United States v. 2601 W. Ball RD., Hearing Transcript, December 3, 2012 (SACV 12-01345 AG)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

--HONORABLE ANDREW J. GUILFORD, JUDGE PRESIDING; COURTROOM 10D
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CERTIFIED TRANSCRIPT
United States of America,
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Plaintiff(s),
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vs.
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Real Property Located at
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2601 West Ball Road,
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Anaheim, California,
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Defendant(s).
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REPORTER'S DAILY TRANSCRIPT OF PRETRIAL PROCEEDINGS
SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA
MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2012
DENISE PADDOCK
CSR 10199, CMRS, RMR, CRR
transcripts@ocrecord.com
U.S. DISTRICT COURT REPORTER
A P P E A R A N C E S
120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D
SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)
USA
REAL
PROPERTY
IN BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF:

P Greg Parham
AUSA - Office of US Attorney
Asset Forfeiture Division
312 North Spring Street, 14th Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90012
213-894-6528
Fax: 213-894-7177
Email: USACAC.Criminal@usdoj.gov
IN BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT:
Matthew S Pappas
Lee H Durst
Matt Pappas Law
22762 Aspan Street
Suite 202-107
Lake Forest, CA 92630
949-371-7881
Fax: 949-242-2605
Email: matt.pappas@mattpappaslaw.com
120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D USA REAL PROPERTY SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)
SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2012
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Real Property Located at 2601 West Ball Road, Anaheim.
United States of America versus
MR. PARHAM:
Greg Parham, Assistant United States Attorney,
Good morning, Your Honor.
for the government.
THE COURT:
The motion to dismiss is scheduled for 10:00;
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All right.
right?
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MR. PARHAM:
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THE COURT:
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MR. PARHAM:
Right.
Do you think maybe they got confused?
You know, there were dual times that
we've got.
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We've got a scheduling conference obviously set for
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9:00, motion at 10:00, maybe he got confused but he hasn't
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told me one way or the other.
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THE COURT:
MR. PARHAM:
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THE COURT:
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MR. PARHAM:
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THE COURT:
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Well, I'm going to assume he's
confused.
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Matter Item 3,
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Okay.
SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx):
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THE COURT:
Okay.
So I commend you for being here early.
Thank you.
I could have -- well, the motion to
dismiss is set for 10:00, so I can't have you argue that.

Let's just put everything over to 10:00.
09:12
MR. PARHAM:
THE COURT:
Thank you.
MR. PARHAM:
(An unrelated matter was handled at this time.)
THE CLERK:
10:00
10:00
10:00
All right.
That's what we'll do.
Thank you, Your Honor.
Item 3, SACV 12-1345:
United States of
America v Real Property Located at 2601 West Ball Road,
Anaheim.
MR. PAPPAS:
Good morning, Judge.
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Matthew Pappas for the claimants.
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THE COURT:
Welcome, Mr. Pappas.
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MR. DURST:
Good morning, Your Honor.
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Lee Durst, also for the claimants.
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THE COURT:
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Let me catch up here.
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(Pause in the proceedings.)
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THE COURT:
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I have Mr. Pappas, I have Mr. Durst, and --
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MR. PARHAM:
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Greg Parham, Assistant United States Attorney, for
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10:01
All right.
Wait just one moment.
Okay.
Good morning again, Your Honor.
the government.
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THE COURT:
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Folks, why doesn't everyone have a seat.
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We've got some work to do here.
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(An unrelated matter was handled at this time.)
All right.
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THE COURT:
It's another case involving Mr. Durst.
Were you originally scheduled on a case where you
No, no.
were the plaintiff today, Durst versus -MR. DURST:
First Southern?
THE COURT:
Yes.
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MR. DURST:
Well, I don't think it's today.
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My understanding is it was later in the month.
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THE COURT:
What's the status of that case?
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MR. DURST:
They have been served and -- but we've
had no responses or anything else.
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We had to do the amended complaint you -- per your

instructions, we did the amended complaint.
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We then served them.
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They have not previously answered the first
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Is it on James, the --
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10:02
maybe now is not the right time to bring it up.

MR. PAPPAS:
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10:01
First, on an unrelated note -- well,
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THE COURT:
complaint.
So that's where we're at now, we're just waiting
for them to answer.
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THE COURT:
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We will pick up the scheduling conference at the
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end of our discussions that we're about to have right now.
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Okay.
Then let's move to this case.
We did not issue a tentative in this case.
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I have -- frankly, I have so many questions to ask.
I think it best that I let the defense start with
the presentation of their 12(b)(6) motion and I'll ask
questions as we go along.
You know --
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
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Thank you, Judge.

-- I love reading your papers.
Thank you.
You had me on the plains of Runnymede.
I was wondering how that was going to help me with

this case.
I was wondering if King John was going to come out
and light one up.
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(Laughter.)
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THE COURT:
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I like all of that, but this is a district court
I'm being a little facetious.
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and this is a 12(b)(6) motion and at times I thought in your
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papers you were kind of rearguing James I and James II and,
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you know, that's -- that's done.
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I think each of the three cases -- the three major
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cases have all presented, you know, very interesting
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and unique theories.
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I mean, I'm summing up, maybe too broadly or too
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simply, but, you know, ADA, what goes on in DC stays in DC
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and not in California and now this.
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And, again, I had at times trouble parsing out from
your papers from Magna Carta today to, you know, arguments
that weren't raised previously that have direct relation to
this very interesting action taken by the government which
seems to be, you know, a huge step forward or step backward
in this whole situation.
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So let me ask, for this situation, not revisiting
James I, James II or whatever, what do you think your
strongest argument is?
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Because you and I may disagree about what your
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strongest argument is, and I think you've got some strong
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arguments.
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What do you think your strongest argument is right

now?
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MR. PAPPAS:
I think that's probably the strongest argument in

terms of the 12(b)(6), just looking at it technically.
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That the complaint is based on a $37
marijuana transaction.
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THE COURT:
Where is that argument made in your
papers?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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There is --
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THE COURT:
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The opening paragraph (reading) the plaintiffs --
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It's in the reply, more than anything.
See, it's good to give me that.
opening paragraph (reading):
Your clients might be losing
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real property based on a $37 marijuana transaction that they
didn't participate in; is that correct?
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
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I think.
MR. PAPPAS:
I chose, of course, as I have previously,
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papers, so -THE COURT:
Okay.
So if that's your No. 1
argument, what do you think your No. 2 argument is?

MR. PAPPAS:
I think the No. 2 argument is that the
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Jalalis have a right -- the claimants have a right to rely on
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state law in this area and a fundamental right to do so
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because --
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I think that is a strong argument.
Your Honor, to argue the more esoteric arguments in the
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That's a pretty strong opening argument
instead of Runnymede.
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That's correct.
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THE COURT:
You know, but, see, right there, that
was taken care of in Raich.

If I was on the Supreme Court in Raich, we might
have had a different result, but I'm not.
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I mean, that was taken care of in Raich, isn't it?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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Because I think after Raich comes Oregon and I
I don't think it is.
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think in Oregon the Supreme Court makes clear that the CSA is
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a law that targets recreational drug activities and not
medical drug activities.
10:06
The two dissents there, especially, from Justice
Thomas and Justice Scalia make clear that the court's
decision that day, in 2006, I think it was, limits the scope
of the CSA.
And so you've got that combined with a series of
actions by the article two branch, including the David Ogden
memorandum in 2009.
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THE COURT:
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court, but that is -- I tie that argument to the federal lift
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argument.
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THE COURT:
Let me dramatically state your
argument.
The Department of Justice tells the world that they
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aren't going to be prosecuting medical marijuana
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dispensaries.
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They didn't say "exactly."
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They said not economically efficient.
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They tell the world that.
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Your clients, modest property owners -- and what
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Which is -- I would agree with the
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I think that is your best argument.
MR. PAPPAS:
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were their professions?
Pretty appealing.
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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What did they do?
A computer engineer and a dentist.

A computer engineer and a dentist.
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president in 2008 and trusted the Department of Justice when
they issued that letter, which they didn't have to issue
and now the government says someone acting in reliance on
that is going to lose their property?
thing by the United States government, which, if perpetrated
by an individual would probably be actionable fraud.
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MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
I would -Can you bring a class action against
the United States of America?
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I mean it -- that strikes me as a strong argument.
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So you're getting a little chance here to get ready
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It sounds to me like maybe a revenue generating
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They trusted the president when he ran for
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to respond, Counsel.
And, yet, you know, the Ogden letter, if I look at
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your table of contents, you say it's presented on Page 17,
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it's presented pretty briefly on Page 17, actually, it's
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presented on Page 11 and 17, although your table of contents
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only says Page 17.
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And by the way, it's Ogden with an "S."
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I think I misspoke.
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And so that's a pretty good argument.
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What about that argument?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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Well, I think that's the argument that
I'm making.
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at a legal that that ties to the government not being able to
do this, and -- and so the way that I'm referencing it here
in the paper -- and I apologize, I probably didn't update the
table of contents before I printed this -- was to say that
the Jalalis have this substantive due process right to rely
on that statement, as well as the decision in Oregon saying
that this law targets recreational drug abuse, not medical
use of drugs -- and a slew of other things -- the state's
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laws to -- to show that they have a right to look at the
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state's sovereign's laws, in this area traditionally
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belonging to the states, rather than to the remote central
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power.
What -- it seems to me, as I went
through the rather voluminous papers, the government was
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saying they gave notice, and you seem to be contesting that.

MR. PAPPAS:
Well, they gave -- they allege that
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they gave notice through a letter sent by the city of Anaheim
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to the Jalalis.
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THE COURT:
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I think the Ogden memorandum -- I'm trying to look
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Not from direct notice by the government to the

claimants, but from a letter by the city of Anaheim.
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And I take issue --
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THE COURT:
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So you're saying, one, that wasn't from the Feds?
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MR. PAPPAS:
Hold on.
There's no allegation in the complaint
that the federal government ever notified the Jalalis
directly.
10:09
THE COURT:
not from the feds, and I have a letter from Mr. Ogden from
the feds.
MR. PAPPAS:
10:09
THE COURT:
So what else were you going to say on
notice?
MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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You also in your papers ask that I set forth
Well, I've forgotten now, but -Let me ask you this.
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pleading rules or that I expand the pleading rules or that I
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create the law that in pleading an action such as this the
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government has -- has to say what that they haven't said?
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law.
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His belief was that he's in compliance with the
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Indeed, when I met with Mr. Jalali, he
said, I didn't do anything wrong.
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So the Jalalis might say, well, that's
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MR. PAPPAS:
That there is -- No. 1, that they
notified the claimants in this type of case.
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
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I'm saying that --
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THE COURT:
So that should be -A requirement of the pleading.
But you just said there is a notice
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allegation, but not from the plaintiff, from the local
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authorities?
MR. PAPPAS:
And that letter that was sent by Anaheim, Judge,
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THE COURT:
MR. PAPPAS:
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So what do you mean "somebody else"?

The claimants received, apparently, a
courtesy copy, according to the government, who -- it was
allegedly sent to them as a courtesy copy.
So --
THE COURT:
Because it was also sent to the owners
of the shop?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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That's the allegation in the complaint.
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THE COURT:
Apparently, yes.
Okay.
So the complaint says it's sent
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to the owners of the shop, and included as a courtesy are the
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owners of the property?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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element of a claim for relief?
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From a third-party.
was sent to somebody else, and then a --
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MR. PAPPAS:
Okay.
And you think that should be an
In this type of case, I believe it
should be.
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
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I'm --
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THE COURT:
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Yes.
And what's your authority for that?

I don't have any authority.
You know, I -- that's a fair statement
that -- that this is a fairly new situation, and under these
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circumstances maybe we need to create additional elements of
that claim for relief.
But what if they say, we allege notice?
You just don't think it's sufficient notice?
MR. PAPPAS:
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have a verification by a DEA officer, there's no verification
that notice went out other than to say the city of Anaheim
sent this notice to somebody and then they were sent a
courtesy copy.
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And I think, in terms of Rule G(5) there is a
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specific factual pleading requirement, and part of that
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should be, in this type of case, that the government give
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notice to the claimants.

THE COURT:
Okay.
On the issue of what pleading
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requirements we have is the related issue about whether this
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should be resolved at a 12(b)(6) hearing or at a summary
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judgment hearing, and it seems to me there are layers of
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facts that you would best present at a summary judgment
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rather than a 12(b)(6) hearing.
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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Let me phrase it more directly.
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Can you name for me cases where Constitutional
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I mean, they allege the notice, they
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Right.
What about that?
issues are resolved at 12(b)(6) rather than summary judgment?

MR. PAPPAS:
No, not off the top of my head.
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And -- and I think that this is purely
law and I think -THE COURT:
Well, but I'm not -- I'm going to push
know these facts, the notice, what was the nature of the
notice, who did it come from?
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Did your client know that it really was coming from

the government?
Of course your papers say this was all a ruse
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and it was coming -- the locals were using the Feds to do
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their dirty work.

Doesn't that all create factual issues that you
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would like best to create a record on appeal through a
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summary judgment process rather than a 12(b)(6) process?
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MR. PAPPAS:
The pleading itself has to be
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sufficiently factually pled in detail to show that the
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government will meet its burden at the time of trial.
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And it has included in the complaint these
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allegations that are essentially a -- a printout of an
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Internet Website, weedmaps.com.
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MR. PAPPAS:
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if it's just purely law you can resolve it at a 12(b)(6).
back there -- I'm sorry to keep interrupting you -- but you
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But your response would be, but, Judge
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THE COURT:
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If we're looking at the admissibility of that, the
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substantive value that has in terms of meeting their burden
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at trial, I think there's a problem there.
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transaction and then the fact that the -- an Anaheim officer
went to the facility, saw that it was a closed marijuana
collective at one point, and then somebody else from Anaheim
went there and apparently smelled marijuana.

Those are the -- that's the substance of the
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substantial detailed facts that are supposed to be pled in
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the complaint.
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And -- and so I -- I -- I don't think those are

substantially substantial enough.
THE COURT:
What do you think the purpose of the
Webpage printout was in the complaint?
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What did that establish?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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The only other facts in the complaint that would
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anonymous, they're from this Website.
be -- that have to be detailed are the $37 marijuana
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The -- the -- the statements they include are
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I think it created ire with the court
to show that, perhaps, patience --
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
Have I been ired?

I don't -- but I think the purpose was
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that, that's my opinion, because I don't think those are
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admissible statements and I think the -- the statement by
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these anonymous individuals doesn't go to anything that is
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directly tie-able, at least legally, to this facility.
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Anyone could go on the Internet and put these
things out there.
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THE COURT:
about whether the government is claiming this is
nonmedicinal.
Would that printout if it were authentic, suggest
that it was nonmedicinal?
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MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
And so I'm just wondering if the
I must say, when I look at the last five pages of
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the Orange County Weekly, it kind of jumps out to me that
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some of this is nonmedicinal.
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You can't put a stethoscope on a sexy nurse and all

of a sudden claim it's "medicinal."
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And you know, the quote here (reading), Happy New
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Years, my fellow potheads.
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on.
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hooked me up with some Plane Wreck.
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Man, Remedy Tree gots it going
I picked up some Platinum, some Blackberry, and then
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Okay.
government is claiming nonmedicinal?
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If you read the statements it -- it
may; yes.
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I'm still wondering why that
printout is relevant and it goes specifically to my wonder
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Okay.
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It doesn't look like he's concerned about his

arthritis.
MR. PAPPAS:
Well, we don't know that because we
don't know who that is.

THE COURT:
We don't.
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the CSA and it hasn't been effective at stopping the
recreational use of OxyContin that's obtained through a
doctor's prescription.
law is to provide for seriously ill and disabled
Californians.
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And the purpose of California's medical marijuana
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And the point is, we -- we can look at
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MR. PAPPAS:
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As much as there's late-night television jokes

and we joke about marijuana there are serious patients.
And that Orange County Weekly article
demonstrates -THE COURT:
There's a serious patient who sometimes
sits right there in a wheelchair named Marla James.
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MR. PAPPAS:
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Not specifically today.
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But, overall, her, my daughter, and the others who
And that's who I'm here for.
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have been before this court and others throughout southern
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California in respect to these issues and I think the
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government has more of a responsibility to be involved
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directly in what it's alleging than to take evidence provided
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by Anaheim, have a DEA agent verify that, who probably
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doesn't have personal information or knowledge of the
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statements that are alleged in the complaint and patch in a
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number of relatively prejudicial, highly prejudicial -- the
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court just read them -- statements from an anonymous source
on a Website.
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THE COURT:
that to incur the court's ire or to establish that these are
nonmedicinal.
I'm curious about that.
MR. PAPPAS:
regard to whether or not the collectives are operating
pursuant to California law.
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That allegation in the complaint, I don't know the

exact paragraph, is made on information and belief.
So if, in fact, those are included for that reason,
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perhaps they're saying on information or belief because
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that's anonymous.
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THE COURT:
So you really have your
Do you think that in his second term, not needing
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to curry favor with whomever he thought he was currying favor
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with, the president might return to the Ogden approach?
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All right.
finger on the pulse here.
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The allegation in the complaint in
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That's -- well, you know, so, again, is
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Has there been -- actually, just pretend you and I
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are at a bar talking -- is there evidence that that's
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happening?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
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Well, yeah -Does that make all this moot?

When we look at what -- what he said
to Medvedev, the Russian president --
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THE COURT:
MR. PAPPAS:
-- he was caught on audio telling him,
well, once I get reelected then I can -- I can deal -- I can
deal with this missile shield issue.
THE COURT:
MR. PAPPAS:
Right.
And I think, probably, there is --
and -- and I'm not saying it's wrong.
get reelected, but now that he has been and this is his last
term, I think probably his position is -- will change.
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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Politicians want to
Will change back again to -Back --- back to Ogden.

-- to Ogden.
Is that going to have to come after the
mid-term elections?
MR. PAPPAS:
I think it has to come after he gets
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through the fiscal cliff, and -- and it could be after the
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mid-term elections, but I think more than anything --
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THE COURT:
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Is that going to occur after the government seizes
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Yes; right.
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Let me ask the relevant question.
this real property?

MR. PAPPAS:
That -- that would be a problem,
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and it could, given the probable trial schedule in next year
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that we've talked about.
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THE COURT:
Okay.
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Continue with your argument.
MR. PAPPAS:
And then we have, of course, the last
argument -- which is the most probably esoteric or the more
unique, which is the Raich II argument on fundamental rights.
And we've seen market changes since Raich II.
The government cites Raich II, but back to the
date, and then it cites some district court case decisions
that other people have brought, in terms of emerging
awareness and substantive due process.
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But as Your Honor mentioned, Marla James has been
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in here.
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medication works for her.
She suffers from excruciating pain, and -- and this
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It's effective for her.
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The state has provided for it.
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As Justice Thomas said in the Raich I dissent, his
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dissent there, the argument by the government that there
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aren't controls and systems in place is -- is simply without
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basis.
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And the -- the law's developed.
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We had another state pass medical marijuana, to --
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to bring it to --
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THE COURT:
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Colorado was recreational, wasn't it?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
Wait.
But we had Massachusetts pass it.

Well, Colorado's recreational,
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MR. PAPPAS:
I agree.
Just like recreational use of
amphetamines would violate it.

And so it -- it comes to the idea that you have
millions of patients -THE COURT:
I'm just saying a fortiori.
The people of the state of Colorado are approving
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it for recreational, then perhaps those conservative states
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that approve it only for medicinal should be more respected
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by the feds.
MR. PAPPAS:
I think that holds true, and I think
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the number of states that have approved it -- this isn't --
16
this isn't the same as the sodomy cases.
17
These are people who are suffering from --
18
THE COURT:
19
I mean, when you're throwing Bowers and Lawrence at
Well, you see, that confused me too.
20
me, I'm going from Runnymede to Texas sodomy and trying to
21
apply it to here.
22
What -- why did you cite Lawrence?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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10:22
Right.
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10:21
But I'm not arguing recreational use
here, because I feel that -- that violates the CSA.
10:21
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
10:21
for heaven's sakes, and -- and --
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Well, Lawrence is cited by the
Ninth Circuit in Raich II.

That is the case that Justice Pregerson goes
10:22
10:22
through in Raich II, the 2007 opinion, when it came back from
the Supreme Court, after he determined that we hadn't reached
the day yet where there had been enough traction in the law.
And so his -- his -- his opinion there was that we
hadn't reached that point, but the day would soon dawn where
we would.
And -- and since that case came down, we have a
number of additional states that have been added into the
medical marijuana fold.
10
We have the National Cancer Institute, part of the
11
federal government, putting on its Website the benefits of
12
Cannibis for doctors.
13
10:22
We have the Veterans Administration, and we have,
14
which I think gives it more traction in the law -- I'm not
15
citing Washington D.C. for equal protection the same way that
16
I did in James I and II.
17
10:23
I'm citing it to support the idea that Congress
18
itself has said, let's let DC be more like the states
19
and take out this block, and that's legal traction to show
20
that perhaps we've reached that day.
21
10:23
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THE COURT:
Well, then you know what a district
22
judge in Santa Ana is maybe thinking, boy, get your traction
23
and get legislative relief which -- which maybe you're
24
getting.
25
If it's happening in Colorado and happening in
Massachusetts and happening elsewhere, it might just happen
in the United States Congress.
10:23
10:24
talking, my position would be that the Congress is unable to
do virtually anything.
10:24
Its approval rating is very low and I think it is
a -- a day long in the future that we'll get back to
Tip O'Neill and Howard Baker being able to have a beer
outside in a bar by themselves and get along.
10
These politicians at Congress, the remote central
11
power that Justice Kennedy refers to in Bond, are in a state
12
that is not going to be concerned about, I think the
13
well-being, the fundamental right I think that these patients
14
have to be free from excruciating pain because of a plant, a
15
natural plant that works effectively for them.
16
killed anybody.
17
10:24
Well, I -- if we're back at that "bar"
10:23
MR. PAPPAS:
22
THE COURT:
It's never
It's only been a few years ago that the
18
Congress passed the first national healthcare bill that the
19
United States has ever seen so don't give up hope.
20
MR. PAPPAS:
21
THE COURT:
22
(Laughter.)
23
THE COURT:
24
That's a good answer.
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MR. PAPPAS:
With not one Republican vote.

Don't give up hope.
Touch, though.
They don't have -- you've
got two houses.
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3
You have the House of Representatives controlled by

the Republicans, the Senate controlled by the Democrats.
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10:24
You have more conflagration than I've seen

previously in my life in terms of those institutions.
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7
10:25
10:25
10:25
this area is minimal.

They should, but I doubt they'll do it.
THE COURT:
And the presidential candidates
10
espousing the legalization of marijuana got less than
11
2 percent.
12
MR. PAPPAS:
13
THE COURT:
14
What do you think the prospects are that the
(Nodded head.)
All right.
15
government will ultimately pursue this case and seize your
16
client's property if the court doesn't intervene?

MR. PAPPAS:
It is my understanding --
18
and Mr. Parham would have to address it on behalf of
19
Mr. Birotte -- that the US Attorney's Office or the Central
20
District's focus here is when a -- and I sent to the court a
21
request for judicial notice.
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10:25
And I think their ability to pass legislation in
17
23
It includes a letter from my -- the counsel that
23
opposes me in the James cases, to the US attorney asking for
24
help because they want to completely ban collectives in
25
their -- in their cities.
10:26
12(b)(6) motions.
I think that becomes a summary judgment.
MR. PAPPAS:
10:27
Well, it's presented more from a legal
perspective, and that particular letter is not, so I would
agree with the court that that is more evidentiary in nature.

But my understanding is -- and it's even on the US
Attorney's Website -- that their purpose here is to help
10
cities that ask for help, or that's the priority they're
11
giving it, I believe, is what the Website says, that they're
12
helping the California cities that are asking for help in
13
getting rid of collectives.
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16
10:26
And then doesn't -- you
know, I'm not a big fan for requests for judicial notice in
14
10:26
All right.
10:26
THE COURT:
24
I don't know if I'm addressing -- the ultimate

purpose is -- is to do that, to help those cities.
That is where the cities -- that is where the
17
federal government has come in, sent letters -- for instance,
18
it did it in Costa Mesa -- and it enters into these
19
settlement agreements that are -- require a substantial
20
amount of payment back to the federal government, as well, by
21
these land owners, who, I believe, are relying on the
22
statement by Mr. Ogden, as well as the state law, in leasing
23
to collectives they believe are in compliance with the law;
24
and -- and I think the -- the substantial amounts that are
25
being paid -- for instance, all the rent that's been paid by
collectives ever and the government's cost of suit, that --
that that is something that is being used to bully these
people into closing them down and then to pay those monies.
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10:27
That -- that -- that's what I think's happening

here.
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7
I don't think the government intends to go to

trial, but I can't speak for it.
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9
10:27
10:27
10:28
You know, I don't get many of these
forfeiture cases.
What is the nature of the trial?
11
Is the -- is the order of sale something to be

determined by the jury or the court?
13
MR. PAPPAS:
14
THE COURT:
15
I -- not "order of sale," but is the ultimate order
The order of -- of sale?

Of forfeiture.
16
of forfeiture something to be determined by the jury or the
17
court?
18
MR. PAPPAS:
19
I think it's determined by the jury, because we can
I don't know.
20
make a jury demand; and so I believe we can demand a jury
21
trial, and then go through the process with a jury, if we
22
make that demand and Mr. Parham put that into the Rule 26
23
statement and --
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10:28
THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
Do you think the plaintiff intends to
go all the way to a jury verdict of forfeiture if you do not
10:28
10:28
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
case for you at the Ninth Circuit and Supreme Court?

MR. PAPPAS:
I don't know if I'd make it there,
that would be just my take on it.
I -- I think it's a good issue.
I think there's a lot at risk for the claimants.
10
13
And so for the first time I recommended to the

claimants not to fight the government.
THE COURT:
You mean for the
United States of America, when you say "claimants"?
14
MR. PAPPAS:
15
They're the -- they're not the defendants.
16
It's an in rem action.
17
So the Jalalis would kill me.
18
THE COURT:
19
I missed it and my transcript went out.
20
I'm sorry.
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MR. PAPPAS:
22
23
10:29
Do you think that would be a wonderful
because the land owners would probably kill me, but -- but
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10:29
I think it will.
11
10:29
do what others have done and, that is, settle out?
26
No.
The "claimants" being my clients.
What was your last sentence, though?
I missed something you said in there.

I think that, ultimately, it would --
there would be a determination made.

You had said something, Judge, at the first hearing
24
we had on James back two years ago, what do you think the
25
city's law would be in five years?
You said something to that effect.
And I agree with the court that this is something
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4
10:29
10:30
adversity, because I think the framers meant for that.
They didn't want for things to happen quickly.
Bad cases make bad law.
And so I think there is necessary adversity, but
10
there has been about 16 or 17 years of that now in
11
California.
14
marijuana should be something that we allow for.

I think the polls on that -- and I'm speaking from
my recollection -- are 70 or 80 percent of the public
16
believes that, and --
18
THE COURT:
MR. PAPPAS:
20
THE COURT:
21
MR. PAPPAS:
23
Well, then, put Congressmen's
reelection at risk.
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22
10:30
And the tendency is in this country to say, medical
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17
10:30
I think for purposes of substantive due process or

any of these civil rights issues, there's necessarily
13
10:30
that takes time.
12
27
I -- I agree.
It's the democratic process.
There's other issues that are
probably -THE COURT:
Other than the ham handedness of a
24
district judge in Santa Ana, telling the Congress it cannot
25
respond to the will of the people.
10:30
MR. PAPPAS:
10:31
framers also meant that the judicial branch and that the
Article II branch were meant to restrain Congress as part of
coequal branches of government.
And here Congress is showing that it can't respond
properly, that it hasn't responded properly, that its hands
are tied by conflagration and difficulty within it that make
it impossible for it to do its job.

And -- and so, at that stage, I believe that the
10
coequal branches of government, even this district court,
11
which is established pursuant to Article III, has an
12
obligation to step in and say, hey, you know, this is
13
something that needs to happen because you're unable to get
14
it done.
15
Oh, no, no, no, it's not this has to
16
happen because you're unable to get it done.
17
happen because you're violating the Constitution.
19
MR. PAPPAS:
This has to
Because they're violating the
Constitution.
20
THE COURT:
Because we're not going to wait and
21
deny people their rights while the legislature remains
22
inactive.
23
24
10:31
That's my -THE COURT:
18
10:31
I would agree, except that I think the
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10:31
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MR. PAPPAS:
I don't want the court to legislate
from the bench, and so that came out a little too -THE COURT:
I know exactly what you meant.
10:31
I'm sorry.
It's just -- I'm processing myself what I should be
doing in these situations, and you have presented an amazing
series of cases.
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10:32
THE COURT:
So let's see, it's en banc?
10
13
It was and it remains that.

And where are we on that, by the way?
MR. PAPPAS:
The en banc is denied because the
panel issued an amended opinion on November 1st.

So the city sent me a stay request on that because
I notified the court.
14
THE COURT:
15
MR. PAPPAS:
16
Stay for certiorari?

Because I've got to file a petition
for writ of certiorari.
17
THE COURT:
18
Well, I'd love to discuss all of this with you
19
10:32
Ninth Circuit was 2:1 the last go-round.

MR. PAPPAS:
12
10:32
And the government here has upped the ante, and the
11
10:32
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All right.
further, but I think we should give the government a chance.
20
Thank you.
21
MR. PAPPAS:
22
Thank you.
23
MR. PARHAM:
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THE COURT:
25
Okay.
Yes, sir.
Your Honor, where do I begin.

Well, how about this:
want to do this?
Do you really
10:32
10:33
10:33
10:33
MR. PARHAM:
THE COURT:
Isn't -- aren't the appealing facts of the land
Yes.
I mean, aren't you upping the ante?
owner in this case the type of bad facts which might be the
perfect vehicle for Mr. Pappas to call into question the drug
law and our president's previous comments and Mr. Ogden's
letter and now you're going to grab the property?
MR. PARHAM:
That's the simple answer to your question:
10
Yes, Your Honor.

Yes.
And the reason why we are saying "yes" is because
11
back in September of last year, the four US attorneys in the
12
State of California determined that there was far too many --
13
we can call them dispensaries, collectives, cooperatives, we
14
call them pot stores.
15
There was far too many pot stores.
16
THE COURT:
Are you saying that determination was
17
made by four US attorneys in California in contradiction to
18
what Mr. Ogden wrote in his letter or didn't the decision go
19
all the way back to DC?
20
MR. PARHAM:
21
THE COURT:
22
MR. PARHAM:
23
THE COURT:
24
10:33
30
25
letter here.
Deputy Attorney General Ogden -No "S"?

No "S."
Well, wait it appeared -- I have the
Go ahead.
MR. PARHAM:
-- made a resource allocation
10:34
memorandum addressed to all US attorneys offices in the
nation, and said as you go through your work assignments,
don't put priority in prosecuting medical marijuana patients.
I don't believe the memo addressed --
THE COURT:
MR. PARHAM:
THE COURT:
10:34
10:34
10:35
10
(Reading) is unlikely to be an
efficient use of limited federal resources.
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10:34
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Right.
Okay.
So you're saying it's not as
negative as perhaps I was implying, and I understand what

you're saying.
11
MR. PARHAM:
12
And that was the impetus for --
13
THE COURT:
But there is no "S."
14
I'm sorry.
It showed up with an "S" in the papers,
15
Right.
but now looking at the letter there is no "S."
16
So sorry, Mr. Ogden.
17
MR. PARHAM:
But that was the impetus for the four
18
US attorneys to use their own discretion within the state to
19
determine that the problem of medical marijuana stores had
20
become so bad that this state's US attorneys determined that
21
they were going to allocate resources and start attempting to
22
close the -- in this district alone, I believe we had
23
somewhere in the area of 1,300/1,400 marijuana stores.
24
It was extraordinary.
25
THE COURT:
Okay.
What about the core principle
though, look, I own a piece of property, a mall, a mini mall,
or whatever, and I heard the president campaigning in 2008
and it's -- he should honor his campaign promises.
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10:35
And then I phoned up Mr. Pappas and he said, well,
we've got this wonderful letter from Mr. Ogden that says that
they don't think it's inefficient use, so go ahead and rent
it out.
So they go ahead and rent it out.
They're not the people selling it; they're just
10
renting their property.
11
10:35
10:35
Oh, and by the way, they look at the law passed by
12
the People of the State of California, and then the
13
government comes in later and says, never mind what the
14
president may have said in his campaign, never mind what
15
Mr. Ogden said in his letter, never mind when the State of
16
California expressed through the proposition process, we're
17
going to grab your property.
18
Does that sound fair?
19
MR. PARHAM:
20
Well, it does, because what they're
doing is they're looking at the federal law with blinders on.
21
10:36
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They're not looking at Title 21, 856, indicating
22
it's a separate violation of the law to knowingly allow your
23
property, as a property owner, as a landlord, to be used in
24
this fashion, and that law has been on the books for 20 or
25
30 years.
10:36
10:36
So we see a certain degree of myopia on the part of
the marijuana industry -- and it is an industry -- that
continues to tout the vagaries of state law and they
disregard -- they put their blinders on and they do not
discuss federal law.
THE COURT:
attorney general that says (reading) it is unlikely to be an
efficient use of limited federal resources to go after
medical marijuana dispensaries.
10
That's not myopia; that's kind of black and white.
11
MR. PARHAM:
12
Once again, it's resource allocation guidance for
15
THE COURT:
MR. PARHAM:
As you know, candidates will say
whatever will get them reelected.
18
10:37
What about what the president said in
the 2008 campaign?
16
17
And that's internal guidance.
each US Attorney's Office.
14
10:37
How about a letter from the deputy
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10:37
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THE COURT:
You know, and that's true, that's fine;
19
but then when the government who was the source of these
20
statements is going to grab the property of citizens who are
21
merely renting the building out, again, it sounds like a --
22
you know, maybe that's a solution to the fiscal cliff.
23
This sounds like a revenue-generating issue.
Tell
24
them one thing and grab their property when they believe what
25
you said.
MR. PARHAM:
The landlords are receiving money, rental proceeds
Guess what? the federal government could be even

more heavy-handed, if you will.
10:37
10:38
that take monies out of the bank accounts of these landlords
who were knowingly laundering drug procedures being paid as
"rentals."
10
Now, as far as the heavy handedness issue is
11
concerned, Congress has allowed somebody in the landlord
12
situation some re-dress, and, that is, in the innocent
13
ownership statute and also in 18 USC 983(g) which is the
14
proportionality portion of the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform
15
Act, that allows post-judgment a landlord or a property owner
16
to seek a reduction in the forfeiture based on an argument of
17
the Eighth Amendment, which is, I believe one of the concerns
18
the court was discussing earlier.

If this is heavy handed, the court, post-judgment,
20
has the ability to reduce the forfeiture to a level that does
21
not violate the Constitution.
22
23
10:38
We could have very well gotten seizure warrants
19
10:38
Well, let's think this through.
from a business engaged in a violation of a federal law.
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THE COURT:
Do you intend to carry this all the way
through forfeiture?
24
MR. PARHAM:
25
We have not been -- we're not playing poker,
Yes, absolutely, Your Honor.
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2
3
4
10:39
10:39
10:39
We intend to follow through with the litigation

tactics that we've started a year ago.
I have been involved -- I've been involved in
marijuana issues since, roughly, 2008 when the DEA first
started this campaign.
The government wants to enforce Title 21.
The court said it very well.
Claimants want the law to be something else.
10
They want this court to change the law.
11
The court wisely indicated that their -- their
12
opportunity to change the law is with the legislature and if
13
they want to change the law they should do this on a
14
congressional level, not on an add ad hoc basis
15
through defending these various forfeiture actions.

THE COURT:
Don't you think in this world of change
17
and whatever, progress or regress, depending on your point of
18
view, this is the exact case that you don't want presented as
19
a test case on the interaction of federal and state
20
and medical and dispensaries and forfeiture -- you know, a
21
poor dentist has to turn over a whole bunch of money just
22
because they maybe were relying on what they had heard
23
federal agents say?
24
10:40
Your Honor.
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10:39
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25
MR. PARHAM:
Well, the -- the estoppel argument
the -- the court is suggesting, has been litigated in the
criminal context, I know.
10:40
My colleagues in the criminal division have had the
estoppel argument raised by Defendants who are being
prosecuted for relying upon the government's statements in
that --
10:40
10:40
10:41
Defendants don't have that level of
innocence that this poor dentist has, criminal Defendants
don't.
MR. PARHAM:
Well, they may -- they may have a
10
similar argument, though, Your Honor, that they relied upon
11
statements made by government officials.
12
And I don't know that it's that much different.
13
Besides that, it's -- it's my understanding that
14
Ms. -- Dr. Jalali, the claimant -- one of the claimants, her
15
medical practice is in this very building, so it's not as if
16
she was removed from the location and had no idea what was
17
going on there.
18
MR. PAPPAS:
19
Her medical practice is in Lake Forrest.
20
It's nowhere near the building.
21
MR. PARHAM:
22
THE COURT:
23
24
10:41
THE COURT:
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25
Your Honor, it is not.
Sorry about that.

It sounds to me like a summary judgment
issue, but what about that?

Can -- are Constitutional arguments like this best
presented on a motion to dismiss?
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2
3
4
10:41
10:41
10:41
are, Your Honor.

THE COURT:
Okay.
What about the pleading
requirements going to things like "notice"?

Do you think you have to plead notice?
And have you pled notice?
MR. PARHAM:
No, we don't, Your Honor, and, again,
the government explained that in its opposition where we
said, if there was an argument to be made by the claimants
10
that they did not receive notice, i.e., they did not know
11
that this property was being used illegally, that's part of
12
their affirmative defense that they could raise and --
13
and prevail at trial if that were proven up.
14
THE COURT:
15
affirmative defense?
17
18
19
10:42
The government doesn't believe they
16
10:42
MR. PARHAM:
37
MR. PARHAM:
What's your authority that it's an
The statute itself, 18 USC 1983, and I
believe it's sub D.

THE COURT:
And what about that makes you think
it's an affirmative defense?
20
I don't have it in front of me.
21
MR. PARHAM:
22
After a finding of forfeiture the claimant has the
The statute says it, Your Honor.
23
burden of proving that they were the innocent owners of the
24
property, i.e., that they did not --
25
THE COURT:
Does the notice have to come from the
feds or the local authority?
10:42
MR. PARHAM:
either, Your Honor, for the government to initiate the
action.
In this case, Your Honor, I know the court asked
Claimants' counsel about the letter that was directed to the
Jalalis by the city, it's no secret that cities have been
coming to the US attorney and saying we would like your help.
10
Our cities are being overrun with these marijuana

stores.
11
10:43
They
can't really decide what the state law is and how it's going
13
to apply.
14
So US government, can you step in and help us out?
15
THE COURT:
Should a city -- should a
16
representative of the State of California take action so
17
inconsistent with a proposition passed by People the State of
18
California?
Should a state law enforcement officer become an
20
arm of the federal law enforcement regime when it's directly
21
contrary to what the People of the State of California said
22
in their proposition process?
23
10:43
State courts are grappling with this issue.
12
19
10:43
I don't believe it has to come from
9
10:42
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MR. PARHAM:
Well, is it contrary, Your Honor,
24
and that's an issue that I think is being decided -- and I'm
25
sure Mr. Pappas will correct me if I'm wrong -- he is
probably far more familiar with the state litigation that's
pending -- but I believe there are two cases before the
California Supreme Court discussing those types of issues.
4
10:43
MR. PAPPAS:
the cases before the California Supreme Court are based upon
whether or not that cities, as creatures of state government,
have the ability to ban all collectives within their borders.
9
10
That question, essentially, centers -- I was the

lead case up there, and my case has been dismissed from the
California Supreme Court.
11
12
10:44
Is that the one that went through the
fourth district there?

MR. PAPPAS:
14
Yes.
It went through the second district.
The one with the fourth district is still
15
there, but it's on a grant of hold so I'm not active in the
16
arguing.
18
19
10:44
THE COURT:
13
17
10:44
Well, there's a -- there's a case --
10:44
39
But, essentially, those cases are about whether

they can ban under, generally, Civil Code 3482.
Now, there are two state court cases pending,
20
alleging that the city's use of taxpayer dollars to call in
21
the federal government is because they are creatures of the
22
state under the Qualified Patients case, is a misuse of those
23
funds, thereby violating CCP 526(a), which prohibits those
24
types of illegal expenditures, and that the city should be
25
restrained from spending taxpayer dollars doing that.
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2
10:44
10:45
10:45
10:45
Is there a pending proposition on
marijuana use?
MR. PAPPAS:
Not that I'm aware of at this time.
MR. PARHAM:
No, not in this state.
MR. PAPPAS:
There is a pending -- there is a
pending local ballot initiative in the city of Los Angeles to
over- -- which was at first brought as a referendum to stop
the city council's announced institution of a complete ban
of -- of collectives.
10
THE COURT:
11
working on another proposition?
12
MR. PAPPAS:
Okay.
I thought Judge Jim Gray was
He was, Judge Gray was, and his --
13
what has happened with that is that -- I think that
14
proposition was certified by the secretary, they didn't get
15
what they needed on time for the ballot, so it may continue.
16
10:45
THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
Okay.
Well, I think the original
17
version of that was going to criminalize conduct by any state
18
law enforcement assisting the feds.
19
MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
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I think it was.
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That just shows the level of passion that a state
It was, yes.
I think that was removed.
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officer would -- would be violating the law were he to -- he
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or she to assist the feds.
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But, still, those are all interesting points.
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Didn't Iqbal and Twombly kind of kill Conley.
MR. PARHAM:
THE COURT:
I can't remember the context.

You might be careful about citing
Conley these days, because I think Iqbal and Twombly
eviscerated if not destroyed it.
MR. PARHAM:
Your Honor, if I can mention one other
point about the notice letter.

The city of Anaheim did, in fact, approach the US
12
government seeking our permission to attach a warning letter
13
from the Department of Justice to their warning letter that
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they were sending to property owners and marijuana stores.
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So what we provided to the -- to that city
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and other cities who have requested the same thing, we have
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provided a redacted version of the warning letters that we're
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sending out all throughout the district, telling a property
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owner, telling a store operator, that they need to stop the
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illegal activity at the location within 14 days of the -- of
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the letter.
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It was an official DOJ letter.
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It just wasn't addressed specifically to the
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pleading.
Why would you cite the Conley case for pleading?
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Let me ask, in your papers you cite Conley on
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claimants in this instance.

THE COURT:
If I take this under submission
and wait eight months do you think the four United States
attorneys in the State of California might change their mind
about what they want to be doing?
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Your Honor, that is a topic within my
unit that is discussed almost daily.

We -- we wonder whether the department is going to
step forward and clarify the policy in this nation.
As the court is well aware of and as counsel
pointed out, three states have now passed what we believe are
very liberal marijuana laws -- Colorado, Washington state
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and Massachusetts -- it's just begging -- in my view it's
12
begging the department to come forward and say "enough."

We have to enforce Title 21 or they're going to
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have to create a policy that carves an exception out of these
15
laws, but that day has not come and I don't know when that
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day will arrive, if at all.
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All right.
Anything further?
No, Your Honor.

Mr. Parham; right?
Yes.
You've done a great job presenting the
position of the United States on this.

Mr. Pappas, you've done a great job of representing
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the position of your immediate clients here and your -- you
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have a bit of challenge ethically -- that's not the right way
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10:48
10:49
Do you understand what I'm about to say?
MR. PAPPAS:
THE COURT:
I do.
You said your clients would hate you
and I understand that and I think you're doing what you need
to do on behalf of all your clients confronting this
difficult issue and I appreciate the diligence and passion
you bring to it and you, as well, Mr. Parham, and I didn't
issue a tentative because I -- I just wanted to hear where
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folks were, and you both helped me focus.
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I'm going to take it under submission.
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I'm not going to wait for action.
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We'll get our ruling out shortly.
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MR. PAPPAS:
Thank you, Judge.
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MR. PARHAM:
Very well, Your Honor.
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THE CLERK:
Are we going to have a scheduling
conference or --
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THE COURT:
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We still have the pesky scheduling conference which
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to put it.
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Right.
I think we can get through very quickly here.

The folks have talked about a three to five-day
jury trial on June 11, 2013?
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Is that right?
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MR. PARHAM:
Yes, Your Honor.
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MR. PAPPAS:
Yes.
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THE COURT:
Is that going to preclude a summary judgment?
Do you have all the discovery you need?
MR. PAPPAS:
we had the 26 --
MR. PARHAM:
THE COURT:
I was thinking a summary judgment from
the defense.
MR. PAPPAS:
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THE COURT:
-- assuming the 12(b)(6) doesn't
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All right.
You know what?
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We'll set it for June 11th.
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We'll see how motion practice develops as we go
We would --
succeed.
along.
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All right.
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How does that work for you, Ms. Bredahl?
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THE CLERK:
That's fine, Judge.
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THE COURT:
You know, you say three to five days.
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A rarity.
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I'm going to go long-end on that.
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We're going to go a five-day jury trial on
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Yes.
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10:50
Well, Mr. Parham had -- you indicated
you're going to do a summary judgment or thought we were when
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10:49
Wow, that's coming up quick.
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The parties have suggested June 11th.
June 11th, which you're telling me is a Tuesday, Ms. Bredahl?

THE CLERK:
Yes, Judge.
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THE COURT:
Pretrial conference on --
THE CLERK:
May 20th.
THE COURT:
-- May 20th.
And a discovery cutoff of --
THE CLERK:
March 11th.
THE COURT:
-- March 11th.
So if you get our scheduling order which should
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in those dates and that creates other dates such as motion
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cutoff, et cetera.
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it comes up pretty quickly.

And so consider all of that.
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And in the process if you find the need to make
16
adjustment, the court will certainly hear any requests along
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that line.
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As a settlement procedure, you've requested No. -did you request Option 2, which is the court's panel?
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MR. PAPPAS:
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What did we --
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MR. PARHAM:
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10:51
And given the notice needed for summary judgment,
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That will be the trial.
have been available to you when you checked in, you can put
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10:50
Okay.
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I -- I don't know.
I believe we requested the magistrate
assignment.
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MR. PAPPAS:
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We requested magistrate.
We did.
THE COURT:
MR. PARHAM:
I can speak with Mr. Pappas to see if he wants to
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THE COURT:
judge.
He would be -- it would be interesting to go before
Judge Goldman.
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10:51
If you can go to the settlement panel,
Judge Goldman would be a -- he is the magistrate
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And I understand the court's concern.
it's obviously an interesting case.
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Okay.
go to the settlement panel.
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You may also want to look at the settlement panel

offered by the court, which you can look up on the Internet.
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MR. PARHAM:
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THE COURT:
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Thank you, all.
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MR. PARHAM:
Thank you, Your Honor.
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MR. PAPPAS:
Thank you, Judge.
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(End of proceedings.)
Right.
All right.
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cases [12] <10:03> 4:20 <10:03>, 4:21
<10:12>, 12:23 <10:21>,
20:16 <10:25>, 23:23
<10:27>, 25:9 <10:29>,
27:8 <10:31>, 29:4
<10:43>, 39:2 <10:43>,
39:5 <10:44>, 39:17
<10:44>, 39:19
catch [1] <10:00> 2:15
caught [1] <10:18> 18:2
CCP [1] <10:44> 39:23
centers [1] <10:43> 39:8
central [2] <10:08> 9:12 <10:23>, 22:10
Central [1] <10:25> 23:19
CENTRAL [1] - 1:2
certain [1] <10:36> 33:1
certainly [1] <10:50> 45:16
certificate [1] - 47:2
certified [1] <10:45> 40:14
certify [1] - 47:3
certiorari [2] <10:32> 29:14 <10:32>, 29:16
cetera [1] <10:50> 45:11
challenge [1] <10:48> 42:25
chance [2] <10:07> 8:13 <10:32>, 29:19
change [7] <10:18> -
18:9 <10:19>, 18:10

<10:39>, 35:10 <10:39>,
35:12 <10:39>, 35:13
<10:39>, 35:16 <10:47>,
42:2
changes [1] <10:19> 19:5
charged [1] - 47:6
checked [1] <10:50> 45:9
chose [1] <10:05> - 6:8
circuit [1] - 47:6
Circuit [3] <10:21> 20:24 <10:28>, 26:4
<10:31>, 29:6
circumstances [1]
<10:11> - 12:1
cite [3] <10:21> - 20:22
<10:45>, 41:1 <10:45>,
41:3
cited [1] <10:21> 20:23
cites [2] <10:20> - 19:6
<10:20>, 19:7
cities [9] <10:25> 23:25 <10:26>, 24:10
<10:26>, 24:12 <10:26>,
24:15 <10:26>, 24:16
<10:42>, 38:7 <10:42>,
38:9 <10:43>, 39:6
<10:46>, 41:16
citing [3] <10:22> 21:15 <10:22>, 21:17
<10:46>, 41:6
citizens [1] <10:37> 33:20
city [11] <10:09> - 9:18
<10:09>, 9:21 <10:11>,
12:7 <10:32>, 29:12
<10:42>, 38:7 <10:43>,
38:15 <10:44>, 39:24
<10:44>, 40:6 <10:45>,
40:8 <10:46>, 41:11
<10:46>, 41:15
city's [2] <10:29> 26:25 <10:44>, 39:20
Civil [2] <10:38> 34:14 <10:44>, 39:18
civil [1] <10:29> - 27:5
claim [3] <10:11> 11:18 <10:11>, 12:2
<10:15>, 15:16
claimant [2] <10:40> 36:14 <10:42>, 37:22
claimants [15] <10:00>
- 2:10 <10:00>, 2:13
<10:05>, 6:14 <10:09>,
9:21 <10:10>, 10:19
<10:10>, 11:5 <10:11>,
12:13 <10:28>, 26:9
<10:29>,
26:11 <10:29>,
26:13 <10:29>, 26:14
<10:39>, 35:9 <10:40>,
36:14 <10:41>, 37:9
<10:47>, 41:24
Claimants' [1] <10:42>
- 38:6
claiming [2] <10:15> 15:4 <10:15>, 15:11
clarify [1] <10:47> 42:7
class [1] <10:07> 8:10
clear [2] <10:05> - 6:24
<10:06>, 7:3
CLERK [6] <10:00> 2:6 <10:49>, 43:16
<10:50>, 44:19 <10:50>,
44:25 <10:50>, 45:3
<10:50>, 45:6
client [1] <10:12> 13:9
client's [1] <10:25> 23:16
clients [6] <10:04> 5:25 <10:06>, 7:21
<10:29>, 26:14 <10:48>,
42:24 <10:48>, 43:4
<10:48>, 43:6
cliff [2] <10:19> - 18:17
<10:37>, 33:22
close [1] <10:34> 31:22
closed [1] <10:14> 14:6
closing [1] <10:27> 25:3
CMRS [2] - 1:24,
47:11
Code [1] <10:44> 39:18
coequal [2] <10:30> 28:4 <10:31>, 28:10
colleagues [1] <10:40>
- 36:2
collective [1] <10:14> 14:7
collectives [8] <10:17>
- 17:7 <10:25>, 23:24
<10:26>, 24:13 <10:27>,
24:23 <10:27>, 25:1
<10:33>, 30:13 <10:43>,
39:7 <10:45>, 40:9
Colorado [4] <10:20> 19:23 <10:21>, 20:10
<10:23>, 21:25 <10:47>,
42:10
Colorado's [1] <10:20>
- 19:25
combined [1] <10:06>
- 7:6
coming [4] <10:12> 13:9 <10:13>, 13:12
<10:42>, 38:8 <10:49>,
44:1
commend [1] <09:11>
- 1:21
comments [1] <10:32>
- 30:6
complaint [14] <10:01>
- 3:15 <10:01>, 3:16
<10:02>, 3:19 <10:04>,
5:15 <10:09>, 9:25
<10:10>, 11:12 <10:10>,
11:13 <10:13>, 13:20
<10:13>, 14:3 <10:14>,
14:11 <10:14>, 14:15
<10:17>, 16:23 <10:17>,
17:6 <10:17>, 17:9
complete [1] <10:45> 40:8
completely [1] <10:25>
- 23:24
compliance [2]
<10:09> - 10:8 <10:27>,
24:23
computer [2] <10:06> 7:23 <10:06>, 7:24
concern [1] <10:51> 46:2
concerned [3] <10:16>
- 15:21 <10:23>, 22:12
<10:38>, 34:11
concerns [1] <10:38> 34:17
conduct [1] <10:45> 40:17
conference [6]
<09:11> - 1:15 <10:02>,
3:23 <10:49>, 43:17
<10:49>, 43:19 <10:50>,
45:2, 47:8
conflagration [2]
<10:24> - 23:4 <10:30>,
28:7
conformance [1] 47:7
confronting [1]
<10:48> - 43:6
confused [4] <09:11> 1:12 <09:11>, 1:16
<09:11>, 1:19 <10:21>,
20:18
Congress [9] <10:22> 21:17 <10:23>, 22:2
<10:23>, 22:4 <10:23>,
22:10 <10:24>, 22:18
<10:30>, 27:24 <10:30>,
28:3 <10:30>, 28:5
<10:38>, 34:11
congressional [1]
- 35:14
Congressmen's [1]
<10:30> - 27:17
Conley [4] <10:45> 41:1 <10:45>, 41:3
<10:46>, 41:4 <10:46>,
41:7
conservative [1]
<10:21> - 20:11
consider [1] <10:50> 45:14
Constitution [3]
<10:31> - 28:17 <10:31>,
28:19 <10:38>, 34:21
Constitutional [2]
<10:12> - 12:23 <10:41>,
36:24
contents [3] <10:07> 8:16 <10:07>, 8:18
<10:08>, 9:5
contesting [1] <10:09>
- 9:16
context [2] <10:40> 36:1 <10:46>, 41:5
continue [2] <10:19> 19:1 <10:45>, 40:15
continues [1] <10:36>
- 33:3
contradiction [1]
<10:33> - 30:17
contrary [2] <10:43> 38:21 <10:43>, 38:23
controlled [2] <10:24>
- 23:2 <10:24>, 23:3
controls [1] <10:20> 19:17
cooperatives [1]
<10:33> - 30:13
copy [3] <10:10> - 11:6
<10:10>, 11:7 <10:11>,
12:9
core [1] <10:35> 31:25
correct [4] <10:04> 6:2 <10:04>, 6:3 <10:43>,
38:25, 47:4
cost [1] <10:27> - 25:1
Costa [1] <10:26> 24:18
council's [1] <10:45> 40:8
Counsel [1] <10:07> 8:14
counsel [3] <10:25> 23:22 <10:42>, 38:6
<10:47>, 42:8
country [1] <10:30> 27:12
County [2] <10:15> <10:39>
15:13 <10:16>, 16:10

course [3] <10:05> 6:8 <10:12>, 13:11
<10:19>, 19:2
COURT [134] - 1:1,
1:25 <09:11>, 1:2
<09:11>, 1:8 <09:11>,
1:12 <09:11>, 1:18
<09:11>, 1:21 <09:11>,
1:23 <09:12>, 2:2
<10:00>, 2:11 <10:00>,
2:14 <10:00>, 2:17
<10:00>, 2:22 <10:01>,
3:1 <10:01>, 3:4 <10:01>,
3:9 <10:01>, 3:12
<10:02>, 3:22 <10:02>,
4:7 <10:02>, 4:9 <10:02>,
4:15 <10:04>, 5:19
<10:04>, 5:23 <10:04>,
6:4 <10:05>, 6:11
<10:05>, 6:17 <10:06>,
7:9 <10:06>, 7:13
<10:06>, 7:24 <10:07>,
8:10 <10:08>, 9:14
<10:09>, 9:23 <10:09>,
10:3 <10:09>, 10:10
<10:09>, 10:13 <10:10>,
10:20 <10:10>, 10:23
<10:10>, 11:4 <10:10>,
11:9 <10:10>, 11:13
<10:11>, 11:17 <10:11>,
11:21 <10:11>, 11:24
<10:11>, 12:14 <10:12>,
12:21 <10:12>, 13:1
<10:12>, 13:5 <10:14>,
14:14 <10:14>, 14:19
<10:15>, 15:2 <10:15>,
15:10 <10:16>, 15:25
<10:16>, 16:12 <10:17>,
17:2 <10:18>, 17:14
<10:18>, 17:23 <10:18>,
18:1 <10:18>, 18:5
<10:19>, 18:10 <10:19>,
18:12 <10:19>, 18:14
<10:19>, 18:19 <10:19>,
18:25 <10:20>, 19:22
<10:20>, 19:25, 20:4
<10:21>, 20:9 <10:21>,
20:18 <10:23>, 21:21
<10:24>, 22:17 <10:24>,
22:21 <10:24>, 22:23
<10:24>, 23:9 <10:25>,
23:13 <10:25>, 24:1
<10:27>, 25:8 <10:27>,
25:14 <10:28>, 25:24
<10:28>, 26:3 <10:29>,
26:12 <10:29>, 26:18
<10:30>, 27:17 <10:30>,
27:20 <10:30>, 27:23
<10:31>, 28:15 <10:31>,
28:20 <10:31>, 28:25
<10:31>,
29:8 <10:32>,
29:14 <10:32>, 29:17
<10:32>, 29:24 <10:32>,
30:2 <10:33>, 30:16
<10:33>, 30:21 <10:33>,
30:23 <10:34>, 31:5
<10:34>, 31:8 <10:34>,
31:13 <10:35>, 31:25
<10:36>, 33:6 <10:36>,
33:14 <10:37>, 33:18
<10:38>, 34:22 <10:39>,
35:16 <10:40>, 36:6
<10:41>, 36:22 <10:41>,
37:3 <10:41>, 37:14
<10:42>, 37:18 <10:42>,
37:25 <10:43>, 38:15
<10:44>, 39:11 <10:44>,
40:1 <10:45>, 40:10
<10:45>, 40:16 <10:45>,
40:20 <10:46>, 41:6
<10:47>, 41:25 <10:48>,
42:17 <10:48>, 42:19
<10:48>, 42:21 <10:48>,
43:4 <10:49>, 43:18
<10:49>, 44:1 <10:49>,
44:8 <10:49>, 44:11
<10:50>, 44:20 <10:50>,
45:1 <10:50>, 45:4
<10:50>, 45:7 <10:51>,
46:1 <10:51>, 46:5
<10:51>, 46:14, 47:9
court [26] <10:02> 4:16 <10:06>, 7:11
<10:14>, 14:17 <10:16>,
16:17 <10:17>, 16:25
<10:20>, 19:7 <10:25>,
23:16 <10:25>, 23:20
<10:26>, 24:7 <10:27>,
25:12 <10:28>, 25:17
<10:29>, 27:2 <10:31>,
28:10 <10:31>, 28:23
<10:32>, 29:13 <10:38>,
34:18 <10:38>, 34:19
<10:39>, 35:8 <10:39>,
35:10 <10:39>, 35:11
<10:40>, 35:25 <10:42>,
38:5 <10:44>, 39:19
<10:47>, 42:8 <10:50>,
45:16 <10:51>, 46:12
Court [7] <10:05> 6:19 <10:05>, 6:24
<10:22>, 21:2 <10:28>,
26:4 <10:43>, 39:3
<10:43>, 39:5 <10:44>,
39:10
court's [4] <10:06> 7:3 <10:17>, 17:3
<10:50>, 45:19 <10:51>,
46:2
courtesy [4] <10:10> 11:6 <10:10>, 11:7
<10:10>,
11:14 <10:11>,
12:9
COURTROOM [1] 1:4
courts [1] <10:42> 38:11
create [5] <10:10> 10:16 <10:11>, 12:1
<10:13>, 13:14 <10:13>,
13:15 <10:47>, 42:14
created [1] <10:14> 14:17
creates [1] <10:50> 45:10
creatures [2] <10:43> 39:6 <10:44>, 39:21
criminal [3] <10:40> 36:1 <10:40>, 36:2
<10:40>, 36:7
criminalize [1] <10:45>
- 40:17
CRR [2] - 1:24, 47:11
CSA [4] <10:05> - 6:24
<10:06>, 7:5 <10:16>,
16:2 <10:21>, 20:3
CSR [2] - 1:24, 47:11
curious [1] <10:17> 17:5
curry [1] <10:18> 17:17
currying [1] <10:18> 17:17
cutoff [2] <10:50> 45:5 <10:50>, 45:11
D
D.C [1] <10:22> - 21:15
daily [1] <10:47> - 42:5
DAILY [1] - 1:17
Date [1] - 47:10
date [1] <10:20> - 19:7
dates [2] <10:50> 45:10
daughter [1] <10:16> 16:16
David [1] <10:06> - 7:7
dawn [1] <10:22> 21:5
days [3] <10:46> - 41:7
<10:46>, 41:20 <10:50>,
44:20
DC [4] <10:03> - 4:24
<10:22>, 21:18 <10:33>,
30:19
DCCD [1] - 2:2
DEA [3] <10:11> - 12:6
<10:17>, 16:21 <10:39>,
35:5
deal [2] <10:18> - 18:3

18:4
DECEMBER [2] 1:18 <09:11>, 1:1
decide [1] <10:42> 38:12
decided [1] <10:43> 38:24
decision [3] <10:06> 7:4 <10:08>, 9:7 <10:33>,
30:18
decisions [1] <10:20> 19:7
DEFENDANT [1] 2:9
Defendant(s) [1] 1:14
defendants [1]
<10:29> - 26:15
Defendants [3]
<10:40> - 36:3 <10:40>,
36:6 <10:40>, 36:7
defending [1] <10:39>
- 35:15
defense [5] <10:02> 4:2 <10:41>, 37:12
<10:41>, 37:15 <10:42>,
37:19 <10:49>, 44:9
degree [1] <10:36> 33:1
demand [3] <10:28> 25:20 <10:28>, 25:22
democratic [1]
<10:30> - 27:20
Democrats [1] <10:24>
- 23:3
demonstrates [1]
<10:16> - 16:11
denied [1] <10:32> 29:10
DENISE [2] - 1:24,
47:11
dentist [4] <10:06> 7:23 <10:06>, 7:24
<10:40>, 35:21 <10:40>,
36:7
deny [1] - 28:21
department [2]
<10:47> - 42:6 <10:47>,
42:12
Department [3]
<10:06> - 7:15 <10:07>,
8:2 <10:46>, 41:13
deposit [1] - 47:7
deputy [2] <10:33> 30:20 <10:36>, 33:6
destroyed [1] <10:46>
- 41:8
detail [1] <10:13> 13:18
<10:18>,
detailed [2] <10:14> 14:4 <10:14>, 14:10

determination [2]
<10:29> - 26:22 <10:33>,
30:16
determine [1] <10:34>
- 31:19
determined [6]
<10:22> - 21:2 <10:27>,
25:12 <10:28>, 25:16
<10:28>, 25:19 <10:33>,
30:12 <10:34>, 31:20
developed [1] <10:20>
- 19:19
develops [1] <10:49> 44:15
different [2] <10:05> 6:20 <10:40>, 36:12
difficult [1] <10:48> 43:7
difficulty [1] <10:30> 28:7
diligence [1] <10:48> 43:7
direct [2] <10:03> - 5:3
<10:09>, 9:20
directed [1] <10:42> 38:6
directly [5] <10:09> 10:2 <10:12>, 12:22
<10:15>, 14:24 <10:17>,
16:20 <10:43>, 38:20
dirty [1] <10:13> 13:13
disabled [1] <10:16> 16:6
disagree [1] <10:04> 5:10
discovery [2] <10:49> 44:3 <10:50>, 45:5
discretion [1] <10:34>
- 31:18
discuss [2] <10:32> 29:18 <10:36>, 33:5
discussed [1] <10:47>
- 42:5
discussing [2] <10:38>
- 34:18 <10:43>, 39:3
discussions [1]
<10:02> - 3:24
dismiss [3] <09:11> 1:9 <09:12>, 1:24
<10:41>, 36:25
dismissed [1] <10:43>
- 39:9
dispensaries [4]
<10:06> - 7:17 <10:33>,
30:13 <10:36>, 33:9
<10:39>, 35:20
disregard [1] <10:36> -
33:4
dissent [2] <10:20> 19:15 <10:20>, 19:16
dissents [1] <10:05> 7:2
DISTRICT [4] - 1:1,
1:2, 1:25, 47:9
district [10] <10:02> 4:16 <10:20>, 19:7
<10:23>, 21:21 <10:30>,
27:24 <10:31>, 28:10
<10:34>, 31:22 <10:44>,
39:12 <10:44>, 39:13
<10:44>, 39:14 <10:46>,
41:18
District's [1] <10:25> 23:20
Division [1] - 2:6
division [1] <10:40> 36:2
doctor's [1] <10:16> 16:4
doctors [1] <10:22> 21:12
DOJ [1] <10:46> 41:22
dollars [2] <10:44> 39:20 <10:44>, 39:25
done [6] <10:03> - 4:19
<10:28>, 26:1 <10:31>,
28:14 <10:31>, 28:16
<10:48>, 42:21 <10:48>,
42:23
doubt [1] <10:24> 23:8
down [2] <10:22> 21:7 <10:27>, 25:3
Dr [1] <10:40> - 36:14
dramatically [1]
<10:06> - 7:13
dress [1] <10:38> 34:12
drug [5] <10:05> - 6:25
<10:05>, 7:1 <10:08>, 9:8
<10:32>, 30:5 <10:37>,
34:8
drugs [1] <10:08> - 9:9
dual [1] <09:11> - 1:13
due [3] <10:08> - 9:6
<10:20>, 19:9 <10:29>,
27:4
DURST [4] <10:00> 2:12 <10:01>, 3:8
<10:01>, 3:10 <10:01>,
3:13
Durst [5] - 2:11
<10:00>, 2:13 <10:00>,
2:18 <10:01>, 3:5
<10:01>, 3:7
E
early [1] <09:11> - 1:21
economically [1]
<10:06> - 7:19
effect [1] <10:29> 27:1
effective [2] <10:16> 16:2 <10:20>, 19:13
effectively [1] <10:24>
- 22:15
efficient [3] <10:06> 7:19 <10:34>, 31:6
<10:36>, 33:8
eight [1] <10:47> - 42:1
Eighth [1] <10:38> 34:17
either [1] <10:42> 38:3
elections [2] <10:19> 18:15 <10:19>, 18:18
element [1] <10:11> 11:18
elements [1] <10:11> 12:1
elsewhere [1] <10:23>
- 22:1
Email [2] - 2:8, 2:14
emerging [1] <10:20> 19:8
en [2] <10:32> - 29:9
<10:32>, 29:10
End [1] <10:51> 46:18
end [2] <10:02> - 3:24
<10:50>, 44:22
enforce [2] <10:39> 35:7 <10:47>, 42:13
enforcement [3]
<10:43> - 38:19 <10:43>,
38:20 <10:45>, 40:18
engaged [1] <10:37> 34:3
engineer [2] <10:06> 7:23 <10:06>, 7:24
enters [1] <10:26> 24:18
equal [1] <10:22> 21:15
esoteric [2] <10:05> 6:9 <10:19>, 19:3
especially [1] <10:05>
- 7:2
espousing [1] <10:25>
- 23:10
essentially [3] <10:13>
- 13:21 <10:43>, 39:8
<10:44>, 39:17
establish [2] <10:14> -
14:16 <10:17>, 17:3

established [1]
<10:31> - 28:11
estoppel [2] <10:40> 35:24 <10:40>, 36:3
et [1] <10:50> - 45:11
ethically [1] <10:48> 42:25
evidence [2] <10:17> 16:20 <10:18>, 17:20
evidentiary [1] <10:26>
- 24:7
eviscerated [1]
<10:46> - 41:8
exact [2] <10:17> 17:10 <10:39>, 35:18
exactly [2] <10:06> 7:18 <10:31>, 28:25
except [1] <10:30> 28:1
exception [1] <10:47>
- 42:14
excruciating [2]
<10:20> - 19:11 <10:24>,
22:14
expand [1] <10:09> 10:15
expenditures [1]
<10:44> - 39:24
explained [1] <10:41> 37:8
expressed [1] <10:35>
- 32:16
extraordinary [1]
<10:35> - 31:24
F
facetious [1] <10:02> 4:15
facility [2] <10:14> 14:6 <10:15>, 14:24
fact [3] <10:14> - 14:5
<10:17>, 17:11 <10:46>,
41:11
facts [6] <10:12> 12:18 <10:12>, 13:7
<10:13>, 14:3 <10:14>,
14:10 <10:32>, 30:3
<10:32>, 30:4
factual [2] <10:11> 12:11 <10:13>, 13:14
factually [1] <10:13> 13:18
fair [2] <10:11> - 11:24
<10:35>, 32:18
fairly [1] <10:11> 11:25
familiar [1] <10:43> -
39:1
fan [1] <10:25> - 24:2
far [4] <10:33> - 30:12
<10:33>, 30:15 <10:37>,
34:10 <10:43>, 39:1
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24:17 <10:26>, 24:20
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32:20 <10:36>, 33:5
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43:21 <10:50>, 44:20
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five-day [2] <10:49> 43:21 <10:50>, 44:23
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folks [3] <10:01> - 2:23
<10:48>, 43:10 <10:49>,
43:21
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Forest [1] - 2:13
forfeiture [10] <10:27>
- 25:9 <10:27>, 25:14
<10:28>, 25:16 <10:28>,
25:25 <10:38>, 34:16
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34:23 <10:39>, 35:15
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37:22
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<10:38>, 34:14
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Forrest [1] <10:41> 36:19
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<10:47>, 42:12
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<10:34>, 31:17 <10:47>,
42:1
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framers [2] <10:29> 27:6 <10:30>, 28:2
frankly [1] <10:02> 4:1
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front [1] <10:42> 37:20
fundamental [3]
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19:4 <10:24>, 22:13
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39:6 <10:44>, 39:21
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36:4
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33:20 <10:37>, 33:24
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1:6 <10:00>, 2:20
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<10:30> - 27:23 <10:37>,
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Happy [1] <10:15> 15:17
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healthcare [1] <10:24>
- 22:18
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<10:50>, 45:16
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26:23
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24:15 <10:42>, 38:8
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<10:44>, 39:15
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19:10 <10:32>, 29:23
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- 42:24
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impossible [1] <10:30>
- 28:8
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<10:43> - 38:17
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indeed [1] <10:09> 10:6
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indicating [1] <10:36>
- 32:21
individual [1] <10:07>
- 8:8
individuals [1] <10:14>
- 14:23
industry [2] <10:36> 33:2
inefficient [1] <10:35>
- 32:6
information [3]
<10:17> - 16:22 <10:17>,
17:10 <10:17>, 17:12
initiate [1] <10:42> 38:3
initiative [1] <10:44> 40:6
innocence [1] <10:40>
- 36:7
innocent [2] <10:38> 34:12 <10:42>, 37:23
instance [3] <10:26> 24:17 <10:27>, 24:25
<10:47>, 41:24
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Institute [1] <10:22> 21:10
institution [1] <10:45>
- 40:8
institutions [1]
<10:24> - 23:5
instructions [1]
<10:01> - 3:16
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intends [2] <10:27> 25:6 <10:28>, 25:24
interaction [1] <10:39>
- 35:19
interesting [5] <10:03>
- 4:21 <10:03>, 5:4
<10:45>, 40:25 <10:51>,
46:6 <10:51>, 46:9
internal [1] <10:36> -
33:11
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<10:51>, 46:12
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<10:12> - 13:6
intervene [1] <10:25> 23:16
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involving [1] <10:01> 3:5
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<10:46>, 41:7
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<10:17>, 17:3
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<10:09>, 9:22 <10:11>,
12:14 <10:11>, 12:15
<10:18>, 18:4 <10:28>,
26:8 <10:37>, 33:23
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36:23 <10:42>, 38:11
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<10:17>, 16:18 <10:29>,
27:5, 27:21 <10:39>,
35:5 <10:43>, 39:3
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<10:41>, 37:16
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23:23 <10:29>, 26:24
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job [3] <10:30> - 28:8
<10:48>,
42:21 <10:48>,
42:23
John [1] <10:02> - 4:12
joke [1] <10:16> - 16:9
jokes [1] <10:16> 16:8
judge [3] <10:23> 21:22 <10:30>, 27:24
<10:51>, 46:8
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11:2 <10:12>, 13:1
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<10:49>, 43:14 <10:50>,
44:19 <10:50>, 44:25
<10:51>, 46:7 <10:51>,
46:10 <10:51>, 46:17
JUDGE [1] - 1:4
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- 12:17 <10:12>, 12:18
<10:12>, 12:24 <10:13>,
13:16 <10:25>, 24:4
<10:38>, 34:15 <10:38>,
34:19 <10:41>, 36:22
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44:5 <10:49>, 44:8
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<10:30>, 28:2, 47:8
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<10:49>, 44:17 <10:50>,
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jury [9] <10:27> - 25:12
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25:19 <10:28>, 25:20
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25:25 <10:49>, 43:22
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7:15 <10:07>, 8:2
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20:25 <10:23>, 22:11
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33:10 <10:46>, 41:4
King [1] <10:02> - 4:12
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- 32:22 <10:37>, 34:8
knowledge [1] <10:17>
- 16:22
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<10:32>, 30:3
landlord [3] <10:36> 32:23 <10:38>, 34:11
<10:38>, 34:15
landlords [2] <10:37> 34:2 <10:37>, 34:7
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19:2 <10:29>, 26:18
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30:11
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late-night [1] <10:16> 16:8
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laundering [1] <10:37>
- 34:8
Law [1] - 2:11
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<10:05>, 6:25 <10:08>,
9:8 <10:09>, 10:9
<10:10>, 10:16 <10:12>,
13:2 <10:12>, 13:4
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38:20 <10:45>, 40:18
<10:45>, 40:23
law's [1] <10:20> 19:19
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laws [4] <10:08> - 9:10
<10:08>, 9:11 <10:47>,
42:10 <10:48>, 42:15
layers [1] <10:12> 12:17
lead [1] <10:43> - 39:9
leasing [1] <10:27> 24:22
least [1] <10:15> 14:24
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2:13
legal [3] <10:08> - 9:2
<10:22>, 21:19 <10:26>,
24:5
legalization [1]
<10:25> - 23:10
legally [1] <10:15> 14:24
legislate [1] <10:31> 28:23
legislation [1] <10:24>
- 23:6
legislative [1] <10:23>
- 21:23
legislature [2] 28:21 <10:39>, 35:12
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9:18 <10:09>, 9:21
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41:22
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level [4] <10:38> 34:20 <10:39>, 35:14
<10:40>, 36:6 <10:45>,
40:22
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life [1] <10:24> - 23:5
lift [1] <10:06> - 7:11
light [1] <10:02> - 4:13
limited [2] <10:34> 31:6 <10:36>, 33:8
limits [1] <10:06> - 7:4
line [1] <10:50> - 45:17

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<10:44>, 40:6
locals [1] <10:13> 13:12
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32:20 <10:36>, 32:21
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40:6
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<10:32>, 29:18
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mattpappaslaw.com
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missile [1] <10:18> 18:4
misspoke [1] <10:07> 8:21
misuse [1] <10:44> 39:22
modest [1] <10:06> 7:21
moment [1] <10:00> 2:14
MONDAY [2] - 1:18
<09:11>, 1:1
money [2] <10:37> 34:2 <10:40>, 35:21
monies [2] <10:27> 25:3 <10:37>, 34:7
month [1] <10:01> 3:11
months [1] <10:47> 42:1
moot [1] <10:18> 17:23
morning [4] <09:11> 1:5 <10:00>, 2:9 <10:00>,
2:12 <10:00>, 2:19

most [1] <10:19> - 19:3
motion [8] <09:11> 1:9 <09:11>, 1:16
<09:11>, 1:23 <10:02>,
4:3 <10:02>, 4:17
<10:41>, 36:25 <10:49>,
44:15 <10:50>, 45:10
motions [1] <10:25> 24:3
move [1] <10:02> 3:22
MR [136] <09:11> - 1:5
<09:11>, 1:11 <09:11>,
1:13 <09:11>, 1:20
<09:11>, 1:22 <09:12>,
2:1 <09:12>, 2:4 <10:00>,
2:9 <10:00>, 2:12
<10:00>, 2:19 <10:01>,
3:3 <10:01>, 3:8 <10:01>,
3:10 <10:01>, 3:13
<10:02>, 4:6 <10:02>, 4:8
<10:04>, 5:15 <10:04>,
5:21 <10:04>, 6:3
<10:05>, 6:7 <10:05>,
6:13 <10:05>, 6:22
<10:06>, 7:10 <10:06>,
7:23 <10:07>, 8:9
<10:08>, 8:24 <10:09>,
9:17 <10:09>, 9:25
<10:09>, 10:6 <10:09>,
10:12 <10:10>, 10:18
<10:10>, 10:21 <10:10>,
11:1 <10:10>, 11:5
<10:10>, 11:11 <10:10>,
11:16 <10:11>, 11:19
<10:11>, 11:22 <10:11>,
12:5 <10:12>, 12:20
<10:12>, 12:25 <10:12>,
13:3 <10:13>, 13:17
<10:14>, 14:17 <10:14>,
14:20 <10:15>, 15:8
<10:16>, 15:23 <10:16>,
16:1 <10:16>, 16:14
<10:17>, 17:6 <10:18>,
17:22 <10:18>, 17:24
<10:18>, 18:2 <10:18>,
18:6 <10:19>, 18:11
<10:19>, 18:13 <10:19>,
18:16 <10:19>, 18:22
<10:19>, 19:2 <10:20>,
19:24 <10:21>, 20:2
<10:21>, 20:5 <10:21>,
20:14 <10:21>, 20:23
<10:23>, 22:3 <10:24>,
22:20 <10:24>, 22:25
<10:25>, 23:12 <10:25>,
23:17 <10:26>, 24:5
<10:27>, 25:13 <10:28>,
25:18 <10:28>, 26:2
<10:28>,
26:5 <10:29>,
26:14 <10:29>, 26:21,
27:19, 27:21 <10:30>,
28:1 <10:31>, 28:18
<10:31>, 28:23 <10:31>,
29:7 <10:32>, 29:10
<10:32>, 29:15 <10:32>,
29:21 <10:32>, 29:23
<10:32>, 30:1 <10:33>,
30:8 <10:33>, 30:20
<10:33>, 30:22 <10:33>,
30:25 <10:34>, 31:7
<10:34>, 31:11 <10:34>,
31:17 <10:35>, 32:19
<10:36>, 33:11 <10:37>,
33:16 <10:37>, 34:1
<10:38>, 34:24 <10:40>,
35:24 <10:40>, 36:9
<10:41>, 36:18 <10:41>,
36:21 <10:41>, 37:1
<10:41>, 37:7 <10:41>,
37:16 <10:42>, 37:21
<10:42>, 38:2 <10:43>,
38:23 <10:43>, 39:4
<10:44>, 39:13 <10:44>,
40:3 <10:44>, 40:4
<10:44>, 40:5 <10:45>,
40:12 <10:45>, 40:19
<10:46>, 41:5 <10:46>,
41:9 <10:47>, 42:4
<10:48>, 42:18 <10:48>,
42:20 <10:48>, 43:3
<10:49>, 43:14 <10:49>,
43:15 <10:49>, 43:24
<10:49>, 43:25 <10:49>,
44:4 <10:49>, 44:7
<10:49>, 44:10 <10:51>,
45:20 <10:51>, 45:22
<10:51>, 45:24 <10:51>,
46:2 <10:51>, 46:13
<10:51>, 46:16 <10:51>,
46:17
must [1] <10:15> 15:12
myopia [2] <10:36> 33:1 <10:36>, 33:10
N
name [1] <10:12> 12:23
named [1] <10:16> 16:13
nation [2] <10:33> 31:2 <10:47>, 42:7
National [1] <10:22> 21:10
national [1] <10:24> 22:18
natural [1] <10:24> -
22:15
nature [3] <10:12> 13:7 <10:26>, 24:7
<10:27>, 25:10
near [1] <10:41> 36:20
necessarily [1]
<10:29> - 27:5
necessary [1] <10:29>
- 27:9
need [5] <10:11> - 12:1
<10:46>, 41:19 <10:48>,
43:5 <10:49>, 44:3
<10:50>, 45:15
needed [2] <10:45> 40:15 <10:50>, 45:12
needing [1] <10:18> 17:16
needs [1] <10:31> 28:13
negative [1] <10:34> 31:9
never [4] <10:24> 22:15 <10:35>, 32:13
<10:35>, 32:14 <10:35>,
32:15
New [1] <10:15> 15:17
new [1] <10:11> 11:25
next [1] <10:19> 18:23
night [1] <10:16> 16:8
Ninth [3] <10:21> 20:24 <10:28>, 26:4
<10:31>, 29:6
nonmedicinal [5]
<10:15> - 15:5 <10:15>,
15:7 <10:15>, 15:11
<10:15>, 15:14 <10:17>,
17:4
North [1] - 2:6
note [1] <10:01> - 3:1
notice [22] <10:09> 9:16 <10:09>, 9:18
<10:09>, 9:20 <10:09>,
10:11 <10:10>, 10:23
<10:11>, 12:3 <10:11>,
12:4 <10:11>, 12:5
<10:11>, 12:7 <10:11>,
12:8 <10:11>, 12:13
<10:12>, 13:7 <10:12>,
13:8 <10:25>, 23:21
<10:25>, 24:2 <10:41>,
37:4 <10:41>, 37:5
<10:41>, 37:6 <10:41>,
37:10 <10:42>, 37:25
<10:46>, 41:10 <10:50>,
45:12
notified [3] <10:09> 10:1 <10:10>, 10:19

<10:32>, 29:13
November [1] <10:32>
- 29:11
nowhere [1] <10:41> 36:20
number [3] <10:17> 16:24 <10:21>, 20:15
<10:22>, 21:8
nurse [1] <10:15> 15:15
O
O'Neill [1] <10:23> 22:8
obligation [1] <10:31>
- 28:12
obtained [1] <10:16> 16:3
obviously [2] <09:11>
- 1:15 <10:51>, 46:6
occur [1] <10:19> 18:20
offered [1] <10:51> 46:12
Office [3] - 2:5
<10:25>, 23:19 <10:36>,
33:13
officer [4] <10:11> 12:6 <10:14>, 14:5
<10:43>, 38:19 <10:45>,
40:23
offices [1] <10:33> 31:1
official [1] <10:46> 41:22
officials [1] <10:40> 36:11
Ogden [14] <10:06> 7:7 <10:07>, 8:15
<10:07>, 8:20 <10:08>,
9:1 <10:09>, 10:4
<10:18>, 17:18 <10:19>,
18:12 <10:19>, 18:13
<10:27>, 24:22 <10:33>,
30:18 <10:33>, 30:20
<10:34>, 31:16 <10:35>,
32:5 <10:35>, 32:15
Ogden's [1] <10:32> 30:6
once [2] <10:18> - 18:3
<10:36>, 33:12
one [12] <09:11> - 1:17
<10:00>, 2:14 <10:02>,
4:13 <10:09>, 9:24
<10:14>, 14:7 <10:24>,
22:20 <10:37>, 33:24
<10:38>,
34:17 <10:40>,
36:14 <10:44>, 39:11
<10:44>, 39:14 <10:46>,
41:9
opening [3] <10:04> 5:24 <10:04>, 5:25
<10:04>, 6:4
operating [1] <10:17> 17:7
operator [1] <10:46> 41:19
opinion [4] <10:14> 14:21 <10:22>, 21:1
<10:22>, 21:4 <10:32>,
29:11
opportunity [1]
<10:39> - 35:12
opposes [1] <10:25> 23:23
opposition [1] <10:41>
- 37:8
Option [1] <10:50> 45:19
Orange [2] <10:15> 15:13 <10:16>, 16:10
order [5] <10:27> 25:11 <10:27>, 25:13
<10:27>, 25:15 <10:50>,
45:8
Oregon [3] <10:05> 6:23 <10:05>, 6:24
<10:08>, 9:7
original [1] <10:45> 40:16
originally [1] <10:01> 3:6
outside [1] <10:23> 22:9
overall [1] <10:16> 16:16
overrun [1] <10:42> 38:9
own [2] <10:34> 31:18 <10:35>, 32:1
owner [4] <10:32> 30:4 <10:36>, 32:23
<10:38>, 34:15 <10:46>,
41:19
owners [8] <10:06> 7:21 <10:10>, 11:9
<10:10>, 11:14 <10:10>,
11:15 <10:27>, 24:21
<10:28>, 26:6 <10:42>,
37:23 <10:46>, 41:14
ownership [1] <10:38>
- 34:13
OxyContin [1] <10:16>
- 16:3
P
PADDOCK [2] - 1:24,
47:11
Page [4] <10:07> - 8:16
<10:07>, 8:17 <10:07>,
8:18 <10:07>, 8:19
pages [1] <10:15> 15:12
paid [3] <10:27> 24:25 <10:37>, 34:8
pain [2] <10:20> 19:11 <10:24>, 22:14
panel [5] <10:32> 29:11 <10:50>, 45:19
<10:51>, 46:4 <10:51>,
46:5 <10:51>, 46:11
paper [1] <10:08> - 9:4
papers [10] <10:02> 4:7 <10:03>, 4:18
<10:03>, 5:2 <10:04>,
5:20 <10:05>, 6:10
<10:08>, 9:15 <10:09>,
10:14 <10:12>, 13:11
<10:34>, 31:14 <10:45>,
41:1
Pappas [10] - 2:10,
2:11 <10:00>, 2:10
<10:00>, 2:11 <10:00>,
2:18 <10:32>, 30:5
<10:35>, 32:4 <10:43>,
38:25 <10:48>, 42:23
<10:51>, 46:3
PAPPAS [88] <10:00> 2:9 <10:01>, 3:3 <10:02>,
4:6 <10:02>, 4:8 <10:04>,
5:15 <10:04>, 5:21
<10:04>, 6:3 <10:05>, 6:7
<10:05>, 6:13 <10:05>,
6:22 <10:06>, 7:10
<10:06>, 7:23 <10:07>,
8:9 <10:08>, 8:24
<10:09>, 9:17 <10:09>,
9:25 <10:09>, 10:6
<10:09>, 10:12 <10:10>,
10:18 <10:10>, 10:21
<10:10>, 11:1 <10:10>,
11:5 <10:10>, 11:11
<10:10>, 11:16 <10:11>,
11:19 <10:11>, 11:22
<10:11>, 12:5 <10:12>,
12:20 <10:12>, 12:25
<10:12>, 13:3 <10:13>,
13:17 <10:14>, 14:17
<10:14>, 14:20 <10:15>,
15:8 <10:16>, 15:23
<10:16>, 16:1 <10:16>,
16:14 <10:17>, 17:6
<10:18>, 17:22 <10:18>,
17:24 <10:18>, 18:2
<10:18>,
18:6 <10:19>,
18:11 <10:19>, 18:13
<10:19>, 18:16 <10:19>,
18:22 <10:19>, 19:2
<10:20>, 19:24 <10:21>,
20:2 <10:21>, 20:5
<10:21>, 20:14 <10:21>,
20:23 <10:23>, 22:3
<10:24>, 22:20 <10:24>,
22:25 <10:25>, 23:12
<10:25>, 23:17 <10:26>,
24:5 <10:27>, 25:13
<10:28>, 25:18 <10:28>,
26:2 <10:28>, 26:5
<10:29>, 26:14 <10:29>,
26:21, 27:19, 27:21
<10:30>, 28:1 <10:31>,
28:18 <10:31>, 28:23
<10:31>, 29:7 <10:32>,
29:10 <10:32>, 29:15
<10:32>, 29:21 <10:41>,
36:18 <10:43>, 39:4
<10:44>, 39:13 <10:44>,
40:3 <10:44>, 40:5
<10:45>, 40:12 <10:45>,
40:19 <10:48>, 43:3
<10:49>, 43:14 <10:49>,
43:25 <10:49>, 44:4
<10:49>, 44:10 <10:51>,
45:20 <10:51>, 45:24
<10:51>, 46:17
paragraph [3] <10:04>
- 5:24 <10:04>, 5:25
<10:17>, 17:10
parham [1] <10:25> 23:18
Parham [7] - 2:5
<09:11>, 1:6 <10:00>,
2:20 <10:28>, 25:22
<10:48>, 42:19 <10:48>,
43:8 <10:49>, 44:4
PARHAM [44] <09:11>
- 1:5 <09:11>, 1:11
<09:11>, 1:13 <09:11>,
1:20 <09:11>, 1:22
<09:12>, 2:1 <09:12>, 2:4
<10:00>, 2:19 <10:32>,
29:23 <10:32>, 30:1
<10:33>, 30:8 <10:33>,
30:20 <10:33>, 30:22
<10:33>, 30:25 <10:34>,
31:7 <10:34>, 31:11
<10:34>, 31:17 <10:35>,
32:19 <10:36>, 33:11
<10:37>, 33:16 <10:37>,
34:1 <10:38>, 34:24
<10:40>, 35:24 <10:40>,
36:9 <10:41>, 36:21
<10:41>, 37:1 <10:41>,
37:7 <10:41>, 37:16
<10:42>, 37:21 <10:42>,
38:2 <10:43>, 38:23

<10:44>, 40:4 <10:46>,
41:5 <10:46>, 41:9
<10:47>, 42:4 <10:48>,
42:18 <10:48>, 42:20
<10:49>, 43:15 <10:49>,
43:24 <10:49>, 44:7
<10:51>, 45:22 <10:51>,
46:2 <10:51>, 46:13
<10:51>, 46:16
parsing [1] <10:03> 5:1
part [5] <10:11> 12:11 <10:22>, 21:10
<10:30>, 28:3 <10:36>,
33:1 <10:41>, 37:11
participate [1] <10:04>
- 6:2
particular [1] <10:26> 24:6
parties [1] <10:49> 44:17
party [1] <10:10> 11:1
pass [3] <10:20> 19:20 <10:20>, 19:24
<10:24>, 23:6
passed [4] <10:24> 22:18 <10:35>, 32:11
<10:43>, 38:17 <10:47>,
42:9
passion [2] <10:45> 40:22 <10:48>, 43:7
patch [1] <10:17> 16:23
patience [1] <10:14> 14:18
patient [1] <10:16> 16:12
patients [4] <10:16> 16:9 <10:21>, 20:8
<10:24>, 22:13 <10:34>,
31:3
Patients [1] <10:44> 39:22
Pause [1] <10:00> 2:16
pay [1] <10:27> - 25:3
payment [1] <10:26> 24:20
pending [5] <10:43> 39:2 <10:44>, 39:19
<10:44>, 40:1 <10:44>,
40:5 <10:44>, 40:6
People [3] <10:35> 32:12 <10:43>, 38:17
<10:43>, 38:21
people [7] <10:20> 19:8 <10:21>, 20:10
<10:21>, 20:17 <10:27>,
25:3 <10:30>, 27:25,

28:21 <10:35>, 32:9
per [1] <10:01> - 3:15
percent [2] <10:25> 23:11 <10:30>, 27:15
perfect [1] <10:32> 30:5
perhaps [5] <10:14> 14:18 <10:17>, 17:12
<10:21>, 20:11 <10:23>,
21:20 <10:34>, 31:9
permission [1]
<10:46> - 41:12
perpetrated [1]
<10:07> - 8:7
personal [1] <10:17> 16:22
perspective [1]
<10:26> - 24:6
pesky [1] <10:49> 43:19
petition [1] <10:32> 29:15
phoned [1] <10:35> 32:4
phrase [1] <10:12> 12:22
pick [1] <10:02> - 3:23
picked [1] <10:16> 15:19
piece [1] <10:35> 32:1
place [1] <10:20> 19:17
plains [1] <10:02> - 4:9
PLAINTIFF [1] - 2:4
plaintiff [3] <10:01> 3:7 <10:10>, 10:24
<10:28>, 25:24
Plaintiff(s [1] - 1:8
plaintiffs [1] <10:04> 5:24
Plane [1] <10:16> 15:20
plant [2] <10:24> 22:14 <10:24>, 22:15
Platinum [1] <10:16> 15:19
playing [1] <10:38> 34:25
plead [1] <10:41> 37:5
pleading [10] <10:09> 10:15 <10:10>, 10:16
<10:10>, 10:21 <10:11>,
12:11 <10:11>, 12:14
<10:13>, 13:17 <10:41>,
37:3 <10:45>, 41:2
<10:45>, 41:3
pled [3] <10:13> -
13:18 <10:14>, 14:10

<10:41>, 37:6
point [5] <10:14> 14:7 <10:16>, 16:1
<10:22>, 21:5 <10:39>,
35:17 <10:46>, 41:10
pointed [1] <10:47> 42:9
points [1] <10:45> 40:25
poker [1] <10:38> 34:25
policy [2] <10:47> 42:7 <10:47>, 42:14
politicians [2] <10:18>
- 18:7 <10:23>, 22:10
polls [1] <10:30> 27:14
poor [2] <10:40> 35:21 <10:40>, 36:7
portion [1] <10:38> 34:14
position [4] <10:18> 18:9 <10:23>, 22:4
<10:48>, 42:22 <10:48>,
42:24
post [2] <10:38> 34:15 <10:38>, 34:19
post-judgment [2]
<10:38> - 34:15 <10:38>,
34:19
pot [2] <10:33> - 30:14
<10:33>, 30:15
potheads [1] <10:16> 15:18
power [2] <10:08> 9:13 <10:23>, 22:11
practice [3] <10:40> 36:15 <10:41>, 36:19
<10:49>, 44:15
preclude [1] <10:49> 44:2
Pregerson [1] <10:22>
- 20:25
prejudicial [2] <10:17>
- 16:24
prescription [1]
<10:16> - 16:4
present [1] <10:12> 12:18
presentation [1]
<10:02> - 4:3
presented [8] <10:03>
- 4:21 <10:07>, 8:16
<10:07>, 8:17 <10:07>,
8:18 <10:26>, 24:5
<10:31>, 29:3 <10:39>,
35:18 <10:41>, 36:25
presenting [1] <10:48>
- 42:21
president [7] <10:06> 8:1 <10:07>, 8:2 <10:18>,

17:18 <10:18>, 17:25
<10:35>, 32:2 <10:35>,
32:14 <10:36>, 33:14
president's [1]
<10:32> - 30:6
presidential [1]
<10:24> - 23:9
PRESIDING [1] - 1:4
pretend [1] <10:18> 17:19
pretrial [1] <10:50> 45:2
PRETRIAL [1] - 1:17
pretty [5] <10:04> - 6:4
<10:06>, 7:22 <10:07>,
8:17 <10:08>, 8:22
<10:50>, 45:13
prevail [1] <10:41> 37:13
previous [1] <10:32> 30:6
previously [4] <10:02>
- 3:18 <10:03>, 5:3
<10:05>, 6:8 <10:24>,
23:5
principle [1] <10:35> 31:25
printed [1] <10:08> 9:5
printout [4] <10:13> 13:21 <10:14>, 14:15
<10:15>, 15:3 <10:15>,
15:6
priority [2] <10:26> 24:10 <10:34>, 31:3
probable [1] <10:19> 18:23
problem [3] <10:13> 13:25 <10:19>, 18:22
<10:34>, 31:19
procedure [1] <10:50>
- 45:18
procedures [1]
<10:37> - 34:8
proceedings [3]
<10:00> - 2:16 <10:51>,
46:18, 47:5
PROCEEDINGS [1] 1:17
proceeds [1] <10:37> 34:2
process [10] <10:08> 9:6 <10:13>, 13:16
<10:20>, 19:9 <10:28>,
25:21 <10:29>, 27:4
<10:30>, 27:20 <10:35>,
32:16 <10:43>, 38:22
<10:50>, 45:15
processing [1]
- 29:2
professions [1]
<10:06> - 7:22
progress [1] <10:39> 35:17
prohibits [1] <10:44> 39:23
promises [1] <10:35> 32:3
properly [2] <10:30> 28:6
Property [3] - 1:12
<09:11>, 1:4, 2:7
property [19] <10:04> 6:1 <10:06>, 7:21
<10:07>, 8:5 <10:10>,
11:15 <10:19>, 18:21
<10:25>, 23:16 <10:33>,
30:7 <10:35>, 32:1
<10:35>, 32:10 <10:35>,
32:17 <10:36>, 32:23
<10:37>, 33:20 <10:37>,
33:24 <10:38>, 34:15
<10:41>, 37:11 <10:42>,
37:24 <10:46>, 41:14
<10:46>, 41:18
PROPERTY [1] - 2:2
proportionality [1]
<10:38> - 34:14
proposition [6]
<10:35> - 32:16 <10:43>,
38:17 <10:43>, 38:22
<10:44>, 40:1 <10:45>,
40:11 <10:45>, 40:14
prosecuted [1]
<10:40> - 36:4
prosecuting [2]
<10:06> - 7:16 <10:34>,
31:3
prospects [1] <10:25>
- 23:14
protection [1] <10:22>
- 21:15
proven [1] <10:41> 37:13
provide [1] <10:16> 16:6
provided [4] <10:17> 16:20 <10:20>, 19:14
<10:46>, 41:15 <10:46>,
41:17
proving [1] <10:42> 37:23
public [1] <10:30> 27:15
pulse [1] <10:18> 17:15
purely [2] <10:12> 13:2 <10:12>, 13:3
<10:31>
purpose [5] <10:14> 14:14 <10:14>, 14:20

<10:16>, 16:5 <10:26>,
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re-dress [1] <10:38> 34:12

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<10:30> - 27:15
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recreational [8]
<10:05> - 6:25 <10:08>,
9:8 <10:16>, 16:3
<10:20>, 19:23 <10:20>,
19:25 <10:21>, 20:2
<10:21>, 20:5 <10:21>,
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referencing [1]
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<10:23>, 21:23
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<10:08>, 9:6
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<10:40>, 36:4
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<10:31>, 29:7
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<10:35>, 32:8
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<10:45>
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Representatives [1]
<10:24> - 23:2
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<10:48> - 42:23
Republican [1]
<10:24> - 22:20
Republicans [1]
<10:24> - 23:3
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<10:50>, 45:19
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<10:51>, 45:22 <10:51>,
45:25
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require [1] <10:26> 24:19
requirement [2]
<10:10> - 10:21 <10:11>,
12:11
requirements [2]
<10:11> - 12:15 <10:41>,
37:4
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<10:36>, 33:8
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<10:30>, 28:5
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<10:17> - 16:19
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<10:43>
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<10:30>, 27:18
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<10:02> - 4:9 <10:04>,
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<09:11>, 1:1
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<09:11>,
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<10:40> - 35:25
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<10:12>, 12:24 <10:13>,
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<10:41>, 36:22 <10:49>,
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<10:37>, 34:7 <10:43>,
<10:07>,
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taxpayer [2] <10:44> 39:20 <10:44>, 39:25
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18:18
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<10:13>, 13:24 <10:20>,
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themselves [1]
<10:23> - 22:9
theories [1] <10:03> 4:22
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think's [1] <10:27> 25:4
thinking [2] <10:23> 21:22 <10:49>, 44:8
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third-party [1] <10:10>
- 11:1
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<10:49>, 43:21 <10:50>,
44:20
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<10:16> - 16:17 <10:46>,
41:18
throwing [1] <10:21> 20:19
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<10:15>, 14:24
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32:21 <10:39>, 35:7

<10:47>, 42:13
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<10:01>, 3:10 <10:03>,
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<10:22>, 21:19 <10:23>,
21:22
traditionally [1]
<10:08> - 9:11
transaction [3]
<10:04> - 5:16 <10:04>,
6:1 <10:14>, 14:5
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<10:19>, 18:23 <10:27>,
25:7 <10:27>, 25:10
<10:28>, 25:21 <10:41>,
37:13 <10:49>, 43:22
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47:3
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<10:21>, 20:20
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<10:06>, 7:7 <10:24>,
23:1 <10:29>, 26:24
<10:43>, 39:2 <10:44>,
39:19
Twombly [2] <10:46> 41:4 <10:46>, 41:7
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<10:11>, 12:12 <10:32>,
30:4
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12
39:3 <10:44>, 39:24
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ultimate [2] <10:26> 24:14 <10:27>, 25:15
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<10:31>, 28:16
under [5] <10:11> 11:25 <10:44>, 39:18
<10:44>, 39:22 <10:47>,
41:25 <10:48>, 43:11
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<09:11>, 1:3 <09:11>, 1:6
<10:00>, 2:6 <10:00>,
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<10:07>, 8:11 <10:23>,
22:2 <10:24>, 22:19
<10:29>, 26:13 <10:47>,
42:1 <10:48>, 42:22
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<10:01>, 3:1
up [16] <10:00> - 2:15
<10:01>, 3:2 <10:02>,
3:23 <10:02>, 4:13
<10:03>, 4:23 <10:16>,
15:19 <10:16>, 15:20
<10:24>, 22:19 <10:24>,
22:21 <10:34>, 31:14
<10:35>, 32:4 <10:41>,
37:13 <10:43>, 39:9
<10:49>, 44:1 <10:50>,
45:13 <10:51>, 46:12
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USA [1] - 2:2
USACAC.Criminal
@usdoj.gov [1] - 2:8
USC [2] <10:38> 34:13 <10:41>, 37:16
V
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verdict [1] <10:28> 25:25
verification [2]
<10:11> - 12:6
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<10:44>, 39:23 <10:45>,
40:23
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA

IN BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF:

120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D USA REAL PROPERTY SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)

SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA; MONDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2012

Real Property Located at 2601 West Ball Road, Anaheim.

United States of America versus

Greg Parham, Assistant United States Attorney,

Good morning, Your Honor.

for the government.

The motion to dismiss is scheduled for 10:00;

We've got a scheduling conference obviously set for

9:00, motion at 10:00, maybe he got confused but he hasn't

told me one way or the other.

Well, I'm going to assume he's

dismiss is set for 10:00, so I can't have you argue that.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D USA REAL PROPERTY SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)

(An unrelated matter was handled at this time.)

That's what we'll do.

Thank you, Your Honor.

Item 3, SACV 12-1345:

America v Real Property Located at 2601 West Ball Road,

Good morning, Judge.

Matthew Pappas for the claimants.

Welcome, Mr. Pappas.

Good morning, Your Honor.

Lee Durst, also for the claimants.

Let me catch up here.

(Pause in the proceedings.)

I have Mr. Pappas, I have Mr. Durst, and --

Greg Parham, Assistant United States Attorney, for

Wait just one moment.

Good morning again, Your Honor.

Folks, why doesn't everyone have a seat.

We've got some work to do here.

(An unrelated matter was handled at this time.)

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D USA REAL PROPERTY SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)

It's another case involving Mr. Durst.

Were you originally scheduled on a case where you

were the plaintiff today, Durst versus -MR. DURST:

Well, I don't think it's today.

My understanding is it was later in the month.

What's the status of that case?

They have been served and -- but we've

had no responses or anything else.

We had to do the amended complaint you -- per your

We then served them.

They have not previously answered the first

maybe now is not the right time to bring it up.

First, on an unrelated note -- well,

We will pick up the scheduling conference at the

end of our discussions that we're about to have right now.

Then let's move to this case.

We did not issue a tentative in this case.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

120312 DCCD GUILFORD 10D USA REAL PROPERTY SACV 12-1345-AG(MLGx)

I have -- frankly, I have so many questions to ask.

I think it best that I let the defense start with

the presentation of their 12(b)(6) motion and I'll ask

Thank you, Judge.

I was wondering how that was going to help me with