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Inspiration for creating this forum goes back to conversations with my

father as early as 1969 at height of Vietnam War The tangible
inspiration to create such a forum came when I attended Society of
Military history USA s annual April 1996 meeting at Arlington Virginia
co sponsored by Centre for Study of Intelligence of CIA history staff.
Kevin .C. Ruffner was a great support in sharing much archival data.We

stayed in touch till 2000 or so.Society of Military history was a big

disappointment when they hesitated in accepting their journals factual
and analytical failings in 2000-2004. A lesson that even so highly
advanced and educated societies have biases.Not about narrow
ideological IDEAS ,its about spirit of pluralism as signified by habeas
corpus and healthy scepticism of Bertrand Russell and exactness of
Francis Bacon sans Bacons opportunism.Its a citadel of superior minds ,
addressing broader, really substantial issues confronting mankind !

iconoclastic individuals who can fearlessly look into a symbolic pit of

hell and yet speak their minds .Lieutenant general Patrick ex head of
DIA has been a most crucial moral support since 2010 , earliest stages
of the group.More importantly he has remained a part of the group
without taking sides.
That fallacious assessments can be made and no agency in mankind's
history was infallible.
That wisdom and intellect converge at one point where analysts detach
themselves from narrow man made divisions of state , nationality ,
ideology, ethnicity and class.
When members of this group enter this group they must leave their
citizenship, religion , ethnicity and ideology in a quarantine chamber
1760 yards from this group.
That intelligence agencies have been very frequently misused in
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Admiral Nakhimov to become most powerful Battlecruiser in the

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Admiral Nakhimov to become most powerful Battlecruiser in the World,

Returns: 2018
The Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser is to receive new ordnance, putting it
ahead of the Russian fleets current flagship, the Peter the Great missile cruiser.
Military sources say the installation of the new long-range S-400 and PolimentRedut...

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William C. Perone Not good for us.

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Timothy Linnomme One falling Mark 7 shell....

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Peter Crittenden The battleship was rendered obsolete on 7 December,

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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB We lost 1 one, the other was used for
parts to bring the other 6 back into battle, We had lost (SUNK) 16 US Carriers
however....So how this logic going Peter?
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB The Time when USA Was stupid holding
a whole fleet together is not A Battleship, that was Idiocy, Complacency of the
United States, Maybe it was even baited that way...
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Peter Crittenden WWII was won by the carrier, not the battleship . . . and
every major battleship sunk during WWII - on both sides - was sunk by fleet
air . . .
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Ugh...No...The Battleships Supported the
Carrier, How do you think all those Zero's were shot down? and the Normandy,
Pacific Islands Blasted...My Dad was a WW II Battleship Captain, Trust me I know
Better than your misinformed or rewritten history...Just look it up
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Battles Fought and Won By The US

Battleship.
816 November 1942 Battle of Casablanca World War II United States Navy
Vichy French -Navy American Victory.
1415 November 1942 Second Battle of Guadalcanal World War II United States
Navy Imperial Japanese -Navy American Victory.
25 October 1944 Battle of Surigao Strait World War II United States Navy
Imperial Japanese Navy American Victory
8 Nov 1942 Massachusetts versus Jean Bart, Casablanca
13 Nov 1942 South Dakota and Washington versus Krishima, Savo Island,
Solomon Islands.
24 - 25 Oct 1944 Yamashiro versus California, Maryland, Mississippi,
Pennsylvania, Tennessee, and W. Virginia at Surigao Straight.

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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB JAPAN During the last weeks of World
War II, Battleship of the United States Navy, bombarded several cities and
industrial facilities in Japan. Battleships and caused heavy damage to several of
the factories targeted. The Japanese military stunned by the heavy shells did not
attempt to attack the Allied fleet during this period, and none of the warships
involved in the bombardments suffered any damage.
The major bombardments began on 14 and 15 July 1945 when United States
warships attacked the cities of Kamaishi and Muroran. The next attack was
made by United States force against the city of Hitachi during the night of 17/18
July, shelled the Nojima Saki and Shionomisaki areas on 18 July and the night of
24/25 July, respectively. On 29 July, American Battleships attacked Hamamatsu,
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB GERMANY: On June 6th 1944 Allied

Forces landed on the beaches of Normandy. Six American, British and Canadian
Infantry Divisions, three Airborne Divisions and numerous supporting units came
ashore in landing craft or were airdropped into Normandy. Backing them was an
immense Naval Task Force which provided naval gunfire support, screened the
force from German U-Boat or surface naval forces and transported the massive
ground force. It was an amazing armada.
It was an armada that also is forgotten by many who read about Normandy or
whose only exposure to the landings are films such as Saving Private Ryan.
Today I think it is fitting to remember Battleships that served at Normandy, USS
Arkansas, USS Texas, USS Nevada, HMS Warspite, HMS Ramillies and HMS
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB GETTING TO JAPAN, BATTLESHIP ISLAND

SINKING: By the end of 1942, the Japanese Empire had expanded to its farthest
extent. Japanese soldiers were occupying or attacking positions from India to
Alaska, as well as islands across the South Pacific. From the end of that year

through early 1945, the U.S. Navy, under Admiral Chester Nimitz, adopted a
strategy of "Battleship island-hopping". Rather than attacking Japan's Imperial
Navy in force, the goal was to capture and control strategic islands along a path
toward the Japanese home islands, enabling to bringing Carrier based U.S.
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Japanese soldiers fought the island

landings fiercely, killing many Allied soldiers and sometimes making desperate,
last-ditch suicidal attacks. At sea, Japanese submarine, bomber, and kamikaze
attacks took a heavy toll on the U.S. fleet, but Japan was unable to sink any of
the Battleships, halted the island-by-island advance. By early 1945, Battleship
leapfrogging U.S. forces had advanced as far as Iwo Jima and Okinawa, within
340 miles of mainland Japan, at a great cost to both sides. Battleships On
Okinawa alone, during 82 days of fighting, killed approximately 100,000
Japanese troops.
The Battleship cleaned up and made way at this point, for the U.S. forces to
finally near their position for the next stage of their offensive against the Empire
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Andrew Beckwith Peter, here is my request. PROVE it that battleships are

obsolete. Prove it. Do not cite the historical record. Thank you if you can do it. I
want to see a threat analysis done. Andrew
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Craig Chemaly How is it possible that battleships are obsolete? How can
raining mobile hell down on almost any spot on earth via multiple delivery
systems be obsolete?
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Christopher Whalen, CAMS Peter, I disagree with you. Each type of ship
carries out a specific or set of functions with regard to naval warfare. The aircraft
carrier is important for providing air and command and control. The battleship
provides naval gunfire or fire support to ground troops. Destroyers and destroyer
escorts provide security for the larger ships (and so on). Saying that a particular
ship or capability is the sole reason for success is simplistic. Tom is correct that
battleships are still valuable. The point he has been making is that the functions
of the battleship have been ignored due to the type of warfare that has been
underway over the past 15 years. Since we are now "pivoting" and responding
to increased tension with Russia, the navy and congress should relook naval
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John ( Jandco ) Janderchick Peter, I disagree also we need these

Battleships up and running with new weapons on board she will be a great help
out in the world....you see a ship that size coming at you ..you get the hell out of
the way fast....
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Andrew Beckwith Peter, the fact is, that a battleship can have cruise

missiles and other weapons platforms and be MUCH harder to sink than a

Zumault. If you look askance at a battleship , how is it that battle ships survived
the 1945 Okinowa Typhoon, with 40 foot ocean swells on the surface and high
winds, when a Zumault , costing 30 times as much to activate would sink in 8
foot swells ? IMO your supposition does not make any sense. Please attempt
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Here's How they Fit Today....real Simple:
A Kayak is a Big Target Today.....So when the Shit Rains Down on you, What Do
you want to be on? A Battleship with Longer Survivability or a Carrier or any ship
in US Fleet with Vaporizability?.....Today with Burnable Wooden Zumwalts, and
Aluminum Littoral Combat Ships, they have ZERO CHANCE....One Light weight
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Admiral Rickover, the father of nuclear

navy, had to answer the question before the U.S. Senate: With out a
Battleship to protect our Carriers How long would our aircraft carriers survive in
a battle against the Russian Navy? His response caused disillusionment: They
would be disabled almost immediately from Combat , maybe if very lucky Two or
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Andrew Beckwith Thomas is right. One well placed 5 inch shell from a
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Obsolete after WW II? Huh? North Korea,
Vietnam, Persian gulf Huh? Forcible Entry. Because of her remarkable ability to
absorb punishment, and to dish it out, the battleship is widely believed to be
ideally suited for supporting amphibious landings. The New Jersey showed what
her nine 16-inch guns could do in 1969 when she nosed up to a small, heavily
fortified island off North Vietnam. The enemy soldiers were allowed to escape
unharmed. Then the dreadnought opened fire. A newspaper headline later told
the result: ''The New Jersey Sinks an Island.'' Show less
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Naval strength is measured in terms of

the number of available offensive platforms - ships that mount weapons capable
of taking war to the enemy. In 1982, after launching the nuclear-powered aircraft
carrier Vinson, the Navy had 13 such surface platforms - the 13 aircraft carriers.
But the aircraft carrier is a thin bred line Heavy maintenance thoroughbred; for
every carrier in deployment there are two others back home being overhauled
or resupplied or having their pilots and crew brought up to peak performance
levels. Thus, in practical terms, at any one time only four or five aircraft carriers
were spread around the globe ready for action. The four Iowa-class battleships
were transformed into major offensive platforms by being fitted with Tomahawk
cruise missiles. The Tomahawks look like flying torpedoes with stubby wings;
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Andrew Beckwith Peter, it so happens that a battleship can anchor within
20 miles of a beach for an invasion force and shoot inland. Done all the way up
through the 1980s. I.e. you try that with a carrier and the carrier will be SUNK
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB The return of the battleships thus

increased the Navy's number of offensive platforms from 13 to 17, but the
practical impact was even greater. Battleships are workhorses and require fewer
overhauls than carriers. Since only two of the four battleships needed to be back
home at any one time, the Navy was able to increase the number of forwarddeployed major offensive platforms from four or five to six or seven. By 1986,
each of the battleships had become the nucleus for a so-called surface-action
group whose power was greater to that of a carrier group. In a Classified 4 Battle
Exercises in 1987 with Carrier versus Battleship, the Battleship Battle Group
DESTROYED the Carrier Strike Group. 4 out of 4 Different Models the Carrier
Groups went down. the Exercises were Classified in Fear of the Russian building
even more Battlecrusier KIROV's . It worked, and the US avoided a Battleship
Arms Race. It was Declassified in 2005 With Russia and China Being our Best
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Started with DNA, My Dad was WW II

Commander on Iowa and then WisKey, I know them inside out, I also know what
kind of damage they can take equivalent to 32 Feet of Reinforced Rebar Bunker
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB I know their Mark 8 Mechanical Servo's

are far superior to digital of Today, I know the Ship would not get stranded due
to EMP, I know the true run costs and they are a penny on the dollar compared
to a Carrier, I know of the Defense Contractor Scheme to Throw disinformation
mud on them so they can open up a $$ Waste Land for themselves. I know these
ships could sail for 300 years structurally , that's how well built they are, I know
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Andrew Beckwith So, Thomas, is this due to the battleship not sucking in
mega billion bucks for maintainance ? I think this has something to do with it.
I.e. the Carrier and the Zumault are pigs as far as $$$ for support whereas the
Battleship is cheap, comparatively to operate
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Well Let's Discuss that Cost

thingy....1600Crew/ BB Fuel Cost Largest cost of any Ship is Fuel...$100 Million
Per year today's costs....The Carrier5000/Crew with 3,500 Support Sailors, $7
Billion for First Reactor Charge, which lasts 13 years, after that, by Law, the
Carrier Goes Down For 7 Years for A new Nuclear Refueling and $7 Billion Dollars
if not more by then. So you amortized Costs while afloat (Where the Value is not
on Dry Dock with 8500 Crew Hanging around) We are somewhere between $500
million and 1.4 Billion Per Year Fuel Only, Not Counting the Support Ships
Hanging Around....This is why we have an WATER UP TIME ATTAINMENT OF 11
Carriers and 2.7 on Water....YOU are Paying for a Mansion and But You are living
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB I often encounter an American Only

Phenomena when performing cross analysis arguments, where the American

always say, Yeah will just blow that Big Target out the water...Yeah...that's what
we'll do...Never thinking that the Enemy is going right for your BIG ASS RAZOR
THIN HULLED CARRIER...For Some reason we have painted a very sick illusion
we are infallible, the only reason why we haven't seen it, it's because we shy
away from Enemy Country's Forcing Us around....Our Ships Look "ToyLike" with
Stealth Shield Slathered all over, there is no intimidation, and when it comes to
stealth, Quantum Radar, and Laser Paint Satellites take Composition and
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB So a 600 Foot Zumwalt Made From Balsa

Wood And Glue looks just as good as a 887 Foot Super Armored Battleship with
18 Inches of Class Grade Amor Class Forged Steel, the LCS, Nearly 500 Feet, a
Kayak, 5 Feet, all now Capable, so you can be big and you can be small, it's now
all the Same, it's ALL ABOUT SURVIVABILITY, and Aircraft Carrier are the Biggest
Flaming Gas Garages ever made on earth, and are not protected. Iran just
demonstrated they can penetrate the carriers Electronics as it Droned right over
the Carrier in Gulf. Had it been loaded with an Exocet, it would be sunk today, a
Battleship, it would literally Bounce off. I have data to prove these
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Bella SG Well, for those that mention that the Battleship became absolete in
1941, I guess that is why Reagan/ Lehman re- commission them in 1980s . I
guess they had no vision and had no clue of what they were doing. After all,
they are just two of the best of the best the US ever had, but what did they
know, LOL?
For those that do not believe in the Battleships I guess they believe in the "
state of the art F " Zumwalts and LCSs. Oops... I forgot to mention that thanks to
Mr. Snowden, the Zummies can be hacked and after billions wasted the little
"state of the art" pieces of junk are absolete. Oh and the LCSs... I guess they
don't know they deteriorate and need maintenance and fixing every other day.
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Bella SG And then there is the safety factor for our men, and while it takes 3
hours to sink a Zummie / LCS, it takes 3 days for a Battleship to go down. Well, 3
days gives time to survive ... 3 hours gives you time to pray and I got to tell you
gentlemen... money is just that... money, but for those that have their sons and
husbands putting their lives on the line for the country, somehow I 'd rather
have them on a Battleship. You can always make more money and raise taxes,
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John ( Jandco ) Janderchick What happen to Peter ?? Is he still on

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Andrew Beckwith good riddance if Peter leaves.

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Bella SG And for those that defend the carrier , I guess they need to see the

tragedy that happened in 1987 when an Iraqi jet aircraft, fired missiles at the
American frigate USS Stark (FFG-31) and how fast thirty-seven United States
Navy personnel were killed and twenty-one were wounded.
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB Some have said over the years that

post-Soviet Russia was only relevant on account of its nuclear arsenal. This was
merely an excuse to ignore it in favor of other things as we met the supposed
End of History. The fact is, Russia is, well, Russia and as long as people call that
territory home, those people will have certain interests that are not going away.
This weeks discussions have certainly not provided all the answers on Russian
resurgence, though we hope to have offered a meaningful contribution; but to
ignore the discussion and downplay Russia as a relic of the Cold War is folly.
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Thomas J. Miller, CLM, CSSMBB .......And closing out the week a graphic
depiction of the Soviet fleet of 1990 was compared with the Russian fleet of
2015, researched and designed by Louis Martin-Vezian. The scale of the work
ahead Russia intends to reach the maritime heights of 25 years ago or bigger is
becoming alarmingly clear.
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Agha A Simple fact that German industry and Japan industry simply could not
compete with allies in second world war in naval production. US and Britain won
because of overwhelming odds. Today it is not like that.

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Agha A In aircraft carriers I do agree with Mr Peter Crittenden