Zero Limits Seminar 1 CD 4 of 6 PDF

Zero Limits Retreat: Audio 4
Jan. 19 – 21, 2007
Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len
Dr. Hew Len: Any other questions about any of the tools? [Pause] Yes?
Male: On the jet lag, do you do the cycles...can you...say, if you are on a three hour
flight, do you do it three times in a row or do you do it each hour?
Dr. Hew Len: I would do it somewhere on each hour. I would begin it...if I knew I was going
to fly...like I am going to be leaving on Monday, I am already doing my
breathing. So, what does that mean? Will I get home without any...? Oh, no! It
means if doo doo comes up, I go, “Oh, okay. I get to breathe again.” As
opposed to, “Oh, no! I did my breathing! How come?”
Audience: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. “Come on, God! Give me a break!”
Dr. Hew Len: “I did my breathing!”
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Dr. Hew Len: The Universe is JUST LAUGHING!
Dr. Hew Len: Like Joe was saying, when something comes up, it’s an opportunity! You get
to breathe again. You get to eat a little more cornmeal. You get to think,
“Really? It’s opportunity,” as opposed to...she puts her hand up, she pushes
and I push. It’s called resistance!
Female: Uh-huh.
Dr. Hew Len: Resist not! Let go! So it falls into nothingness. That’s what we are up against.
We are only up against our stuff. We are resisting our stuff. So eating the corn
and doing all of this is about letting go! So when it comes up you go, “Oops, I
get to let that go! Oops!” You get better and better, you do it more and more
often, and then as you do it.... then there’s a part of you...tomorrow I am going
to go over this...tell you how you can have that subconscious help you with
the cleaning.

I see bubbling now, so...anybody want to bubble up so I can...you can ask the
question? How about on this side? [Pause] Bubble, bubble, bubble! There you
go!
Woman: I don’t know if this is a question, but I work a lot with Hispanics and I grew
up in Mexico.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
Woman: I have been SO TOUCHED by how SWEET they are and how much they love
their families. I mean, when they have a family reunion, it’s a hundred people
or more.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Woman: They grew up...most of us worked the ranch growing up...they didn’t go to
school. They used to live with their families on ranches in Mexico and they
ate corn.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Woman: Now, that’s a JUMP for me, but it’s like I am wondering [chuckling]...well,
granted it was really more than just corn, but they really lived on corn!

Dr. Hew Len: Yep!
Dr. Hew Len: Sometimes you’ll have a tradition, you don’t even know WHY you do it, but
you do it, but it is so powerful...so powerful!
Woman: Yeah, they’ve been an inspiration.
Dr. Hew Len: You have to realize that these folks, today’s Hispanics, have a LONG history.
They go back to the Aztec, to the Incas, you talk about a KNOWINGNESS!
But somewhere along the line, something caved and stopped that. It CUT that
light off. So, by you really doing it, you are actually re-establishing that,
because in the Eye of The Divinity, there are no Hispanics, no Blacks, no
Hawaiians like me, only Zero. So, by your willingness to do...to be 100%
responsible, you are going to help every family move. I mean, you can not
believe the tumultuous movement once everybody is willing to be 100%
responsible. Incredible!!! Yes?
Female: What was the name of the Indian tribe that reached the Apex?

Dr. Hew Len: I am not sure about that. As you are talking, I am hearing somewhere around
Wisconsin, it just came up, but I am not sure. I don’t know what kinds of...I
know it when I meditated years ago, that’s what the Eye was saying...The
Divinity was saying that ONE of the Indian tribes hit the Apex. So one of the
things that they could do is a LONG time ago, there used to be this
TREMENDOUS redwood forest across our country. One of the things that
they would do to connect is in their mind is, they would mentally walk into a
Redwood tree, and UP they go. That is how they would go. That’s how they
would make the connection. Yeah. We do it the hard way. We plod.
[Chuckling]
You know, “How come? Why? Why do I have to...”
David: Didn’t the Kahunas have that ability?
Dr. Hew Len: Yes! The Kahunas had that ability. Particularly the Kahunas...not so much as
the Kahunas today, David, but the Kahunas that came from Lemuria. Now, the
problem with the Kahunas that came from Lemuria is what happens to most
humans, and that is...it GOES TO THEIR HEAD!!! Do you know what I am
talking about? What am I talking about?
Audience: Ego. The ego. Memories!

Dr. Hew Len: Can you tell me what an ego is? You know, I am a psychologist by trade, but
I’ve never seen an ego before.
Audience: [chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Female: Memories?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So what happens is this memory kicked in saying, “I am God.” But it
was ALWAYS there.
So you are always having to watch, to make sure that you are cleaning,
because THAT’S going to come up and say, “I AM the person WHO did it!”
Boy, that thing will go, WOMP! It’ll take you down like nobody’s business.
So, I really…when I talk to people, I want people to be clear, I don’t DO
anything.
I am just asking the “Z” up here, “I am having a problem. Something has
come up. I am saying, ‘I am sorry. Please forgive me.’”

You’ve been doing all of the cleaning and let The Divinity do, because I don’t
know what’s going on.
But, incredible what they could do, David. They could, in fact, transport with
their mind anywhere in the Cosmos, ANYWHERE!! It was dangerous! What
happened is they gave it to a few people who misused it and the WHOLE
thing collapsed! That’s why Hawaii has had a huge rift, because everything
just collapsed and that’s what will happen to us if we get too big for our pants.
It’ll collapse.
Woman: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Our pants will fall! [Chuckling] Anybody else? Yes? WOW!!! I am
IMPRESSED!! OKAY!!! [Laughing]
Audience: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: All right, from way back in the corner!
Male: When you drew a square in the breathing exercise, you just briefly mentioned
the four corners of The Universe.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

Male: Was there anything relevant in there that you may have glossed over? Is there
anything meaningful there that you should tell everybody?
Dr. Hew Len: Well, what happens is the Four Corners represent the endless beginnings. The
reason that I have to put something on the board is because people can SEE it!
But, when you are doing the breathing it is endless beginnings...nothing
without end! But I have to draw something, otherwise the Intellect will go,
“Huh?”
Male: Well, my Intellect is asking, “What?”
Dr. Hew Len: [Loud laughing] Yeah, yeah. That’s what I mean. See? Thank you very much.
Female: As we go through our days, we’ve learned this from you today and I don’t
know if this is a fair statement, but most people that we are going to encounter
will NOT know about this and what...?
Woman: True.
Female: I understand that it’s all about me. Right? So, my goal is to clean me and the
people that I am interacting with. There is a benefit for them, too, from what I

have learned today. Is there a benefit for me to teach this to other people that I
encounter? No.
Dr. Hew Len: No. Why would you want to teach it if you are the problem? [Pause]
Female: So...only if I am inspired to do that.
Dr. Hew Len: AH!!!!
Female: Only if I am Inspired to do that.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, yeah, and you have to be REALLY CAREFUL, because if you teach
some things to somebody that is not READY for it, it’ll come back and
SLAM you in the way that you would not want.
Female: Okay.
Dr. Hew Len: Like, for example, how does burning down...I mean, I am not trying to be
threatening, but it’s incredible what will come back and slam you. Whatever
you put out will come back and get you. If its GOOD stuff, it’ll double back to
you again, but if it’s [pause]...oh, yeah.

We want you to get away from this notion that you are here to SAVE people!
This is why when I do a Foundation class, which is DIFFERNET from doing
this, this is another...this is a different way of coming at it, but when we do the
foundation training, we have people SIGN an agreement that says that they
won’t teach this. The REASON why I have to tell them that is because it’s
only about YOU...and people don’t get that!
We keep seeking we are here to save somebody else’s butt. We CAN’T! We
can’t even save OURS!
Like Hamlet says in Shakespeare, “How can you know somebody else when
you don’t even know yourself?”
But now, as you are doing whatever you are doing and you are Inspired to do
it, I mean, I would do it. But you ought to do this about it being inspired, as
opposed to people needing it, which is where we come from. This is why
when I worked at Hawaii State Hospital, I NEVER taught anybody unless
they ASKED!!
One day I came into the building and they had had a ruckus. This was when I
FIRST STARTED. So, as I was coming in I could hear this yelling and
screaming, then I began the cleaning. I’d already DONE the cleaning at home,

but NOW, this is new stuff coming so I am cleaning, cleaning. As I entered
the WARD, it got quieter, more quieter, and more quieter and then what
happened was somebody had picked up a chair and hit one of the staff. I could
hear in my mind, really, I could hear another staff said, “Oh, he deserved it!”
Yeah!
So, in the END, what I REALLY had to work on was not all so much on
patients, but staff. STAFF!!! If we could get them to CALM DOWN, BE
themselves, the patients would just heal on their own.
So, a friend of mine, I was talking to her on the telephone, because I wanted to
check out something with her. A friend of mine was saying she was...she was
watching this program and I don’t know…it was something about a dog
whisperer or something like that, an animal whisperer.
She said, “Do you know what I heard this guy say? He said, ‘If an animal is
having problems, I say to the owner, what’s going on with you?’”
Audience: Um!
Dr. Hew Len: Wow! He got it!!
David: That’s pretty good!

Female: Yeah!
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
“What’s going on in YOU that this dog should be sick?”
So, when these people from Africa come up and they then were concerned
about their son, I was asking myself that question, “What’s going on in ME
that this is occurring?”
Not, “What’s their problem?”
Everybody is PERFECT! It’s just the DATA that’s imperfect. Anybody else,
before we bring JOE VITALE up?
Dr. Hew Len: One.
Male: Going once.
Dr. Hew Len: [Chuckling] Any?

Joe: I have a question.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah?
Joe: Well, I do! You talked about the...if I got this right, that when somebody dies
if they still have an alive memory in them, that memory or that spirit is stuck
wherever their passage was, like in an Emergency Room. My imagination
was… EVERY SINGLE person who dies, has that. Is that correct?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So, if you are looking at [Paper turning]...so, if the person...so, let this
be the person in which she and I were discussing where the mama was taking
the stuff to the grave all of...yeah.
So now, this person...if there is a MEMORY there when this person passes,
this will go, but that person will get left behind. But, now, let’s say you are
willing to stay with that and you are cleaning...as SOON as that memory
leaves, when that person goes, all of it goes! But, otherwise, that memory will
ANCHOR the person and the person can’t go!

Joe: But the image I have is that there must be an OVERWHELMING amount of
MEMORIES from that experience alone that are out there.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, MOUNTANOUS!!!
Joe: Thank you for bringing it up!
Dr. Hew Len: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: No, what happens though, Joe, so you have this mountainous memory, but if
you do your cleaning of that memory, that’s just ONE sunlight that will come
through and that person can go home. That’s what you are looking for. You
are looking for an opening in which that person can go, but you’ve got to get
rid of that memory. As soon as that memory goes, [Clap] it opens up and that
person goes.
So this is what I work on a lot and it’s part of why I am here, is that people
will call me, “Mama’s sick, Papa’s sick, somebody is sick,” and so I do the
cleaning and I watch with them and counsel it and then, see.

In fact, just today, a good friend of mine’s son-in-law’s father...the father of
the son-in-law had just passed. So that’s why I was out there on the
porch...cleaning with that.
Kulavi: Dr. Hew Len?
Dr. Hew Len: Yes?
Kulavi: Just a little something to share because it is the memory that is coming up in
me is that A LOT OF YOU don’t BELIEVE that you could do this. My father
died last week and it was a WONDERFUL thing. It was SO wonderful that
my MOM looked like ten years younger instantly! She was smiling and happy
and she came running over to see us. It was SO GREAT!! It was just because
we were cleaning and so that he could just go! That was just little me! Right?
I just want to say one more thing. In that whole vain of what I just...it keeps
coming up, if you just don’t BELIEVE that you could DO IT and you just
have to watch back here. It’s just so beautiful back here. This guy, I don’t
know WHO HE IS, but he is HUGE!! You have to see this little teenie babie
that’s no bigger than this bag of chips, controlling his ENTIRE LIFE!! (She’s
referring to Andy Grant holding his 3 month old baby girl that attended the
Zero Limits Retreat).

Kulavi: It’s WONDERFUL and THAT’S YOU! Right? That’s what YOU can DO!!
You are just that little baby that could just do it all. That’s all.
Dr. Hew Len: Can you SHARE with them, since you are courageous now. Can you folks
share with them what...that experience that you had with the clients that you
had that usually went off where that plane went down? Would you be willing
to do that?
Kulavi: We....
Dr. Hew Len: Can you STAND UP so that they can see you and we can do our cleaning?
Yeah.
Kulavi: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: This is Kulavi.
Kulavi: I am Kulavi.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

Kulavi: Here I am. We own a business in Boston on Hickory Street and we told this
story at Joe Vitale’s thing last year. We deal with a type of clientele that’s
INCREDIBLY wealthy. A lot of them, for some reason or another would have
been in those...either in the buildings or on the planes at 9-11. Like, for
example, we have a client that took that Tuesday flight every single Tuesday,
had a zillion frequent flyer miles. It’s just what he did and that morning his
secretary broke the window.
We had clients that were supposed to be in that building, but the car service
didn’t pick them up or whatever it was. However it turned out is that anybody
that was connected with our business wasn’t there on....
Dr. Hew Len: How many of those would you say?
Kulavi: I think it was seventeen or nineteen.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. [Pause]
Seventeen or nineteen people would have gone and crashed or would have
been down in the building. So, thank you, Kulavi.
Kulavi: Yeah.

Dr. Hew Len: So, Om, can you tell us what you folks particularly DID that she’s talking
about? Can you stand up so that we can see you, please? This is Om.
Om: Hi, guys.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Om: Prior to that, I ordered a bunch...will you be speaking about this? A bunch of
CEEPORT cards, they’ll probably discuss that tomorrow. I had a bunch of
them, you know, they came in the mail. I took the cards and I said, “Okay, this
is great, they came today.” I put them down on my desk and went home...went
home for the day.
The next day I came in, I unlocked my office door, came in and went, “Where
are the cards? Where are the cards?”
I had no idea where the cards went! As all the things transpired, 9-11
happened and everybody’s running into our business.
Kulavi: Everybody came to work.
Om: Everybody CAME INTO the business!

Kulavi: Into the city.
Om: Just to sit there and sit in the studio. So, everyone is running around and, you
know, obviously she has that shared memory. So, about a day or two later, I
went to look for the cards. I thought they were somewhere and they were
gone. It was the exact number of cards that I ordered, was the exact number of
people that did not die!
Woman: Ah!
Om: I NEVER saw the cards again.
We can put all the MAGICAL things to say, “Oo, they evaporated.”
I have NO IDEA where they went! Never found them. But, the CLIENTS, the
clients never knew! Our clients DO NOT KNOW we do this stuff. They have
NO IDEA about that.
Kulavi: No idea.
Om: They have no idea. They have no idea that we are in Austin. They have no
idea...we just DO this. So, it’s not like we put this power of suggestion on

anybody, or have these magical cards and we are all protected. They knew
nothing about it!
So, when they came in and they’d tell us their stories and we’d do this. Well,
we try our best, not to go, “Uh-huh!”
Om: We just sit there and they ALL go on their way and they all go home, and the
other guy and I will do this, “That was pretty good, wasn’t it?”
Om: But, no, that’s exactly what happened!
Dr. Hew Len: Tell us a little bit...give us kind of a short...of each one of them. Like, what do
they do, investment, banker, what are they?
Om: Oh! Some of them own the credit cards in your pocket, you
know...everything...you name it!
Kulavi: They own all the malls that you go into.

Om: Yeah! They own the malls. They own credit cards. Yes. Do they own...???
Yes, they own it.
Kulavi: Yes, they do.
Om: Financial services, everything from financial services....
Dr. Hew Len: Now, I want to make a point to you. This is SO important! Even with ALL of
your money, this could NOT have been prevented. You would have gone
down in an airplane. You would have died, without them doing their cleaning.
That’s the power of this cleaning! In other words, your money won’t do,
excuse my language, doo doo for you! It WON’T prevent you from having a
cancer...but the CLEANING!!! If you are willing...somebody, so they are
fortunate to be doing business with THESE folks, because theses folks
CLEAN. You are talking about billions...hundreds of billions of dollars worth
of people who would have gone, “Pft,” who didn’t do that.
Kulavi: The clients that DON’T DO THAT, they aren’t...because we have this HUGE
range. The BEAUTIFUL thing, too, is that they FIND what they are supposed
to do. You know when you run into life, you go into the sandwich store and
the guy who LOVES making the sandwich gives you the BEST sandwich
ever? That’s SO GREAT, like what they’re adding, what they add to your life

when they have made the best sandwich and you get that best sandwich, that’s
what happens!
Like we have people that were in financial services and now they are running
wineries or they are.... that used to freak me out, because I’d be like, “Okay, I
am doing this cleaning and then they disappear to go do something else,” and
I am losing a client. Then...you know, right?
NOW, okay, they leave and like six more people walk in the door or they
leave and I am all in a tizzy because I want my certain staff member to be a
certain way and if I could just SHUT UP and do this, then that staff member
leaves and then two incredible ones walk in the door! Then, you know what? I
DON’T HAVE TO WORK!! All I am supposed to do is CLEAN!!! Then,
THEY do whatever they are supposed to do. They be whoever they are
supposed to be. They hear from this big mouth of mine whatever they are
supposed to hear. If I could drink the water or breathe or eat corn
chips…which I LOVE!
Kulavi: It’s really very important!

Dr. Hew Len: So, excuse me, like I see my friend Mabel wrote a book, it’s called..... Mabel,
what’s the name of the book?
Mabel: The Easiest Way.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. It can be The Easiest Way when you are Zero, INCREDIBLE things! I
had a woman in...I should say a man...I had a man in Calla Botha who said to
me in the middle [Laughing] of class...there was eighty something people.
He said, “It must be BORING to be at Zero.”
Male: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: You see, obviously she has NEVER been at Zero. Because ONCE you go in
Zero, you have these INCREDIBLE occurrences and that’s what YOU can
do!
When you CLEAN, that’s what it will do for the carpet, the table, the glasses,
the people who SERVE you; they have more ZEST to them when you are
CARING for yourself. The people who SERVE you like the sandwich person,
will be more caring, because YOU are.
Woman: Uh-huh.

Dr. Hew Len: It ALL BEGINS WITH YOU!!!
PEACE BEGINS WITH ME and nowhere else, and you can’t figure it out.
You can’t say, “Well, but if I did this...” No! It’s all bull shit stuff. You are
either IN or you are out.
All of these processes that we are teaching you, like this and the water is to
put you IN, to let it all happen and you can be along for the ride, instead of
being left behind in poverty. The money won’t DO it. You won’t be HAPPY
to have more money. I have a client who probably is the third or fourth richest
person. I mean he OWNS ALL kinds of stuff. So...but, he’s a neat guy
because he doesn’t ask, “How come or why?”
He says, “Okay, here’s what is going on. I’ve got this trip, I’ve got this visit.”
He owns part of the San Francisco giants. He says, “Okay, can we just ask?”
We sit down and we ask. I tell you, he pays us six thousand dollars a month
and we only see him...it’ll be over the telephone half-an-hour, every Tuesday,
because he is getting HIS VALUE’S WORTH!! He’s FINDING OUT how it
REALLY WORKS to be at Zero. It’s INCREDIBLE what he’s done now.

He’s done things in Hawaii that Hawaiians have NEVER done before! In fact,
they MOCK him! Do you know who… when you begin to MOVE with
BRAND NEW IDEAS… you are going to have a reaction?
That’s why I am saying to my friend Vitale over there. This thing is going to
come up! You are going to have a Tsunami! But, you can NOW work on it!
So the fact that you all are coming to do the cleaning for yourself, it will help
this project with Joe! [Pause]
We WANT you to be DOUBTFUL! We get to CLEAN with that!! WE
WANT you to ask a lot of question! We get to clean with that.
So, any questions before we end? Joseph? [Chuckling] Anybody?
Joseph, can you tell us when is the meal?
Joe: The meal is at 6:00 p.m., if I am correct. It’s where we had the dinner last
night in the other building. Let me make a couple of announcements...
Dr. Hew Len: Sure.
Joe: ...since you’ve given me the floor here. So the dinner is at 6:00 p.m. over
there. Also, somebody has a Lincoln, a white Lincoln town car parked real

close to the sidewalk. They can’t wheel in their dollies over here to re-fill the
drinks. So, if whoever is parking there, just back off a little bit.
Also, if you are needing to go to the airport tomorrow, if you’d called a
Shuttle [paper rattling], the Future Shuttle or something like that, if you are
like the rest of us in hotels, we don’t have to call a bunch of them maybe
everybody could go on the same shuttle.
We start tomorrow at 10:00 a.m.
Woman: Thank you.
Dr. Hew Len: Any questions? Somebody had a hand up. Going once! Oh! [Chuckling]
Female: I did.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes?
Female: I just wanted to ask about to when you say, “I love you.” I noticed sometimes
I’ll feel like I am in a place where I love you and the rest doesn’t necessarily
want to come, but it feels clear and then sometimes it comes. So, I was just
curious. Do you...is it something that you have to say in a sequence? No.

Dr. Hew Len: No. [Pause] You know the power of love is ENORMOUS, particularly what
would be helpful to you...as you are talking to me, would be helpful to
everybody if they would pay MUCH MORE ATTENTION to MOTHER
EARTH!! Because they LIVE on Mother Earth!! If Mother Earth goes
haywire, which is what happens when we drill into her, we mine her, nobody
says, “Thank you!”
So, for me, one of the things that I pay attention to is I talk to Mother Earth, “I
love you. If I have offended you in any way, I am really sorry,” particularly at
airports. I mean [chuckling] I TALK to the runway because, boy, I tell
you...CRAZY things happen on runways! So, I am ALWAYS TALKING to
the land, which is what the Indians had.
If you were to look at the Indian culture, not the Hawaiians, but the Indian
culture, the LAND was SO SACRED! We don’t treat the Earth like this! We
drive over it, but we do...I don’t know how many of you... For example, I
LOVE driving in Los Angeles. I mean, 101 is CRAZY!! 405 is CRAZY! But
BEFORE I GET on it, I talk to the highways and I say, “I love you! If you feel
unloved and uncared by any one, I am sorry.” So I DO my talking BEFORE I
get on, because I very seldom drive. I think I have a car that’s almost seven
years old that’s got only thirty thousand miles or something. So, I am always
talking to THOSE parts of us in which people have been REALLY nasty. We

are nasty to highways in Los Angeles.
“It’s too crowded! [Grumbling] ” Well, the poor highway feels unloved and
uncared for!
But if you are WILLING TO TAKE THE TIME to...I just ZIP ALONG. I
don’t know, it’s like something magical happening. I could be crowded, ZIP
along and I mean, the car ITSELF will FIND where to go! I don’t do
anything. I am just in the car, put my hand on the wheel, and the car will do it!
Female: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Yep! As opposed to me trying to figure out where to go, the car will do it on
its own. The car has an identity of its own! So, I always talk to my car.
Before I go I say, “Okay! You are the driver! I just happen to be behind the
wheel so we don’t look goofy!”
Dr. Hew Len: Can you imagine...

Dr. Hew Len: Can you imagine if I had my hands in my pockets and then...? So, off we go!
So, the car knows what it wants to do. It has a knowingness and as long as we
have...the highways see a love and concern and cared for by us, it just
OPENS. I have never had any problems with the highways. Yeah.
So, if you have a block, you say, “I love you. I love you.” [Chuckling] As
opposed to, “Oo, I’m going to be late. Oh, my God!” I mean, it’s letting go.
Because it’s not the highway, right? It’s YOU!! You show up with your stuff.
Okay?
I just want...I just want, before we go I would like to...if you don’t mind, just
close your eyes and we are just going to kind of like be silent for just a few
seconds and just let it ALL come together, just come together VERY
SLOWLY whatever we are carrying, so when we leave it will just kind of slip
away into nothingness.
If you’ve got anything in your mind that you are concerned
about...worry...you just PUT IT UP! Put it up! So, we’ll just take a few
seconds and let it kind of say to it as we LOVE whatever it is, so it will go
willingly and just let it slip into nothingness. Let’s take about a minute to do
this. [Silence & breathing heard].

Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me.
Thank you very much.
Audience: Thank you! [Loud Clapping][Pause]
44.56
Joe: In my forthcoming book, Zero Limits, there is a quote by Dr. Hew Len that
says, “The purpose of life is to be restored back to love, moment-to-moment.
To fulfill this purpose, the individual must acknowledge that he is 100%
responsible for creating his life the way IT IS. He must come to see that it his
thoughts that create his life the way it is, moment-to-moment. The problems
are not people, places, and situations, but rather the thoughts OF them. He
must come to appreciate that there is NO SUCH THING as ‘out there.’”
Good morning!
Audience: Good morning!
Joe: Somebody had a case of FIRST CLASS RAGE yesterday. Who was that
person? This person said that they were willing to talk about it. Are you
willing to talk about it?

Irishman: Sure.
Joe: Would you want to come up here and I’ll hand you the mike? He had NO idea
I was going to call on him.
Female: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Now, you get a chance to CLEAN with this.
Women: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: Because he’s going to talk about, really, what an Irish called a first class rage,
where you literally KILL people. I mean, so...if you have heart problems in
your family, it has to do with what he is going to talk about. If you have
diabetes, if you have back problems, it’s what he is going to talk about. So,
you should be paying attention in terms of cleaning, because you have no idea
what’s going on. You should know that [chuckling] the real problem is that
we don’t know that we don’t know.
You know some of you, sorry about this, you are not going to get this until
you get out there in the world and you get SLAMMED again. It was only self-
inflicted.

I had him...he was talking to me as I went by him and we sort of kind of
chatted and I thought, “Wow! That would be interesting to have him.”
Irishman: One of my missions in this life is to learn how to USE all of my unbelievably
high quality rage WELL, because I seem to have so much of it and it’d be a
shame to waste it. But,.... [Chuckle]
Irishman: ...this morning I woke up at a quarter till two and started all of these EVENTS
in my life of when I’d really been angry and had raged and such. It’s not just
angry. It’s really raging to different people and there are just SO many
instances. I mean, that’s to say to them, “[Inaudible and spoken VERY FAST]
I’ll be someone just for about [Inaudible and spoken VERY FAST]...I won’t
raise my voice TOO MUCH, I will just....” But, that’s just...you know...so this
morning, just ONE after another after another. So I was up since two
cleansing and cleansing and cleansing and it’s AMAZING how when you
cleanse… it’s that OTHER person who shifts in ME! It’s just been an
AWESOME experience this morning.
Then, I was thinking about it and so I ran into the good Dr. Hew Len and I
was telling him a little about my BACKGROUND. My mother and her
mother both were RAGING direct, mother descendant Irish and really, really

raging. My grandmother raged on...my mother’s mother raged on HER… I
know because I was around enough and she was around enough to rage on me
as well.
So, my mother raged on me until she was taken away when I was seven, taken
away crazy. Then, my FATHER’S MOTHER came and she was also one
hundred percent direct mother’s lineage descendant of Irish, FULL of RAGE.
Her rage goes to whatever the excuse was her father, her husband died and da,
da, da. So, SHE RAGED at me from...you know. So, I was VERY GOOD at
doing academics and things and what. I had a career and the career was quite
successful in lots of ways.
My PERSONAL life was a little more ROCKY because of my rage issues
with my mother and my second mother. But the interesting thing about my
PROFESSIONAL life is that I would do these different things, get these teams
together, get them going in good directions, give them a lot of help and of
course they’d do REALLY, REALLY DUMB things.
My typical mistake was expect them to do MORE than they could, give them
MORE resources than they knew how to handle, give them tasks and
opportunities that were BIGGER than they knew how to handle. They
wouldn’t handle it and then I would, of course, be VERY...me and my
partners, but I would certainly LEAD IT. I would very happily LEAD the

charge, being very upset with it RAGING at them. Of course, they would
come around and this is just one of the examples....
(Cell phone ringing in the background).
Dr. Hew Len: Can we STOP for a minute? I want to REMIND you folks that this room is
going to go BUGGY! If you are going to set up any computers, then you
should do that before you come into the room!
Jillian: I apologize. I left this....
Dr. Hew Len: No, no. I don’t want...I don’t need any apology. You don’t need to.... I just
want to REMIND…this room can NOT SUPPORT US if it goes CRAZY!
You are going to get...by the end of this day, if this room goes crazy, you are
going to be PISSED OFF! Really! Stuff is going to come up and HIT THE
FAN!! What we want to do in this room is to make sure that the room
maintains its rhythm. [Pause] So, I am not saying don’t bring anything in, but
you should do it OUTSIDE and THEN bring it in so it doesn’t ring up,
REALLY!! Otherwise, you WON’T GET what you CAME FOR and only
God knows that. But, my responsibility is to KEEP this room STEADY,
TUNED!! So, if you came into Austin airport, one of the things that you’ll
read...they were tuning the place up. Did you read that? Any of you who came

in? [Pause] Yeah, I mean, they were tuning up the airport. This is what we
want to do to this room! Go ahead!
Irishman: So, I want to acknowledge the CLEANSING PROCESS has helped a lot as I
go back to those different TEAMS that I really RAGED ON and start trying to
CLEANSE them. I have a lot more to do, but it is AWESOME to ME how
much ENERGY there is in rage, how much energy I have expended in SO
MANY different places. I LOOK FORWARD to learning how to use all of
that beautiful energy BEAUTIFULLY rather than RAGING AT other people.
But I have...there’s not enough time for me to tell you ALL of the different
times that I have raged at how many different business situations, how many
different persons, how many I...did my CHILDREN. You know, but I have
lots and lots to clean up.
I DEEPLY APPRECIATE the good doctor for helping me have a BETTER
WAY of CLEANING it. I have been through lots of therapy systems, because
I was in a position to do it, so I’ve tried lots and lots of therapy systems and I
am DEEPLY GRATEFUL for being here because THIS WORKS BETTER!
So, I NOW look FORWARD to using my rage energy in a high quality
positive way and boy, do I have a lot of clean up to do, so...a million times.
Thank you all for being here. Thank you all.
Audience: [Clapping]

Dr. Hew Len: Ask if they want to get any questions to him.
Joe: Do you have any kind of questions for him?
Irishman: Yes?
Male: What part of Ireland [inaudible]?
Irishman: One was from...oh, gosh, southwest, that was near Driskoll, and the Grass
were from...I can’t remember. I’m [inaudible]. I don’t know.
Male: Okay.
Dr. Hew Len: I want to tell you, the people from Boston, if the Irish didn’t do whatever they
were UP about, because they REALLY were the ones that saved all of the
scholastic records from the Greeks and the Romans. If the Irish didn’t do that,
Harvard University would not exist! [Pause] So, it’s important to get the Irish
to let go of, you know, stuff! Without the Irish, if you look at the history of
humanity…without the Irish believe it or not… can you imagine the Irish?
YUCK!!!
Joe & others: [Laughing]

Dr. Hew Len: But, without the Irish, you would...the WHOLE SCHOLASTIC history of
humanity would have been lost! They kept all of the records. They did all of
that so that you were able to get that. But without them, it would have been
gone. During the Dark Ages, everything went “bookie.” I mean, it went dark.
It was CRAZY! So, we want to thank the Irish. I would ask him some
questions, because I can hear and I can see the bubbling on that side...you
know.
Joe: Right here.
Dr. Hew Len: Oh, okay.
Female: I want to ask. You said that you woke up in the middle of the night, okay, do
you have any [Inaudible] associated with this or medication?
Irishman: In the past I have, lots, but that’s....
Female: Today, last night.
Irishman: No, no, no. I have done lots! I’ve been working on this twenty-five years
doing all of the body therapies, all of those other things, so I’ve loosened a
LOT of that up in...so it flows a LITTLE more easy.

Female: You didn’t experience any THIS time?
Irishman: No.
Female: It wasn’t cleaned?
Irishman: I could just feel the PURE RAGE ENERGY. I could just feel ME raging at
those other people and I could REALLY FEEL how much that I really had it
and even having it, how much I was REPRESSING IT, even as I was raging
at them. I am literally...I was actually showing it.
Dr. Hew Len: But what he doesn’t realize is that you don’t SEE, and this is why I am saying
that you want to talk to God, is that he’s going to go KAPUT. As he is talking
to me, I am doing my cleaning. I can see all of the dust come off of his heart!
Now, would HE be aware of it? Hell no! He wouldn’t be aware of it!!
Irishman: My family dies...one of the MAJOR WAYS the men in my family is
Congestive Heart Failure, and women, Congestive Heart Failure.
Dr. Hew Len: When you go, you won’t know why!
Irishman: [Chuckling]

Dr. Hew Len: So its better that you can PREVENT it, so that you don’t have these
MASSIVE heart attacks. You don’t use, I mean, so that’s what he was UP to.
So as I watch him, it’s ANCIENT stuff. It goes back thousands and thousands
of years! I would like for you to tell them that. So, what is your ancestral line?
Irishman: Yeah, when I try to understand this...we all go train to back, back, back, and
so when I go in regression stuff, I am DEFINITELY one of the most… of the
ones in the groups that came over and raped and pillaged all over and became
that whole team. Then became the Western Europeans, and the French that
went over and did England again, and I was part of that group. Then, the ones
who came over here and took this land away from the natives, the Native
Americans, I was DEFINITELY a part of all of that. So I have
GENERATIONS!!! When he does the generations back there? [Chchchchch!]
I am ALL of that, all throughout that raging. Yes?
Tim: This has been very helpful to ME. I am not really..I mean it’s through
constantly raging...but, I grew up in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania. My parents and
all were always telling me about how the HISTORY of Irish RAGING on the
Blacks.
Irishman: Yeah.

Tim: This was well known. We talked about moving the gang to New York. In fact,
one of them claims that Irish got jobs plus two, rage and pillage black people
and chase them off of their corn.
Dr. Hew Len: That’s WONDERFUL, Tim!! Do you see how that stuff comes up?
Tim: The Irish [inaudible].
Dr. Hew Len: I mean, it’s GREAT!!
Tim: But, but I WAS involved in what’s REACTIVE RAGE, because me and my
teenage friends would go on pillages into the WHITE community and look for
Irish to beat up.
Audience: Oh!
Tim: Because WE WERE often victimized by the Irish Police, so then we would go
on reactive rages and we would catch Irish people. We would go into THEIR
communities and beat them up. So, it was a CYCLE. I didn’t understand. You
just HELPED me understand a DEEPER MEANING of what we were
reacting to.
Irishman: My family did that real well, and...

Irishman: ...I was raised in the South, originally, first eighteen years in Mississippi, my
family really well. There were parts of it though that WERE good and there
were...the BLACK community was unbelievable, because I didn’t have a
mother. So, the black community was unbelievably good in HELPING RAISE
ME! I can remember the people, Mary Black, was just an UNBELIEVABLE
POWERFUL woman who helped raise me and I have DEEP appreciation for
that. The spiritual breath and depth of that community that could stand in front
of that raging grandmother of mine and still take care of us kids. So....
Tim: Thank you.
Joe: I would like to run what kind of cleansing that you were/are doing. You woke
up at two in the morning and you’ve got all of this rage, did you do what you
learned yesterday with “I love you?”
Irishman: Oh, I got/read The Performer, two of the nights, but I appreciate your part of
it, which is, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me,” and that’s “I am sorry
for forgetting how much you love me, God.” Your part to that that I didn’t
catch when you first said it, that part was UNBELIEVABLY important for me

throughout this whole night of, “I am sorry, God. I forgot how much you love
me. Please forgive me, God, for forgetting how much you love me...”
Joe: Right.
Irishman: ...when I was going through all of this. Then, “Thank you, God, for forgiving
me that.” Then it could transfer to, “Okay and also I apologize to those people
I raged at. But I am doing it with God first,” because it’s ALWAYS the first
important and that was UNBELIEVABLY POWERFUL. I even did the
breathing exercise, at least one round. Light them on! Thank you.
Dr. Hew Len: Now, he’s...he’s REALLY talking about ALL of us, right?
Audience: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: I mean, so it’s WONDERFUL that he comes up...he comes up, because I
TELL you this is what happens in families, in businesses and between
COUNTRIES. This is why here in Austin, this thing with Mexico and this
thing with America, this thing with the blacks, this thing with the whites, this
thing with the Hawaiians, I mean, YOU CAN CLEAN IT UP!!! YOU can

clean it up! [Clap, clap!] So that you are alright, the right people come into
your life, NOT because you attracted them, because God MADE it so! [Pause]
So as I listen, I sit with you during lunches and I am going, “Hello, Hello, it’s
only about God.” You have all of the resources already. This is what
Joe’s...the book is all about. You’ve GOT it! It’s now getting rid of the crutch
so that you can get it, your daily bread. But, it’s HORRENDOUS what we
carry in our souls and that we don’t know. I mean, the HATRED is
horrendous. You want to ask him. Yeah?
Female: You know, I just decided to share this. I am Jewish and had a lot of ancestors
that died in the Holocaust. My mother, lived over in France, and she...they
fled. She was about five and they had called family in Czechoslovakia to see
if they could move there. The family there was like, “No, don’t come here. It’s
bad.” So they left and they went to the West Indies and so there’s a lot... My
Mom… when she was like five would stand in the lines to get food and water
and to get up to the front of the line there would be nothing left. My
grandfather had gone to New York to get work, so it was like there was a lot
of lack. That’s what my mom...when she got a bag of cookies she’d eat the
whole bag because she wanted to make sure that she had something to eat. So
there was a lack. There was slaughter, death, and that’s what that is bringing
up for me right now and I didn’t now how much it really affected me. I wasn’t
THERE, but I have heard about it.

Dr. Hew Len: What you have to, again, be willing to do is take 100% responsibility because
you CAN NOT have a problem unless you came in with it. You CAN NOT
have that problem! The DATA...you BROUGHT IN THE DATA, the
information and if you don’t clean...THAT’S WHY YOU ARE HERE!! God
says, “Hey! I am going to give you one more chance! Come on in!! So you
come on in and you go, Huh?” You are mad, [chuckling] angry, but you are
here to clean it up so you can be God! You can be PEACE! This is a tough
way to go, but it’s only YOU! It’s ONLY in YOU [Clap] and that’s a hard
pitch, because most of the time, you’ll get pissed off. Yes, Bruce?
Bruce: I’m Scots-Irish.
Bruce: My middle name is McLeod and I know something about rage. The family I
married into is a very loving family. Even for people who haven’t really been
exposed to it [rage] in this lifetime, like in buckets, waterfalls…just a drop of
rage is enough to imbalance a LARGE group of people. You don’t have to
have...
Tim: Right.

Bruce: KILLER RAGE...or, to be consumed with it. Just ONE DROP is enough to
make people think that you are yelling at them when you are not, or that you
are a physical threat, or that you mean harm, even if you don’t. I didn’t really
UNDERSTAND the ancestral connection, but my ancestors are from the outer
perimeters and every DAY they had to defend their shores from being…
which the Irish and everybody else had decided they wanted part of Scotland’s
land. So, I suspected that they slept in their battle gear, the kilts, etc. Anyway,
bringing it back to the present, I know from my family, my birth family, that
you didn’t have POWER if you didn’t have rage. I can remember a time in my
life where I had to look for people to be unfair or thoughtless or a little stingy
or just any kind of little minor violations so that I could RELEASE my rage
on them, so that I could POUNCE [clap], so that I could...it’s like I could
CRUSH THEM...
Male: [Coughing]
Bruce: ...and that’s AFFECTED ALL the relationships that I have had my WHOLE
LIFE! One of the things that is very apparent, even before today, is that tribe
wants to banish you when you are like that. You’ll end up dying lonely...alone
and empty because there is nothing. There is no future for rage! I appreciate
LEARNING these new things this weekend Dr. Hew Len and Dr. Joe. I thank
you for standing up for my rage.

Dr. Hew Len: Bruce, can you write that down...that, “There is no future for rage”? You write
that down and if Suzanne would be willing, that would be a GOOD motto for
everybody. Yeah. There is no future for rage.
Male: I do have a curiosity though. Rage, if you get to the PURE ENERGY of
RAGE you can be so constructive to build so many good things. If we could
get to the ENERGY, rather than to the RAGE.
Joe: You had a question over here.
Female: We are talking about RAGE, but when we come in, isn’t there also a counter-
balance of GOODNESS, of APPRECIATION? What about that?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but how can you appreciate something when you don’t know what’s IN
YOU that’s causing all of this? So, let’s say that you show up and he goes into
rage, something in you triggered that. So why not be able to become Zero, so
he won’t be mad!
Female: Oh, ABSOLUTELY! I AGREE! But, I don’t understand why...
Dr. Hew Len: Have you ever noticed that...

Female: ...the goodness overcome the rage? Why wouldn’t he be calm in my
presence...not MINE, but a person’s presence?
Dr. Hew Len: So, let’s ask David that. I am curious. I am watching him. So, I am going to
ask him, “Let’s say she is angry and then you decide to help her NOT be
angry, how successful have you been with that?”
David: Not successful AT ALL!
Female: But he’s not HELPING me, he’s just BEING!!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but what kind of help do you want?
Female: I am not asking for any help. I am just saying that it just happens.
Dr. Hew Len: What just happens?
Female: That a CALMING PRESENCE will...I am asking, “Why wouldn’t a calming
presence...? You are NOT HELPING. It’s just there! It just IS!”
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, so....
Female: A calming presence over...deflates the rage.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, so...but do you ever notice that you are in the presence of rage?
Female: Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: So, how do you help THAT rage?
Female: I DON”T help it.
Dr. Hew Len: I know, but how do you CALM it?
Female: How do I deal with it?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah!
Female: I...I...I maintain my presence.
Dr. Hew Len: WHY is that rage in your presence?
Female: That’s a GOOD question!

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but… so I am SAYING if you come with a button that is going to get
pushed, he is going to get mad. But if you come from Zero to begin with, you
are always at Zero, he CAN’T get mad!!! He CAN’T!!!
It’s SO IMPORTANT for YOU, as a being to be yourself, as God created
you! Perfect...because if you come in perfect, he can not get mad! But if you
come in unknowingly, like the song says, Psalm 19:12, “There are hidden
things that we come into the room with,” and it’s going to TRIGGER [clap]
people! You keep thinking it’s THEM!!! But, if you come in FREE and
CLEAR, WOW!!! You will see God in the presence of that person...God.
I don’t want to handle any more. I want to STAY WITH THIS and I want you
to really clean at it, because YOU ARE...if you would come in as God would
come in, the room would go...would be PERFECT! You CAN’T GRASP
this!! Some of you are trying to have questions. You can’t do it. You can’t
explain it away. It CAN NOT be explained away! You are either Zero [clap]
or you are NOT [clap]!
You try to explain it. The other person will go, “Yeah....”
That’s what therapy is about! Explaining things!!! It doesn’t work, because
the THERAPIST is the one that’s the problem!!

Dr. Hew Len: REALLY!!! Because if the therapist came in Zero, his work would be easy
and he’d get PAID!!! But we NEVER do that!
We keep thinking, “Why is that person like that?”
Well [chuckling], somebody triggered them! Because you weren’t in Zero!!
This is a TOUGH [Clap] way to go, now!
This is why when I worked at Hawaii State Hospital, I mean, I would come in
days the place was JUST CRAZY.
I’d go, “Oh, God.” I thought...here’s my thinking, “Didn’t I clean on that
one?”
Well, the place is STILL crazy, because I was willing to say, “Okay,
something is going on,” and I WORKED only on MYSELF the room would
quiet down.
It only got CRAZY, because I showed UP with stuff! Then, you’ve GOT TO
GET THAT ONE!!! It’s not your boss! It’s not anybody. It’s just a memory.
It’ll trigger hell!

Like somebody said, Bruce said, “All you need is ONE little tad of memory
and the whole room will go crazy!”
You’ll trigger questions all OVER the place as opposed to if you have a
question, you could ERASE it!! You can ERASE it as opposed to having a
question you’d dwell...and it just takes you NOWHERE!!!
So, I WANT you to BE CLEAR, now. It sounds like I am rough, but
NOTHING can happen in your presence if you are zero! NOTHING!!! Only
LOVE can be there!!! If you are not at Zero, hell will break loose. [Pause]
Sorry, Joseph. Where’s my friend, Joseph [chuckling]? He sat down! I am
sorry!
Dr. Hew Len: Thank you!
Joe: Thank you very much!

Joe: Yes, Cindy?
Cindy: We have a lot of vibration going on at this table. I mean, literally, physically
you can feel it...and on the floor. So, Dr. Hew Len, what’s this about?
Dr. Hew Len: Maybe Joe can comment on that.
Joe: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: HE CAN!!
Cindy: I mean is it the vibration of it?
Joe: Do you know what I feel? Is that the room is almost rearranging itself. If you
really look at the Quantum Physics type of thing where they tell you that the
table and the chairs and everything else is just condensed molecules that are
vibrating at a rate that we don’t really see, MY MIND as I am sitting over
there, I SEE IT vibrating. I am SEEING it vibrate. Yesterday I just FELT it
vibrate. Today I am SEEING it vibrate.

Part of it… what is going on, is when he is bold enough to stand up here and
talk about the RAGE and then we have some other people talking about the
rage, there is a lot of energy being released AS WE CLEAN!! I am doing the
cleansing as I am hearing about this, because MY FAMILY goes all the way
back to ancient Rome who tried to conquer the entire planet!
Cindy: [Laughing]
Joe: So, I wasn’t really THINKING about that, but because IT CAME UP, boy I
got all kind of energy going through me. I see this room trying to HEAL us. I
see it ALIVE with energy. Part of it began, even before yesterday morning,
because he and I came here several times before this event ever STARTED to
check out the room to see if the room would allow us to come in. He began
yesterday by talking about the Sacredness of this room.
He spent A LOT OF TIME talking about that, to the extent that I thought,
“Why is he talking SO MUCH about the room?”
Because this ROOM is helping US CLEANSE! Part of the reason that it was
set up to help us cleanse is because of THIS spiritual man who was
responsible for BUILDING it (Joe is referring to the owner of The Vintage
Villas who attended the entire Zero Limits event). HIS ENERGY is IN THIS

and he is VERY MUCH connected to The Divine! So I just think that this
whole room is alive and some of us are feeling it on a physical level.
Some of us are just thinking like, “Wow! I’m feeling the buzz, not knowing
what ELSE might be going on in this room, itself.”
Woman: Hey, Joe?
Joe: Yes?
Woman: What’s the room’s name?
Joe: I don’t know what the room’s name is. I asked him and he said that he didn’t
know. Do you know what the room’s name is at this point?
Dr. Hew Len: It’s SHY!!
Joe: It’s SHY! [Chuckle]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

Joe: The room is shy. [Chuckling] David might know what the room is called.
David: The Travis Room.
Joe: It’s called the Travis Room. Well, he DID call it The Travis Room. So, other
questions...comments? [Pause]
We have a guest speaker which I think is appropriate to bring her up at this
point. Let me introduce her real quick. I LOVE her book. It’s called The
Easiest Way. It was one of my first introductions to Ho’oponopono. When I
first heard about the unusual therapist and I was trying to FIND him, I heard
that there was like ONE little book that was like a kindergarten introduction to
this whole process and it came as close as possible to explaining that you are
100% responsible for everything that is going on.
Mabel Katz IS here. She’s a business consultant, author, speaker, seminar
leader. She’s a shining star in the L.A. Latino community. She has a radio
show on the Spanish language radio station KTNQ 1020 AM in Los Angeles.
She travels around the world where she fascinates large audiences talking
about The Easiest Way. She’s a POWERFUL woman who is all too tempting
to describe as the Latino Marian Williamson.
Audience: Ah! [Chuckling]

Joe: If you can give a big round of applause we will bring her up!
Mabel: Thank you, Joe. Good morning!
Audience: Good morning!
Mabel: It’s great to be here and being able to share with you. Somebody asked me the
other night how long I had been doing Ho’oponopono. I just realized that it’s
been TEN years! So, I was one of those people that used to go a lot of
seminars and thinking when I woke up I wanted to KNOW it ALL. I saw so
much drama.
I am thinking of this because my mother did this to me and my father said that
to me, I said, “There HAS to be an easiest and fastest way.”
I kept looking ‘til I got to Ho’oponopono. I had to take Ho’oponopono a
couple of times, REVIEW...REVIEW it a couple of times to REALLY
REALIZE that THAT’S what I was looking for. Because, this is about no
gurus, you know? You are your own world. You’ve got your own answers.

You can resolve...all the solutions are inside of you. There is nobody out there
that knows MORE than you. For me, it was a discovery because we all look
for freedom, we all look for happiness, but we look in the wrong places and
we ask the wrong questions.
So, I have to tell you HOW I WOKE UP. I was one of those people that
thought that happiness was in the material things so I was in the race, so when
I am going to have THAT house THEN I’ll be happy. I’m going to have that
car....then I’ll be.... When I have THAT husband, THEN I’ll be happy.
Mabel: Then you HAVE all of that and you are NOT happy and you keep looking.
So, I had a lot of rage. Actually I shared that and I played it along with my
older son. One day he talked to me the same way that I used to talk to HIM
and he woke me up.
Actually, I looked at him and his size, I didn’t say anything, but I TOLD
myself, “Mabel, you have to do SOMETHING about it!”
That’s when I started taking all of these seminars and I...I think one of my first
classes was Yoga. At the end of the class, the teacher would tell us to
VISUALIZE something, to imagine that something that we wanted was

already happening. For me, it happened that SAME day, that same afternoon
and that really made me think.
“It could be that we are so powerful that whatever we feel, whatever we
imagine that we can really manifest.” So, that’s how my journey started.
I LOVE this, because I am still an accountant. Now, instead of the RADIO
show, I have a TV show. I share this with the Latino community every day,
Monday through Friday at 6:00 a.m., every morning. I tell them that now they
have a CHOICE to wake up with GOOD NEWS or bad news. The idea is to
realize the POWER we have to CHANGE OUR LIFE without depending on
ANYBODY or anything outside ourselves. Again, realizing that, it gave ME a
lot of freedom. Something…I have so many things to tell you. In ten years, I
have so many anecdotes and things that happened to me and my family. I am
going to pick and choose.
I know Ihaleakala ALWAYS wants me to tell you because I am still working
as an accountant and I practice this with my clients, but especially on tax
audits.

Mabel: I prepare taxes, but I also represent people in tax audits and sometimes I don’t
believe the results that I get. My clients are still waiting for their bills to come
in.
I say, “No, I told you, no change!”
But, you know the secret? The secret is to keep your mouth shut! [Chuckle]
Female: [Laughing]
Mabel: Because, see, our eternity that we talk…if we didn’t talk we didn’t have that
many problems and we are…the problem is that we talk! Especially…we
come from that we think that we KNOW and we don’t know anything!
So, the MOST unbelievable thing is when you get out of your own way
[chuckle]; because, we ARE our worst obstacles in our way! So when you
keep your mouth shut and you are willing to repeat, “Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you! I LOVE you!” or ANY of these tools, it’s AMAZING how people
will transform in front of you. People that you NEVER thought possible will
REACT differently or you never know where it’s going to come from or
WHO it’s going to come from.

I see it in my kids. I have a story…especially for the Latino mother that I was,
the one leaving the house because my husband wanted to stay with the kids.
Now, they are twenty-three and nineteen and, you know, we are best friends!
My oldest son calls me every day to say, “I know you are busy, but I just
wanted to tell you, ‘I love you!’”
So, isn’t that what we want? You know that the best time to talk to our kids is
when they sleep? Because they don’t...the subconscious never sleeps.
So, whenever, you know, “Have fun with so-and-so,” and that works with best
friends, too. [Chuckling]
Mabel: Okay, when they sleep, you are just going to say, “I love you! Thank you! I
am grateful you are in my life!” That’s really miracles.
Ihaleakala, any special story?
Dr. Hew Len: Whatever you want to say. [Pause] Can you tell them the story about your
mother getting involved in a robbery?

Mabel: Oh! Well, no, it’s wasn’t my mother, actually, but it was in Argentina. I am
originally from Argentina.
We went with Ihaleakala to present Ho’oponopono in Buenos Aires. At one of
the...I receive an email later on and a person tells me that the Solar Water
saved my mother’s life!
She tells me the story that she shared with her mother about the process of the
Solar Water. Her mother felt inspired to prepare it. She put a little bit on the
bathtub and she took a bath before going on a walk with some friends. So, she
said that they got caught into a robbery and there were gunshots. So her
friends kind of tend to drop on the floor and she STOOD up there. She said
that there was SOMETHING AROUND HER like she couldn’t really
describe. But, actually, her friends got hurt. One of the bullets touched her, but
it didn’t even leave a mark.
She said [in hushed tones], “It HAD to be the Solar Water. It HAD to be the
Solar Water.”
Mabel: So, was it the Solar Water? We don’t know, but like anything you look at
results and you know, I always tell people, “If it feels good here...I mean, this

is going to go crazy with this stuff. There is no way the Intellect can grab this,
but IF YOU REALLY get in your heart that maybe it doesn’t cost...Hey, I try
it. I mean, you are going to love it!”
One of my first BIGGEST STORIES I think it was, when I SEPARATED… I
went to rent a place.
A friend of mine said, “Why don’t we move in together so we can afford a
better or nicer place?”
So, we find this beautiful place. It was unbelievable that we were able to rent
it. We qualified because of the two incomes at that time.
One day, I think, before signing the lease contract, she says, “I changed my
mind. I’m going to leave to Arizona.”
The FIRST thing you say is like, “What am I going to do?” All of these things
come into your mind, but by Inspiration, I got to call the realtor. I started with
my cleaning, “Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.” I called the realtor and
asked her to put the contract under my name.
She said, “Yes.”

You know, like two or three months later, so much work had started coming
in my way, that I think it was two months later that I realized that I could
afford that place all on my own.
Then, nine months later, the owner calls me and says, “Mabel, I know you
LOVE this place, but I am going to SELL it! I am giving you priority, but
otherwise you will have to move!”
So, I said, “Look, I LOVE this place, but I don’t have the money for a down
payment. There is no way I can qualify for a loan.”
I said, “Well, you know? What I know is how to clean. I am going to do my
cleaning and if this is the right place, God will give me the loan, because I
can’t!”
You know, I can give you a WHOLE class about qualifying for a loan as an
accountant.
Mabel: So I said, “There is NO WAY!”

Mabel: “There is NO WAY! I could have a LOT of degrees and I could be very
smart, but I can NOT get myself THIS loan!” So, anyway, I have to tell you, I
had a lot of cleaning to do, TRUSTING that if that was the RIGHT place, it
would happen and if not, it wasn’t.
Actually, the lease contract expired and it was like, one of us would say,
“Hey! Did you read this?” Expiring!!
So, anyway, it actually expired and I said, “Well, I have to call the owner and
TELL HIM!” You know, I can not just go on IGNORING this.
So, I called him, “Thank you. Thank you. I love you. I love you,” BEFORE I
called, WHILE I am talking to him, AFTER I hung up.
I said, “Ken, you know, I LOVE this place and I WANT to buy it, but I didn’t
get the loan yet.”
He says, “You know, Mabel, this is not a very good time to put it in the
market, anyway. So, just prepare an extension of the contract and fax it and
I’ll sign it.”

Do you THINK that I would have THOUGHT of that? I would have thought
only of going… CRYING, “Please, HELP ME.”
Mabel: “Give me another CHANCE!”
Do you understand what I mean? Those are the things that only God can do.
So, only I said, “I did not get it.”
Guess what? A couple of, I don’t know, months later or less I HAD the loan
and the person who GOT it for me actually called ME to let me know that he
could HELP me. Those kinds of things is only when we get out of our own
way and we realize that we don’t know anything and then we do the cleaning.
I used to tell my two teenage boys, where the mother went a little bit nuts
practicing some Hawaiian crazy stuff.
I used to tell my son, my little one, I said, “You know, I KNOW that I talk
about weird things, but THEY WORK!!”

He said, “Yeah, Mom! They WORK, because remember you told me what to
do when I was having problems at school? Now I get along well with all of
my TEACHERS! How did that happen?”
“I don’t know!” [Chuckle]
So, anyway, any questions?
Joe: Are you doing the four phrases or you doing something besides, “I love you. I
am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you”?
Mabel: No, I just do, “I love you,” only or, “Thank you.” It WILL WORK!! They are
like SHORT CUTS. So, BASICALLY what we need to do is what we are
DOING. Whatever YOU DO, what you are doing is taking 100%
responsibility. “I am sorry. Please forgive me for whatever is in ME that has
created this.” But actually, just saying, “Thank you,” or, “I love you,” it will
WORK!
Joe: Are you doing it round the clock, non-stop, twenty-four hours?
Mabel: Well, as much as I can, because I still react. I still have opinions [chuckling]
and judgments.

Mabel: A lot of times I catch myself not cleaning, but as SOON as I catch myself I go
back to the cleaning because I know that it’s the ONLY thing that works!
Joe: Do you feel that you are cleaning during the night, because you do it SO
MUCH during the day, is your subconscious mind picking up the, “I love
you,” and just carrying it through the night?
Mabel: I find myself many times waking up KNOWING that I was doing the
cleaning.
MANY times when I wake up and I remember the dream and I said, “OH! I
wonder if I was cleaning?” I’ll go, “Was I cleaning?”
Joe: That’s interesting!
Mabel: But it REALLY… I think, yeah, I think it will go in automatic. If you
REALLY...something that I have learned also is… that it’s very important to
ride one horse. You know, your subconscious got kind of confused.
A problem comes in and says, “What do we do now? What technique do we
use?”

So when you really are true, when you find really what works for you, I
always tell people, “You just have to do what works for you and THAT only
YOU know!”
In MY CASE, I find myself a lot of times, even when I react...when I
BLAME, my feeling is that the cleaning is still going, it’s still going, it’s still
going.
Joe: Have you cleaned with the IRS?
Mabel: Well, I use a lot of these things when I go to the IRS, okay?
Mabel: I might go... You know, some of the IRS desks have some one of these in
sticker [Chuckling] form, so one of those agents has some CEEPORTS on
their desk now.
Joe: So, you snuck and put one under?
Mabel: Yeah! [Laughing]

All: [Loud Laughing and clapping]
Mabel: Yeah! I am just doing my cleaning! [Chuckling]
Mabel: It’s not...I have to tell you, I USUALLY get...I have many cases to tell you,
but there WAS one that there was this BIG lady and she was SO TOUGH, so
tough! So, I kept cleaning and cleaning. The second time I have to meet with
her. The second time I have to meet with her, the second time, I go… the
second time she ACCEPTS any deductions that I bring her, they weren’t
actually personal.
There was a real estate broker that actually did some home repairs on her own
house that I said, “Well you know what she does is she does a lot of work in
some houses so that she can sell it better.”
Well, anyway, the first time she told me, “Hey! My mother is a real estate
broker, I KNOW what kind of expenses a real estate broker can have.”
The second time she would accept everything and at the very end when she
showed me the thing to see if I agree or something, she told me, “I need to

congratulate you for your professionalism” she said. She says, “I know you
are here defending your client’s rights.”
But anyway, this was a case actually that I was representing for a client of a
CPA office. I am not so shaded. I have my own practice, but sometimes I
HELP in this CPA office and it actually was a client of them. So, they
were...we KNEW she was going to owe money. There wasn’t ANY way. I
mean, I don’t know, she made $100,000 to tell you a number and she kind of
had $90,000 deductions. So, it wasn’t reasonable at all and there wasn’t any
way. We knew that we would end with a bill.
But, one of the partners talks to the client and says, “Well, you know, you can
really get hit with fraud penalties and those are very, very high, but that will
depend on the relationship that Mabel establishes with the auditor.”
Look at the responsibility! But, you know, with the CLEANING you can do
ANYTHING!!! I wasn’t scared at ALL! That didn’t scare me at all! Anyway,
when she shows me the bill, the FIRST thing I looked [chuckling] is penalties.
Do you know how much penalty she got? Zero!
Audience: Wow!

Mabel: No penalty! So, but again, I know it’s not ME! I know it’s not me, just the
cleaning and allowing these things to happen.
I always said, “Look. I am from Argentina. I am Jewish. I am an accountant.”
I mean, I have it all of people who thinks that we are superior, we are “The
Chosen One,” we KNOW. [Chuckling] So, if I was able to LET GO,
especially of thinking, anybody can do it. This really works for everybody.
Actually for those that have sometimes problems with LETTING GO, because
we need to CONTROL, I brought you a poem that somebody shared with us
many years ago. It says:
Giving up is merely quitting. Letting go is sweet release.
Giving up is cries of anguish. Letting go is perfect peace.
Giving up is hard and heavy. Letting go is loose and light.
Giving up is simply failure. Letting go, success in sight.
Letting go I train my blueprint for a perfect pure design.
Giving up is very human. Letting go is most Divine.
Giving up is death at sundown. Letting go, the Rising Sun.
Giving up is there, it’s over. Letting go, I’ve just begun.
Joe: Right on!

Mabel: So, really, really letting go is the ONLY way...is the only way. Any
questions? I don’t mind questions. I LOVE questions.
Male: Are you a CPA or an enrolled agent?
Mabel: I am a CPA in Argentina. Here I am enrolled agent.
Male: Enrolled?
Mabel: Yeah.
Male: What and where did you become enrolled?
Mabel: Uh...
Male: You’re not THAT old!
Mabel: A long time ago, I love that! Well...again, ten years practicing Ho’oponopono.
You don’t realize. I don’t know...maybe 1999? I am not sure...a long time ago.
[Pause] Thank you! Yes?

Man: Mabel, are these both available to you?
Mabel: I have SOME that I brought to give away. So, whoever wants to sign up.
Okay.
Woman: I do.
Mabel: Anyone other questions? By the way, I am NOT a writer. I have decided to
write this book because there wasn’t anything about Ho’oponopono.
I started with my radio show and people would call and say, “Where can we
read about what you are telling me?” There wasn’t ANYTHING!!
So, I said, “I HAVE TO! I have to!”
So, that’s how this book came about.
Dr. Hew Len: I would like to take a break and then you can talk to her or talk to her about
the book. Okay? Because, people...you can see the stuff leaving the room. So,
this is the CHILD in them.
They are saying, “Hey, break.”

So, can we take a break then, yeah? Please.
Mabel: Thank you.
Joe: THANK YOU!!!
Audience: Thank you! [Loud Clapping]
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Jan. 19 – 21, 2007

Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len

flight, do you do it three times in a row or do you do it each hour?

to fly...like I am going to be leaving on Monday, I am already doing my

opposed to, “Oh, no! I did my breathing! How come?”

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. “Come on, God! Give me a break!”

Dr. Hew Len: “I did my breathing!”

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Dr. Hew Len: The Universe is JUST LAUGHING!

and I push. It’s called resistance!

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Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

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you do it, but it is so powerful...so powerful!

Woman: Yeah, they’ve been an inspiration.

because in the Eye of The Divinity, there are no Hispanics, no Blacks, no

believe the tumultuous movement once everybody is willing to be 100%

responsible. Incredible!!! Yes?

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would make the connection. Yeah. We do it the hard way. We plod.

You know, “How come? Why? Why do I have to...”

David: Didn’t the Kahunas have that ability?

talking about? What am I talking about?

Audience: Ego. The ego. Memories!

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I’ve never seen an ego before.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.

was ALWAYS there.

So, I really…when I talk to people, I want people to be clear, I don’t DO

I am just asking the “Z” up here, “I am having a problem. Something has

come up. I am saying, ‘I am sorry. Please forgive me.’”

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know what’s going on.

their mind anywhere in the Cosmos, ANYWHERE!! It was dangerous! What

IMPRESSED!! OKAY!!! [Laughing]

the four corners of The Universe.

Dr. Hew Len: Yes.

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anything meaningful there that you should tell everybody?

But, when you are doing the breathing it is endless beginnings...nothing

Male: Well, my Intellect is asking, “What?”

will NOT know about this and what...?

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Female: So...only if I am inspired to do that.

Dr. Hew Len: AH!!!!

Female: Only if I am Inspired to do that.

SLAM you in the way that you would not want.

you again, but if it’s [pause]...oh, yeah.

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This is why when I do a Foundation class, which is DIFFERNET from doing

only about YOU...and people don’t get that!

We keep seeking we are here to save somebody else’s butt. We CAN’T! We

can’t even save OURS!

you don’t even know yourself?”

when I worked at Hawaii State Hospital, I NEVER taught anybody unless

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patients, but staff. STAFF!!! If we could get them to CALM DOWN, BE

themselves, the patients would just heal on their own.

whisperer or something like that, an animal whisperer.

having problems, I say to the owner, what’s going on with you?’”