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Biography
Gerhard Ziegler was born in
1939, and has been working
in the area of power system
protection with Siemens
AG in Erlangen/Nuremberg,
Germany for a period of 35
years.
He was active on a world-wide
basis in the areas of product
support, application and
project planning, marketing
and sales. He retired in 2002,
but continues to work as a
consultant.
G. Ziegler has published
numerous national and
international contributions
in the area of power system
protection.
He served for many years in
International organizations.
From 1993 to 2001 he was
the German delegate to the
IEC TC95 (measuring relays
and protection equipment). He
is past chairman of the Study
Committee 34 (protection and
local control) and Honorary
Member of CIGRE. .
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of factories in the region (Erlangen/Nuremberg). SIEMENS,
an active world-wide company, offered a variety of attractive
the guru
jobs with a life time secure income and pension.
PAC World: Where did you study? Did you study pro-
tection while in the university?
G.Z: I studied at the technical University in Munich with
emphasis on power engineering, at the time called “Heavy
Current Technique”. The relaying subject was not really
treated. We got only some information about the basic
protection principles, and a demonstration panel with some
black box relays existed.
Gerhard Ziegler
PAC World: Did you have any other interests while
studying in the university?
G.Z: I think, besides sports, there is no other activity worth
mentioning. My aim was to pass the university time as
fast as possible and to get a job because my mother as a
widow could not give me much financial support. I had to
concentrate on the studies to pass tests to get the state grant
for needy students.
PAC World: Where and how did you start your career?
G.Z: Right after the university, I joined SIEMENS in a
trainee program which allowed me to work three years in
three different areas. I began with the calculation of electrical
machines, worked then in the test field for large generators
and finished the trainee program with the development of
thyristor based motor control. This time was very interesting
because I could work at innovative projects: computer based
motor design and simulation, water cooling of generators specification, control of development and application
and the application of thyristors - all new at the time. support. This was the most stressful part of my career. We
PAC World: What made you change your focus on had extended our business to overseas markets considerably
power system protection? and had to handle a large number of big projects.
G.Z: This was not intentional. At the end of my trainee The new numerical relay range which was launched in 1985
program I wanted to go back to the SIEMENS motor factory was a great success, but needed a lot of technical support
in Nuremberg, because it was located not far from my home in the start-up phase until sufficient experience had been
and I wanted to work in the field of electrical machines. gained with this new technology. In this phase, I was also
There was no suitable position for me at this time, so the heavily engaged in information and training of users about
head of the trainee department recommended that I work in the new numerical relay technology.
the protection department. This department had a machine In 1990, I took over the task of marketing, consulting and
protection group and I could occupy myself there with my strategic planning with a smaller group of experts. I travelled
favorite subject until a suitable position would be found. a lot world-wide during this time, wrote many papers and
This was my first contact with protective relaying and the was present at numerous conferences. Further, I was active in
start of a 35 year career in this field. I declined a later offer the IEC and CIGRE. In 2002, I retired after a very interesting
from the motor factory which I never regretted. career in protective relaying which lasted for 35 years and
PAC World: You spent your whole career with a single covered the three stages of electro-mechanical, solid-state
company? What was your role during the different and numerical technology.
stages of your career? PAC World: How do you compare the transition from
G.Z: Spending the whole work life in one company was electromechanical to solid-state relays with the transi-
quite normal in Germany for people of my generation. The tion to microprocessor based relays?
positions were normally filled by people from within the G.Z: The transition from electromechanical to solid-state
company and you could make a career without job hopping. relays took a longer time. Some utilities even did not accept
I started as project engineer in the machine protection group. this technology and went directly to digital relays.
I think, about three years later I changed to the network The reason is probably that there was no price advantage and
protection group. I was then responsible for sales support and the technical progress was not so obvious, in particular for
project management in part of Germany and Central/South simple relays in the distribution range. Solid state relays also
America. In 1978, I became the leader of a newly organized had some drawbacks - the aging of components (capacitors)
technical protection department. Our tasks included product causes a drift of the operating characteristics which makes
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PAC World: How did you share your knowledge and
experience? Did you write papers or books, or did you
the guru
directly teach your younger colleagues?
G.Z: I wrote many papers and delivered contributions to
conferences world-wide. I have also published two books:
“Numerical Distance protection” and “Numerical Differential
Protection”. I am further active as a lecturer at the Siemens
Power Academy in Nuremberg. I have always been in contact
with young people in our company or at universities. I like
it. They have learned from my relaying and power system
experience and I have benefitted from their better knowledge
Gerhard Ziegler
about modern digital processing and communication. I think
that experienced “old hands” and young ambitious engineers
can build a strong team.
PAC World: Do you still participate in conferences? Do
you still present papers?
G.Z: I participated in conferences worldwide. I was less
engaged in the IEEE work as this was always handled
by local SIEMENS people. During my CIGRE SC34
chairmanship I was several times invited as key note speaker.
I still contribute as coauthor to papers, but I no longer visit
conferences or write papers myself. I think it’s time to leave
that stage to the young people.
Making a wish turning the ring of the 'Beautiful fountain' PAC World: What do you think about the changes in
technology that we use for protection today and when
you started? Making a wish:
transposed lines. Do you think it is time to use relays G.Z: When I joined the relaying department of SIEMENS in
working in the phase domain on untransposed lines? 1968, electromechanical relays were still the current practice. The “Beautiful
G.Z: This was considered in the past, in particular for the The solid-state technology was at its beginnings. The new
fault locator function. The many more parameters would solid-state relays were designed as open racks for cubicle fountain" is
however make the relay setting and testing much more mounting with draw-out modules, which was causing a lot
complicated. Considering that the error caused by the of work. The wiring and testing in the workshops was time located in the
non-transposition is only in the range of 5 to 7 %, the phase consuming, and the interference and high voltage testing
domain solution seems not to be justified. The correction of were always critical. The setting of the electromechanical main marketplace
the fault locator result could be made off-line. and solid-state relays was comparably simple as only a few
PAC World: When and how did you get involved in plugs and bridges had to be positioned. The commissioning of Nuremberg,
CIGRE activities? however was time consuming as many meters had to be
G.Z: I started as a working group member in the 1970's. connected and the finding of wiring errors was difficult. where people can
The first group I took part in was on “Coordination of The situation has now completely changed with the digital
solid-state relays and conventional instrument transformers”. technology. The drawing and wiring work has been widely make a wish to
The convener was Michel Chamia, the later chairman of replaced by system configuration and parameterization at the
CIGRE. I learned a lot about the transient behavior of CTs PC. Relay setting is done menu-guide with a relay operating come true.
and CVTs from the experts Korponay (BBC) and Gertsch program at the laptop. The commissioning is simplified
(Micafil). I remember well the final discussion of the WG because all voltage and currents are measured and indicated Gerhard Ziegler
report at the CIGRE, SC34 Colloquium in Melbourne, 1979, by the relay itself. The connection of external meters is no
where the US delegates had to defend their 5A CT standard more necessary. Fault analysis is now also much easier by turned the ring
against the 1A practice of the rest of the world. evaluation of the fault record with powerful programs.
PAC World: What do you think is the importance of be- PAC World: What do you think of the impact of IEC three times,
ing involved in CIGRE working groups? 61850 on the future of protection?
G.Z: The advantages are manifold. You learn about the G.Z: So far the impact on protection only concerned the 360 degrees,
practice in other countries and you can share the knowledge communication interfaces. A more dramatic impact would
with experts for utilities and manufacturers. The personal mean the introduction of the process bus as the measurement wishing success
contacts with experts are helpful beyond the WG activity functions would be directly concerned and the transmission
and also are valid for the concerned companies. For young of sampled measuring data on the bus is very complex. I am for all people in
engineers it is a chance to improve their language and no longer involved in detail in this theme so that I cannot
communication skills. give any reliable comment. protection.
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