Cody - Good morning, Cody speaking.

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Cody – ------Some text missing -----this time is ok ------Some text missing -----

Pallavi - ------Some text missing -----Order on the line as well. So that the interview can be
recorded. Are you okay with that? .

Cody - I'm okay with that. I mean I've been sentenced I think about 10 questions. So I'm happy
to answer all of those questions and if there's anything else obviously I will try and help you with
that as well or if there's anything I'm not comfortable with I'll let you know.

Pallavi – I appreciate that Thank you very much. So to start with what is your vision for Dolly
flying start?

Cody - So for the program is to be the source of future Thoroughbred industry leaders. and so
that's been the vision come from the very start it's obviously a very big Vision because It's
difficult to produce to recruit and to produce leaders and it's difficult to lead an industry. So it's a
vision that will probably never be 40 fulfills .

Pallavi ------Some text missing -----But one that we as far too. derstand that I and I believe that
the job you're doing has set benchmarks and settings and rolling which will help create many
more leaders than they were perhaps before. ,

Cody - you know, that's the aim, so hopefully you're not and you know, that's it. It's a h mus
vision for the Thoroughbred industry as well that you know that it would be strengthened and it
could adapt and be successful in the future. So, you know, he is my derstanding is that his belief
is the way to way to do that is through the people. So if the people are leaders and have a strong
Vision, then the doubt they'll be able to you know be the stewards of the industry into the future.
So that's one part of vision and suppose Operational part of our vision is to to be able to attract
the highest caliber talent to the program. So, you know, if we have High Caliber col ns, then we
have a much better chance of success it to produce service industry leaders and to attract the
highest caliber col ns to the to the program.

Pallavi - This Vision what could be your into a sort of achievable goals for a period of time. So
sort of goals for the next 10 years or your what you'd like to see achieved at the end of say 20 30

Cody - and , I suppose, you know, we do have a key performance indicators and things like that.
more of our graduate board members and Care people of Industry organization so that we have
something to contribute to the industry and also have some to lead the industry. So, you know,
not just having individual success, but also having you know being on board being on
committees and say for example, you know the British Horse Racing authority or the horse
racing iron. Any of these, you know a national Breeders Association or a national trainers
Association. So for example For doing this as well. So not just leaving their own commercial
organizations comm ity and strong. And I think this this year proves that we definitely need that
we need Stratton strategic thinking we need Innovation. We need leadership capabilities to to
take people through tough times. To train a horse. It's a completely different story to teach
somebody leadership. , so you set out a very challenging objective for yourself.

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Cody - Yes. Yes. ------Some text missing -----That's a very all-encompassing program. Yes. . So
back to score Main module one is Business and Entrepreneurship. I noticed and I'm going to go
up off of the questions just quickly sub-module in your syllabus was Innovation. . solution to
new solutions to problems that exist so all the time in M ich Do have we do a lot aro d
technology as well? So , we would visit it off of Technology entrepreneurs and have that r ning
team of using technology in to to change things for the better, you know, whether it's
streamlining something making something more cost effective more efficient safer better for the
health of the animals.

Pallavi - So I think the quite a bit of the movement at moment aro d technology It is I spoke to
some exotic technology for me is always being get gadgets and Bob's bits and Bobs and I spoke
to somebody after sort of Midway through the racing season at maidan last season and they
produce bulbs. It turned out that they were able to put because horses get Disturbed when you
fall then when you turn lights on and off they produce. Provide a heat map of how the animal is
doing. The bulbs are a different kind of bulb so they don't disturb is they only come on at night if
the template temperature if the horses r ning the trainer and the wet need to know that
something's going on and they don't and it's an auto a I operated program so it doesn't pick up. I
light believe is kind of light that the horses can't son. so apparently horses miss one part of that
spectr and they So it'll light up and and that photograph is sent that image is sent to the vet as
well as to the trainer to the trainer and then they can decide on the phone the next course of
action instead of having to r over. I mean they decide whether it's important enough for them to
come over and disturb the horse or whether it's healable treatable right interesting interesting. in
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two years. So what's the most significant change you have either seen or you've brought about
eating within the organization?

Cody - I think it's a couple of probably two or three big changes. And we didn't have the
accreditation from an outside body with you know with its own benchmarks and that sort of
thing and we were just we were doing the course we felt was the right course for the industry.
However, since the and I'm going to say to you by iversity College Dublin business school, and I
was very keen to get that because I think it means trainees lot to the to have a fourth level
qualification. So it's a higher qualification done a degree. It's a graduate certificate in
management. And so I think it's very important to yo g people and People on the career ladder
these days to have higher level qualification. So that was one important piece of it. But for me
the most important piece was that oversized that's academic oversight ensuring that we had very
high standards and it wasn't just us saying we're doing a great job, you know, we're giving a great
education and I felt it was important to have that academic oversight and they've been very that
has given us more structure. It has definitely given A higher quality of and of education and it
has given that accreditation to the trainees. So when they're leaving flying start, it's not just a
certificate to say you've done two years in the curved industry of X y&z. It's also the leading
iversity in Ireland saying you've achieved this standard. So I think that's very important. for
myself and I suppose Coaching and and so I think my son needed to change and has changed
quite a bit in how I manage the program and in order to meet the needs of those with the current
generation another changes. , I supposed to co try that. I see the most development in in the five
co tries that the trainee go to in the in the last 15 years the southern hemisphere. Australia has
really come into I feel it's become a more a bigger player in the global turbine industry and you
know were in 2003 when when trainees were going to Australia. They wouldn't have had a su of
an Australian pedigree or any of the major players. Global trade and erasing going on. So, you
know that the trainers and the pedigrees in Australia are as well as in the northern hemisphere.
Sales, their sales have grown their horses have evolved their able to compete at a global level and
I guess for that they've had to change their own style and they also have to to become much more
a global player. ,

Pallavi - absolutely. That's just good, you know to be expected. . . You know ------Some text
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Cody - ------Some text missing -----I really admire so and you know the leadership and integrity
holding themselves acco table and to you know, they say they're going to do something they do it
the ones that contribute to the enhancement of the global turbine industry like that. ones who are
prepared to, you know, write an article for a magazine and I put their opinion out there or be part
of the committee give give you some of their time to something out. You know could be a
cherished Initiative for the welfare forces or it could be like a comm ity does I said for Breeders
Association or or whatever it might be, you know, the ones that show a real commitment to the
horse itself to the turbine horse itself and you know, you know, whatever business that they're in
the horse is at dilation the center of and this is the advancement I suppose of the care about her
divorce. And the ones that really keep learning and are very open------Some text missing -----

Pallavi - Absolutely. Do they walk Yes. they do the walk? ------Some text missing -----

Cody - Yes. Exactly exactly. So there's the values that I really enjoyed to see playing out in their
day-to-day lives.

Pallavi – ------Some text missing -----Tell your favourite horses

Cody - ------Some text missing -----Road and brought to the races and the kind of looked after
for that trainer was a horse called better loosen up , and he won the Japan cup won and he he was
j ping ready for from Australia. So I was lucky enough to be his groom and his rider for a year.
So that was a long time ago. I think that's a big And then more recently. fan of racing in our
woman. Beautiful looking to my j ping horse. And do you want to tell him? Ridden a horse in
Australia to going to Cheltenham to see Markiplier winning and then because I'm having to fill
his head sticking out of the door every morning. There's some of my favorite horses. the one I
get to attend every year will be there or be saying here in you know, so I All the stories behind
some of the horses that are bred. It's just f the sales industry. Who has attended every sale in
Australia and he noted the mayor's and what they sold for the Phillies and what they've told for
and carried to tracking their eventually tracking their winners. So he's got this. Yes.
Pallavi - ------Some text missing -----what's your favorite book? What are your favorite industry
books?

Cody - business Yes. No, I'd love to pick it up. Just I'm not I've watched rugby don't derstand it
enough, but I love reading Sports books in general. So yes, would you like you like this? It's
about leadership.

Pallavi - And what took you from I guess you started off saying that you you would have work
writer and a groom at some point of time. So, how did how does this all connect through to
education at the highest levels?

Cody - Yes, and there's there's an organization of Education. For everybody from yo g kids who
leave school at 16 who wants to ride horses and work as grooves and writers to anybody who
wants a license to train or be a jockey in Ireland has to have to go to the regional economy and
do courses Etc. And and I was always kind of interested in that place and knew that it's a
charitable trust and I knew that the trustees behind I just ended up doing some part-time work
there and delivering some classes myself on to my degree. My my iversity degree is I can go to a
science. So it's just a good General Science Backgro d. So I ended up doing some like giving
some nice laughter. So soft and Physiology and that sort of thing. Job just came up there and I
just fix it, you know, I ended up taking the job and it wasn't very strategic really. It was just it
just kind of evolved and I ended up and working there for 10 years and I was the manager there.
So I suppose, you know, then that the job would flying start came up and I just progress on into
that so, you know in the beginning is kind of just happened organically, I suppose and then I I
gradually him developed a skill, you know, the expertise in education I doesn't done I still use
now.

Pallavi - You took something that probably at that time was known. It was an known whether j
ping from a known organization to something completely known.

Cody - Yes. We have to make those decisions in life and it seemed like the right one at the time
and it had worked out. You know, I would have been able to do something else. So suppose you
need a bit of confidence to know that as well the last question. Oh, . . , that's a good question.
And I I think I supposed to the really big one for me was from Dubai Millenni one iconic and
you know, I think that that's an they call me cord, you know tragically last him after such a short
time, but then he produced about you know what I think. Back in the day, you know
International, I can't remember how many million it was working the beginning but was much
more than any other race in the world anyway, so , I think I think he's winning. This was
amazing, you know was very emotional and it's very fitting I suppose given contribution to the
to the industry all over the world and So I think , that was great. And I do think that being
completely different. So that was me. . sent out for ------Some text missing -----

Pallavi - Thank you very much. I really appreciate it talking to you. Would it be all right for me
to put this article together and send it back for your approval in a ------Some text missing -----

Cody - Oh, yes for the last 4 years. ------Some text missing -----
Pallavi - Are you in the program that they have la ched very recently. They've la ched an
educational program for the Australian industry are you know? Know what what's the name of
the program? Is it the cfri turbines for racing to nationalism? Article itself that I've got I wasn't
able

Cody ------Some text missing -----okay.

Pallavi - I didn't bring up the question because I do. Let me let me just send this to you
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Cody - is it's not curved industry careers, isn't she I see no,

Pallavi - it's not curious It's not careers. It's a this is la ched as a result of the the shortage of
people that you are seeing a due to the covid and people travel and they were never able to come
back and so they realize that their own industry was have falling short. And decided to do
something ------Some text missing -----

Cody - Okay, and you send it to me, but as far as I mean, I am not sends me ------Some text
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