Round 1 was about 4 years ago when WSA came into the ONA scene.

If some here can recall. This will be round 2. The backstory: A couple/few fiction authors writes about ONA aka the Order of Nine Angels, and casts it as an evil organization of killers. Some ONA people here then expresses the dismay that the "real" ONA isn't as evi l as it is in fiction. This leads into the question on if ONA has become "soft," here I suppose meanin g the opposite of "hardcore." After the question of if ONA has become soft a few people step up to either directly or indirectly point their fingers at me and/or WSA. Into The Ring: I will in this battle take the lower ground, placing myself in a disadvantage and agree that the ONA has become "soft" because of me, and WSA. Now you guys - anybody here - take the higher ground and prove to me that ONA was actually hardcore. The WSA came into the ONA picture in 2008. This means that if you guys believe that I and/or WSA are responsible for the ONA going soft, then there must have been a time before 2008 when ONA was hardcore and killing folk or doing sinister stuff. I will give you a full decade [10 years] too show me the living proof in the real world that between the years 1998-2008 that yes indeed ONA was hardcore, and that when WSA came into the picture in 2008, ONA went soft. Lets stop the theoretical bullshit, and try to work now with real concrete shit . Between the years 1998-2008 show me and everyone how ONA was "hard." I'll list a few events during this time as exhibits to consider: 2005-2012: Grand Magister Blackwood, a fat ass nobody names himself "Master of ONA." For 7 years he asserts this. Question: How does a nobody like Blackwood take over a hardcore ONA? Exhibit 2: Culling. Give me one case between 1998-2008 when one of you hardcore ONA guys in here culled someone. And tell me why none of you guys can't be hardcore anymore since 2008. Exhibit 3: Of all the Temples and ONA groups which existed between the years 1998-2008 how many of them weren't occult shit? Don't tell me occult shit is what you mean by "hardcore" either. I'm giving you 10 full years to dig around and show me as best as you can that indeed between the years 1998-2008 ONA was hardcore and that when WSA came into the scene in 2008 it became soft. Show me the actual data to back up your

emotive outbursts. Don't even tell me that: "Well, back in the old days in 1979 ONA was a nazi biker gang and the Old Guard this one time got into a bar fight with some Hell' s Angels." Cuz the further back in ONA history you go to dug up data to show that ONA was once un-soft, the more of a "nostalgia syndrome" you guys will be making it. An d the more disadvantages you guys will have. For instance in the 1970's when David Myatt was writing "sinister fiction" and writing about his style of Satanism, you can't tell me that stuff was "hardcore." For instance, during the 1980's when ONA was 12 people chanting to dark gods in some hills in Shropshire, you can't tell me that ONA was hardcore. And don't tell me ONA at this time was sacrificing people to Satan unless you have some sort of proof to show. Any kind of proof. Also the ONA during the 1990's when it was DM and CB selling booklets to random people via snail mail and placing ads in occult magazines about things like "hardcore motherfucking porn" and the Sound Magic, and Magic of Silence. Don't tell me this is what you define as being un-soft. And don't be listing shit c18, or c88, or the Nazi movement may have don't or gotten into either because we're talking about "ONA proper" the thing also called Traditional Satanism. Start digging the shit. 1998-2008. Prove to everybody that ONA was unsoft, what being unsoft looks like outside mythos and narratives, and show me examples of when you guys or some ONA people did the deeds during this time which made ONA unsoft. And show me why none of you guys in ONA can continue to do those things which made ONA soft. I'll predict right here that a majority of you theoreticians and intellectuals here will talk a whole lot of shit, but will produce very little concrete shit. What's that one guy said: Self criticism is nothing without self rectification? Let me see you guys team up and rectify this "problem" of ONA being soft. Pointing fingers at me or WSA directly or indirectly doesn't solve the "problem." So if today ONA has indeed gone soft, it means it must have been hard in the near past before 2008. Show me. "ONA versus WSA Round 2"