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Example: Calculate Size of Bus bar having Following Details

Bus bar Current Details:


Rated Voltage = 415V,50Hz ,
Desire Maximum Current Rating of Bus bar =630Amp.
Fault Current (Isc)= 50KA ,Fault Duration (t) =1sec.
Bus bar Temperature details:
Operating Temperature of Bus bar (θ)=85°C.
Final Temperature of Bus bar during Fault(θ1)=185°C.
Temperature rise of Bus Bar Bar during Fault (θt=θ1-θ)=100°C.
Ambient Temperature (θn) =50°C.
Maximum Bus Bar Temperature Rise=55°C.
Enclosure Details:
Installation of Panel= Indoors (well Ventilated)
Altitude of Panel Installation on Site= 2000 Meter
Panel Length= 1200 mm ,Panel width= 600 mm, Panel Height= 2400 mm
Bus bar Details:
Bus bar Material= Copper
Bus bar Strip Arrangements= Vertical
Current Density of Bus Bar Material=1.6
Temperature Co efficient of Material Resistance at 20°c(α20)= 0.00403
Material Constant(K)= 1.166
Bus bar Material Permissible Strength=1200 kg/cm2
Bus bar Insulating Material= Bare
Bus bar Position= Edge-mounted bars
Bus bar Installation Media= Non-ventilated ducting
Bus bar Artificial Ventilation Scheme= without artificial ventilation
Bus bar Size Details:
Bus bar Width(e)= 75 mm
Bus bar Thickness(s)= 10 mm
Number of Bus Bar per Phase(n)= 2 No
Bus bar Length per Phase(a)= 500 mm
Distance between Two Bus Strip per Phase(e)= 75 mm
Bus bar Phase Spacing (p)= 400 mm
Total No of Circuit= 3 No.
Bus bar Support Insulator Detail:
Distance between insulators on Same Phase(l)= 500 mm
Insulator Height (H)= 100 mm
Distance from the head of the insulator to the bus bar center of gravity (h)= 5 mm
Permissible Strength of Insulator (F’)=1000 Kg/cm2

Calculation:
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(1) De rating Factors for Bus bar:

(1) Per Phase Bus Strip De rating Factor (K1):


Bus bar Width(e) is 75mm and Bus bar Length per Phase(a) is 500mm so e/a is 75/500=0.15
No of Bus bar per phase is 2 No’s.
From following table value of de rating factor is 1.83

Number of Bus Bar Strip per Phase (K1)

No of Bus Bar per Phase


e/a
1 2 3
0.05 1 1.63 2.4
0.06 1 1.73 2.45
0.08 1 1.76 2.5
0.1 1 1.8 2.55
0.12 1 1.83 2.6
0.14 1 1.85 2.63
0.16 1 1.87 2.65
0.18 1 1.89 2.68
0.2 1 1.91 2.7

(2) Bus bar Insulating Material De rating Factor (K2)


Bus bar having No insulating material. It is Bare so following Table
De rating Factor is 1.

Bus Bar Insulating Material


De rating Factor
(K2):
Bare 1
PVC Sleeving 1.2
Painted 1.5

(3) Bus bar Position De rating Factor (K3)


Bus bar Position is Edge-mounted bars so following Table
De rating Factor is 1

Bus Bar Position(K3): De rating Factor


Edge-mounted bars 1
1 bar base-mounted 0.95
several base-mounted bars 0.75

(4) Bus bar Installation Media De rating Factor (K4)


Bus bar Installation Media is Non-ventilated ducting so following Table
De rating Factor is 0.8

Bus Bar Installation Media(K4): De rating Factor


Calm indoor atmosphere 1
Calm outdoor atmosphere 1.2
Non-ventilated ducting 0.8

(5) Bus bar Artificial Ventilation De rating Factor (K5)


Bus bar Installation Media is Non-ventilated ducting so following Table
De rating Factor is 0.9

Bus Bar Artificial Ventilation Scheme De rating


(K5): Factor
without artificial ventilation 0.9
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with artificial ventilation 1

(6) Enclosure & Ventilation De rating Factor (K6)


Bus bar Area per Phase = Bus width X Bus Thickness X Length of Bus X No of Bus bar per Phase
Bus bar Area per Phase = 75x10xX500X2= 750000mm
Total Bus bar Area for Enclosure= No of Circuit X( No of Phase + Neutral )X Bus bar Area per Phase
Here we used Size of Neutral Bus is equal to Size of Phase Bus
Total Bus bar Area for Enclosure=3X(3+1)X750000mm
Total Bus bar Area for Enclosure=9000000 Sq.mm
Total Enclosure Area= width X Height X Length
Total Enclosure Area=1200x600x2400=1728000000 Sq.mm
Total Bus bar Area for Enclosure / Total Enclosure Area =9000000/1728000000
Total Bus bar Area for Enclosure / Total Enclosure Area=0.53%
Bus bar Artificial Ventilation Scheme is without artificial ventilation so following Table
De rating Factor is 0.95

Volume of Enclosure & Ventilation De rating Factor (K6)


cross Section area of
Indoors ( Panel is Indoors ( Panel is
Bus bar/Total Bus Bar Outdoor
well Ventilated) Poorly Ventilated)
Area
0% 0.95 0.85 0.65
1% 0.95 0.85 0.65
5% 0.9 0.7 0.6
10% 0.85 0.65 0.5

(7) Proxy Effect De rating Factor (K7)


Bus bar Phase Spacing (p) is 400mm.
Bus bar Width (e) is 75mm and Space between each bus of Phase is 75mm so
Total Bus length of Phase with spacing =75+75+75+75+75=225mm
Bus bar Phase Spacing (p) / Total Bus length of Phase with spacing = 400 / 225 =2
From following Table De rating factor is 0.82

De rating
Proxy Effect (K7):
Factor
1 0.82
2 0.82
3 0.82
4 0.89
5 0.95
6 0.99
7 1

(8) Altitude of Bus Bar installation De rating Factor (K8)


Altitude of Panel Installation on Site is 2000 meter so following Table
De rating Factor is 0.88

Altitude of installation site (Meter) De rating


(K8) Factor
2200 0.88
2400 0.87
2500 0.86
2700 0.85
2900 0.84
3000 0.83
3300 0.82
3500 0.81
4000 0.78
4500 0.76
5000 0.74
Total De rating Factor= K1XK2XK3Xk4Xk5Xk6Xk7Xk8
Total De rating Factor =1.83x1x1x0.8×0.9×0.95×0.82×0.88
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Total De rating Factor =0.90

(2) Bus bar Size Calculation:

Desire Current Rating of Bus bar (I2) =630 Amp


Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)= I2 X De rating Factor or I2 / De rating Factor
Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)=630×0.9
Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)=697Amp
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Current= Current Rating of Bus bar / Current Density of Material
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Current= 697 / 1.6
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Current= 436 Sq.mm
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Short Circuit= Isc X√ ((K/( θtx100)x(1+ α20xθ) xt
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Short Circuit= 50000X√ ((1.166/( 100×100)x(1+ 0.00403×85) x1
Bus bar Cross Section Area as per Short Circuit=626 Sq.mm
Select Higher Size for Bus bar Cross section area between 436 Sq.mm and 626 Sq.mm
Final Calculated Bus Bar Cross Section Area =626 Sq.mm
Actual Selected Bus bar size is 75×10=750 Sq.mm
We have select 2 No’s of Bus bar per Phase hence.
Actual Bus bar cross section Area per Phase =750×2= 1500 Sq.mm
Actual Cross Section Area of Bus bar =1500 Sq.mm
Actual Bus bar Size is Less than calculated Bus bar size.

(3) Forces generated on Bus Bar due to Short Circuit Current

Peak electro-magnetic forces between phase conductors (F1) = 2X(l/d)X(2.5xIsc)2/100000000


Total width of Bus bar per Phase(w)=75+75+75=225mm =2.25cm
Bus bar Phase to Phase Distance (d)=400+225=625mm=6.25cm
Peak electro-magnetic forces between phase conductors (F1) =2x(50/63)x(2.5×50000)2/100000000
Peak electro-magnetic forces between phase conductors (F1)=250 Kg /cm2
Peak electro-magnetic forces between phase conductors (F1)=2.5 Kg /mm2
Actual Forces at the head of the Supports or Bus Bar (F)=F1X(H+h/H)
Actual Forces at the head of the Supports or Bus Bar (F)=2.5x(100+5/100)
Actual Forces at the head of the Supports or Bus Bar (F)= 3 Kg /mm2
Permissible Strength of Insulator (F’) is 10 Kg/mm2
Actual Forces at the head of the Supports or Bus Bar is less than Permissible Strength
Forces on Insulation is in within Limits

(4) Mechanical strength of the bus bars

Mechanical strength of the bus bars=(F1X i /12)x(1/ Modulus of inertia of a bus bar )

Value of Modulus of inertia of a bus bar or of a set of bus bars (i/v)


No of Bus Strip per Phase Vertical Bus Bar (cm3) Horizontal Bus Bar (cm3)
1 1.66 16.66
2 14.45 33.33
3 33 50

From above table Value of Modulus of inertia of a bus bar=14.45


Mechanical strength of the bus bars=(250×50/12)X(1/14.45)
Mechanical strength of the bus bars= 72 Kg/cm2
Mechanical strength of the bus bars= 0.72 Kg/mm2
Permissible Bus bar Strength is 12 Kg/mm2
Actual Mechanical Strength is less than Permissible Strength
Mechanical strength of Bus bar is in within Limit

(5) Temperature Rise Calculation

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Specified Maximum Temperature Rise (T1) is 35°c


Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)=T/(log(I1/I2)1.64)
Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)=35/(Log(697/630)1.64)
Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)= 30°c
Calculated Bus bar Temperature rise is less than Specified Max Temperature rise
Temperature Rise is in within Limit

Results:

Size of Bus bar = 2No’s 75x10mm per Phase.


Total No of Feeder =3 No’s
Total No’s of Bus bar = 6 No’s 75x10mm for Phase and 1No’s 75x10mm for Neutral.
Forces at the head of the Supports or Bus Bar (F)= 3kg/mm2
Mechanical strength of the bus bars= 0.7 Kg/mm2
Maximum Temperature Rise=30°c

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About Jignesh.Parmar (B.E,Mtech,MIE,FIE,CEng)


Jignesh Parmar has completed M.Tech (Power System Control), B.E(Electrical). He is member of Institution of Engineers (MIE) and CEng,India.
Membership No:M-1473586.He has more than 16 years experience in Transmission -Distribution-Electrical Energy theft detection-Electrical
Maintenance-Electrical Projects (Planning-Designing-Technical Review-coordination -Execution). He is Presently associate with one of the leading
business group as a Deputy Manager at Ahmedabad,India. He has published numbers of Technical Articles in “Electrical Mirror”, “Electrical
India”, “Lighting India”,”Smart Energy”, “Industrial Electrix”(Australian Power Publications) Magazines. He is Freelancer Programmer of Advance
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themselves on various Engineering Topics.

103 Responses to Panel Design & Calculate Size of Bus bar

Felix Jr San Buenaventura says:


August 7, 2014 at 5:41 am
THIS IS GOOD REFERENCE FOR LV AND MV SWGR. DESIGNERS.

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atmakur murali Krishna says:
August 7, 2014 at 11:06 am
Extremely useful information

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RAMACHANDRAN S says:
August 14, 2014 at 3:43 am
Thank u for this useful information.Great

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ganapathy sadayan says:
September 13, 2014 at 3:08 am
Hi, Mr. Jignesh Parmar,

The above information is really useful for us who ever doing the design and selection of busbar for panel engineering.

Thanks for this information, kindly share electrical technical information to us.

Ganapathy.

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Ibrahim says:
October 27, 2014 at 5:46 am
thank alot for this valuable information however, I notice that you are considering derating factor for busbar calcualtion is 0.9 then after derating
current rating shall be reduced but in your calculation it is increasing. can you please explain why it is so or it is only a typing mistake.

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P S N RAJU says:
December 21, 2015 at 11:33 am
CAN I USE HALF GRADE COPPER BUS BAR 15X100 MM FOR 2500AMPS AC 50HZ

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Mohd Zeeshan says:
June 19, 2019 at 11:49 am
Actually the current will be divided by derating factor.
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karan says:
November 20, 2014 at 11:51 am
thank u sir, for this information

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P.Ramesh kanna says:
November 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm
useful information

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Hitesh parikh says:
November 24, 2014 at 6:39 am
Dear sir,

This information very much use to new design Engineer.

Hitesh parikh
Design Engineer in MV SWGR company

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Biswanath Hazra says:
December 9, 2014 at 10:38 am
Truly useful. Thanks for sharing.

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indrajit says:
December 10, 2014 at 6:52 am
Dear Sir,

thanks for your above article, I also want the same type of calculation for Earthing bus bar(Conductor) for electrical panel.

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Da a says:
December 11, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Thanks Sir,
I need more elaboration on the temperature rise calculation. I am not able to get the answer 30 in the given example. Deg cel with the given
formula. My T1= 40 Deg cel, I1= 4055 Amp, I2= 4000 Amp , T2= ?
: Calculated Maximum Temperature Rise (T2)=35/(Log(697/630)1.64)

Pl help,

Thx,
Da a

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Faizal Ruzley says:
December 15, 2014 at 2:00 am
Good Info,

Thanks for detail and calculation,good for RMU and CSU design.

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phaneendra kumar says:
December 16, 2014 at 5:29 pm
Thank you for your information.I am doing Air core reactor designs myself.I know the temperature rise of the conductor.It is R&D ..I am not
ge ing Economical Designs…They are going very large size for smaller current and impedance… Will you pleas help to do learn reactor
design….I am doing this research my self from last one year..

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Vinodkumar says:
December 20, 2014 at 8:55 am
Dear Sir,

Very use ful information you have given to us. Thank you . I have one doubt . Can you please tell me why we choose 2nos of 75X10 bus bar for
each phase when one is enough for the Isc rating. Is there anything else we have to know.

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Nani says:
December 21, 2014 at 5:34 pm
sir,
i want to learn more from u……

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Paulraj says:
January 28, 2015 at 5:46 am
Ji,
Let me know the factors reference for PVC sleeve & ma black painted busbar.

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Cha akis Zacharias says:
February 3, 2015 at 9:05 am
hi,
nice info indeed.
i’d also like to know how you chose the above bus bar size and please post the board with the bus bar dimensions.

thanks

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rajeev says:
February 19, 2015 at 4:59 pm
thank
you sir

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mourad says:
March 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Thanks a lot brother

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vipin khandelwal says:
March 8, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Hello Sir,

Thanks for the information but I have one doubt . Can you please tell me why we choose 2 nos of 75X10 bus bar for each phase when one is
enough for the Isc rating. Is there anything else we have to know.
Which standard reference you have considered ?

Thanks,
Vipin

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eqsgroups says:
April 2, 2015 at 6:45 am
Dear Sir,
Please provide following information given below-
1- How to select Al Bus bar (Info of Al Bus bar Material )
2-How to compare Al and Cu Bus bar to select for same rating.
3-Any thumb rule is there to select bus bar size quickly.
4-Please provide bus bar selection chart for AL and Cu Both.
5-How to select no, of Bus bar per phase.

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Subhadeep Banerjee says:
April 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Thank u sir, this will help me a lot in my field of job…

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Girisha CD says:
April 25, 2015 at 4:57 am
Very Usefull document….

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ron says:
May 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Power distribution load centers generally have 2 methods of current supply. Source current is either introduced at one end of the bus (top fed)
with branch circuit loads distributed through taps and over-current devices along the bus. Many smaller capacity load centers (100-225 amperes)
have current supplied through a main breaker connected to the mid-section of a bus. How is bus design affected with a center fed approach as
opposed to a top fed approach? Did your calculation assume the top fed design approach? Thank you

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K. Sivakumar says:
May 14, 2015 at 4:20 pm
Can you refer to relevant IS/IEEE/IEC Standard that you followed for these calculations? You may mail me at: “sreeraasi94@gmail.com”

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sandeep tawade says:
June 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
can provide bus bar size calculation for 3sec

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dinesh says:
June 24, 2015 at 4:58 am
hello sir i have 63 A mcb 24 nos out going. so what would be a main incommer.

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rahul says:
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June 25, 2015 at 2:00 pm


Very thankful to you
Dear Sir,
Please provide following information given below-
1- How to select Al Bus bar (Info of Al Bus bar Material )
2-How to compare Al and Cu Bus bar to select for same rating.
3-Any thumb rule is there to select bus bar size quickly.
4-Please provide bus bar selection chart for AL and Cu Both.
5-How to select no, of Bus bar per phase.

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Zee says:
July 2, 2015 at 11:04 am
Jignesh .Parmar,

Its a blessing that you are maintaining this site……

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TranMinh says:
July 8, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Someone explains to me: Number of Bus Bar Strip per Phase (K1)..What is bus bar strip

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Mahesh says:
July 9, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Please tell me what is the formula for determine MCCB maximum working temperature..?

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Mushtaq Ahmad says:
August 24, 2015 at 7:30 am
Thanks a lot for sharing such a useful article

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Nandarathana says:
August 26, 2015 at 9:27 am
Dear Sir,

Please explain why did u take 50 deg. C as ambient temperature? Is it actual ambient temperature of se led value after temperature has risen
due to heat emi ed?

Thanks

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BAMBANG Yuwono says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:58 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull refference. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500 kva cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva cummin eng I
want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe operation and load sharing….best regard Bambaang Yuwono.

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Ramesh says:
October 23, 2015 at 9:31 am
Dear Sir,
I want to design a Bus bar of rating 700V, 130A DC supply , then what is thinkness of bus bar size when it is a copper material

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BAMBANG yu says:
November 11, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Thankyou for all your usefull refference. And 1 question Ihave small power plant with 1 set 500 kva cat,365 kva cat, n 100 kva cummin eng I
want to built synchronize both of thre genset for safe operation and load sharing….best regard Bambaang Yuwono.

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Ravindra says:
December 17, 2015 at 10:06 am
how to select busbar as per rating changes of panel… for eg.. 1000A ACB, 2500A ACB … WHICH SIZE OF BUSBAR
WE HAVE SELECT

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Nur.Md.Badsha says:
December 28, 2015 at 1:54 pm
Please let me know about I/d(50/63) for F1

N.M.badsha
Electrical & Electronic Engineer,KUET
Experience on power Distribution,pharmaceutical,Food & Beverage Production Machineries.

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Rajan says:
December 31, 2015 at 10:43 am

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Hi – is there any reference document to substantiate the consideration of current density 1.6A/mm2

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abhinav shukla says:
January 6, 2016 at 7:23 am
thank you sir for sharing your valuable knowledge

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S.Selvam says:
January 20, 2016 at 7:31 am
Sir,
Pl.provide us design calculation for AMF Panel bus bar size – Both three phases & one neutral ,we have three DG Set which are 500KVA each
and controlled by 800A / 1600A ACB with protection

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gulshad khan says:
March 8, 2016 at 7:07 am
MD GULSHAD KHAN

IT IS A VERY USEFUL CALCULATION FOR SELECTING THE BUSBAR

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NAGA CHAITANYA VEMURI says:
March 14, 2016 at 6:02 am
can you please clarify me, for HIGH RISE Buildings , Bus bars are used instead of only using armored cables . Is this because of economical
factor or any technical advantage is there.?

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Amita says:
May 1, 2016 at 11:13 am
Tanks, it is very useful
If it is possible for you, please tell us about your standard or document reference.
Best regards.

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zillur rahman says:
May 25, 2016 at 8:19 am
can i use half grade copper bus bar for 1000amps cos formula

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Papoo Sankaran says:
May 26, 2016 at 5:47 pm
Greetings to you Mr.Jignesh Parmar.
You are doing a great service yo practicing engineers.After all, teaching is a noble way of serving the people.

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zillur rahman says:
May 28, 2016 at 10:01 am
can iuse half grade copper bas bar 500&1000amps change over switch formula?

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SUNNY KUMAR says:
June 13, 2016 at 5:07 am
thanks for this useful information. which standards are applicable to this calculation.

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amitkumar says:
June 15, 2016 at 8:47 am
Thanks for bus bar information

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Papoo Sankaran says:
June 17, 2016 at 9:05 am
Item(6) De-rating Factor K6:

Area of Busbar is mentioned as Width x Thickness x Length.x No.of busbars. How can the product of these three dimensions be “area”, it can be
only “volume”; Please clarify.

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lohit says:
July 5, 2016 at 5:17 am
thanks for the information

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Vasu says:
July 8, 2016 at 10:41 am
you want panel board design for LT switchgear & current rating busbar calculation (copper & Aluminium)

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Sonia says:
July 14, 2016 at 1:02 pm
According to which IEC standard is performed this calculation?

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Rohith says:
August 22, 2016 at 5:56 am
any one knows how to find bus bar size with a only amps rating. because i dont know about the bus bar size mean, how could i find the bus bar
rating with a only amps. any one know the formulas ?????

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Palwe Babasaheb says:
August 31, 2016 at 9:14 am
it will be gr8 if you provide backup sheet (All table source))for above calculations.

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D.VAMSI KRISHNA says:
September 5, 2016 at 7:06 pm
thnks for the information sir,, can you post a quick thumb rule to check the size of busbar with respect to CB used (ex.800A MCCB/ACB etc)

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Shyam Pathak says:
October 24, 2016 at 9:34 am
I request you to please mention reference IS / IEC standard for be er understanding

As per temperature rise calculation : Source Reference : IEC 62271 – 1

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mohit jain says:
October 27, 2016 at 5:40 am
great job sir……………..thanks for the info

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NARSIMULU says:
November 21, 2016 at 9:48 am
the above mentioned explanation is based on which Forum or what?

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bhas karan says:
January 14, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)= 0.9*630 = 567 or 697 ???

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PRITHWIRAJ GHATAK says:
October 17, 2017 at 7:35 pm
it’s a typographical error…should be
630/.9

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AHMED SAAD says:
February 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
KINDLY PROVIDE US WITH THE RELATION BETWEEN BUS BAR SIZING AND INTERNAL SEPARATION

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Venkatesan says:
February 21, 2017 at 10:36 am
For outdoor installation, factor k6 has to be 0.95,0.9 & 0.85. For Indoor installation with poor ventilation, k6 to be 0.65,0.6 & 0.5.

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K THIRUMAL RAO says:
April 7, 2017 at 11:13 am
Thanks Mr. Parmar, I was looking for data related to the torque limits for the bus bar joints and its impact on temperature rise of bus bars during
normal usage. Are there any methods to deduce temperature during full load conditions based on temperatures available during part load
condition of the system ( like we have seen temperature rise near MCCB 630 A terminals of 55deg above ambient of 35 deg at a constant load of
300A, what would be temp at say 600A, is 55+35 = 90Deg acceptable at 50% load )

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Rajesh says:
April 17, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Sir,in bus bar size calculation from where we get the values of alpha, Dita,and Dita t

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Arunkumar says:
April 21, 2017 at 6:35 am
Please advise from which standard the derating factors are taken

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Vijay Kumar says:


April 23, 2017 at 4:39 pm
can i share this on my personal blog ???
really useful info !!!

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Karthik says:
May 2, 2017 at 9:33 am
dear sir ,
Confirm temperature inside outdoor Metering panel when carrying full load current at an ambient of 40 Deg.C.

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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 2:56 pm
It is a very usefull calculation, which could serve my present requirement. In future pls forward the useful eletrical calculation to my mail id.
Thank you.

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ARIJIT ROY says:
May 16, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Could you help me to forward the cu bus bar-bar dimensions(wdth x thknss ) for 1000Amp, 500Amp, 300Amp, & 200Amp Bar .

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omer asif says:
June 20, 2017 at 9:25 am
how to calculate Resistivity of copper bus bar

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pavitra says:
June 28, 2017 at 2:32 pm
hi jignesh

can you mail me copy of Indal text book and Thomas & rata text book if you have.

regards

pavitraagal@gmail.com
+91-9826719220

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SIVAKUMAR K says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:18 am
Dear Ms. Pavitra, Just now I have sent the book by mail to your above mail ID. Please acknowledge receipt.

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sai krishna betha says:
July 3, 2017 at 1:39 pm
This gives the volume of the right, how you considered it as area?

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manoj says:
August 30, 2017 at 8:16 am
sir kindly show me the calculator of selection switch gear and cable size

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rasoul Zare says:
December 17, 2017 at 11:58 am
Dear Jignesh
This is very useful technical information which you share
Thanks

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punitha says:
January 8, 2018 at 10:23 am
Sir,

How to calculate bus duct earthing size

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RAJESH says:
January 11, 2018 at 5:44 pm
Hi Jignesh,

I need to know the temperature of a copper busbar and steel pad at 12.5KA ISC fault level for 2 sec. if we know the size of bus bar or spade?

Rajesh

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January 27, 2018 at 5:42 am


Dear Jignesh,
Will You please give me t Busbar calculation for 1250 Amps, Alluminium, PMCC Panel, Permissible Temp 45 Deg C, InsulatedHeat Shrink
Sleeves, Volatge 415 V , 50 Hz, Humid Atmosphere Assam-Noonmati.. Regards, Kamal Trivedi (kamaltrivedi@ymail.com

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ranjith says:
February 18, 2018 at 10:58 am
Dear Sir,

On which standard basis, your made panel sizing and calculation. which is not specified. Kindly clarify.

Thanks & Regards,


K. Ranjith

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Akhil S M says:
April 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm
Dear sir

Could u please share the derivation for that formula to calculate area of busbar as per the short circuit capacity please.

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Joy Mukherjee says:
June 11, 2018 at 8:09 am
What will be the magnitude of current of one 1600 KVA 3 phase Transformer at its LV winding side.
The manufacturer has consider the Busbar size is 100×12 mm=1200 sq.mm.copper Bus single. what is the Current density of the Copper and is
the Busbar size sufficient for that Transformer?

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DK says:
November 17, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Hi
Could you please explain about Various Testing in ACB & Protection Relay.

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Dinesh Kumar Sarda says:
December 19, 2018 at 6:47 am
Kindly confirm the name of the standard followed by you to arrive at the formulae defined above and how shall be the approach to calculate for
DC currents.

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Smruti Ranjan Prusty says:
January 10, 2020 at 7:13 am
Yes no where any standard and reference has been mentioned.

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Vinodhkumar.R says:
December 28, 2018 at 6:03 am
Can this calculation applies for Busbar design in relays and contactors

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AWNISH KUMAR says:
March 9, 2019 at 11:55 am
Can you please let me know below mentioned parameter in case of Aluminium bus bar

1) Temperature Co efficient of Material Resistance at 20°c(α20)=


2) Material Constant(K)=
3) Bus bar Material Permissible Strength=

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T Vel Murugan says:
May 18, 2019 at 8:40 am
Sir i want BUS Bar Capacity and Size for250 Amps incomer MCCB and 100 Amps MCCB-07 Nos out going

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Anuj says:
May 20, 2019 at 10:57 am
how to choose material constant value?

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Vijay Patel says:
July 4, 2019 at 9:12 am
As per which IS/IEC standard is this calculation performed??

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Munavar ali says:
July 23, 2019 at 11:53 am

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Hi Sir,
Any standard of MDB & SMDB incoming and out goings standard Fault rating (kA) . ex SMDB incoming 35kA , SMDB Out goings for DB-25kA
, MCC – 35kA.
Please clarify
Thanks,
Munavar

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VINOD KUMAR says:
September 25, 2019 at 10:37 am
All calculation above mentioned are nice i got result same as you, but in “TEMPERATURE RISE CALCULATION” how would you get 30 deg.C
as maximum temperature rise.

please explain.

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Vishal Patel says:
December 24, 2019 at 1:18 pm
Dear Sir,

Please help me for find 1250A copper bus bar size as per temperature rise with Calculation and formula

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aziz says:
January 14, 2020 at 9:22 am
Hello dear

in electrical panels, the main bus bar and sub bus bar size is different ? or the same ?

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aziz says:
January 14, 2020 at 9:23 am
I want to know the size of bus bar

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RTN says:
February 6, 2020 at 9:59 am
hello, what if I need to compute for the total ampacity for more than 3 busbars per phase? what data do I follow for K1?

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Gautam Shukla says:
March 5, 2020 at 4:57 pm
Dear Jignesh,
Can you please let me know source reference for insulation material on busbars PVC Sleeve / Painted???

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shivakumar.N says:
March 16, 2020 at 4:18 am
Sir, what is the material constant for aluminium busbar K=?

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Swanand Shivalkar says:
April 2, 2020 at 8:43 am
Hello sir,
MULTIPLICATION ERROR.

Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)=630×0.9


Current Rating of Bus bar after De rating Factor (I1)=697Amp

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Rahul Dhamne says:
April 23, 2020 at 10:39 am
Hello Sir,

I have some doubts in your bus bar sizing calculation sheet

1. Is operating and Final Temperature of Bus bar during Fault are same for Aluminium and Copper
2. I am not ge ing how is Bus bar Position: i.e. Edge mounted, 1 bar base mounted, several base mounted
3. What is the Bus bar Material Permissible Strength: for aluminium.

Please reply to queries

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vijay says:
April 26, 2020 at 11:00 am
Based on the busbar sizing calculation, understood that 1 run of 75X10 mm for phase busbar is sufficient . whereas in actual bus bar size 2 runs
of 75 X 10 mm. is it required to go with 2 runs of busbar. ??? Is this is oversizing of busbar ..? Please explain

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