrews 5:1-10, we find out that Jesus was heard by God and
answered through the resurrection, not in rescuing Him from death. In fact, the
book of Hebrews presented the fact that Jesus really died on the cross for our
sins. The "rescue" He obtained was not from death, but out of death. The
resurrection of Jesus was the ultimate sign of His acceptance and approval by
God.
Objection 2 Responded
• Concerning to the issue if the nail was being placed in palm or wrist, that is not
really a problem. In fact, in the first century culture, the wrist was part of hand.
• His assumption is that the movies presented Jesus being nailed in the palms of
His hands, but the evidence showed that Jesus was nailed in His wrists, which is,
according to Mr. Domer, it is a problem. However, as we will see the evidence, we
will find out that Mr. Domer’s argument does not make any sense at all.
• In fact, we have medical evidence that shows Jesus really died on the cross
Objection 3 Responded
• In this clip, Mr. Domer assumed that the words of Jesus on the cross had
problems because of the alleged contradictions to the last sentences that Jesus
had spoken on the cross. When he says that no one can answer the said question,
it is either he ignores the answer, or he already knew the reason but choose to
deny it. Take note that he claimed to be former “Christian” and studied the Bible,
but what kind of study that he was talking about?
Objection 3 Responded
• These are the last seven sayings that Jesus said on the cross. Sometimes they are
referred to as the “Seven Words.” There’s also a bit of a debate on the exact order of the
sayings, but the following is a complete list with a plausible order. You might notice that
some of the things he said were quotes from the Old Testament. This is because Jesus
came to fulfill the Old Testament law (Matthew 3:15).
• They are referenced in all capital letters. Furthermore, Jesus said that the Scriptures bore
witness of him (John 5:39). We know that the Bible is about Jesus and so we would
expect Old Testament prophecies and allusions to Christ to be present. The following is a
list of the seven words or the seven sayings of Jesus on the cross.
Seven Statements
• Luke 23:34, “Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.”
• Luke 23:43, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
• John 19:26-27, “Woman, behold, your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your
mother!”
• Matt. 27:46, “ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” that is, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU
FORSAKEN ME?”
• John 19:28, “I am thirsty.”
• John 19:30, “It is finished!”
• Luke 23:46, “Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT.”
Objection 4 Responded
• The problem in the said argument that Mr. Domer presented is that he was
assuming that the other 11 disciples who are with Jesus in the Garden of
Gethsemane (which is ironically Mr. Domer quoted a certain passage from Mark
14) were lying. The worst here is this: When he said that Judas was the traitor
(although we agree on this because it is he who betrayed Jesus), it means that we
cannot trust what Judas has done. If so, if Mr. Domer is correct, for the sake of
the argument, since Allah declared to be best of deceivers and it is Allah who
transformed a certain guy to be like Jesus, it means we cannot trust Allah
because it is he who deceived everyone!!!
Objection 5 Responded
• Was Jesus saying that He would be dead for three full 24-hour periods before He would
rise from the dead? It does not appear so. The phrase “three days and three nights” need
not refer to a literal 72-hour period. Rather, according to the Hebrew reckoning of time,
the days could refer to three days in part or in whole. Jesus was probably crucified on a
Friday (Mark 15:42). According to the standard reckoning, Jesus died at about 3:00 PM (
Matthew 27:46) on Friday (day 1). He remained dead for all of Saturday (day 2) and rose
from the dead early on Sunday morning (day 3). Attempts to place Jesus’ death on
Wednesday to accommodate a literal 72-hour period are probably unnecessary once we
take into account the Hebrew method of reckoning of each day as beginning at sundown.
So it seems that the expression “three days and three nights” was used as a figure of
speech meant to signify any part of three days.
Latest Post of Mr. Domer and Our Reply
• Since we are in the holy week season and later will be our dialogue, our friend
presented his rants concerning to the issue about Jesus being crucified. So, let's
have some sort of analysis to his claims. Maybe, I can use two languages here,
Filipino and English, for this response.
Objection
• MUSLIM: Kung si jesus ay namatay sa kalagayan ng tao papaanong ang tao ay
matotobos nia ang kasalanan ng kapaw nia tao. At kong sia ay namatay sa
kalagayan bilang diyos papaanong ang Diyos ay mamamatay
Reply
• Dito ay na-misunderstood niya ang issue about Jesus being crucified for the sins
of men. To put it simply, inassume niya na, dahil tao lang si Jesus ayon sa Islam,
imposibleng matubos ni Jesus ang sangkatauhan. At kung si Jesus daw ay Diyos
ayon sa kaniyang opinion, paanong namatay diumano ang Diyos?
• Kung siya ay nagclaim na dati raw Kristiyano (bagamat hindi naman talaga siya
Kristiyano to begin with maliban lamang kung tunay nga niyang tinanggap si
Jesus bilang Panginoon at Tagapagligtas), he should know better. Explain natin.
• Totoo na si Jesus ay tao, tunay na tao, yamang Siya ay naging tao at nanahan sa
sangkatauhan 2000 years ago (John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-8). Opo, naranasan Niya
ang ating naranasan bilang tao maliban sa isa: SI JESUS AY HINDI
NAGKASALA. HE IS THE SINLESS ONE. Sa Islam, walang explanation kung
bakit sinless si Jesus. Pero sa Christianity, malinaw na ang pagiging sinless ni
Jesus ay nagpapatunay sa Kaniyang divine nature. Kaya, yamang si Jesus lamang
ang sinless, Siya lamang ang nararapat na maging perpektong handog alang-alang
sa sangkatauhan. Bukod pa rito, hindi namatay ang divine nature ni Kristo.
• I think naniniwala siyang ang kamatayan ay hindi iyung tipong namatay ang Isang
tao ay tapos na ang lahat. I think naniniwala siyang may kaluluwa ang tao. Kaya
ang tanong: nang mamatay si Jesus, ibig bang sabihin, He ceased to exist o pati
kaluluwa Niya ay wala na? Bukod pa rito, ang human nature ni Jesus ang
namatay. Iyan ang malinaw dyan.
• So, iyung claim niyang may problema raw sa topic about the crucifixion of Jesus
is just based on his misunderstandings in Christian teaching.
Objection
• MUSLIM: Imagine sa bible tatlo silang pinako bukod tanging si jesus lang ang
namatay. Kung ang rason nila kung bakit dahil daw pinahirapan pa at pinagpapalo.
Imagine sumali ako sa fraternity na talagang halos wasakin ang hita ko sa
kakapalo buhay parin ako.
Reply
• Irony of all ironies, bakit namatay so Jesus sa point na iyan? Nagreview ba siya ng
medical at historical facts ukol dyan? Isa pa, guilty siya sa tinatawag na category
mistake fallacy iyan. Bakit ikinumpara niya ang naganap na scourging kay Kristo
sa pamamalo sa fraternity? Even it can compare at the said point, may mga
namamatay pa rin sa pamamalo, lalo na sa hazing! By the way, isipin mo ito.
• Sa scourging pa lang, iyung paghagupit pa lang ay madali nang maubusan ng
dugo dahil hindi lang basta hahagupitin ang likod. Dahil sa scourging na iyan,
iyung likod ng taong nahagupit ay nakaranas ng sobrang sakit na naramdaman
yamang naexposed ang likod sa mga sugat at laman nito.
• Bukod pa dyan, kapagka napako si Jesus sa krus, hindi rin basta-basta dahil, sa
loob ng 6 hours, itinataas ni Jesus ang Kaniyang sarili gamit ang mga parang
nakatuntong kahit nakapako para makahinga Siya nang maayos.
• Nang si Jesus ay namatay due to suffocation, at nang sinaksak ang Kaniyang
tagiliran, lumabas doon ang dugo at tubig. May medical evidence na nagpapatoo
na galing ito sa ruptured heart. Kung gayon, ganoon ang nangyari kay Jesus. Hindi
binali ang Kaniyang mga binti gaya ng ginawa sa dalawa pang mga nakapako na
kasama Niya sapagkat napansin ng mga Roman soldiers na namatay na talaga
Siya.
• So, mga kwentong barbero ng Bible ba? Hindi po. In fact, mas malalang
kwentong barbero sa Quran dahil walang historical evidence na nagpapatunay sa
claims ng Surah 4:157. Pero sabihin nating totoo ang Surah 4:157,
• Si Allah ang pinakadakilang nanloloko
• Si Allah ang umimbento ng Christianity at hindi si Pablo
• Si Jesus ay isang bigo
Questions
• Besides the Quran, what are the external evidence that supports to the
belief that Jesus did not die on the cross?
• In Surah 4:157, it insists that Allah rescued Isa and replaced someone. If
so, does it prove that Allah deceives, not only Isa’s enemies, but also his
disciples? If yes or no, why?
• Is there any Hadith commentary that supports Surah 4:157?
• What are your reasons to believe in a certain document that has been
written almost 500 years after the time of Jesus and His disciples?