Zero Limits Seminar 1 CD 5 of 6 PDF

Zero Limits Retreat: Audio 5
Jan. 19 – 21, 2007
Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len
Joe: In Mabel’s book, The Easiest Way, there is a quote that was just handed to me
by Susan at the top, it’s from Dan Millman, “Love is the sword of the soldier,
wherever it cuts it gives life, not death.” Thank you.
What kind of question do you have...comments, thoughts, feedback?
Female: I have got a question...it’s just.... My comment is this is...it’s fantastic. I am
just having a WONDERFUL time! Thank you.
Joe: You’re WELCOME! Thank YOU!
Audience: [Clapping]
Joe: Oh, we’re getting applause! [Chuckling]
Cindy: I’ll share something.
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Joe: Yes?
Cindy: I would say that the biggest thing that has helped me so far was when Dr. Len
showed yesterday the diagram, so that when the guy was up here talking about
RAGE, I would visualize the diagram and I was sending “Thank you. I love
you,” down to the MEMORY, THEN UP to The Divine; where before I could
go sending it right to The Divine, but this feels CLEANER or more
HEALING to me to send the “I thank you. Thank you. I love you” down TO
the memory, UP to The Divine, and then I felt the CLEARING, the
CLEANSING!
Dr. Hew Len: See, what happens, you CAN NOT GO to The Divine directly.
Cindy: You can not what?
Dr. Hew Len: You can’t go to The Divine DIRECTLY, it’s NOT possible. I guess the
message of Jesus is before you can go to The Divine you have to take the
MOAT out of your own eye. Anybody heard of that?
Audience: Yeah! Yeah! Yes!
Dr. Hew Len: You have to take the moat out of your OWN eye, so you CAN see God. So,
the question is, “Where is the moat?”

Audience: Memories.
Dr. Hew Len: In your subconscious.
Female: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: So, you have to go through THERE. So, the subconscious is really the
BRIDGE home; which means that when you do this cleaning you are using
the total resources of your being: Divine Creator; The Spirit which is the
Super Conscious; the Conscious Mind which is the Intellect; and the
Subconscious, which is the physical part of mind.
So, when you do this cleaning, you are using the ENTIRE resources of your
being. Who am I? I am Divine Creator, the Super Conscious, the Conscious,
and the Subconscious. So, every problem that you have is located in the
subconscious, so you HAVE to go through there. You can’t go directly to The
Divinity.
Cindy: Maybe...that’s probably why I was feeling a lot more HEALING when you
shared that with the diagram, go down to the memory, which is the
Subconscious.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. See what happens though is the REASON that you are able to do that is
somebody did their cleaning...all of a sudden you go, “Oh! I can do that!” So,
you want to thank whoever in the room that did their cleaning. So, now what
happens is there is no future for memory, you know? Yeah. Okay.
So, I am going to do why you got this. I am HOPING that you are going to
take this home with you?
Cindy: Oh, yeah!
Dr. Hew Len: If you lost it [Chuckling].
Male: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: But, the story is you can’t TALK somebody out of something, you can’t
TALK to them out of it, you HAVE TO ERASE IT IN YOU, because once
you erase it in you, you erase it in them.
No talking is going to...like David said, “No talking is going to change
anybody’s mind.”
You THINK you did. You manipulated, but you ain’t going to change it.
They’re going to come back and HIT you!

This is why when you go into a widow therapist who think that YOU are the
problem, the therapy is LONG [chuckle]. I mean, it just goes on and on and I
don’t want to seem CADDY, but I need to...I AM going to be caddy, the...like
lawyers...I am being caddy...
Audience: [Some chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: ...like lawyers and psychologists, they’ll make money off of you because you
are not willing to be 100% responsible. They can’t help you. When you go to
seize them, you are actually helping yourself help THEM! I think it’s
WONDERFUL, don’t you? So, you’ve got to get that.
Now, if YOU get an inspiration to go to a massage therapist, you are getting
that inspiration because there is something that you have to clear with that
massage therapist, but that massage therapist ain’t going to do anything for
YOU...only GOD can do that!!
Somebody said to me this morning, “But I go to see massage therapists.”
I said, “Lucky YOU!”

But if you are going to see a massage therapist so that they can help you, you
are doing it backwards! So you’ve got to...if you are a massage
therapist...GREAT!!! Then you can clean up the stuff BEFORE they show up!
I have a massage therapist friend in Hawaii, she...for about a year or so, she
didn’t quite know what to do with herself. So, she’d do her cleaning, the
person would show up and they’d kind of have coffee! I mean, that is the way
that it would unfold!
Audience: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: They were having their coffee and she would be going, “I should do
SOMETHING, because I’m going to charge her. Yeah?”
Jillian: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Essentially, at SOME POINT, she got comfortable with that.
So, in her mind, she said, “Well, I’ve GOT to do something!”
So, she went to her regular routine, but it was already done! But, she had to
go...I don’t know what massage therapists do, I am not trained to do that! But,
can you imagine? You have already done it with God! So, it’s so much easier

to work with. Whoever you are and whatever you are up to, it’s SO MUCH
EASIER to work from Zero.
The message is, “BLESSED are the PURE in heart for they shall see
God.”
So, if you are a massage therapist coming from Zero, from a pure heart, the
person who is coming to see you will just FALL IN LOVE with you...AND
they’ll SEND MORE PEOPLE!!! I had a psychologist friend of mine who
was concerned that if she did the cleaning, NOBODY would show up. Well,
she did the cleaning and she had more people than she could handle, and she
decided because she could handle them QUICKER and FASTER, she now
only has a practice of three days instead of five! She spends a lot of time over
seas. I don’t know what she does overseas.
Okay. So, here’s zero. This is...when we are at the pure heart we are all
family. This is family [chuckling]: the carpet, the table, the chairs, the air that
you breathe, because you were willing to LET GO of whatever it is that
creates problems.
Okay, here you are. So, now, for whatever reason and I don’t know why, there
are parts I don’t know why, Divinity decided to create my friend here. Okay?
Why? I have no idea. Okay?

So, decided to create, so OUT OF NOTHING I AM the Eye. I come forth
from the VOID into LIGHT. So, now, she’s created as a Light being. So,
here’s the Divinity, I am going to put “D.C.” over The Infinite. Now, The
Infinite decides in creating her, he’s going to create her Spirit. He’s going to
give THAT to her. This is called the Super Conscious. Then, decides for
whatever reason I don’t know to give her a part of her in which she will have
CHOICE. This is called the Intellect. This is the Conscious Mind. The
Conscious Mind, the ONLY purpose of this conscious mind is CHOICE. The
Divinity says, “You can go MY way or you can go to hell.” I’m sorry about
that, but I want to be clear so that when I leave I know that I was clear. Yeah?
So, here’s where the CHOICE is.
If you want to be more POETIC, this is the choice that Shakespeare says
through Polonius who is...I forget, in Hamlet, where Polonius says, “To be or
not to be...free!” “To be or not to be...FREE!”
So, THIS part of HER has the Intellect is which she can choose to be free, like
you, like me. Okay? Then, there’s a part HERE called a subconscious and that
subconscious holds all of the doo doo since the creation of TIME!
MOUNTAINS!!

This is what you hear, people like Jesus, Mohammed Ali, they say, “You can
move MOUNTAINS!” because your mountains is just plain old
memories!!
YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS if you are WILLING!
But, HERE is where the problem is. This is what I’m going to call to make it
ease the child in you, but this is REALLY the physical part of the mind. I am
going to concentrate on THIS, because it’s so important for YOU to be
AWARE OF THAT.
So, let’s say...let’s say that she’s operating and if she’s operating from that, we
are operating! So, let’s say she operates from memory. So I am going to draw
it here, so that you can see the simplicity of it. So, when HER memory plays,
OUR memory plays. SO, we HEAR with that memory! We don’t hear from
Zero. It’s the memory who’s TALKING!!
So, when my friend over there gets ANGRY, it’s NOT HIM that God created.
Zero. It’s the memory playing and the Subconscious simply MIMICS that! So,
it’s not HIM. He’s PERFECT. You are all perfect. What is NOT perfect is the
DATA and the information. That’s what you’ve got to work on.

So, not only do you HEAR it, so in your cells, but your cells are PEFFECT.
Your body is just an effect of these things going on. It’s not REAL! It’s hard
to...that’s a HARD concept!!
Somebody will say, “Well, I can touch it!”
You can ONLY touch it because you have a memory of touching it. Not only
do you HEAR, but you SEE, with your memory. As I did yesterday, I don’t
know what I did with it, I put my dark glasses on and that’s how we see most
people. We see them out of shades. We don’t see them as God sees them,
unless we take our glasses off, called memory and then see them perfectly. So,
you SEE them!
Now, I am coming back to the rage thing my Irish friend was talking about.
So, you have a FEELING, but your heart is broken. This is the EMOTION in
you: the ANGER, the resentment and the hate. I HAVE TO tell you the truth
of it. It’s a hatred for yourself and God, because you are against yourself! You
were created perfect, but you have, in fact, put up a barrier against yourself
and God. But taking it DOWN, WOW!!! I mean, it’s just beautiful to take it
down.
Then, of course, the thing that REALLY gets us into trouble, as Mabel says, is
we speak from memory and what do the Indians say about speaking? You

speak with a forked tongue and they will KNOW IT! You may be...I may be
talking during my speak out of a forked tongue, she may not be consciously
aware of it, but she will KNOW it at the more deeper level that I am selling
her bullshit. They’ll KNOW IT! You can’t NOT know it! The whole Universe
knows it when you speak this stuff and the whole Universe WEEPS.
One day, I got on an airplane and they put me on first class. This was a low
airline.
I go, “Wow, big deal, huh?”
Dr. Hew Len: I’ve never been on first class, a low airline, big deal! Just as I am sitting down,
I hear this sigh! The sigh goes like this [sound of a big sigh]. Have you ever
heard that sigh before?
Audience: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: What does that sigh say to us? When you sigh what is the sigh saying?
Female: I am exhausted.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. I feel like, “God, I am over whelmed! Wow!”
So, I am cleaning now, because that’s a memory! I am hearing something, the
sigh, and I said to the sigh [chuckling], “What’s happening?”
This little plane, 737, said to me, “I’m tired.” [Pause]
Audience: [Loud Laughter]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah!!
Female: That’s great!
Dr. Hew Len: Now, I am on the airplane!!
Dr. Hew Len: I did my cleaning! But, I am on the airplane. I go, “Oh!” Now, if you don’t
remember one of those airplanes, the whole shell of it blew off!!
Male: Right!

Female: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: So, I’m on that...that came up and I went, “Oops!” So, now, another plane is
sighing. So, I am beginning to do my cleaning and I had a conversation with
the airplane.
I said, “Please tell me what it is that I need to make amends for?”
This is the story of the airplane: “We NEVER get any rest! When we are not
carrying passengers, we are carrying cargo...twenty-four hours a day!” But,
you guys get on the airplanes. You don’t talk to the airplanes. Boy! You
should get on there and before you go, you should TALK to them.
“Hello!”
[Chuckling] I know it sounds crazy, huh? I mean, you are sitting in the
lounge, like I always do, I just...and I am talking to the airplane and I am
getting, “Whoa!” I tell you what’s on the airplane what I need to clean up, the
CONNECTION is ENORMOUS! We ABUSE them! Now, is that wrong or
right? No, no wrong, no right, its just so.

You see, we get stuck in “It’s wrong.” Hey, bullshit stuff. It’s the way that it
is! So, now you get to erase it!!
But this poor airplane [chuckling] twenty-four hours a day flying passengers
and it was tired! You know, you don’t want somebody working for you who’s
TIRED on YOUR shift!
Woman: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! Like mother’s who are overwhelmed sometimes by having a new baby!
So, it’s like, you get to… like Mabel, you get to talk to things. You get to talk
to the baby, “I LOVE you!” You get to talk to the baby’s clothing. “I love
you.” You talk to EVERYTHING about this. Boy, you talk to the clothing on
your back, because I remember having a client come in, she was going to go
for an interview for a job that would pay for something like a million and a
half dollars. I never SAW that kind of money before. [Chuckle]
So, I am sitting there, doing my cleaning, and I hear the CLOTHES say to
me...now this is her clothes saying, “We are not the right clothes for this
interview!” I am going....
Audience: [Laughter]

Dr. Hew Len: I mean, really! I mean, it’s CRAZY! You go, “Uh-oh!” So, you begin to take
the responsibility [chuckle] and you begin the CLEANING. As I cleansed, her
clothes CHANGED in front of me. I mean, it TOOK ON a NEW fashion.
Now, I don’t want to tell you what the clothes was telling me, unless you
come and see me in a break, but you don’t want to hear what the clothes said.
Audience: [Some laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: I mean, yeah! You are ALWAYS taking responsibility!
Audience: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: You are ALWAYS taking responsibility! There’s [chuckle] NO WAY you
can get out of it! Because, every time there is a problem, you are always there.
So, then, even the WORST part here is called thinking. Now, here’s what
thinking looks like. So, here’s the soul. This is the bottom here. This is the
soul right here. This Soul is the Intellect in the child. This is the Soul of the
mind. So, what happens is, your thinking is...you are ALWAYS engaged. The
Intellect is always engaged in the data as opposed to letting go, which is
VERY HARD to do, by the way. I want to let you know, hard to do, hard to
let go of data. At least, I am not aware of it, so that’s why I do my cleaning.

But, boy, if I get us stuck in the data, it shows! That’s what my children say.
Dad, it REALLY shows.
I say, “Okay. Sorry.”
So, now, in order to get to the DATA, which is where the problem is, when
you do this, when you do the cleaning, it goes downward, DOWN because
that’s where the hurt and pain is. Then it goes down and so gently the cleaning
rocks this like, sand at the bottom of a river, GENTLY rocks when you say I
love you and whatever is right will come up...not the whole thing. If the whole
thing comes up, you get traumatized. It can ONLY handle so much.
So now it comes up. So, that information goes onto the Spirit part of you
who’d never connected. You know that I showed this non-connection? It’s
always FREE of the Data. So, you have two parts of you always free of the
data, the Spirit part of you and The Divine. So, now, the information goes up,
ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Remember the old Biblical invocation, “If you knock, I will open. If you
ask, you will receive.”
So, now comes down the data. This is called Manna, or purifying energy. It’s
on the way down.

It comes down spiritually, nothing there to clean, comes down, “Oo, all kinds
of hanging on to clean there!”
Then it comes down and then finally at some point, it erases. So now, you can
not erase you! So it erases that! It erases that! It erases that!
You are back to Zero, instantly, as again the Biblically saying supposedly
Jesus said, “Seek ye first the Kingdom [tapping sound twice] and ALL
else will be added automatically.” INSTANTLY you get Inspiration!
All you said was: I love you; thank you; blue solar water.”
Female: Blue Bell.
Dr. Hew Len: Blue bell or blue bonnet!
Woman: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: That’s all you said! [Pause] I mean, it’s incredible, the SIMPLICITY of this!!
When I saw it for the first time, I was just mind boggled! As a Ph.D. guy, I
mean, you struggle [chuckling]. You are SUPPOSED to struggle. When I saw

this and this old, short lady when I took the course for the first time, I paid, I
think THEN it was five hundred bucks, so I come in and I sit down. There
must have been about forty people. There’s this OLD lady walking around
and I am WATCHING her.
Then she says, “Do you see this Chinese spirit in the middle of the table?”
I went, “Oh, my God!” [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: During the break, I went home!
Audience: [Loud Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: What is she TALKING about? Anyway, so I am at home, I don’t have very
much money. I’m at home. I’d just finished school and all of that sort of stuff.
I’m at home and there’s this pull [chuckle], “Go back again.”
I said, “No way!”
“Go back!”

So, there was this struggle. Then, finally I said, “Ah!!” I didn’t want to
struggle. I went back again. I lasted ONLY up ‘til lunch.
She says, “You see these Earth-bound spirits on the ceiling?”
Audience: [Some laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: I’m like....
Of course, you could see some people going, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”
Me, I’m going, “I only see the ceiling.”
So, I did it THREE times. Finally, the third time I said, “Hey! I can’t be
paying five hundred bucks every time! I’m just going to hang around.”
This was 1982. So, I hung around and more and more, as she cleaned, so I
could get clear...so when you clean, David, me, and everybody who had that
memory will get clearer and clearer and clearer because you were willing to
be.
Because, the rest of us, kind of go, “Huh?”

We don’t know what’s up. So, here’s the simplicity of it. When God created
her and God created her in its exact likeness: pure, free, whole, complete. She
needs nothing!
Now, what happens is when the blob comes up she can hang around with that,
which is called illness, ease, disease, or she can say, “Hey, I don’t know
what’s going on.”
We don’t, you know. So, you have The Divinity erase that. Now you get fed
your Daily Bread, moment-to-moment, until another [chuckle] opponent
comes up.
All you are saying is, “I love you. Thank you. Light switch.”
Oh, sorry, that’s another class. [Chuckle]
Women: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: So, any questions about...that I can clean up, because I made you unclear?
Yes, ma’am?
Lady: What is D.C.?

Dr. Hew Len: I am sorry?
Lady: D.C.
Female: Energy.
Dr. Hew Len: Can you come up here and show me?
Now, you should be cleaning, you guys. This is not...this is something to be
cleaned as opposed to you having an opinion. We want to see what she is
going to tell us.
Lady: This initial, D.C.
Dr. Hew Len: This is called Divine Creator.
Lady: Divine Creator.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah!
Lady: That’s it.

Dr. Hew Len: So, we want to THANK HER because we get to clean with that as opposed to
you guys having an opinion. You are going to have to get this. Now, the
BEAUTIFUL thing about her being created is SHE is going to give us a
chance...because for EVERY memory that BUBBLES UP there is one million
memories that she is not even aware of...per SECOND!!
If there’s fifteen [chuckle] she’s this and there are BILLIONS....they are
MOUNTANOUS. So, I would like to have Joe kind of talk about this that you
read in the book, that you cited about people...things being… happening but
you are not aware of it.
Joe: Can I have a minute to read it?
Female: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Absolutely! So, if I remember, I am going to give you one of the references
that Joe makes. It’s called, “User illusion.” This user illusion gives you kind
of a consolation of all of the...not all, I guess, but sufficient number of
research that deals with consciousness.
Basically, it says, “You don’t decide. You are not in control.”

I mean, that’s the basic, bottom line. You are not in control. It’s this [chuckle]
little stuff over here, that’s pulling the button. It causes you to choose the
clothes that you wear, the guys you hang around with, the occupation that you
are in. [Pause, Chuckle] Sorry, I’m just telling you what’s in the book.
So, I am going to leave it here if you are interested in looking at this. So, I am
just sharing with you that you are not in control. The Greeks call it what?
What would the Greeks call this? Fate [Chuckling]...F-A-T-E. You are stuck
with it! The Psalms call it, “Hidden Secrets.” So, you know, Shakespeare calls
it different names. Chaucer...so these ANCIENT folks have been telling us
stuff that we should pay attention to!
So, any questions that you can ask Joe? Yeah?
Dr. Hew Len: I mean, really...HE KNOWS this stuff! So, anybody have any questions that
you’d like to ask him? Joseph?
Joe: Do you want to tell me what it was so I can tell him?

Female: Well, I was curious about how he moved from the very first time he saw this
very old woman to being where he is now, that’s made him WHO COME, and
[inaudible]?
Joe: He spent five years with Morna [Kahuna Morna Simeonna] thinking she was
crazy every day! Until ONE day he started to see a lot of what SHE was
seeing.
Female: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: We BOTH got crazy!
Joe: I think this is relevant what you wanted me to read, which I didn’t know I was
going to read it, but this is FROM Zero Limits. This is one of the most
POWERFUL sections in the book, especially for people who have read MY
book, The Attractor Factor or have seen the movie The Secret and you know
about the Power of Intention. You know I’ve been an evangelist for
Intentions. Well, guess what I have discovered and look what I read and what
I wrote!

“There’s a book called The Wayward Mind by Guy Claxton. IN
it Claxon writes of experiments that prove our BRAIN tells us
what to do BEFORE we consciously decide to DO it! In one
famous experiment, a neuroscientist named Benjamin Levitt
hooked people up to an EEG machine. It REVEALED what
was happening in their brains. It revealed that a SURGE of
brain activity took place BEFORE the person consciously had
an Intention to do anything, suggesting that the Intention came
from that person’s UNCONSCIOUS and THEN entered their
conscious mind.
Claxton writes ‘Levitt discovered that the intention to move
appeared about a fifth of a second before the MOVEMENT
BEGAN, but that a SURGE of activity in the brain
RELIABLY appeared to be about a third of a second BEFORE
the Intention.’
According to William Irvine in his book, On Desire: Why We
Want What We Want, ‘experiments such as these suggest that
our CHOICES are NOT formed in a conscious rational
manner! Instead, they BUBBLE UP from our UNCONCIOUS
MIND and when they finally reach the surface of
consciousness, we take ownership of them.’

Benjamin Levitt himself, the man who ran the controversial
and revealing experiments wrote in HIS book, Mind Time, ‘The
unconscious appearance of an intention to act could NOT be
controlled consciously. ONLY its FINAL consummation in a
MOTOR ACT could be consciously controlled.’
In other words, the urge to pick up this book right here may
SEEM like it came from your conscious choice, but IN
REALITY your brain FIRST SENT A SIGNAL to pick it up
and THEN your conscious mind followed with some sort of
intention, like, ‘This book looks interesting. I think I’ll pick it
up.’
You could have chosen to NOT pick up this book, which you
would have RATIONALIZED in some OTHER way, but you
CAN NOT CONTROL THE ORIGIN of the SIGNAL ITSELF
that was nudging you to take action!”
I go on to say:
“I know this is hard to believe. According to Claxton, NO
INTENTION is ever hatched in consciousness. NO plan ever
laid there. Intentions ARE premonitions, icons that flash in the

corners of consciousness to indicate what MAY BE ABOUT to
occur! Apparently a clear intention is NOTHING more than a
clear premonition.” [Pause]
I hear “Wow” ALL OVER the place!
That is one of the most powerful sections in the book, in MY opinion, because
it was SO eye opening for ME!
It was saying that what we were calling to be intentions were all of these
bubbling up from up here and we didn’t know if they were coming from
memory or whether they were coming from inspiration, but we’re acting like,
“Hey! I have an intention to do something!”
We are taking OWNERSHIP for something that was BUBBLING from
BELOW!
Female: Define ‘premonition’.
Joe: Define ‘premonition’? That’s seeing what’s about to be...what’s going to
happen.
Female: [Inaudible]

Joe: Well, I would say, use whatever word is right for you. I am saying, “seeing,”
but knowing, you KNOW, in SOME WAY. You might feel it, you might
sense it, you might think it; in NLP terms, it might be in some sensory
awareness, you KNOW it in SOME WAY.
David said this wonderful line yesterday. I keep quoting you. I want to make
you a guest speaker this...later on. I may not get this right either, but it was at
dinner.
He said that, “Life is like this giant long painting that’s already painted and
YOU are IN it and you don’t see the painting because you are IN it.”
Audience: Um!
Joe: Correct? [Pause] That’s profound, too!
Dr. Hew Len: You can erase the painting!
Joe: You can erase the painting!

Dr. Hew Len: I would like to come back and deal with her word about the word “knowing.”
Joe: Sure!
Dr. Hew Len: Just so I am clear and you can clean with this, as I ask her. So, I would like
Clara to tell me what knowing is.
Clara: Being sure.
Dr. Hew Len: Only because I want us to work it, to let it go, because...yeah. I’m sorry?
Clara: Being sure, being aware.
Dr. Hew Len: But, if you are at Zero, let’s say you are created pure in heart, would you
know from that?
Clara: No!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. So, where does...?
Clara: That’s why I don’t understand. I’ve lost something here.

Dr. Hew Len: It’s because the memory is playing. The memory is saying for you to ask that
question.
Clara: Uh-huh. So, I don’t understand. I am lost. That’s [inaudible].
Dr. Hew Len: But you can ERASE that so that you are NOT lost, you are back to Zero!
Clara: How?
Dr. Hew Len: I love you.
Clara: I love who?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Clara: I love WHO?
Dr. Hew Len: The memory, that’s creating you being uncertain.
Clara: But I don’t know whatever that is.
Dr. Hew Len: You DON’T know! Only God knows!! That’s why you are talking to God! I
don’t know what’s going on. I am unclear. I love you! But, The Divinity IN

YOU knows why you are unclear! See how WONDERFUL this is? But there
is a LOT of confusion. So, like if SHE IS confused, I am confused. So I am
CLEANING as she is TALKING TO ME. Whereas, when I used to teach at
the University, I would try to what?
Audience: Fix it.
Dr. Hew Len: EXPAIN IT! You CAN’T explain this! It’s this stuff. It’s like you mind is
FILLED with these CURRENTS...it’s LOADED with these currents of flow
and eddies and so on and they CAN NOT be explained!
When from me, as she’s talking to me, I get to see what’s going on in this 15
million per second that I can WORK on and WHY do I want to work on it?
Because I want to COME HOME to a pure heart so that I can be ONE with
The Divinity and The Divinity can, in fact, inspire me!
Clara: So, you have to EMBRACE the memory...you have to LOVE the memory.
Dr. Hew Len: I am sorry?
Clara: You wouldn’t have to LOVE the memory and that’s BASICALLY on your
part, my part, our part...it’s a LEAP of faith, because I don’t want the
memory! It’s a PAIN IN THE ASS!

Dr. Hew Len: Okay.
Clara: It’s complicating my life! I don’t want that memory. I want it GONE!!
Dr. Hew Len: Okay.
Clara: How can I say that I love it? I don’t LOVE it?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but you HEARD the idea is, “Resist not evil”?
Clara: Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: You are resisting it!
Clara: Okay.
Dr. Hew Len: So, the WAY that you are RESISITING THIS MEMORY, it’s pushing you
and you are pushing back on it and it’s going to hang around with you forever.
Clara: So, what do I need to do to not...?
Dr. Hew Len: I LOVE YOU!!! THAT’S YOUR ENEMY!!

Clara: So, the, “I love you,” is just a leap of faith? Just SAY it.
Dr. Hew Len: No, did you hear some people share with you already? That guy over here? He
didn’t just “leap of faith!” When he got up at two o’clock in the morning, he
was working on stuff that would lead him to a heart attack!
He didn’t get up and say, “I am going to take a leap of faith.”
“I am just going to [clap] DO IT!” That’s the only thing. Just [clap] GO DO
IT!
Clara: But, that’s what he DID!
Dr. Hew Len: He did what?
Clara: He just did it!
Dr. Hew Len: YES!!
Clara: That’s a leap of faith!

Dr. Hew Len: So, where did THAT come from? You were saying he did a leap of faith. Did
you ASK HIM that he did a leap of faith?
Clara: No, but what he said was he just started doing it.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah!
Clara: That’s a leap of faith!
Dr. Hew Len: So, where does THAT come from?
Clara: The Infinite, I guess.
Dr. Hew Len: No. But I want to know where.... It’s got to come from WITHIN YOU!! There
is nowhere else it can come from.
Clara: I know.
Dr. Hew Len: That’s the point I am trying to make with all of you. It’s ALWAYS in YOU!!
How WONDERFUL to know that! Then you can do something about it, as
opposed to David and us being STUCK in it, because WE HAVE a lot of stuff
about what we think about our children. I’m WATCHING it! [Chuckling]

He and that bubble will go, “Yeah, I’ve had that one.” The memory is talking.
I get to erase that!
David: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! But, see, the question is to be or not to be free. [Pause] We can be
STUCK. We can try to decide in it, but it’s only this stuff. Now, to be so, I
want to make sure that I am not sort of haranguing people. If you want to be
stuck, please be my guest. I mean that truthfully [chuckling]. But, for me, I am
going to CLEAN, because I don’t want to be stuck. What am I cleaning? I
don’t know. I have no idea! I don’t WANT to know!
This idea of going to see psychics, “Oh, you are asking for trouble!” Doors
will open and you are going to get sucked in and get stuck!
So, why not just hang around with yourself, because you can’t get away from
yourself. You are stuck with yourself! So, LOVE YOURSELF!! REALLY
fall in love with yourself, because you are love. You were created like that.
Somebody had a question over here. Yes?

You know, I am HOPING that you are cleaning on it. You know, you guys,
because otherwise, when anybody goes who gives a...you have a CHANCE to
work directly with God. Yes?
Mathes: Actually, it’s wasn’t a question.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes.
Mathes: It was kind of in relationship...
Dr. Hew Len: Sure.
Mathes: ...to what came up before. I just had this inspiration to say that it REMINDED
me of a really beautiful scripture that I will recall in my life.
It’s in Isaiah, “I will go before you and make the crooked way straight.”
Dr. Hew Len: [Loud Clap!] Yeah!
Woman: Yeah, wow!

Dr. Hew Len: Otherwise, like he’s talking about in the book, you WANDER. [Chuckling]
This is what is called the Lost Tribe of Israel, the wandering which is just a
memory. Yes, Ma’am?
Ma’am: Also, it reminded me of yesterday when we were putting the levels that we
are.
Dr. Hew Len: It’s three states, yeah.
Ma’am: The three states. Knowledge is to me, I was playing that with memories and to
such you used the work “Know” so to me, that was my big [male coughed]
memory, rather than inspiration.
Dr. Hew Len: Good. Good. Now, again, I want you to know again that this room is
wonderful, as long as it’s going to clean up our stuff no matter what’s going
on, because we don’t know what’s going on. Yeah? Yeah. Do you have a
question for Joe?
He’s written the book, beautifully! But I have to keep saying that it’s going to
throw-up stuff, like it’s throwing up in this room. This is only a small
[chuckling] stuff. Wait until it gets out there for millions of people to see? It’s
going to kick up stuff. So, this is great, that’s what we want.

Man: I have your tape.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Joe: We have to have lunch a little earlier today. It’s eleven forty-five, because
they hare a couple of things going on over there. So, if you could go to lunch
now, which is in the building where you had the supper. ENJOY your lunch
and I’d like to have a group photograph if you don’t mind at one fifteen.
Rodney: Who’s going to take it? [our professional photographer is asking].
Joe: [Chuckling] Hopefully YOU!
Rodney: I want me IN it!
All: [Laughing]
Joe: He wants to be IN it! Well, we’ll have TWO pictures taken, one with him in it
and one with him not.
Female: [Inaudible]

Joe: At one fifteen, let’s have a group photograph, everybody, which is right
outside. They have an area where they have weddings and it’s between here
and where the dinner is. So, all of us can gather there at one fifteen and have a
quick shot and then come back over here by one thirty. Okay? It’s called...the
Gazebo! The gazebo...is actually where we are going to have the picture at
one fifteen.
Dr. Hew Len: Do you want one with me standing in the stands?
[Break for lunch]
Joe: This is something I struggled with, meaning in terms of what you all have
been understanding this weekend, I have been CLEANSING on, because I
have wanted to understand, meaning I have wanted to control, meaning I
wanted to be right, meaning I’ve wanted to get results, meaning Joe’s ego has
been trying to direct this thing, so Joe has wanted to know what the formula is
to get the results that Joe wants. What I’ve had to do is to just keep cleaning,
and cleaning and cleaning on that and having discussions with him on the
times that I have been able to get together with Dr. Len.
So, I get to the point of understanding that the ONLY intention I have is to
KEEP CLEANING so I am RECEIVING Inspiration when Divinity gives it to

me in each moment. That’s the only intention I want and even THAT is an
intention that is one step removed from The Divinity itself.
So, I no longer come up with, “I want to create such and such. I want to have
a particular item.”
I want to be HAPPY in each moment. I want to CLEANSE whatever is in the
way of ENJOYING each moment. As I CLEANSE what’s in the way of me
enjoying each moment, THAT moment is taken care of and the next moment
is even better than the moment that I was just in.
I gave a talk… a very spontaneous talk… that seemed to be inspired to my
MENTORS at North Star Mentoring. You’ve all seen a flyer that went around.
I have a Miracles Coaching program and two of my coaches, the mentors, are
BACK here. I went in one day and I told them that I got inspired driving over
there and I understood that ALL of us are like at a dot on a map and there’s
the dots.
It’s as if you walk in the mall and you see the great big sign which is laying
out where all of the stores are, there’s a dot that say, “You are here.” So, it
TELLS you where you are. “You are here.”

But, most of us want to go to another dot. We want to go over here. We are
over here, turn right with the mike in my hand, you here, you want to go there.
This is the goal. We want to be at that goal and this was already alluded to.
We all learned different techniques to get from here to go over there. We
fight, we struggle, we climb, sometimes we learn The Secret, and sometimes
we learn the Law of Attraction. We read The Attractor Factor. We find it can
be a little EASIER going over here. But we still want to leave here to get
there.
I have found, in my experience, for me to get here, I have to do NOTHING
but BE HERE, right where I AM. If I am THERE, TOTALLY THERE, and I
am almost NEVER totally there, because of all of the memories, because of
all of the programs, all of the beliefs, these are other words that I would use
for memories. BECAUSE of all of the other programs or the other beliefs, I
am NEVER TOTALLY HERE, but what I want to do, if there is a goal or an
intention at all, I want to be HERE, totally taken care of and enjoying THIS
moment. As I take care of this moment, I end up at something like this or
better!
Because when I am HERE, and I am saying. “I want to be over there. That’s
my goal and my intention.”
I am seeing with blinders on. I am seeing with the limitations of this moment.

If I say, “Man, it’d be great to be up there.”
I might be LIMITING and not seeing at all, what’s way up here or even off
the map! So, how this works for me is if there is any intention at all, it’s for
me to keep cleaning, so I am in this moment, so when The Divine kind of
sends the message through me to go turn left, to go turn right, to write a book,
to go on a TV show, whatever it happens to be, I am THERE to HEAR IT!!
Because if I DON’T KEEP CLEANING, I’M NOT THERE TO HEAR IT
and then I just struggle, maybe I get there, maybe I don’t.
There’s a great joke in life is that we are all here. We want to get up there.
When we do get there what do we go through?
Audience: [Inaudible]
Joe: We are NOW here, not there at all mentally and we want to go up to another
dot. As soon as we even see this dot in sight, we start thinking, “Wow! What’s
the next dot?”
I found the point of power is HERE. To have REAL POWER I have to keep
cleansing so that I am totally here! I find that it is incredibly interesting that
we’ve been cleaning since we’ve learned about it yesterday morning, and now

the sky is clear, the sun is out, the water is beautiful, people are out there on
the water. We’ve had our picture taken outside. Now, obviously, the sun
would have come out at some POINT, but it just seems to me that this is
relevant that the sun is out NOW. It seems to be a metaphor. [Joe is saying
this because for the entire week before the event, Texas was hit with an ice
storm and snow! Texans were asked to stay home, stay off the roads and many
were off from school and work for 4-5 days].
A few days ago when the big storm hit and the ice was here and the snow was
here and Nerissa and I were housebound, like many people, the power went
out. The house quickly got very, very cold...and I am from up North! I am
from up in Ohio. I LEFT IT because of reasons like this, for weather like this.
Joe: So, it brought up what?
Audience: Memories.
Joe: Memories! So, I walked around the house, made sure the critters were okay
and Nerissa was calmed down, everybody was alright, I’m calming down. I
thought, the ONLY thing I could do was go lay down and cleanse. I went to
bed, lay down, and I spent maybe TEN MINUTES just saying, “I love you. I

am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive
me. Thank you.” That’s ALL I was doing was my meditation. It was MY
MEDITATION.
Now, at one point I started to think, “Why am I doing this?”
I thought, “Am I trying to turn the power on?”
So, I went into a MENTAL thing, “Am I trying to turn the power on, because
if I AM, didn’t The Divine turn the power off to begin with? If I am trying to
request it to be turned back on am I trying to over rule The Divine?”
I was going into a HEAD SPIN here and I thought, “Wait a minute! I need to
Clean ON THAT!!!”
Do you see how the memories just go CRAZY and your mind goes nuts? So, I
just kept saying, “I love you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.” Just
getting back into the gratitude, right back into the flow, KNOWING in MY
mind that I was thinking, “Yeah, I PREFER to have the power on, but I will
be okay if it needs to be off. I will go with the flow.”
Nerissa said, “Aren’t you scared?” at one point.

I said, “No! People go CAMPING in this kind of weather! They CHOOSE to!
So, I’ll just pretend that I chose to be home when it got cold and the power
went out!”
I wasn’t worried at all! So, I just kept, “I love you. I am sorry...” and about
twelve minutes into this, the power comes back on. Now, it’s real easy for my
ego to say, “I did it!” Because I was doing the cleaning, the sun came out.
Because I was doing the cleaning, the power came on. Did it? I don’t know. I
don’t know and it doesn’t matter! All I know is I HAVE to keep cleaning. I
HAVE to keep cleaning because of the statistics I put in my book and the
statistics that he pointed out in that one book that was circulating here earlier.
Our conscious mind doesn’t have a CLUE what is going on! There is SO
MUCH DATA underneath the Conscious Mind and so much data that is
circulating around the room that we don’t even see! Some of you have seen
portals open up. You’ve seen a little bit of it here. That, all we can do, is just
keep cleaning and cleaning and cleaning because there is just so much of it.
I have actually felt, while writing the book, I thought, “Well, you know, once
this all gets out there, this is a big mistake, right? So, once this all gets OUT
THERE...
All: [Laughing]

Joe: ...it’s going to CLEAN the whole world and it’ll just get easier and easier,
lighter and lighter and lighter and then he makes a comment like yesterday
when he says when the people die, if they die with some sort of memory, that
memory may be stuck on the ceiling in the Emergency Room or stuck in the
house where they passed away.
All I could see was, if that’s TRUE, I can’t imagine ANYBODY except
maybe three or four people on the ENTIRE history of the WORLD, who
didn’t die with some sort of memory that got left behind...which means, “Oh
my God! Do I have CLEANING TO DO,” an OVERWHELMING amount of
cleaning!!! He’s TOLD me that before, but I’ve quite HEARD it and always
in the back of my mind I thought to myself, “I’m a good entrepreneur. I’ll find
a way to make the short cut!
Joe: You tell me what the Hawaiians did for thousands of years and then I will
Americanize it and I will find the INSTANT.... What is the commercial that
says to just push the button and all the office supplies show up?
Audience: The Easy Button.

Joe: Yeah, I’ll find the EASY BUTTON. I’ll push the button and the whole world
will change! Well, the button is IN ME and what happens is by saying, “I love
you. I am sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you,” or even if it’s just ONE of
those statements, even if it’s just, “I LOVE you” or just, “I am SORRY,”
ANY of those statements THAT begins to clean. As it’s cleaning, I get to be
back in this moment to the BEST of my ability, never TOTALLY in this
moment, part of me is already thinking of something else or tomorrow or
books or whatever else is coming along the way.
But I am doing my best to be in THIS moment. The MORE I can be in this
moment, the next moments seem to be more fantastic!! That’s my experience
of IT!!
So, I am no longer playing the Intention game. I am no longer playing The
Secret game, which is SO ironic and it’s probably meaningful that I didn’t go
on Oprah to go talk about The Secret, because I would have been the ONE
guy out of alignment from the rest of the group [chuckling] and I probably
would have MOUTHED off, like I did on Larry King.
Craig: [Loud laughing]
Others: [Laughing]

Joe: I’d have been the ONE guy who said, “You know what? The Secret, that’s
kind of BULL!”
It works for a certain stage, but you can go PAST that! Jack Canfield would
be looking at me and Oprah would be looking at me and James Ray would be
looking at me. So, it’s probably VERY relevant that I just kept CLEANING
and I won’t go on for THAT reason, but I may go on for THIS reason. So,
that’s my answer to the Law of Attraction and so forth. Yeah! GREAT
question! Another question? Yes?
Female: Well, I just have an observation that from where I am sitting when I am
DOING the cleaning, I AM connected with that Zero and THAT is the
GOAL. It’s not cleaning the mountains so much as BEING IN
CONNECTION and the easiest, best way to do that is by doing the process.
Joe: I think that there’s a little bit of an opportunity for self deception there. I
UNDERSTAND what you are talking about, at least I THINK I do, but as
soon as I believe that I am AT Zero, I’m not at Zero.
Audience: Right.
Joe: I am again, one step removed from it. As soon as I believe that by doing this
cleansing I am now channeling The Divine or any way that you want to

describe that, but I am now letting that inspiration come through, I am
probably deceiving myself again. What it seems to me that happens is that
when I am REALLY AT Zero, an Inspiration comes through, I don’t have a
THOUGHT about it, I just DO IT! I just LIVE IT!
Somebody else might know, “Hey, where did that come from?” or “What
happened to you with that particular situation?”
I’ll go, “Oh! I hadn’t thought about it, but I just got this WILD idea and I just
went through and DID it!”
So, I think that there’s a PURITY there that happens when you hit Zero, but I
don’t...I don’t hit Zero is my understanding. I’m waiting for him to JUMP up
and say something! [Chuckle]
Joe: Yes, Cindy?
Cindy: I was going to say, with your diagram there, with My Space Wedding, I could
not have set that as a goal, because I did not KNOW...
Joe: Yes!

Cindy: ...even as a possibility in my lifetime to get married in space.
So, when I was meditating and being at Zero in this Oneness, that’s when the
Inspiration came in “Get married in Outer Space.”
I went, “Wow! Really? Okay!”
Then took action and to make it...you know.
Joe: Right.
Cindy: So, it all came from that Zero.
Joe: Yeah, I believe that in HER CASE from what I understand, she just kind of
went to a blank space and waited and the idea bubbled up.
Cindy: Right.
Joe: You didn’t really ask for it. Right behind you first, Kevin, Craig?
Craig: Joe, it occurs to me, looking at the two dots there, that even the awareness of
the higher one is an illusion and is a memory...

Joe: Thank you!
Craig: ...and that there really IS no second dot.
Joe: Yeah!! Well, part of it, if you are ...
Craig: It’s not there.
Joe: Why would you choose a dot way out here? Because of some MEMORY that
says it’s going to be pretty cool!! Some memory, while you are sitting here,
you are going, “Wow! It would REALLY be great if I had something like
what I had before or what I’ve heard of before and so you project it out here,
but you are not here.” You are actually LISTENING to a MEMORY!! If you
keep cleaning THAT, that doesn’t come important. THIS becomes important
and the next moment, the next moment, the next moment, the next moment,
they take care of themselves and they seem to go UP. Yes, right there.
Male: Just like the last seminar that you had where some people weren’t here to sell
it, but the way that you presented the whole things was the sky...laying in a
field looking up at the sky and all of those clouds there are thoughts...
Joe: Yes.

Male: ...and if you move ALL of them away and there’s one cloud, it’s still a
thought. You can’t get to the point that you realize that you are not the cloud.
You are the sky. It’s almost like a paradox.
Joe: [Chuckle]
Male: The more you try to clear it, the more you realize that you are part of it.
Joe: Well, it IS a paradox! Yes! I HAVE referred...I think I even BEGAN this
yesterday by saying that if there was a code word for the weekend it’s ‘white
board,’ because that’s Zero State, there’s nothing on the white board.
Male: But.
Joe: We are all here with all kinds of stuff on the white board.
If we just look at what we’ve been writing here, I BEGAN it with, “There is
nothing on the white board.” Look at how much we put on the white board!
ALL of THIS and this is supposed to EXPLAIN the white board.

Joe: All of this is ACTUALLY IN THE WAY of the white board! In some what
levels, this probably sounds crazy. How many of you think he’s crazy?
Joe: Come on!! Yeah!! There’s at least a couple that think he’s crazy. He thought
Morna who is the person who taught him Self-Identity, Ho’oponopono, who I
talk about IN the book Zero Limits...he thought Morna was crazy for five
years! He literally DID, back in the 1980’s when he had to go in the seminar
and it cost him $500 each time he went in and he kept LEAVING, because he
didn’t see space beings or things hanging on the walls or whatever it was that
he said she saw and he DIDN’T see. So, on one level I am VERY AWARE
that this kind of conversation could sound REALLY CRAZY!!! On
ANOTHER LEVEL, I think it’s the most important work I’ve ever done in
my life, for me, personally.
Now, I know SOME of you had some other questions and ONE of them I am
going to bring up...well, there’s one right there. Go ahead.
Man: Hey, when Dr. Len was talking about psychic stuff?
Joe: Perfect! Yes?

Man: I used to listen to plants. I understand what plants did. Then I got hooked on
the psychic stuff and walked away from that and a lot of stuff has been
missing in my life because of what was natural communicating with the plants
and with nature, I walked away from because I was afraid of the psychic.
I was talking to Joe about this I noticed awhile back I was communicating
with Carol’s car. I know her car! I started talking about that and then I realized
that I have a motorcycle that’s broken down my drive way and I haven’t
appreciated that. I realized how much I didn’t appreciate that, maybe because
I was afraid of the psychic thing versus the natural thing. I was hoping that Dr.
Len would talk a little bit more about that, because I know that he
communicates with airplanes.
Man: [Inaudible] I think that would help me understand and be really beneficial.
Joe: So, it sounds like you are directing that question to him.
Man: Yeah.
Joe: Dr. Len, would like to...?

Dr. Hew Len: What was the question?
Craig: [Chuckling]
Man: If there is a...?
Dr. Hew Len: Now, as HE’S TALKING, you should be cleaning!!! He’s only talking FOR
YOU!! You’ve GOT to get this one, otherwise you’ll get TANGLED in this
stuff and go NOWHERE! You WANT to come home to Zero. So, he’s only
ASKING the question because it’s an opportunity to clear, get really back to
clarity, because what he is TALKING about is really talking about stuff YOU
are reacting to. If you didn’t have it IN you, he wouldn’t SAY it. You can’t
say something that’s not already IN you. So, kind of just pay attention to
yourself and clean. Yeah, go ahead.
Man: I need you to talk about talking with the airplanes and the room and with all of
nature.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Man: I can understand and appreciate that, having done a lot of that. At one point, I
walked AWAY from it, because of a fear of the psychic realm.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. What YOU...what would be a problem for YOU if you went to SEE a
psychic.
Man: I wouldn’t do that.
Dr. Hew Len: No, I am POINTING that out. Now, if you go see a psychic you are going to
be in TROUBLE!
Man: Why is that?
Dr. Hew Len: Because the reason that you go see psychics is because you’ve got problems.
If you would LET IT GO, you could see for yourselves. Why would you want
to go see a psychic when you can do it yourself? Talk to the chair, talk to
there, talk to SHOES!
So, the idea is NOT to talk to things, the idea is don’t talk because some of
you talk to somebody else! That’s a BIG problem...is getting information from
another person you’re going to...you are going to go off. Because the only
reason that you are talking to that person is because you have the tie that you
need to cut, erase, and let go, so that YOU can go directly to the Source which
is already IN YOU!

Yeah. For you...for those of you who give out information, oh boy! You
should be paying attention, because whatever you put out is going to come
back and SLAM you! So what you want to make sure is that whatever you are
putting out, it comes from inspiration and you NEVER know. Because you
never know, you are always cleaning, because you’ve got to put out
information anyway.
“I don’t care,” you say, “I’m not going to do it! I’m going to clean!”
Well, it’s going to go out anyway. But, the idea is by doing constant, non-stop
cleaning it’s going to come up to do whatever it’s going to do and people are
going to do that around you because they are moved to do it, not because you
are telling them to do it.
You guys have a NASTY HABIT of telling people what to do. It’ll come back
and get you. One of your children, get you...it’ll come back and do that. But,
the idea is, listen, just clean up. You’ve got some clients, you just make sure
that you are cleaning with them and THEY will get what they need and they’ll
come back.
They’ll go, “WOW! I don’t know how it happened, but I thank you very
much!”

You go, “HUH?” You take their money ANYWAY!
Well, the idea is that you want to be able to be at a place where ALWAYS the
information is coming directly from The Source. THAT’S where you want to
be. This is why you want to clean, because YOU will get that information and
when that information goes OUT, it comes directly from God. You say, you
think. Yeah. That’s so. But if you fuss around with psychic stuff, then you are
opening yourself up for problems. The DOORS open in your mind and you
are not even aware of it.
You just go, “W-h-o-o-p [musically up the scale],” and you get more and
more confused.
I had a good friend who, she would go to the store and then, in the store, have
you ever seen people inside the store with telephones, calling aunt [Bla, bla,
bla, bla, bla, bla, bla]? Oh, yeah, yeah. So, here’s this little gal, must have
been a sixteen year old. She went off to the store.
Then she would say, “Oh! Maybe mom would want something.” She would
stop. She would do her cleaning and then she would ask mama, “What is it
that you want?”

Mama lived about two miles away. Mama would say, “Here’s what I want.”
Because she got SO clean, she could hear mama! But now, we’ve got cell
phones. We are losing this intuition that’s ours!! Where you can actually
teleport with your mind, you can actually hear...and I MUST say I LOVE the
internet! Because I don’t have to see people!! See? I can [Chuckling] DO IT
over the internet!!
Female: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: If they are mad at me, I go, “Oh, okay, I get to clean that,” as opposed to have
them right in my face going GRRRR [growling sounds].
Woman: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, but you ALREADY know and I am only here to SAY you know and
that The Source in you DESIGNED you!! He knows EXACTLY who you are.
He knows EXACTLY what’s perfect for you and the ONLY thing that
BLOCKS you or this information called memories, OLD STUFF, what
Shakespeare calls “Fore bemoan moan.” POOR SOUL! That’s the
Subconscious and the Conscious. “Poor Soul! These rebel powers that thee
array,” and that’s what the memories are, the DATA.

Any more questions before I get on to OTHER cleaning tools? [Chuckling]
Please.
Joe: Are you saying...it’s sounded you are saying that we shouldn’t go to a
PSYCHIC, but it doesn’t sound that we may not have psychic abilities.
Dr. Hew Len: No, I am saying TWO THINGS.
Joe: Okay.
Dr. Hew Len: What I am saying is, if...let’s say that she turns out to be a psychic. Okay? So,
I am doing my cleaning and I get an inspiration to go see her. THAT’S the
ONLY time that I’ll go SEE HER! So, now I know that I am going to see her,
I am going to make sure that I do my cleaning, but there’s SOMETHING that
I can clean up and there’s something that she’s going to share for me
DIRECTLY from God! But, if I don’t CLEAN, then she’s going to tell me
GARBAGE, because I didn’t clean up my stuff!
Now, I don’t get...to be very honest, I don’t get these inspirations to go see
psychics or anybody else. Now, that doesn’t mean that I won’t DO it. I may be
doing it...I am CLEANING and the Inspiration and I may be doing it without
my awareness! THAT’S what you’ve got to watch!!! So, the idea is, so what’s

the bottom line? Just do your cleaning. Just DO IT!!! What are you cleaning?
Who KNOWS....but you want to be FREE!!
You want to have, as Jesus said, “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall
see God.”
That’s what you want to do, because when I...if I am cleaning, I look at my
friend Heidi, I will only be awed by what I see.
If I don’t clean, I go, “Well [whinning sounds].” Like the soliloquy in Hamlet.
Oh, my God! But, see, THAT’S your responsibility!!
Remember that old saying that, “You can be perfect as...
Audience: God.
Dr. Hew Len: ...God.” YOU CAN, because [Chuckling] you already ARE!!! EXACT
IMAGE, EXACT likeness, but we don’t experience that because we’ve got
GARBAGE. So, coming back to the question, it does not mean that I am not
going to go SEE her, but I am going to go see her because I am INSPIRED to
see her. But I am going to clean like nobody’s business because I don’t know.
I want to make sure that whatever information that comes up for me or for her
will be PERFECT.

Anybody else? Yes.
Female: I’ve had maybe three or four times in my life that I have been TRULY
inspired to do something. I could NEVER EXPLAIN WHERE it came from.
Dr. Hew Len: GOOD!!
Female: I had told the other clients that I had plans of something completely different
that day and I was just driven to DO something else...
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Female: ...and I DID that other thing.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Female: WHERE does that kind of inspiration come from if I am not, obviously I
never learned about cleaning until I learned it....
Dr. Hew Len: HEY!!! Somebody in Hawaii is cleaning so that you can be inspired!!!
Female: Oh, okay!

Dr. Hew Len: Somebody, somebody else!
Female: So the cleaning’s been going on for....
Dr. Hew Len: THOUSANDS of YEARS!!!
Female: Somewhere a cleaning wave came by ME...
Dr. Hew Len: ABSOLUTELY!
Female: ...and I got an inspiration.
Dr. Hew Len: Absolutely!!! But, this cleaning has been going on for thousands and
thousands of years!!
Female: Wow!
Dr. Hew Len: Otherwise, we’d be DEAD already, all of us. This would be a whole lot...I
mean, the talk...the nuclear...I mean, it could go to hell, but you have people,
these CRAZY people who come along [Chuckling] periodically and to keep
the things so that it won’t just go crazy!!

Female: You know what? I DO want to say something, that I think that you are
INCREDIBLY BRAVE to even USE the word ‘CRAZY’ considering where
you used to work.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. Oh, yeah!!
Dr. Hew Len: But, I tell you the reason why I am saying that. You see, I have to...this is
not...teaching this stuff is not a SAFE way to go. This is not something I
would WISH [Chuckling] anybody else to do, because you have to be crazy!
Because, like my friend over there with the rage, if you say something and
you HIT that in class, they will go ballistic. The WHOLE class will go crazy. I
had that happen in Chicago. I had that happen in Philadelphia and I KNOW
that it’s going to come!! No matter what, it’s going to come!!!
But, you’d be a damn FOOL to try to teach this stuff. I do it, because this is
what I came to do. I don’t do it because I LOVE to do it.
Dr. Hew Len: It’s like I was telling to somebody, a friend of mine, I WOULD PREFER to
be home just walking, getting OLD.

Dr. Hew Len: But, this is what I, unfortunately, and I will say unfortunately, this is what I
came for. I CAN NOT NOT DO IT. But, it’s dangerous to do!!! You will hit
grudges. This is the PROGRAM; I mean you will hit it like nobody’s
business!!! Nobody...I mean, it’ll go CRAZY!!!
This is why, before I come, I make sure that I spend HOURS looking at the
land, looking at the building, looking at whatever it is in me that will cause
you to go ballistic looking at the LAND. The LAND is really the MOST
important thing to look at, because THIS land had millions and millions and
millions of YEARS of history. So, if you are going to go any place...you don’t
know....
You see, PART of the problem with jet lag is you don’t realize that if you are
in Austin, I am going to go home to Los Angeles, I have to travel through all
of this time and space, different dimensions, and well, of COURSE I am going
to get jet lag. BUT NOW, before I go I do my TEN ROUNDS of breathing,
The Universe makes adjustments, opens, closes, opens, closes, just like
breathing!!! But all you are doing is breathing.

You are saying, “I am sorry. Please forgive me. I don’t want to break up
anything. That’s not my intent. I just want to go HOME!”
Like that, by just doing ten rounds of breathing for every hour. Otherwise,
unknowingly, you are just smashing things creating problems. Yeah. Anybody
else? I hear...see bubbles over here...anybody [Click-cluck, click-cluck, click-
cluck tongue sounds] Okay, once. [Click-cluck]Yes, Ma’am?
Woman: So, if you’d say you’d rather be HOME, this is...you are INSPIRED to teach
THIS?
Dr. Hew Len: No. It...YOU should be CLEANING when you are hearing anything like that.
You are trying to figure out what’s going on.
Woman: I am, yes. I could be cleaning.
Dr. Hew Len: But, you could be CLEANING, because the Intellect will go CRAZY! Yeah.
I am just telling you the TRUTH. You want to hear the TRUTH, right? You
don’t want to hear bullshit, but...this is why at some point you had the Internet
that’s come.... That’s why I am hanging around with my friend Joe Vitale. I
am looking for SOME EASIER WAY to get this information across...without
having to travel!!

Female: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Have you seen.... Why do you think I am hanging around with him, for???
Nerissa: [Loud Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: You know what I heard when I was cleaning?
This is MONTHS ago, I heard “HE CAN WRITE!! He has the story-telling
style, but it doesn’t come across as Pendante,” like the reading of a manual on
mental health. So, he can do it!”
But, I kept WORKING on it, I just wanted to make sure I am hearing that,
because the information in this book, it MAY look like story-telling, but it’s
going to hit a lot of plugs!!! [Bong, bong, bong, bong, bom (musically sung)]
I am ready. I would like the BOOK to go out, so that [Chuckling] I can
CLEAN AT HOME while this thing is doing it’s [bom, bom, bom, bom,
(musically sung)] and I have TALKED to this book.

The book says, “I am...I can do it!”
Yeah, so...but wouldn’t it be nice if you could work from home doing stuff?
Don’t you want to work from home, you folks?
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah! So, this, that’s what I would like to do, because I am getting to be a
VERY OLD man and I would prefer...yeah, anybody else? Yes, ma’am.
Female: Dr. Len....
Dr. Hew Len: Can I show you here? I give you what my name is, because if you pronounce
my name correctly it’s a cleaning tool, so I’ll just put it up on the board.
Audience: OH! Okay.
Dr. Hew Len: This is why if you have the correct name, your name itself becomes a cleaning
process. If the name is incorrect, all hell breaks lose.
You wonder, “Why is the person mad at me? Why?”

It’s about your name, not YOU. Yeah. So, I am just going to put it on and
you...have...you can do with it what you want.
But, here in Hawaiian the “i” is pronounced as “e”. It’s an “e” sound. Okay?
So, ‘hale’, like Spanish, it’s even keel, ‘ha le’ means house, ‘a’ means ‘of’,
‘ka la’ so an Okino sign there. So, it means, I-ha-le-a-ka-laaaaa. If you say,
“this ‘la’” ONLY it means ‘money.’ But, if you say ‘laaaa’ it means son. If
you say ‘la’ [short word] it means forgiveness. So the name, the pronunciation
is VERY IMPORTANT. So, Ihaleakala. Yes?
Female: Ihaleakala.
Dr. Hew Len: Yes. Perfect. The question please.
Female: Yes. I...speaking of...I need some clarification please very much between the
physical and I spoke to Joe about this at lunch about this and he said that I
should mention it in front of the room. The physical… what you physically
feel and how that translates ...
Dr. Hew Len: Sure.
Female: ...into where we are at Zero.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. I need a white...[click-click]. Anybody can give me their ERASER?
Can I get an eraser?
Joe: Here’s an eraser. Here’s an eraser.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. We can open the door and the windows now if you are too hot. Some of
you are fanning away.
Female: Yes!
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. You know there’s an old Texas story? I learned this a long time ago.
There’s a Texas story that goes like this: There’s this dog howling [howling
sounds].
An old man comes along and says, “What’s the problem?”
The dog says, “I am sitting on a TACK!”
Jillian: [Chuckling]
Dr. Hew Len: The old man says, “Why don’t you get off?”
His response was, “I am TOO TIRED!”

Dr. Hew Len: So, if you are waving away and you want the window open, come Okala,
RAISE YOUR HAND [chuckle] and we will do it! Yeah. Coming all the way
from Texas to do this, see?
Joe: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. [Erasing sounds] So, I am going to show you the connections between
the mind and the body. Now, I did it yesterday, but I am going to do it in
another way.
This is a connection between the mind and the body. So, everything begins
with The Divinity, coming back to our friend here. I am going to use her as an
example. So, NOW, for whatever reason, out of the void, out of NOTHING,
Divinity shows up as LIGHT. Why? I have no idea.
So, now, Divinity for whatever purpose decides to create our friend here,
THIS way. So, NOW, she’s PERFECT! Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. Being
Perfect, she’s quiet, doesn’t say anything, no thinking, no coping, no
managing, no questions [chuckling], no NOTHING for EONS!!! [Chuckling]
Sorry. [Chuckle]

So, NOW, here she is. So NOW Divinity INSPIRES her. That’s the NEXT
step. From Zero comes the LIGHT and she is INSPIRED and she FULFILLS
the destiny for which she came, for which she was designed. So NOW, this is
what happens. I am going to draw ONE CELL, which represents the whole
body, because in the middle of the cell, is ALL of the DATA which creates
the whole body. Do you understand that? Okay. Good.
So, here’s the cell. This Subconscious is represented by the celic
BEHIND...AROUND the cell. So, here it is now. I am just going to show you
the connection. Then AROUND this Subconscious is the Conscious Mind. So,
I am going to do it by THIS mark. So, HERE is the Conscious Mind. This is
the Super Conscious, or the Spirit, so I am just going to draw it this way.
HERE is The Divinity, Zero, Infinite. So, as soon as you get an experience
called Inspiration in HERE, it’s because the Inspiration is here, in The
Subconscious. IMMEDIATELY it tunes up and the cell becomes inspired.
That’s the connection between the mind and cell, because around the cell is
something that science can not see. That’s the Subconscious, the conscious
mind, the super conscious, then The Divinity.
So, as SOON as something...this gets inspired, that inspiration shows up in the
Subconscious and that’s inspiration designs…. that cell and you have the

experience of love, joy, happiness...your cell! You are just...it’s like THAT!
It’s an uplifting.
Now, if this is a Memory, which is everything shuts down then what happens
is the memory ends up here, remembering here’s the connection. The memory
ends up here and then the cell goes and it becomes cancerous, that’s the effect.
It’s out of rhythm. It’s out of tune. It’s gone! It’s out of step.
So, NOW, if you have a pain in your back, you want to work on THAT which
creates the pain in the cell and the way you do it is, “I love you.” Divinity
sends on the image, removes that energy and it becomes pure energy, removes
it to nothing and the same thing happens here, here, down to the cellular level
which is just an effect, then now the Inspiration comes down and the CELL is
REBORN, like you!! That’s it!
Victoria: On your body you have chakras and...
Dr. Hew Len: Your body what?
Victoria: On your body you have chakras. Do you know what I am even referring to?
Dr. Hew Len: I don’t know what you are talking about.

Victoria: They are energy centers.
Dr. Hew Len: So, let...what you have to do, I want you to do, I want you to put THAT down
for a little while. I want you to look at THIS. [Pause]
So, every cell has an IDENTITY. The Divinity, the Inspiration, the Super
Conscious, Consciousness. That’s what I am telling YOU now. EVERY cell,
ZILLIONS OF THEM, have an identity of their own. If it’s playing from
memory, then in the memory of the Subconscious, the cell has an effect and
the cell goes out of sorts, because...remember I showed you the three things?
Here’s Zero, here is the CAUSE. Here is the EFFECT! From Zero you get
zero...nothing! From Inspiration, inspiration causes an inspiration here, so that
cell in fact BEHAVES itself. It does what it NEEDS to do, but if you’ve got a
memory here, that memory which is a CAUSE, will cause that cell to go into
disease and you are STUCK with it.
Now, I wanted to leave the chakra out, because I don’t want to handle that in
this class. I am NOT DENYING THAT, I am not! But I want you to stay at
HOME with yourself. But here’s the relationship of the mind to the body. But,
you HAVE to realize that the body is an effect! Thank God!
Don’t you think, “Thank God, we can change that”?

Female: Yes!
Dr. Hew Len: Instead of dying from some disease called cancer, WE CAN REMEDIATE IT
by CHANGING the memory!!! [Pause]
Anybody else?
Headaches, no matter what you’ve got, you can...YOU can heal it, by
talking...by going here. But, if you think that the problem is in the cell, you
haven’t got a chance. You can’t do it! Anybody UNCLEAR?
You don’t have to buy this. I am not here to sell it to you. I just want to
[chuckle] make sure you are CLEAR. Yeah?
Female: I am clear.
Dr. Hew Len: David? David, do you have anything that you want to ask about THIS
arrangement?
David: No, not from YOU.
Dr. Hew Len: Okay. Thank you very much.

Woman: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Yes?
Suzanne: If you are clearing all the cells, can you rejuvenate yourself...?
Dr. Hew Len: Of course!!
Suzanne: ...by about…. twenty years young?
Dr. Hew Len: Of course!!! For GOD, there is NOTHING that God can not do that is perfect
and right for you!! NOTHING!!!
Now, the ONLY question is, “What [chuckling] is God going to do for you
when you CLEAN??”
You can’t say to God, “This is what I want.”
Dr. Hew Len: It doesn’t work, because God is not a concierge!! Do you know what a
concierge is?

Audience: No. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Dr. Hew Len: That’s how we TREAT people.
I want this and you don’t give it, “Well, [raspberry] I’ll go....!”
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah. Divinity is NOT a concierge, ladies and gentlemen. I just wanted to
[chuckle], sorry about that! If he IS, you’ll have to hear it from another
person. Yeah. Yes? Yes?
Woman: Can we just TRUST the process and not have to figure out how it’s working?
Dr. Hew Len: Well, you WON’T EVER figure it out how it’s working, so...yeah!
Dr. Hew Len: You can’t figure this thing out. This is why as I am listening to Joe trying to
explain things. I think he’s doing a good job, but words can NEVER explain
God. CAN’T!! [Chuckling]

They ONLY reason I am STUCK. I HAVE TO SHOW you SOMETHING,
you know?
Dr. Hew Len: I mean, I’ve GOT to show you SOMETHING, but I don’t want you to GRAB
this. I want you to know how it works and JUST WORK IT!!!
That’s ALL YOU’VE GOT TO DO!!
Lady: I mean, for me, I see what you are saying...
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Lady: ...and it looks interesting.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah.
Lady: I would just prefer...I TRUST you.
Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, trust GOD, yeah.
Lady: But, I prefer to trust the process. It WORKS! So, I don’t have to figure it out.

Dr. Hew Len: Yeah, that’s right! GOOD FOR YOU!!!
In other words, “Ah, [raspberry] let that GO!!”
Really! You don’t have to...fools....
But you see, there are Intellects in this room. I have to.... They paid a
thousand or fifteen hundred.... I’ve got to, you know, give them [chuckling]
SOMETHING!!!
Dr. Hew Len: They go HOME to FUSS around with. Yeah.
Dr. Hew Len: I am saying this out of LOVE for you people.
The INTELLECT’S got to say, “Now, wait a minute!! I paid fifteen hundred
dollars, or a THOUSAND, I’ve GOT to get SOMETHING!!”
So, I said, “Okay, let’s give them something.”

But you see my friend from Poland? Where’s my friend from Poland? Raise
his hand. See? He already got it within an HOUR! He could GO HOME!!!
Dr. Hew Len: He got it, REALLY!!
Dr. Hew Len: HE GOT IT YESTERDAY!!! He got it yesterday!! I tell you the TRUTH.
You can get it in an hour, if you’d LET GO. You can GET IT, because you
were created to get it, but the Intellect is SO ferocious!! [Chuckling] So,
ferocious!!!
“Ah, let me GET THIS. Let me go grab it!” [Spoken in a gruff, loud voice]
Lot’s of luck, ladies. Lots of luck! Even I don’t grab it.
One day [chuckle] I was in a workshop with Morna and I am sitting there,
trying to mind my own business, but I am ALWAYS concerned about what
she’s going to say, because we are at the University of Hawaii. She is talking

away and the guy WAY in the back of the room where my friend Om is, he
raises his hand.
He says to Morna, “Let me just say lalalalalalala.”
Now, here’s Morna. You guys have got it EASY with ME!
Jillian: [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Here’s Morna, FEARLESS, fearless, “HEY back there, do you know you
were once a SEAWEED?”
Audience: [LOUD LAUGHTER!] OH!
Dr. Hew Len: He never asked any more questions.
Audience: [LOUD LAUGHTER]
Dr. Hew Len: So, to show you HOW much of a WIMP I am...
Female: [Chuckle]

Dr. Hew Len: REALLY, a wimp!!
So, one day I was working on something and I heard The Divinity says, “This
is [chuckle] what I want you to tell him.”
I went, “Oh, no! No, no, no, no, no, no!”
REALLY! I was shaking my head.
Then I heard this word, “WIMP!”
Audience: [Loud laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: So I am cleaning now [chuckling], because I AM!!!
I mean, some of the things I hear to tell people like you I go, “Oh, Jesus
[grumbling]!”
So, it comes up and I hear the word, “This is what I would like for you to
say.”
[Chuckle] Sure enough, the room when to HELL!

Audience: OH! [Laughing]
Dr. Hew Len: Everything, I mean the room just ERUPTED, just by what I said. But it was
so! [Pause]
So, not only, this is why it is DANGEROUS to do this kind of class. When
you hear you are to say something, you go, “Oh, no!” Yeah.
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Jan. 19 – 21, 2007

Hosted by Dr. Joe Vitale & Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len

wherever it cuts it gives life, not death.” Thank you.

What kind of question do you have...comments, thoughts, feedback?

Female: I have got a question...it’s just.... My comment is this is...it’s fantastic. I am

just having a WONDERFUL time! Thank you.

Joe: You’re WELCOME! Thank YOU!

Joe: Oh, we’re getting applause! [Chuckling]

Cindy: I’ll share something.

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go sending it right to The Divine, but this feels CLEANER or more

Cindy: You can not what?

MOAT out of your own eye. Anybody heard of that?

Audience: Yeah! Yeah! Yes!

the question is, “Where is the moat?”

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Dr. Hew Len: In your subconscious.

Subconscious, which is the physical part of mind.

being. Who am I? I am Divine Creator, the Super Conscious, the Conscious,

subconscious, so you HAVE to go through there. You can’t go directly to The

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happens is there is no future for memory, you know? Yeah. Okay.

take this home with you?

Cindy: Oh, yeah!

Dr. Hew Len: If you lost it [Chuckling].

you erase it in you, you erase it in them.

No talking is going to...like David said, “No talking is going to change

They’re going to come back and HIT you!

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lawyers...I am being caddy...

Audience: [Some chuckling]

WONDERFUL, don’t you? So, you’ve got to get that.

Now, if YOU get an inspiration to go to a massage therapist, you are getting

YOU...only GOD can do that!!

Somebody said to me this morning, “But I go to see massage therapists.”

I said, “Lucky YOU!”

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are doing it backwards! So you’ve got to...if you are a massage

that it would unfold!

SOMETHING, because I’m going to charge her. Yeah?”

So, in her mind, she said, “Well, I’ve GOT to do something!”

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EASIER to work from Zero.

they’ll SEND MORE PEOPLE!!! I had a psychologist friend of mine who

seas. I don’t know what she does overseas.

you breathe, because you were willing to LET GO of whatever it is that

Why? I have no idea. Okay?

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So, here’s where the CHOICE is.

not to be...free!” “To be or not to be...FREE!”

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move MOUNTAINS!” because your mountains is just plain old

YOU CAN MOVE MOUNTAINS if you are WILLING!

going to concentrate on THIS, because it’s so important for YOU to be

Zero. It’s the memory who’s TALKING!!

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to...that’s a HARD concept!!

Somebody will say, “Well, I can touch it!”

you SEE them!

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I go, “Wow, big deal, huh?”

Audience: [Some chuckling]