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Wesley Pepper: [00:00:00] Hi, good day world. This is Wesley pepper. Yeah. And this is my
podcast. Wesley Pepper's Art Lexica . Yeah. Yo man. Thanks for tuning in this week, man.
Um, just that quick recap on last week's episodewith Sabelo. Firstly, Big ups Sabz for coming
through brother. Thanks a lot, man. Um, really insightful, uh, review.

[00:00:41] And definitely something we're looking to do on a more regular basis once events
has picked up, you know, um, once there's a, uh, yeah, I wouldn't say go back to the old
normal because that we all know is not going to happen, but you know, as soon as there's
more and more events, we definitely want to review, um, a whole bunch more, uh, from,
from a whole range, not just spoken word. But of course fine art and even some theater and
music and so forth. So definitely look out for that. That's coming. Um, well, definitely next
year and towards the end of the podcast, I'll explain to you is, um, what I want to do sort of
for the next few weeks, leading up to the close of the year, uh, uh, man.

[00:01:26] So, um, today's episode 22. And I'm, I'm speaking to Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo
from, um, KZN, from Durbs, um, he runs a publishing or is part of a publishing press called
Culolesizwe Presss, which in English, uh, translate to like a national Anthem. And he's busy
with a very interesting project called the Racial Harmony Project, um, that I partook in.

[00:01:54] Um, so, um, I did a video, I did an artwork for them and there's, um, you know,
there's some Q and A, and we're going to unpack the whole thing for him. So, um, and so
Msawenkhosi is a, I mean, he's a published author, um, I actually know him through the
bookwork network. So, um, And, you know, in the, in our field, you have to be more than
you have to wear more than one hat.

[00:02:18] So we're definitely going to speak about all these other hats that he wears. Um,
you know, we'll talk a little bit about, a little bit about his book called, um, Gone to Earth, uh,
we'll talk about, um, about, a bit of his background in journalism and so on. And we'll
definitely, and we'll get into the. The Racial Harmony Project sort of how they're adapting to
the COVID world.

[00:02:41] Um, how are they moving forward and so on and so on. So, yeah, man, you know,
thanks for, thanks for the, uh, listenership, you know, thanks for keep tuning in man. And,
um, you know, I have to, I have some heavy in closing, um, in this intro, you know, I have
some heavies, you like I've, I've, I've, I've been dealing with some heavy stuff around COVID.

[00:03:05] My landlord is not playing ball, you know, as, as, as, as if we been blamed for the
whole thing and we, as artists are really pissed off because of that, man. And it's definitely I
topic I want to touch, um, possibly next week, although I haven't confirmed anything yet.
Um, but I definitely want to get into, because this is complete bullshit, man.

[00:03:25] So I'm, I won't get into too much detail now. Just, I just, I, I just have to tell
somebody, man, like my landlord was just. They, they're not playing ball and they partner
with bigger companies. So, you know, it's just not, it's just not working out. So yeah, I mean,
anyway, I, there's definitely a, a theme or other topic I wanna, I wanna, I wanna unpack in
the coming few episodes, um, probably in November month.

[00:03:53] Um, cause there's a few more musicians I want to talk to, um, some artists and
I'm also trying to get hold of a, um, Of a, of an ou groot man, it sounds wrong, but, um, I'm
trying to get hold of a, of an artist who really, really played a pretty interesting part in my
life. Um, trying to tell me his story, which is something else.

[00:04:18] And to want to do more of, um, in the coming few, uh, in, um, in 2021 and
moving forward. So yeah, I lots to look forward. But back to today's episode, man, like I'm
definitely looking forward to hearing what Msa has to say. So, um, we're going to talk and
like I said, he's from Durbs, so, um, I hope the weather, uh, I hope they're having great
weather.

[00:04:45] I don't know, we had really lovely weather this side too. So thanks for tuning in
man. And, um, thanks. Uh, I keep saying that, but, um, yeah, man. So, so yeah. Uh, so thanks
for listening and, um, I will repeat all the other platforms where you can get hold of me at
the end of the episode. So thank you.

[00:05:05] So I'm busy recording. Um, if you can hear me clearly, then we'll just jump into it,
man. So. Firstly, my brother, thanks a lot for being, um, for taking, um, you know, for
agreeing to, um, talk on my show on my, on my podcast. Um, I'll start off with like, um, I was
telling, um, I was saying the, um, in my, in my intro, um, while I was like, um, you know, I'm
telling my listeners in your intro.

[00:05:32] So you say that you are a, um, you are, I knew you through the book week circles,
right? So I know in the, in those circles, like we all win multiple caps all the time. Right. But I
know that you are a published author. You do a bit of journalism or you work as a journalist.
I know you studied journalism. Um, and what else is there?

[00:05:52] Yeah. And I know you, I don't know if you were to ran a publishing company or
you've been part of it, but can you tell my listeners a little bit about that, man? So, you
know, what and where did the writing bug start, you know, that got you into writing and
yeah. And then we'll just take it from there.

[00:06:08] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:06:08] They call it Klaarwater, it's an Afrikaans
word. And, uh, it is a situated in in the outer west of Durban. Yes. Uh, I started my, uh,
literally work at, uh, 1995, 1996. When, uh, I work with a lady called Felicity Kit, a publisher.
Uh, and the, the, the relationship that good relationship that I had with her resulted in me
know publishing my first novel called Gone to Earth for a better life. You see in this country,
we find that we've got a lot of troubles because, uh, these young men, when they are faced
with. Uh, tough. You know, when they are faced with queer life, they, they, they see crime
as esapism from their troubled life. So the book was about to dissuade them to say that is
not the way that you can do better. Then that was followed by another novel called Potato
Dance.

[00:07:24] And then I had the want to call it a nation, reading, a nation building, reading
initiative. Which was a set of booklets that were aimed at encouraging young people,
encouraging young people to be patriotic, you know, in South Africa, if you, if, if a young
person is patriotic, that that person can not do crime, that person can not harm others.
Because being patriotic is about loving your country, loving your citizen, loving everyone,
regardless of, race. So

[00:07:59] Wesley Pepper: [00:07:59] that's, uh, that's actually quite an interesting part that
you, that you start. And we're going to explore that a bit later. What, uh, what a racial
harmony project. But, um, I have two questions about your, about your books there.

[00:08:12] The second one you said was Water Dance correct?

[00:08:14] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:08:14] It was Potato Dance

[00:08:17] Wesley Pepper: [00:08:17] Oh, okay. Potato Dance. But they did that's so, so, so,
so, so, so, so tell us a little bit, um, tell us a little bit more about them and so about the first
one that the Gone to Eart. Um, what year was it published? Um, you sort of said like what
the, what the, what the story was about, but yeah, man. So are the books still available and
um, yeah. Why did it just end off at two novels? Is there plans for more.

[00:08:43] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:08:43] Uh, actually, uh, the, these books, Gone
to Earth and Potato Dance are, uh, available under umSinsi Press. My publisher is umSinsi
Press or Felicity Kitt. Uh who's who's my mentor. Who's my mentor. The lady that molded
me to become the person that I am.

[00:09:06] Yeah. Like, I'm gonna say, like I said, nationally nation building, reading initiative,
it's comprise, it's comprised booklets, you know, that I use as a tool to push, uh, to push my,
uh, you know, nationbuilding initiative, which was a campaign that, uh, was aimed at. And
instilling love, instilling love for the country for, for young people from their adolescent life
to adulthood. With he goal of achieving the stable in a socially coherive nation.

[00:09:52] Wesley Pepper: [00:09:52] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it's interesting because now the
second time you bring it up. So, I mean like it's, and like, you know, going through, uh, you
know, your biography and so on. Like, I mean, I can see that nation building is definitely
core, I would say in your creative armory, so to speak, you know? So, um, let someone, let
someone take it up from, from there, but, um, firstly like you were, uh, you were saying that,
um, that the point that I think this is pretty interesting, uh, we, you say like if somebody is
patriotic, um, that they won't do crime and so on and so on, can you justify that a little bit
for me and my listeners. Or expand on it a bit more because I actually want to do good at it,
but critical, but like, I've, you know, I just for now, I just like you to, to, to, to, to, to reaffirm
your point.

[00:10:46] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:10:46] According to my understanding, uh,

patriotism is, is the love of the countries. Uh, you love the country, you love the flag. You
love the national Anthem. when he love the national anthem, the national anthem I see it as
a prayer of the country. So we say, God blessed Africa. And then we goon, uh, national
anthem is the crucial part for any sovereign state through it the country carries its
yesterdays.
[00:11:23] It carries is today's and it carries its tomorrow. It's communicate its needs and
goals is, and it's called upon people to have their growth in their personnel development,
along with the development of the initial. If we are youth, and you've got the dream of being
a doctor. Okay. Yeah, that dream of yours.

[00:11:51] If you align it with the dream of the nation on automatical, it is aligned because,
uh, we need, the nation need doctors who for, for, for, for the nation to be healthy. But
when I, as a youth and I say, um, now when I live a life of crime, that is my dream. I wanna.
Live by, you know, by grabbing and snatching or robbing people.

[00:12:21] So that dream of yours it's, , it's out of the, you know, the dream of the nation.
That's what I'm trying to say. So, if you aligned, when you are patriotic, you take your dream
as an individual. As, as individual and you link it, you align it to the nations so that your
private thing that you are doing or your public thing that you are doing, sort of contributes
to that betterness of the nation. That is what patriotism, uh, means according to me,

[00:12:58] Wesley Pepper: [00:12:58] yeah, good. That's good. That's actually quite, quite,
quite interesting. A really, really interesting perspective. Actually. I, I, yeah, I enjoy it. It's sort
of, it sort of leads to the, um, um, sort of flows into the, into the next one. So, um, um,
before we get into the project, like I can, I can see, like you worked on multiple, uh, projects
before, um, and you know.

[00:13:25] Um, I would say in different themes or different fields or genres is of, you know,
you work in multiple projects before, so like, um, yeah. Um, So I, I know as in, I can, I can, I
can sort of relate, um, on, on, on, um, on that regard. So I know that from speaking for
myself, I always do curate very carefully what I do and I don't just select anything.

[00:13:50] So, um, so. Leading up into this, um, the Racial Harmony Project. So yeah. Give us
like, I mean, give us, why, why do you think it's relevant now, and its timing? And, um, just
give us before I get to that, just give us like an overview and then we'll sort of just break it
down, um, individually after that.

[00:14:13] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:14:13] Okay. You know what I'll, I'll start, I'll
start with the latter. Okay. South Africa has the potential to be a prosperous country. Yeah.
Once it's realized is that the time spent on racial or tribal, uh, wars, you know, are a waste,
you know, if we can realize that we can do a lot as a country, and right now we are faced
with the.

[00:14:49] Uh, with the pain of coronavirus, you know, they, they, they, they, they, what it
has done to our economy, you know, it's, it's, it's coronavirus. Um, it is corruption and it is
the, the, the, the economic injustices of the past. So for the country, like South Africa to
winch itself out of the dark pit, we need to be mature.

[00:15:17] We need to be very, very mature. So the time of, uh, racial Wars and whatever, or
tribal wars or spending our time, talking about our differences and the saying, uh, it is me or
it is them it's them and us that time is gonna, you know, it's gonna make things very worse.
Yeah. So we need to be, uh, we need, uh, to, to put that aside, the time does not allow us
and, and, and, and the time and the time that we are in the economy, economic wise, it does
not allow us to spend our time, you know, Uh, looking at each other's, uh, fault or drawing
insults or cursing or whatever it needs us to put that aside and think about moving this
country forward.

[00:16:19] You see the problem is that once we, once we begin. To see each other as human
before any, before everything else. That should be the starting point. That will be the
starting point because once you know, the, the, these, these racial Wars or whatever, they
do a lot of harm, I mean, this, this talk of war then talks of racial and testing and.

[00:16:49] Saying this is a bad person we are saying to them, you know, those kinds of talk,
they don't assist us as a nation going forward. You see, they don't assist us as, as a nation
going forward, uh, because. Uh, what it does to, to, to, to, to potential investors? It says
there is no stability in South Africa. It stays there.

[00:17:19] This are still not ready for, for investment. It Says a lot. in order for prosperity to
be there. Then there must be an environment. You know, the environment must, must be
conducive. For that it's means that everything that I see, I must be responsible. I must be,
uh, uh, everything that comes out of my mouth.

[00:17:49] This is the time these are the hard times. So I've decided, okay, let me start by, by
acknowledging. That in South Africa, there are a lot of publications that are aimed at specific
groups or particular race groups, but that, this is a good thing though, as our constitution
advocate for, for every, uh, every community to have, it's one freedom of speech, freedom
of belonging, freedom of association. You see?

[00:18:26] Wesley Pepper: [00:18:26] Yeah.

[00:18:27] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:18:27] So. The project, uh, I've termed it, uh,
Africa Needs Us All. Uh it's it's, it's gonna kick off as an online, uh, online publication but it is
a campaign. um, it will start as an online publication, uh, To bring to, to, to, to include, to
have called races, to have all tribes. We have all the religious, uh, in one, in one, in one, one
platform. Uh, this is, will be to assisting not only the gap, uh, and the exchange, you know,
uh, ideas, you know?

[00:19:17] Wesley Pepper: [00:19:17] Yeah.

[00:19:18] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:19:18] Yeah. Actually, the online publication will
be, will be like they, the various community, uh, will communities will be given a platform
from where they can share the, uh, you know, they can engage each other. Uh, in a dignified
way and moving forward. Yes. Uh, it's a project that shall begin in South Africa and is aimed
at instilling culture of unity and diversity to encourage racial tribal, and religious harmony
amongst human with the globe, with the goal of creating a stable and socially cohesive
world.

[00:20:00] Uh, So only the positive and developmental stories shall be published. Uh,
scandals, this is not going to be something for the, for the scandal. We only deal with
positivity, uh, attacks on races or calling out races or whatever, uh, that will not be allowed.
Yeah, we can do better than that.
[00:20:32] We need to, you know, when you, when you, when you call and go and engage
constructively, Uh, you don't have to, uh, you don't have to name it or call out another race.
You can do it. You don't even call it. Just like for instant when I say there's a different, when I
say, uh, Uh, Wesley's a bad guy. He goes out and drinks, you know, and, and, and abuse
woman.

[00:21:04] Okay. The end of the different, when I say between that, when I say, uh, was, uh,
we should not go drink and go around and abuse women. And so in that way I'm including
myself and I'm telling you indirectly, but I'm not calling you out. because this thing of calling
each other out. Sometimes people, they don't, they just rubbish you, whatever you say,
because you know of their tickets and stuff like that.

[00:21:34] Uh, the publication's mission, uh, is to encourage, uh, racial harmony in our
society, uh, to provide a setting for cross-pollination of ideas. Which normally contribute to
creativity and cosmopolitanism. Sure. To instill a sense of belonging and national attachment
to South Africans and to those within our borders to encourage ordinary people, to develop
their individual goals, without fear, while aligning their goals with debt of the nations.

[00:22:13] Just like what I said. When I, when I, when I, when I talk earlier now. And to
socialize people on values of unit in that you want to make, eh, Uh, non racialidm very
fashionable, wanted to make it fashionable. And when you are a racist, when you treat other
people bad, we want you to feel like an outcast, you know, but we want, uh, leave you
there. We will always give you a room for you to, to recover from racism. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[00:22:49] Wesley Pepper: [00:22:49] Um, sure, sure, sure, sure. That was the said quite a
bit that I made some points that I, that I think I, I, you know, I think we can talk about, um,
but just let me, um, that's what, it's thats pretty cool man, it actually, it actually reminds me
sort of like, um, What's that I'm like, Oh, no, not that, not the, not the Truth and
Reconciliation Commission, not a TRC commission, but like one of those type of commissions
where you inviting everybody also in this case, all, um, all South Africans to go to, to sort of,
um,what's the right word, um, I'm lost for words.

[00:23:28] Yeah. Um, where they, we, we all come together in this way, share your stories
and your art digitally and, um, um, uh, use that, that to, to, to sort of build, um, you know,
for, um, for nation building. That's the word I'm looking for. So I'm just, I'm just as, okay. This
is more of a comment and like, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna ask you a question here cause
early on you were saying about these racial Wars, um, are you talking about, uh, or you're
referencing to the things that happening in Senekal?

[00:24:03] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:24:03] Um, I can not be, I don't want to pick a
particular event. Yes, but there have been so many, many, many, many, many events, you
know, that no one would look at them and you, you get hurt at end of the day. And then
when, when, when, when they look at the social media, you browse on your pages, the
insults, you know, the insults that are there. The curses Eh, there's despicable, you know,
language, people saying nasty things against each other. And then you ask yourself, where
did we go wrong as South African? Where did we go wrong? Because you know, we're like
an exemplary to the world.
[00:24:52] You know, we had overcome so much as a country. and then you ask yourself
now, now what is happening, but what really is happening now? You know, crime in this
country, uh, affects everyone. We must accept. We must accept crime as a national
problem, tell you what, because when the sprinboks or Bafana Bafana win or do something
that makes us happy or excited. We go around and celebrate and we do it as a nation. We
celebrate as an nation and what we cannot divorce ourselves from being a nation when the
nation is going thtrough pain. We need to face the pain together, all of us. I believe that if
we can come together and the, uh, deal with, uh, issues that are of national interest and go
there and be honest to each other and think we can go a long way.

[00:26:11] Wesley Pepper: [00:26:11] Sure. Sure. I get you. I feel you. I feel that I really,
really, really do, man. I'm just like two closing questions on, on, on, on, on, on what you
were saying. Um, just explain further when you say it's a campaign now. So what exactly
does the, you know, is included in the campaign and how, I guess, because we could be,
could you saying a lot about like nation building so I would assume there should be a lot of
interaction between people. So just explain that one.

[00:26:43] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:26:43] Okay. I just said to you that the
publication will be like a platform, you know, in South Africa, we've got a lot of good people,
enough to look at us of people for races, from all the community. Okay. Let me start by
saying that there is no nation that is evil and there is no nation that is innocent.

[00:27:07] Each and every nation or each and every race has its fair share of bad people and
good people. Okay. The thing is that, the bad people, uh, they cause a lot of damage and
they make the loudest noise because, uh, whenever there is crime, you know, the, the, the,
the, the bad, the bad headlines. They are the one that hogs our front page of the
newspapers and our posters.

[00:27:41] So they give their given attention. So in this, uh, Africa, all publications, we are,
we'll be doing the opposite. We'll, we'll give headlines to the good things that are, that are
done by, uh, by, by, by, by people. We will look at the positive side of humanity. And we will,
we are appealing to people to return back to their humanity.

[00:28:11] to return back to being human, and that is the beginning of everything. Before I
pick before I'm a, before I become a, an African of a black of African decent, first of all, I am a
human being. So we've got the common, common dominant factor. There we are. All
humans. So by starting it as an online publication, as, as you ask about the campaign.

[00:28:38] So that online publication is not going to be a massage as a way of doing things.
So I'll be opening up to this various people to have their complete contribution to plan, uh,
programs. There'll be programs around African, we'll have problems. Like I liked the, eh, the
one you emailed about and said we need a CODESA , but I didn't put the two assets to the
other guy. We need the racial summit. We need, we need to sit to have a conference, a
summit so that we can engage each other. I don't think that that has been done in South
Africa, but we need that. we really need that.

[00:29:35] Wesley Pepper: [00:29:35] Yeah

[00:29:36] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:29:36] the publication will be like a start. The
publication will be like a start . it will be like giving a platform from, or from, from ideas, from
people from different backgrounds, and from those ideas we will make informed decision
on programs to take us forward. Uh, in, in, in, in this, in this whole thing of, of, of eventually
making non racialism fashionable

[00:30:14] Wesley Pepper: [00:30:14] no, no, I feel you. I feel you. I feel you on that. And,
uh, it explains itself out and I I'm, I get it. I get it. I get it. Yes. Like we really, we really, really
do do that. Um, just to sort of, sort of set up a point that you're making about like, These,
um, because, because you could you say said about the, about the, about the racial
insecurity, the economic insecurity, all brought forth now from, from covid, but like, you
know, honestly, as a, as a, sort of, as a first, as an artist, then as a South African and just as a
human being, like, I think like these things are so needed because, because there's just some
vibe.

[00:30:51] This Energy. That is, that is just, it's just terrible, man. You know, I see it in these
kids. That's not going to school or going to school or whatever, you know, I, I always think of
like their parents, like what, like what that was like when that is so layered and so
complicated. So like me personally, like I salute anybody that does anything to make it
better.

[00:31:13] And I like, you know, like I want to talk about it and so on. So salute my brother,
this is absolutely fantastic, man. Sort of like, um, in,aum, in sort of in closing men, can you
tell me, so it's an online campaign? Um, I mean, I'm sorry, publication. So when will it go live
and yeah. Tell us, give us dates and that type of thing.

[00:31:38] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:31:38] Uh, definitely, uh, November the
publication will be in public, uh, that, yeah, we'll be, we'll be, we'll be inviting people. We'll
be inviting people to, to, to come in and have their ideas and share ideas and so its going to
be for every South African. Only somebody that want to engage constructively, but I don't
want, we don't want you to come and talk hate, hate, hate, hatred is a bad energy . We
don't need that. We need to move forward as a country.

[00:32:37] Wesley Pepper: [00:32:37] I feel you, I feel you on that. Um, how many, uh,
participants do you have taking part so far? How many people has decided to take part?

[00:32:50] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:32:50] Okay. Uh, what I can say is that we, for
the very first time in South Africa, you will have a publication that will have all different
races, all different in all being one, having one platform and, and should be beautiful. And I
can, I can tell you that we have gone through a lot, you know, in terms of crime and
apartheid and whatever, but I can tell you that South Africa, the beautiful people, this is a
nation. This is a nation that can overcome everything you

[00:33:32] Wesley Pepper: [00:33:32] and we have to, man. Um, so last question, my
brother, um, I guess you've kind of answered this already, you know? Um, so, but I still have
it writtend down here, so it's just like moving forward, man. So. Um, it's where we're sitting
now. It's the end of October, 28th of October now, um, you as a creative, as a functional,
you know, as a, as a writer, are you still quite busy and, um, moving forward, man. um, let's
just, let's just answer that.

[00:34:11] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:34:11] Yeah. You know, once a writer, always a
writer.

[00:34:15] Wesley Pepper: [00:34:15] So you work on anything that you're working on,
anything, um, or you, are you working on, anything specific other than, uh, yeah. Anything
right now worth mentioning

[00:34:31] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:34:31] There's a book that I'm gonna release.
Uh, I think, uh, I'm gonna release, internationally, next year, early next year. I'm gonna, I'm
not going to say anything about

[00:34:53] Wesley Pepper: [00:34:53] I get it now, man. I, um, so I thanks alot my brother,
man, um, just leave us with one last thing. So, um, like social media, um, website addresses
and so on, we can, once the publication goes live, Uh, you know, give us the, uh, the domain.
Um, and you know, as soon as we have publish all of that on the podcast as well, so where
can people get hold of you first

[00:35:24] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:35:24] at this point in time, you know, you
know, in South Africa, you have to be very careful when we do deals. At this point in time,
we are waiting for the green light from our lawyers that everything will be, we will tell you
everything. As soon as... You'll be the first one to know.

[00:35:46] Wesley Pepper: [00:35:46] Okay. Thanks my brother. Thanks a lot, man. So, uh,
thanks for taking part for, for, for chatting to me on, on my podcast. And I'm really looking
forward to the publication. Um, this episode should go live,

[00:35:58] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:35:58] let me say, let, let me say, uh, I thank you
alot for giving me this opportunity and I like to thank the listener and, uh, Uh, my appel to,
to everyone made us give peace, love, peace, and happiness, a chance

[00:36:17] Wesley Pepper: [00:36:17] I'm with you there. 100% my brother and that's
actually quite a cool way of ending up everything. Thanks a lot. My brother we'll be in touch
through email and WhatsApp and so on, but thanks a lot, man.

[00:36:29] Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo: [00:36:29] Okay, thanks. Bye. Cheers

[00:36:32] Wesley Pepper: [00:36:32] hey howzit everybody.? Um, I hope you guys enjoyed
that talk with Msawenkhosi Bonga Zondo very, very inspirational. Very, very cool. Like, um,
and so much needed, man. Um, like, yeah man, it was, I really enjoyed that and, and
definitely looking forward to, um, to, um, for the, for the project, um, or rather for the
publication to go live. Um, as soon as it does, I'll definitely share that on all my socials as
well. So you just get differently follow it there.

[00:37:03] And, um, yeah, mean, don't forget to keep sending your, um, feedback,
comments and so on much needed and, um, definitely much, uh, much appreciated, you
know, um, and don't forget to catch us on, um, iHeart radio, man, like the dopest, uh, Uh,
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podcast, uh, iTunes, Spotify, and of course, Wesley pepper.com and catch us all on there.

[00:37:36] And don't forget to leave us a comment. Um, and just moving forward to, um, like
I said, in the intro, um, I'll just give you a sort of a heads up on what direction I'm going to
sort of take the next few weeks. So, um, I still want to cover a few more heavy topics, you
know, especially this damn thing that I'm going through now with this damn landlord.

[00:37:56] Um, and just to give artists a more, um, yeah, shit. I, well, that's not confirmed
yet, but so definitely tstill gonna talk to some really cool artists and projects for, uh, and
projects for, um, November. But leading into December, I kind of want to switch an off
button, like I sure as fuck need it hey a and um, so I'm trying to keep it with more light.

[00:38:20] I'm just gonna try to talk to 'em as, I guess, as people who are close to me, you
know, um, about, um, basically just how they. Um, survived. Um, 2020. I know there's still a
month, uh, and a few weeks left, so it's far from over. So we'll see. Maybe add a, um, but
yeah man, thanks a lot for tuning in. Okay. Uh, much appreciated and tune in